How Third-World Countries Build Walkable Cities Without Central Planning
Jakarta, Indonesia, shows why you don't need central planners to get pedestrian-friendly urban design.

Jakarta, Indonesia—The central business district of Indonesia's 11 million-person capital has the social contrast found in many other developing world megacities. Modern skyscrapers accommodate Indonesia's elite, while shabby informal villages spread from the base of such buildings. I wanted to experience this latter, more common, style so one morning my translator Julya and I walked a few minutes from my upscale French hotel chain across a dirty canal and into a village.
The standardized First World planning aesthetic of square buildings and engineered roadways quickly yielded to clustered huts organized along a twisty network of alleys. This village style is common in the Third World, a bastion of organic, market-oriented development that often withstands the modernization plans of city officials, even in central areas. It bears a striking resemblance to a popular concept in the Western urban planning world: the "superblock."
In superblocks, wide roads and streets are spaced far apart rather than allocated frequently on a grid pattern. The area in between, too condensed to accommodate cars, is reserved for pedestrians, motorbikes, buildings, and courtyards, with alleyways connecting it all.
Such blocks were the historical default before cities were planned for automobiles and before machines made clearing rights of way much easier. Paths would extend along routes that were topographically easy and would be cleared just wide enough for needed pass-throughs.
European villages with their hilly outdoor staircases fit the superblock stereotype, but the style has even deeper roots in Asia, with the oldest known example in China. In their contribution to the book Governing Cities: Asia's Urban Transformation, scholars Daixin Dai and George R. Frantz describe the ones planned in 1036 B.C. for the ancient city of Chengzhou. The pattern persisted through the millennia; 1400s Beijing, according to urbanNext, consisted of "blocks of houses on 150-meter hutong nested in 1,000-meter superblocks," themselves found in larger structures called "megablocks."
Superblocks were common in the colonial and industrial-era U.S., with Philadelphia, for example, growing into a maze of tight alleyways for horse carriages. Savannah, Georgia, was planned for superblocks—still partially intact today—and there are still scattered examples throughout the Northeast and Midwest.
Modern planners increasingly recognize the benefits of superblocks and want to bring them back. Cutting off large residential segments of the city to cars reduces traffic deaths, air pollution, and other negative externalities. The idea has been proposed in Los Angeles, where the City Council hopes to implement a pilot superblock in the city center, and in Seattle, where one is proposed for the Capitol Hill neighborhood.
Urban planners tend to be progressives, and superblock promoters think their idea will be achieved through government planning. The most successful First World superblock retrofit was pushed through that way, in Barcelona. There, the government prohibited automobile traffic through several thoroughfares in the 2010s, allowing pedestrians to move through freely; the authorities hope to create 500 such blocks. Beyond just alleys, a number of blocks have shops, courtyards, and parks.
The effort caused car storage in one Barcelona neighborhood to fall 82 percent. The change has plenty of fans: The World Health Organization reports that in one converted district, residents experienced "a perceived gain in well-being, tranquility and quality of sleep." And it was clearly a government project. As David Roberts wrote in Vox almost five years ago, Barcelona "has always been an intentional city, closely conceived and constructed by central planners." Unsurprisingly, it was planners, in turn, who undid the city's grid and instilled superblocks.
But across the developing world, the opposite is true. In Africa, Asia, and Latin America, superblocks remain the de facto market-driven development pattern, for much the same reasons they were in the ancient world. Most of the population doesn't own cars and is not in an economic position to afford more space. So they maximize the space they have, causing superblock shantytowns to pop up on hillsides, farmland, or even infill urban areas that are being illegally "invaded." The poorer the area, the more devoid it will be of setback requirements, parking minimums, and similar regulations—and the likelier it will be to yield the superblock vernacular.
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We got a sense of the economic reasons why when walking through the Jakarta village, called Kebon Jahe. This is one of central Jakarta's many urban villages—a neighborhood format known to locals as perkampungan. Kebon Jahe literally is a superblock, in that the entire boundary is one big block of a dozen or so square acres, flanked by big arterial roads but with no significant through roads.
We entered the village wanting to learn how it got planned (or unplanned) to look this way. Julya, a native to the Jakarta area, knew we must first talk to the neighborhood chief.
After veering down one alley and asking around, we were taken down an even smaller alley and introduced to Budi Aprianto. A middle-aged man, he is one of 15 village chiefs, all democratically elected by the block's roughly 1,500 residents.
Kebon Jahe, he explained, was colonized in the 1700s by the Dutch, who built a cemetery there. When Indonesians got back control of the land during the 1940s revolution, the area was converted into farmland and a livestock market. The buildings that exist now began rising in the 1970s, to accompany population demands in central Jakarta. The village has not grown through the efforts of a master developer. A collection of families, many of them in the area for generations, had erected their own homes.
How, I asked, did a sophisticated alley network get built in such a decentralized growth system? After I paid a small bribe, he agreed to show me around.
The network, he explained, is as coordinated as it looks, forming a U shape that lets residents access the whole village. But there are three right-of-way categories.
The first consists of the relatively wide roads that form the entry of Kebon Jahe before hitting up against alleys. These were built by the government, allow cars to park (haphazardly), and have formal retail, such as the popular Alfamart chain.
The second, and primary, form of right of way is the alleys. They're 6 feet to 12 feet wide, meaning they can only handle pedestrians and motorbikes, and they accommodate most of the retail, with merchants setting up stores along or even into the alley. The government paves them and manages them for safety and clearance, but they follow a market logic. They began as private clearances for farmers who were seeking the easiest transport path. Development grew along them, and only later did the government take over. This is why they zigzag along land curves rather than fitting the straight lines common in a grid.
Third are the extremely narrow alleys that veer off these main ones. These are still private. Any given acre in Kebon Jahe has hundreds of small houses so scrunched together it's hard to tell them apart. Most homes don't front the street but, in a pattern atypical in even America's densest cities, go deep into the lot—meaning almost every last square foot of land is covered.
The only parts not covered are the alleys, which allow inside-outside access for these further-back houses. The alleys are also places for hanging birdcages, drying laundry, and running small commercial stands. They're created through negotiation between homeowners, all of whom benefit from the access. But they're extremely narrow—I had to turn sideways while walking through some—and that just boils down to economics.
"Jakarta is a very crowded city," Aprianto explained through my translator. "People use every bit of space they can for themselves."
Some of the extremely narrow alleys actually began as the wider formal public ones. But when adjacent homeowners want to expand their dwellings, they build additions into the alley, unintentionally similar to the invasive favela-style growth seen in Brazil. These households leave just enough alley space that they themselves can get out.
While building onto public alleys is illegal, enforcement is loose, given that Kebon Jahe is a mostly self-governing slum. (Aprianto is an elected leader, but he is not a government official.) In the rare cases when city inspectors appear, residents just pay them off.
Before visiting Kebon Jahe, Julya and I explored some superblocks in Tangerang, the working-class Jakarta suburb where she grew up. Many more exist there—unsurprisingly, given that it's an industrial city where factory workers need places to live. Tangerang superblocks are often centered around small mosques (Indonesia is the country with the world's largest Islamic population) or around dirty canals that nonetheless meet certain economic needs.
The same order can be found across the Global South: Large factories are built on city outskirts and quickly get surrounded by informal slums, virtually all of which adopt some variation of the superblock layout. Again, this is not because people there share the ideals of Western planners. Nor do these superblocks have the bells and whistles of the Spanish ones. It's simply the most logical layout in societies defined by economic and spatial scarcity.
Superblocks are more vulnerable in central areas, thanks to pressure to wipe them out and build to higher-end uses. That is not usually a market process. As our Kebon Jahe tour was ending, we passed the more formal area at the village exit, which had a wider alley and larger buildings.
"By next year, all of Kebon Jahe might look like this," Aprianto said.
The city has already started harassing the village's street merchants, and it's planning a program to raze Kebon Jahe homes and replace them with towers. Residents will receive payments from the government that, while large to them, won't be enough to buy replacement units in central Jakarta. Instead, they must find comparably priced units further out, meaning they're effectively being displaced through eminent domain. Such slum clearance is common across the Global South, as it once was in the United States.
