The Future of Immigration Is Privatization
New immigration pathways are letting private citizens welcome refugees and other migrants—and getting the government out of the way.

The two African refugees arrived in Oneonta, New York—a quaint, upstate college town of just over 12,000 people—in summer 2023. By then a group of volunteers had been preparing for them for "six, seven, eight years."
Mark Wolff, communication chair of The Otsego Refugee Resettlement Coalition (ORRC), says his group had to put its hopes of helping refugees on hold during the Trump administration, which cut the refugee cap to its lowest level ever. Even after Joe Biden's inauguration, with promises of a more humane immigration policy on the horizon, things didn't look good for their plans: Oneonta was more than an hour away from the requisite refugee caseworkers in Utica. During the bitter upstate New York winters, help would be even slower to arrive.
The ORRC had already begun to raise money and identify community partners. It had done its homework and it had momentum. So when the Biden administration announced the Welcome Corps—an initiative that would let private citizens take the lead on sponsoring and supporting refugees, rather than the longstanding government-led approach—the coalition knew it had found its way to welcome newcomers. "We were one of the first [private sponsor groups] in the United States to get approval," Wolff says.
A handful of people make up the sponsor group's core steering committee, which meets weekly. But around 100 volunteers support the refugees in a broader capacity, with everyone from the mayor to the local Rotary Club getting involved. When some townspeople expressed concerns about the newcomers—particularly as New York City dealt with an influx of asylum seekers and bused many of them upstate—the Republican-dominated Otsego County Board of Representatives let Wolff give a presentation to dispel myths about refugees and describe the sponsorship effort.
"We seem to have a lot of support that crosses political divides," Wolff observes. "A lot of people often take a stance for or against immigration as a concept, but once you meet refugees, it's kind of hard not to like them. They've been through so much, and just to see them and to relate to them as people I think really does a lot to get people to come together."
The Welcome Corps is one of several private sponsorship schemes to be rolled out in the last three years. From the Sponsor Circle Program for Afghans to Uniting for Ukraine to a program specifically for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans (CHNV), Americans who are moved by scenes of suffering around the world can put those feelings into action.
Wolff's sentiment speaks to the promise of these young private sponsorship schemes: getting more Americans directly involved in the welcoming process, getting newcomers to the point of self-sufficiency more quickly, and improving outcomes for immigrant and native communities alike. At a time when Americans are increasingly concerned about migration into the country, these community-driven approaches could be key to rebuilding trust in both immigrants and immigration.
'Looking Back in the Past'
The U.S. has a long history of using private sponsorship to welcome newcomers. "It actually predates the traditional resettlement system," says Kit Taintor, former vice president of policy and practice at Welcome.US, a nonprofit that helps inform Americans interested in sponsoring refugees. "It was really only after the passage of the Refugee Act in 1980 that it became sort of the model that we know as traditional resettlement"—that is, conducted through refugee resettlement agencies with coordination and funding from the federal government.
Voluntary organizations "sponsored and funded the resettlement of displaced family members overseas" throughout the early 20th century, wrote David J. Bier and Matthew La Corte in a 2016 Niskanen Center paper. "Religious and ethnic groups provided resources and sponsors to refugees without families in the United States," and after World War II "these private associations and societies were the primary sponsors for refugees, funding almost all refugee resettlement to the United States with private money."
Even after the Refugee Act created the government-led refugee resettlement system, the Reagan administration launched an initiative that let private organizations finance refugee arrivals that fell outside of the normal quotas. The organizations provided "food, housing, medical insurance, and cash insurance," explained Bier and La Corte. From 1987 to 1995, the program resettled over 16,000 refugees, the vast majority of whom were Cubans or Soviet Jews. The Clinton administration didn't renew the initiative, citing financial challenges for sponsoring organizations. (A complex application process for those organizations didn't help matters.)
"In some ways," says Taintor, the Welcome Corps grew from "looking back in the past to find things that worked well and applying them to the current situation."
The traditional refugee program wasn't ready for two major international crises that displaced millions recently—the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan in August 2021 and Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. As of late 2021, with the refugee system still reeling from the Trump administration (and already dysfunctional and backlogged long before then), refugees could expect a resettlement wait time of anywhere from two to 10 years. Unsurprisingly, in the first month after the Russian invasion, just 12 Ukrainians came to the U.S. through the traditional program. On top of that, the vast majority of Afghans and Ukrainians didn't qualify as refugees under the U.S. government's definition of the word.
The Biden administration launched a private sponsorship program for evacuated Afghans in October 2021, in hopes of "complementing the work of the State Department's non-profit resettlement agency partners." In April 2022 it announced another capacity-building program, called Uniting for Ukraine, which provides two-year residency and employment authorization to Ukrainians who are sponsored by groups of private citizens. While the Afghan program has been small—as of April 2022, just 415 Afghans were being sponsored by citizen groups—Uniting for Ukraine has seen Americans sponsoring more than 117,000 Ukrainians as of February 2023.
One of those sponsors is Ilya Somin, a law professor at George Mason University—and contributor to The Volokh Conspiracy, a group blog hosted by Reason—who writes regularly about migration. From the time he submitted the necessary sponsorship forms in November 2022, it took just nine days for the U.S. government to authorize the Hasanovs, a Ukrainian family of three, for admission to the country. They arrived five weeks later, a stark contrast to the years refugees currently wait under the traditional resettlement system. The Hasanovs now live in Jacksonville, Florida, and the Somins have already sponsored another family, who arrived in the U.S. in late October.
These programs helped lay the foundation for the Welcome Corps, which launched in January 2023. Groups of five U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents may qualify to be sponsors if they commit to financial requirements and support expectations. "What we're doing here is we're just streamlining the ability for all of these folks, whether they are in Denver, Colorado, or whether they are in Lansing, Michigan, to allow them to participate more directly in the welcoming of newcomers," says Taintor.
Private sponsors are now active in around 10,000 zip codes. Under the traditional model, by contrast, refugees must be placed where there are refugee resettlement agencies, limiting them to 340 communities. Groups like Oneonta's ORRC benefit from the lack of location requirements—and so do the refugees. Those smaller towns often have lower housing costs and tighter community bonds than the urban centers that traditional resettlement efforts tend to favor.
The federal government has also begun to embrace private sponsorship as a partial solution to pressures at the U.S.-Mexico border. As of January, Americans can sponsor Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans, an effort intended both to help people who want to flee turmoil in those ailing countries and steer them away from illegal migration pathways. In its first six months, the program welcomed nearly 160,000 migrants.
Though private sponsorship isn't a new concept, it's being applied to new challenges—and by many counts, it's been wildly successful.
'A Hugely Transformative Experience'
There are a number of factors that predict how well and how quickly a refugee will integrate into a new community—speaking English, for instance. "One of the things that really drives integration is friendships with members of the receiving community," Taintor notes. "What research has shown over time is that if a newcomer really develops a relationship with somebody who is from the community they're resettling in, their integration is accelerated in the same way that their integration will be accelerated through knowing English."
In this way, private sponsorship models have a distinct advantage over government-led resettlement. Refugees arrive with a built-in network. Privately sponsored refugees in Canada, which has the longest-standing private sponsorship program in the world, "generally adapt more quickly to Canada than those who arrive through the government-assisted pathway," according to the Migration Policy Institute.
Sponsorship isn't just "a hugely transformative experience" for refugees, says Taintor. It "allows sponsors to really get to know the family that they are welcoming and put their skill sets…to work to help that newcomer find success here in the United States." She points out that Americans have "innate wisdom"—knowledge about good school districts, how to use libraries, where to find health care—that refugee resettlement agencies simply might not have. The smaller-scale process means that existing networks and local knowledge matter a lot.
Oneonta's two privately sponsored refugees—one from Burundi, one from the Democratic Republic of the Congo—might find people from their home countries if the government settled them somewhere like New York City. But they'd miss out on the personal connections they've been able to build with Oneonta locals, the kinds of connections Taintor says are predictors of successful integration. "We're small enough that we can invite them over to our house, they get to meet the mayor, they get to meet other community leaders," says Wolff. "I think we sort of offer a kind of hospitality that a larger city might not be able to offer as well."
