Alabama Set To Use Experimental Execution Method
In killing Kenneth Eugene Smith by nitrogen hypoxia, the state would be using him as a "test subject," Smith's lawyers argue.

Alabama is one step closer to carrying out the first execution by nitrogen hypoxia, an untested execution method that has attracted controversy since it was approved in the state in 2018.
On Wednesday, a federal judge ruled that the execution of 58-year-old Kenneth Eugene Smith could go forward later this month, dismissing arguments that the execution would make him a "test subject" in an unproven execution method. The move appears to be a last-ditch effort to halt Smith's death, as Smith's lawyers had previously fought to allow him to be executed by nitrogen hypoxia instead of lethal injection.
"There is simply not enough evidence to find with any degree of certainty or likelihood that execution by nitrogen hypoxia under the Protocol is substantially likely to cause Smith superadded pain short of death or a prolonged death," wrote Judge R. Austin Huffaker Jr. "It could, in a highly theoretical sense, but only if a cascade of unlikely events occurs. Or it may well be painless and quick. Execution by nitrogen hypoxia is novel."
Smith was sentenced to death for the 1988 murder-for-hire of Elizabeth Sennett. Smith and another man were convicted of taking $1,000 each from Sennett's husband to murder her. Smith's accomplice was executed in 2010.
In November 2022, Alabama tried to execute Smith by lethal injection but abandoned the attempt after prison officials were unable to successfully place an IV line by the midnight deadline. In response to Smith's failed execution and two other similarly failed and botched execution attempts, Republican Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey announced a temporary moratorium on executions in the state. However, the moratorium was lifted in February 2023 after an opaque internal investigation.
In the meantime, Smith and his lawyers argued that he should be able to choose execution by nitrogen hypoxia instead. While the method was approved by the Alabama Legislature in 2018, it has yet to be used to actually execute someone. In theory, the inmate would be placed in a gas chamber with a respirator-type mask on. The percentage of oxygen in the air flowing through the mask would be slowly replaced with more and more nitrogen, until the mask only produced nitrogen, suffocating the inmate.
After a significant legal fight, Smith won the right to be executed by nitrogen hypoxia in August 2023. However, with his execution date set, his lawyers reversed course in a last-minute attempt to save his life, arguing that the state's execution protocol is flawed and likely to lead to an extended, painful death.
"The evidence establishes that executing Mr. Smith by nitrogen hypoxia using the Protocol would subject him to a substantial risk of serious harm," Smith's lawyers wrote in December. "Specifically, ADOC's plan to deliver nitrogen gas to Mr. Smith through a mask that is placed over his face subjects him to a substantial risk that (1) oxygen will infiltrate the mask, which could leave Mr. Smith in a persistent vegetative stroke, cause him to have a stroke, or to experience the sensation of suffocation, and (2) he will asphyxiate on his own vomit."
However, this latest attempt seems unlikely to save Smith's life. Since ending its execution moratorium, Alabama has expressed particular zeal for executing death-row inmates—having killed two inmates in the past six months.
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While listening to Dave Matthews.
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Heh, I’ll grant you that one. That is cruel and unusual punishment.
Damn. Cruel AND unusual in one shot there. BARBARISM!!!
I went to a Florence + The Machine concert because I knew I'd get laid. I've had potential dates hint that the same would happen if I went to a Dave Matthews show. I passed. Have to draw the line somewhere.
Why don't we just not vax him and wait for COVID to do the job for us?
But that's a cOnsPiRacY thEorY.
put him in a Bills uniform & send him out on defense
Hand him evidence from the Epstein case.
There is nothing experimental about this method of death.
There is plenty of experience in industrial accidents in hypoxic environments .
People who are rescued from these environments always report they felt nothing in the 30 seconds to 3 minutes it took them to pass out from lack of oxygen.
It’s funny that they would choose to apply a mask to the inmates face .
With the potential for leaks around the mask seal.
Why would they not build a chamber with a gasket on the door and a window that cannot open and fill that small environment with 100% nitrogen gas?
That seems fool proof, as even a small leak at the door seal can be overcome by increasing the flow rate of nitrogen above the leak rate.
It’s also easy to have gauges that read the percent nitrogen or oxygen in the chamber.
I guess we can choke up that decision to the fact that government cannot do anything, right .
This. Exactly this. 100% nitrogen will kill any human in six minutes with zero suffering. Air hunger is caused by buildup of CO2 in the blood which is impossible under a continuous N2 stream.