It might surprise America's professional planners to hear it, but governments don't usually create superblocks—they destroy them.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "Indonesia’s Free Market ‘Superblocks’."
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The way to success is poverty!
Don’t forget how happy we’ll be!
ITT, sarcasmic admits he’s friends with a gay pederast.
There isn't much creepiness you can't get Sarcasmic to defend as long as you preface it first with 'orangemanbad'.
Well... he had to get friends wherever he can get them.
Which one, Jeffy or Pluggo?
No no, not here, IRL. He admits only one of his gay friends messed with a kid.
Damn. No wonder he defends who he does here.
You won't own anything, but it will be just a short walk to pick up your beans and rice.
Wow, you get both in your district?
Indeed. Spoiler alert, I don't want to live in the third world you fucking retards.
The goal of dems and the WEF.
I want to live in a slum! It sounds so romantic.
"Freedom is nothing!" Or something like that.
- Janis Joplin
Just can't figure out why illegals are unhappy and come here. I mean slums are the dream.
Trying to resist the urge...don't be an annoying know it all, Brix...can't resist....
You mean "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"?
AcktUallY, credit for that goes to Kris Kristofferson.
Yup, but Janis flaunted the hippie image.
Kristofferson was a Rhodes Scholar, and an Army Ranger who taught at West Point. And a helicopter pilot. And a college athlete. And a CMA and Grammy winning singer/songwriter. And a popular movie and television actor. Practically a beggar.
Not to mention "Sunday morning coming down" being one of the best songs ever.
https://youtu.be/vbqGWTxwZEA?si=l5yB20lcZdTji2UG
Don’t forget “the best of all possible worlds”
I post the Roger Miller version because Roger could actually sing…
https://youtu.be/oE7v9JmrPyA?feature=shared
I prefer Kristofferson's voice, honestly. Then again, I identify with despair.
Does….not….compute….
but hey..Let your freak flag fly, brother.
Seriously, though for that specific song I think miller adds character to the drunken hobo.
But in more serious works, I totally get you.
I also always crack up during Kristofferson’s stunted dead pan delivery during his part of the “Highwayman” song. But I also wouldn’t have it any other way. He owns it.
Beyer: "It might surprise America'a...planners...but governments don't usually create superblocks---they destroy them."
YES! But why? Because all governments are coercive, i.e., based on the political paradigm of the initiation of death threats, fraud, NOT reason, rights. Why? People choose it. They suffer under "The Most Dangerous Superstition" (Larken Rose). That creates chaos.
Change to a civil, rational politics must start at the grass roots level. People's submission to authority must be stopped, or at least their insistence that every voluntarist must suffer with them.
"Any given acre in Kebon Jahe has hundreds of small houses so scrunched together it's hard to tell them apart. Most homes don't front the street but, in a pattern atypical in even America's densest cities, go deep into the lot—meaning almost every last square foot of land is covered."
So, similar to Victorian London. Presumably without the rickets, considering the climate.
Wow
Says the quiet part out loud
Libertarians worship 3rd world countries
WHo doesn't have a soft spot in their heart for sewage in the street?
Just remember, that sewage belongs to the whole community.
We are in this together!
Yep, in this shit together.
It's just a step down from shitting on the sidewalk. Here's an app!!
It takes a village to shit up a street like that.
If you think one granny flat is good, imagine if you could have 4 or 5 in your backyard.
Grannies?
Water free plumbing.
This cockrot isn't a libertarian.
What is this rags obsession with saving cities?
Just let them rot, move away.
Cuz in the future your choice* will be hyper-crowded urban tenement or primitive collective farm.
*Choice will actually be made by some bureaucrat based on your social credit score, and her PMS that day.
Don’t all the writers here live in northeast democrat run cities?
There may be a long haul trucker boycott of NYC coming.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fk-around-find-out-truckers-warn-loads-nyc-will-be-rejected-starting-monday
*said in a very flat voice
Truckers aren't delivering food to NY. Oh no Welch might not be able to get food.
Haha I kid
Who will stock the cocktail parties?
Typical NY progressive: but what do trucks have to do with food at the corner bodega? Besides, trucks are icky. And truck drivers are all MAGA Nazis.
Not expecting this one to do much, but we'll see. It would be nice if they had a set of objectives related to their industry, such as the move to green industries and DEI objectives. The connection between "Insane judgment against Trump" and "Truckers upset" is tenuous enough that they're unlikely to get the message. Better if you can a few thousand people to protest and march at the courthouse.
Or truckers that do show up in Manhattan and park creatively in key locations?
I guess? I do think we've all come to the conclusion that stopping traffic or violating people's freedom to move from place to place is a violation of the NAP, and therefore, not a legitimate protest. When talking about the Free Palestine protestors, the consensus seems to be that it does more harm than good, so I don't know why it would be different for truck drivers, if that's what you're implying.
OK. So the trucks will not block traffic. But how about gathering in key locations and "protesting"?
Just park in the street and say they are making deliveries, like UPS and Amazon do.
The focus on ESG (or lack there of) is kind of why I’m not holding too much hope out for the farmers protests in Europe. The populist outlets all say that’s what it’s about. But every interview I’ve seen with the protesters they all just say “ we need more subsidies, pronto.”
It’ll probably just get hijacked by the commies at some point.
Problem is most company drivers work under forced dispatch and can't refuse a load. Independents can try to organize but a lot of them won't go to Northeast shitholes, and I would add CA, anyway.
I question the 95% number. My understanding is that there’s a lot of Muslim truck drivers.
I recently retired after driving a big truck for many years and talking to thousands of drivers and I can confirm that a large majority of truckers are pro Trump despite the fact that it may be the most racially, ethnically and religiously diverse profession in the country. And the reason is simple. Business was very good in the Trump years and he restrained every trucker's common enemy, FMCSA. Truckers don't sit around and bitch about skin color they bitch about government. If you strike up a conversation with that driver on his knees at a rest area facing Mecca he's likely to start talking about the absurd logging rules and being written up for petty bullshit at a weigh station.
If you strike up a conversation with that driver on his knees at a rest area facing Mecca he’s likely to start talking about the absurd logging rules and being written up for petty bullshit at a weigh station.
And if you strike up a driver on his knees at a rest area not facing Mecca, you're probably haggling over the price.
Interesting. I’m getting my info second hand so can’t get his opinion easily.
State trooper to trucker after stopping him for driving too fast: "What are you hauling today?"
Trucker, joking about his empty trailer: "Sailboat fuel."
State trooper: "How much does that stuff weigh?"
"About 1.3 kg per cubic meter".
"Ass, isn't that obvious?"
One of the reasons they need to eliminate private contractors.
I've been dreaming of it ever since I was one.
Turley has some harsh words for the NY legal system.
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4473974-obscene-award-against-trump-is-testing-the-new-york-legal-systems-integrity/
Even alt right MSNBC host Katy Tur is questioning the ruling.
Tur continued: "So, even though the threshold is harm shown, in the past, it has only been used to ban someone doing business when it’s been shown that somebody was hurt. Say you’re selling cosmetics that are poisoning you; there’s somebody that was hurt there, the cosmetics company gets banned."
.
She then asked, "Is this fair to go after Donald Trump like this in this environment, is my question?"
When you've lost MSDNC...
Every single person that sold a baseball card or comic for more than face value can face the same punishment
What about people who tried to pawn a fake Rolex?
Speaking of fakes, what about the thousands of NYC shops that sell "Gucci" and "Prada", and the hundreds of thousands of people who bought these things in order to display more wealth than they actually have?
What about people who tried to pawn a fake Rolex?
That's at least a literal fraud causing financial harm to a victim for a financial benefit to the fraudster. The loan caused harm to neither Trump nor Deutsche Bank, and the statements of financial condition were only tertiary to the loan.
Already sent an email to Garland about Antique Road Show.
Wait until Sotheby's starts getting NY DA inquiries on the cost of artist's brushes and paint and the last Picasso sold.