Because sponsors are financially responsible for refugees, they have a strong incentive to get refugees working and self-sufficient. The Niskanen Center has found that 70 percent of privately sponsored refugees in Canada secured a job within a year of arrival, compared to just 40 percent of government-sponsored refugees. Private sponsorship could thus infuse new life into the U.S. economy at a critical time, given ongoing labor shortages and economic pain.
One of the biggest selling points for private sponsorship is one of its most intuitive results: When people have an opportunity to immigrate to the U.S. legally, they're far less likely to immigrate here illegally. According to a 2023 paper Bier wrote for the Cato Institute, the CHNV program, combined with an app-based admission process at the border, has transformed migration from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela "from mostly illegal to mostly legal in less than a year." This reduces the government's enforcement burden and creates a more orderly border. The latter directly addresses many Americans' concerns about immigration.
Despite all this promise, some aspects of the private sponsorship schemes could threaten their success. And some critics want the programs gone.
'Permanent Homes'
Congress hasn't passed broad immigration reform in decades, which means that a huge amount of decision making on the issue rests in the president's hands. That's a problem for programs like Uniting for Ukraine, which Biden authorized. "The executive aspect," Somin says, makes it "by nature temporary and potentially revocable by a future executive." House Republicans have already passed one border bill that would effectively shut down the programs for Afghans and Ukrainians, were it to become law.
The CHNV program faces a much more immediate challenge: a lawsuit brought against it by Texas and 19 other GOP-led states. They claim it lacks congressional authorization. Somin, conversely, argued in an amicus brief that immigration law authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to grant temporary "parole" entry to migrants "for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit," both of which apply to CHNV nationals. "Officials from the very states challenging the program have themselves repeatedly talked about how horrible the communist governments of Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua are," Somin says. "They should listen to what they themselves have said and drop the lawsuit."
Even if the sponsorship programs survive, their beneficiaries could face serious obstacles.
The CHNV, Afghan, and Ukrainian programs let migrants live and work in the U.S. for two years. Once those two years are up, they have to rely on stopgap status extensions, still unsure of their ability to build permanent lives in the United States. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas has said that "the vast majority" of Ukrainians will want to go home eventually. But "many of them will want and need permanent homes," says Somin. "Most post–World War II refugees who came to the U.S., for instance, never ended up going back, because their original homes were destroyed."
Congress has previously passed adjustment acts to give permanent status to large groups of people who fled authoritarianism and war, such as Cubans and Vietnamese refugees. "That's good for them, but it's also good for the U.S. economy," Somin argues. "People with permanent status can be more productive. They can make long-term plans for their work and education, for the upbringing of their kids." There are Ukrainian, Venezuelan, and Afghan adjustment acts before Congress, but none have gotten close to full passage.
The CHNV program has a unique problem: It's capped at 30,000 recipients per month, which led to a backlog of 1.7 million applicants not even a year into its existence. "That has actually mitigated the program's effectiveness in stemming problems at the border," says Somin. "If there's this massive backlog, people who need to flee are less likely to rely on the program if all they can do is get into a queue that they can't get out of for several years or longer."
Officials could learn from these flaws and combine the best of each private program to create more streamlined and effective pathways. Instead, private sponsorship may be evolving into yet another battleground in the unproductive war over immigration policy.
'We Need Them'
Secretary of State Antony Blinken has called the Welcome Corps "the boldest innovation in refugee resettlement in four decades."
There's truth to that. Private sponsorship schemes have ended a decadeslong government monopoly on welcoming refugees. They're providing quick relief to migrants who otherwise might have waited years to reach a safe haven in the U.S., or who would have never made it here at all. And they're bringing newcomers far beyond city centers, helping to revitalize economically depressed areas. They've proven that a smaller-government, community-driven approach to immigration can be good for both immigrants and native-born Americans. Proponents of private sponsorship often say that it's not meant to replace the government-led approach, but even so, it's an invaluable complement.
As international conflicts and humanitarian disasters displace millions of people worldwide, it's critical that countries give their citizens an opportunity to act on their goodwill and live out their values. Thousands of Americans have shown that, given that opportunity, they're more than willing to help. Reducing the financial burden on the government gets around one of the most common criticisms of welcoming refugees, and putting more Americans into direct contact with refugees fosters better relationships than the government-run system does.
For communities like Oneonta, welcoming newcomers is more than just a matter of immigration policy—it could be a matter of survival.
"We're losing population and there's a labor shortage here…Our community needs new people, and refugees are a great source to revitalize a community," Wolff says. "We need them."
There have been bumps in the road. The refugees were supposed to come with Social Security cards in hand when they arrived in July, but they didn't get them until late September. Many employers were hesitant to hire them until they got those. The local social services department wasn't quite sure how to help the newcomers, having never really seen refugees before.
Despite those struggles, Wolff is hopeful. "If we can find employment for them, if they become self-sufficient, then we will have figured out how to do it," he says. "And then we can bring more over and hopefully build a community within our community."
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"We're losing population and there's a labor shortage here…Our community needs new people, and refugees are a great source to revitalize a community," Wolff says. "We need them."
Now if only Government Almighty will get out of the way, and give them PERMISSION TO WORK!!!
Hey Government Almighty! Is productive work for willing, paying recipients of work-products some sort of EVIL thing, or twat? If it is EVIL, please tell us WHY shit is evil!!!
Refugees are eligible for immediate work authorization.
I love reason, but their immigration coverage is abysmal. Do you know how teensy this program is? It's a statistical blip within the landscape of immigration law.
Do you have a source for that? Because everything I've read or heard says it takes a minimum of months and a maximum of years to process their application and get government permission to work.
You've been given the links before dumdum.
Oh, you said refugees. Most immigrants are not refugees. Never mind.
It's Fiona. She always manages to conflate legal and illegal immigration as well as not knowing the difference between a refugee, a migrant, and other immigration. It's really abysmal for who is supposed to be Reason's immigration "expert".
Then issue the illegal sub-humans their "magic papers" and transform the bad into good, already! Dross into gold, via the "papers please" version of the long-sought-after "philosopher's stone"!!!
“Team R” absolutely LOVES the unwanted Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells… And vehemently HATES the illegal sub-humans!
When many-many-MANY “Team R” find themselves in a collapsing economy, starving, with bedsores and bitten by ants, in decrepit old age homes… For lack of labor… Then some “Team R” political Big-Wig will FINALLY discover a Government-Almighty SOLUTION! Issue Government-Almighty “Magic Papers” and turn the illegal sub-humans into legal humans, turning them from dross into gold! Better yet, turn them into HONORARY Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells, and THEN they will be LOVED and adored!!!
Guess nobody needed "papers" to hang out at the Capitol on J6 either, right?
Did they JUST "hang out", or did they threaten to kill cops, while breaking windows and terrorizing people?
READ the below and hang your tiny brainless, power-lusting shit-head in SHAME for always taking the side of Trumpanzees, power-luster-pig!
https://www.jpost.com/international/kill-him-with-his-own-gun-dc-cop-talks-about-the-riot-655709 also https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/28/michael-fanone-trump-gop-riots/
‘Kill him with his own gun’ – DC cop talks about Capitol riot
DC Police officer Michael Fanone: I had a choice to make: Use deadly force, which would likely result with the mob ending his life, or trying something else.
“Pro-law-and-order” Trumpturds take the side of trumpanzees going apeshit, making cops beg for their lives! For trying to defend democracy against mobocracy! Can you slime-wads sink ANY lower?!?!
"or did they threaten to kill cops"
Who did that, Shillsy? It turned out that the two cops who testified at the J6 hearing and in court that they were injured during the "riot", were shown on the Capitol video to be walking around fine and healthy hours after it ended. They're now under investigation.
"while breaking windows"
Say Shillsy, why have the men who were caught on video breaking the windows, never been charged even though they're identifiable?
While you're at it, why has the guy who placed the pipe bombs on J6 never been arrested even though he's caught by multiple cameras in high resolution with his face visible?
Or why was the team of men who dropped off the "gallows" to "hang Pence", the day before never been interviewed or even pursued?
