Jennifer Crumbley Case Hinges On Whether She 'Willfully' Ignored Her Son's Inclination To Commit Mass Murder
Michigan jurors are considering whether Crumbley's carelessness amounted to involuntary manslaughter.

A Michigan jury today began considering whether Jennifer Crumbley should be held criminally liable for the murders that her 15-year-old son, Ethan, committed at Oxford High School on November 30, 2021. Prosecutors have presented considerable evidence to reinforce the impression that Crumbley and her husband, James Crumbley, who will be tried separately, acted negligently, especially by giving Ethan unsupervised access to the 9mm SIG Sauer handgun he used to kill four students. But the charges against Jennifer Crumbley—four counts of involuntary manslaughter, each punishable by up to 15 years in prison—require more than that: proof beyond a reasonable doubt that she "willfully disregard[ed] the results to others that might follow from an act or failure to act."
Prosecutors needed to show that Crumbley should have recognized that Ethan was bent on mass murder and that she could have prevented that outcome through "ordinary care." But the evidence on that point seems ambiguous at best. "Even in the early hours after the shooting, during the Crumbleys' first recorded talk with the police, the parents appeared stunned to discover their child was suffering from anything beyond sadness," Megan Stack, who has been covering the trial, notes in a New York Times opinion piece published last Thursday.
The pistol, which Ethan's father bought for him the day after Thanksgiving as an early Christmas present, "seems to have been a ham-handed effort to cheer him up," Stack says. Jennifer Crumbley "celebrated by taking [Ethan] to a shooting range, an outing she called a 'mom and son day.'" While Stack describes the gift as "ruinously irresponsible," that does not mean Ethan's mother understood that her son was capable of the horrifying crime he committed four days after receiving the gun.
James Crumbley described his son as "a perfect kid" who never got into trouble, and that impression was shared by teachers and administrators at his school. "There's no indication that he fought with other students, creeped out his teachers or acted up in class," Stack writes. "Kristy Gibson-Marshall, an Oxford High School assistant principal, testified to her shock at seeing him carrying the gun during the attack. She was so stunned, she told the jury, that she couldn't process what she was seeing."
Gibson-Marshall's testified that "it just didn't seem right that it would be him." Initially she "didn't think he could possibly be the shooter," because "it seemed so odd that it would be him." She recalled asking him, "Buddy, are you OK? What's going on?" When "he didn't respond to me and he looked away," Gibson-Marshall said, "that's when I knew it was him—that he was the shooter."
The day before the shooting, a teacher noticed that Ethan was searching for ammunition on his phone during class. He told a school counselor that "shooting sports are a family hobby." Jennifer Crumbley was not alarmed by the incident. "LOL I'm not mad at you," she texted him. "You have to learn not to get caught."
The day of the shooting, Oakland County Prosecuting Attorney Karen McDonald reported, Ethan and his parents met with school counselors after a teacher found "a note on Ethan's desk" that included "a drawing of a semiautomatic handgun, pointing at the words: 'The thoughts won't stop. Help me.'" There was also "a drawing of a bullet, with the following words above that bullet: 'Blood everywhere.'" In between was "a drawing of a person who appears to have been shot twice and [is] bleeding," and "below that figure is a drawing of a laughing emoji." Ethan also had written "my life is useless" and "the world is dead."
Ethan claimed he was developing a video game and the pictures were part of that process. While waiting for his parents to arrive, Superintendent Tim Throne said after the shooting, Ethan expressed concern about the homework assignments he was missing and "requested his science homework, which he then worked on while in the office." Throne emphasized that school officials did not perceive Ethan as a threat to others: "At no time did counselors believe the student might harm others based on his behavior, responses and demeanor, which appeared calm."
Shawn Hopkins, a school counselor, wanted Ethan's parents to seek help from a therapist, warning that the teenager might pose a danger to himself and should not be left alone. They chose to leave him in school—a decision that seems utterly reckless in retrospect. But as Stack notes, "both parents had to work that afternoon, and their son didn't like missing school, so keeping him in class for the rest of the day might have seemed like the best option." Jennifer Crumbley testified that "she gave her husband the list of therapists from the school" and "asked him to start making calls."
School officials let Ethan return to class, underlining their belief that he was not inclined to hurt anyone aside from himself. At that point, Ethan had the loaded pistol in his backpack, which would have been discovered if anyone had bothered to look inside.
Prosecutors argued that Jennifer Crumbley was better positioned than school officials to recognize how deeply troubled her son was. They noted a text exchange in which he had suggested to his mother that their house was haunted, possibly by a demon. Crumbley testified that she perceived that comment as facetious, since she and her son had previously joked about the possibility that the house was haunted.