"That painting is only worth about $50!"
OK, it might be $500 so the artist gets a living wage.
Shoot, you might as well add the idiots who try to sell something at Pawn Stars.
...and there's the feature. Pick your political opponent, charge them, rinse and repeat lefties are nothing if not short sighted.
Turley huh? What is he some kind of legal expert? Joe Lancaster made a compelling libertarian case for obscene awards in cases where their is no victim just a couple days ago. Who you gonna believe?
Lancaster actually came out against the ward, even though he wrote 6 paragraphs about how gross Trump is.
Lancaster is like Sullum. I can't bring myself to read the entire screed.
Kathy Hochul saying the quiet part out loud. Oops.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hochul-tells-ny-businesses-not-to-fear-about-trump-verdict-nothing-to-worry-about/ar-BB1it3Uf
Wow.
Additional frivolous legal action against Musk’s companies are proof that isn’t true.
California and New York (and Delaware) have told their business communities that they can now be destroyed for purely political reasons. Texas is about to become the country’s economic powerhouse unless it does something retardedly wrong.
Totally not fascism.
Sarc, who below accuses me of having a preference for emotional reasoning, would prefer you don’t use that word because it hurts his feelings.
Was laughing hard when he inferred yesterday everyone but him was a fascist as he applauds political convictions.
What they’re trying to do to Trump, they can easily do to you or me. We are now at the mercy of any DA whom you anger.
The old ways are the best. Time to end the experiment with this "rule of law" thing.
What are we in Florida?
Chopped liver?
Bring your business to Florida, and you will thrive in a place with no income tax.
Firearms related business especially welcome
Businesses sure can't up and move in days, but I wonder if any of the NY pols actually thought of the consequences before pushing so hard to get Trump on trumped-up charges.
Well, no, I don't wonder. Of course they didn't, they are politicians.
Politician: The businesses can leave, as long as they keep employing people and paying taxes.
"I wonder if any of the NY pols actually thought of the consequences"
Maybe, but don't forget orangemanbad.
...I wonder if any of the NY pols actually thought of the consequences before pushing so hard to get Trump on trumped-up charges.
No, because it is more important to destroy Trump than to abide by any rule of law, up to and including the Constitution. Just ask Sarc and Jeffy.
“I think that this is really an extraordinary unusual circumstance that the law-abiding and rule-following New Yorkers who are business people have nothing to worry about because they’re very different than Donald Trump and his behavior,” Hochul responded.
I mean. This is the entire appeals. This is all that is needed. Selective political prosecution.
If you're not running for office as a Republican, New York won't be going after you for inflating your property estimates.
If you’re
notrunning for office as aRepublicanDemocrat, New York won’t be going after you for inflating your property estimates.They'll probably attack any Libertarian, Green, or independent like RFKJr as well as any Republican.
Has anyone reported what the actual loan balances were with Deutsche Bank?
San Francisco Appoints First Noncitizen to Serve on Elections Commission
https://www.kqed.org/news/11976026/san-francisco-appoints-first-non-citizen-to-serve-on-elections-commission
Doing the jobs Americans won't do?
At least the jobs where Americans don't act subservient.
Lying Jeffy doesn’t want you to know about this for some reason:
BREAKING: Anti-Catholic Drag Queen Adam Westbrook was arrested and is facing four counts of possession of child p*rn and four counts of sexual exploitation of a child.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1759037125104673227
Woahh. Hold up a second. We haven't heard the other side of the story. Sarc and Jeff will be mad.
Reminds me of these heroes too:
Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence chapter apologizes after member charged with masturbating in a park
"The Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office said numerous witnesses observed Clinton Monroe Ellis-Gilmore “sitting in his truck with the door open, masturbating,” for at least an hour during an Aug. 12 trip to Table Bluff County Park in Loleta.
“It’s obvious, you cannot help but see this guy, he’s not hiding it. He wants everyone to see what he’s doing.”
Was that before or after story hour?
It wouldn't be perpetual otherwise.
The only way it could get better is if one of the counts of CP possession was actually a misidentification of a copy of Snow White.
One drag queen got arrested, therefore all drag queens are pedophiles. It's irrefutable. Disagreement is proof that someone doesn't know shit about logic.
/sarc
You’re nothing if not predictable.
Your dearth of logic and preference for emotional reasoning makes you just like the leftists you hate.
What emotional reasoning?
I'll point it out next time you do it.
So you made up some bullshit again. Got it.
You’re nothing if not predictable.
No. Do it now, troll.
When you're done licking my balls, look down.
Well that one's a keeper for the next time you pretend you're all about rational debate... or is this going to get blamed on Tulpa again?
Cool, make sure to include a link so people can see what I was responding to. More than likely you won't, because you like to lie by omission.
You were responding to getting called out for making a baseless insult, lol.
Damn you’re so dumb.
Sarcasmic honestly thinks his response is the only one that everyone else can see, and whatever bullshit narrative he invents will have to be accepted because nobody can read any of the preceding posts.
Youre doing well today buddy.
Someone got his dose of liquid courage this morning. Maybe he’s up to threatening me again.
Nah, he’s too much of a weak little pussy bitch for that.
The emotional reasoning that leftists don't care about pedophiles. Leftists like /sarc have risen above such petty concerns.
Your emotional reasoning is that if you hate X, and some X have attribute A, then all X have attribute A. If you like X, and some X have attribute A, then they are the only X that have attribute A. That the emotional reasoning that you all use every day.
Pour /sarc. Still can't treat people as individuals. Has to lump "you all" together when responding to an individual.
I’m stating an observation, ass. I didn't say all Trumpalloos or all Republicans. I means specifically you three asshats in this thread.
Haha, he got you there.
You created a strawman and then rant against everyone else. Lol.
Youre doing well.
Fucking dumbass Sarc. You really are just a booze soaked retarded punching bag.
You’re cute little attack doesn’t refute my observation.
This right here is what you three (plus a few other individuals) demonstrate as reasoned argumentation in these comments every single day.
Did you really just link to another strawman you created when people in the very thread you kink to differentiate between non violent and violent protestors?
You linked to you doing what you accuse others of here? Lol.
You linked to your own crazy accusations as evidence that other people can't present reasoned arguments?
Oh wow. You must be considered somewhat of a marvel in hypocrisy and projection circles. Anthropologists should really study Sarc.
Nobody here has claimed or used the word all except for you dumdum.
Is this your logic class lesson 4? You creating strawman and then projecting others for being illogical?
Aren't you the one who claims that he'll hate x just because a person he hates likes x?
Isn't that just a logical fallacy? Not really emotional. Just wrong.
Like:
Nothing is better than ice cream
Crackers are better than nothing
Ergo, crackers are better than ice cream
And the argument is not that. The argument is, since drag queens and some homosexuals show a better than average proclivity for molestation it is not a good idea to have them around children for the sake of inclusiveness. Most kids don't understand why men are dressed like girls and what impact that has on their lives other than to appeal to the 1% that may grow up to have the same inclination.
When drag queens insist on reading to little children in costume, it leads to the natural conclusion that helping the children take an interest in reading is not their primary goal.
Imagine a hetero stripper insisting on her (or his) right to read to little children in costume. You can bet your booty the LGBTQWERTY freaks would be up in arms.
Drag queens reading to children are pedos by self-definition.
And, /sarc, try to respond to what I wrote, don't drag [sic] in Trump, and leave the insults to my other comments where I deliberately bait you.
Drag queens reading to children are pedos by self-definition.
Prejudice much?
Didn’t read the rest of it much?
There you go again, skipping what you want, to mislead everybody.
Or possibly their identity is wrapped up in their costumes, and they just like to dress up before reading to kids.
Oh, I agree, their identity is wrapped up in their costumes.
Most sane people think it strange to insist that little kids must be forced to watch a pervert read to them.
And here's something else you can not quote when you respond: reading to little kids while in drag is perverted, because drag queens are over-sexualized parodies of women. When was the last time you heard of any drag queen wanting to read to little kids while dressed like a normal woman? No, they want the world to know they aren't real women, and they want the kids to know that too.
