'The Most Horrible Thing I've Ever Seen': Alabama Executes Inmate With Experimental Method
Kenneth Eugene Smith was likely the first person in the world to be executed by nitrogen hypoxia.

Last night, Alabama executed death row inmate Kenneth Eugene Smith in what is believed to be the first ever execution by nitrogen hypoxia. The experimental method has come under scrutiny in recent weeks, with a United Nations spokesperson going so far as to declare that the execution method "may amount to torture."
Smith, 58, was sentenced to death for the 1988 murder-for-hire killing of Elizabeth Sennett, a 45-year-old preacher's wife in Sheffield, Alabama. The state first attempted to execute Smith in November 2022 but ultimately called off the execution after prison officials failed to place an IV line to begin the lethal injection process.
Smith's first attempted execution was part of a series of botched executions carried out by Alabama, which led Gov. Kay Ivey to place a moratorium on executions in November 2022. However, she lifted the pause in February 2023, following an opaque internal investigation.
While Alabama began carrying out lethal injection executions again in July 2023, Smith had already initiated a legal battle to be executed instead by suffocation with nitrogen gas, a largely theoretical execution method approved by the state Legislature in 2018.
The state originally pushed back against Smith's request, arguing that they did not have proper facilities and procedures to kill Smith through the experimental method. But the Supreme Court disagreed, denying cert to the state's attempt to overturn an earlier ruling allowing Smith to choose execution by nitrogen hypoxia.
In an apparent attempt to save his life, Smith's lawyers have pivoted in recent months to instead argue that nitrogen hypoxia would lead to a tortuous death for Smith and that the experimental nature of the execution meant that the state could not guarantee a smooth execution.
"The evidence establishes that executing Mr. Smith by nitrogen hypoxia using the Protocol would subject him to a substantial risk of serious harm," Smith's lawyers wrote in December. "It is undisputed that depriving a human of sufficient oxygen (below normal levels but above fatal levels) can cause dire consequences short of death."
The Supreme Court rejected a last-minute attempt to halt Smith's execution earlier this month, and Smith's execution began shortly before 8 p.m. on Thursday night. According to a witness report obtained by CNN, Smith made an extended statement before he died, saying "Tonight, Alabama caused humanity to take a step backward," and adding." I'm leaving with love, peace, and light."
Witnesses reported that Smith was strapped to a gurney with a gas mask affixed to his face. Smith remained conscious for several minutes after nitrogen began flowing into the mask, and he appeared to be holding his breath for as long as possible. He "struggled against his restraints" and "shook and writhed on a gurney." Witnesses additionally reported that Smith eventually began breathing deeply, before his breathing slowed and finally stopped. He was pronounced dead at 8:25—about 15 minutes after prison officials began the flow of nitrogen.
"There was some involuntary movement and some agonal breathing, so that was all expected and is in the side effects that we've seen and researched on nitrogen hypoxia," John Hamm, the Alabama Department of Corrections Commissioner, said in a press conference Thursday night. "So nothing was out of the ordinary of what we were expecting."
While prison officials were cavalier about Smith's execution, others who witnessed his death were not so relaxed about the apparently grisly process.
The execution was "the most horrible thing I've ever seen," the Rev. Jeff Hood, Smith's spiritual adviser, told CNN. "An unbelievable evil was unleashed tonight."
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I wonder what the second most horrible thing the Rev. Jeff Hood has ever seen is? This sounds pretty tame for an execution.
I don't like the state having the power to kill like this, but if they are going to do it, this seems like as good a way as any.
Clearly the Reverend didn’t watch as this man and his accomplice repeatedly stabbed Elizabeth Sennet to death, leaving a bloody mess all over her home.
SCOREBOARD! +1, selective squeamishness noted
I wonder if there is any offense that "the Reverend" would find deserving of death (after an honest trial with sufficient, honest evidence)? Killing with malice apparently didn't meet his standard for deserving death.
Would the killing of children meet his standard? How many young corpses would be required stacked up to get over his threshold? Would evidence that the children were killed relatively slowly by evisceration meet his "standards"? How about if forensic evidence showed that he skinned the children alive? How about treason that resulted in the deaths of American servicemen? Would there be a minimum number of military casualties secondary to the treason that would "merit" death? Is there any offense that would cause the good Reverend to approved of, either "gently" or brutally ending the malefactors life, perhaps a particularly terror inducing method that would deter similar "infamias"?
FWIW, a 9 mm HP entering the low occiput below the inion and aimed upward is (1) cheap, (2) fast, (3) effective, (4) fool-proof, and (5) painless. But the condemned, without benefit of sedatives, should have to watch the pistol removed from a decorative case and loaded, one cartridge at a time, and the executioner slowly walking around behind him, before the lights suddenly go out. It should not be "easy" for the condemned as he or she (women are, after all, equal, are they not?) considers his/her immediately impending flight into eternity!