Prosecutors also cited a journal in which Ethan "had written about a plan to cause bloodshed," accompanied by drawings of guns. "My parents won't listen to me about help or a therapist," he wrote. But his mother said she had never seen the journal or heard her son request psychotherapy.
Crumbley also said storage of the gun was her husband's responsibility, since he was more familiar with firearms. "I just didn't feel comfortable being in charge of that," she testified. "It was more his thing, so I let him handle that. I didn't feel comfortable putting the lock thing on it."
The evidence presented at trial certainly did not make Jennifer Crumbley look like a model parent. Prosecutors argued that she was inattentive, distracted by an extramarital affair and her expensive horse riding hobby. But it is by no means clear that her conduct amounted to the sort of "gross negligence" required by the manslaughter charges.
To convict Crumbley, Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Cheryl Matthews told the jurors before they began their deliberations, they "must decide that the shooter's actions were reasonably foreseeable," The Detroit News notes. "They must determine that Crumbley knew of the danger her son posed to others and that, had she used ordinary care, the deaths could have been avoided."
It is "not enough that the defendant's acts made it possible for the crime to occur," Matthews said. "You must find beyond a reasonable doubt that the deaths were a natural or reasonable result of the defendant's acts."
Although the shooting at Oxford High School "may have been foreseeable in some abstract sense," Andrew McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor, noted in National Review after McDonald charged the Crumbleys with involuntary manslaughter, "it was certainly not foreseen in concrete reality." Yet the manslaughter charges require the jurors to conclude that Jennifer Crumbley "knew of the danger her son posed to others."
The Crumbleys plainly failed to responsibly store the gun. But at the time of the shooting, Michigan had no law requiring safe firearm storage. In the absence of that option, McCarthy argued, McDonald relied on an inapposite statute. Since Michigan legislators "refused to criminalize the conduct in which the Crumbley parents engaged," he wrote, prosecutors were "attempting in the heat of the moment to criminalize the conduct themselves."
During her closing statement on Friday, Jennifer Crumbley's lawyer, Shannon Smith, argued that the prosecution, "one of the first of its kind," was an attempt to criminalize parenting decisions that have disastrous but unforeseen results. "This case," she said, "is a very dangerous one for parents out there."
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Mary Stack?
Well, if the untrained mother, with experience of only one child is being charged, what about the trained, educated, experienced with many children, "professionals"?
Or does union membership include immunity?
Or does union membership include immunity?
Oh, I think we all know the answer to that question.
I dislike this argument. It’s like saying, “Parents can’t possibly know if the kid is trans, we have to relegate the responsibility of making that call to the experienced professionals at the school!”
In truth, neither of them should be criminally responsible for the fact that this kid wanted to kill other people. There’s no way you can look at a kid and determine that it’s “likely” he’s going to kill other people and isn’t just being a kid saying weird things. Though I could understand some civil negligence cases against the mother for responsibly storing and keeping track of the firearm.
especially by giving Ethan unsupervised access to the 9mm SIG Sauer handgun he used he used to kill four students
Is there an "unsupervised clause" in Michigan law? Or are they trying to convict the mother because "guns"?
They are providing cover for the school staff who were trained to detect this kid, and missed the boat.
"Is there an “unsupervised clause” in Michigan law? Or are they trying to convict the mother because “guns”?"
I'd say that you have it right.
I'd like to see how the "prosecution" would safely store a gun from a 15 year old. Oh! Wait! There's no legal requirement for that.
The main problem I see is the Jury voting to convict "because "guns"".
Who pulled the trigger, Jennifer Crumbley or her son?
Punishing "Party A" for the doings of "Party B" does NOT lead to justice! (And as others have commented, why not blame the teachers, the administrators, the police, doctors, social workers...)
Because guns are doubleplus ungood and this family is pro gun, which makes them an enemy of The Party.
Sure, let's blame the government for everything in our miserable existence but at the same time, handcuff them from having any effect or control of these situations. You probably don't have kids, based on your poorly formulated opinion here, nor have you dealt with the public school system. Our system is set up to serve the public and has very little power to control behavior in kids, nor should they. That is 1000% the parents responsibility and these sperm and egg donors did everything but pull the trigger. Manson was guilty too, right?
