Newsom Defies Environmentalist Opposition To Build Badly Needed Water Tunnel
The long-planned tunnel will bring water from the Sacramento River to the state's dry southern regions.

The Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta is the West Coast's largest estuary, an awe-inspiring area of wetlands with 700 miles of waterways and 1,100 miles of levees nestled between the San Francisco Bay and the Central Valley south of Sacramento. It's one of the most magnificent places in California—a refuge of orchards, marinas, tin-roofed shacks, plantation homes and tiny historic towns that feels more Deep South than Golden State.
The 1949 movie, All the King's Men—based loosely on the life of Louisiana's populist Gov. Huey Long—was filmed in the Delta and neighboring Stockton. It is not the only "Southern" movie filmed in this haunting, foggy backwater. Given its unusual geography, small population and location 375 miles north of Los Angeles, the Delta doesn't garner much attention in the arid and bustling Southland. Yet the battle over California's water resources is centered in the region.
I certainly suggest a trip there for any California history buff. It's a short hop from Sacramento and it's worth a visit to Locke, a national historic site that was home to Chinese immigrants who built the levees and railroads. But learning about the area is a must for anyone interested in our water supplies, especially after the Newsom administration released an environmental report for a proposed tunnel to route Sacramento River water under the Delta and toward the farms and cities southward.
The Sacramento River is the linchpin of our water system. That river flows to the Delta, where supplies become entangled in a mish-mash of waterways and swamps. Orange County water official Brett Barbre compares it to a seven-lane freeway that hits a chokepoint of dirt paths before connecting to a smaller freeway southward. The tunnel project—originally proposed as twin tunnels in 2015, but down to a single tunnel now—would keep the water flowing.
Another good analogy comes from a UC Berkeley professor in the 1980s, when California considered a peripheral canal to circumvent the Delta: "California is on the operating table. The treatment team has elected to perform a delicate bit of vascular surgery….A new vessel is to be implanted, a synthetic conduit that will bypass the tangle of natural vessels around the patient's heart and carry the vital fluid from the blood-rich head and upper torso directly to the thirsty lap." You get the idea.
That proposal was put to statewide vote, but was defeated because Northern Californians opposed it by overwhelming margins. Fast-forward 41 years and California still hasn't relieved this bottleneck, leading to the common situation where officials shut down water supplies whenever an endangered Delta Smelt is found at the pumping station in Tracy. Like everything California proposes, this project will no doubt be overly expensive, but it's past time to build it.
Despite my critiques of the governor, I was pleased to see the Associated Press explain that the Department of Water Resources' release of that final environmental report "signals the Newsom administration's commitment to completing the project" despite opposition from locals and environmentalists. Newsom said that California water supplies could drop by 10 percent by 2040 because of climate change. Whether accurate or not, the state has too little storage now so any boost would help.
And here's the kicker, again from AP: "State officials said had this tunnel existed during (last year's) storms, the state could have captured and stored enough water for 2.3 million people to use for one year." That's a lot of water. Solving the Delta flow problem will assure more consistent supplies so San Joaquin Valley farmers don't have to plead with regulators for their allotted amounts whenever we have inevitable dry years
Environmentalists are, of course, livid. The Sierra Club claims it will destroy the ecosystem and instead urged the governor to "work with environmental and social justice groups" to "develop better proposals." I've seen the kind of proposals that emanate from such groups and, well, you can be sure they never include boosting supplies. Leftist groups tend to say no—and file lawsuits—against anything that creates more water for people.
As someone who loves—and lives near—the Delta, I would never support a destructive project. But the current environmental situation is a mess, with salt-water intrusion from the Pacific Ocean and subsidence (sinking) threatening farmland and towns. Salmon populations have been dropping despite the state's prioritization of fish flows. The tunnel would reinvigorate the Delta ecosystem by separating water flows and restoring surrounding habitats.
California has endured two severe droughts in the last decade. We've been bailed out by an above-average rainy season last year and perhaps this year. But we can't just rely on Mother Nature. Either California builds the water-infrastructure projects it needs, or we head toward a future of rationing. The tunnel isn't a cure-all, but it's one part of that needed strategy. Good for Newsom for moving it forward.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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The precipitous drop in Cali’s population could result in quenching the thirst of folks there without taking water from one location and conveying it to another.
But if the government decides to move ahead anyway, water you gonna do about it?
The San Andreas will correct the situation.
Will it be a no-fault decision?
That cracked me up.
Drown in debt.
It will be a watershed moment.
A wave of foreclosures.
They don't need a tunnel. Newsome must think there is an election next year if he is running around doing stuff like this. Oh, wait....
Cali needs to build more storage in the form of reservoirs but it won't do that so what else? I seem to remember a map showing this giant thing to the west of California called The Pacific Ocean. Build some friggen desalination plants already.
Carrying water for Newsom.
Does French Laundering use water?
I'm going to wager we don't have a Roundup today either.
What an asshole.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/democrat-secretary-state-kicks-trump-maine-ballot
If only there had been a single conviction of insurrection in the last 50 years - - - - - -
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Shenna Bellows take your account for a spell?
Another link for the fifty-centers who'll inevitably cry about Zerohedge.
Secretary of state disqualifies Trump from Maine's Republican primary ballot - Maine Public Radio
The DNC's unproven canned mantra that Welch invoked yesterday is again provided as the sole proof needed.
“I conclude … that the record establishes that Mr. Trump, over the course of several months and culminating on January 6, 2021, used a false narrative of election fraud to inflame his supporters and direct them to the Capitol to prevent certification of the 2020 election and the peaceful transfer of power,”
This is how actual fascism works.
So much more efficient than the Germans. Our Reichstag didn't even get set on fire!
I know it. Preventing the peaceful transition of power is not fascism, but taking they guy who tried to take the election by force is not. So true.
And if a Democrat sent thousands of people to the Capital to prevent the certification of an election, that would be fascist. And keeping that person off the ballot would not.
Principles shminciples.
Personally I would like more ballot access, not less. Though the Trumpian tears are soooo delicious.
Edit fail. Second sentence is missing "off the ballot" somewhere.