I'm guessing he wasn't at the scene of this guy's crime(s).
Oh, and thank goodness the UN dude was there to tell us how horrible we are, while their employees in Gaza turn out to be some of the ones holding the Israeli hostages. Screw them.
I doubt that is UN policy.
I agree, I don't trust the state to only execute the right people, but nitrogen hypoxia is probably one of the best ways for anyone to go. The torture comes from knowing you're about to be executed.
Smith had already initiated a legal battle to be executed instead by suffocation with nitrogen gas... The state originally pushed back against Smith's request, arguing that they did not have proper facilities and procedures to kill Smith... But the Supreme Court disagreed... In an apparent attempt to save his life, Smith's lawyers have pivoted in recent months to instead argue that nitrogen hypoxia would lead to a tortuous death for Smith
They don't give a shit about whether the method they requested amounts to torture. They want to keep someone duly tried, convicted, and sentenced from escaping their sentence. And not out of any sense of ultimate justice or moral good or extreme caution, because it's the punishment they sought when they thought the state was going to get hung up in a perpetual "We'll get back to you..." but because it's the gravy train that keeps them paid and comfortable enough with themselves to sleep at night.
I have to agree. This sounds like a guy struggling not to get killed, not someone necessarily in even a little bit of pain. If that's really "the most horrible thing" he's ever seen, he's led a very sheltered life.
Yeah, sounds like his only struggle was trying to avoid breathing the nitrogen. Which was probably pointless. The whole reason why nitrogen was considered appropriate is that you really don't feel it. It's CO2 buildup that gives you the sensation of suffocation, not lack of O2. So once he gave up trying to hold his breath, he probably felt very little.
Yes, holding his breath was pointless. Avoiding inhalation would only have a purpose if inhaling the substance could hurt you, but inhaling nitrogen is harmless.
The mechanism of action for nitrogen hypoxia -- that is, hypoxia -- is the same effect produced by holding your breath. So if he had somehow succeeded at holding his breath, there would have been no difference.
Except holding your breath allows CO2 to build up in your system and causes actual physical pain/discomfort. Breathing in nitrogen and breathing out doesn't allow carbon dioxide to build up so your body doesn't feel that physical distress.
Which is why anyone working with cryogenic nitrogen or argon is always trained to be very careful.... with regular breathing allowing the CO2 out of your lungs, it is perfectly possible to be unaware that you are about to pass out due to low O2 if the boiloff rate of cryogen becomes too high.
If he hadn't held his breath and just relaxed, there should have been nothing to see other than a guy just sort of stopping.
(Not that I generally approve of capital punishment since it really is irreversible if you've got the wrong guy, but that's a different topic)
I got that too. It was a panicked, instinctual fight for survival. Against the METHOD OF DEATH THAT HE CHOSE AND FOUGHT FOR. A method that we know beyond any shadow of a doubt is painless and cannot be felt.
This is nothing but spin to the point of being outright lies.
Yeah. I myself would like to express discomfort with decisions about punishment for criminals being based on what Rev. Jeff Hood is uncomfortable with. F that.
And really, what’s wrong with doping the guy up with something many people find to be dangerously pleasant, like fentanyl or heroin, prior to the fatal dose of gas? It would be the kindest thing to do, at least with regards to Rev. Hood’s discomfort. If that’s what we want to report on after the fact, anyway.
Sounds just like the leftist reporter's description of shooting a whimpy 22 caliber AR15.
Emma doesn't like the death penalty. I am totally ok with Emma and her band of agreeing followers deferring a death sentence by paying ALL the costs of keeping the prisoner alive.
Otherwise, shut up. You are just trying to steal my money to keep the worthless prisoner alive. I do not want to pay one dollar for these guys, and would happily expand the Death Penalty to include other crimes.
Maybe there are better ways to do it, but he was uncomfortable for 15 minutes before being totally dead? That doesn't sound that bad, no matter what. He certainly deserved it, if the reports of his crimes are even close to accurate.
The jury disagreed. They knew the victim deserved to live and died horribly, they were Southerners, and they still decided 11-1 for life without parole. It was the judge who overrode them. Under today's law that can't happen.
Sounds like he was as big of a POS in death as he was in life. The dipshit gets approved for the easiest execution in world history, and then selfishly tries to undermine anyone else getting that humane method. What a fucking loser.
Good riddance.
“An unbelievable evil was unleashed tonight.”
Yeah, unleashed from this mortal coil.
Precisely.
Emma, you've been told a million times to stop exaggerating your hyperbole.
Hyperbowl? Is that some sort of Star Wars sports thing?
It's smoking a joint and rolling balls into pins.
ref. The Big Lebowski.
It sounds like the "horrible thing" was that the guy struggled against being executed, not against the particular method. Prisons strive mightily to prevent inmate suicides. Why not just give the means to death row inmates and let them do the deed themselves? Those who refuse can be put down with traditional methods.