I have ONE kid and and he-she-it (I hate to ID myself even slightly, with the hateful fanatics that abound hereabouts on these pages; who knows, they might fire-bomb my house in the middle of the night if they knew who I was) has been told OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN about certain matters, and he-she-it has generally NOT listened very well at ALL!!! (Well, maybe until recently.) Us stupid geezers know NOTHING!!! So WHY in the name of Government Almighty is it fair or just to punish ME for the doings of my offspring? Are YOU ready to be held ransom by YOUR offspring? "Buy me a fancy, sexy, expensive new car or I will kill someone and blame YOU!!!"
I hear you. But we should know better to not give our children guns or access to guns without our supervision. I do that with the TV and it's pretty easy. Guns are even easier. Plus, I do listen to everything they say and ask them how they are, whether they want to tell me or not. You listen closely and pay attention. That is your obligation as a parent. No excuses. If you can't handle your child or feel they are out of control you have options until they turn 18.
I hear you also. Thanks! You sound like a decent humanoid... All too rare on these comment pages! As I've often told my offspring... Stuff and stuff gets complicated, whenever living things, let alone humanoids, get involved! It seems to me that today, the conservatives (especially Trumpistas) have ZERO tolerance for complexity or nuance!
That is 1000% the parents responsibility and these sperm and egg donors did everything but pull the trigger.
And if the 15 YO drove his car into a crowd? Or threw a Molotov into the classroom?
You bootlickers only focus on the misuse of guns. No other misused item is ever scrutinized. Unless, of course, the perp is black, the victims are white, then it's the fault of a red SUV.
I thought the case was going to come down to the question of whether failing to check the sons backpack was culpable inaction? What happened to that argument?
It always seemed to be the strongest one to me.
re: "The Crumbleys plainly failed to responsibly store the gun."
How is that plain? Based on the evidence presented in the article above, even if it had been locked up, the son would have plausibly had access to the family gun safe. It was, after all, a gun that had been bought for him and which he'd been taught to use safely at a range.
If I'm looking at this as a civil charge, I'd argue that the gun should basically be held in trust for the son, who isn't old enough to own it, and can only fire it when supervised and therefore doesn't need unfettered access to it. That alone may be insufficient because he's old enough to be responsible for his actions, so you have to stack that together with her poor parenting and missing that there's what seems to have been warning signs about his instability.
It's not a case I'd push for criminal liability. She can't have known to a degree, more likely than not, that he was going to shoot up a school. Nobody can think of their kid. She definitely seems like a shitty parent which is probably why the kid was so messed up, so she'd be a good target for civil lawsuits.
re: "held in trust"
Interesting proposal but that is not the legal standard in any US jurisdiction now or at any time in the past.
There have been many never before proposed legal theories getting approved lately.
Why not join the parade?
Well, I'm not the prosecutor, and I'm not certain what argument the PROSECUTOR is making, but MY argument would go something like this:
1. Teenagers can't own pistols. Parents own pistols.
2. Fifteen-year-olds don't have fourth amendment rights. Parents have fourth amendment rights.
If parents are called into a school for an emergency meeting, and are informed that their 15-yr-old-son, sitting right in front of them, has engaged in behavior that made the school administration worry about school-shooter scenarios, then EVEN IF the parents have EXCELLENT reason to believe that the school is overreacting and their son would never constitute a threat...
There is still a pretty obvious parental responsibility here to verify that the parent's pistol is not currently being 'stored' or 'transported' INSIDE the school. That's just obvious. You get a warning that your son might be planning to shoot up a school, you check that your son does not currently have one of your firearms inside the school. Basic Due Diligence. Doesn't MATTER if you think he would never do that, you still have to check that he ISN'T currently doing that.
So, either you drive home right now, and open the gun safe, and check to make sure the pistol is still there....
Or you just do the obvious thing, and check that the pistol you know perfectly well that your son has access to is not currently in your son's locker, his backpack, or his pockets. And then you can worry about whether or not it's properly stored in the gun safe LATER. Because parents don't need a warrant to search their 15-yr-old son's possessions.
Therefore: There was an incredibly obvious very simple measure to verify that the gun was not stored IRRESPONSIBLY by verifying that the gun was not currently INSIDE THE SCHOOL. And if the parents had taken that step, all resulting deaths would most likely been prevented.
In theory, this exact same argument works ALMOST as well against the school administrators, though, so maybe that's why I'm not hearing about this PARTICULAR argument being raised very much. Or maybe there's some other reason. I'm not a lawyer, and I stopped following this case after the parents were initially arrested two years ago.
Amen Krenn. Couldn't have said it better.
Your number 1 is false. Teenagers may not buy handguns but they most definitely may legally own them. Whether received as gifts, inheritances or other, they are the owners in every legal respect.
