U.S. Begins To Talk Ceasefire
Plus: Catholic funeral for transgender activist, Donald Trump's props, deep tech in El Segundo, and more...

U.S. works to negotiate ceasefire: The United States, via a U.N. Security Council resolution, is urging a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas "as soon as practicable"—using ceasefire language for the first time—as well as rebuking Israel for plans to possibly invade Rafah.
"Until now, the United States alone has publicly and consistently rejected demands for an outright cease-fire in U.N. resolutions on the war in Gaza, siding with Israel in its war against Hamas," reports The New York Times.
The changed language "reflect[s] President [Joe] Biden's shift toward criticism of Israel's prosecution of the war and of its planned offensive into the southern Gaza city of Rafah," per the Times.
About half of Gaza's civilians are sheltering in Rafah, and an offensive there "would have serious implications for regional peace and security," per the language of the draft resolution.
Julian Assange returns to court: The WikiLeaks founder who has been held in London's Belmarsh prison since 2019, and whose lawyers have been fighting possible extradition to the U.S., will have his case return to court this week.
The two-day hearing will determine whether Assange has reached the end of his ability to appeal his case in the U.K. and whether he will be extradited to the U.S., where he faces a possible 175 years in prison if convicted of espionage charges.
Back in 2010 and 2011, WikiLeaks published thousands of documents leaked by whistleblower Chelsea Manning, who was at the time an Army intelligence analyst serving in Iraq. The documents brought information to light about civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan for which the U.S. military had been responsible.
In 2019, the U.S. Department of Justice charged Assange with 18 counts of violating the Espionage Act—a case with huge implications for press freedom, if Assange does in fact stand trial and receive a conviction.
For more on Assange's case, check out this conversation Zach Weissmueller and I had with Julian's wife, Stella:
Scenes from New York: The Roman Catholic Diocese of New York was duped into allowing a funeral mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral for a vocally atheist transgender activist.
"The cathedral only knew that family and friends were requesting a funeral Mass for a Catholic and had no idea our welcome and prayer would be degraded in such a sacrilegious and deceptive way," wrote Fr. Enrique Salvo—who is one of my priests (he splits his time between St. Patrick's Cathedral and the Basilica of St. Patrick's Old Cathedral, where I am a parishioner)—in a statement.
"The pews were packed with mourners, many of them transgender, who wore daring high-fashion outfits and cheered as eulogists led them in praying for transgender rights and access to gender-affirming health care," reported The New York Times. A video circulated of mourners approvingly calling the deceased "mother of all whores" inside the cathedral.
"Several mainstream media outlets had framed the event as a breakthrough occasion and a sign of the Catholic Church shifting its teaching—or at least its tone—on sexuality and human anthropology," reported Catholic News Agency. But many Catholics, contra mainstream reporting, feel as though the funeral made a mockery of our faith.
Both St. Patrick's in Midtown and Old St. Patrick's in Nolita are frequent targets for activist stunts due to the Catholic Church's positions on trans issues and abortion.
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U.S. works to negotiate ceasefire...
Looks like we sat in the right roadway.
I can see this being diplomatic pressure from Egypt.
Or our dear friend the President of Mexico, Abdul Fattah el-Sisi.
Well then we should make Mexico pay for it.
Is that why they are building the wall in Egypt?
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So the propaganda is that the US is calling for a ceasefire. Hahaha
The REAL story, absent from all mainstream news outlets here is:
“US vetoes Arab-backed UN resolution demanding ceasefire in Gaza
Vote in 15-member security council was 13-1 with UK abstaining, making it the US’s third veto of such a resolution”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/20/us-vetoes-un-resolution-ceasefire-israel-gaza
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Oh fuck you. I have to work and I don’t have all day to sit around on this forum like you all do.
LMAO.
It is an election year and Biden needs his base back.
And this year the base is all about Palestinian genocide. I guess we are over BLM and LBGQTRXYZ.
That crazy tranny in Texas was all about some Palestine.
More like Diplomatic pressure from zoomer voters. The elections, like winter, are coming.
Any chance we do the same in Ukraine, or is our master strategy to sacrifice every Ukrainian male that can be drug to the front lines before endorsing the inevitable agreement that gives Russia whatever it wants?
Isreal isn't laundering d money
Or ruins of US-funded corona virus "research" labs.
when will teh world request a Russian ceasefire, maybe to much money to be drained off yet
ha ha
I thought the article would be about the NATO Russian War.
Foolish of me. There will never be enough dead Slavs to satisfy the Ruling Reptiles. They will work to drown Russians in Ukrainian blood to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.
Fuck Judge Engoron
"Judge" Engoron
But not the law he rode in on?
The law was lawless - t. Constitution
ONS never saw a law he didn't like, especially those open to very wide interpretation.
Fuck that law too.
Was reading up more on this calculation. And it is dumber than originally thought.
The amount stems from loan rates with and without collateral. Recourse vs non recourse. The judge used a loan rate never intended to be used by Trump. The banks said they slashed the valuation he provided by 50% and Trumos known assets were far higher.
Then the next step was to estimate the costs of profit between buy and sale of the property. Of course interest on the loans goes into profit. So the judge used the profit which included lower loan costs. He assumed 100% of the profit in the calculation.
Basically the judge used 2x the delta between the recourse and non recourse loans.
This judge is a fucking idiot.
He’s a motivated partisan hack. He wanted to inflict the maximum damage on his target and didn’t care about the lack of a victim.
And thus the beauty of lawfare.
"This judge is a fucking idiot."
He knew exactly what he was doing. This is the Administration and Justice department's little plot. His shit-eating smirk was because he knows he's about to become a very wealthy man in his retirement. They won't pay him directly but there will be the book deal, and a seat on numerous well-paying boards and quangos, and million dollar speeches, etc.
He also demonstrated how "cultured" people do political conflict. None of that crass Trumpy stuff, with name-calling and open favoritism or firing.
Lawyers are not known for their prowess in math. Just look at congress.
Yeah however any particular property is appraised Trump's net worth obviously far exceeded the 125 million note in question. It was a no brainer for the banks.
the "reasoning" is irrelevant here.
The calculation wasn't all that complex.
https://babylonbee.com/news/judge-orders-trump-to-pay-whatever-amount-it-takes-to-bankrupt-campaign
Not an idiot.
A criminal. Another boot in the army of our dictatorship.
The two-day hearing will determine whether Assange has reached the end of his ability to appeal his case in the U.K. and whether he will be extradited to the U.S., where he faces a possible 175 years in prison if convicted of espionage charges.
So we're just going to ignore the sexual assault charges?
Er, yes. Why would we mention them, considering Sweden has dropped all of them (I don't think he was ever charged, actually), or in any case has decided not to pursue him for any reason.
What Liz did not mention was the Trump-era computer hacking charge in the original 2018 indictment, however. (And no, Trump's DoJ did not indict him on 18 Espionage Act charges in 2019--they added 17 such charges to the original computer hacking charge.)
One of the things I absolutely hate Trump on is the Assange and Snowden positions.
He was completely rooked by the CIA on those two. It'll hopefully be different now that he's realized Foggy Bottom aren't the good guys.
I hope you’re right, not that I expect to see him in the White House again. Given everything they’ve done over the last 8 years, there’s no way in hell these assholes are going to let that happen.
True. If they can't imprison him and get him off ballots, and they think he might clear their margin of fraud, they're going to kill him.
They have to. They've gone way to far and they know it.
Yeah, remember the days of free-swinging, free love Europeans not bound by the stifling mores of Evul Amerikkkun Puritanism and bureaucracy? Back when if you drugged and raped 13 yr. old girl, but were, say, a French-Polish film director, it was the boorish Americans' fault for not appreciating your art and cultural nuance.
Well, welcome to modern globalism. The days of "He got across the imaginary social construct, there's nothing we can legally do." have been replaced with the much more inclusive, virulent, and universal "Fuck you, that's why."
Both the EU, US, and the rest of the FVEY nations are in a not-so-subtle competition at this point to see who can be the most radical left institution on the planet at this point.
Lenin and Mao would certainly be proud that the western left has been happily accelerating all of their original programs since about 2008.
'The changed language "reflect[s] President [Joe] Biden's shift toward criticism of Israel's prosecution of the war and of its planned offensive into the southern Gaza city of Rafah," per the Times.'
I guess the DNC did the calculation and they can get more votes from Muslims than Jews.
I guess the DNC did the calculation and they can get more votes from Muslims than Jews.
But not more donation $.
I dunno. Rothschilds vs House of Saud?
The Rothschilds care about Jews like the Democrats care about Blacks.
As long as they have Soros and Bloomberg in the house, they should be okay.
They're walking a fine line. Trying to marry the stance that's is okay to kill Jewish people for being Jewish in Isreal with they're Jewish voters over here not wanting to be killed. Bayside they are trying to convince the locals that the hatred of Jews is going to stop at Isreal's border. It won't and it hasn't, but people are good at convincing themselves.
Such are the perils of building an Intersectionalist coalition.
I think it's more of an indication that it's a terrible strategy to build such coalition based off of the intersectionality. Trump has built a very diverse coalition, but almost none of it is based on hating the other parts of said coalition.
"people are good at convincing themselves."
Right.
Here's percentage of the Jewish vote given to the Democratic candidate in the last eight presidential elections (source):
- 1992 (Clinton): 80
- 1996 (Clinton): 78
- 2000 (Gore): 79
- 2004 (Kerry): 76
- 2008 (Obama): 78
- 2012 (Obama): 69
- 2016 (Clinton): 71
- 2020 (Biden): 68
Remarkable consistency! Biden could declare that Israel is committing genocide and war crimes, and start bombing them like we bombed Serbia in the 90's -- and he'd probably still get the majority of the Jewish vote!
Some ideas are baked in a culture.
For the Jews living in squalor in the shtetls of the Pale of Settlement in the late nineteen hundreds, socialism and left wing politics were perceived to be the salvation from the brutality of the Tsar. Hundreds of thousands of those Jews fled to America and took those ideas with them.
The Jews that remained had 80 years of Soviet brutality to disabuse them of the notion that socialism is salvation, but the American Jews never did. That's why you see such a difference between the politics of Ashkenazim in the rest of the world versus those in the US.
There are notable exceptions
https://jpfo.org/
It's interesting how distrust of the tsar manifested itself in the various minorities in Russia. The Jews tended to turn left while the Germans have tended to turn more right and libertarian.
"Late Nineteen Hundreds"?
While the Soviet Union was in squalor too, I think you meant Nineteenth Century Czarist Russia. Thirty-five years isn't much time to develop much of an ethos, much less one favoring a dead Marxist-Leninist ideology.
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Because politics is hereditary. Got it.
That’s not what he said liar.
Many Jews are just white liberals who had Jewish parents or grandparents. Someone like Sarah Michelle Gellar is counted as Jewish. They don't speak Hebrew, eat gefilte fish, or attend a synagogue.
White young progressives + muslims
"We're all Muslims now!"
“Finally, the shemagh I’ve been wearing for two decades to keep the desert sand my mouth and nose while I walk the streets of Seattle, Portland, Chicago, or NYC actually means something!”
Ackshuyally, that is the position of Islam about all humans at birth. According to the creed, we just forget over time unless consciously raised as Muslim.
Well, I don't recall being born with a scimitar and a dynamite vest.
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It's where the votes are located. Most of the Jewish vote is in states that will almost certainly vote blue ( New York) or red ( Florida) so keeping the Jewish voters happy is unimportant to the Biden Maladministration. Michigan is a different story as polls show Trump and Biden are close in an important swing state and Biden can I'll afford to lose Michigan if he is to have any hope of reelection and since the Muslim vote in Michigan is quite large losing that voting bloc would guarantee that Biden loses Michigan.
As they say in real estate the three most important things are location, location and location.
The Arabs typically vote Green when they don't vote Democrat, especially the ethno-marxist Palestinians.
Biden is only worried about them not voting for him. He really needs their votes to stand a chance in Michigan.
The changed language "reflect[s] President [Joe] Biden's shift toward criticism of Israel's prosecution of the war..."
The zoomer staffers protesting on his lawn got the attention of his millennials handlers?
Honestly, that’s probably true. We’re more and more seeing that the people who run the country aren’t elected or accountable.
Or very smart.
Or ethical.
...leaked by whistleblower Chelsea Manning, who was at the time an Army intelligence analyst serving in Iraq.
You can never trust a woman to keep a secret.
What is a woman?
Is Fist a biologist?
Not Bradley Manning.
Funny
What about transmen? They are proving better than women at everything, so maybe they can keep secrets.
The secret was strong enough for a man, but made for a woman.
I thought that was a backhand slap.
'The two-day hearing will determine whether Assange has reached the end of his ability to appeal his case in the U.K. and whether he will be extradited to the U.S., where he faces a possible 175 years in prison if convicted of espionage charges.'
Good thing we don't persecute political prisoners like Putin, right?
I don't think the Espionage Act charges will hold up, but the computer hacking charge seems pretty solid.