And your evidence that Trump sent people to the Capitol to interfere?
So you agree that if a Democrat did something similar to what Trump did it would be fascist, and it would be ok to keep such person off the ballot.
If they’re keeping Trump off the ballot based on a false premise, questions about what constitutes that premise are mere semantics.
Nothing that anyone has done in the wake of what happened, from the Congressional commissions to the left-wing judges and bureaucrats, has formally proven that Trump deliberately tried to convince the protestors to commit insurrection. It’s all been based on supposition and efforts at clairvoyance rather than what Trump actually said or did. That they’re exercising “Fuck you, that’s why” reasoning is hardly surprising given who’s doing it.
The same people saying that we should take their insurrection narrative seriously are the same people who said that Kyle Rittenhouse committed murder, or that Nick Sandmann was bullying that fake Indian who was drumming in his face. "Don't believe the video, believe what we're telling you." Fuck these Orwellian assholes.
To be fair...
Sarc also said it sucked Rittenhouse
was found not guilty.
Remember how that verdict was going to embolden a bunch of vigilante justice, shooting people in the streets? Has anything remotely similar even happened?
No, it didn't, and the reason that narrative went out was because the protests started to drop off procipitously after that happened.
These commie turds only believe in the revolution insofar as their actions are enabled by the establishment, which they fully were during the Summer of Floyd. Rittenhouse capping those two assholes made them realize that they might not make it home alive, and it wasn't because the po-po would do anything to them.
Actually I didn't. That's just one of the many lies you say about me every day.
Jesse, did you bookmark it?
I said that Rittenhouse created the situation by going there and walking around with a rifle, similar to a woman who dresses slutty and walks around a bad neighborhood at midnight. That doesn't mean he didn't have a right to defend himself, just as that woman doesn't deserve to get raped.
JesseAz is either too stupid or too dishonest to understand that.
And Jesse will continue to tell that lie every day because people believe it.
OK, so let me get this straight, they're to blame for dressing slutty/protecting property and not the actual perpetrators attacking them?
That's the opposite of what I said, and exactly what I expected you to say.
"I said that Rittenhouse created the situation by going there and walking around with a rifle, similar to a woman who dresses slutty and walks around a bad neighborhood at midnight.
Helping your friend defend his property against looters with a firearm is pretty much the most libertarian thing you can do.
Your analogy to "asking for it" is wrong in so many ways.
I've got an idea. Why don't you take a sentence out of context and claim the sentence that follows it doesn't exist. Oh yeah. That's what you just did.
I can understand JesseAz doing that because he's just dumb. But you're smarter than that, which makes you a liar.
In other words, it's Friday.
That’s the opposite of what I said, and exactly what I expected you to say.
Yet another case where you don't type what you mean, Sarc? You typed it, own up to it.
That doesn’t mean he didn’t have a right to defend himself, just as that woman doesn’t deserve to get raped.
Yeah, that means they deserved it. Sure guys.
For some reason it isnt letting me directly link. Give me a few.
I refuse to believe that any of you actually think he's going to produce a coherent answer.
The link will say what I just said. That he created the situation, but acted in self defense. JesseAz will then say I really meant the kid should have been found guilty of murder. Why? Because he's really dumb. And the rest will go along because they're liars.
Go have fun talking amongst yourselves about what I think. You don't need my input. Just like teenage girls.
Having problems linking it. What is going on with the comments.
Yeah, Sarc, that's some qualifier on your comment. Don't you see what's wrong with the first part of your comment?
Rittenhouse didn't create the situation, Sarc, he was there with his father during the day and at a friend's property. He did not go walking the streets, toting a gun, looking for someone to shoot.
The only thing wrong with the first part of my comment is that it's honest, and you guys abhor the truth. Otherwise you wouldn't lie all the time.
I give up. The comments are in the Rittenhouse acquittal thread.
...looking for someone to shoot.
You can't even repeat a simple sentence of mine without lying.
I wouldn't trust you to tell me the correct time. Jeez. You make cops and lawyers look honest.
I also have no doubt that if Rittenhouse was a Democrat and the guy she shot a Republican, that not a single one of you would know his name.
Instead you'd be naming the person he shot whenever there was a story about self defense, and arguing against a strawman that only Democrats are allowed to defend themselves.
Let's try again, from the ACLU thread about Rittenhouse.
That's quite a stretch, Mister Fantastic.
Why don't you dig through old comments, cherry pick something while deliberately ignoring the context, interpret it to mean something that it obviously doesn't mean, and insist that that's what I really think?
Oh, never mind. It's what you do all day, every day, even when I'm not around.
Damn, you're touchy this morning.
Thanks for confirming the comment you replied to by not contesting it. That was a rare bit of honesty.
Sarc, there's a very good thread on the Cuban sandwich this morning, and another commenter posted on how to make a proper one. Go read it, make one, try it, and report back. Just learn to chill the fuck out.
Why don't you talk a bunch of shit to someone, lie to their face about what they say right after they say it, call them a liar for disputing your lies, and then tell them to chill out when they defend themselves from the onslaught of mendacity?
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This sucks all around. Not saying the kid should have been convicted. However in my opinion he should have stayed home. That doesn’t excuse people attacking him. Had they not then they’d still be alive. Though had he stayed home they’d be alive.
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Good point. He might have found another seventeen year old kid who was also completely unprepared, untrained, and out of his league, to provoke and then get himself shot. That totally justifies the kid being there. Totally.
Mind you this is the acquittal thread where he kept victim blaming and refused to say self defense was justified.
Some more...
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I don’t carry a gun. I’m not a great shot and I lack training. Doing so would be inviting trouble that I don’t know how to handle.
So I don’t put myself into the situation this kid put himself into.
It just sucks.
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Would he have been attacked if he wasn’t armed? I know that’s stupid, to attack an armed person, but didn’t the kid create the situation?
Not a single post saying self defense was justified in the entire thread. All attacks on Rittenhouse.
It’s all been based on supposition and efforts at clairvoyance
And don't forget weaselly semantic arguments to try to shoehorn a broad understanding of the word "insurrection" into a legal ruling.