Your number 2 is also false. Children are not chattel. Their rights may be subordinate to the parents' rights but the rights themselves do not cease to exist. The most obvious counter-example to your claim is for orphans who nevertheless may not be arbitrarily searched or seized.
I'm not sure how to comment on the rest of your post except to note that it has little to no connection to the facts of this case.
The most obvious counter-example to your claim is for orphans who nevertheless may not be arbitrarily searched or seized.
Fuck. [Flips 'OPEN' sign on salt mine back to 'CLOSED']
yup
a gun that had been bought for him
This is the culpable activity when we're talking about a psychotic 15-year-old.
As a jury has now said.
Jennifer Crumbley’s child committed murder about two years ago. Michigan is trying a person who did not commit murder a little over two years later.
Gerald Goines lied under oath to obtain a falsified search warrant and killed two innocent people and was charged with two counts of murder four and a half years ago and has not yet been tried by Texas five years later.
See the difference? No?
I see a big difference. Goines did what he did deliberately, knowing it was wrong, and without regard for the rights or the safety of others.
>>Crumbley should have recognized that Ethan was bent on mass murder and that she could have prevented that outcome through "ordinary care."
if she knew her son was bent on mass murder more than ordinary care was required.
Prosecutors argued that she was inattentive, distracted by an extramarital affair and her expensive horse riding hobby.
Oof. While that paints a picture of your typical upper-class liberal wine mom, there are so many of those types of Karen out there that it's absurd to claim that this somehow resulted in a mass murder. If that was true, there would be no one left alive in the United States.
This is just the state trying, without success, to criminalize the parents of kids who do illegal things. It's making the father pay for the sins of the child rather than the other way around, but both are absurd.
Maybe put the kid on trial, since they did the deed, and leave it at that. It's tragic enough as is, and putting the parents through even more grief and guilt serves no one.
>>criminalize the parents of kids who do illegal things
yep. this.
I was going to say, so we can criminally charge parents for failure to exercise "ordinary care"? Asking for they/them...
ya and which way the the ordinary blows will depend on which court you're in especially on the they/them thems
She should definitely be acquitted but I think as a matter of public policy she was correctly prosecuted.
So, you should prosecute people that you think are actually innocent? Would that be to let other people decide, or to punish someone with the process?
If this were a single day in court to hear both sides present evidence and have a jury deliberate and decide, that might be one thing. But our right to a speedy trial has not been intact for a long, long time. This gal has been in court for how long now? The incident was two years ago.
No. I reserve decision as to innocence to a jury. In cases where a minor has committed such crimes, there should be a rebuttable presumption of parental responsibility - as a matter of public policy - and a trial is the best place for such rebuttal.
It's not a novel idea - cf. strict liability, which is more stringent, and exists as a matter of public policy. Here at least the presumption is rebuttable.
This would impose on parents a degree of responsibility for the conduct of children in their care - a fine conservative principle commonly espoused in other areas - without the unjust outcome that strict liability can lead to.
The child was not in the parents' exclusive care. Would the school staff also share this third-party liability? Why stop at the parents when "it takes a village to raise a child"?
Strict liability is not the legal standard here. Nor is any other "not novel" standard you might prefer.
The penalty for being a shitty parent is civil, not criminal.
Jennifer Crumbley's lawyer, Shannon Smith, argued that the prosecution, "one of the first of its kind," was an attempt to criminalize parenting decisions that have disastrous but unforeseen results.
She’s on the right track, but short of the truth. This is an attempt to criminalize gun ownership by making the owners criminally responsible for any outcome. Imagine whether any DA would prosecute a case where similarly troubled kid, of which there are millions, using a car to commit a senseless murder.
The idea is to increase the costs of gun ownership so fewer people will make that choice, same as smart locks and other requirements.
As the NYT article notes, since son was charged as an adult, it’s contradictory to then say parents are responsible for his acts.
That's a very good point.
Similar to how many states treat killing a pregnant woman as double homicide, when, in other circumstances, the woman can choose to have the fetus (or unborn baby--this isn't the point) terminated (abortion) and it's not murder.
The point is that the "justice system" likes to have it's cake and eat it too, as the saying goes.
Jennifer Crumbley did not have to know that her son was going to commit mass murder, what she had to know was that giving her son access to a gun was a poor idea. The parents here seemed to know that the young man was experiencing difficulty. I don't think you give a young person a gun to cheer them up. If anything displays of sadness would suggest that a gun is the opposite of what they need. I would be concerned about drug use and suicide if a young person were displaying sadness. That doesn't mean I would hustle them off for mental health treatment but I would be keeping an eye on the kid.