Or why did the FBI and J6 committee refuse to prosecute the only guy caught on camera the whole day calling for insurrection and an attack on the Capitol, until their hands were forced?
Everything from Sicknick's death to poo smears turned out to be a lie, but you're too tribal and fascist to admit it.
OK, You Perfectly win AGAIN!!! It was ALL done by conspiring Lizard People!!! And LYING IN COURT is a GOOD thing, when the RIGHT side does shit for TRUMP!!!
https://reason.com/2022/02/11/sidney-powell-disowns-her-kraken-saying-she-is-not-responsible-for-her-phony-story-of-a-stolen-election/ (Yet another Powell article)
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child?
WHY do you evil people love it SOOOOO much when lawyers LIE in court? Is it the lawyers that You love, the lies, or both?
Conspiracy theories or cunt-spermacy theories; which appeal to ye the MOISTEST?!?!? And twat does Spermy Daniels say about tit all? Are Ye Perfectly titillated yet, Moose-Mammary?
Spermy Daniels for Der TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer’s new VEEP!!! Government Almighty KNOWS that The TrumptatorShit will need MANY-MANY (affordable) criminal defense lawyers, and Spermy Daniels can attract MANY “Pro Boner” lawyers!!!
Powell was telling the truth. Your articles are old outdated lies refuted here by many people many times. And I know that you know that. You're just to fucking lazy to update your lies.
And the people you shill for are power mad demons who frauded two fucking impeachments, exploited a virus as an excuse to clamp down on freedom, messed with an election using ballots with no chain of custody and eminently tamperable voting machines, deliberately perpetrated J6 and then lied about what happened, censored the internet to stop people talking about election interference, ran show trials and kangaroo courts, and are now trying every trick they can to stop the opposition candidate from running a campaign.
You shill for psychopaths, you shill for warmongers, you shill for fascism, you shill for thugs. You’re an evil person, Shillsy.
All of Your Perfect So-Called "Brain" cells are old outdated lies refuted here by many people many times. Over THOUSANDS of years!!!
AFTER one presents the facts (and the well-reasoned and ethical “right thing to do”), and the stupid and evil still resist… Because they are stupid and evil… Then one has to shrug, and say to oneself, “all that is left to me now, sad to say, is to warn others that we are dealing, here, with stupid and evil people”. John the Baptist AND Jesus had to deal with the same thing. Or do you think that THEY were stupid and evil, stupid and evil one?
https://biblehub.com/matthew/23-33.htm
You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.
If you ever come around to wanting to work on your affliction, EvilBahnFuhrer, start here: M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.
Never said a goddamn thing about papers, you retarded asshole squirrel.
“She always manages to conflate legal and illegal immigration…”
TWAT is the Magic Difference, then, between these two, Oh Great Wise One, if shit is TWAT the Presence or Absence of said Magic Papers?
TWAT is the airspeed velocity of an airhead who denies twat it said in the first place, anyway? Can it grip shit by the husk?
Go stick Tim's wand up your ass, twit.
So You Perfectly 'fess up that You can TWAT argue or reason Your way out of Your Perfectly Smelly paper sanitary napkin? OR tell Your Perfect Twat from a hole in the ground?
Thanks for 'fessing up then!
Fuck you're a retard, you crazy old wife beater.
Ask, and ye shall receive wisdom! Knock, and the door shall be opened for ye!
Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!
So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…
Reason staff has asked me to convey the following message to you:
Hi Fantastically Talented Author:
Obviously, you are a silver-tongued orator, and you also know how to translate your spectacular talents to the written word! We at Reason have need for writers like you, who have near-magical persuasive powers, without having to write at great, tedious length, or resorting to boring facts and citations.
At Reason, we pay above-market-band salaries to permanent staff, or above-market-band per-word-based fees to freelancers, at your choice. To both permanent staff, and to free-lancers, we provide excellent health, dental, and vision benefits. We also provide FREE unlimited access to nubile young groupies, although we do firmly stipulate that persuasion, not coercion, MUST be applied when taking advantage of said nubile young groupies.
Please send your resume, and another sample of your writings, along with your salary or fee demands, to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com .
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Yep, definitely a retard, you nutty fucking squirrel.
Yep, your empty-headed stupid insult is definitely a tired old retread, you not-ass-smart-ass-a-rock nitwit.
That's exactly why Reason is profiling it - so it can grow and flourish. It's hard to do in this anti-immigrant mindset these days.
It depends on wide variety of factors but asylum seekers have to wait for a long time (minimum 180 days) to get their work authorization.
I grew up in Central New York. Oneota is a dying town with no industry like most of the smaller industrial towns like Utica, Rome and so on. Even mighty Rochester is a joke as Kodak and Xerox are about done. What exactly are these folks going to do for work? Start businesses? Doing what? NY Tax and welfare laws are such there has not been any new Kodaks or Xeroxs in 50 years. No, they will be on welfare and at best work at the A Plus and other gas station/convience stores. Rocky did the same thing back in the 60's when he invited folks from the south to move to NY..their decendants are stuck in decaying cites born out of wedlock and most can't ready or write at a 10th grade level.
And the enthusiasm the neocons and neolibs have with immigrants who are not European American christians is telling isn't it? old world greviences against Christian "peasants" have been driving the immigration pushes by the left for decades..
Utica has been a dumping ground since the stupid NATO war on Serbia in the 90s..had to spend a week there for relatives last year..still shit hole. I guess all these immigrants didn't create the next Apple did they?
Time to build the wall, deport everyone here illegally and dismantle the NGOs and cultural marxists pushing this...
I used to do some work in Rome with the AFRL. This was in the 90's and early naughts. I could see the decay back then. Pretty country side though.
Well let's see they can get work milking cows... wait what am I saying, the best upstate jobs are in the massive prison system. I'm sure the local white boys will be happy to have the foreign competition.
"NY Tax and welfare laws are such there has not been any new Kodaks or Xeroxs in 50 years."
NYC is full of startups. It has a huge tech sector. It isn't as noticed because NYC has such a huge economy that it doesn't dominate the way it does in California and Washington.
New York, California, and Washington. All deep blue states. Think about that for a moment. Blithering idiots call them communist. They are actually the center of capitalism for the world.
"the enthusiasm the neocons and neolibs have with immigrants who are not European American christians"
Thank you for outing yourself as a racist and religious bigot. Almost all of the current wave of migrants are in fact Christian, much more so than US Citizens are today.
"deport everyone here illegally"
Thank you for at least not wanting to deport the current wave of migrants, who are legal asylum applicants.
" all these immigrants didn’t create the next Apple"
The CEO of Pfizer is a non-Christian immigrant. So is the Chief Medical Officer of Moderna. Thanks to their leadership most of the world has access to a safe vaccine against COVID. Millions of lives saved, along with the economy.
"cultural marxists"
Cultural Marxism isn't a thing.
Fiona: Sending immigrants to blue areas was a dumb stunt that totally backfired. It actually proved the opposite of what was intended. Martha's Vineyard only needed 24 hours to show Democrats are 100% sincere with their 'no human being is illegal so please keep sending more' shtick.
Democratic mayor of Democratic NYC: Migrant crisis will destroy NYC.
#Oops
"Martha’s Vineyard only needed 24 hours to show Democrats are 100% sincere with their ‘no human being is illegal so please keep sending more’ shtick."
And they only needed an additional 12-24 hours on top of that to arrange a military level bums-rush to get them the fuck out of their sight
I would say I feel bad for how pathetic their gaslighting is, but it really does work on such a large amount of people, so it has to be pointed out and ridiculed.
This is right wing lunatic mental mast*rbation.
Most immigrants today go to immigrant friendly regions to find work. These areas include California, New York region and large cities in Texas. You don't have to even bus them, most of them will go on their own.
Martha's Vineyard very graciously dealt with all the migrants, provided them food and shelter and assisted them to go wherever they wanted which is where there is work.
Stick to criticizing Trump toots. You’re not clever or funny Sandy.
Granted, it doesn't take much cleverness to demonstrate the stupidity of Koch-funded "libertarians." Merely quoting, or faithfully paraphrasing, their words is enough.