They had fire extinguishers! What more do you need for an insurrection?
Sarc was against both of them, so very unsurprising that he falls for the legacy medias narratives.
What was it I was against? I can't keep track of all the things you guys say I think.
What should one expect when he white-knighting Jeffy or the Pedo?
All I'm saying is that I seriously doubt you'd be defending a Democrat in the same situation.
The interference narrative is a lie.
1. Trump said nothing to anyone (lest of all the crowd on J6) about force and only tried to use the courts.
2. The crowd had already entered the capitol building when Trump was making the speech.
3. Nobody who was caught on camera calling for an attack on the capitol have been even charged. Also, the J6 pipebomber and the window breaker have been identified and not charged. The FBI and DHS have admitted to having a significant number of agents present in the crowd.
J6 was indeed part of an insurrection and an attack on democracy, but one perpetrated by the FBI. Not Trump.
#3 is incredibly damning.
The only people who openly called for an attack were not prosecuted.
2. The crowd had already entered the capitol building when Trump was making the speech.
Semantic nitpick-they'd breached the barricades and began assaulting police officers while Trump was still speaking. It was about 20 minutes after Trump finished speaking that they broke through the windows on the backside of the building and began pushing in.
Not what I said. I specifically asked, "And your evidence that Trump sent people to the Capitol to interfere?"
Now, do you have evidence or not?
Does it matter? Trump could have a smoking gun in his hand and a dead body at his feet, and you'd say he was framed.
There was a capitol police officer that held a smoking gun with the dead body of a peaceful protester at his feet. The shooter received an award.
And he was the only person who did anything wrong that day. I know the narrative. You guys say it every single day.
And what of Ray Epps?
Whatever you guys say. It's pretty clear that what I say about what I think doesn't matter. You guys will just call me a liar and have a conversation with each other about what I really think. Just like middle school, which was apparently training for real life for you guys.
Oh yes, we're the "mean girls" since we won't go along with your narrative.
You ask me what I think, I tell you, and you go on and claim something else. Then you repeat that lie ad nauseum until everyone believes it. Yes, you're just like girls in middle school. And apparently very proud of it.
You always do this Sarcasmic.
You troll the fuck out of this place until you get a bite, and then you act like you only wanted reasonable debate and everyone is being mean.
How fucking touchy are you? One asks a question or doubts your comment, and you get pissy about it. If there's anyone acting like a middle school/junior high school girl, it's you, Sarc.
The only reason you ask me questions about what I think is so you can call me a liar and tell me what I really think.
No, but he shot and killed a peaceful protester that day and was later exonerated whereas others engaging in protest have been treated like they were the 21st hijacker.
He shot and killed someone who attacked him. It was clearly self defense. And the guy who attacked him was clearly a JesseAz-level moron being that he attacked Rittenhouse because he was armed. If he'd left the rifle at home he wouldn't have been attacked. Hence my analogy to a woman dressed like a slut in a bad neighborhood at night. She doesn't deserve to get raped, but if she does it won't be a surprise.
Sarc, that's about the dumbest thing I've yet seen here this morning, and that includes Pluggo's usual bullshit. Rittenhouse was attacked because he was there, regardless of whether he had a gun or not.
Rittenhouse was attacked because he was there, regardless of whether he had a gun or not.
I don't believe that for a second. Regardless he acted in self defense.
Aaaand JesseAz will continue to claim I think Rittenhouse was guilty of murder, aaaaand you will never ever ever call him out on that lie. If anything you'll join in. Because that's what thirteen year old girls do.
Sarc, if you are peacefully protesting at a public space, are shot dead by a government agent, and I’m on the jury for that leo I’m finding them guilty of killing you.
If you are in a public space, some pedo like Pluggo attacks you with a skateboard, you shoot them in self-defense, and I’m on the jury I’m finding you innocent.
Pick any leftist media site and you'll have all the evidence he relies on. Never ask him to read the publicly available speeches.
evidence shmevidence CNN said so!
that the record establishes that Mr. Trump, over the course of several months and culminating on January 6, 2021, used a false narrative of election fraud to inflame his supporters
If usinfg a false narrative of election fraud somehow inflamed people to riot at the Capitol, then, would not Patricke Cullor's, Nikole Hannah-Jones's, and Charles M. Blows's using a false narrative of police officers habitually hunting down and gunning down unarmed Black men have inflamed people to eriot at Portland, Minneapolis, and Kenosha?
Can't wait until Trump gets the information under FOIA..that the Secretaries of State were talking to each other about removing him from the ballot. Then he will have the Rodney King Act Violations by those Secretaries of State individually and a RICO ACT violation collectively.
The suit will be for tens of millions in damages and PERSONALLY against those Secretaries of State. Interestingly, they can not utilize government attorneys if Trump brings those civil and civilly initiated criminal actions against them. They will HAVE NO IMMUNITY OF OFFICE!
EVEN BETTER, Trump will probably be able to file those actions in FLORIDA FEDERAL COURTS as he is RESIDENT THERE and the Secretaries of State have no immunity and harmed him interstate.
Yep. One political operative, motivated by the desire to elevate her own political standing, removed Trump from the ballot in a state where he has previously won electoral votes.
And she was rewarded with a huge spotlight, getting immediately interviewed on CNN and MSNBC within hours of the ruling. She’s previously run for public office and been overwhelmingly defeated but then she saw a great opportunity to get her name out there by making history. Yes, this is a problem that she can just do this to voters and to a man who yet stands not guilty to springboard her own crappy campaign political career.
and violated the United Sates Constitutional rights of Trump and then committed defamation of character publicly claiming that TRUMP has been convicted of Insurrection and attempting overthrow of the Federal Government, LIBEL AND SLANDER.
She violated the RODNEY KING ACT specifically.
I hope that TRUMP SUES HER and proves she holds no immunity of office for her actions and is PERSONALLY LIABLE for all her actions and costs to TRUMP and the Republican Party.