Pedos by self-definition.
Tell that to Eddie Izzard. He'd probably kick your ass.
Does he fuck children too?
Your logic here is that because some drag queens are pedos, they're all pedos. Eddie is a crossdresser, so by your logic he's a pedo.
They're dressed exclusively in fetish/hooker/stripper outfits and trying to hang with kids. Put two and two together you woke lunatic.
They’re flamboyant homos. Homos like men, not children.
I've had many gay friends and acquaintances over the years. Some liked kids, and were attracted to men. Some didn't like kids, and were attracted to men. One got into trouble for something kid related. One.
Your claiming that he represents them all.
No, they're not gay you fucking lunatic. They're people who get a sexual kick out of dressing up like hookers and showgirls. Gay men like actual men. Not imitation hookers and showgirls. 90% of crossdressers are straight or bisexual.
Hey, /sarc, hate to be the one to have to bust your bubble, but "children" and "men" are not mutually exclusive. Some "children" are "men" as far as homo pedos are concerned.
90% of crossdressers are straight or bisexual.
Eddie isn't. And I'm pretty sure something in the neighborhood of 100% of drag queens are homosexual.
Nice to see you equating homosexuality with pedophilia.
Quite the opposite. You're the one equating gay men with the Drag Queen Story Hour pedophiles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestic_fetishism
I've never seen a drag queen that wasn't a flamboyant homosexual. So yes I'm equating drag queens with homosexuality because that's all I've ever seen. I could be wrong. But that's what I've seen.
Holy shit sarc just admitted he’s friends with a pedo!
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I’ve never seen a drag queen that wasn’t a flamboyant homosexual. So yes I’m equating drag queens with homosexuality because that’s all I’ve ever seen. I could be wrong. But that’s what I’ve seen.
Lol. Sarc is ignorant. He defends his ignorance as fact. Doesn't take 5 seconds to see if his ignorance is factual.
Drag queens, otherwise known as “female impersonators," are most typically gay cisgender men (though there are many drag queens of varying sexual orientations and gender identities) who perform and entertain on stage in nightclubs and bars.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-things-lgbtq/201801/the-psychology-drag
Now one could also see that they primarily perform in night clubs and bars. As it is largely adult expression as seen by the sexual nature of even their Christmas shows. Sarc doesn't care. His boyfriend Jeff supports drag and children so he does.
As we know, sarcs primary consideration of a topic is whether the people he hates is for or against it.
"So yes I’m equating drag queens with homosexuality because that’s all I’ve ever seen. I could be wrong. But that’s what I’ve seen."
How many drag queens in Portland, Maine do you personally know in order to craft your anecdotal fact?
Show me where he insists on reading to little children while dressed like a pervert.
Oh, I see, you don't differentiate between little children and adults.
You said that all drag queens are pedos.
I don’t know which part of which comment you will misquote, but what everyone except you knows, when a drag queen insists on his right to read to little kids while dressed as an over-sexualized parody of a woman, that is perverted and he is a pedo.
what everyone except you knows
Every. Single. One.
Since it's a fact that they're all pedos, it follows that vigilante justice on anyone in drag who wants to read to children will never harm an innocent person.
No sarc, he said: “Drag queens reading to children are pedos by self-definition.”
That’s not saying all drag queens. That’s saying drag queens who self select to read to children.
Herr sarc threatens violence yet again.
Izzard is a self-described transvestite, not a drag queen. He wears women’s clothes because he likes it and performs for adults. I believe he stopped wearing women’s clothing too as he aged and got into more dramatic roles.
Almost as doubtful as you pulling that off. Sure hope you actually try though.
When drag queens insist on reading to little children in costume, it leads to the natural conclusion that helping the children take an interest in reading is not their primary goal.
To be fair, I haven't seen that this drag queen in particular is trying to read to children, or invite them to a burlesque show. But maybe that's the case and I'm not aware of the evidence. It's more damning when it comes out from people who are actively trying to gain access to more children and they're demonstrably pedophiles.
They’re not individuals. They’re all the same. Only a fellow pedophile would say different.
Right alphabetroll?
Still can't respond to the meat of the matter.
I responded above, oh prejudiced one.
No, you responded to only part of the comment. Here, I ask you again, please, kind sir, respond to the rest of it.
Right here.
Nope, try try again. Quote what scares you, and respond to it.
Sarc final}y said something sensible!
You make me laugh sarc.
His mental drunken breakdown the last week has been quite hilarious.
He's obviously on a roll today.
Now parse all the people who might vote for Trump.
I doubt many drag queens support Trump, which only adds to the hatred and contempt his supporters have for them.
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Ah yes. The typical “That’s not what you think! I’ll tell you what you think!” emotional outburst that passes for logical reasoning in these parts."
Lol. You're becoming a legend, champ.
Google non sequitur, my logically-challenged friend.
I know what non sequitur means my linguistically challenged friend, and that isn't it.
You get these wrong on purpose, don't you? Like how you have never once applied 'ad hominem' and 'strawman' correctly despite years of people correcting you and posting definitions.
If what I said was directly contradicting someone and telling them what they think, then it would follow. But I wasn't doing that. So it doesn't. Jesus H Christ on a surfboard.
Sarcasmic "I doubt many drag queens support Trump, which only adds to the hatred and contempt his supporters have for them.
Also Sarcasmic: "Ah yes. The typical “That’s not what you think! I’ll tell you what you think!” emotional outburst that passes for logical reasoning in these parts.”
Who do you think you're kidding? People can read, Sarckles.
Yeah, and the ones with brains think you're an idiot.
Jesse will be here to defend you shortly. I already took a shit today, so I'll leave you guys to your fun.
Being called a hypocrite for being a hypocrite isn’t a non sequitur.
Defend what? You proving you dont understand what words mean? Lol.
so I’ll leave you guys to your fun.
Sarc-speak for running away.
Woosh.
You are criticizing people for lumping all drag queens into the same profile. I was wondering if you could be discriminating about Trump supporters.
Show me a Trump supporter who supports people in drag. Just one.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/lady-maga-loneliest-drag-queen-america-1234703303/
Care to admit how fucking wrong on every topic you are?
Will even add this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8_l1PsJuOo
Damn. You’re getting smoked today sarc.
But do you hate them all for supporting Trump, no matter how different their reasons might be?
See /sarc's comment above where he turns one person into "you all", for an example of /sarc's understanding of individuality.
You all, sometimes shortened to y'all, means the you that the person is talking to. In this case three individuals exhibiting the same behavior.
When will you realize everyone here sees your constant hypocrisy Herr sarc?
'Imagine a hetero stripper insisting on her (or his) right to read to little children in costume. You can bet your booty the LGBTQWERTY freaks would be up in arms.'
How about some reading by folks from the local Handmaid chapter, in costume?
Imagine a hetero stripper insisting on her (or his) right to read to little children in costume.
You're equating no clothing with dressing up? Dude, that's R Mac level stupidity.
Uhhh .... they are called "strippers" because they, uhhh, "strip" their costumes off.
Which is the same as keeping clothing on. Damn you're smart.
How come these men are wearing the same costumes strippers start off their shows in, just to read to kids, Sarkles?
How come none dress up like Mrs. Doubtfire?
Where's the mom jeans and simple blouse like real women wear?
Why is it always stripper/hooker outfits if it isn't about sexual stimulation?
Last I checked strippers weren't a culture. It was a job.
What the fuck does culture have to do with uniforms, cosplay and work clothes?
Why do you need someone in a stripper outfit reading to kids?
Strip club culture is a thing, just sayin.
Awe, pour sarc. He mad.
Yeah, he even got shouty, let his inner SQUIRREL show.
Pour Sarc indeed.
"One drag queen got arrested, therefore all drag queens are pedophiles."
It's the forth drag-queen-story-hour advocate to be arrested for kiddie porn since the beginning of January, Sarckles. It's a pretty niche advocacy group to have so many pedophiles, don't you think?
Four were arrested? Well then, that's proof that they're all deviants.
Now apply that logic to J6.