But, given the extradition treaty between the US and UK, there are only limited grounds upon which the UK can refuse the US' request for extradition.
In any case, Assange's absurd claim that he will be "disappeared" if he stands trial in the US has no basis in fact.
You really are a statist pile of shit, aren't you?
Well as Bill Barr explained, Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
Rendition and Guantanamoe Bay say otherwise. Highly unlikely, but once you open that door, defendants should certainly be allowed to make the claim in court and have the merits judged.
Or prosecute the opposition on trumped-up charges in kangaroo courts.
Certainly seems like a popular choice nowadays.
Rule of law was never popular.
The Roman Catholic Diocese of New York was duped into allowing a funeral mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral for a vocally atheist transgender activist.
Taken to heart that the Church is for sinners not saints.
Hey, there are sins and then there are SINS!!!
Trump has only committed venial sins in the state of New York.
Something tells me they weren't actually duped; the troon, who was a man and still won't be a woman even after joining the 41%, was feted as the "queen of whores" at the funeral.
St Patrick's cathedral literally going into Revelation territory there.
Scenes from New York: The Roman Catholic Diocese of New York was duped into allowing a funeral mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral for a vocally atheist transgender activist.
Well if God made man in "his" own image and God is a "he", then didn't God practice Transgenderism when "he" made Eve out of Adam's rib in "his" own image?
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By the bye, except for both make and female humans born with supernumerary ribs, both males and females have the same number of ribs, contrary to the bullshit taught to kids like me in Sunday School.
"The cathedral only knew that family and friends were requesting a funeral Mass for a Catholic and had no idea our welcome and prayer would be degraded in such a sacrilegious and deceptive way," wrote Fr. Enrique Salvo—who is one of my priests (he splits his time between St. Patrick's Cathedral and the Basilica of St. Patrick's Old Cathedral, where I am a parishioner)—in a statement.
"I am shocked, shocked that there are unbelievers in God who only attend our Church out of family and social pressure!"
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"The pews were packed with mourners, many of them transgender, who wore daring high-fashion outfits
How dare they do that! Only Big Papa and the Clergy can do that!
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A video circulated of mourners approvingly calling the deceased "mother of all whores" inside the cathedral.
According to some Pentecostals, those worshippers are giving the deceased the name of the Roman Catholic Church told in The Book of Revelation.
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But many Catholics, contra mainstream reporting, feel as though the funeral made a mockery of our faith.
"Our" faith? Is "Our" Liz a Catholic? And what's this "our" business, Kemosabe Squaw?
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You really need to put down the Skeptic's Annotated and do a little research yourself.
So what have I said here that is wrong?
By the way, folks, I still love Liz. Wise words and duck lips make her better than her professed religion.
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This shtick is tiresome and no one cares that you're angry at God. Get in line.
But he’s so edgy!
It takes a laser edge to slice through the fossilized bullshit which is religion. You don't have to be as beholden to it as you are.
I’m agnostic. You’re a bigot.
Religion is the tiresome thing and my anger is at the concept of God and the idiocy it spawns. And there's no line for it. Any place is good.
Which row were you sitting in?
Except maybe for funerals and weddings of maybe relatives, I wouldn't brighten the door of a house of worship and I'd never pray in one.
And I'd never do any kind of activism in a house of worship. A lack of bodies in a house of worship and a conversion of the building to other uses would be statement enough of what I want.
As of late September, I thought that (i) it had become too late for a full-fledged primary challenge to Biden, and (ii) Biden voluntarily announcing that he wouldn't run for a second term was a close call but probably failed a cost-benefit test for Democrats..."
Nate forgot that time moves in one direction.
Time isn't a flat circle?
The Democrats have ironically painted themselves into a corner here because the very nature of their primaries and candidate nominations prevents dark horse or alternative candidates from overtaking the establishment pick, thanks to the chaos of the 1968 convention, and then McGovern becoming the choice of dumb New Left 20-somethings in 1972 and subsequently getting his ass kicked.
The delegates are completely locked in, and even the superdelegates can't cast a vote until the second ballot at the convention if there's something relatively close like what happened with Hillary and Obama in 2008. That's why there was so much concern in 2020, before Clyburn signaled that the fix was in for Biden, that Bernie might have a plurality of delegates by the convention and his idiot Antifa 20-something supporters would cause another 1968 riot or 1972 election blowout.
Realistically, the DNC needs to figure out a way to convince the dementia-addled President that he actually served 8 years and sideline him in Delaware for the rest of his life, so they can get Newsom, Pritzker, or Buttigieg/Polis (to get a DEI checkbox) in play. I'm sure Harris is waiting in the wings for her shot, but she's just as unpopular as Biden right now.
If they somehow maneuvered Polis into the top spot, I wonder how many writers here would reluctantly vote for him.
He could honestly run as "I'm not Gavin Newsom" and get quite a bit of the left-center and neocon vote that way.
Fair point.
Candidate McDreamy.
Germany will decriminalize recreational weed this week, allowing adults to grow up to three plants and possess up to 25 grams of cannabis.
You know who else aimed to set arbitrary boundaries?
The Klingons?
King Arthur?
Winston Churchill?
The babysitter?
Dr. Fauci?
Hadrian?
Aaron Burr?
Obama?
A netminder?
'Both St. Patrick's in Midtown and Old St. Patrick's in Nolita are frequent targets for activist stunts due to the Catholic Church's positions on trans issues and abortion.'
When one flaky tribe full of delusional ideas fights another. Maybe Netflix series material?
Weird, they dont target mosques. I wonder what the difference is...
Survival instinct.
Didn't Frankie Goes To Hollywood sing about that?
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a point is all you can score.
The pews were packed with mourners, many of them transgender, who wore daring high-fashion outfits and cheered as eulogists led them in praying for transgender rights and access to gender-affirming health care
That's well into creepy cult territory.
That’s well into creepy cult territory.
I'm legitimately waiting for a mass murder/suicide event from these transgelicals.
But unless committed by a MAGA white guy, you will never hear about it.
Well, given their proclivity to mass shootings presently, it is coming.
Need to get that 41% up to 50%, at least.
Like Nashville? Or Colorado? Or Joel ostiens church?
Large investment groups are already announcing they will stop real estate investments in New York.
Grant Cardone
@GrantCardone
CardoneCapital just started to research real estate investments in New York believing it was time to get into the market.
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After the over reach by the judge in the Trump case & penalties imposed of $355M I told them team do NOT waste time in New York.
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We will 2X our efforts in:
Florida
Arizona
Texas
Tennessee
NY losing to Florida and even Arizona is bad enough, but Tennessee?
Nashville area is booming right now.
Hee Haw!
(I just enjoy the idea that Tennessee attracts more people and business than NY)
Ain't never hung out in the Catskills
But I've been to jail in Nashville
I'm pretty sure you convince urban Millennials and younger it was written about Hunter Biden. Get some no name performer like Olivery Anthony to play it on a resonator guitar or banjo or dulcimer and it would probably hit No. 1.
They are going to go the way of colorado
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That's gotta hurt!
Any step that hurts New York is a good step.
Flying got safer last year almost everywhere except Russia...
Aeroflot bought up all the out of service Boeing 737 MAX 8's?
With the new "fresh air" door plug feature.
Flying got safer last year
Remember three years ago when all the experts came out to say that inflation totally isn't happening?
TSA: See we stop mutinist generals from "playing" with grenades on flights. But if the radical Republicans don't pass the newest spending bill, well all bets are off.
We were safer because the 737 neos were grounded
'anger among native-born Americans that limited resources are being spent on migrants'
Hey, somebody has to pay for the elite's virtue porn.
But some of the problem, Demsas says, stems from the red-state governors busing migrants to these big cities in particular...
Almost like that was the fucking point.
It is kinda funny to watch the excuse making. The real question is how long until blue stars try to make it a crime to bus illegals into their state. I've got to imagine they'll try that before realigning their political plank of open borders.
National borders bad. State borders good.
If so, could we build a big, beautiful wall around California?
Why punish the inland counties? Keep that wall as close to the coast as possible.
Because of social distancing? Gotta Stop the Spread!
It's too late.
They already made it a crime to drop them off outside of certain times or places. Subject to seizure of the bus and fines for the driver.
So, better switch to sending them by plane.
"So, better switch to sending them by plane."
It's the Biden way.
They might have a point of discussion if we weren't allowing in and subsequently releasing millions of migrants. If it were just a few thousand and they were all bused to a blue city causing problems. The reality is that the volume in Chicago and NY at the moment are still a small percentage of the 8 million they have allowed in.
If they have a problem with it, they should try busing them somewhere else.
Or better yet don’t support open borders.
It's almost like being a sanctuary city isn't that much fun when actual immigrants show up.
Isn't that the point of virtue signalling? You can look good without having to do any real work.
Martha's Vineyard syndrome.
It's almost like they forgot that sanctuary cities status was originally about deporting criminals but sparing the victims from deportation.
I am old enough to remember when it was about protecting victims of and witnesses to crimes.
Biden moved more migrants around the country than Abbott only he flew them.
Probably by at least a factor of 10.
New study shows trans suicide rates do not decrease with surgery or pills. Only mental health help correlates to reduced rates.
Genspect
@genspect
NEW study in
@bmj_latest
on suicidality and gender dysphoria states:
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"Gender dysphoria per se does not seem to predict neither all-cause nor suicide mortality in gender-referred adolescents.
"Main predictor of mortality in this population is psychiatric morbidity, and medical gender reassignment does not have an impact on suicide risk."
https://twitter.com/genspect/status/1759316470675157409
Hmm, so indulging a crazy person in more crazy does not help?
Explains Trump...
Doesn't begin to explain TDS-addled shit-piles, TDS-addled shit-pile.
Considering that you were the one bringing Trump into this particular part of the conversation, it says more about your Trump obsession and you, than it does about Trump.
Seems it's a deep-seated jealousy; totally irrational and shows a willingness to believe outright lies: "Trump is a CRIMINAL!!!", in spite of being investigated for the last 8 years with not even an unpaid parking ticket.
Define how trump is "crazy" please. Give examples to support your work.
Yeah, why is it that if someone goes to a doctor and says "I identify as a quadriplegic, please sever my spine at C6." or "I identify as a double amputee, please take both legs above the knee." or "I feel like a blind person, please remove both eyes." we treat them as having a psychological problem that should be treated and NOT jumping up to do what they want.
But someone says, "I identify as a woman, please remove my penis and pump me full of hormones." some doctors say "Will next Tuesday work?"
Selective delusions?
...because you'll need meds for the rest of your life and plenty of medical intervention.
Massive money-maker for medicine.
Same reason why cosmetics are so behind this as well. Trying to double their market.
“I identify as a double amputee, please take both legs above the knee.” or “I feel like a blind person, please remove both eyes.” we treat them as having a psychological problem that should be treated and NOT jumping up to do what they want.
Wasn't there someone in the UK a few years ago that the doctors actually accommodated the former? Those people have gone WAY off the deep end on the cultural marxism for several years now.
Follow the money.
Missed opportunity mate. Doc should have replied "See You Next Tuesday!"
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Actual "mental health help" (not the therapist-shopping kind to get the "yes this person needs genitial mutilation and hormone injections, stat" letter) typically results in them realizing their issues weren't related to a dumb belief that they were "born in the wrong body," and they stop thinking they need to get Current Year Mengeles to carve them up.
That's why the troon lobby and their supporter activists in the medical industry (including the Pritzkers) want to de-emphasize that as much as possible, and focus on fast-tracking the stink-ditching instead.
New study shows trans suicide rates do not decrease with surgery or pills. Only mental health help correlates to reduced rates.
Not really news to some of us. Pretty much every other year since Windsor, the proportion of teens identifying as LGBTQIA has increased and their claims of attempted suicide rates have climbed. AFAIK, nobody has bothered to sort out actual the LGB from the Ts or other pathologies... rather specifically because the way the LGBTQIA community purged homosexuality from the DSM. To the point that dissociative or ego-dystonic homosexuality cannot generally be clinically diagnosed and/or treated and, moreover (and as expected), the same ideology is pushed on cultures that don't buy the bullshit.
So what's the easiest way to jack that number up to 100%? Asking for society
Rec center in poor neighborhood shut down to house illegals depriving kids who used center for sports. No downside. All profit.
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/roxbury-melnea-a-cass-recreational-community-center-migrants/
Don't those kids appreciate food trucks?
Poor people don't need sports when they have all that cultural enrichment.
Sigh...
Drug induced male breastfeeding is new subject of The Science.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/18/trans-womens-milk-as-good-as-breast-milk-says-nhs-trust/
Men even breastfeed better than women.
Take that feminists!
And we made fun of Caligula.
Didn't he eat his child, which he cut from the mother's womb?
A pro-choice hero?
Child? No, he just ate a clump of cells.
Obama's daughter trying to sneak past Nepo baby discourse by not using her last name.
Oh, God. She's an artist.
Hey, this is a good thing. The art world is a great place for the scions of politicians to sieve their time and efforts, rather than the business or political world, where they can fuck up other people's lives.