I notice you also get upset when I use the same tactic against the Democrats here. Does it embarrass you how self-evidently idiotic their arguments are too?
Don't talk to it like it's human, Sandy.
Fuck off KAR, you ban evading twat. Go dox another dead cop's family.
Who would have thought that 100 citizens would have to vet out a refugee...and that took 8 years?! Might have shaved a few years off of the process AND were probably much more thoroughly vetted than 'the system' could ever do. Of course there is a big difference between actual refugees and those showing up and claiming asylum to game the system. But Fiona doesn't make that distinction.
Where do you propose to obtain the Magical Mind-Reading Powers for Government Almighty to accurately tell the difference between REAL refugees (of political repression for example), and those "gaming the system"? Now keep in mind that in the HIGHLY controlled environment of the USA military, AND also simultaneously in the highly controlled profession of psychiatry, these "awesome powers that be" were NOT able to "fence out" a CLEARLY crazy Islamic shrink who killed USA soldiers!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan
If'n ye have a tinfoil hat that's up to this job, please patent it and publish QUICKLY!!! We, and Government Almighty, are in desperate need NOW!!!
But Fiona doesn’t make that distinction.
Like the rest of the Open Borders retards at Reason, she doesn't make ANY distinctions. They really believe that everyone in the world who wants to come here should be allowed to. They're either too stupid to imagine what catastrophic effects that would have on our country, or they actually want our society to be destroyed.
Or Charles Koch pays them a little extra not to.
So a few things… first the numbers.
In its first six months, the program welcomed nearly 160,000 migrants.
6 months to welcome half of the numbers of illegal border crossers in a month. Your numbers fail.
Second. The article barely goes into the financial issue. While the article says the refugee has a job within a year 70% of the time, it never admits that the refugee is still given welfare by the state during the first 2 years. The sponsors spoken about, like Somin, dont actually fully pay for the refugees despite that being the supposed agreement. This is seen in the refugee spending numbers. Instead of financial sponsorship these programs are just having a big brother type. Sponsors are not financially responsible for the refugee. The state and other taxpayers are.
The state (at the behest of short-sighted immigrant-hating voters) is responsible for NOT GIVING IMMIGRANTS PERMISSION TO WORK!!!
Hey Government Almighty! Hey anti-work authoritarians! Is productive work for willing, paying recipients of work-products some sort of EVIL thing, or twat? If it is EVIL, please tell us WHY shit is evil!!!
The fact that those who complain about immigrants on welfare mock and deride anyone who suggests they should be allowed to work tells me that they hate immigrants and are using welfare as an excuse.
Consider Jesse’s main source of information. Their stated mission is to point out the “consequences” of immigration. As in they openly state that they ignore the good and focus only on the bad. That’s what he calls unbiased.
Remember yesterday when you embarrassed yourself not knowing what a non sequitur is?
https://reason.com/2024/03/08/state-of-the-union-on-stimulants/?comments=true#comment-10479063
That shit was hilarious.
Remember when you made a comment that was relevant to the discussion and not a personal attack?
Me neither.
My comment was a non sequitur dummy.
This said right after a post of his has a personal attack. Lol.
What a fucking hypocrite.
Remember when you made a comment that didn't have a personal attack buried within it?
Me neither.
Jesse: The numbers here fail. Second. The article barely goes into the financial issue.
Sarcasmic: those who complain about immigrants on welfare mock and deride anyone who suggests they should be allowed to work tells me that they hate immigrants and are using welfare as an excuse.
RMac: Remember yesterday when you embarrassed yourself not knowing what a non sequitur is?
Sarcasmic: Remember when you made a comment that was relevant to the discussion and not a personal attack?
Delightful. I can’t stop laughing. Sarcasmic is a treasure.
And sarc rushed to full retard early on a Saturday.
Low skilled workers use government resources even with a job you retarded fuck. On top of that they displace other citizens to government programs, yet again increasing cost to taxpayers. They qualify for medicaid which is one of the largest costs for the federal government.
How about instead of being retarded you prove they are a net benefit. Something you refuse to do.
Low skilled workers use government resources even with a job you retarded fuck.
Then deport low-skilled Americans too.
On top of that they displace other citizens to government programs, yet again increasing cost to taxpayers.
Only because the of laws prohibiting them from working, which you never address.
They qualify for medicaid which is one of the largest costs for the federal government.
So do poor Americans. Deport them too.
How about instead of being retarded you prove they are a net benefit. Something you refuse to do.
How's about making an honest argument for once that acknowledges the fact that they're forced into government programs by being prohibited from working.
Reading is hard.
Since deporting low-skilled Americans is a non-starter and completely impossible, you're just being a dishonest sack by suggesting it.
Citizens in a nation are treated better than non-citizens. learn to cope with that.
your "solution" is that, in the interest of some sort of made-up "fairness", we may as well import even more burdens that cause problems because we already have some. That's like dumping hundreds of mice in your basement because you have some there already. It doesn't make sense.
My solution to the costs of immigrants is to make it easier for them to pay their own way.
People hostile to immigrants working who demonize them for going on assistance are not interested in solving anything. They're just full of hate.
none of that responds to the really dishonest "suggestion" of deporting low-productivity Americans. you made that suggestion as if it somehow counters the reasonable idea of not bringing more low-productivity aliens here. It doesn't and you know it.
It was a sarcastic suggestion to point out that the only difference between a low skilled immigrant and a low skilled American is where they were born.
By the way, I disagree with characterizing immigrants as low-productivity. Low skilled immigrants are many times more productive than lazy natives.
By the way, I disagree with characterizing immigrants as low-productivity. Low skilled immigrants are many times more productive than lazy natives.
That strongly depends on what the race is of the natives you're evaluating. That said, it's basically inarguable that Hispanics, who comprise the vast bulk of these immigrants you're so in love with, do not contribute to the public fisc. They are a net drain.
Anyone who says "Lazy Mexican" has never worked with a Mexican.
Just because someone does hard work doesn't mean they contribute.
I can go out and work hard shoveling sand into piles on the beach. Doesn't mean it's worth anything.
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Lol. Already retreating to youre racist type arguments. Just because some illegals work hard doesn't mean they all do. See new york. Youre the one attributing a claim to an entire population without evidence. That my friend is also racism. And false.
But then again you love to ignore the criminals and gang members as you lie about the problem.
Even with jobs they don’t pay their own way you absolutely retard. You’ve been given the evidence dozens of fucking times.
Repeating what you know to be a lie is just dumb.
I also see you yet again switching to the dishonest immigrants when discussing importation of millions of illegal immigrants. Sucha dishonest shit you are.
Only because the of laws prohibiting them from working, which you never address.
I’ve addressed and even given you a link in this very thread dumbfuck.
Jobs dont magically show up because someone illegally crosses a border. And again, even with jobs they are a net drain from various programs.
Are you incapable of educating yourself?
And your entire deport Americans argument is just pure retardation. Stop the growth of these costs. Don't exacerbate it by inviting more in.
You have zero honest arguments.
“….prohibited from working.”
You guys still haven’t figured out how to shift your narrative for a reality where the numbers of people sneaking into the country vastly overwhelm our need for unskilled, Spanish speaking labor. Many are very openly, in fact, not here to work.
Better get with the times and figure something out that doesn’t boil down to “well, they’re here, we have to take care of them now”, because that’s how you get trump.
Plus, your virtue signaling feelz depends on it. Haha.
The natist bigots here are of course hypocrites. They whine about migrants being public charges but they also oppose letting them work.
Illegals shouldn't be here at all - deport all of them. The legal immigrants should be permitted to work.
The fact that you never ever admit to is that these people go on welfare because they’re legally prohibited from working.
An argument I have only seen you mock with sneering comments about food trucks is that these people will have less of an incentive to go on welfare if they’re allowed to work.
You’re hyper-focused on a symptom while deliberately and dishonestly ignoring the cause.
Refugees get work authorization "incident to status" meaning it is automatic. They are allowed to work on arrival. All they need to provide is their entry record (I-94).
Those claiming asylum at the border are NOT eligible for immediate work authorization and it's a problem, but refugees and asylees are legally distinct categories.