The Supreme Court of Colorado justices that ordered this may have special immunity, however that may also go by the wayside in this case. The dissenting votes were too well documented that the ones who decided have no ground to stand legally speaking, not a legal theorem exists for their position. One should not create law by adjudication without highly supportive legal theorem and not be held liable in the end. It is unfortunate that even if a judge or justice has financial and political cause and benefits by purposefully making a wrong decision that there can be no action against them. They have perfect immunity just as a KING did. Judges hold immunity that We the People removed from all, until the law makers gave that immunity back to judges! IT is time that judges have their immunity diminished to the same as any other government agent.
We'll see more crying about this when/if some republican decides to do the same and remove Biden from their state's ballot.
I just don’t see Republicans retaliating in this way. There’s been no lead up for it. Nobody has been bringing legal challenges to get Biden removed from the ballot in dozens of states, the way they’ve had ongoing cases to remove Trump. The left plays these lawfare games so much more heavily than the right.
And I think this is an area in which there should be retaliation, in order to make people confront how snotty their own position is. The Audi out and blatant hypocrisy is astounding and needs a massive spotlight. But I don’t have hope that anyone is doing this.
3 gop states pushed forward removal of Biden in a symbolic manner. They have no intention of following through. They were clear in their statements.
I was happy to see one Maine legislator called for an impeachment of the Secretary of State. But it seems unlikely to go anywhere. They probably can't even get the support necessary to hold a special legislative session, so they might never even have a vote.
They don't need to retaliate They already have reasons aplenty to keep that POS off the ballot especially this one.
Article IV, Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
They're already moving forward with it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-pull-trigger-on-plan-to-remove-joe-biden-from-ballots/ar-AA1lUI3q
On the one hand, I still don't agree with it.
On the other hand, turnabout is fair play, so if that's the can of worms the Democrats want to open, so be it.
I think the Supreme Court should step in and put an end to this, and do it quickly.
Agreed. I'm not a fan either, but the Dems did decide to open this can of worms, and they still haven't learned the axiom, "be careful what you wish for, you might just get it."
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
No one in the Dem leadership is capable of long-term thinking.
Nonsense, They're thinking of all those future MexiHonduGuatazeluan votes.
Rig the stupid game, win the presidency.
As usual, they are playing it stupid; unfortunately, Biden has not done anything that can be described as insurrection or aiding and abetting insurrection…Harris on the other hand. They should start in Colorado, by their own standards she has by bailing out those who were obviously committing acts of insurrection. They won’t go for it of course but it would be fun watching them bend themselves into pretzels to explain telling people to protest peacefully is insurrection but actually encouraging those burning down cities and then bailing them out after to do it again is not.
Their claims are supporting an invasion by not protecting the border.
Given that you don't need a conviction, apparently someone could self-execute the removal of Biden by claiming he committed insurrection by interfering in Burisma when he was VP. It affected a government function, which is insurrection. Or you could allege he's committed treason by using his son, Hunter, to engage in illegal backdoor deals with China. Or that he's ineligible because he violated the constitution by canceling student loan debt. Or that he's pushing an illegal proxy war in the Ukraine.
It's not like these acts need any substantial proof or due process, apparently.
In his withdrawal from, Afghanistan, he left behind American weapons and equipment for the Taliban.
That's aid.
that's comfort.
Man, there's been so many issues with this presidency, I forgot about the sloppy pullout.
Doing this shit in swing states is pointless because they know it won't go forward.
It's not happening unless reliable red states like Indiana, Wyoming, or Oklahoma starts doing the same thing, much like what reliable blue states are doing with Trump.
Until you make the enemy play by their own rules, which means inverting their repressive tolerance in the other direction, you're just circle-jerking.
Amazing how all these statements from talking heads at CNN sound like jeff and sarc. Especially the cleanest election ever narratives.
I imagine that the Pine Tree State progressives are sarcle jerking over this form of election interference.
The shambolic bellowing of the Maine secretary of state on full display.
If only the Confederate states had realized they could use section 3 of the 14th amendment to disqualify Northern Presidential candidates, maybe they wouldn't have lost the war huh?
Oh, wait, that amendment is specifically aimed at overriding the states by the Federal government instead of the other way around.
If the Federal Government doesn't say he engaged in 'insurrection' the States don't get any say in the issue. Liberal states are literally the one's committing insurrection here, if anyone is, by misinterpreting the very basis of the 14th amendment's section 3.
There is no chance whatsoever that the Supreme Court is going to do anything except throw this garbage out, and the voting public will have a fresh reason to vote for Trump I.E. the obvious weaponization of law against him in particular. This goes way beyond novel construction into outright unexcused fascism. They aren't even bothering to lie about it anymore, or pretend otherwise.
Leftists can't see it that way, but I think Republicans will and so too will a percentage of Independents. Probably not enough to win, but it will be plenty for this to become the 'new normal' and further the destruction of trust in the United States.
I’m going to wager we don’t have a Roundup today either.
I'm hoping Ms. Wolfe is enjoying some new years time off - maybe she went back to Texas this time for some holiday BBQ - that would at least make it worth abandoning us for a few days.
How you create food deserts.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/leftist-politician-germany-says-migrants-are-entitled-mass-loot-grocery-stores
A few heads on pikes outside the stores will fix this problem.
I don’t know why rooftop Koreans aren’t just a permanent feature.
Can you imagine what would happen to them today if they tried that...10 years for brandishing.
They need to be those of the EU politicians and bureaucrats who created the situation more than Tunisian gangs effecting their policies.
Por qué no los dos?
A few heads on pikes outside the Reichstag too.
“Siding with the criminals, Koçak suggested that the migrants were “entitled” to steal because the government wasn’t giving them enough free money in welfare payments.”
And they just weren’t fans of the chip butties that were handed out at the nearest shelter.
Koçak is 'German' in that he was born there, I believe, but his family is middle east immigrants, and he is himself Antifa, so I don't doubt that he would side with looters or migrants. It's probably a bonus to him if the looters ARE migrants.
His family is from Turkey. He's about as German as Suleiman.
Illegal immigrants are pure profit and just want to work. Or so I've been told.
"A shop owner in Germany was denounced as a racist for complaining about migrants mass looting his store, while a left-wing politician sided with the criminals, saying they were “entitled” to steal."