Relying upon a CPAP mask is the only possible way this can fail. What's needed is a gas chamber just as they used in the past for hydrogen cyanide executions, along with triple-redundant O2 sensors in the viewing chamber to ensure that the crowd doesn't die along with him.
The people wringing their hands about this are either scientifically illiterate, disingenuous, or both.
And you'll be past the point of recovering on your own in a lot less than 6 minutes, that's the outside range if they hook you up to an oxygen mask and do CPR. You'll be lying there inert in much less than that.
Jesus fuck are you people retarded?
Have you never worked with liquid nitrogen or argon or even ammonia, LP, or dry ice? Have you never gone scuba diving? Never seen someone whiff smelling salts, take a whippit, breath CO2 out of a soda bottle, or huff paint thinner or break fluid?
Q: Why triple-redundant O2 sensors?
A: Because to fill the room you would need to use an amount of nitrogen that could kill the gallery.
Q: OK, that explains 1 O2 sensor but not 3. Why 3?
A: Because 1 might fail and the method wouldn’t be foolproof.
Q: So wouldn’t not using a room full of nitrogen be *actually* foolproof because then any number of sensors can fail and no one except maybe the perp dies?
A: Yes.
Q: Also, isn't filling a room full of N2 and purging it of 02 going to take a really long time?
A: Yes.
Q: So does the perp asphyxiate slowly as the room fills with N2 or do you fill it with N2 and someone shoves them in?
A: The latter method. The former, as indicated by the previous question, wouldn't be anywhere near instantaenous.
Q: The guy who dons his own air supply and agrees to shove a violent felon into a N2-filled room would have to be an idiot wouldn't he?
A: Yes.
Nitrogen hypoxia doesn’t work the way cyanide does. You don’t have to fill the room with cyanide to kill the person. One breath will do, that’s how cyanide capsules work that’s how cyanide execution works, the gallery is safe because there isn’t enough cyanide to contaminate the whole room, just the perp. WHICH IS THE WHOLE IDEA WITH A PRESSURIZED MASK OF NITROGEN The only reason you would fill the whole room is if you were trying to work without oxygen in any part of the room (like an industrial setting) or IF YOU ARE BUILDING A GAS CHAMBER TO KILL MULTIPLE PEOPLE SIMULTANEOUSLY.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
I'm a CPAP user who knows that masks are the weak point of any gas-delivery device. What I advocate is building an airtight chamber with a supply of nitrogen piped in when the order is given. Pressurized nitrogen would be pumped to an antechamber where the gas would warm so as not to freeze the condemned when the valve opened. All the O2 sensors are just for safety since nobody save for maybe a trained fighter pilot has any resistance to low oxygen levels.
All this business with masks is the el cheapo way of doing it, plus it gives DP opponents the opening they need to attack it on humane grounds. "They forcibly put this on his face and suffocated him." A gas chamber is better.
Pressurized nitrogen could be pumped to an antechamber where the gas would warm so as not to freeze the condemned.
I’m a CPAP user who knows that masks are the weak point of any gas-delivery device. What I advocate is building an airtight chamber with a supply of nitrogen piped in when the order is given.
Go fuck yourself. If you can't use a CPAP reliably you've got no fucking business talking about building an airtight chamber to execute people. If masks were so terrible and leaky, fire departments wouldn't use them, scuba divers wouldn't use them, BSL labs wouldn't use airtight bunny suits. This is chemical engineering, biochemistry, and health and human safety 101 and you fucking retards insist on declaring your failure as loudly, broadly, and as publicly as possible.
DP opponents are going to complain even if the guy gets painlessly wished into a corn field. They don't care about the method, they care about being seen opposing the result. Whether you build a chamber or use a mask the chamber or mask will be insufficiently humane because, again, they don't care about the means. You people being retards only contributes to their efforts.
You're right about the proven efficacy of the kill method, wrong, by your own tenets, about the setup.
Per your own idiocy, people walk into nitrogen chambers all the time and suffer near-death. No one, ever, has suffered anything resembling near death because the person next to them was breathing their own internal atmosphere and that's the point.
Just like with leaks in the room, leaks in the mask can be overcome with a greater flow of nitrogen... a greater flow of nitrogen that, because of the mask, would pose 0 risk to anyone else.
Wouldn't increasing the flow rate of nitrogen force more gas through the leak?
Recall that when France [pre Rev monarchy, I believe] sent up the first ever hot air balloons, they used convicts as test subjects in those.
As long as a guard/ executioner is standing by with a bullet to the head it should be all right.