In a month and a half.
Pretty high stats for a group of men who just want to read to kids in fetish gear. If that were Catholic priests you'd be shitting yourself.
If that were Catholic priests you’d be shitting yourself.
No, I would treat them as individuals. Like rational people treat drag queens.
The fuck you would, you save that solely for men in fetish gear who want to hang out with unrelated children.
Ah yes. The typical "That's not what you think! I'll tell you what you think!" emotional outburst that passes for logical reasoning in these parts.
Your arguments tell us what you actually think, not your protestations of innocence.
Just like you called me a "you all" individual?
https://reason.com/2024/02/18/indonesias-free-market-superblocks/?comments=true#comment-10450839
Three individuals, actually.
Which three, you, Pluggo and Jeffy? You, M4e, and misconstrueman?
Lot of leftist tranny mass shooters lately too. Which is conspicuous given how few of them there are.
Fascist sarc demands you support the arrest of 1200 trump supporters with a goal of 2000, even though 85% non violent.
Weird ask sarc.
Some protesters were rioters, therefore they’re all rioters.
Some drag queens are pedos, therefore they’re all pedos.
Some J6 yahoos were violent, therefore THE REST WERE PEACEFUL YOU FUCKING LEFTIST FUCKING FUCK DON’T YOU FUCKING DARE APPLY THE SAME LOGIC TO MY TEAM!
Hey, the baiting's working, getting you to get all shouty.
Pour /sarc.
Still drunk from yesterday and his trolls are failing so he's going to get loud.
He just wants to show off that superior logic.
Logic (not the emotional logic of leftists) is or isn't. There's no such thing as "superior" logic.
Lesseeee.....
Logic includes emotional logic which is inferior to real logic but doesn't really exist because logic only is or isn't because it can't be superior.
Got it.
Emotional logic is not logic. Idiot.
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I’m just pointing out what passes for logic around here. I remember when the political right was more rational than this. Before they emulated the leftists they hate and embraced emotional logic.
You really can’t make this stuff up.
I mean, seriously sarc, how drunk are you? Those posts are ten minutes apart.
Lol
Sarc is about to get 86’d.
Sarc. If there is one thing 90% of the commentariet here agrees on, it is you never having a logical argument.
It is strawman, lies, bald assertions, personal attacks, cries of victimhood.
You've never presented a logical argument retard.
I'm just pointing out what passes for logic around here. I remember when the political right was more rational than this. Before they emulated the leftists they hate and embraced emotional logic.
Nice concern troll, wokie.
I mean you're the one who started with a strawman from the outset buddy. Now you're trying to say it was me who shit up the thread after 20 of your posts. Lol.
What a delusion, pathalogical shit head you are.
Who here has said all except for you pedo sarc?
Kinda like the guy who showed his junk during story hour.
A lie mixed with a strawman. Lol.
You think only one drag queen has been arrested? Lol. And he never said all. Good work buddy. Doing well this weekend.
The Antagonizer in Chief has showed up. Thanks for shitting up the place. I needed an excuse to stop using the stupid computer.
Why did you lie about what he said sarc?
Youre the one here throwing shit at everyone you hate, but we know you're the real victim. Lol.
Yes, we know you’re here. Now leave Jesse alone.
turd hardest hit!
That's the best, smartest, and most intelligent thing you've said all week.
He's just scared because he knows his turn getting shot in the back of the head and being dumped in a ditch is coming.
I get that Jews cannot write the name of God, even as God so they use asterisks, but to use them in the word porn?
Crazy social conservatives are a hell of a lot better than child porn people, but still fucking weird and creepy
Quelle surprise.
This article reminds me of /sarcasmic. Completely ignores some very important aspects. I'm all in favor of getting rid of zoning and central planning, and believe private ownership of streets and roads is entirely feasible. But this article just ignores so much that it is useless.
* How do fire engines and ambulances get around?
* How do people move, as in relocate furniture and other possessions from one house to another?
* How do stores get stocked?
Obviously all these things do happen one way or another in a city of 11 million people, but the discussion is so one-sided without these aspects as to be worthless.
How do people move, as in relocate furniture and other possessions from one house to another?
Simple, you don’t own furniture. Or if you do, it’s extremely minimal. Plus, you can’t really afford to move anyway because you live in a slum, so why would you need to transport furniture?
See, the problem is upscaling it to the realities of how the first world lives. Even really poor people in the US own furniture, they take advantage of infrastructure, they travel from place to place with frequency. Poor people in the third world do not do these things.
You don’t necessarily need high levels of city planning, but also, not everyone can just decide they’re going to build their own road through an urban area.
You're getting closer to recognizing individual capabilities. Try a little harder.
People can't "just decide they’re going to build their own road through an urban area" without violating other people's rights. That takes government. Without government, people have to talk to each other, negotiate, buy easements and purchase options, cooperate, coordinate, and otherwise act like individuals who have to get along because they cannot co-opt government to violate other people's rights.
"act like individuals who have to get along because they cannot co-opt government to violate other people’s rights."
*Gasp* The horror. /sarc
If you can afford the furniture, you can afford to pay several men a few cents each to carry that furniture through a mile of narrow twisting alleys.
Your comment reminds me of /JesseAz. The article didn't mention things that you think are important, therefore the author is a leftist who voted for Biden.
What a sucker! So easy to bait. Still can't respond to the comment itself. You add nothing to any discussion except laughing points.
My response to your comment is that the article keeps using the term "superblocks" which implies, to me anyway, that the answer to your questions is that the roads surrounding the superblocks are must allow emergency vehicles and delivery trucks to get close enough, and the narrow streets are sufficient to get things to and from the main roads.
Coincidence: Last night I was watching an old episode of _Dirty Jobs_ where Mike Rowe worked with a San Francisco garbage collector in Chinatown. (Season 1, around Episode 6.) This wasn't picking up bins or bags on the street. The garbage worker parked his truck, he and Rowe took empty bags and walked up a narrow alley, he had a key to open a door, and they walked back and back through a narrow and twisting corridor until the finally reached a large bin overflowing with garbage. I have no idea how that bin got there; perhaps they built the building around it. They filled up their bags, not too full because of the narrow spaces they had to get through, walked back to the truck, emptied the bags, and went back for more.
It looked to me like emptying that bin required at least a dozen round trips, at 5 minutes a trip. In the third world, that would work because you can hire a manual laborer for a few cents an hour in cash, no paperwork, no insurance or pension, no taxes, no record of employment at all, and the guy is glad to get some paying work! But in the USA, that's two hours of labor at government union rates (plus insurance, pensions, and payroll taxes) for one trash pickup. If the city breaks even, it had to charge over $75 for this.
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The Antagonizer in Chief has showed up. Thanks for shitting up the place. I needed an excuse to stop using the stupid computer.
Who is shitting up the place sarc? Lol.
Everybody is poor.
All else follows.
* How do fire engines and ambulances get around?
It's much easier after a few blocks burn down.
* How do people move, as in relocate furniture and other possessions from one house to another?
They don't. They pass their hovels on to the next generation.
* How do stores get stocked?
The same way the Romans did it -- pulling hand carts full of stuff around.
The Romans banned all wheeled vehicles from the city in the daytime. If you needed a daytime delivery, someone _carried_ it through the crowded streets. If you had to go out and didn't want to walk, two or more men would carry you in a sedan chair. When the sun went down, the crowds would thin and the wheeled carts would move in to deliver most food and other items, and to carry away the trash and empty the buckets under the latrines.
The good(?) news is most of the outgoing part of this flow was for free to the tenants and apartment owners. The "honey collectors" made good money selling fertilizer to the farmers and urine to leather makers and laundries. The trash was picked through for anything that could be reused or recycled; because labor was so cheap, usually there'd be enough profit in this to pay the collector. E.g., with a bit of discarded cloth, first you'd see if it could be sewn together with other pieces in a patchwork garment or cover. If not, perhaps it could be picked apart into fibers which were spun into threads and woven into cloth again. If the fibers had become too worn for that, mix them with tar or grease and seal the cracks in a wall or a ship.