It was Atkinson in "Day of the Battle", commenting on the French' erratic behavior in WWII: 'All the capriciousness which dependency engenders'.
You'd get the impression he's not a fan of the 'New Deal'.
"Meanwhile, in the UK, supermarkets are now having to employ people to stand at the exit and check receipts against shopping carts due to try to stem mass looting."
Are these people solely comprised of obese women and old men like at Walmarts? If so, I'm not sure how much they are going to accomplish.
Until we tell Mexico that we are prepared to view them as assisting with an invasion against us and we will respond accordingly, things won't improve.
Mexico is a sovereign nation.
First we should build the wall and back it up with razor wire and machine guns.
When legal immigration is the only non-lethal route into the US, we will get legal immigration.
Koçak is a Turkroach, so it's not surprising that he's defending theft of good Germans.
Is that a type of vermin?
They're basically the BLM of Germany, so yeah.
On-topic before Roundup posts:
Newsom is an ignoramus, example #n.
Northern CA does not have a water surplus, except in those years where So Cal has a surplus also; this is not an issue to be solved by distribution, it is to be solved by additional reservoirs and other storage techniques.
And if you care to see how So Cal treats its water when it does receive an excess, why look right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy9Bz-e5r_o
Delivered direct from the mountains to the Pacific Ocean with no benefit to humanity along the way.
Did I mention that Newsom is an ignoramus?
2023, The Year the US Became a Banana Republic, and it's not a bad movie title.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/12/29/the-year-america-became-a-banana-republic/
Don't forget that the Koch network is dedicated to this democracy crushing goal:
Koch Political Machine Vows to Fight to Deny Trump GOP Nomination in 2024
Expect the orangemanbad invective of Reason's brown-envelope writers to amplify in the coming months.
Koch Libertarians vow to fight Trump Fascists?
Say it ain't so!
It's funny, but you really need to explain why you have a "2" after your name.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
So weird. Sarc cries when people correctly use the term fascist, but oddly silent when shrike incorrectly uses it against Trump.
Buttplug has endorsed censorship, war, racism, political prosecutions and indefinite incarceration without trial right here on this board. If Trump was actually a fascist then Buttplug would be his biggest fan.
As someone wrote in the other thread, this was vigilantism.
Roundup:
"SF rapper’s half-apology to London Breed, explained"
[...]
"Although, seriously, he apologizes for the “ignorance” and “foolishness” he displayed when he posted a music video on YouTube in which he described Mayor London Breed as “nothing but a clown.”
Then again, he can’t help but note that he has received threats from an unnamed — but well-connected — person since posting for the video, and is primarily apologizing for the sake of his family...
https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/politics/london-breed-rap-controversy-a-strange-san-francisco-saga/article_e4ddfec2-a5ae-11ee-bf86-f3d6f5ecfeae.html
So 'free speech' so long as you don't dis a (D) pathetic clown like Breed?
The Chron has a more detailed comment; "...the threats came from a very powerful person who has links to presidents..."
Stinks of that hag Pelosi.
BTW, you can actively and publicly criticize Breed nearly without dissent. The question remains whether half of those agreeing with you are convinced she's not idiotic enough.
Insurrection Update!
Exclusive: Recordings, emails show how Trump team flew fake elector ballots to DC in final push to overturn 2020 election
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Two days before the January 6 insurrection, the Trump campaign’s plan to use fake electors to block President-elect Joe Biden from taking office faced a potentially crippling hiccup: The fake elector certificates from two critical battleground states were stuck in the mail.
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So, Trump campaign operatives scrambled to fly copies of the phony certificates from Michigan and Wisconsin to the nation’s capital, relying on a haphazard chain of couriers, as well as help from two Republicans in Congress, to try to get the documents to then-Vice President Mike Pence while he presided over the Electoral College certification.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/28/politics/recordings-trump-team-fake-elector-ballots/index.html
The simple fact that your article calls a protest an "InSuRrEcTi0n" is ample evidence to discount anything within it is as the article's writers have already proven they have a distinct Democrat bias.
And, for pete's sake that lying pile of lefty shit cites CNN! Why not just get some 'news' from those prosecuting the made-up crimes supposedly committed by Trump?
See Hawaii 64 electors issue.
Uh, what was that?
Probably something the Gateway Pundit or Alex Jones made up.
Get with the fake news updates!
So, uh, Pluggo, why do you have a "2" after your name?
No. Just not being ignorant.
"Probably something the Gateway Pundit or Alex Jones made up."
Hawaii Democrats used ‘Fake Electors’ during the 1960 election to hand the state to Kennedy. But you knew that, didn't you, shill?
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
In 64 the Presidential election was in the courts in Hawaii. The constitution has specified certification dates on electors. Since the case was not resolved Hawaii certified 2 slates of electors pending the outcome.
Trump likewise had active ongoing cases during the required dates. Those electors that shtike is talking about welfare meant to satisfy the constitutional date while waiting for cases to resolve.
When was a law passed against it?
No law has ever been passed regarding it as they are constitutional dates. There is no actual fraud. It is an invented charge.
"When was a law passed against it?"
We got a live one here folks; facts are irrelevant so long as TDS-addled shit can figure some mis-direction.
Keep it up asshole, it's fun to bat ignoramuses like you around.
1960 election, but otherwise yeah.
Whoops. Youre correct.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
If I were a resident of one of California's less-arid regions, say, near this river, which I depended on, I might be more than a little pissed about diverting my resources to help out the idiots who decided to move to the desert but still want their green fescue lawns.
Speaking of - There are several proposals by these same desert dwellers to pump water from my area out west to water their lawns.
https://apnews.com/article/science-arizona-state-government-california-disaster-planning-and-response-automated-insights-earnings-be28e7e022007c82cdee63ca2b9ed555
They can expect to be met with significant resistance.
Speaking of – There are several proposals by these same desert dwellers to pump water from my area out west to water their lawns.