Refugees are a negligible percentage of immigrants because it's absurdly difficult to qualify.
According to a new study released by FAIR, the annual cost to U.S. taxpayers is $1.8 billion and over five years, that financial burden skyrockets to $8.8 billion.
https://www.fairus.org/issue/legal-immigration/fiscal-cost-resettling-refugees-united-states
Let’s expand it to spend more! It is negligible!
And thats 2018. It has gone up sense and will go up more increasing the number.
Refugee work permits are literal proof that giving illegal immigrant work permits will continue to cost US taxpayer money. Yet you dont give a fuck.
The total cost of illegal immigration is into the tens to hundreds of billions.
https://www.fairus.org/about-fair
FAIR seeks to reduce overall immigration to a more normal level.
Your source of information openly admits that their goal is to provide information that only shows the bad side of immigration and ignores the good.
and how reliant are you on "statistics" and psychotic arguments from people like Alex Nowrasteh, huh
So you go with an ad hominem to dismiss facts. Lol.
Counter their source dumdum. You can’t.
By the way, bookmarking for the next time you wrongly claim an ad hominem.
And full retard sarc continues. Even people with jobs get government handouts dumdum. Food stamps. Medicaid. Housing assistance.
You remain one of the dumbest mother fuckers here.
Move the goalposts much?
HA!
Show where Jesse moved the goalposts.
Another term you apparently don't understand.
Sarcasmic: The fact that you never ever admit to is that these people go on welfare because they’re legally prohibited from working.
Jesse: Even people with jobs get government handouts dumdum. Food stamps. Medicaid. Housing assistance.
Sarcasmic: Move the goalposts much?
Absolutely amazing. Sarc does it on purpose. You can't convince me otherwise.
As I see it, the solution to this problem is high fences and wide gates.
The people who want to come here to work will flock to the gates. Smugglers and criminals will avoid the gates and instead cross the fences.
That would allow border enforcement to put resources where they are needed, instead of wasting all their time and effort on catching those who want to work while criminals take advantage of the distraction.
Notice sarc never says to stop taxpayer spending for illegals. Even legal immigrants require 5 years of not being a burden to maintain residency, but this too is often waived.
Just a bleeding heart democrat at this point, justifying government forced monetary transfers to the entire globe.
Notice how Jesse never says that immigrants should be allowed to work. He instead incessantly complains about them being on government programs while deliberately and dishonestly glossing over the fact that they wouldn’t have to if they were legally allowed to work.
Immigrants are already allowed to work you retarded fuck. Illegal immigrants should not due to the costs they consume. A net drain. Youw ant to continue to encourage a net taking from citizens for your bleeding hear democratic beliefs.
And even given work permits, there are not enough jobs to support the numbers. You have been given evidence. But persist with ignorant talking points. Hochul was able to find about 10k jobs for almost 200k. You were given the NY post article on how only 2% applied for jobs when authorized.
Your entire political belief system is based on utter ignorance. Jobs don't magically appear just because someone crosses a border.
You really are one of the dumbest people here. Facts don't matter. Just your beliefs.
Immigrants are already allowed to work you retarded fuck.
After waiting for month or years for permission.
Illegal immigrants should not due to the costs they consume. A net drain.
Because they're waiting for permission to work.
Youw ant to continue to encourage a net taking from citizens for your bleeding hear democratic beliefs.
You continue to ignore and deny the fact that they go on assistance because they can't work.
The rest of your comment assumes economy is a zero-sum game, which it is not.
As expected you dishonestly ignore the fact that policies you defend prohibit immigrants from working, forcing them onto assistance so you can demonize and dehumanize them. I think your principles and political beliefs are pretty obvious here.
Thanks for giving me another reason to not give twenty five bucks to Reason.
Because they’re waiting for permission to work.
Which they don't get because they're here illegally, and should be deported.
Which socks will you be paying for and which will you be dropping?
Jesse should stick to his inbred family and not talk about matters outside of his home.
1. Immigrants are not allowed to work by default. Legal or illegal. It involves years of wait and thousands of dollars in paperwork. After that only SOMe may work.
2. Illegal immigrants should not due to the costs they consume.
What does that even mean ?
> And even given work permits, there are not enough jobs to support the numbers.
USA has historically high employment and massive shortage of workers in every single industry.
> Your entire political belief system is based on utter ignorance. Jobs don’t magically appear just because someone crosses a border.
Actually they do. higher the human resources, the economy automaticall expands to make use of the human resources to make life better for everyone. Earth's population has reach around 8B today and it will stabilize at around 15B. Do you think we will have 50% unemployment because of this ?
stop doing you sister bozo.
And here is my favorite irony of sarcs unprincipled stances. He will defend illegal immigration no matter the costs. One study last year put it at around 200B. A cost born on taxpayers. Each and every year. Seeing destruction of social services and budgets. He will call you fascist and racist while defending this allowance.
Then turn around and cry about every single tariff despite coming in at a much lower cost as being too extreme at roughly 50B a year.
https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/the-total-cost-of-tariffs/
So his principles to economics seem to center around his political beliefs. Nothing more.
You're the one defending current policies, not me. That makes your entire post a lie.
bro you don't have any problem with the current policies because you're defending the flood of illegals and it just doesn't bother you at all. the costs don't bother you. you don't care.
bro I think it's abhorrent that immigrants are forced to go on assistance because of current policies that make it difficult to impossible for them to provide for themselves.
you obviously don't have any experience with immigrants if you think they're incapable of providing for themselves. plenty of illegals work, man. but they also use plenty of welfare, use infrastructure, and send their kids to schools.
Plenty don't work because it's illegal, while using welfare is not.
I swear you just ignore everything you're given, even when given the actual facts, and just persist in bald assertions and ignorance.
Does repeating a lie make it true sarc? They would still be a net drain. You've been given the evidence. You just refuse to admit it.
This is dishonest argumentation.
Even with low wage jobs they consume welfare and government services. Stop being retarded. And also, yet again, there aren't 3M jobs doe just last years population to fill. Fucking try informing yourself instead of argumentation from ignorance.
By the way, I fully support going back to the Trump policy of letting immigrants wait for their court date in Mexico, not here.
The current wave of migrants wants to work. It is the US government that won't let them.
Yes privatization is the answer. Of course, the government has taken away property rights from private individuals and instead given them a vote in government. What is bizarre is that if a private individual exercised their property rights to say "No you may not enter my land," Reason would support them wholeheartedly. But as soon as the government has collectivized that right, Reason says it is morally objectionable for that same individual to use their only recourse (petitioning their government) to exercise the same right.
"—and getting the government out of the way."
Securing the sovereignty of the country, the border, and maintaining a military should some of the things government does and does well.
If you dont have borders, you dont have a country. There are consequences to not having borders or a country. The utopias the left imagines never come to fruition because human nature is a thing and actions have consequences (often unintended, though predictable).
There’s a lot in between the current system of waiting a minimum of seven years to legally enter the country and the open borders you are arguing against.
None of that is relevant when the border is functionally a very loose sieve that is letting in almost 10x what was already a high number in the past.
Have to stop the bleeding before rational solutions can be pursued. Close down the border, with the military/national guard if needed, and cut entitlements. Then we can talk about where we want to land on the spectrum of openborders no immigration. But the border as it currently is, is a non starter
Closed borders vs open borders is a false dichotomy. There's plenty in between.
Besides that, closing the border is logistically impossible. It's just too big.
The problem is that people who want to work are crossing illegally, and that's overwhelming border patrol. This allows the bad guys easier entry because the agents whose job it is to catch them are busy with people who just want to improve their lives. Make it easier for the latter to get in, and the former will be easier to catch.
The problem is that people who want to work are crossing illegally,
You continue to repeat this lie even when given evidence. They continue to take.
https://nypost.com/2023/11/10/metro/2-of-the-140k-migrants-who-came-to-nyc-have-applied-for-work-permits/
You continue to ignore the costs. It is amazing. So glad Maine is finally feeling the costs. Maybe you'll learn.
I think there are some people who are honestly concerned about the costs of immigration who don't hate immigrants.