This article is bizarre. What exactly is Mr Beyer saying? Privileging the "no government free market solution" is always the MO for a Reason editorial. But this is strange in the extreme. The sentiment comes to this: people (presumably poor) without cars and not a lot of land will organize their buildings into "superblocks". No need for urban planning but maybe a little graft to make the wheels turn so to speak. Everyone lives happily ever after. And so what?
But rich societies with people who own a lot of vehicles do not do that. They need to make space for vehicles: storage, roads, repair etc. In other words they need to plan since all that heavy construction takes, well, planning. And then the planners (and the people at large) realize that all of these cars are a real problem. And then those same planners create superblocks. Barcelona here we come.
Urban design is complicated by too much car freedom: freedom to own and drive a car, build a road, drive where and when you want etc. Cars are a problem. Very few people in a modern society wish to live near a highly trafficked through road (just look at property values). Housing developments in Canada and the US are largely built around the efficient use of cars, not of daily human life. Design and planning emphasizes segregation of cars and their roads from people and their homes. The cul de sac developments are emblematic of this thought. The segregation and setbacks are a sign that cars and traffic are a major problem for most people. But those designs also force people to use cars for all of their mobility needs. A vicious cycle.
Mr Beyer could have contrasted his illogic by looking at the urban planning process in Japan and South Korea. In those countries, urban planning specifically deemphasizes the use of an automobile. In fact, you are penalized for ownership. In Tokyo, car ownership rates are very low. And Tokyo is, as anyone who has been there knows, less a large city and more a collection of towns that have grown together. Zoning is very light and so businesses and trades are organically placed in a neighborhood. People get around with excellent public transport, bikes, walking. Sounds like a "superblock" and it largely is. All with planning.
You've got the right idea, in parts.
Then you lose it and go full central planning.
And then you go full retard.
You make it seem like people want cars for themselves but nobody else. You sound like those celebrities surrounded by armed bodyguards who want the State to forbid everybody else from defending themselves.
You don't seem to understand that without a State, people are entirely capable of choosing for themselves whether to live near streets and roads because they want a car, or living without, of making that tradeoff. You think the State must make that one single choice for everybody.
Fuck off, slaver.
Part of the problem can be that people really do want cars for themselves and no one else. Madison, WI is a large city growing larger and needs more housing. There is push back to this as more housing in the form of multiunit apartments means greater density, meaning more traffic, meaning harder to drive my car. NO direct I don't want more people to have cars, but indirectly.
Cars are only a problem if you have a bias in favor of limited personal mobility.
A more objective view would talk about trade-offs. Yes, I live in a suburban neighborhood and can't walk just a couple of blocks to find shops, bars, cinemas, etc. But I can get in my car and in tens of minutes find all these things and more, including getting out of town in any direction I want.
Pro-Soviet MAGA spokesman Tucker Carlson professes his love for totalitarian central planners, 16% interest rates, and Stalin slave labor subways.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-raises-interest-rates-fourth-time-half-year-inflation-struggles-persist
#MAGAforPutin
Is you goal to post the same idiot idea every day?
And is this some kind of personal fetish you need to pleasure yourself?
“Is you goal to post the same idiot idea every day?”
The dumbass made a post almost every day for a year denying inflation was happening, except for spittin’ tobaccy.
Shrike is probably the dumbest idiot commenting here, and that includes misconstrueman, Misek, and a certain troll from Maine.
"And is this some kind of personal fetish you need to pleasure yourself?"
That's what the kid tied up in his basement is for. This is because he's mad he lost his Open Society fifty-centing gig and blames us.
Large-scale Russian invasions of Ukraine under Trump: zero in 48 months
Large-scale Russian invasions of Ukraine under Biden: one in the first 13 months
Biden is a failure in both foreign and domestic policy. (You'll vote for him anyway.)
The retard admitted that he was for joe because Obama was behind him.
So we have to add Crimea to that list.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
I see our resident deviant in Chief has chosen to puke up some stupidity for us.
After three years of howling about HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP all the GOP has to show for it are some goddamn dick pics.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/15/fbi-informant-charged-with-lying-about-joe-and-hunter-biden-00141784
#HunterBidensPenis
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"BREAKING: Anti-Catholic Drag Queen Adam Westbrook was arrested and is facing four counts of possession of child p*rn and four counts of sexual exploitation of a child"
turd creams his jeans.
The bank records, the 200 bank issued Suspicious Activity reports, Wire transfers from China listing Joe Bidens home address, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter’s business partners he said he didn’t meet, the voicemails to his son, the two business partners advertising Joe as “The Brand”, the “big guy” and “the chairman”, the two whistleblowers testimonies, the recorded phone calls between Biden and Poroshenko, the video of Joe bragging about the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor, email showing Joe’s VP office helping Hunter directly, and Hunter’s statements about having to give his father half his income, show definitively that Alexander Smirnov was telling the truth.
Wrap your head around what you're celebrating, Pluggo. They're charging a witness for accusing the president of corruption in the most blatant attempt at a chilling effect ever.
If this was Putin charging his accusers you'd call this fascism and you'd be exactly right. It is fascism, pure and unadulterated.
This is why you're a fascist, Buttplug.
Not to mention the art shows, the phone calls, and most glaring, all of the original denials from Biden about his having NO participation or knowledge of any of Hunter’s business. Memory holed.
And then there is the immediate participation in the proxy war in of all places – Ukraine.
If you can’t connect those dots, Butty, well, go back to the penis pics.
You brought this up the other day (Friday, I think), and you got told it's a red herring then. Why do you still keep posting the same stupid shit everyday? Is it because you think some time some one might actually buy the bullshit you're peddling?
Donald Trump faces more than $500 million in legal penalties. Will he pay it? Can he appeal?
The hundreds of millions of dollars in losses 'is going to put a very severe cashflow crunch on Donald Trump,' one expert told USA TODAY.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/02/17/donald-trump-court-losses-finances-appeal/72407719007/
Will Vlad pay Donnie's legal bills?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
The 1980's called.
They want their foreign policy back.
Neocons gonna neocon.
Are you celebrating political persecution again, Buttplug? Enjoying your two minute hate of Emmanuel Trumpstein?
If you were libertarian or even liberal, you'd be absolutely horrified. This is why you’re a fascist, Buttplug.
So no problem with politically motivated persecution of opposition candidates, driving them to the poor house if they can’t find anything to send them to jail? And you’re okay with the government suing citizens in private court when even their supposed victims don’t see the need to sue them? And whatever happened to the idea of unreasonable and excessive fines?
There's an unsupported assumption here: "walkable" cities have an innate value.
Prove that before bloviating regarding how they come about.
Benefits to residents include;
- economic savings from having one family car of no car at all;
- health benefits from walking, a great cheap exercise;
- lower health impact from less vehicle accidents;
- greater interface with neighborhood, means better business for local shops;
- better air and water quality, less emissions and less runoff.
It is about tradeoffs and "vehicle friendly" vs "walkable" each have assets.
You can save money with fewer possessions of all types, not just cars.
You can walk in any city, even New York and San Francisco, famous for being walkable cities. I’ve done it. I’ve also walked in non-walkable cities.
Fast access to doctors and hospitals, and more choice from a wider area, are important too.
If all you care about is creating inefficient jobs, you can do that right now. Pay more for less choice, that is available right now. And we can also get rid of tractors and big efficient farms, get back to every family having their own little farm, if creating local jobs is so important to you.
I thought EVs were going to eliminate all pollution. Huh. Guess I was misinformed.
ETA that "vehicle friendly" is one of those phrases like "property rights" designed to mislead. In both cases, it is human interests at stake, as in the human friendly aspect of owning a vehicle, and the human right to own property.
Higher mortality rate from accidents as there are no allowances for motorized emergency vehicles?
More fatal multi-dwelling fires because of higher density housing and (once again) no motorized emergency vehicles?
Reduced opportunities in mobility for disabled people?
This
Yeah, the air quality might be better. Not so sure about the water and sanitation though.
I'm not so sure about the air quality either.