Are you referring to that cockamamie idea to drain the Mississippi River via a pipeline to the Colorado River? Yeah, anyone who thinks that's even remotely possible, from a political or engineering standpoint, is too stupid to take seriously. You can outline all the reasons--the energy to get it over the Continental Divide doesn't make it cost-effective, the project itself would run into massive lawsuits by the environmental lobby that would kill it dead, all the red state Senators on the Mississippi would publicly and loudly kill it in committee just for the pleasure of telling California to get fucked, no Senator from a riparian rights state is going to sign off on a bill to help refill a river for prior appropriation states--and these morons will still argue until they're blue in the face that it can be done, "if we just have the will and can-do American spirit."
Obviously you'd just tunnel through the Continental Divide.
Nah, you just go around.
Maybe you’re joking, but where, exactly? Look at a map of the Rocky Mountains. No matter where you go, there’s a mountain range of some kind in your way, nor any obvious pathway through passes to get to the most obvious drainage river in the watershed, which is the San Juan. Everything else is too blocked off by moutnains or drains in the wrong direction.
And, there’s elevation gain to deal with as you go from the Mississippi before you even *get* to the Rocky Mountains. Pueblo, for example, is still 4600 feet above sea level. Walsenburg is over 6,000 feet. There’s a reason all that water drains from the east side of the Rockies into the Mississippi and Missouri watersheds to begin with.
And boring a tunnel through the Rocky Mountains, regardless of where you do it, is still as unrealistic as anything else. The longest one, the Moffat Tunnel, is only six miles long.
I was, in fact, absolutely, 100% joking.
They were talking about an above-ground pipeline in the article I linked. With an 80-ft diameter. Which would not only require a very large amount of pumping to get that much cross section of water that uphill over that distance (400 ft elevation at Cairo, IL, 6,000 ft elevation at Santa Fe, NM, 1000 miles), I would have to think that you would be draining a rather significant percentage of the river's flow to fill that pipe.
to help out the idiots who decided to move to the desert but still want their green fescue lawns
This water won't go south of Bakersfield - this is about the south Valley, not the LA Basin. LA gets its water from Mono Lake and the Colorado River.
The classic agricultural frustration of CA is that the north Valley is too wet while the south Valley is too dry. Balancing them out creates some of the most productive farmland in the world. We've been pumping water out of the Delta and down the CA Aqueduct to the Bakersfield area since the '60s. This new project will take water from the Sacramento River (north Valley) and route it directly to the south Valley without waiting for it to collect in the Delta and be pumped back out.
The real trouble here that isn't being and won't be addressed is the seniority-based prior appropriation rights on water that keep the oldest farms in CA - i.e. the ones on the Delta - pumping millions of gallons of water into the swamps every year in order to maintain their claims on that volume of water.
But then again, Gavin wouldn't be Gavin if he weren't trying to solve a sticky political problem with a massive piece of infrastructure.
The “Libertarian Case for Gavin Newsom” begins.
Oh boy, Reason's favorite republican Nikki Haley is in some hot water now, someone apparently asked her a question about the Civil War and she neglected to mention anything about slavery, which of course is politically a big no-no.
I'm starting to think that Koch is wasting his time and money backing a plain old bona fide dummy. I thought she was a little savvier than this, but apparently not.
It was a shameless attempt to get the rest of us to forget that her state was the first to tear down statues.
Never apologize to the left.
They also fired the first shot in the War of Southern Stupidity.
Heard any good fake scandals lately, Mikey?
You're usually on top of them.
Please, for the sake of the commentariat, explain why you have a "2" after your name.
Pray tell, why is there a 2 at the end of your name?
turd lies. That's not a surprise to anyone who reads his constant stream of bullshit.
But it's becoming obvious that as Misek is too stupid to understand the concepts of "evidence" or "relevance", the concept of "honesty" is simply beyond turd's ken.
Why the "2", Buttplug?
You couldn't have an honest discussion about any subject in the world if your very life depended on it you fat, disgusting Ron Jeremy lookin' retard. Why don't you tell us how you think the war in Ukraine is going to end up.
turd hasn't the intelligence to accept there is something like "honesty"; in his opinion, the only reason to engage in a discussion might be the possibility of 'winning'.
The concept of 'learning' is a complete and total mystery to turd, which is the reason turd lies. It's what turd does.
No supporter of Haley, but it seems she was right, and in her 'back-peddling' vid, she does a pretty good job of explaining it.
Slavery was a horror engendered by government's failure to protect *ALL* humans from abuse by others.
In slavery, the US government allowed certain humans to wrest the monopoly of force in order to coerce a certain class of people to perform as the former demanded, under threat of death.
Lincoln didn't get it; he was never a fan of limited government. He though the size of the US was of paramount importance.
The south didn't get it; they claimed the war was about slavery, since that was the cause likely to unite populace behind the southern government.
But what Haley is doing here is what we'd wish of all candidates; going beyond sloganeering and addressing how the government was to blame.
Blaming the war on 'slavery' is every bit as honest as blaming the lost economic progress, and every other ill on "the pandemic" rather than "THE LOCKDOWNS"; power grabs allowing idiotic government restrictions.
What Nikki Haley Should Have Said About The Civil War (townhall.com)
Haley was asked by an attendee, “What was the cause of the United States Civil War?” Rather than stating the obvious, Haley gave the fabulously fractured response, “I mean, I think the cause of the Civil War was basically how the government was going to run the freedoms and what people could and couldn’t do.”
It is a mystery why Haley spoke this tortured collection of words rather than the simple historical truth. The cause of the Civil War was Democrats who wanted to preserve chattel slavery.
By the mid-19th century, most of the civilized world had done away with slavery. But American Democrats wanted to continue owning black people as property so they started a war to keep their slaves following the election of a Republican president in 1860.
But before Democrats started the war, they started seceding from the Union. Democrat Governor William Gist got things started in South Carolina in December 1860, forcing the legislature to remain in session until the election results were final. After calling for a secession convention and beefing up the state militia, Gist was happy to sign the instrument of secession.
Six more states, all run by Democrat governors, seceded from the Union over the next few months, and by April 1861, Democrats decided it was time to start killing people who disagreed with them. In the pre-dawn hours of April 12, a Democrat from Virginia named Edmund Ruffin is said to have been given the honor of firing the first shot at soldiers inside Fort Sumter. Astonishingly, Democrats failed to kill a single American after a 36-hour bombardment.