My state of Minnesota hasn't executed anyone since 1911, it's something I'm very proud of. I have a hard time understanding how the the commenters here can be in favor of reducing the size and scope of government, but still in favor of executions. Killing someone isn't a power the state should have.
What an ironic handle for someone who us proud to be against the death penalty.
Clump of cells [that never did anything wrong, but be carelessly conceived] vs this:
https://www.al.com/news/2022/11/former-sheriff-recalls-womans-horrific-murder-for-hire-by-pastor-as-alabama-prepares-execution.html
I always find context to be helpful, where my sympathies are concerned. And this guy ain't no pro, from the way he "executed" his victim.
[that never did anything wrong, but be carelessly conceived]
And even this is between nonsensical and non-sequitur.
I’m not going to point to a specific story to defend my position. I’m going to point to the Google search for “death row woman cut baby out of womb” and let the fact that it doesn’t represent one woman or even one woman in the last couple of years speak for itself.
Fetuses aren't people, not yet.
On what basis do you get to decide that a living human individual is not a person?
It is a foolish declaration to favor executions of the innocent that is entirely unconvincing.
Sure they've got firing synapses, a beating heart and all the other organs, but their not human until the Birth Canal Fairy waves her magic wand and turns them into a legally defined "Person".
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!!
Beating heart, firing neurons...
Congratulations, you have just described a goldfish.
A fetus is a person, or not, because it has a human consciousness, or not. A soul, if you are religiously inclined.
Pretending that you have an easy answer to that question by listing characteristics that a fetus shares with every single vertebrate just makes you seem like you need to hit the biology textbook a little harder.
Does this consciousness magically form after the birth canal fairy? When does it form specifically?
Does that mean I can go around murdering everyone in a coma no questions asked?
If Ashli Babbitt crossed back through a birth canal to peacefully protest, you could legally shoot her and the unborn child likely resulting in you getting two medals.
You or I (or JesseAz or Mother's Lament) don't get any medals for shooting anyone.
Someone somewhere might get a medal or medals for it, but you or I likely get a trial, at best.
I think your sarc-o-meter might be low on batteries.
A human fetus is a person, because it is a human fetus.
Humans are people.
Many animals have a fetal stage. Animals that are NOT human have fetal stages that do not result in people.
The existence of consciousness, much less the soul, are beyond humans ability to prove at this point.
Corporations are people though.
I suppose you haven't read the relevant SCOUS decisions on this issue.
Well you have to remember that this is someone who thinks the doctor just randomly assigns sex at birth, so not exactly a heavy thinker.
I think it should be reserved for mass murderers, terrorists, the john wanye gacys and jeffery damhers of the world. You only have to hang mean bastards, but mean bastards you have to hang.
If you ignore small criminals you more big ones.
Libertarians are fairly divided on the death penalty. Most agree that some people do deserve to die, though.
The opposing paradox is not that hard to conceptualize. If killing people is some sort of unchecked limit on government, then even more objectively and definitively so is operating prisons in perpetuity.
People who fail to make the connection are generally A) actual idiots, whether good faith or useful, B) honest, "there is no one way" agree-to-disagree libertarians, or C) dishonest, bad faith pro-Statist assholes and sociopaths who don't give a shit about the limits of state power or people dying and just want the State to kill other people rather than the ones it is currently.
There is a disconnect between the functions of government and the powers that the PEOPLE have delegated to them through the Constitution of the United States.
I learned long ago that the document that is the Constitution of the United States is the owners/operator's manual. This gives someone the HOW this Government "Of the People, By the People and For the People" is designed to operate.
The Declaration of Independance is the WHY.
Our/this Government is designed to be controlled by the rule of law. Not the decree of some departmental flunky. Do I need to point out that this country is NOT a 'democracy'? Read all the way to the end of the Constitution. Spoiler alert! Article 4 Section 4 "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence."
So you're telling me no Minnesota cops have shot anyone since 1911? Seems improbable.
The argument against state executions has been around since at least 1760 so it's weird you make a worse case than Blackstone did well over 200 years after his death.
I guess they just knee them to death.
The argument that the state shouldn't execute anyone because they regularly fuck things up and so WILL end up killing an innocent party vs the state shouldn't execute this person because a fast and painless method of death makes him a test subject are two very different things.
They tried executing Derek chovin
I have a hard time understanding how the the commenters here can be in favor of reducing the size and scope of government, but still in favor of executions. Killing someone isn’t a power the state should have.
I agree! Executions should be a private matter, carried out by relatives and other interested parties, after declaring the guilty party to be an outlaw.
How else do you balance the scales of justice?