The fact that you attack anyone who says it should be easier for them to work, and be less of a burden, tells me you're not one of them.
Here's an idea: stop letting them come here. you don't really have any good reason to object to that, but for some reason, you really, really like the flood of aliens anyway.
Immigrants, legal and illegal, work, bro. They work plenty. They're still a net drain. These are facts and they don't care about your alien fetishism.
Look at my second reply to MP. You can't stop them from coming here any more than you can stop drugs. It's not possible. Best to make it easier to separate the wheat from the chaff instead of putting it all into one pile.
Smartest thing you've said thus far this morning.
Sarcasmic finally made a good point.
Immigrants, legal and illegal, work, bro. They work plenty. They’re still a net drain.
How do you know this? If they’re working illegally then you don’t know how productive they are. Illegals not working under the table pay payroll taxes but don’t have SSNs. So that’s pure profit for the government. They pay income taxes too. The ones working under the table pay sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes, sin taxes and all kinds of other taxes. But you don’t know how much because it’s impossible to know. That means you can’t honestly claim they’re a net drain. You don’t have enough information.
You can assume, based on their average income and what they would pay in income taxes, and compare it to the total social expenditure (for example, per pupil spending at schools). Even "steelmanning" immigrant productivity, they still don't contribute.
And I've actually seen immigrants use ITINS to still file taxes and get refunds. Even though they're not supposed to. The IRS doesn't care and their perspective on it is that it's ICE's job to catch these people.
Plenty of other sources say otherwise. And from what I’ve seen most economic arguments against immigrants are based on zero-sum fallacies.
I still maintain that if you want immigrants to be less of a drain, make it easier for them to work. And anyone who attacks those who want to make them less of a burden by working, while demonizing them for going on assistance because they can't legally work, just hates immigrants and isn’t interested in solving anything.
how about i just don't want them here and i shouldn't be forced to accommodate them?
Notice sarc doesn’t provide a single source while claiming sources say.
Then retreats to a supposed morality argument claiming you hate all immigrants if you dont want to bear the cost.
Standard dem argumentation.
For fucks sake. I've given you the proof. You dismiss them as ad hominem while never backing up your false assertions.
I think there are some people who are honestly concerned about the costs of immigration who don’t hate immigrants.
Look at the utter dishonesty of this piece of shit.
Who here hates them retard? Why do you keep substituting immigrants for illegal immigrants.
I agree with this comment. Closing the border is a fallacy because there is too much commerce between the USA and Mexico. It would also cripple border communities. I also agree that by not addressing immigration reform we create a bigger problem for the Border Patrol. We have too much time taken up with people that are a small problem and so taking away time for the people who are the big problem.
Are you equating the flow of trade with illegal immigration? Is this what you are saying?
What I am suggesting is that this is a huge amount of trade and that Mexico is our third largest trading partner. See;
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/ground-truth-briefing-the-consequences-us-mexico-border-shutdown
That is a very stupid and reaching missive with no substance. Just an emotional round table.
Stop conflating trade as an appeal for open borders. Secured borders and open trade both have been possible throughout human history.
This isn’t a zero sum game.
U just increase the risk to cross (armed drones, mine fields) and fine any US business or non profit $100K if they hire someone without a valid work permit. And asylum as well the left just uses it to dump more uneducated often single moms who don't speak english into the country.
The founders might have disagreed:
"A standing army is one of the greatest mischiefs that can possibly happen." -- James Madison
"Standing armies are dangerous to liberty." -- Alexander Hamilton
"None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army." -- Thomas Jefferson
"Always remember that an armed and trained militia is the firmest bulwark of republics -- that without standing armies their liberty can never be in dangers, nor with large ones safe." -- James Madison
True, although that ship has sailed. The Federal government has at least two distinct standing armies.
The actual military, which is indeed a standing army no matter what tricks they use to get around the constitution on that point.
Then you have the bureaucratic enforcement arms, which numbers around 150,000 strong.
So the US wasn't a country until the 1920s. Until then we basically had open borders.
You are Exhibit A for the failure of our educational system to teach US history.
Makes more sense than calling an attempt to enforce border security a humanitarian crisis and granting asylum to everyone who fails to apply for a visa or citizenship and handing them a debit card and putting them up in schools or airports or hotels.
If I want to employ a non-citizen and pay them, and someone else wants to rent them a house, why should the government interfere?
why should the government interfere?
Because the number and type of immigrants we accept should be a collective national decision. Private citizens should not be making the decision for all of us.
Because the employer or landlord aren't the only ones bearing the costs.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/07/hans-hermann-hoppe/immigration-and-libertarianism/
In principle you are not wrong. Who I employ and who I rent to should be my decisions alone. I should not be forced to hire blue haired tarted up males who want me to call them Sally any more than I should be prevented from hiring guys name Juan and Jesus who don't speak English and can't read Spanish.
However laws have been passed for whatever reason that interfere with my rights as a property owner and businessman to make morons feel better. All of those laws need to go and these economic choices need to be free of government coercion.
I however doubt that will happen anytime soon. Until then the laws exist and should be enforced equally. As much effort that goes into making me hire people I don't like should be going into preventing me from hiring illegals. If that isn't the case then I cry foul. Unequal enforcement of the law is unjust.
So, apparently, according to this article, it takes 100 people to support two immigrants?
'No negatives to immigration we are told'.
Think of the GDP growth.
Isn't it immoral for us to take the economic benefits of having these people away from the struggling countries they are fleeing?
You bet. It also ensures that their home countries will never get better, making this a perpetual problem to argue over and not solve.
Gotta assume that the white savior types know this by now and can no longer claim to be well meaning.
This is a true point. Mexico deserves to be a great nation. However it's cartell polluted government makes it clear that the nation to the north that enriches the cartells by buying their overpriced products is a great place to run to if your life sucks in Mexico.
The illegals issue doesn't exist in a vacuum. Their nation is fucked up by our nations demand for recreational drugs which we pay an ungodly amount of dollars for which collectively is a huge fortune in Mexican Pesos.
If we legalized those drugs and made them available like we do cigarettes and booze at reasonable prices manufactured by American laboratories from raw materials bought for a fair market value from Mexico the Cartells would go broke and not be able to afford to buy the government. The newly legal export for Mexico would provide real jobs for poor Mexicans and they wouldn't be desperate to come to the US.
Sure, some would still try to cross illegals, but it would be a trickle, not a flood. It wouldn't be big enough to be a humanitarian crisis.
As a side note it would bankrupt our own American gang bangers and force them to get real jobs, which with fewer Mexicans taking those jobs, there would be more of them available.
Also with gang bangers going broke less gun violence on our streets and the excuses for gun control would dry up.
Everyone wins. We'll, except cartells and gang bangers.
If you believe that, you haven't been paying attention to how marijuana "legalization" has been going. "Legalizing" addictive narcotics would be even more difficult.
Is two enough to run a food truck?
Do they even have food in Burundi?
Also, if these people decide to just . . . walk away from supporting these immigrants - what happens to them? Who is responsible?
Has this happened? If not let's start worrying when it does.
Lol. Exactly the kind of thinking that’s got us to where we are now.
You cannot shut every good idea down because it might fail. The fact is this has not failed yet and it deserves a try. And if we don't go private it will end up being the government's problem from the start. So, a failure likely adds only a minimal cost.
The fact is that any sort of "private" immigration is still going to allow the use of welfare and other social services (infrastructure, schools, etc.). There is no such thing as "private" immigration. It doesn't make any sense and everyone knows it.
You can pretend that these sponsors are financially responsible, but there's nothing at all that's going to prevent these people or their children from going on the dole.
Why aren't all those blue areas bragging about the riches they attained through gaining so many illegal immigrants?
I was told they cost nothing and are only a benefit.
Which is crazy, because there are plenty examples of blue city politicians complaining about having the illegals there and paying for them.
What is their problem? Have other more knowledgeable, more elite, more caring democrats not told them how lucky they and rich they are now? Is reality maybe sending them a different message than left wing twitter?
lol "DIVERSITY IS MUH GREATEST STRENGTH" amirite
https://reason.com/2020/03/26/u-s-population-growth-rate-lowest-in-a-century-says-new-report/
No matter how responsible we are, and how hardworking we are, and how much money we save, our money will NOT feed us, change our bedsheets, or wipe our butts, while we linger on death’s doorstep, in our old age!!! Only PEOPLE can do these things! People = humans, not saved money!)