When the garbage trucks can't get through, the air becomes quite foul. And in situations like this, it's unlikely that sewers are present and working, so the air is foul and infections run rampant.
Imagine how happy and healthy we would be if 8 billion people could live in the same apartment block!
You don't need a walkable city to get that cheap exercise. You can just walk up and down the hallway. Or stairs.
Sure there are benefits from having amenities in walking distance. Walking per se is not one of them. I mean, if you could just ride an elevator to them, that'd be even better, and the only exercise would be for your button-pushing finger.
By not being able to afford cars.
What is this fetish for "walkable" cities. I'd much rather live in a rural or even suburban area than a city, whether walkable or not. The automobile is one of the greatest inventions in the history of the world.
There are numerous reasons to want to reduce the number of cars. First thing is that cars are expensive to purchase and maintain. Even creating an environment where just one car is sufficient for a family can have significant economic benefits for the family.
There are trade-offs, even though cars are convenient.
It's an individual choice, not yours to make for everyone else.
Isn't someone always making those choices for a groups of people. In choosing to make a vehicle friendly city you can force people to buy cars, to avoid walking or bicycling. In the same way that making a walking friendly city may limit what you can do with a car.
Here is what I suggest happens naturally. Urban areas begin, having lower density and are more car friendly. As the areas develops density increases and individual vehicle transportation becomes a problem. So as density rises it makes sense for urban areas to look for mass transit for moving people over greater distances and having more walking friendly areas at the stopping points for the mass transits systems.
Live where you want, and pay for the lifestyle you want. And don't annoy others by telling them how they should change to be like you.
I agree with you, but would also note that people have to accept that change will happen. You may like the place you live but over time the place may change and you either accept that or move to a new place more to your liking.
We used to have an environment where one car was sufficient. Because taxes were low enough that only one person in a household needed to work.
Two people always work in a typical household. Do you think my grandmothers did not work? And it was more than taxes that went up in price.
Fuck off, slaver.
Yeah the thrust of the article seems to be that poor people are capable of utilizing the resources available to them and creating a micro economy without government planning. Good on them. But the results mirror the WEF 15 minute city that the elite imagine is the future for everyone. If those ghetto dwellers had the opportunity to live like the average middle class American they'd abandon their shacks in a heartbeat. And buy a car. They should be able to have the same opportunity where they are but that requires one fundamental resource, cheap energy something that our masters are determined to deprive us all of. There is plenty of vacant buildable land on the planet and centuries worth of cheap energy.
"Walkable" is a horrible ableist term! Surely the differently-abled will be permitted to drive *their* vehicles -- explicitly *not* called "cars" -- in these cities!
Oh Jesus, here we go again.
"Why does Africa have drone delivery when America doesn't?!!!"
Gee, Reason, I wonder if there are some economic conditions at play in Indonesia that cause people to all live, jumbled together in mega favelas where you can't tell where one house begins and the other ends?
Oh and:
*ctrl-f hong 0/0*
Amazing that you can write about these jammed together favelas and not even mention Hong Kong's most famous, densest slum in the world, known as "Kowloon City".
Here's a documentary on it:
"when we first started looking into the Kowloon Walled City, also known as the densest city in the world, we thought for a place that's essentially a slum full of crime, drugs with subhuman living conditions. There sure is a lot of romanticization about this place. In Japan, they even built a giant arcade that mimics parts of Kowloon. And I get it. The city looks like it came straight out of a dystopian sci fi novel. It's a giant megastructure part architecture, part living organism, and it's actually something architects have been dreaming about for years. One continuous structure where you could access all the necessities of daily life but evolves and grows with time. But there's also stories after stories from people who's lived there or visited there that claim to have fond memories of this place, describing it as an energetic, industrious patchwork of chaos with a strange, compelling beauty.
Look, I get it. There's something about late state libertarianism that romanticizes our 'cyberpunk' future: A corporatist, high tech dystopia-- the decaying society where you've got implanted technology in your face but the elevator doesn't work and the garbage isn't being picked up. But this is where I'm starting to part ways.
Oh, and they tore town Kowloon city because it was a slum full of crime, poverty and every other societal ill that one could imagine. But it sure was dense and unregulated!
A veritable Paolo Soleri arcology.
P.S.S.: Anyone interested in anarcho-capitalism and how human beings can successfully organize themselves into an unregulated, living organism should watch the above documentary. It explains how general rule-making went about, how things like trash pickup and mail delivery was organized. It really is fascinating and it's a must-see for any libertarian.
But it also confronts some realities that anyone interested in these types of anarchistic enclaves is going to have to grapple with. How criminal gangs essentially were responsible for things like Justice and due process, and how-- if an anarchism can't control its borders it will, in the long run, cease to exist.
"To deal with crime, they organized groups of volunteers to escort single women".
I'm imagining Reason's DC-dwelling girl-bosses having to be escorted everywhere because that's the answer to violence against women.
"Sorry, we can't do anything about the violent crime and and people doing the victimization, but we can provide you with an escort!"
Can't help but grin when I read this by itself and think of just about every government in existence.
There's some truth in this. So we have to decide which gang of criminals we better trust to handle due process.
More rage fuel for sarc:
Guatemalan national arrested in Providence on child molestation charges
https://www.abc6.com/guatemalan-national-arrested-in-providence-on-child-molestation-charges/
So now we know where turd came from and where he is.
Cultural enricher. I hope he had a food truck.
If your population is too poor to afford cars, you will indeed get walkable cities! Amazing!
Reason's conclusion: let's make Americans dirt poor so that we get walkable cities too! In fact, let's simplify and accelerate the process by importing vast numbers of dirt poor third world peasants!
The Democrats are working on it. First take your money with punitive taxes. Then devalue the currency by borrowing and spending too much. Then mandate denser neighborhoods. Then fund trains that eventually might someday get built and run at a taxpayer subsidized loss.
Solution: get rid of the democrats before they destroy everything.
We should create fenced off reservations for democrats that are all walkable. Democrats clearly hate cars, so we can just take all of them. I’m fact, let’s take everything away from the democrats, and they can eat bugs, walk everywhere, have no electricity, etc.. they can finally have the worker’s paradise they want to inflict on the rest of us. Heck, we could even remove all police in these zones too so they won’t be racist.
Yes they can. Anything where the max speed of either the vehicle (or where the road itself is engineered) works with the speed of people walking rather than intimidating/coercing slower traffic off the road as you clearly prefer and as is currently centrally planned in the US. Wheelchairs, mobility scooters, mopeds, electric bikes or trikes - covered or uncovered, golf carts, cargo/box bikes.
Is mobility libertarian or not?
First, consider distance. How far would you like to go, for personal or business reasons, in a day or over many years? Once upon a time, many people famously spent their entire lives within miles or tens of miles of their birth place. Walking is great, but that means a life that includes just a few miles of travel each day. Cars make daily journeys of 100 or even 200 miles easy.
Next consider speed. Walking, on your own or on a horse, is single digit mph. Bikes might get you to 10 (with a load). Cars made it easy to go 40 to 80 mph (and anywhere you choose). Planes bumped that another order of magnitude to 400-600 mph, and makes true long distance travel possible as a routine part of life.
This whole article is a profound misunderstanding of economics, history, and human nature.
The car is one of the most important inventions of the last 150 years.
As P.J. O’Rourke said in his last interview with Nick Gillespie:
“There wouldn’t BE an America without a car. ”
It allowed people escape corrupt political districts, avoid intransigent transit corridors, corrupt transit unions and their political keepers. It gives you a profound number of choices in where you live, how you live, how you travel, IF you travel. And that’s the reason Urban planners hate the car. It allows you to get away from them.
The car is one of the most important inventions of the last 150 years.
The car is completely useless without all the land devoted exclusively to its use/operation. If that land had no prior use (or no valuable use); then the cost of that land diversion is low so even a low traffic road (aka not much value from the car) can be quite valuable. If that land had very high value prior use, there are many instances where the value destroyed in converting that land to road/parking/etc far outweighs the value of the traffic. Even more so when MOST of the cost of that land/etc is paid by everyone else. IOW - you're getting a free lunch and marveling at the value.