Hunter Biden, Ukraine on 101. To be fair if he only started as a struggling artist things would be better... shit now I've got the Czechs and Austrians calling me.
Hunter truly was a trailblazer.
Selling "art" is certainly way faster and more efficient that having to actually go places and make "speeches" for thousands of dollars.
But which is easier to sync with drunken, coked-out hookers?
"Oh, God. She’s an artist."
Just imagine --- Hunter is a more successful artist than she will ever be.
That must sting.
I'm sure her dad can funnel bribes by selling her art just as much as Hunter's dad did.
Eh, Obama doesn't need to funnel bribes that way. He enjoys giving speeches and showing up to dinner parties, and he's got enough of a cult following to give legitimacy to any money made that way.
'Obama's daughter trying to sneak past Nepo baby discourse by not using her last name. Bro you are Obama's Duaghter'
Yeah, but who is the mother?
Webb Hubbell
Chelsea's pop!
Taking a page out of Covid and using "health crisis" to subvert rights, Ohio dems declare guns a health crisis.
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/ohio-democrats-roll-out-gun-legislation
Good news is that Republicans have a super majority in both houses.
21st century rule: declare a crisis and then assume totalitarian powers. At this point at least 50% of the US population will obey. To support democracy.
In Kansas City on Wednesday, multiple media outlets reported one fatality and 11 of 22 people injured were children, as previously reported by The Center Square. More than a million people are estimated to have attended the event and security included about 1,000 police officers and FBI personnel.
999,998 people did not engage in gun violence, and 1,000 po-po's could not prevent it. Yet the American Communist party wants to fuck with concealed carry.
Cops still haven't identified the shooters so the only thing we know for sure is that they aren't white men.
Photos on the web show two young black gangsta types, with appropriate wardrobe. So probably fake.
Ann Coulter seemed to outrage Maher's audience by pointing that out.
...but it is 100% true.
They're minors, so protecting the identities is consistent, but if they were white, we'd have heard about it.
"The summit promoted five expected pieces of legislation, including:
• Keeping Our Survivors Safe Act.
• Declaring Gun Violence a Public Health Crisis.
• Commonsense Concealed Carry.
• Universal Background Checks Act.
• Ohio Task Force on Gun Violence."
KOSSA? UBCA? None of these make good acronyms. This whole thing is dead in the water.
Meanwhile, Colorado Democrats are busy trying to outlaw gun possession in just about every public and private place.
Colorado just needs to be called the Mass Shooting State now, even after all those dumb laws the Dems passed that they claimed would limit these incidents hasn't actually done so there. That fuckface Tom Sullivan is basically punishing every gun owner in Colorado for that psycho James Holmes shooting his kid.
Altitude-induced hypoxia, urban mass neurosis, and drug addiction is a hell of a combination.
But it’s totes Republicans who are the true threat to liberty.
Will the laws in question eliminate gang violence in the inner city?
Hahahaha
3,000+ fps to flatten the curve!
Correction that the transgender activist funeral was not a funeral mass since no communion/host. It was still a mockery.
U.S. works to negotiate ceasefire: The United States, via a U.N. Security Council resolution, is urging a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas "as soon as practicable"—using ceasefire language for the first time—as well as rebuking Israel for plans to possibly invade Rafah.
Israel has announced Rafah as the final stronghold for Hamas. Why is this administration so determined to allow Hamas to continue? Israel has basically said the war is over after they remove the final set of leaders.
No this is not support of funding Israel. It is support of them ending the war now instead of letting Hamas grow again and starting a new war a few years from now.
Hamas continues to attack Israeli population centers. They never stopped. Yet many on the left ignore this and demand Hamas survive.
"The changed language "reflect[s] President [Joe] Biden's shift toward criticism of Israel"
The change is 1000% that Biden knows most people who are pro-Israel are unlikely to vote for him anyways, but supporting the terrorists might get him the youth vote and maybe keep Michigan. There are no foreign policy or moral decisions involved here
Or that many Jews and Israel supporters will still vote for Joe, out of habit or reflex against Trump. Which is why Democrats are desperate to keep Trump viable, but damaged.
Ehh, I often don't believe Gouverneur when they pinky promise that this is the last one of anything. For Isreal's sake I hope it really is and they can take down Hamas. Something new will come to take it's place, but that will take time, which will save thousands of lives.
As soon as the last person who fled Isreal, when the Arab states attacked it, dies of old age. The claim that the citizens of Isreal have no right either live or self govern will lose its last gig lead in the international community.
Hamas's response to the talk about a ceasefire is that they won't agree to anything until Israel completely withdraws from Gaza.
So, that's their commitment to peace right there. They need to be rooted out and utterly destroyed. Their leaders and spokesmen hiding in exile in friendly foreign nations need to be eliminated as well.
That is a good point. Hamas has rejected every cease fire and were the last ones to violate it.
Aren’t they always the ones to violate the cease fires?
Only because Israel = apartheid, genocide, racists.
-mtrueman
God I hate that guy.
Yep, that's misconstrueman, always misconstruing the facts and the point.
"Why is this administration so determined to allow Hamas to continue? ... Hamas continues to attack Israeli population centers. They never stopped. Yet many on the left ignore this and demand Hamas survive."
The title of Dennis Prager's latest column is "It Takes a Morally Confused World to Be Anti-Israel." The answer to the question you posed is that "many on the left" (including "this administration") are morally confused.
Found a new term or art in WAPO today. "In-utero children".
It's in an article about Republicans not supporting pre-natal care.
Apparently, it will guilt Republicans more than "fetus" would.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/20/republicans-prenatal-care-pro-life/
They couldn't just use baby like every other person in the world?
Newspeak is a time-honored leftist tradition.
So is a total lack of logic and morality.
"See, Republicans are evil because they do not support funds for pre-natal care, while we Democrats are vastly superior since we will spend unlimited amounts to provide abortion services."
What happened to "a clump of cells"? Or do they only use that term when they want their way?
Correct.
“In-utero children”
As a Gen Xer, I feel I'm owed All Apologies for the cultural appropriation of my identity to defend every last Heart-Shaped Box or woman who cried Rape Me.
Sure it just doesn't smell like teen spirit?
Biden prefers it when it smells like [pre]teen spirit.
He likes to come as you are.
For the very first time ever, Jill Biden is starting to face actual scrutiny from the leftie media:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/02/18/historian_doug_brinkley_on_first_lady_jill_biden_she_likes_power_she_wants_some_sense_of_revenge.html
This is a line they VERY rarely cross. and it's so freaking obvious why this is happening now: they're becoming more and more desperate with each passing day to try to pressure Biden into stepping down voluntarily because they're absolutely terrified that he's going to lose.
Frankly, I've been wondering for a while now when people were going to start talking about what a nasty, venal piece of work she is. She has to be one of the worst mothers in America when you look at how completely fucked up and whacked out her entire family is, even by political standards.
Possibly getting ready to replace Sleepy Joe before November?
He's not capable of wiping his own ass. It will be harder than the Fed engineering a soft landing for the d's and media shills to replace him while not letting the rest of the believers in his brilliance know that they have been covering for a pantsshitter in chief for the last 4 years.
Jill Biden, America's own Elena Ceaușescu.
Edith Wilson II.
She agreed to him running when the cognitive decline was already obvious 4 fucking years ago. I can’t imagine putting my nana through the political meat grinder of a presidential run when her dementia had started to set in.
"Flying got safer last year almost everywhere except Russia," reports Bloomberg. Someone tell Tucker Carlson, who is possibly still wandering around a Russian grocery store, eyes wide with delight.
This is still an odd narrative to me. Why is it bad to talk about anything good on Russia? They arent some satanic evil. There are good things there a d they have a long history. Yes they have. More authoritarian government. But the US is giving them a run for their money with the latest sets of lawfare.
What is especially funny is Tucker at the start of his videos calls out that be doesn't support Stalin or Putin, that he is just showing some of the good there. He also calls out the people who will rage emotionally against his videos without any introspection of what is shown.
What is this need to force an enemy and deride everything about them? To many Muslims after the GWOT, they could do the same to the US.
It's particularly striking in contrast to Israel/Gaza where the US seems to be trying to take both sides.
Tucker is a sucker for Potemkin villages. How anyone who's been around as long as him could fall for Russian propaganda is the mystery.
I was recently telling a friend that I'm not a fan of Tucker's new Walter Duranty arc.
Well, Germany was "The Land of Poets and Philosophers" too.
And contrary to Tucker's fawning over trains and train stations, most Americans like their 200+ Horsepower of Haul-Ass surrounding them and taking them anywhere they want to go.
John Stossel has TDS and doesn't know shit about economics.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/18/opinion/the-mainstream-media-dont-treat-conservatives-and-libertarians-fairly-and-americans-have-noticed/
Milei is for free trade. He opposes protectionist interventions like tariffs.
Unlike Trump, he’s an economist who’s smart about economics.
He’s serious about shrinking the state.
Trump, by contrast, grew our national debt by $7.8 trillion.
Stossel = WEF Globalist Socialist to MAGA.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-12-13/argentinas-milei-to-seek-15-export-tax-hike-on-some-grains-source
You remain consistently ignorant.
Tariffs are taxes on imports, not exports, dummy.
Sayeth Wikipedia:
Interesting. The context is always taxes on imports so I wrongly assumed tariffs were taxes on imports only.
Regardless the subject was protectionism, and nothing in that article indicates that this is a protectionist measure.
Also it doesn't raise prices for domestic consumers, unlike the protectionist import taxes that Trump and Jesse promote.
"I was wrong but it's ultimately still Trump and Jesse's fault"
Never change, sunshine.
He is honestly one of the dumbest people here.
Think ill bookmark this for next time he claims he understands economics.
Grade this, Professor.
https://reason.com/2024/02/20/u-s-begins-to-talk-ceasefire/?comments=true#comment-10454194
I did. It is laughable you cry out for others to learn economics when you're so fucking ignorant on the topic.
You gish gallop with a few known facts and try to pretend you're an expert. Lol.
The context is youre always ignorant.
It is protectionist retard. It is to keep goods in the country to protect export of said goods to higher bidders. It reduces the number of applicable buyers of a resource. Reduce number of customers, what happens to prices?
Or maybe to get revenue from exports. Ever think of that?
Not all tariffs are protectionist.
Beautiful.
God damn youre retarded.
It is amazing how you’ve denied that retaliatory tariffs are different from protectionist tariffs for 3 years trying to attack trump to now pretending you know different types of tariffs exist.
Even below you see your ignorance on your cries for the return of the old conservatives despite them all using tariffs.
It makes your attacks against Trump look even more ignorant as it is based on concepts you dont fucking understand.
Now that you're done talking about me, do you have anything to say about what I said?
I did above. Youre fucking ignorant on the topic dummy. You rely on ignorance to justify your thoughts solely dependent on who you hate. This is one example.
You offer literally no posts of any value.
""Trump, by contrast, grew our national debt by $7.8 trillion.""
Most of that was passed by a dem controlled congress.
But some of the problem, Demsas says, stems from the red-state governors busing migrants to these big cities in particular: "When immigrants make their way to a city in an organic fashion, they usually are drawn to a place where they have family ties, job leads, or other connections and resources available. When they're resettled through an official government program, as the displaced Ukrainians were, the federal government coordinates with local governments to ensure a smooth transition."
Shorter: red states should bear the sole costs.
Hey guys, get them while they last! Trump Shoes!
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/19/1232438349/donald-trump-golden-high-top-sneakers
Only $399 a pair. Better grab a pair right away! Trump has legal bills to pay you know!
And this is totally not a grift or a scam. It is just Trump being an honest businessman.
How is his GoFundMe doing? I assume most of the commentariat has done their patriotic duty and contributed money.
Are you kidding? They are on the automatic donation plan.
That’s our resident collectivist. (Insert laugh track)
It’s his new favorite lie.
Donnie sure does have his hand out a lot for a "billionaire".
turd, the TDS addles ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You do realize that one gets to be a billionaire by selling something, right? What do you sell, child porn from your mother's basement?
Gold shoes? Looks terrible. Trump trying to pull in the sneaker-heads is a move I wouldn’t have seen coming, but he does love his merch so I guess it wasn’t an impossibility.
They sold out in 10 hours.
I'm surprised it even took that long since Trump himself was hocking them, but I can't imagine people were tripping over themselves so they could actually rock those things.
They're donation bonuses. Just like how other politicians give out a book for hitting 400 dollars.
But unlike some dry, self-serving book, stuff like this will appeal to his working class contingent.
How many pair did you buy?
Half as many as your copies of Dreams from My Father.
$399 isn't that ridiculous in the sneaker market, if they're good shoes. But these don't look like they're made to be worn, they're seemingly collectibles.
There's a surprisingly big collectors' market for sneakers. Came across a big show for them one day while going to the International Gem & Jewelry Show next door at a local convention center. The jewelry show had a decent crowd, but the sneaker show was a long line, out the door.
How dare he...market a product.
Capitalism is EVIL!!!!
So sayeth our resident true libertarians.