To the shill/troll who replied to me ["flush that fetus"] note that you were muted a long time ago and I can only see a gray box. Now go and find yourself something useful to do.
How exactly is an execution method “proven” to the satisfaction of zealot anti-death penalty advocates?
This is a dishonest argument from the start. They care nothing about potential suffering of the prisoner facing execution. They have deliberately made lethal injection a difficult and sometimes torturous process for the express purpose of ending the death penalty. Nitrogen hypoxia has the potential to wipe out their decades effort to set up and undermine thar method of execution.
The only non-absurd reason for this objection is the use of the mask, which possibly will not fit tightly enough to cause quick hypoxia.
You can be against the death penalty, but this argument is pure sophistry
FTA:
In this case, the problem was that the state was incompetent in how to insert an IV tube, not that the lethal injection drugs weren't available.
If he was a heavy drug user, finding a usable vein is not usually an easy task. Hospitals have had to inject between toes for very heavy IV drug users. My mother has taught nursing for decades and her students will regale you with stories on trying to find a usable vein in a hardcore heroin injector.
I do not trust the state to execute the guilty properly...but I am not going to condemn them for things that might well be far outside of their control.
A .45 to the head is pretty hard to screw up.
Totally agree. Actually, I’m not really all that concerned if a criminal convicted of murdering others in heinous ways feels some pain on his way out.
They have deliberately made lethal injection a difficult and sometimes torturous process for the express purpose of ending the death penalty.
It SHOULD be a difficult process, no?
I mean the anti-death penalty zealots have deliberately set it up to make lethal injection more painful than it should be so they can use "cruel and unusual" as an objection.
no, it should be efficient
I wonder why they don't use the same method used to euthanize dogs or cats.
Yup. They (generally*) don’t actually care about any prisoners death row or not. They care about the perception of caring about prisoners. If they actually cared about prison conditions, limited government, crime, and punishment, they’d recognize that there are people who are beyond redemption/rehabilitation. They’d recognize that spending exorbitant sums to force people live in their own filth to the point that people routinely die is not inherently more moral or more practical than just killing some of the most irredeemable people and handling the rest differently.
But, again, they don’t care about these things, they care about being perceived as though they care.
* Substitute “They” with “They generally” as necessary
Have to agree. I oppose the death penalty for all of the well worn libertarian reasons. But the method by which the penalty is carried out isn't the relevant issue.
Yet another reason to oppose the death penalty: it coarsens our public morality by slowly eroding away the public's objections to execution methods that are less and less tolerable.
Really? How is nitrogen hypoxia "less tolerable"? The evidence from cases like industrial accidents suggests that death is near immediate and the victims did not even seem to realize what was happening to them.
It also seems to be quite the opposite progression as the execution methods in the Founding Era that were allowed under the Constitution were relatively brutal.
I've passed out in such a situation. Helper saved my life. Happens quick and you don't even see it coming
The guillotine was invented as a more humane execution method. Much faster than hanging, more certain than manual beheadings, more precise than firing squads.
The gruesome nature of it offends modern sensibilities, but there’s also no evidence it caused excessive suffering.
And it probably had an outsized deterrent effect on potential offenders.
I use a guillotine cutter on my cigars. Quick and painless.
The electric chair was purportedly a technical advancement that would create a kinder gentler execution. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
Why da fuck does an individualist care about "public morality"?
"it coarsens our public morality by slowly eroding away the public’s objections to execution methods that are less and less tolerable."
This doesn't happen too often, but I will say that creamjeff isn't wrong here. I doubt he actually believes it, but he's not wrong.
I can’t/didn’t/won’t read what Jeff said, but, disagree. This is bullshit propaganda and is pretty much predicated on the same anti-Libertarian premise that “Executions deter crime” and corroborates the same bullshit propaganda that if we repealed the 14th, the closet racists lurking behind every corner between LA and the Donbas would swoop back in and re-establish the Transatlantic Slave Trade.
How many executions were performed by the federal government from 2019-2021? How many people were publicly executed? What exactly makes you think one number has anything to do with the other? Show your work.
Thinking about it further, there’s lots of evidence to the contrary.
That is, people don’t see executions and go out and shoot their neighbors because the state did it. Courts and PDs actually brought a progressive end to the practice of lynch mobs hanging people in the streets.
To wit, what actually happens is progressivism doesn’t stop there and State stops executing people, and since we don’t execute heinous murderers, it becomes OK to release drug dealers and violent felons because they behave well or because systemic racism… and since we release violent felons after a somewhat whimsical period of time, why even bother with shoplifters and mostly peaceful protesters? Who cares if teachers want to sexualize children? Who cares if cops shoot Ashli Babbitt?