I hope this case is not seen as a gun's right case, but rather a gun responsibility case. Whether there is a law requiring firearms to be secure or not, parent need exercise care with firearms. There is a case for minor above 16 who has hunter training to be allowed unsupervised use for hunting, but that about the only case where a kid should be unsupervised with a firearm.
What she had to do in order for Involuntary manslaughter to be the charge is either:
a) Intend to kill the victim
b) Intended to do great bodily harm to the victim
c) created a situation where the risk of great bodily harm or death was very high, knowing that as a result of the defendant's actions he or she knew that serious harm or death would likely result (My emphasis).
Not only is she responsible for creating the situation-ie, she did this herself, not failed to prevent through negligence, it has to be the result of HER actions-she had to know that death or injury was a likely result. She had to KNOW there was a risk of her son hurting other kids and know that her actions were causing that risk.
If a parent wanted to press a civil case of negligence for improperly securing a firearm and also being a shitty parent, we'd be looking at a different standard. I think there's a very good civil case to press against her for whatever assets she has because she was clearly a shitty parent. It isn't about whether she made bad choices, the question is whether she directly caused deaths she should have known she was causing. That's an extreme standard and these charges shouldn't have been brought.
wasn't there also a "reckless, egregious, and culpable disregard for PLAUSIBLE outcomes of serious harm or death?" standard? was that a different charge?
I understand your point but there have been employers charged when they put employees in situation that resulted in their death. It could be said that Jennifer Crumbley actions were similar to an employer that had unsafe equipment in his shop. Neither Ms. Crumbley nor the employer expected anyone to get killed.
I also add that the parents had been alerted to the school's concern, they knew the young man had a gun, and at that point had an obligation to locate that gun and secure it.
They were concerned about him hurting himself, not that he was about to go on a rampage. And it's not hard to imagine a parent who just sees their kid as acting out, not having some assumption that he's likely to start shooting people. You're putting the standard on them that they absolutely should have jumped to that conclusion and had a necessary burden to prevent it when such things are so rare that they're outlandish.
The problem is that this acting out isn't obvious or apparently deranged. It can just be innocuous behavior of a kid that likes morbid imagery and is completely harmless. I don't see her as having a duty to mind-read.
The question isn't whether she was negligent, that's a civil standard (and I think she might be liable). The question is whether she should have known as a likely consequence of her own actions that harm was imminently likely.
Why would you gift a gun to your child if you are concerned that they would injure themselves? If you are concerned about a child why would you not want to account for gun and make it secure? The parents can think of the child turning the gun on himself but not on others. People think of depression as an inward facing condition, but it can for some people depression results in outward behavior directed at others. There is no reason to think that an individual who might turn a gun on themselves would not turn it on others also. I think there is a case here that goes beyond civil penalty. The prosecutors have made their case, I am willing to let a jury make the decision here.
This just seems like such a bizarre attitude to me. Almost every kid I knew growing up had unsupervised access to firearms once they learned to shoot and be responsible with a gun. Usually we first learned at six and “graduated” to being able to go hunting on our own some time between the ages of eight and twelve, depending on the kid. No one would have ever thought to confiscate our guns because we were sad anymore than they would have thought to confiscate our vehicles or pocketknives or the contents of the family medicine cabinet. Sadness is a normal human emotion. Teenagers are moody. They break up with people and feel misunderstood and if they’re in public school they’re probably the dealers or the recipients of at least moderate social torture. None of us ever shot anybody or ourselves. Admittedly a lot of kids I know now I wouldn’t give a gun to even at ten or eleven, but we all grew up working with animals and machinery that was a lot more dangerous and unpredictable than a properly used gun. Of course you need to store your guns so your toddler or small child can’t get them, but a fifteen year old is more than old enough to be responsible for his own actions.
So after this is over, there will be a deluge of lawsuits against single mothers in urban areas who raised little gangbangers. Holy disparate outcomes Batman!
The only thing deterring lawsuits is that these single mothers in urban areas do not have assets to confiscate.
Prosecutions? Most definitely.
The State has taken a parental role through it's funding of the lifestyle and taught the moral hazard that no action should have consequences so can we start licking up leftist politicians?
I have great difficulty seeing how this clearly negligent person crossed the bright line between inadvertently facilitating a crime as opposed to making herself a willing accomplice in that crime.
The proposed expansion of government's ability to accuse anyone of any crime at all seems ominous.
She gave a gun to her 15 yo son, who was not legally allowed to have a gun. Yes, her conviction was proper. Lets hope other parents think twice about giving kids guns.