Poor Lying Jeffy, they sold out in hours lol.
How many pair did you buy?
Half as many as your copies of 'Promise Me, Dad'.
None, I’m not a sneaker guy. But I’m sure you’ll keep lying and saying I did. It’s what you do.
And whatever passed for chemjeff's brain leaked out years ago.
The real question is why would you NOT buy these?
Fan of trump? Awesome
hate trump? Ironically funny
Wow, 1000 pairs of shoes. Trump's gonna be rich now. Thanks for your insight as always, chemtard fatass collectivist.
Here's some welfare that our right-wing 'libertarians' can totally get behind.
https://www.kcur.org/2024-02-19/kansas-abortion-legislation-2024-crisis-pregnancy-center-child-support
And this is why having friends outside your bubble is important chemjeff. If so, you'd easily be able to see that the proponents of this program see this as a murder prevention program. It comes from a place of saving people from being killed by others.
And the people who promote Medicaid and SNAP also see those programs as intended to prevent poverty. It's still welfare.
You really don't see the difference between being murdered and poverty? Really truly? Not just making a stupid comparison for the sake of arguement?
Because if you don't feel like backing down now, I'm gong to bring this up in the future that you truly think people living in poverty are no better off than if they'd been murdered (a hilariously offensive take on the value of poor people's lives)
I see that those who promote those welfare schemes, both for crisis pregnancy centers and for Medicaid/SNAP, claim to have good intentions. Their good intentions don’t magically transform welfare into not-welfare.
you truly think people living in poverty are no better off than if they’d been murdered
Not what I said, but not surprised that this dishonest take is what you would use to try to defend your welfare scheme.
I’ll remember this exchange as where you finally declared that you are pro-welfare.
>>You really don’t see the difference between being murdered and poverty?
you have taken the unfortunate misstep of attempting discourse with this other poster.
Lying Jeffy managed to both be dishonest and accuse Illocust of being dishonest all in one response.
It’s truly an amazing skill, if you think about it.
Not really so much a skill as the fact that Creamjeff has no sense of shame.
Most Marxists don't. They see lies as a valid tool for the cause.
>>It’s truly an amazing skill, if you think about it.
yes it's why like once a month I also misstep.
Besides, we are told over and over again by the border restrictionist crowd that it is totally okay to kick out the 'illegals' and stop new migrants from entering the country because otherwise they just soak up welfare funds. So it should be a no-brainer to stop this Kansas welfare program. Why have more moms addicted to welfare?
Citizens enjoy an apriori preference from the government.
They always have, and it's immoral to say otherwise.
Our Declaration of Independence declares that every human being is endowed with a set of inalienable right. Every. Single. One.
The government having a preference for citizens does not mean that the government is justified in oppressing non-citizens.
The DOI isn't the law of the land.
And everyone fails to live up to their mission statement.
No it is not the law of the land, it is more like our foundational creed.
And everyone fails to live up to their mission statement.
So you are admitting finally that you don't believe in the concept of inalienable rights. Got it.
Do you support imprisonment in any conceivable fashion?
Do you support punishment after due process?
Do you support taxation?
Yes? Then you don't either.
Are you finally admitting that we should just have a one world government?
That's not the zinger you think it is. I would be fine with a one-world government organized along libertarian and federalist lines. Wouldn't you? Don't you think that it would be great if people who are genuinely being oppressed by their national governments could have some place to turn for redress?
“I would be fine with a one-world government"
Zero surprises there.
"organized along libertarian and federalist lines.”
I’d like to note that your ideas of what comports to libertarianism and federalism is radically different from the dictionary’s.
“Wouldn’t you?”
FUCK NO!!!
"I would be fine with a one-world government organized along libertarian and federalist lines. Wouldn’t you? "
No, because of how easily a government can slide from freedom to statism. One world government only exists in sci-fi, fantasy nonsense like star trek, etc for a reason.
With one world govt, you truly would have nowhere to escape to. Different governments in different geographical areas makes far more sense.
And, one world government under jeff's idea of libertarianism would be more like star trek goatee world.
So not government at the most local level, closest to the individual?
I notice that every single one of you who responded to me ignored my last sentence:
Don’t you think that it would be great if people who are genuinely being oppressed by their national governments could have some place to turn for redress?
That is because, ultimately, you don't give a shit about the oppressed people of the world. You only give a shit about yourself and your own rights and privileges.
Yes, yes, just keep lying about everyone else’s position. It’s working well for you, Lying Jeffy.
Do you think people might have ignored that part of your post because it doesn't make sense?
Wouldn't it be great if people could turn to a one-world government (singular) for redress against their national governments (plural).
Huh???
I would be fine with a one-world government organized along libertarian and federalist lines....
That is because, ultimately, you don’t give a shit about the oppressed people of the world. You only give a shit about yourself and your own rights and privileges.
That was the half the fucking point of the UN, you moron--to provide countries in the post-WW2 international construct with a forum to have their grievances addressed. It quickly got co-opted by oikophobic managerialists like Dag Hammarskold for their own political ends and utopian visions. The WEF functions in much the same way, serving as a training ground for the absolute worst of modern western politicians steeped in marxist theology.
Minarchists and libertarians tend to be suspicious of most centralized authority, especially at the global level. And yes, I absolutely put my rights and "privileges" (there's those lefty shibboleths you love to parrot) above those of the rest of the planet.
"you don’t give a shit about the oppressed people of the world. "
Jeff virtue signaling how much he "gives a shit."
In my dream libertopia, there wouldn't be a government, per se.
But here in the real world, it wouldn't take very long for the Putin's and the Clinton's of the world to seize control of that one world government and bend it to their will. So no, I would not like that.
Also, if there is a one world government, who the fuck are individual's supposed to turn to for redress?
"I notice that every single one of you who responded to me ignored my last sentence"
Because it was retarded wishcasting. There's less redress for the oppressed in empires.
If you don’t respond to every sentence of jeff’s contradictory ramblings, then you don’t give a shit about oppressed people.
Don’t you think that it would be great if people who are genuinely being oppressed by their national governments could have some place to turn for redress?
People should rely on themselves instead of waiting to be recused or running away. The oppressed must speak out, and then push back. If they sit there and take it, I am not going to bother to give a shit.
I would think a "radical" would understand that. I would think an "individualist" would encourage it.
You mean like the analogy between state governments and the federal government when it came to civil rights for minorities?
Yes, yes, just keep lying about everyone else’s position.
I learned it from you.
There’s less redress for the oppressed in empires.
Good thing that I didn't advocate for an empire.
But here in the real world, it wouldn’t take very long for the Putin’s and the Clinton’s of the world to seize control of that one world government and bend it to their will.
So only anarchism will satisfy you then? Because any just government has to be maintained and watched so that it remains just and not tyrannical.
Jeff virtue signaling how much he “gives a shit.”
Says the guy who openly agrees with Trump that migrants are vermin and "poison the blood of the country". Yeah we all know exactly what you think of "those people" and "their problems".
That was the half the fucking point of the UN
The UN was deliberately made weak and had no choice but to become just an impotent debate club. That is what all the people on the right who rage against the UN never seem to understand - they are raging literally against a paper tiger. The UN can't do anything substantive without US approval.
Minarchists and libertarians tend to be suspicious of most centralized authority, especially at the global level.
It's fine to be suspicious, but suspicion is not the same as outright rejection. After all what distinguishes libertarians from anarchists is that the former recognize the need for a state to protect rights. Right now, there is a whole lot of NAP violations by national governments against their own citizens going on across the planet. What exactly *is* the libertarian solution to that?
And yes, I absolutely put my rights and “privileges” (there’s those lefty shibboleths you love to parrot) above those of the rest of the planet.
Wait, the word 'privilege' is now a lefty word only? What about the "Privileges and Immunities" clause of the Constitution? Is that socialist Marxism? You're nuts. And yes we all know where you stand, fuck the foreigners.
See ML? This takes some sort of skill.
The UN was deliberately made weak and had no choice but to become just an impotent debate club.
The UN was the organization that fought the Norks during the Korean War, you stupid fuck. It was hardly "weak" in its early days because it had the US at the forefront of the Security Council, while Britain and France hadn't yet fully declined as colonial powers yet.
This assertion that it was "deliberately made weak" is ahistorical nonsense spoken in the aftermath of GWOT when it fully became the joke that it currently is today.
It’s fine to be suspicious, but suspicion is not the same as outright rejection. After all what distinguishes libertarians from anarchists is that the former recognize the need for a state to protect rights.
Which is not the same as a centralized international organization.
Wait, the word ‘privilege’ is now a lefty word only? What about the “Privileges and Immunities” clause of the Constitution? Is that socialist Marxism? You’re nuts. And yes we all know where you stand, fuck the foreigners.
Oh, this is where you throw in a non-sequiter after your bullshit went pear-shaped. Fuck off, fat boy.
Who said anything about unalienable rights? Oh, that’s right, no one. You’re just being dishonest. It’s what you do.
Inalienable.
You had it right the first time.
I was hacked by Tulpa.
Lord help me, I have missed this place the last 6 months.
Maybe if Kansas had fewer abortions, they wouldn't need to import immigrants?
Depends. Are the women Democrat voters, or no?
If they vote Democrat, they should be steered to Planned Parenthood for an abortion immediately. Can't have these people reproducing, demographic collapse is the best option.
Lots of kids of politically active parents (on either side) rebel and join the complete opposite side. That may not have the effect you think it would.
Then does that mean your parents were actual libertarians who completely distrusted the state, and your rebellion is to become a statist?
Lots of kids do lots of things, and the whole Roe period is elegant proof that your assertion was pulled out of your ass.
You mean, the whole 'Roe' period which produced the conditions necessary to end the 'Roe' period?
Nice circular reasoning, fat boy.
So, Idaho is asking SCOTUS to affirm their ban on gender-affirming care.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/19/politics/idaho-supreme-court-transgender-care/index.html
It is not noteworthy that a deep red state is banning this. What is noteworthy IMO is the way they are doing this. They are going after the doctors. This is similar to how they ban or severely restrict abortion - they go after the doctors. They aren't going after the parents of transgender kids, or the women trying to seek abortion. Why not?
If you are correct and 'gender affirming care' is no different than mutilating children, then the parents who affirmatively consent to such treatment are guilty of child abuse, no? Why not throw them in jail too?
If you are correct and abortion equals murder, then the woman seeking abortion is attempting murder, no? Why not throw her in jail too?
I thought conversion therapy was already banned in all 50 states. I remember a Reason article about it a year or two ago when the last state (I think it was Maine) banned it.
They are going after the doctors. This is similar to how they ban or severely restrict abortion – they go after the doctors. They aren’t going after the parents of transgender kids, or the women trying to seek abortion. Why not?
Because government bans things using the Commerce Clause. They don't make it illegal for you or me to buy this or that, they make it illegal for someone to sell it. Has the same effect, but they can say they're protecting the people instead of restricting the people.
Federal government uses the Commerce Clause (almost entirely supported by some rather dodgy historical Supreme Court decisions). State governments, not so much.
What's more important, preventing someone from being harmed in the first place, or punishing the perp afterwards? You know the answer.
You seriously need to get off political boards and make real life friends with different opinions than your own.
You are discussing strategy, not principle. Even if we were to agree that it is a good strategy to prosecute doctors in order to stop the 'murder' of abortion, *in principle*, the woman is still attempting murder for her decision to get an abortion, no?
The main principle is children shouldn't be hurt unnecessarily. Which you would know, if you tried to get out of your bubble instead of assuming that you already know everyone else's positions because people inside your bubble told you what those other people believe.
Also you should be aware that if you have more than one principle, there is going to be conflict between them in edge cases. Some principles are going to be deemed more important than others and some principle conflicts are going to be resolved by a third principle.
Again you are framing the principle as "protecting kids", as Mike Parsons does below. I find that interesting. I thought the idea was for the state to punish violations of rights.
The state exists to protect the rights of its citizens AND to punish those who violate said rights?
Spiiiiiinnnnn Lying Jeffy!
He's the Wheel of Misfortune.
"“protecting kids”, as Mike Parsons does below."
Protecting them from having their bodies and rights violated by their parents.
This isnt hard, unless you have the desire to violate the bodies and rights of children, Jeffy
And that is the emotional manipulation that your team constantly trades in. "Either you support my proposal to 'protect kids' or you are in favor of child abuse!"
Ya, my side is using the emotional manipulation not the "if you dont let me transition my young child you are literally killing them and also committing trans genocide" side
Try again Jeffy. And please respond to the pedophilia question
No, your team absolutely uses emotional manipulation. It is the same as when Team Blue does the same thing "for the sake of the children".
"For the sake of the children, we must give them free things, and if you disagree you hate children" - Team Blue
"For the sake of the children, we must make narrow rules on how parents must treat kids, and if you disagree you hate children" - Team Red
It's just two sides of the same coin.
"You are discussing strategy, not principle."
The two can align. If the principle is that we have decided to protect kids, then if targeting the doctors directly mutilating them (rather than the parents indirectly doing it) produces the greatest effect, then the end result pushes the principle forward.