And I’m not just throwing this out flippantly. There’s plenty of data out there at multiple levels that indicates that if you mandate a lower sentence for a crime, judges and juries will hand out sentences more generously. The death penalty doesn't deter crime, it sets a unified more for a society by which they judge the value of life and/or (il)legal actions. I certainly agree that there are people and societies that may not need this, but there most certainly have been and are societies that do.
I just dislike dishonest framing. People can be opposed to the death penalty and that's a fine principled stance. I'm somewhat agnostic as to the issue. I just dislike people who pretend there's a significant issue with any particular method of execution when their objection is to the practice itself.
In short, these objections are almost entirely about the death penalty, not nitrogen hypoxia.
And that's why I hate Reason's articles about the death penalty. I'm fine with a principled opposition to it, but these are so dishonest. I also think they need to present a libertarian alternative because the tone comes across as pro-criminal to me
there are about 10 gajillion pro-death-penalty articles that way --- >
I don't think Reason needs to compromise its editorial position in order to write an article supporting the death penalty
The official Libertarian position is that the death penalty only applies to unarmed trespassers.
Any objection to MAID? Why is that form of execution more humane?
Yiou do remember there was a time when there were public executions in the U.S., right?
Does abortion not do the same? Only moreso since there is not a question of even possible guilt in the baby being killed?
It ain't that hard.
Render the convicted criminal unconscious by any medical protocol you choose.
Slit his throat.
He WILL die.
Interesting fact, my state of Minnesota hasn't executed anyone since 1911.
Why are all you southerners stuck in the middle ages?
We have not yet burned our copy of the US Constitution.
We still have a fifth amendment; including the phrase "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;'.
Which also specifically means that WITH due process you can be deprived of your life.
So laf. Southerners burned their copy of the US Constitution in 1861 and the entire South remained a shithole until the New Deal (I live in Georgia).
Wait til the Green New Deal kicks in. The south will rise again.
I live in the South. It's still a sh*hole.
Interesting fact: the vast majority of Americans wouldn't want to live in your state.
Just bring back firing squads.
Now that’s a lethal injection!
Considering all the incentives that police, jailors, prosecutors, judges and even juries have to convict people they know are innocent, I’m unable to support something as final as the death penalty.
Dying in jail is less final?
Life sentences are not guaranteed. You know this. Why ask such a stupid question?
You really believe in your heart of hearts that someone sentenced to life in prison gets anywhere near as many chances at an appeal as someone sentenced to death? Life is the ultimate sentence, because it condemns you to be forgotten by the system entirely.
You do not trust juries?
I’ve been told that some smart people end up on juries because they didn’t try to get out of it, but from what I’ve seen it’s not the cream of the crop. Not by a long shot. I can't think of a better alternative to it though, just like I can't think of a better government than representative democracy. People still suck so it's gonna suck. But the alternatives suck worse.
Just the ones that convict Republicans off novel legal theories.
/sarcasmic
I have an execution method they should try. Find a woman with a very expandable vag, someone that does porn scenes like triple fisting, etc. Shove the person's head into her vag and then use the late term abortion tools to such the brains out through the base of the skull. It won't even require due process, because it will become her choice.
So far I'm liking it.
Will the films be posted at OnlyFans?
We have huge experience with Nitrogen Hypoxia in heavy industry. You take one good breath of no O2 air and keel over. If you aren't rescued, you die. Those that are rescued are mostly confused about what happened, and their only injuries are from when they fell over. You aren't even able to feel it since the body cannot feel a lack of oxygen (the feeling of suffocation is from excess CO2, which normally is the same thing)
This is a fake concern by anti-death-penalty activists who just want to ban the practice but have no legal ability to do so.
Yeah, it's pretty much the most humane and painless way of executing someone that we've ever conceived. 'Cruel and unusual' is off the table with this method.
Still a valid argument over whether the state should wield that power, and if so, under what conditions, but that's not the one being made here.
A humane way of execution? We throw the murderer off the Golden Gate bridge. I heard the view is breathtaking.
Well, hitting the water is breath taking.
Also "most bones in your body" breaking as well.
Yes, but if something doesn't go right, Eugene Smith could die.
Takes more than "one good breath" to do you in. 20-60 depending on your level of activity and starting blood oxygenation. But everything else you wrote is spot on. It's as painless and error-free a method of execution as is possible to find. You don't even know you're short of oxygen during those 20-60 breaths because your 'suffocation reflex' is not actually based on oxygen levels - it's triggered by the buildup of CO2 in your blood, something that doesn't happen during nitrogen hypoxia.