Meanwhile, the illegal sub-humans will pay and pay and pay taxes into our system, and never benefit, till we grind them into the dirt, and very-very few are left to work their asses off to support us in our old age!
Here is an older version of that:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/perspectives/stimulus-checks-undocumented-taxpayers/index.html
These taxpayers won’t get stimulus checks. That’s unjust
By Tim Breene for CNN Business Perspectives
i think i'll figure out how to take care of myself without being abused by some minimum-wage earning surly migrant who will steal my watch when i turn my head
Who is surly in the first place because YOU treat them like shit! Twat cums around, goes around! Karma!
If true you're in for a world of hurt, Shillsy.
I'm firmly aware that no good deed goes unpunished! It is firmly and thoroughly documented here!
http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/
Also note the below:
You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
From the conclusion to the above…
These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.
SQRLSY back here now… So, I do NOT want you to feel BAD about YOU being an authoritarian asshole, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being an authoritarian asshole! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being an asshole! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that authoritarian asshole that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!
"I’m firmly aware that no good deed goes unpunished!"
You've never done a good deed, you evil old fuck, so you must be doing great.
Population declines in first world nations are a good thing. As first world nations turn to more automated manufacturing they need fewer factory workers and more robotic repairmen and programmers. They need fewer ditch diggers and more heavy equipment operators. The innovations in technology reduce the demand for cheep labor gangs and it takes fewer people to run the technology.
Cheep illegal labor screws up the inevitable progress of automation. Instead of orchards buying and using machines that shake the tree to harvest the apples they hire illegals to harvest. Instead of automating slaughter lines illegals do that work.
We don't need more people. We in fact need less people who are better educated. As for transitional workers we already have inner cities full of functionally illiterate black peasants who can fill the roles the illegals fill now.
Democrats don't want to solve the problems of illegal immigration because it helps to keep the black population on welfare and voting for Democrats.
"We're losing population and there's a labor shortage here…Our community needs new people, and refugees are a great source to revitalize a community," Wolff says.
Waiiiiit... I thought you said great
replacementrevitalization *wink* is a wacky alt-right crazy person belief.In an interview with In Search of Aztlán on 8 August 1999, José Ángel Gutiérrez, a political science professor at the University of Texas at Arlington, stated:
We're the only ethnic group in America that has been dismembered. We didn't migrate here or immigrate here voluntarily. The United States came to us in succeeding waves of invasions. We are a captive people, in a sense, a hostage people. It is our political destiny and our right to self-determination to want to have our homeland [back]. Whether they like it or not is immaterial. If they call us radicals or subversives or separatists, that's their problem. This is our home, and this is our homeland, and we are entitled to it. We are the host. Everyone else is a guest.... It is not our fault that whites don't make babies, and blacks are not growing in sufficient numbers, and there's no other groups with such a goal to put their homeland back together again. We do. Those numbers will make it possible. I believe that in the next few years, we will see an irredentists movement, beyond assimilation, beyond integration, beyond separatism, to putting Mexico back together as one. That's irridentism [sic]. One Mexico, one nation.
In an interview with the Star-Telegram in October 2000, Gutiérrez stated that many recent Mexican immigrants "want to recreate all of Mexico and join all of Mexico into one. And they are going to do that, even if it's just demographically.... They are going to have political sovereignty over the Southwest and many parts of the Midwest."[13] In a videotape made by the Immigration Watchdog website, as cited in The Washington Times, Gutiérrez was quoted as saying, "We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It's a matter of time. The explosion is in our population."[8] In a subsequent interview with The Washington Times in 2006, Gutiérrez backtracked and said that there was "no viable" Reconquista movement, and he blamed interest in the issue on closed-border groups and "right-wing blogs."
Illegal immigration to the Southwest is sometimes viewed as a form of Reconquista in light of the fact that Texas statehood was preceded by an influx of US settlers into that Mexican province until US citizens outnumbered Mexicans ten–to-one and took over the area's governance. The theory is that the reverse will happen when Mexicans eventually become so numerous in the region that they wield substantial influence, including political power.[15] Even if it is not intended, some analysts say the significant demographic shift in the Southwest may result in "a de facto reconquista." Political scientist Samuel P. Huntington, a proponent of the widespread popularity of Reconquista, stated in 2004:
Demographically, socially and culturally, the reconquista (re-conquest) of the Southwest United States by Mexican immigrants is well under way. [However, a] meaningful move to reunite these territories with Mexico seems unlikely.... No other immigrant group in U.S. history has asserted or could assert a historical claim to U.S. territory. Mexicans and Mexican-Americans can and do make that claim.
[wikipedia]
He was a shit professor.
This explains a lot.
This is our home, and this is our homeland, and we are entitled to it.
Nope, we took it fair and square. But if what you're declaring is an asymmetrical war, then let me make it very clear - I have long been against the use of force on illegal immigrants. And even the rhetoric of calling them "invaders." While many on the right (esp. the MAGAs) cream their pants at fantasies of setting up automated turrets at the border, or rounding up border jumpers and sending them back stacked like cordwood in trailers - I have never advocated such a thing.
But if you're flat out admitting that your goal is invasion via asymmetric warfare, I will very quickly change my position to, "defend with overwhelming force." Go ahead and admit that it's a "Reconquista." I will flip immediately to, "Kill all the border jumpers, no quarter given."
Because then you're openly admitting that the Republicans and Trumpublicans were right: it's an invasion.
Be very careful the game you want to play here, MO.
If that was translated to Spanish and read to the illegals crossing the border they would laugh their asses off. They don't want to reclaim the southwest. They want to send money home to their extended families so they can survive the crushing poverty in Mexico. They don't much care how that money is collected, just that they manage to turn fistfulls of dollars into piles of pesos.
Call me when, "the program resettled over 16,000 refugees" is the rate of immigration. Anything above and beyond is rightfully called an invasion.
Should we be surprised that Fiona the Open Borders Slut and lap toy for Koch Industries promotes a model for privatizing immigration?
Not exactly. She does NOT advocate for all expenses of the "refugees" to be paid for privately.
Statements about immigration that will trigger both the left and the right:
"America is the greatest country in the world, because it's a nation of immigrants."
"Immigrants want to come to the US to work hard, because capitalism is the only system that rewards hard work with prosperity."
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who wants to come to the US to work hard and create a better life for their family should be allowed to do so, but taxpayers should not be forced to support them.
If we allowed that, we would be inundated with hundreds of millions of "newcomers" and our society would be destroyed.
That first one doesn't trigger me. It's absolutely true.
America is the world's most delicious soup. (I mean, we call it a "melting pot" for a reason.) The blending of all those unique and wonderful ingredients comes together to transform it into something greater than the sum of its parts. That's the point.
But the thing about soup making is that we exercise discernment when we add so many varying ingredients. We don't just throw in whatever indiscriminately - and we CERTAINLY don't throw in that which is garbage or rotten. The former sits on a shelf until we find a use for it; the latter goes into the trash where it belongs.
Immigration policy should be like that. Everyone should be welcome for consideration - but we should similarly have zero qualms about saying, "Nah, we have enough of that" or "No, we don't really want that right now" and "No way in hell are we putting that in here."
Instead, we've incentivized all the wrong people and frustrated the ability of all the right ones - and now we're cooking up some horrible monstrous slop straight from the garbage can and pretending its an edible soup. And we're inexplicably told that it's "racist" or "xenophobic" not to. Which is stupid. Because it's not about the race or culture - it's about the one ingredient's effect on the rest of them.
That doesn't mean the second statement triggers me either, mind you. It just means that the claim "immigrants want to come to the US to work hard" is now very demonstrably false.
“America is the greatest country in the world, because it’s a nation of immigrants.”