Kids, especially young kids, cant consent to this kind of stuff. An adult who pushed this stuff is abusing them. So I am personally fine with charging them as if they abused the child physically or sexually.
I thought the principle was to punish violations of rights, not to "protect kids" per se. If you think the principle is that the state has a duty to "protect kids" then that certainly explains a lot of the right-wing culture war. Kick the drag queens out of public spaces, because kids might see them! Take the edgy books out of public libraries because kids might see them even if their parents don't mind!
So no I don't think the principle ought to be that the state has a duty to "protect kids". That is the parents' duty.
"So no I don’t think the principle ought to be that the state has a duty to “protect kids”. That is the parents’ duty."
Your position doesn't work morally for a whole host of scenarios, but ill skip all the boring grey area (but relevant) ones and just go for the gusto:
Child and parent agree they want to be sexually active together. How does your hands off "no ones rights were violated" where everyone got what they 'wanted' work here. In fact, based on your principle pedophilia and incest shouldn't be illegal, am I correct?
How about this:
Child and parent agree that child can have a glass of wine with dinner. But the state barges in and arrests the parent and takes the child away from the parent in order to "protect" the child. In fact, based on your principle, parents have no authority and all parenting is done by the state, am I correct?
Answer my question please, dont deflect with a weaksauce example that is different in scale in terms of consequences by many orders of magnitude.
Should parents and their kids be allowed to have sex if they all consent to it? Based on your principles, yes or no
Should the state send parents to jail if they give their kids a glass of wine at dinner?
You are taking an extreme example purposefully in order to demagogue the issue. That is my point.
We can either argue in good faith and acknowledge that there are gray areas for which there is no clear answer, or we can continue to lob extreme examples at each other in order to provoke a gotcha moment. Your call.
I say it should be based on severity and how damaging it is to the child.
Glass of wine, fine. Syringe of heroine? Jail
So, how about the incest Jeff? You are cool with it right?
" in order to provoke a gotcha moment. "
I already got it. You have produced plenty of other comments and answers to mine without answering the very simple and straightforward "Yes, pedophilia and incest should be illegal"
Your inability to answer the question is the gotcha
Oh fuck you. I have to work and I don't have all day to sit around on this forum like you all do.
Pedophilia and incest should be illegal not because of 'harm', but because kids are unable to consent. "But, what about when kids refuse to eat their vegetables? They don't consent to that either, is forcing them to eat vegetables a violation of their rights?" No, because parents ALSO have a duty to properly raise their kids and meet their basic needs.
"“But, what about when kids refuse to eat their vegetables? They don’t consent to that either, is forcing them to eat vegetables a violation of their rights?”"
- not analagous, we are talking previously about situations where kids *cant* consent based on mental capacity but *DO* consent based on their desires of the moment. Forcing a wanna be trans kid to eat vegetables is something they *dont* consent to but also, does no harm and objective good. Acquiescing to their desire for hormone therapy is something they *do* consent to, but cant mentally comprehend the actual damage that is about to be done as a result, and it is an objectively destructive thing....
...
...please dont try your hand at analogy any more, this was an absolute step on dick fact plant in the mud situation for you
...moving on
"Pedophilia and incest should be illegal not because of ‘harm’, but because kids are unable to consent."
As they arent able to consent to hormone therapy. They cannot possibly comprehend the consequences. Thanks for making my point for me
Haha, Lying Jeffy just compared having a glass of wine with dinner to castration! You can’t make this shit up.
Is that why Sarc now sounds like a whiny bitch?
Now?
“I thought the principle was to punish violations of rights, not to “protect kids” per se.”
See, this has to be dishonesty. No way Lying Jeffy is this dense.
Wait wait wait. I thought you were supposed to be more libertarian than me. How can you say that the purpose of the state is not to protect rights?
Lol, I didn’t say that. Another lie from Lying Jeffy.
Yeah I didn't think you were a real libertarian. How many pairs of Trump sneakers did you buy?
R Mac 26 mins ago
None, I’m not a sneaker guy. But I’m sure you’ll keep lying and saying I did. It’s what you do.
Haha, thanks Lying Jeffy. You’re a real peach.
Keep it up, continue to demonstrate you are not a libertarian just another right-wing troll.
How does pointing out you lie about me buying tennis shoes make me not a libertarian?
How is it that you can so devalue the word 'lie' so much as to make the word useless?
And by the way. In real life I have right-leaning friends and I have left-leaning friends. That is why I believe that neither right-wing nor left-wing people are inherently evil monsters, as they are so often portrayed to be. It's a lot of the people around here, who very clearly only hang out among like-minded people, who need to step out of their bubbles and realize that liberals are not fire-breathing monsters.
It’s a lot of the people around here, who very clearly only hang out among like-minded people, who need to step out of their bubbles and realize that liberals are not fire-breathing monsters.
Or, I know a lot of left-wingers through professional association, and know just how monstrous they actually are when they think they're around other left-wingers.
Oh, I see. Do they advocate for murdering right-wingers, the way many commenters here advocate for murdering left-wingers? Do they fantasize about starting the next civil war?
Jeff, you have used dehumanizing language-of-genocide numerous times here. Stop pretending to be above the fray.
Please post where I have advocated for murdering political opponents.
I am not talking about 'dehumanizing language'. I am talking about literal murder.
You've said repeatedly that using dehumanizing language is a gateway to genocide. But when you use dehumanizing language it's not a gateway to genocide?
Jeff is Sarc's top how-to-think student.
It’s really amazing since they became best buds that sarc has become much more dishonest and Lying Jeffy has become a broken rager.
Hey fuckhead, dehumanizing language used BY PEOPLE WITH POWER, against ENTIRE GROUPS OF PEOPLE, is the problem here.
If I or anyone else calls Tucker Carlson a bag of slime, no one is in danger of being genocided.
But if Trump or some other demagogue, who has power and influence, keeps telling people over and over and over again that this one group of people are vermin and are not even human, then that is when we are in the danger zone.
This explains why you criticize Trump, who is not currently the president, for such language, but not the actual president for his inflammatory language against your political enemies.
But we all know why. Because you actually see conservatives as subhuman and you’re a leftist that defends leftists.
Hey look at you being dishonest. 'dehumanizing' is not the same as 'inflammatory'. Good job at moving the goalposts there, troll
Because you actually see conservatives as subhuman and you’re a leftist that defends leftists.
Three lies in one sentence!
Not a leftist? Since when?
Please give us some examples of some of your policy preferences that you would consider centrist or even right-wing.
He did it just a few days ago. Jeff and sarc are uber hypocrites. Quite amusing.
Oh, I see. Do they advocate for murdering right-wingers, the way many commenters here advocate for murdering left-wingers? Do they fantasize about starting the next civil war?
Yes. I told you, these people take the filter off when they think they're solely among their own kind. But it's useful to pretend to be one of them in those settings, so I know what the enemy is discussing.
But there's plenty of that shit on social media, too.
James Hodgkinson
Ive got far left as well as reliable DNC establishment family, and know plenty bleeding hearts both from school and still a couple friends to this day where we agree to not talk politics.
When some of these people go ham debating 'culture war' stuff they say some of the worst shit ive heard. One of them, on multiple occasions, is known for starting with the sentence "listen, so this is going to sound very 'Eugenics-ey'..."
I am sorry that you are related to the left-wing version of Misek.
push a progressive on abortion for more than 5 minutes and the same sentiment comes out, they just word it more carefully.
when they think no one (critical) is listening? watch out
Oh, so that is no different than when right-wingers around here discuss immigration - it is not long before it comes out that, deep down, they think that the migrants are inferior and that it is okay if the military shoots them at the border.
but that's WhAtaBoUtiSm!
It’s also a lie.
Misek is left-wing.
*Insert Pam meme*
"It's the same picture"
"liberals are not fire-breathing monsters"
Have you ever seen a liberal and a dragon in the same room? Didn't think so.
If you are correct and ‘gender affirming care’ is no different than mutilating children, then the parents who affirmatively consent to such treatment are guilty of child abuse, no? Why not throw them in jail too?
If you are correct and abortion equals murder, then the woman seeking abortion is attempting murder, no? Why not throw her in jail too?
Child mutilation and in utero infanticide cannot be committed without a "doctor". You know, the monster wielding the knife.
Child mutilation and in utero infanticide cannot be committed without a “doctor”.
Sure they can. It's just messier without a doctor.
if you think a woman needs a doctor to abort, then you might be moron ignorant of the fact that it was done for most of human history. they go to the doctor because that is the safest way, not because it is necessary.
Ok, it is possible for a woman to abort, but American women aren't capable of this, the rest of human history is irrelevant.
I see you intentionally omitted the child mutilation portion.
"....but American women aren’t capable of this....."
they can't google or read a book? that has to be the stupidest attempt to minimize admitting you were wrong i have ever seen.
"I see you intentionally omitted the child mutilation portion."
i see you are a blind partisan unable to process anything independently from the full narrative. ok, fine..... go see how easy it is to buy hormone supplements and blockers. (they are available over the counter.) for children, that is all they do, no matter how much more fun it is for you to say "mutilation." you assertion is even stupider for this than it was for abortion.
for children, that is all they do, no matter how much more fun it is for you to say “mutilation.”
Not fun at all you fucking groomer.
The World Professional Association for Transgender Health said hormones could be started at age 14, two years earlier than the group’s previous advice, and some surgeries done at age 15 or 17, a year or so earlier than previous guidance. The group acknowledged potential risks but said it is unethical and harmful to withhold early treatment.
https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guidelines-9dbe54f670a3a0f5f2831c2bf14f9bbb
hahahaha.... you stupid fucks are so divorced from reality. some transgender group changes their "guidelines" for "some" surgeries and you think that means they are lopping off little boys wangs left and right........ they are not. if you bothered to read what you posted, you would learn that the surgeries they are talking about are elective mastectomies..... which are not exclusively gender affirming care, so your stupid little laws can easily be bypassed for them.
the fact remains that gender affirming care for minors is just hormone therapies..... shit they can buy off amazon. shit they can do without a doctor. shit that you would be going after the parents for if your assertions of "murder" and "child abuse" had any validity. you expose your bullshit by trying to justify going after only the doctors.
I've always thought that "Dreamers"--who had no say in being dragged into the US illegally by their parents deserved some sympathy. Contrarywise, I've thought that once Dreamers sign up for their benefits, we ought to grab up the parents--who came here fully knowing they were breaking the law--and deport them.
Maybe. And how about residency without any promise of citizenship?
And how about residency without any promise of citizenship?
THAT is how you create a permanent underclass.
Doctors are the ones performing the butchery and providing the drugs for the butchery.
It's their job to say no to asinine things.
....but they do not because the money is great if you can get somebody young hit with a need for drugs every day for the rest of their lives.
Oh yes, the whole "evil profit motive" argument.
First, you are just wrong. Abortion doctors are among the lowest paid among medical doctors.
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Medical-Doctor-Salary
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Abortion-Doctor-Salary
Average for medical doctors: $273k
Average for abortion doctors: $76k
Second, even if the doctors are making money, so what? The profit motive is evil now?
I know. It's not like the abortion doctors were trying to sell $400 gold shoes online, or anything like that.
Quite a few bits of poor reasoning here.
1- butchery and providing the drugs for the butchery. - reference to gender transitioning and HRT. This is not related to 'abortion doctors' and importantly, is all elective. The pattern is double mastectomy (elective, plastic surgery) followed by expensive patented drugs (elective). All of these things are very large revenue generators
2- Even if he was referencing abortion, 'abortion doctors' are OBGYNs who have normal practice and do abortion procedures as part of it.
3- Even the lowest paid OBGYNS that work part time would easily clear over 100k. Dont get your info from zip recruiter. Physicians that do procedures are reimbursed higher than office docs.
Your point is 5-6 degrees of separation from a rational argument. You just skewered a strawman in the wrong field on the wrong planet
The 'evil profit motive' rationale is stupid coming from people who claim to support capitalism and free market economics. It is a fake argument coming from your team motivated more by assuming doctors are evil monsters chopping off people's body parts for pure profits like some inhuman ghoul.
*If the judges will please note the goal posts were moved 15 yards to the left after the kicker tripped on his dick and landed in a pile of his own bullshit*
You posted nonsense that didnt track, take the L and keep a little bit of dignity
...except they are doing precisely that. Nothing indicates a reduction in suicide rates with the butchery.
So, Idaho is asking SCOTUS to affirm their ban on
gender-affirming care.permanent mutilation of children who can't even consent to a tattooFixed that for you you freakin psycho
He's one upping even himself. He doesn't think pedophilia and incest should be illegal because it should be the parents choice and the government should defer to the parents.
lie
ill give you a whiff of credit: after 8 hours and skipping over my responses to reply to multiple other people, you finally realized your position was so bizarre and off base that you came back to half walk it back. Maybe this hill wasnt the one to die on?...thats probably for the best
Gratz, you are only a half pedo now
In most places, kids can get a tattoo with parental consent.
honestly, as they should be able to.