One good breath won't kill you, but a couple deep breaths of N2 will drop your blood oxygen low enough that you lose consciousness, out like a light.
It drops a lot faster than when you're holding your breath, because your lungs are working backwards, removing O2 from your blood, and very efficiently.
But everything else you wrote is spot on.
Once again, slight disagreement (but by all means proceed with the execution despite my objections).
In a room (which is why I advocate the mask method way up above in the thread) already expunged of oxygen, 20-60 breaths (or less), yes. In a room in the process of being expunged? Almost certainly not and you’re going to experience the usual symptoms of hypoxia/blackout that people get by standing up too quickly, inhaling other mostly-inert gases, etc.
Now, I have seen one good breath of ammonia knock people out by throwing off their blood pH just as surely as if they’d been punched in the jaw and I’ve seen people get woozy from less than a couple dozen breaths of bleach from the same thing. I personally wouldn’t object to killing inmates this way either but I could understand how you would rightly consider someone having survived such treatment to be inhumanely treated as, unlike with nitrogen, if they didn’t die from the rise in blood pH you essentially chemically burn their lungs and they asphyxiate on their own mucus.
The one good breath is my safety training, and it's pretty well established. If you stick your head into a vessel without oxygen and breathe in normally, you pass out almost immediately. Maybe you have two or three breaths. But it's a very rapid fallout. This is why OVER half of people who die due to nitrogen in confined spaces are would-be rescuers. Because there is no grace period. You can't hold your breath while pulling someone out. If you don't have an SCBA, you will pass out almost immediately.
The one good breath is my safety training, and it’s pretty well established.
...
You can’t hold your breath while pulling someone out.
Jesus Fuck this is getting to be retarded. It's not pixie dust and you're getting the workplace safety spiel, not the physics/physiology lesson. The N2 and O2 at 1 atm can't force open your larynx or you wouldn't be able to hold your breath in normal air and certainly not underwater. So, yes, you can hold your breath. The big "feature" with N2 (or Helium or Radon or CO...) is that YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S SAFE TO START OR STOP HOLDING YOUR BREATH.
Will any one breath kill you? No. Otherwise they wouldn't be rescuers, they would just be a recovery team because there would be no chance of rescue. They don't tell you "one big breath" because it guarantees LOC. They tell you "one big breath" because... the big "feature" with N2 (or Helium or Radon or CO...) is that YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S SAFE and if you've taken a breath, you are already potentially beyond self-rescue and not safe.
Physics physiology:
Partial pressure of O2 in Air - 160 mm Hg
Human Mass - ~100 kg (your mileage may vary)
Human blood volume - 4L
Resting VO2 Max - 35-40 mL/(kg * min.) *** Note the units, especially the MINUTES ***
Peak Human VO2 Max - ~90 mL/(kg * min.)
Arterial ("full of O2") Partial Pressure of O2 - 100 mm Hg
Venous ("empty of O2") Partial Pressure of O2 - 30-40 mm Hg
So, can one breath render you unconscious? If you're an Olympic athlete who's heart is pumping as you plummet into a N2 chamber while taking a breath (again workplace safety standards), yes. Will one breath cause you to pass out? Almost certainly not. The safety pogues aren't saying "It's well established that one breath will cause LOC." they're saying "It's well established that 1 breath generates an unacceptable risk of LOC by workplace safety standards."
In addition to the above, there are other or non-physiological, but still physical, issues. That is, if you're in a room of 100% N2 and someone opens the door to a room of ambient air the same size and pulls you in, 2 people in a 90% N2 aren't safe either.
Yes.
Now there are industrial methods to replace the air in food containers/packages with nitrogen ending up with less than 1% O2 levels. This increases shelf life of lettuce, hamburger, coffee, etc. Ever buy a head of lettuce and it wilts almost immediately? It was near the end of its shelf life and the exposure to oxygen sent it quickly over the edge. I worked for a company that held parents in these processes and were the best in the industry.
This could easily be adapted to work with a helmet type system.
Also note that this process occurs in many factories with exposure to flowing nitrogen. One or two O2 sensors are installed to protect the workers. Very common in food production.
(The lettuce may have been packaged in CO2 but the process and equipment for displacing one gas for another are the same) Also, the basic patents for the process are expired. Modified Atmosphere Processing.
And we wouldn't want anything experimental happening on an unwilling participant.