Now that Democrats had started a war so they could continue owning human beings, four other states run by Democrats - Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina and Tennessee - joined their fellow insurrectionists in the effort to maintain slavery.
By June 8, 1861, a total of 11 states run by Democrats had left the Union, but it took about six more weeks for Democrats to start killing people en masse in support of slavery. They waged the first major battle of the Civil War, the first battle of Manassas, on July 21. The Union suffered 2,708 casualties in a battle won by the South. By the end of the war, the Democrats’ fight to preserve slavery left about 620,000 Americans dead.
Some people will complain that this assessment is overly partisan but critics cannot honestly say it’s incorrect. Democrats wanted to keep owning slaves so badly, they were willing to kill people in vast numbers. The chattel slavery defended by Democrats was so evil, New York Magazine writer Eric Levitz noted that we are, “entirely correct to condemn U.S. chattel slavery as a world-historic atrocity.”
The history of violence by Democrats did not end with the Civil War. Democrats formed the Ku Klux Klan as a means of terrorizing freed slaves and whites who defended the freedom of black Americans. Democrat violence continued with Jim Crow laws designed to prevent blacks from participating in society. Democrats are engaged in violence today, with pro-Hamas demonstrations from coast to coast, trans days of vengeance, and other assorted expressions of chaos.
The history of American Democrats is littered with 200 years of violence against those with whom they disagree; it is embedded in their DNA. They are prepared to destroy, injure, and kill to get or preserve whatever they want. That is neither hyperbole nor exaggeration but historical fact. If you doubt this, just watch the news in 2024.
But the important thing to remember is that wars are not caused by policy; wars are caused by people in pursuit of policy. In the case of the Civil War, it was caused by Democrats who wanted to continue slavery. If the subject ever comes up, in any context, the correct response to what caused the bloodiest conflict in American history requires a single word: Democrats.
The irony here is delicious! The same special interests that ensured that the Governor of California has near dictatorial powers to impose socialism on the State, now has dictatorial powers to impose water projects for the special water interests. Who could have ever guessed that the lock on government authority that the Social Democrat majority has might someday come back to bite them on their butts?
water projects for the special water interests
Nah - the "special water interests" I don't think really have a dog in this race. This about big construction contracts. This project will cost in the billions.
And do squat for CA's manufactured 'water shortages'.
Apparently, libertarianism now includes support for massive agricultural subsidies, massive government spending on infrastructure projects, massive handouts to special interests, and massive government regulation of water usage. Because that's what Newsom's water policy amounts to.
In a free market, water resources would be allocated by the market and California wouldn't be producing a lot of produce because it doesn't make sense.
But, hey, can't import millions of low skill workers to slave on California's plantation system without actually supplying that plantation system with subsidized water.
Although that may be correct, the other half of the story here is the state ALLOWING private enterprise to invest in water projects. Water rights have been among the most contentious throughout the history of the United States. The issues are very complex and difficult to analyze legally and from basic principles. Nevertheless, when vague concepts like "environment" and "endangered species" are allowed to derail any and all progress through the power of government "approval" or "permitting" the issues become crystal clear.
Water rights have been among the most contentious throughout the history of the United States. The issues are very complex and difficult to analyze legally and from basic principles.
That's because it's not "water ownership" but incompatible notions of "water rights".
For example, if I live above an underground natural water reservoir, I should own the water under my land, yet under the "water rights" California created, they get to take the water and hand it to farmers without compensating me.
"...In a free market, water resources would be allocated by the market..."
There are some few activities where the government should do something as it is nearly impossible to do so otherwise. I'd suggest reservoirs are among them.
"...and California wouldn’t be producing a lot of produce because it doesn’t make sense..."
Disagreed. Certainly the farming interests should not be getting subsidized water, but other than that, the central valley is ideal ag area.
There are some few activities where the government should do something as it is nearly impossible to do so otherwise. I’d suggest reservoirs are among them.
Agreed - there's no meaningful 'market' in locations suitable for reservoirs.
Certainly the farming interests should not be getting subsidized water, but other than that, the central valley is ideal ag area.
Again, agreed. The farming interests should be paying for all of this infrastructure, but rejiggering the water in the Central Valley in the service of agriculture makes a ton of sense, and it would really be insane not to.
Disagreed. Certainly the farming interests should not be getting subsidized water, but other than that, the central valley is ideal ag area.
Leaving the fact that it is a desert aside, the Central Valley is a lousy area for agriculture for the simple reason that US labor costs are too high and a lot of the crops grown there are labor intensive. The only way agriculture in those areas can function is because of the importation of dirt cheap labor from other countries, often illegally. The free market solution would be for agriculture to move to those other countries.
There are some few activities where the government should do something as it is nearly impossible to do so otherwise. I’d suggest reservoirs are among them.
There is no obvious reason why there ought to be large scale reservoirs in the first place; they are expensive, bad for the environment, prone to catastrophic failure, and expensive to maintain. There is also no obvious reason why private markets couldn't provide them if they were effective.
More likely, small ponds and storage facilities are simply more efficient and resilient.
"Leaving the fact that it is a desert aside,.."
Which can be changed to extremely productive ag area with the addition of water. Humans are good at that, as has been obvious from the 'Fertile Triangle', through the Nile delta and the CA central valley
"...the Central Valley is a lousy area for agriculture for the simple reason that US labor costs are too high and a lot of the crops grown there are labor intensive..."
Well, the cost/benefit ratio ought to be left to those involved in the trade, not some nosy do-gooder.
"...There is no obvious reason why there ought to be large scale reservoirs in the first place; they are expensive, bad for the environment, prone to catastrophic failure, and expensive to maintain. There is also no obvious reason why private markets couldn’t provide them if they were effective..."
Perhaps people want to live there and don't carer to ask your permission?
But I see you're an expert at everything, and willing to 'direct' others regardless of their choices.
Pull up that mask! It's slipping!
Well, the cost/benefit ratio ought to be left to those involved in the trade, not some nosy do-gooder. ... Perhaps people want to live there and don’t carer to ask your permission?