A tattoo doesnt alter one's puberty, mental state, and trajectory in life (well, arguable at least), and therefore shouldnt be an issue, imo
I will say that face tattoos should still be regulated, however
Hormone blockers however are statistically shown to put kids on a path to misery, depression, and most likely suicide
How evil is Jeff's Gender- Affirming care? Let's talk to someone who went through the process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doaHPFWEa7E
Well well well. Republicans in Wisconsin were backed into a corner and forced to sign new legislative maps that the Democratic governor wanted.
https://apnews.com/video/wisconsin-courts-u-s-republican-party-u-s-democratic-party-redistricting-b52ba96168a64fe999a87cf5f8885fae
My understanding is that they did this in order to avoid having "worse" maps imposed upon them by the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
Interestingly, the Republican maps that the Wisconsin SC evaluated were all determined to be highly gerrymandered. They didn't even try to present a fair map.
I am sure Jesse will be along shortly to defend why having legislators pick their voters via gerrymandering is totally fine.
Gerrymandering doesn't matter, because ultimately it only works if there already exists a population in that location that supports given party X. So long as that group exists, there's nothing you can do to fix it.
Yes we know. One-party rule is okay if your team does it.
You can't fix uniparty rules by forcing people to be represented by someone else.
forcing people to be represented by someone else
That is what gerrymandering does.
No, gerrymandering is setting one's self up using a preexisting populace to get one's self elected.
It utterly fails otherwise.
And that's why you never complain when Democrats do it.
I am opposed to all gerrymandering. I have spoken in favor of having multi-member districts, ranked choice voting, any number of innovations to get rid of the stupid system that we have now.
Gerrymandering is changing the "location" to suit.
About a third of the voters identify as independent or something other than major party.
But somehow every fucking discussion about districting is about how to divide 100% of the seats “fairly” between Republicans and Democrats.
I'll stop believing the court cases are completely corrupt on both sides when the interests of independents are explicitly part of the equation.
But gerrymandering to create majority black districts is A-OKAY!
Mandatory.
Wisconsin is where the Democrats specifically targeted their SC so they could overturn the halfway decent things the Republican legislature had managed to do over the previous 5-10 years isn’t it?
Are you against gerrymandering?
If so, then how would you create districts? Do you support party-blind methods?
If not, because perhaps of "fairness", how do you reconcile attempts to simultaneously draw super-majority minority districts (to guarantee a minority rep) and spreading minority voters across multiple districts to get 50% plus 1, and elect more minority reps?
Are you against gerrymandering?
Yes.
If so, then how would you create districts? Do you support party-blind methods?
Who said there have to be districts?
"Who said there have to be districts?"
Congress, in 1967 and numerous times previous to that.
Supposing a Congress elected by the current method could be persuaded to change, what method did you have in mind?
State-wide slates of candidates elected via proportional representation?
The basic idea is this: Suppose a state is allocated 10 representatives in the House. Each party would then run a slate of 10 candidates. If for example there were three parties, and the vote by party split 60/30/10, then 6 candidates from the first party, 3 candidates from the second party, and 1 candidate from the third party would be elected. That is the basic idea.
On the surface, that doesn’t sound like a horrible idea.
Your idea screws those of us who want to vote for *people* rather than cartels.
We need to be working on methods that weaken party discipline, rather than strengthen it. I'd go for the reverse: remove party labels from ballots; ballot access always individual rather than party based; and a general non-recognition of any "rights" for parties other than the individually held and individually exercised rights of the voters making up the party.
“Your idea screws those of us who want to vote for *people* rather than cartels.”
That’s the individualist in him.
Wouldn't that just lead to a weak candidate legally changing his name to that of the leading candidate? I see a scenario similar to the beginning plot of the movie The Distinguished Gentleman.
half joking
The system above doesn't preclude your scenario.
Another version is more complicated, but permits voters to vote for individual candidates directly. It is basically the German model.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_system_of_Germany
It still has districts, but the influence of the districting process is diluted as voters vote both for individual representatives and for a slate of candidates.
Removing party labels only serves to make political factionalism more opaque to the low-information voter.
Isn't that how things are done in a Westminster type government?
Can you explain how any of this is better than districts. It replaces the problems of gerrymandering with a different set of problems.
Different yes, better... how???
It replaces the problems of gerrymandering with a different set of problems.
No system is perfect, everything has a tradeoff.
Different yes, better… how???
As I said, it means voters choose the legislators, and not the other way around. That IMO is better.
....except elected partisan judges replace legislators involving maps.
Not an improvement
So, in conclusion, Lying Jeffy wants a one-world government with two parties and everyone gets to vote for one of them.
So in conclusion, you lie.
"Interestingly, the Republican maps that the Wisconsin SC evaluated were all determined to be highly gerrymandered."
You'd think the WI SC was an impartial branch and not decided by partisan elections.
You'd be wrong, but you'd think that.
"Progressive justices dislike map drawn up by Republicans". Truly stunning.
Wow, even the pro-Trump Daily Mail ran the historian poll that ranked Donnie dead last among all presidents:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13100461/presidenti-joe-biden-poll-greatest-president-trump-lincoln.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop
#DeadLastLoserDonnie
When did the Daily Mail become pro-Trump?
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/daily-mail
Best tabloid format around though. I don't care about bias. Much better than Bratfart is.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
They're somewhat conservative. True. But Trump isn't conservative.
That goes to show you how far left the Democrats have gone when Trump is viewed as "conservative".
That goes to show how far left the Republicans have gone when a lifelong Democrat is viewed as a far-right conservative.
Just because conservatives voted for him, doesn’t mean they think he’s a conservative too.
Well he's taken the GOP for a hard left turn on economic issues, which is kind of ironic considering the hatred so many of his followers have for the political left.
It makes more sense when you realize that the Democrats are the party of elitist, white women, and government apparatchiks (their actual base) and abandoned working class people 15 years ago.
Working class people hated Clinton for signing NAFTA and for the increased regulations that helped push more manufacturing overseas. It was only natural they would gravitate towards whoever was at least pretending to listen to their complaints.
I wish more people knew more about economics.
The US is a manufacturing powerhouse. Manufacturing productivity is through the roof. Manufacturing employment not so much. That’s because we’re rich enough to have huge capital investments that make workers much more productive, requiring fewer of them per unit of output (same with farming for example, which once employed 90% of Americans). The jobs that are going overseas are the ones that we had when we weren’t as rich as we are now. The countries that have those jobs will offshore them when they get rich enough. That’s what happens with textiles for example. Shirts are made in this poor country until they get too rich for those crappy jobs, so the production moves to a different poor country. We used to make shirts.
I wish more people knew more about economics.
Lol. Oh the irony.
The point out what is wrong with my statement, oh expert in economics.
I know we do a lot of the higher end manufacturing here. A lot that requires less workers thanks to increases in efficiency, automation, and robotics. That's exactly my point though. A lot of those people feel as though they got left behind. Take a tour of the rust belt and you'll see that in many cases, they did.
FWIW, I don't know what the solution is, just pointing out how the demographics have shifted.
FWIW, I don’t know what the solution is, just pointing out how the demographics have shifted.
There isn’t a solution. It’s just progress. What’s the difference between people being put out of work by a machine that can do it more cheaply, or foreigners? There really isn’t a difference. What’s the difference between tariffs and smashing machines?
If you think smashing machines is absurd, then you should think protectionist tariffs are equally absurd.
Used to argue with Tony over the difference between taxes to fund courts and the military and such, and taxes to punish rich people and transfer money from Peter to Paul.
He didn't see a difference.
When I say there's a difference between tariffs for revenue and tariffs for protectionism, a certain person does a Tony and claims there's no difference.
When I say there’s a difference between tariffs for revenue and tariffs for protectionism, a certain person does a Tony and claims there’s no difference.
I give up. I can't find where you said that. Were you just creating an extra strawman in case you need one later?
I'll try again.
Which GOP president didn't utilize tariffs or other powers sarc? I know you rely on ignorance, but your definition of conservative isn't actually reality.
What you call conservative is neocon with ignorance to their actual policies and actions.
When you equate any and all tariffs with protectionism, are you being dishonest or stupid?
Sarc, how retarded are you? I’ve never claimed all tariffs are protective you retarded lying fuck. I’ve differentiated them for years while you ranted with your bumper sticker slogans.
What a lying piece of shit you are.
You also refuse to answer a simple question that shows your ignorance.
Is it a "hard left turn"? It's more of an anti-globalist bent versus the globalist Democrats.
No. It's a rejection of laissez faire economics and classical liberal principles.
He’s never been homeless. You have.
Your views on economics mean nothing.
Being anti-globalism isn't necessarily anti-laissez faire.
You know, because every country isn't operating a laissez faire economy, and in many cases the globalism being practiced is specifically against it.
I like Don Boudreaux.
https://cafehayek.com/
He says it better than me. It being that unilateral free trade is still better for consumers than fair free trade.
Did you actually read the article this time?
A free market is a binary function. It is either free or it is not. As soon as a single entity violates free market, it is now an advantaged market. There are no 90% free markets.
Your version of free markets is ignoring free market actions of other entities. Again. You support advantaged markets, not free ones.
There are no unilateral free trade markets outside of maybe swap meets. There is none between countries.
Your ignorance is ever present.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Remember --- he dislikes Biden.
He reminds us incessantly because literally nothing he posts reflects that.
Turd lies.
Rule #1 of the commentariat: Turd lies.
Well, this decides it for me then. I was going to vote for Trump in Nov, but this poll of historians ranked him last, so what else can I do? And we know it's a careful ranking, and not at all politically- and recency-biased. Just look, they correctly ranked FDR as 2nd best, behind Lincoln, and ahead of WASHINGTON. And this isn't the same poll of historians that had W in the bottom five in 2005 but somehow is now at 32.
Yep, I make all my decisions based on what articles SPB2 posts on this site.
Any ranking that doesn't put the guy whose administration tried to pack the court, argued that wheat grown on someone's property for their own consumption somehow affected interstate commerce, and locked up American citizens in fucking concentration camps near dead last should be roundly mocked by anyone who purports to support liberty.
If someone hosted abbq in a mosque people would be saying hate crime
Only if it was the superior form of barbecue, NC style pulled pork.
I can see you're trying to start a barbecue fight, so I'll take the bait. South Carolina is the superior form. #mustardbase
Texas or GTFO
Agreed. And it partially makes up for TexMex.
Baked cow is not Bar-B-Que.
Mustard base? Ugh, you just engaged my gag reflex. That shit is so gross.
I prefer Kansas City's version, myself.
also, it's not a New York Strip.
That one really twists my knickers.
KC or St. Louis style are similar, but one tends to have more beef and the other more pork. Together, they are like a nice blend of Memphis and Texas.
South Carolina has, for the two weeks since its invention, always struck me as some of the "Sweetest Day" bullshit of all the barbecue/food styles.
Shouldn't even be talking about sauce.
Barbeque is meat, not sauce.
But a good sauce is needed to use to dip one's good barbecue in. 🙂
needed is a stretch if the meat is right (twss)
Something we can all agree on:
You don't win friends with salad.
"what's that other b for?" "
"that's a typo."
I can agree that the SC stuff is pretty good too. The real problem are the heathens that call beef brisket barbecue.
"The United States..."
Well, the UN rep at least, but plenty of US citizens aren't. Me included.
Kill all Hamas, then we can get behind a cease-fire.
This. Bothering to negotiate with Hamas is a massive waste of everyone's time. That fact is why what is happening is happening. It's telling that no one seems interested in negotiating with Hamas to stop invading Israel and murdering jews in their houses.
Remember the last cease fire hamas agreed to... Then broke 3 hours later?
Seriously the directors cut of lord of the rings was longer than hamas can keep a promise
A video circulated of mourners approvingly calling the deceased "mother of all whores" inside the cathedral.
What was the cause of death? Aids?
Can't be. Eradicating AIDS was Fauci's first heroic gift to mankind.
Because of Fauci's great work in the 80s, I know not to share a cereal box with someone who has AIDS.
"U.S. begins to talk ceasefire"
What an idiot I am to think this was about Ukraine/Russia. No dummy, it's about the war that is crushing the Democratic party's hopes in Michigan. No need for a ceasefire in the war that's enriching the Democratic party.
How many intra-party polls do you think the DNC did?
I suspect they've lost Michigan irretrievably for 2024 at this point.
My Republican senators are cashing in too. Iowa makes a lot of those 155mm shells.
But many Catholics, contra mainstream reporting, feel as though the funeral made a mockery of our faith.
Not this Catholic (non practicing). The Holy See has already done enough mockery of the faithful on its own that its hard to mock even further. Nazi pope + commie pope + kid diddling > "fabulous" trans.
Also have you seen the vestments color skeme and rules; about as gay as you can get.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13104577/Migrants-brawl-cops-Randalls-Island-shelter.html
“When immigrants make their way to a city in an organic fashion, they usually are drawn to a place where they have family ties, job leads, or other connections and resources available.”
So Jeff works for The Atlantic?
I don't know about Jeff, but you xenophobes make me tired ...