It's bad if you've been convicted of murder; it's perfectly fine if you're an ordinary citizen living your life.
here's an experiment: stop killing in the name of the State.
We don't.
We kill in the name of the people.
The jury decides if a person's crimes merit death. Not the state.
State is the judicial system. I'd prefer outlawry.
As much as I like the idea of just throwing a target on the person's back and letting vigilante justice sort it out, I see the downside of how much damage the criminal is incentivized to do. Much simpler to say "murder someone and we'll kill you back." All the ridiculous appeals like the ones highlighted here just hose the taxpayer to the benefit of a person we've already decided has forfeited their right to exist in our society
No you wouldn't. The death penalty is bad, but it's much less worse than lynch mobs.
Indeed. Imagine if lynch mobs were allowed at, say, Duke when the lacrosse team was falsely accused of rape.
I don't care if you kill him. I don't want l'etat killing him.
the jury killed him.
they used the weapong provided bu the judicial system to do it.
It is the left who promotes this idea that 'the state' is doing it. To get those against state power to support their goals.
I don't trust juries... or judges, prosecutors or the cops. And the jury is selected by the state, informed by the state and renders a decision for the state.
Juries aren't perfect, but they're the least worst thing humanity has come up with so far.
aye
Juries are a lot better than no juries in many cases, but they are just as capable of delivering stupid and unjust verdicts as any judge. Especially when they believe all the instructions they are given.
Smart cops choose bench trials because they only have to convince one someone on their own team that they didn't do anything wrong.
here’s an experiment: stop killing in the name of the State.
Dr. Mad.Casual: Mr. Dillinger, you're letting your imagination runaway with you. I have never seen this bloodless society creature that you're talking about.
Mr. Dillinger: Forgive me Doctor but I am calling you a liar.
Dr. Mad.Casual: Mr. Dillinger!... Mr. Dillinger, don't make me mostly peacefully kill in the name of my family. You wouldn't like me when I mostly peacefully kill in the name of my family.
Why don't we use Kamala Harris's plan for drug importation, and just use the stuff Canada uses?
This method of execution is neither untested nor unproven. We have a very extensive history of industrial accidents showing precisely what happens during nitrogen hypoxia. If you have to die, it's substantially better than pretty much every option out there.
I object to the death penalty on the principle that I don't trust government to use the power fairly. But if you're going to have a death penalty, the standard for "humane" should be "no worse than what the criminal did to deserve it". Murder someone with a gun and anything up to 'being shot by a marksman in the same sequence of hits' is allowed. Murder someone by beating them to death with a baseball bat and the executioner is also allowed a baseball bat - or anything less painful. And nitrogen hypoxia is far, far less painful.
"I object to the death penalty on the principle that I don’t trust government to use the power fairly."
The reason why every libertarian should oppose the death penalty.
I only support it against government employees that were acting on behalf of the government or on behalf of their government authority and committed a crime that rose to the level of capital punishment. They are participating in and benefiting from the imperfect government that should otherwise not have this power.
oooh that's not bad. those guys are dicks.
*Raises hand*
OK, now, like the climate debate and women accepting money in exchange for sex now that you've gotten over *this* little internal moral conundrum whom are you going to get to actually do the killing?
Word.
That sounds yummy. What about a conversation about the difference between power and authority. For example police have the authority to detain you if they can articulate reasonable suspicion, otherwise they are using power instead of authority. Applies to all sorts of things.
edit: Please don’t t bring up Saint Babbitt or the other Saints of the Sixth. Seems like everything that starts with cops now ends with that. Don't do it. Please. Shit, now I just invited certain trolls to bring it up.
Never mind. Just forget I said anything. Won't be much of a change for you.
Cute cosplay of White Mike with some sarc mixed in. You two going concerting again this weekend?
You and your girlfriends' stories are like a long line of Chinese Whispers.
White Mike is actually Yellow Mike? Who knew.
Um, no. I mean you and the rest of the girls who can't resist talking about me when I'm not around.
Don't worry. The medal the Capitol officer got will weigh heavy in his chest, misalign his back, increase circulatory problems, and eventually lead to an early death.
Oh look, someone brought up Babbitt and the other Saints of the Sixth.
"The reason why every libertarian should oppose the death penalty."
Says THE Supreme Death-Loving Moose-Mammary-Necrophilia-Farter-Fuhrer from InnerMoist Islamic Canuckistanistanistanistan, dammit!!!