You are the one trying to justify huge government subsidies and regulations.
I am very much saying that the "cost/benefit ration should be left" to the people there: they should bear the f*cking costs themselves rather than transfer them to tax payers.
"You are the one trying to justify huge government subsidies and regulations."
No, I'm doing nothing of the sort. Those who wish to live there can pay for it.
No, I’m doing nothing of the sort. Those who wish to live there can pay for it.
You are making arguments for the status quo, for the rationality of a highly subsidized and regulated system of agriculture and water rights in California. Therefore, you are justifying huge government subsidies and regulations.
You either can't read or you won't. Not engaging a dishonest agent.
Parts of the valley are very poor ag locations due to lack of drainage of toxic accumulations, but much is prime soil and siting. Ag is indispensable but providing subsidized water for high margin export crops like almonds is piss-poor stewardship of a public asset. Expansion of those kinds of plantings is part of the hostage game that junior water rights holders play when water is more limiting.
Ag is indispensable
Ag is quite dispensable. Lots of nations have dispensed with it because, despite having good soil AND water, they are still not good agriculture producers.
but much is prime soil and siting
Major inputs to agriculture are soil, water, cheap labor, and a bunch of others. The most limited input determines whether agriculture is sensible. California lacks both water and cheap labor.
California has endured two severe droughts in the last decade.
This line made me think "Greenhut clearly didn't grow up in California," and a quick Google search suggests that no, he didn't.
I'm old enough to remember Ricky Raindrop ("keep an eye on that dripping tap!") from the '70s and "If it's yellow let it mellow, if it's brown flush it down" from the '90s.
Drought is what California does. Get used to it.
As are horrendously wet years, which CA gladly pours into the Pacific Ocean, gaining no benefit to humanity in between.
Why, it's almost like the 'powers that be' in CA subscribe to Rousseau's religion of the "Noble Savage, and if you're at all familiar with the dystopian CA government officials, this is not a surprise.
They are people driven by a anti-human, pro-'nature' agenda, totally unconscious to the reality that humans are not aliens, dropped by a space-ship, but every bit as 'natural' as the spotted owl.
BTW, some watermelon here, informed me years ago, that nearly every river in CA had been dammed. As if there were a limit of one dam per river.
And stop building in arid areas until some other source of water besides draining the estuaries is available.
Was trying to add to this point, but it got hooked in way down below.
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NY Times article “In California, a Wet Era May Be Ending” indicates that the last 150 years (i.e., since about California statehood) has been unusually wet, and that current conditions are essentially a reversion to the norm:
“Equally as important but much easier to forget is that we consider the last 150 years or so to be normal,” he added. “But you don’t have to go back very far at all to find much drier decades, and much drier centuries.”
That raises the possibility that California has built its water infrastructure — indeed, its entire modern society — during a wet period.
But scientists say that in the more ancient past, California and the Southwest occasionally had even worse droughts — so-called megadroughts — that lasted decades. At least in parts of California, in two cases in the last 1,200 years, these dry spells lingered for up to two centuries.
The new normal, scientists say, may in fact be an old one.
"YOU LIVE IN THE DESERT! MOVE TO WHERE THE WATER IS!"—Sam Kinison
Yup. Amazes me why sheep follow other sheep.
Border Collies, I suspect.
As a general rule, always at least ignore or do/believe the exact opposite of what "environmentalists" and other anti-human eco extremists claim. In pretty much EVERYTHING!
Counter Intelligence Global
The Biden administration once again bypasses Congress on an emergency weapons sale to Israel
The State Department said Friday that Secretary of State Antony Blinken had told Congress that he had made a second emergency determination covering a $147.5 million sale for equipment, including fuses, chargers and primers, that is needed to make the 155 mm shells that Israel has already purchased function.
Bypassing Congress with emergency determinations for arms sales is an unusual step that has in the past met resistance from lawmakers, who normally have a period of time to weigh in on proposed weapons transfers and, in some cases, block them.
Story taken from PBS Newshour.
https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-disprove-claims-they-will-covertly-rig-election-by-rigging-it-in-plain-sight
You people are just feral...like rats in a cage attacking each other and don't even remember why. The article is about a water project in California. How did Nazis and Trump and Israel get into it? I'm trying to expand my reading to take in conservative viewpoints, and you all demonstrate why it's difficult to rationally discuss policy: it quickly turns into arms-flailing, vitriol spewing attack way off topic. Never consider another viewpoint other than your own, compromise, or admit error, just yell louder about anything.
"..I’m trying to expand my reading to take in conservative viewpoints,..."
Except when they are at variance with yours?
Sarc or stupidity...
The morning roundup is usually where the conversation covers multiple topics, but Reason doesn’t do a roundup on weekends and holidays, so the regulars just adopt one article or another to engage in roundup type threads.
Seeing as how you’re “trying to expand (your) reading to take in conservative viewpoints”, you seem to have your mind made up going in.
Haha. WaPo is more your speed. Doosh.
NY Times article "In California, a Wet Era May Be Ending" indicates that the last 150 years (i.e., since about California statehood) has been unusually wet, and that current conditions are essentially a reversion to the norm:
"Equally as important but much easier to forget is that we consider the last 150 years or so to be normal," he added. "But you don't have to go back very far at all to find much drier decades, and much drier centuries."
That raises the possibility that California has built its water infrastructure — indeed, its entire modern society — during a wet period.
But scientists say that in the more ancient past, California and the Southwest occasionally had even worse droughts — so-called megadroughts — that lasted decades. At least in parts of California, in two cases in the last 1,200 years, these dry spells lingered for up to two centuries.
The new normal, scientists say, may in fact be an old one.
You'd also be more authoritarian than even the worst reconstructionist of that era.
Marx would be proud.
Who do you want to kill?
KAR, thank you for the strawman.
How are these “MAGA chuds” trying to destroy the country?
So you want to kill people that come into the city that cause “civil unrest”? How do you define civil unrest?
Since when do big city dwellers require outsiders to come in to cause civil unrest? They seem to do quite well with it without assistance.