Shut down the welfare state, and then we'll talk.
You shut it down. They’re not listening to me. By the way, Federal welfare is illegal, so if your state is giving welfare to immigrants, talk to YOUR governor!
You shut it down. They’re not listening to me.
Then fuck your "let everyone in who isn't a criminal, because the limits of scale don't exist!" policy, too.
By the way, Federal welfare is illegal,
Nice hair-splitting there.
Not really hair splitting to observe jurisdictional boundaries. Kind of funny (or hypocritical), to observe one set and not the other though.
Who cares about Federal welfare, state welfare is NOT illegal for migrants to acquire. Why would a migrant care about federal welfare when xe can just slip into New York's social construct and get free housing?
Excellent point ... and it's exactly why I meant that the "welfare for illegal immigrants" issue has nothing whatever to do with Federal immigration policy. Shipping "illegal" immigrants from states that do not provide welfare to immigrants to states that DO provide welfare to immigrants is not only poetic justice, it's precisely what those states have proclaimed as their policy. If they don't like the consequences, tough luck!
This comment shows a stunning amount of ignorance to basic reality. For example, California is still using Covid passed spending to supplement their spending on illegal immigrants.
Youre as retarded as jeff and sarc regarding immigration costs.
The stated mission of the source you cite as unbiased gospel is to point out the consequences of immigration. Not to be fair, but to focus on the bad stuff.
If some leftist organization said its mission was to point out the consequences of, say, income inequality, do you think they're going to say anything positive about capitalism? Or are they going to cherry pick and lie by omission to push an agenda? If you agree that they're not going to be honest, why do you tout an organization that's doing the same thing?
And sarc enters with an ad hominem attack because he can't say which fact presented is wrong. Then accuses others of potential future ad hominem attacks lol.
When you and shrike post your leftist bullshit I read it and refute the claims of the article. You do not.
We can't have the free movement of people because some element of crappiness continues to exist somewhere in the world? Why is it the welfare that we must accept the continued existence of, but freedom of people to come and go as they please and engage or not in the labor of their choice is unconscionable?
"Why is it the welfare that we must accept the continued existence of"
It isn't.
We can’t have the free movement of people because some element of crappiness continues to exist somewhere in the world?
Why does the US need to be the world's charity organization?
Moving over property that doesn’t belong to you against the will of the people that own that property isn’t “free movement”.
The same simple solution for that is to ALLOW all visitors to come through established entry checkpoints legally so they won't need to cross private property illegally. But if your goal is to STOP immigrants from coming to the US in the first place, that solution will not satisfy you. In fact, there IS NO solution to stopping immigrants from coming into the US and if that is your goal you will continue to fail massively as you have failed massively in the past.
All government property is taken from the people dumbfuck.
Despite Lying Jeffy’s lies to the contrary I’m not against all immigration.
I also find the topic pointless to discuss with open borders people that have decided to just call everyone that disagrees with them racists and xenophobes.
That's why I stopped debating it with Old Mex and Cytotoxic. It's like, I get everyone has their hobby horse, but come on.
Let them work.
How can any supporter of liberty not be offended at the notion that a human being must get permission from the government prior to being allowed to provide for themselves and their families?
Requiring government permission and government papers to participate in society, and being excluded from society without those things, vaguely reminds me of Sunday school talks about the last chapter of the holy book.
US citizens are required to do the same thing….
(I thought Bush’s work visa program made the most sense, but certain people decided to rally in the streets and burn effigies of him for suggesting it.)
Doesn't make it right.
How many have you invited in to work for you?
About a dozen. They are much better neighbors and workers than you are.
I was asking sarc, but thanks for confirming you can discuss the topic in as good of faith as him and Lying Jeffy.
I don't make hiring decisions.
I’m sure you don’t. Now go pick up the trash in the breakroom.
Immigrants are incentivized to use the system because it's legal, while working is not.
People respond to incentives. That's one of the core ideas behind the economic way of thinking.
Nothing in my post made a judgement about immigration one way or the other. I only noted that that is the same argument Jeff has made on why bussing them to blue states/sanctuary cities is wrong.
Which is just asinine on its face because these places are getting a fraction of a percentage of what we’re expecting border states to absorb.
The best way to find a liberal hiding out as a libertarian is when they utilize cries of racism or xenophobia on the topic of immigration.
“When immigrants make their way to a city in an organic fashion, they usually are drawn to a place where they have family ties, job leads, or other connections and resources available.”
Bingo! There is only one agent to blame for the lack of “organic” resettlement and the impetus for border state governors to force the issue: Federal immigration law. Almost all of these problems could be solved overnight by registering everyone who wants to visit the United States as they come across the border, checking their criminal status and screening for contagious diseases. Anyone who disagrees with this simple solution has an ax to grind with no moral or factual justification.
There was significant social dislocation in communities in Minnesota with the Somali relocations even when there was coordination, so drop that notion right now.
Almost all of these problems could be solved overnight by registering everyone who wants to visit the United States as they come across the border, checking their criminal status and screening for contagious diseases.
According to the commentariat, if you don't support current immigration law then you want open borders. There's no middle ground.
Anyone who disagrees with this simple solution has an ax to grind with no moral or factual justification.
Displacement theory. The influx of non-whites will soon make white people a minority, and that's bad. What's worse is that immigrants vote for Democrats, and politics is hereditary for immigrants. That means their children and grandchildren (who are not white) are guaranteed vote for Democrats.
Can't have that. It will ruin the country.
What’s worse is that immigrants vote for Democrats, and politics is hereditary for immigrants. That means their children and grandchildren (who are not white) are guaranteed vote for Democrats.
Yeah, actual voting patterns and the schools deliberately alienating 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants against the US and white people never happens.
Poor immigrants. No agency. So self will. Just brainwashed automatons.
Yeah, that's what going to left-wing schools results in.
So they're clay to be molded?
If they come out as Democrats, it's automatically bad.
Come out? Like out of the vagina? Out of the closet?
Pretty sure it was clear to everyone sober he meant come out of school. You know, what you were talking about? Fucking retard.
Back to them being clay automatons to be molded and programmed by the schools, with no agency of their own, and no parental influence.
Back to them being clay automatons to be molded and programmed by the schools, with no agency of their own, and no parental influence.
Wait, you mean like the kind of parental oversight your buddy chemfat constantly bitches about?
Make up your mind.
I ignore those shitfests.
I ignore those shitfests.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Don’t make me laugh too hard.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
No, someplace the sun doesn't shine. Quit acting like a retard.
Come out? Like out of the vagina? Out of the closet?
No, like out of the bottle of Ripple you're hammering.
It’s not just immigrants kids who are being indoctrinated….
Effective parenting can mitigate the extent of the indoctrination.
It can.
I do my best to teach my kid how to think, so she can resist when people try to teach her what to think. But ultimately she's got a mind of her own.
Sarc's How-To-Think Lesson 1: Logical fallacies such as ad-hominem, goalpost shifting, straw-manning, etc are to be applied only to others; never to yourself.
2: Key the neighbors car.
3: Burn their steaks.
3: when wrong or ignorant on a topic cry put that youre a victim.
What should one expect from The One True Libertarian®?
4. Serve their mother horse meat without her knowledge because she loves horses.
You fucknuts who keep thinking your clever by bringing up my comment about steaks should read some Anthony Bourdain, specifically Kitchen Confidential. In it he talks about what cooks think of well done steaks. I thought the book was great because I'd seen half of it, and could easily see the other half being true.
This is less about steaks than about your attitude, dudette.
The steak thing has to do with me saying that most restaurant cooks view MW a W steaks and something to burn. The girls think it's clever to say I burned steaks when I was a cook. Truth is they all do, but the girls are busy thinking they're clever.
Commentariat Logic Lesson 1: Ad hominems are logical arguments, and anyone who says they're not is wrong about that and everything else.
Bzzzzzt
Speaking of ad hominem, here was sarc's response to a post from an Israeli source over the weekend:
"Israeli news and Israeli policy organizations agree that all Palestinians are evil? I’m shocked!"
Well, yeah, nerds tend to invite bullying with their passive-aggressive behavior.
Hey BG, do you think MSNBC and the Southern Poverty Law Center are going to give a biased point of view? Yes? I think so too. They’re not going to give the whole picture because they have an agenda.
Now apply the same reasoning to Israeli news and policy organizations. Are they going to give Palestinians a fair shake? Be honest.
Shorter sarcasmic - when I do it, it's not ad hominem.
Not an ad hominem. But you have one just above. Lol.
The solution to school propaganda is to eliminate the tax-funded public school system. But we seem to be straying far afield from the topic of "problems due to immigration"
The solution to school propaganda is to eliminate the tax-funded public school system.
You eliminate it. They're not listening to us.
Checking their criminal status and for communicable diseases IS current policy and they’re not even doing that.
That’s not being very honest.
When this is the path to legal immigration, it’s no wonder so many skip the line.
Just make it simpler (which does not equate to open borders) so there isn’t a huge incentive to skip the line, and let them work when they get here.
It is simpler. If you make it to New York or Chicago or Colorado, you get free housing.
The reason we're seeing millions of border crossing is... because it got a lot simpler.
Alright. Be disingenuous.
edit: But I don’t disagree that the system is incredibly complicated if you’re trying to do it the legal way.
Never mind.
I’m not sure where I’m being dishonest, they’re definitely doing way more catch and release than 4 or 8 years ago.
But I don’t disagree that the system is incredibly complicated if you’re trying to do it the legal way.
I think what MWA was saying, and if so I agree, that making the system uncomplicated would lessen the incentive to skip the line.
What you two retards fail to notice is the illegal immigrants are crossing within half a mile from legal checkpoints. They don't want to register at ports. And you support this.
There is only one agent to blame for the lack of “organic” resettlement and the impetus for border state governors to force the issue: Federal immigration law.
Dude, not even immigrants are falling for your retardation.
Anyone who disagrees with this simple solution has an ax to grind with no moral or factual justification.
Anyone, pro- or anti-immigration who thinks the issue is as simple as "Read their papers, check the vaccination records with the state run medical systems in their various countries of origin, and then let them in." is a fucking retard.
Seriously, this shit was tired and stupid when JFree and WhiteMike or whomever went through it 6 yrs. ago. You sound like some sub-80 IQ kindergarten teacher who thinks the problem with immigration is that everybody won't queue up for you.
El Segundo? I think that’s the last place I remember having my wallet.
>>U.S. Begins To Talk Ceasefire
B glued his hand to the Wall with oatmeal.
Ceasefire?
What?!
When did we get into a shooting war?
With whom?
(those short naps are great, but you miss a lot)
>>"Until now, the United States alone has publicly and consistently rejected demands for an outright cease-fire in U.N. resolutions on the war in Gaza, siding with Israel in its war against Hamas," reports The New York Times.
I need to know be told what to think here do you reprint the lies because you believe them or because you don't?
Dear McRib: spellcheck. and yes I see the irony in my own editing mistake above lol.
"What is the 'migrant crisis' in New York and Chicago?" asks Jerusalem Demsas at The Atlantic. "It includes visible signs of disorder like migrants sleeping outside as hotel rooms fill up, anger among native-born Americans that limited resources are being spent on migrants, and an expensive bureaucratic scramble to arrange health screenings, translation services, housing programs, legal services, school placements, school buses, and other needs for newcomers." But some of the problem, Demsas says, stems from the red-state governors busing migrants to these big cities in particular: "When immigrants make their way to a city in an organic fashion, they usually are drawn to a place where they have family ties, job leads, or other connections and resources available. When they're resettled through an official government program, as the displaced Ukrainians were, the federal government coordinates with local governments to ensure a smooth transition."
This blurb is funny, not in a ha-ha way, but in a fucking retarded way.
First of all, red-state governors are reaping the benefit of absorbing the immigrants in an 'organic fashion'.
And 2: this narrative fell apart this week:
When they're resettled through an official government program, as the displaced Ukrainians were, the federal government coordinates with local governments to ensure a smooth transition."
Turns out, the migrants that the red-state governors are busing in to places like Chicago and NY only make up a small percentage. Due to rules in Canada, turns out Migrants can fly to Canada from Mexico for ~$350. Claim they're there to see the sights for a couple of days, and they're walking south across the border into New York. They WANT to go to New York because they get free fucking housing.
This argument is now check and mate. And trust me, I really WISH it were the effects of red-state governors, because I like to think that they were singular in changing the narrative. But it looks like the immigrant rush to your sanctuary cities in in fact, pretty "organic".
The Trudeau government relaxed it in 2016.
There's your problem: Trudeau, the Gavin Newsom of Ottawa.
Funny how the flow of people is toward free shit. They say you get more of what you subsidize, so subsidizing illegal immigrants means they flock to your door.
And the mayor of SF can't seem to figure out why paying more to bums means we get more bums!
Her one lifetime achievement was getting out of public housing and into a rent-controlled apartment; you see she has high expectations of herself.