Why not just give the means to death row inmates and let them do the deed themselves?
The Canadian solution.
MAID in Canada!
Any inmate who wants to kill themselves has sufficient means.
I don't know why but I'm still always surprised when the government is given a straightforward task, like depriving someone of oxygen resulting in a quick death, and can't do it.
Are you suggesting they should have put some loosies and a bag of MJ in his pockets?
Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying.
"Tonight, Alabama caused humanity to take a step backward,"
LOL!
Finally! After the unbroken decades, if not centuries, of forward social progress led by Alabama, for *one night* Alabamans lead humanity in a step backwards.
I think I lost the logical trail with the first "Alabama leading".
The most amusing thing Critical Delusion has produced is the hysterical idiocy, wherein something suspect on first glance and glaringly untrue under the slightest critical examination, is spewed at 200 decibels, with exaggerated verbiage and oni mask expression. If you've seen a 2 year old trying to convey that she will die if she doesn't get to stay up another 20 minutes, it's like that.
"Dying by nitrogen" is basically the same as dying by helium (this happens to people sometimes when they inhaling helium so they can talk funny), death by nitrous oxide (inhaling to get high), or death by carbon monoxide (accidental or deliberate suicide). What happens is that no oxygen reaches the bloodstream. The human nervous system is not designed to react to a shortage of oxygen (it is designed to react to an "excess" of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere), so you do not feel any physical pain. The knowledge that you're going to die is something else, of course. And, I suppose it's "natural" for the body to go into convulsions with the shortage of oxygen becomes acute. I don't know how conscious someone is likely to be at that point. But I'm sure it isn't pretty to watch.
The human nervous system is not designed to react to a shortage of oxygen (it is designed to react to an “excess” of carbon dioxide
I didn't know that.
Many years ago the English writer/director/medical doctor Jonathan Miller gave a TV demonstration of that where he breathed air in a closed system that removed CO2 and he passed out as he didn't sense that he was running low on oxygen.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2213697/
It's why people revived after blundering into oxygen-free spaces report that they felt nothing to warn them.
re: "I don’t know how conscious someone is likely to be at that point."
We actually have a lot of data on that. Based on the experiences of cleaners and maintenance techs who somewhat-regularly die from nitrogen hypoxia when they enter nitrogen-filled rooms, they fall unconscious fairly quickly and show no symptoms or reactions until they're dead.
Yep. He was struggling because he knew what was coming, not because he felt anything.
"Smith remained conscious for several minutes after nitrogen began flowing into the mask, and he appeared to be holding his breath for as long as possible. He "struggled against his restraints" and "shook and writhed on a gurney."
That almost sounds like he was faking convulsions while holding his breath.
Apparently he held his breath for three-four minutes, then convulsed for five minutes
That is pretty much guaranteed to not be true.
I trained to hold my breath in the pool (long ago, not now) and could manage a minute before starting to black out - and that's without moving.
After 3-4 minutes you start to actually cause damage to your brain.
Some fat dude isn't shaking and thrashing in restraints for three minutes - he was likely out in 1.
Dude there are divers that can hold their breath for 10 minutes. Anyone can do it if they train early. 3-4 min might be possible for this guy, certainly 2 min bc I could do 2 min when I was a kid after practicing for a few weeks.
I don't even know about faking convulsions. Plenty of people tend to struggle and/or get antsy just holding their breath. Part of plenty of dive training regiments is undergoing it (passing out from holding your breath and/or suffocation) at least once to make sure you don't flip out and endanger the people trying to save you.
Personally, the whole thing makes me hurt for humanity's soul. Not because we executed a man but because of all the "He'll die within 3 breaths." and "They should build a chamber to execute him." and "It's like nitrous oxide." and "it's the most horrible thing I've ever seen".
If you think this is the worst thing you've ever seen or that he was probably going to die within 3 breaths without struggling against his restraints or whatever, you really do have no idea what this guy's victims went through when he stabbed them to death do you?
It's like all those people out there eating beef and sausage and whatever and then seeing someone, not a vet, castrate an animal or lance a cyst right there on the lot or dispose of a dead piglet and say "That's inhumane!" Dude, where have you been for the last 10,000 yrs. of humanity?
Honestly, I got in a breath holding contest with somebody while taking a scuba class in the 70's, and while the first minute was unpleasant, after that it got kind of peaceful, at least until the instructor yanked me out of the water. I suppose an awful lot of it is your frame of mind, and how much experience you have with holding your breath.
Kenneth Eugene Smith was likely the first person in the world to be executed by nitrogen hypoxia.
And likely the millionth person to die of it.
He was pronounced dead at 8:25—about 15 minutes after prison officials began the flow of nitrogen.
Is this a long time?
re whether he and the other two should have executed. The real scum here - the husband who paid his tenant and his tenant then paid these two to kill his wife - killed himself when he was first suspected. After admitting what he had done to his sons and family. The tenant was sentenced to life and died in prison. Parker and Smith were sentenced to life by the jury and the judge overruled and sentenced to death (by a law that Alabama now considers unconstitutional). Parker was executed 15 years ago. Smith now after a botched execution.