And legs are completely useless without the land available to walk on.
Every resource, include land, has competing potential uses. Yup, we can't grow crops or put housing for hobos on the same square meter as a freeway. But come to think of it, lots of hobos found housing under the freeway. Does that make you happier?
26% of downtown Atlanta is devoted to parking lots. Just parking lots. Add streets/highways/intersections to that and it's a lot more. That is very high value land - the most expensive land in any city - and you can see what % it is in your city. Like every city, building that parking/highway infrastructure obliterated thousands of housing units and neighborhoods. There's a cost to that too.
To move to a different city the Harbor Freeway from Long Beach to LA obliterated just under 100,000 housing units. There was transport before the freeway - probably streetcars since LA was the biggest streetcar system at one time (see Who Framed Roger Rabbit). Maybe rail too. So a transport system or two PLUS 100,000 housing units v the Harbor Freeway and an hours long commute from Outer Asshole praising the wonders of the car. The latter being totally government driven which is at least more 'libertarian' than those here who advocate genocide.
So?
Third - consider cost. There ain't no free lunch. Cars do have an enormous cost that is all borne by res publica. Land for streets and highways, land for parking, money for intersections, lights, traffic cops, the cost coerced onto others for health, injuries, etc.
Ignore the costs for the vehicle itself and the fuel and the transit system even if that is what is motivating many of the anti-car and/or climate activists. If you can't even bother getting a handle on the costs for land, parking, infrastructure, injuries, etc - pretending instead that that's all free; then you're just a fraud.
Third – consider cost. There ain’t no free lunch. Cars do have an enormous cost that is all borne by res publica. Land for streets and highways, land for parking, money for intersections, lights, traffic cops, the cost coerced onto others for health, injuries, etc.
So? How much do you think trains cost, especially when no one rides them?
And despite the cost of all the "car-based infrastructure" is still doesn't raise the general cost of public life in flyover-USA which is markedly cheaper to live in than my much-vaunted, walkable blue city where I don't even have a garage.
How much do you think broccoli costs when no one eats it? How much noise does a falling tree make in the forest when there is no one around to hear it?
Why do you people always change the topic to something that you think makes a political statement instead of staying focused.
Is that all the people in the res, or just those of us who pay taxes? And who want roads.
It's funny that, frequently, the people who decry the 'industrial' farming of chicken and pigs will advocate for "walkable cities", the overlap with people for/against $15-20/hr. minimum wages and the people who thought the Segway was got to be as big as the PC is equally interesting.
Why walkable cities? Why not crawlable cities? Why not by wheelchair with no arms? Why not just lock people in cages and/or keep them in pods?
Not everybody wants to live within walking distance of where their food is grown, where their sewage gets treated, and where their garbage gets dropped off at the landfill and, really, the notion of a "walkable" city is just a tattered veil over the WEF's "Eat the bugs. Live in pods. Own nothing. Be happy." mandate. It's a sales gimmick to sell to rich people in California who think it's a good idea as long as they don't have to live next *gasp* a school or *gasp* a church... let alone something maybe actually kinda sketchy like a liquor store or a homeless shelter.
Why walkable cities? Why not crawlable cities? Why not by wheelchair with no arms? Why not just lock people in cages and/or keep them in pods?
Every journey begins with walking. Every journey ends with walking. Now maybe you want to mandate that the walking begins in your house and ends in your garage where you then change mode into a car and drive everywhere outside your house. That doesn’t increase freedom – changing modes is mandated now. It does however force all public decisions about transport/mobility to be resolved via car. Which means all public land for mobility is engineered for cars, prioritized for cars, and financed for cars. All possible destinations – both inside your town and everywhere else in the US that you might want to go – must set aside land to park cars. All housing must have parking spaces for cars. There really is no such thing as separated costs for housing/shelter and for transport/cars. The two have to be added up and combined since the functions of mobility and shelter are linked together. All public choice that isn’t the car serves solely to diminish the car. Any other governance entity that doesn’t prioritize the car the way you want also ‘diminishes’ and ‘impinges’ on ‘the car’ and therefore your ilk also insists that all such decisions be ‘national’ and that your ilk control them all.
The nanosecond that you allow for the possibility of walking for utilitarian purposes (ie go somewhere rather than just wander) outside your house – and thus including that possibility in res publica decisions – everything changes. Be honest. That’s what you’re pissed about.
Not everybody wants to live within walking distance
Nothing about including walking as an option requires that everybody in the world walk to anywhere - much less everywhere. Again what pisses you off is that walking is even considered an option to be included in public space mobility which is why you are including bugs or some other Davos bogey in your fear – your palpable fear – of walking.
"Every journey begins with walking. Every journey ends with walking. Now maybe you want to mandate that the walking begins in your house and ends in your garage where you then change mode into a car and drive everywhere outside your house."
This may be the stupidest piece of sophistry posted today and we had sarcasmic posting earlier in all his glory.
So Mr. Free Speech banned the twitter account of a guy who made fun of him saying he wore his cowboy backwards and all of his 27 bodyguards were afraid to point this out.
And then suppressed the hashtag about it.
That's an outrage.
But banning The Great Barrington Declaration and shadow banning one of the top epidemiologists on the planet? Just good old Section 230 Apple Pie.
The internet is mocking Elon Musk for wearing his cowboy hat backward, but a Stetson pro says it's correct
You idiots can't even get your two-minute-hate right.
But Carlson, who seems to be going through his foreign-exchange-student-likes-Barcelona-more-than-Paducah phase, misses a few finer details.
So here's Scott Beyer, who seems to be going through his foreign-exchange-student-likes-Jakarta-more-than-Paducah phase.
Every time one of my local pols comes back from vacation in Amsterdam, the douche-bag always muses, "Why can't we have a bike culture here like they have there!!! Make Seattle more like Amsterdam!"
Um, because the hills all are 50% grade here, it rains sideways 9 months a year (and not that Amsterdam doesn't get rain either, but it's a little different when riding bikes on flat ground than it is on this and most importantly, your left-wing, nazified safety-first culture would NEVER allow a mixed-use throughway containing pedestrians, bikes, motorcycles and cars while no one wears a helmet. It would never happen.
But good luck with that!
Doesn’t matter. With these leftist morons, it will always be some stupid idea that makes no sense here.
If you go to Beijing, you'll see that they have no trouble establishing walkable neighborhoods with lots and lots of central planning. Central planning is a neutral concern here.
What's different is that the Chinese assume that you walk to the grocery store every day to buy ingredients for dinner, while Americans assume that you drive to the grocery store every week to buy more food than it's possible for a person to carry.
I wonder which way is better.
Part of the reason for that is the strong cultural bias against refrigerated meat in China. They go to the market every day for freshly killed meat.
Cutting off large residential segments of the city to cars reduces traffic deaths, air pollution, and other negative externalities.
Yea, but then you can't drive anywhere. Or have Doordash or Amazon or Chewy leave everything you want on your doorstep. Domino's Pizza? I guess if the poor schumck likes a hike through the slum.
This is stupid. There's no way any of those negatives you listed outweigh the positives that come with urban planning and modern transportation. Stop advocating for downgrading, luddite.
Those cities grew before automobiles were widely available to most of the population. OF COURSE, most people walked. Of course, cities grew walkable. Wait until everyone has a car, and they need parking spaces.
Superblocks if they foster a sense of community and pushes governmental control to be more local instead of centered would be good. I would not support superblocks that were mandated from above (Washington DC).
The point is that local governance is far superior to state of federal governance. State and federal government always try to force a one-size-fits-all solution, attempting to squeeze a square block into a round hole.
I like having my local community being walk-able, I also detest the wannabe dictators at the state and federal governments and bureaucracies.
I can walk down the street and have a good chance of speaking to the mayor and city council members. I have very little chance of speaking to the governor unless I know someone that has a connection. I have zero change of speaking to the president and probably would be arrested if I even tried.
Of course it would not do any good because the current president puppet would not remember the conversation if I was able to.