"The United States, via a U.N. Security Council resolution, is urging a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas "as soon as practicable"—using ceasefire language for the first time—as well as rebuking Israel for plans to possibly invade Rafah. "
This is a strange and perverse way of saying that the US is going to veto the UN resolution calling for a ceasefire in the conflict, according to sources other than the New York Times. The US has vetoed several resolutions calling for a ceasefire, so another veto is in keeping with US policy, the desires of Israel, and the Jewish lobby which lavishes funds on the US political class.
To write about an intention to veto a resolution for a ceasefire as 'working towards a ceasefire' is right out of Orwell. Only worse. Orwell was a novelist. Wolfe styles herself as a journalist.
And you style yourself a libertarian and factual. Yet, you're neither.
Vetoing a ceasefire is not 'working towards a ceasefire,' no matter how the New York Times and Reason want to spin it. They are corrupt, dishonest and you should be more skeptical about the coverage of the conflict. It's been abysmal.
What indications exist that Hamas will cease firing? A resolution directed at only one party in a conflict is not a ceasefire, so yes, they are still working towards one.
"What indications exist that Hamas will cease firing?"
Israel and Palestinians have had a long history of ceasefires, truces and they have been successful up to a point. The last one was in November last year when a number of hostages were exchanged. What's been lacking is a permanent political solution. That's going to be a tough nut to crack, but the road to peace starts with a temporary ceasefire with continued talks towards a permanent solution. Israel's continued existence depends on reaching such a settlement.
"Israel and Palestinians have had a long history of ceasefires, truces and they have been successful up to a point."
...all the way up to the point where the Palestinians start firing again.
"…all the way up to the point where the Palestinians start firing again."
Without a permanent solution, more conflict is guaranteed. If the events of Oct. 7th last year weren't convincing, you need to rethink your assumptions. How many more have to die before you're willing to change your mind?
What is a permanent political solution with a group whose stated purpose is to kill all jews and seize all territory in the area for Islam?
"What is a permanent political solution "
It's when temporary ceasefires are no longer necessary. That's why it's permanent.
Israel and Palestine have negotiated any number of temporary ceasefires. I see no reason why they can't come to a permanent one. A permanent solution will undoubtedly be more difficult to achieve and Israel may have to go through the kind of hell we're seeing in Gaza today before they are serious about pursuing peace. My advice to Israelis: don't let those second passports of yours out of your sight. They may save your lives.
Israel’s continued existence depends on reaching such a settlement.
Holy fuck, Nancy! The lamentations of the Palestinians are not going to bring down the walls of Jerusalem.
Regardless of how the modern state came into existence, Israel does not exist based on the whims of any other nation or group of nations. It will take a nuclear holocaust to bring down Israel.
" It will take a nuclear holocaust to bring down Israel."
Their downfall will be self induced, more likely. Masada 2.0. I doubt they could bear the ignominy of being defeated by a race of sub humans.
Wow, full on anti-zionist. Thanks for letting us know how you really feel about it.
" Thanks for letting us know how you really feel about it."
If you want to discuss things further, don't hesitate to ask. I am not afraid to tell you about how I really feel about things. I already gave my opinion on your hare brained scheme for Israel to provide weapons to Palestinians, if you have any more where that came from, let me know and I will respond as best I can.
Israel is an apartheid state - not Orwellian.
Israel is committing genocide - not Orwellian.
Hamas doesn't use human shields - not Orwellian.
trueman claims not to hate Jews and then lists the reasons he hates Jews - not an antisemite.
Vetoing a ceasefire is not 'working for a ceasefire.'
Vetoing one cease-fire, and working towards a different one is indeed "working for a ceasefire."
Is that what the New York Times is telling you? You shouldn't be so trusting. There's a lot of money riding on continuing the genocide, and money talks.
We should trust the musing of rabid anti-Semite mNaziman instead?
Fuck off Nazi scum.
Another "Fani Willis is "Winning" editorial from the Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/20/fani-willis-disqualification/
I won't subscribe, but from the link:
/facepalm
The WAPO is literally demanding 50 cents for their propaganda. These people cannot be mocked enough.
Imagine what the comments section is like.
I’d hate to see what the WaPo comment section looks like now. It was already a shitshow when VC was there.
>>”What is the ‘migrant crisis’ in New York and Chicago?”
nobody fucking cares. ~~ Texas
>>But some of the problem, Demsas says, stems from the red-state governors busing migrants to these big cities in particular
oh I see, Demsas is a tool.
If there was ever an argument for a universal right to keep and bear arms by citizens, Gaza should be the poster child. The citizens of Gaza need a way to interfere and disrupt the operations of Hamas if the citizens of Gaza want the destruction to cease.
A campaign from the US and Israel to distribute guns to the civilian population would do far more damage to Hamas than it could ever do to Israel. If someone launches rockets at Israeli forces from within a neighborhood, the neighbors get their guns and arrest/execute the people responsible. When the Israelis show up, they hand over any prisoners, dead bodies, and military ordinance and the Israelis go on their way. If they don't, the Israelis raze the area from the sky.
Hamas currently has the ability to use 2 million people as meat shields and for propagandizing. Those people are aware of it, but can do nothing about it currently. There is an added bonus that an armed population is a militia and is therefore fairly targeted by the vastly superior firepower of Israel if they refuse to police themselves.
We are spending 100s of billions, enough to arm every citizen in the Ukraine many times over while spending nothing to arm to the citizens of Gaza who are clearly the only ones capable of rooting out Hamas. For less than 1 billion, you could provide a firearm and basic training to every adult in Gaza. And we would get to actually observe what a real citizen militia could do in the modern age.
" And we would get to actually observe what a real citizen militia could do in the modern age."
I don't think the people of Gaza are as modern as you believe they are. Arab culture takes revenge a lot more seriously than let bygones be bygones Americans. Gazans have all lost friends and family members to Israel attacks, and they will use any weapons you provide them with to settle up old scores before anything else.
"If someone launches rockets at Israeli forces from within a neighborhood, the neighbors get their guns and arrest/execute the people responsible. "
This is delusional. It's the Israelis who have Gaza under occupation, and are committing all manner of atrocities against the people of Palestine.
This is delusional. It’s the Israelis who have Gaza under occupation, and are committing all manner of atrocities against the people of Palestine.
You are correct.
"You are correct."
I know that. I don't understand how you've come to believe that supplying weapons to Palestinians will result in anything but them being turned on the Israelis who are murdering them in the 10s of 1000s. It's an absolutely hare brained scheme you're touting here, divorced from any reality. Where did you get this idea?
It’s an absolutely hare brained scheme you’re touting here, divorced from any reality. Where did you get this idea?
The Declaration of Independence.
Gaza is under occupation. Any weapons in Palestinian hands are going to be pointed at the occupiers, Israel. That's one reason why the Israelis aren't already handing out weapons to the people of Palestine. They know they will only become targets. Israelis aren't stupid. I urge you to forget this foolish notion immediately, and in future ignore those who suggested it to you.
I get it. You don't really believe in self-determination. I do. And I believe that God does. He inspires the soul to strive for it.
We are bombarded constantly with messages that Islam is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of Palestinians are not terrorists. Let them prove it. Gift them the tools to fix their own problem. 1 million rifles could not overcome the Israeli air force. But they could certainly be used to take out the bastards exploiting the citizens of Gaza as meat shields, drawing fire down on their homes and infrastructure. Set up secure facilities and have the citizens come to attend training and pick up their weapons.
I urge you to forget this foolish notion immediately, and in future ignore those who suggested it to you.
Who writes like that? And what conspiracy have you fantasized about that necessitates it not being my original idea? I must be making a tremendous amount of sense for you to flailing this hard.
"And what conspiracy have you fantasized about that necessitates it not being my original idea?"
You ought to be flattered. I put the blame on your gullibility rather than stupidity.
How could that possibly be construed as flattering? Even your insults are devoid of reason.
One of us is a vacuous fuckwit, but it isn't me.
"How could that possibly be construed as flattering? "
You can always overcome gullibility. Widen the scope of your reading, and try to question authority. You're stuck with stupidity.
"One of us is a vacuous fuckwit, but it isn’t me."
I'm leaning more and more to the idea that you're stupid and happy that way.
you’re stupid and happy that way
Lets check the thread for the folks that were not playing and see who devolved into unsupported emotional appeals first:
I don’t think the people of Gaza are as modern as you believe they are.
You. In your first sentence.
And direct insults:
I put the blame on your gullibility rather than stupidity.
You, again.
I am going to stick with me not being the vacuous fuckwit. But you did accomplish your goal of inserting the talking point about Israeli atrocities and then deflecting the conversation away from any criticism of your outright lies. Fucking boomers. Where did it all go wrong for you?
Misconstueman isn’t capable of the introspection required to question why everyone here calls him… Misconstueman.
Here’s a hint misconstueman, it’s because you’re a vacuous fuckwit.
I like the concept of arming the Palestinians in Gaza to overcome the Hamas terrorists. In practice, though, I think what would happen is that the Hamas members would just take or acquire the weaponry for themselves, making them even stronger.
I don't know what the solution to this problem is. Hamas will not tolerate Israel continuing to exist on what they see as the land stolen from them. Israel isn't going to just cede the entire state to the Palestinians, and the efforts to destroy Hamas are inflicting collateral damage, killing innocent Gazans--how many is up for debate, as I don't trust the Hamas-reported numbers, and I don't trust Israel and the US-reported totals. This, in turn, is going to radicalize more Gazans to join up with Hamas.
If you think that Israel equipping Palestinians with more weapons will solve their problems, make a suggestion to the Israeli war cabinet. I honestly don't think they'll take you up, so prepare to be ignored.
"I am going to stick with me not being the vacuous fuckwit."
Hardly surprising, but in the end your assessments of your own intellectual capacity isn't worth much.
Where are you on the spectrum, misconstrueman?
It's misconstrueman, he's just here to spout nonsense.
He is here to interrupt the conversation and collect his $0.50. Maybe he works for the WAPO?
If you don't want people criticizing your half baked ideas, don't post them in a public place. You should be grateful that I've taken the trouble to respond. Nobody else has.
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If you think that Israel equipping Palestinians with more weapons will solve their problems, make a suggestion to the Israeli war cabinet.
You should be grateful that I’ve taken the trouble to respond. Nobody else has.
Gaslighting now? You are getting pretty fucking desperate.
I posted an idea that occurred to me, as it occurred to me, late in the day on a mostly dead thread. I didn't expect a response. Yet I still managed to get other responses despite you shitting your pants all over my attempt to spark a discussion.
Meanwhile, you have continued to respond to an idea you referred to as "delusional" 6 hours ago. So, one of us is engaging in conversation and one of us is engaging with delusion.
All I see is a continuing attempt to distract from your lies about Israeli atrocities. Hamas is Palestinian. Palestinians are still firing rockets from neighborhoods, hospitals and schools and pretending that the inevitable and fully justified response by Israel is the cause of the tens of thousands of civilian deaths. Palestinians are 100% responsible for every atrocity that has occurred in Gaza since October 7th.
"I posted an idea that occurred to me, as it occurred to me, late in the day on a mostly dead thread. I didn’t expect a response. "
I responded. I still think it's a ridiculous idea and I told you why.
"All I see is a continuing attempt to distract from your lies about Israeli atrocities. Hamas is Palestinian. Palestinians are still firing rockets from neighborhoods, hospitals and schools and pretending that the inevitable and fully justified response by Israel is the cause of the tens of thousands of civilian deaths. Palestinians are 100% responsible for every atrocity that has occurred in Gaza since October 7th."
I understand you believe all that. You're certainly not alone. Your delusion is that you also believe that normal everyday Gazans share your belief. And based on this belief you are willing to distribute weapons on the assumption that they will be used to eliminate Hamas, something the Israeli military hasn't been able to do after more than 4 months of fighting. It's a crazy idea. Maybe you have other ideas that are not crazy. I'd be curious to see what they are. It's good to think 'outside the box' but you got to admit this one is a stinker. Maybe the next one is better.
About half of Gaza's civilians are sheltering in Rafah, and an offensive there "would have serious implications for regional peace and security,"
But the existence of Hamas (and every other Iranian proxy) doesn't?
Both St. Patrick's in Midtown and Old St. Patrick's in Nolita are frequent targets for activist stunts due to the Catholic Church's positions on trans issues and abortion.
Activist stunts?
The word you're looking for is "desecration."
Remember....YOU are rude if you do not play along with their delusions.
They have no obligation, though, to not be cunts to all other people.
Ceasefires don't occur when one side in a war is pulverizing the other and. Indeed, a ceasefire is more appropriate in Ukraine, which is grinding into a stalemate that will ruin both nations involved. The Korean War ended in a ceasefire and the commies taking over the upper half.
What Biden and his Jew hating crew means by "ceasefire" is "Israel needs to stop attacking Hamas because we need to win an election". Ceasefire is meaningless if it's not a prelude to a negotiation, but Hamas is an ununiformed terrorist unit uninterested in serious diplomacy.
Swat teams won't call for ceasefire when they have a mass murder cornered in a house. They call for a surrender. That's what Biden and the world should be urging Hamas to do.