Without knowing the specifics of what happened in this case, it's likely he was dead before that. That 15 minutes comes straight out of the death warrant, which said they would administer nitrogen for 15 minutes, or until 5 minutes after a flatline on the EKG, whichever happened sooner. Since they pronounced him dead at 15 minutes, I'm going to assume that's right in line with when they called it and turned off the nitrogen.
I certainly wouldn't want to be executed, but this may or may not be more horrible than any other method.
Not really. They would have needed to have left him there, unbreathing, for a while in order to make sure it was done and he wouldn't end up waking back up.
Isn't this the method used for the 3d printed suicide pods? Why the pod if a mask works? If you get in the pod voluntarily; because you are trying to off yourself, does it appear less disturbing?
Why the pod if a mask works?
(a) Masks, plastic tubing, and nitrogen are all readily available and cheap; therefore, you can’t sell them for thousands of dollars, and you can’t win an Innovator Award from the pro-euthanasia activist community.
(b) As we all know very well now, wearing a mask is unpleasant and unnatural, especially if you want to enjoy your last few minutes. Lying on a couch to take a “nap” seems a lot better.
(c) With all the involuntary twitching and flopping you could pinch the hose or knock off the mask, ending up incompletely brain dead, which actually would be very bad.
C. Seems like a silly argument. That just means the executioner intentionally decided to not finish him off. That is on the executioner ultimately, but I'd mostly put it on the anti-dp activists for forcing ineffective procedures.
A gunshot won't necessarily succeed in killing a person. It would be silly to assert that the failure of that bullet means the convict is forced to live with the damage of the botched execution. Load another bullet and finish the damn job.
I don't understand how an execution could fail unless the executioners refuse to or are prevented from using a method that exceeds the minimum necessary force and a backup option.
People wholly untrained with weapons manage to kill thousands of people every year, sometimes even by accident.
How do we know they're untrained?
Compare reports of 'X number gunshots fires" against reported
"gunshot casualties" and "gunshot deaths".
Yeah, but about 60% of those are point-blank range and self-inflicted.
Google says “According to industry estimates, approximately 8-10 billion rounds of ammunition are sold in the US every year.” and “There were 42,987 gun violence deaths last year.” and “18,874 The number of firearm deaths, excluding suicides, in 2023”
18,874 vs 8B rounds fired is 0.00023% of bullets. So 99.99976% of bullets don't kill anyone.
Just do it in the car. Put on a perfect circle “the nurse who loved me” and you’ll be out before “pet” comes on. Put the seat back first though.
"Smith had already initiated a legal battle to be executed instead by suffocation with nitrogen gas"
Maybe he shouldn't have asked for it? Sounds to me like it was just a delay tactic.
>>"Tonight, Alabama caused humanity to take a step backward,"
isn't Causing Humanity to Take a Step Backward in their Charter?
So, at last, they have something in common with Progressives.
I've never understood the hyperbole and hysteria from death penalty opponents.
With the almost infinite amount of evil in the world, I could not imagine getting too upset over a few dozen heinous criminals being gently put down each year even if I were very opposed to the DP in principle.
I think there are a good number of people here who agree with you there. I don't support the death penalty. But I'm not shedding any tears for a person clearly guilty of horrible crimes being executed.
Oddly while I oppose its use, I find myself arguing for the death penalty more than against it because the anti-death penalty crowd is so deliberately deceptive. If you have to lie to defend your position, you obviously don't actually believe in your arguments.
I can't argue with the idea that "too many mistakes have been made" or "we shouldn't kill people when it's avoidable". However, there is lie after lie from the anti-death-penalty crowd. Just like here, pretending that a very easy and humane methods of death is torture, or even that people are still alive after beheading.
It must come as such a relief when you know that only one side of the debate lies!
But you must really struggle with the abortion debate, in which both sides routinely lie ("it's a baby" vs. "it's a parasite").
If only there were some way to make up your own mind without relying on others...
Oh yes, the abortion debate does infuriate me. Neither side wants to accept the unquestionable negatives of their position. The right doesn't accept the damage their moral absolutism causes, and the left just pretends that the intended effect doesn't happen and ignores the huge emotional and psychological damage that the procedure can entail.
On the other hand, I don't see how the "it's a baby" is a lie. After all, an unborn fetus is clearly a human being with a separate genome that will develop into an independent person. It's alive by every scientific definition we have. The only exceptions are clearly ad-hoc workarounds to try and justify abortion.