Mammary-Necrophilia-Farter-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death, will now SPEAK! HARKKK silently and RESPECTFULLY, all ye lowly heathens, as She Directs Death, and announces WHICH few of us MIGHT deserve to live, and WHO all deserves to DIE-DIE-DIE!!!
https://reason.com/2022/01/25/did-these-three-officers-willfully-deprive-george-floyd-of-his-constitutional-rights/?comments=true#comment-9323626
“You should really join ᛋᛋqrlsy, ᛋᛋhrike. You two goosestepping fascists offing yourselves would definitely be a mitzvah.”
-Quote MammaryBahnFuhrer the "Expert Christian Theologian", AKA Mother’s Lament, with a head full of cement
So Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death... WHEN are You going to STOP stealing the IDs of Your victims, and then posting kiddie porn in THEIR names, and then blaming THEM?
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!
But you're okay trusting the government with prisons?
Not really but it's the lesser evil. A false imprisonment can at least theoretically be made right. Once you've wrongly executed a person, you can no longer redeem the ill.
Nonsense. You can't give people back the time they spent in prison.
No, but you can provide monetary compensation for the time they spent in prison. If you killed them, all you can do is compensate their next of kin.
You mean like a COVID lockdown check?
Not really but it’s the lesser evil.
^This may be your intent, but it’s not reality. More people die from extrajudicial killings while in prison than are executed by the state by something between several fold and an order of magnitude. And this isn’t even the gray territory of suicides or OD while in custody.
More critically, if you and people like Mother’s Lament actually cared about the State killing people or improving the system one way or the other, you would know and admit this rather than conflating your intentions with the facts.
There is no metric, not dollars, not man hours, not illnesses, not deaths no metric, except the degree to which you value Kenny Eugene Smith's life above all else, by which Prisons are a lesser evil. There is a conception that they could be but, again, that is not the reality we live in.
More people die from extrajudicial killings while in prison than are executed by the state by something between several fold and an order of magnitude. And this isn’t even the gray territory of suicides or OD while in custody.
Seriously, no gray area like neglect by officers or old age or infection. Just straight up "Locking them in a cage with someone who will stab them with an ice pick to let them bleed out, maybe slowly, maybe even several times protractedly, maybe raping them, maybe not... is the lesser evil than putting them under a nitgrogen blanket."
U.S. Officials have Confirmed the beginning of Airstrikes against Houthi Targets in Yemen.
- CIG
So just fucking shoot him. Shoot him a lot. That will work.
Has Judge Judy commented?
I going to go out on a limb and say his parents voted for Trump and own a pickup truck larger than their trailer.
22-Caliber bullet to the forehead. Cheap. Quick. Decisive.
Probably painless.
Can we just put some Fentanyl in his biscuit & gravy?
They have to pretend to be humane about it.
The bullet should go to the back of the head or brainstem.
TSA Discovered Record Number Of Guns At Airports
Transportation Security Administration officers found a record 6,737 guns at airport security checkpoints across the United States last year.
According to the TSA, 93% of those guns were loaded.
In 2022, TSA agents discovered 6,542 guns, and in 2021, they found 5,972 guns.
According to Forbes, the number of guns found by TSA agents has tripled over the past decade.
- Russia Today
Those body cavity searches, while uncomfortable, are making air travel safer.
Imagine the type of people they caught trying to get on a plane with a gun while smuggling a gun up their ass.
TSA Misses 70% of Fake Weapons, But That's An Improvement
"The exact failure rate is unclear, because the numbers were released in a closed House Homeland Security Committee hearing, but CBS reported a failure rate of “more than 70” while ABC was told that an 80% failure estimate was “in the ballpark.”"
So if they discovered over 6,000 guns, probably about 15-20,000 are making it onboard. But how many are being fired? Oh, right basically none.
It used to be routine for people flying on hunting trips to carry guns in their carry on baggage, and it caused no problems. Apparently it still causes no problems.
Flying with edibles & vape cartridges purchased in Free States has never been easier. The TSA is now doing its job by focusing on guns, knives, and explosives.
Shouldn't they ask for volunteers first?
This guy volunteered and now wants to complain about being a test case. Dishonest bullshit
Are the lawyers following his direction, or are they following their own anti-death penalty ideology without regard for his wishes?
"The evidence establishes that executing Mr. Smith by nitrogen hypoxia using the Protocol would subject him to a substantial risk of serious harm"
Isn't that the idea?
So he has been convicted and sentenced to death...he then sued and won the right to die...and they still can't kill him? Something very wrong with our justice system.
If you have to do it, do it with a bullet to the head on the courthouse steps at noon.
Conversation now moot.