America is the greatest country in the world because of it's English cultural heritage and then it's size, natural resources and large population. If either Australia or Canada had America's population or New Zealand and the UK its size and natural resources, they'd be just as great.
because of it’s English cultural heritage
Correction: because of its Christian cultural heritage. From which English, and later American culture was derived. After the Battle of Hastings (which was the turning point after a few centuries of trying to Christianize the Saxons) and the Normans took over, Christianity influenced everything that we'd come to know as English cultural heritage.
Until, among other reasons, America got tired of Anglican/COE persecution and the Catholics and Protestants told them to go pound sand. Which is when we started seeing the American vs English cultures go off in similar but ultimately very different directions and develop very distinct heritages.
because of its Christian cultural heritage.
Alright, I’ll give you Christian, but the English part is still just as important.
Which is when we started seeing the American vs English cultures go off in similar but ultimately very different directions and develop very distinct heritages.
No. There's a bigger difference between the red America and the left coasts inside the US, than between any of the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. And all four of those other countries have the same internal splits.
That's true, but it's also a relatively new development. As opposed to colonial times where the clear split between English and American began to become very apparent - which is what I was referring.
(One might also note that the more modern split evidences very pro- and anti-Christian divides, but the direct influence isn't as clear as that in the post-Norman Conquest.)
1 is false, it's a great nation because it was built on the premise of freedom and individual responsibility. The opposite of today's immigrants.
2. Also falls, they come because the want free stuff.
I should not have to bare the costs of your stupidity
It’s a nation of immigrants who, until recently, blended their yummy goodness into the stew. But they mostly wanted to be Americans.
Today, we have huge enclaves of ethnic isolationism, with huge swaths of the immigrant population living in places wherein their home countries are largely recreated. No English. No embracing of America. No wanting to be American. Just a bunch of people from some other place using the US as their place of work (or crime, or welfare).
Migrants are displaced by DEA & CIA agents, plus televangelical missionaries preaching dry, white prohibitionism and meek obeisance to the Methodist White Terror. The first Latin American country that repeals sumptuary law terrorism and allows Yanks to immigrate there will reap a fortune--just as Adam Smith predicted 249 years ago. Five'll getcha ten the huddled droves come rushing back to enjoy freedom at home.
Lots of Americans are now migrating to Mexico. It is really easy to get a resident permit there. It does help a lot to know Spanish.
"we have huge enclaves of ethnic isolationism"
We have always had that. I can point you to places in NY where signs are in Yiddish, and other places in NY where Polish, Italian, or Russian are the main languages you hear on the streets. It has been that way since the 19th century.
Interestingly, though, most of the third generation born on the mainland Puerto Ricans don't speak Spanish anymore and they blend into White completely. And they weren't immigrants; their ancestors just had to take a boat or plane here as the US Congress made them US citizens against their will.
The problem with that is how exactly do we sort the hard workers from the lazy ones? Take a look at each pair of hands and look for the calluses from hard work? That's a lot of hands and a lot of value judgements that have to be made with the threat of lawyers from both left and right hanging over every decision. I wouldn't want that job.
So Fiona is now officially simping for foreign debt slavery? Wow, that got dark quick.
I like this idea. I mean, the headline alone has me thinking of a perfect system.
To come here you just need a private sponsor. Someone willing to pay your fare and house and feed you. For that maybe you just commit a few years of your life to their service, say a decade or so. We could call it an indenture.
That way we could have private parties responsible, and able to reap the rewards of their investment in the most precious of human capital.
What could POSSIBLY go wrong with that?
https://twitter.com/MostlyPeacefull/status/1757448217082610008
(Just don't say it out loud!)
You know, if every illegal crossing the border was met by one of these good hearted and loving leftists who were to sign documents making these illiterate peasants who don't speak English into their wards thus taking full responsibility for them I think we could all agree that we can accept as many as these leftists are willing to take legal responsibility for.
Now, I think the best method would be the leftist must pay for a bond, $500,000 would be fair, revokeable to pay for public expenses if the bonded person fails in their promised duty to act as guardians for the immigrants they sponsored.
Then we can take in as many as these leftists are willing to sponsor with a bond. Let them put their money where their mouths are.
As soon as they apply for asylum they become legal residents. There is no cap on asylum applicants and they are not able to be turned away under current law.
I made the mistake of trying to read these comments without being logged in. It got a lot better once all the grey boxes came back, and I've only got half-a-dozen users muted (most notably Rev Kirkland, Misek, SQRLSY, for obvious reasons).
Yeah, being logged out shows you why newcomers or casuals hate the comments section. I have a few more than that blocked, but there's still long chains of responses to their stupidity that shows
The SANE, INTELLIGENT, AND BENEVOLENT newcomers or casuals hate the comments section here, because of a vast profusion of inane vitriol and lies dropped here by sore-in-the-cunt cuntsorevaturds!
What I find funny is how so many fall for the bait, get trapped and wind up on a thirty comment train of, "I know you are but what am i!" When I see 150 comments on the comments button I know there are only a dozen or two worth reading.
The original appeared in LA Times in 2008, but the link is dead:
Ana Puente was an infant with a liver disorder when her aunt brought her illegally to the U.S. to seek medical care. She underwent two liver transplants at UCLA Medical Center as a child in 1989 and a third in 1998, each paid for by the state.
But when Puente turned 21 last June, she aged out of her state-funded health insurance and was unable to continue treatment at UCLA.
This year, her liver began failing again and she was hospitalized at County-USC Medical Center. In her Medi-Cal application, a USC doctor wrote, "Her current clinical course is irreversible, progressive and will lead to death without another liver transplant." The application was denied.
The county gave her medication but does not have the resources to perform transplants.
Late last month Puente learned of another, little-known option for patients with certain healthcare needs. If she notified U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services that she was in the country illegally, state health officials might grant her full Medi-Cal coverage. Puente did so, her benefits were restored and she is now awaiting a fourth transplant at UCLA.
The average cost of a liver transplant and first-year follow-up is nearly $490,000, and anti-rejection medications can run more than $30,000 annually, according to the United Network for Organ Sharing, which oversees transplantation nationwide.
What does Ana say about her situation?</b?
"It doesn't matter if I'm undocumented," she said. "They should take care of me at UCLA for the rest of my life because I've been there since I was a baby."
And I have no problem treating her for the rest of her life. I am pro-life.
I am genuinely impressed at how philanthropic you are. And you must be really well off financially. To assume someone else's medical expenses - for life - out of your own pocket?
Kudos, brother. That is apex charity right there.
If this quasi-privatization idea is to be carried out, it shouldn't simply be one quiver in the open-borders bow, it should be accompanied by a crackdown in illegals (which the government is supposed to do anyway) and a reduction in the number of purely government-sponsored immigrants.
At the least have the sponsors give bond that the immigrant won't become a public charge - the bond amount probably wouldn't be enough to pay the immigrant's welfare, but maybe deport the public-charge immigrant?
We already had an essentially private method of immigration in centuries past, we just called it indentured servitude.
Which, in some fairness, is probably not as vile as some people think it is. It's also not as great as some other people think.
Frankly, it wasn't all that different than people hiring illegal aliens to be maids or day laborers except at least with indentured servitude there was a chance you'd become a citizen. In the modern framework they 'only' get paid orders of magnitude more for that labor than they could make in 100 years working in their home nation. (Obvious hyperbole, but also depends where they are from since it could actually be true for some places.)
Barf.
Thanks for offering up your barf!
I bet that I can arrange it on the wall, artistically and fartistically, and get me some awards and grants from the N.E.A.!!!
https://stacker.com/business-economy/some-strangest-projects-funded-taxpayer-dollars
"While some projects may look silly—like shrimp on a treadmill—scientists and artists have their reasons."
Shrimp on a treadmill cumming right up! I'll trade them to you for your barf!
The future of immigration is prohibition repeal. As soon as Warren Gamaliel swore to "faithfully" execute the Volstead and Harrison acts, Europe filled up with young Yank dividend-drawers. The first wave clogged the boats when attempts to teach Germany that prohibition is free trade backfired in 1914. The second was stranded when Hoover's prohibition enforcement drove stock and dividend amounts to zero. South America is again invaded by officious mystics eager to impose sumptuary abstinence at gunpoint. The result, more poverty and violence, looks sorta premeditated.