If you're curious, my position is the "least of a choice of evils". There are no good stories that end in an abortion clinic, and we need to prevent people from taking desperate measures. However, we cannot ignore that this is ending a life. In short, while Roe might not have been good law, it was the least-bad policy.
ya it's not the death of the heinous criminals it's the 100% likelihood of human intervention destroying the nature of the justice system
I'm somewhat agnostic. On the one hand, I do believe there are actions a person can take that forfeit their own right to exist. On the other hand, I don't trust the government to decide something with such finality. You can exonerate someone in prison for life, but exonerating people sentenced to death comes too late.
That said, there are cases where the only opposition to the death penalty I can understand is either literally or effectually a religious argument. Nicholas Cruz, for one. He did it, it's beyond heinous, and there's no possibility we've gotten him confused with someone else. He really should be removed from society. If you're opposed to killing him, you're either relying on God to perform justice, or else you have some moral prohibition against killing that amounts to a religious position.
You may know the saying, "hard cases make bad law".
So, apparently, do easy cases...
Because the government always fucks up, and that means they will invariably execute an innocent person sooner or later. What's more with the advancement of AI, eventually it will be impossible for a jury to determine the validity of electronic evidence to the point that framing someone for a heinous crime with said evidence will be entirely possible.
I've got from being pro-death penalty to (generally) ambivalent.
Reason why? The death penalty is the one punishment where we can't provide any sort of restitution for if the ruling is incorrect. If someone is wrongly imprisoned they can get monetary restitution after let out. There's no coming back from the death penalty.
That said, I also see cases where it's an easy call to make to just execute the fuckers. Boston Bombers, DC Snipers, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson as some examples.
The death penalty is the one punishment where we can’t provide any sort of restitution for if the ruling is incorrect.
Uh… People get extrajudicially murdered in jail or prison at a rate far higher than we execute them, just remunerate the wrongfully executed the way we remunerate the people extrajudicially killed by other murderers. Oh, wait. We don’t remunerate them and really it just means that execution isn’t really that exceptional in terms of “things we cannot remunerate or undo.”
OK, so it’s only two things.
I know! Just remunerate them the way we remunerate people who are cripplingly assaulted or diseased while in prison, again at a rate far higher than we execute them. Oh, wait. We don’t generally remunerate them either and, really, the whole thing about “You can’t remunerate the dead for what they’ve lost.” is really just a bit of a superstition, especially from a libertarian sense, because, really, the State can never remunerate anyone for anything it has taken beyond money.
I mean, either “The process is the punishment”, “It’s only money”, “Death is the one punishment that can’t be remunerated.”, pick two.
My one grave concern with the death penalty is the ever-increasing number of wrongful convictions, prosecutorial misconduct, and sloppy police work.
I do kind feel like death penalty should be limited in cases where "beyond a reasonable doubt" is barely the standard.
In cases where there is "no fucking doubt whatsoever", yeah, I've got no qualms.
Yeah but they used to say that about dna - I think they still do? Prob should be like that judge who said about defining what constitutes porn “I know it when I see it.” Same with pieces of shit, you always know em when you see em. This guy was a prime example.
First off, it sounds like they went about this in a way that isn't particularly effective. Strapping him to a gurney in large oxygen rich room with a poorly fitted mask means he could fight to get more oxygen. I see that it took 15 minutes to pronounce him dead, but not how long before he was unconscious. If they cranked up the concentration quickly enough then he would have been out in 2-5 minutes without really noticing anything.
It doesn't move me that the only person cited as being upset with how he died is one who was already biased. Death isn't pretty, but if they did this right and he didn't fight it then he should have gone right to sleep.
The guy chose this method. He dishonestly tried fighting his choice in the courts and it sounds like he physically fought against it being applied. I'd like to hear other people's perspectives of how it went and what might have gone poorly since we are only getting a single biased narrative.
In the end, the guy deserved to die, was sentenced to death, and died relatively quickly and painlessly. Good enough for me.
Well stated. Executions do not have to be painless. The USSC weighed in on this several times. Most of us will die an unpleasant or painful death, so a condemned inmate is not entitled to something denied to almost every person. Painful is not equal to torturous. This guy, via his appellate counsel, used the system to forestall the inevitable. Then, almost comically, he declares, "Tonight, Alabama caused humanity to take a step backward,” That night, justice was accomplished by carrying out the sentence he deserved, decided by a jury, with concurrence by the judge and all appellate courts thereafter.
Oh, that's not what the jury decided. They went 11-1 for life without parole.
Strapping him to a gurney in large oxygen rich room with a poorly fitted mask means he could fight to get more oxygen.
*Sigh*
First, it’s not oxygen rich. It’s just air.
Second, fire fighters, HAZMAT workers, EMTs, and first responders… astronauts, BSL laboratory workers… divers… all have been using air tight masks and helmets, bespoke and off-the-shelf, for over 70 yrs. Do you have evidence the mask was ill fitted or is that just a guess?
Third, just because the mask is ill-fitted doesn’t mean he’s capable of fighting for oxygen. It’s called positive (and/or relative) pressure, as long as the flow rate is higher than his breathing rate, he will inhale the N2 rather than pulling air around the mask. It’s the same positive pressure that would cause him to suffocate in a room sizes chamber but…
Fourth, unlike the mask, the room would take well more than 15 min. and several fold more nitrogen to purge the O2.
“In God We Trust, all others must bring data.” – He almost certainly didn’t struggle against N2 gas for 15 min. He may’ve struggled to hold his breath and convulse for 5 min., LOC by 10 and another 5 for his heart and brain waves to stop, but he was almost certainly out within 10 min. and the instrumentation would show it conclusively in a manner no eyeball could detect.
Honestly why not just fentanyl? It puts the person to sleep and they die in that sleep. I know someone who accidentally did that to himself. But all in all it would seem fentanyl would be a pretty “humane” way to kill somebody.
I have to admit “experimenting with ways to execute people” sounds a lot like Nazi Germany back in the day.
Every “modern” execution method had been an experiment-electric chair, gas chamber, lethal injection, now this.
They tried that.
I hardly matters what agent they were going to use, they were unable to start an IV to give him the poison to kill him
Every medical and nursing group for bids their members to take an active part in executions
So the people start in the IVs are paramedical or untrained persons.
Some people are very difficult to start an IV and these untrained personsare not always able to do it.
As has been discussed in these pages many times before, occupational medicine has years of experience and literally hundreds maybe thousands of occasions where people entered nitrogen rich, oxygen poor environments, and died.
Rescuers sent into these hypoxic environments who also collapse, and then are removed and revived uniformly report feeling nothing until they just pass out.
So nitrogen, hypoxia is probably the most humane way to execute someone
After reading a few more cases, they might have felt dizzy or a little nauseous before passing out. Maybe not nothing, but definitely nothing big. Also, by holding still rather than moving, he might have lasted longer than industrial workers (the worst thing is to be pulling someone or climbing a ladder, because you instinctively breathe harder, which is why so many would-be-rescuers get themselves killed).
Fentanyl comes in patches that go directly on the skin like the nicotine ones. No IV necessary.
Hell, slap a single heavy one on him to relax him, then strap the well-fitted mask on him, and crank up the N2. He won't be fighting it, and he'll die of the nitrogen hypoxia quickly.
That would take hours man
I agree with the fentanyl suggestion. Hard to say something leads to a horrific death when people give up any semblance of a decent life to obtain it, and the only reason they don't overdose every time they take it is that they want to wake up and find another dose.
I disagree, I tried it on my hamster and it just slowly depresses breathing. Who knows how long he was breathing for - could be hours for the overdose to stop the heart. Most OD’s can be revived if you catch them within the first couple hours.
There are better, quicker, and more humane ways to execute murderers. But if this is the most horrible thing the witness ever saw, they most likely did not see the crimes the killer committed then.
If you’re going to have the death penalty, stick with tried and true methods-bullet or guillotine.
Such barbarism could only take place in the Bible Belt. No atheist could abide such evil.
Wow. What a profoundly stupid thing to say.
Although...t'was deeply-committed believers sawing people's heads off with rusty saw blades and kitchen knives, friendo. And recording it. Are you taking that as confirmation of your hypothesis?
You should probably notice that, if ever a serial killer is associated with a church, it gets reported, leaving a logical person to conclude that if no such connection is mentioned, they must have been "unchurched" or atheistic. And it's a lot of 'em.
If you just meant "governmental executions", should have said that.
Lol. As a conservative atheist who strongly favors the death penalty, I can assure you, you have no idea what you're talking about.
The implicit but oblivious racism woven into your atheism is a nice touch.
"Evil" isn't exactly an atheist-friendly term.
Tell that to China then.
They get points for efficiency, but it would have probably been better to use a chamber and gradually fill it with Nitrogen (kind of like they did with "gas" chambers), so that the executed would not acutely sense the start of nitrogen flow. Better yet, either in a chamber or mask start with Nitrous Oxide (Laughing Gas) to put him out, then switch to Nitrogen to finish him off.
I'm guessing the murderer's "spiritual advisor" is not the most unbiased person in the world.
The only libertarian angle on this is the increased probability of executing an innocent person, because libertarians know government tends to mess up. You often hear “as a libertarian, I don’t want the state killing people”, which is true enough if you’re talking about people in general rather than convicted murderers. But I wouldn’t want the government confining people-in-general up in cells or taking away their property, either. Any punishment is, by its very nature, something that someone wouldn’t want done to them. So unless you don’t want crimes punished at all, the “it’s not something the state should have the power to do” argument falls apart.
This still applies if you’re an anarchocapitalist and want criminals dealt with via private firms. I don’t want companies or individuals going around killing, locking up, or confiscating the property of people-in-general either.
That's the most horrible thing you've ever seen? Did you grow up inside a My Little Pony cartoon?
Have you seen My Little Pony? There are Witcher-level monsters behind every other tree and major villains casually ripping holes in the fabric of reality every other season. Seeing someone struggle to not breathe for five minutes is downright ordinary compared to getting turned into stone
Even if you support the death penalty, you have to admit they fucked this one up pretty badly. 25 minutes to die?
He was pronounced dead 15 minutes after the nitrogen started, though. So there's ten minutes in there in which he was presumably making his final statements.
He lost consciousness within a minute after he stopped holding his breath, painlessly. That's all that matters.
"...The execution was "the most horrible thing I've ever seen," the Rev. Jeff Hood, Smith's spiritual adviser, told CNN. "An unbelievable evil was unleashed tonight."..."
Emma, how long did it take to find an unbiased observer?
> "It is undisputed that depriving a human of sufficient oxygen (below normal levels but above fatal levels) can cause dire consequences short of death."
OK? They're not doing that though.
>Witnesses reported that Smith was strapped to a gurney with a gas mask affixed to his face. Smith remained conscious for several minutes after nitrogen began flowing into the mask, and he appeared to be holding his breath for as long as possible. He "struggled against his restraints" and "shook and writhed on a gurney." Witnesses additionally reported that Smith eventually began breathing deeply, before his breathing slowed and finally stopped. He was pronounced dead at 8:25—about 15 minutes after prison officials began the flow of nitrogen.
In other words, he was in discomfort while holding his breath. And once that stopped he quickly lost consciousness and went flaccid - in other words, died painlessly.
Which is the normal case for people who have died of hypoxia because of immersion in inert gases in industrial accidents - they tend to be unconscious in a few seconds, before they can realize anything's wrong.
I hae issues with the procedure - pre-breathing with pure oxygen prior to remove CO2 (which is what triggers the 'I'm suffocating' reflex) and then switching to N2 at some point is, IMO, a better way to go about it - but its not any more inhumane than lethal injection or poison gas.
>The execution was “the most horrible thing I’ve ever seen,” the Rev. Jeff Hood, Smith’s spiritual adviser, told CNN. “An unbelievable evil was unleashed tonight.”
Hmm, I wonder if an activist against lethal injection and a supporter of the deceased would ever engage in hyperbole in order to drum up outrage?
Did the good rev see them murder that woman? A greater evil than that was unleashed?
>with a United Nations spokesperson going so far as to declare that the execution method "may amount to torture."
The organization that has member's that routinely torture people - where torture is a matter of state policy and routinely execute people - is speaking out about how immoral the US is?
And we're supposed to take this seriously?
Listen, I'll be real here - the US has lost whatever 'moral authority' it had post-WW2. Its gone. We're shit.
But all that means is we've descended merely to the level that every other state in the world has been wallowing at forever. We're just no longer better than anyone else - but we're not worse either.
"moral authority" is b.s.
You threaten or hurt Americans or American interests and we go after you. End of story.
Your views on morality are irrelevant.
Why is it so easy to forget about the victim of this man’s crime ? If you want to feel sorry for someone let it been the women’s family not this POS . If it’s beyond a doubt he committed this crime execute him by firing squad.
Here's a proposal: However a murderer kills their victim(s) is the way the convicted murderer will be executed.
Do you think that's what this article is about?
Smith was an original SNOWFLAKE. He got what he deserved, then whined and cried about it, with a help from a lot of knee jerk, bleeding hearts, like his wife and that weirdo minister. The execution could have been done better, but when you violate the rights of others, you can't expect a parade and medal in your honor.
I am pretty sure he's not with Jesus.
When I went through Navy Aircrew school we were subjected to Hypoxia. We were each given a simple task to do. Mine was to write the numbers 1 through 5 in a column on a sheet of paper. The Oxygen was then reduced in the room (added Nitrogen). We never noticed. After a few minutes the Oxygen was then brought back to normal. When I looked at my paper I saw a scrawl that didn't look anything like numbers. I never noticed the difference. We watched video of our time under Hypoxia. We were euphoric, laughing, goofing off. Let's face it. This is just anti-death penalty BS. No matter how it was done, these people would be against it. If you show me that the death penalty is being misapplied, I'm on your side in a heartbeat, other wise I have no problem with it.
Euthanizing with Nitrogen isn't even remotely "experimental"
It has been done in Veterinary offices for years. It isn't the most prominent way we euthanize pets by any means, but it is well studied and has been used. It is well known to be one of the most painless and humane ways to euthanize an animal.
It wasn't the nitrogen that made him suffer, it was the thought of execution itself and trying to hold his breath to avoid breathing the nitrogen. Which while instinctual, is dumb. Nitrogen isn't toxic in any way, we inhale large quantities with every breath. What kills you is the lack of oxygen, and well, holding your breath isn't exactly solving anything in that regard.
What causes pain in hypoxia situations is the build up of carbon dioxide in the bloodstream. Nitrogen does not contribute to that, but holding your breathe sure does. Maybe next time they give the person a sedative or marijuana edibles so he wont try holding his breathe.
Between Nitrogen and Lethal injection, it's crazy how much the media spins the most humane methods for ending animals' suffering as literal torture when it's applied to humans.
But, but, but..... nitrogen, oh my (pearl clutching) is a (gasp) chemical!
"The evidence establishes that executing Mr. Smith by nitrogen hypoxia using the Protocol would subject him to a substantial risk of serious harm . . ."
Serious harm? Bruh, they are literally killing him.
Just a thought: why is cruelty never an issue for proponents of assisted suicide?
It is. It's just that this is a dishonest argument and they know it. We could trivially execute people without pain, and indeed, many veterinarians choose to end their own lives with these very methods. The problem is that they want to end the death penalty and know that their moral or practical arguments are not going to be successful, so they lie through their teeth to pretend that our safety and most humane methods of death are torture and then directly undermine the state's ability to carry out the tasks that were assigned to them by the will of the people.
Loose the condemned into the homes of the professional elites who want to keep them alive. Ah...but they will be living in gated communities.
These words were heard by scum bags on death row, "next". Thanks, AL for a great job. Again, "next".
Prior to this being carried out, many had claimed, I think based on animal tests, that the person would simply fall asleep peacefully and not wake up. There would be nothing "agonal" about it. So were they simply wrong? Carbon monoxide may be a better way to go than nitrogen, but I think it is avoided because of some unpleasant associations regarding who used it in the past. At any rate, why the gurney and mask procedure? Why not a small, sealed room in which the criminal is simply placed while the oxygen within is replaced by the other gas?
Because that would take 10's to hundreds of liters of nitrogen - and you still need a sealed room.
No, they weren't wrong, the dude fought the procedure for, like, a minute or two - that's it.
No, they weren't wrong. He simply chose to hold his breath and chose to play act. He could do the same with a larger room. The only way to avoid it would be to not let him know when the air is being switched to nitrogen.
You can see videos of animals being put to sleep. It looks very peaceful and calm. What law keeps this from being used on humans?
No matter which method is used, why can't general anesthesia be administered first?
Chickens, turkeys, and pigs. Not recommended for other animals, at least not without sedation first: https://www.avma.org/sites/default/files/2020-02/Guidelines-on-Euthanasia-2020.pdf
Because that requires the assistance of medical professionals...the licensing boards for which prohibit participation or assisting executions. Now if these prisoners were seeking assisted suicide, the filking liberal professions would all line up to assist.
Responsibility for agonizing the condemned falls on the pearl-clutching pharma companies that stopped selling common drugs used to euthanize animals to state prisons to avoid the attainder of capital punishment, while freely providing them for veterinary use, and in some cases assisted suicide.
Why should mad dog prisoners be denied the same painless barbiturate brew an ethical vet would use to put down poor old Fido?
Send the prisoners up to Canada and register them with the MAID protocols.
"Responsibility for agonizing the condemned falls on the pearl-clutching pharma companies that stopped selling common drugs used to euthanize animals to state prisons to avoid the attainder of capital punishment, while freely providing them for veterinary use, and in some cases assisted suicide..."
Who was that other man on the grassy knoll?
We shouldn't be executing criminals in the first place. It's not a proper function of State to intentionally kill its citizenry.
Stick them in a cell with a grated window that lets in fresh air. Big enough, but no bigger, than to accommodate a cot, a toilet, a shower on a timer, and a door with a slot. Three times a day, we shove an MRE through the slot. Once a day, clean clothes and toiletries. Once a week, clean linens and a paperback book.
And the only time you come out of that room is to be frogmarched in chains down to a room at the end of the block devoid of anything but concrete walls and a camera/screen behind plexiglass where you can zoom with a lawyer or family member.
And that's it. That's prison. REAL prison.
Is it the proper function of the State to intentionally confine its citizenry? Or to deprive them of their property? As I pointed out above, any kind of punishment is by its nature something that we wouldn't want the State -- or anyone else -- doing to anybody under normal circumstances. But the circumstance here is that the person it's being done to is a convicted criminal. Either the State may punish him -- do things we don't ordinarily want it doing to someone -- or it can't.
Is it a proper function of government to take my money at gunpoint in order to house, feed, and supervise such reprehensible people?
Why use a mask? Why not use the previous type of gas chambers? Because the courts have ruled that the spiritual advisors must be in the room with the condemned.
Bullshit. Where were the spiritual advisors for this man's victim?
Every method is "experimental" the first time it's used. The gas chamber, electric chair, firing squad, etc. are no longer experimental. How about letting these killers choose which one they want?
This execution method is quick and painless. He made it hard on himself by holding his breath for a couple of minutes and play acting. That was his choice. It's not a problem with the method.
Release this horrific video to the public, hopefully it will act as a deterrent to the thugs presently running wild in the streets in most of our major cities.
"Hi, I am Sloe Joe Biden, and I think this is a wonderful idea because it involves sniffing."