If You Ignore Claudine Gay's Plagiarism, Shame on You
Academic malfeasance by Harvard's president deserves media coverage and condemnation, not excuses.

Claudine Gay is the president of Harvard University. In recent weeks, she has come under fire for plagiarizing portions of her 1997 doctoral dissertation, as well as published articles she had authored in recent years.
Examples of plagiarism were first identified by the conservative writer and activist Christopher Rufo, following Gay's much-derided congressional testimony regarding antisemitism on campus. Rufo has all but declared war on the Ivy League, which has prompted many academics to ignore his claims on grounds that he is acting in bad faith; Harvard Law School professor Charles Fried told The New York Times that Gay was fending off an "extreme right-wing attack on elite institutions."
"If it came from some other quarter, I might be granting it some credence," he said, referring to the plagiarism accusations. "But not from these people."
Similarly, NAACP President Derrick Johnson dismissed all criticism of Gay as "political theatrics advancing a White supremacist agenda."
This attitude, though common, is profoundly mistaken. The charges facing Gay are serious, as recent coverage by mainstream outlets—like the Times and CNN—has finally conceded. Neither Rufo's alleged political agenda nor the timing of these revelations should matter if they are in fact true. There's nothing inherently racist or white supremacist about applying Harvard's own standards for students and faculty to the president of the institution. On the contrary, excusing plagiarism at the most elite levels of academia merely because the people calling it out are on the wrong team would constitute a profound betrayal of the very values the academy supposedly values. Harvard, which has done very little to address the charges, should take note.
Rufo's initial reporting, co-authored by writer Christopher Brunet, contended that Gay's dissertation reused sentences from other scholars without adequately rewording them; she cites her sources but does not thoroughly paraphrase. This is a form of sloppy plagiarism in which credit is given but sufficient effort is not undertaken to rework the underlying material. People can disagree about how serious the charge is, but it does appear to violate Harvard's policies.
The Washington Free Beacon's Aaron Sibarium found numerous additional examples of sloppy plagiarism throughout articles published by Gay between 1993 and 2017. Several of the plagiarized scholars—as well as academic experts consulted by Sibarium—agreed that she had committed plagiarism.
It gets worse. Phillip W. Magness, an economic historian who has written for Reason, discovered a passage from a 2014 paper in which Gay inadequately paraphrased other scholars' work and also failed to cite them.
EXCLUSIVE: @PhilWMagness has identified another instance of plagiarism by Claudine Gay, bringing the total to 41 instances across 8 papers over a 30-year time horizon.
In a 2014 working paper titled "Fighting Poverty, Mobilizing Voters: Housing Investment and Political… pic.twitter.com/C2LXTCib8H
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) December 21, 2023
That's quite a few examples. At some point, lazy plagiarism is still plagiarism—especially when it is accompanied by literal plagiarism.
So far, Harvard has stuck by Gay, merely noting that some of the articles would be reworded to satisfy critics. This did not satisfy CNN's Em Steck, who correctly took the school to task for failing to address "her clearest instances of plagiarism." And according to the Times, the university's review of Gay's work was conducted by Harvard Corporation—the university's governing board—rather than the office of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, which would normally handle academic malfeasance.
People are free to conclude that Gay's transgressions are not quite serious enough to merit termination. They are also free to point out that such sloppiness is probably rampant in higher education and certainly under-policed. (At some point, though, this isn't really an excuse for Gay—but rather a broader indictment of the entire project of elite education.)
It's baffling, though, that anyone would think Gay's work is above scrutiny because the people scrutinizing it are, to varying degrees, adversarial. Would this work for any Harvard students credibly accused of plagiarism? Could they go before their review boards and say, "My professor is a bad-faith actor, and, thus, these numerous examples of plagiarism must be ignored"? Obviously not; the idea is ludicrous.
Enter Ben Collins, a senior reporter at NBC News who covers disinformation and extremism. Collins believes that mainstream outlets—presumably CNN and the Times—have been manipulated into covering the Gay plagiarism story by Rufo and company.
If you're a mainstream outlet and you're being gamed this easily by a guy who is laying out his playbook days or months in advance, maybe the problem isn't the right-wing grifters.
Maybe the problem is you. pic.twitter.com/R35wFR0EOG
— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) December 21, 2023
That declaration—"maybe the problem is you"—is fairly telling. Collins evidently thinks that mainstream outlets should not report on the president of Harvard's well-documented plagiarism because he loathes the politics of the people who first identified it. This is a journalist whose specialty is correcting misinformation, mind you.
If Rufo, or Magness, or Sibarium, or anyone else, had misinformed readers about Gay's plagiarism, then the media should correct them. But that's not really what's being debated here. Media outlets are being told to ignore true information because the information is inconvenient. One cannot find a stronger cautionary tale than that.
Beware the gatekeepers of misinformation who pretend that it is somehow in everybody's best interest if accurate information is kept quiet—and who disdain other reporters for breaking ranks.
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She’s proud of her dissertation. #GayPride
It will be a black mark on her record.
She was being niggardly with her citations.
From the dark web.
And not a slave to fashion.
She even plagiarized the Urkel look.
“Talkin about she looked like Janet Jackson. Bitch got out of the car looking more like Freddie Jackson. You knew she was bald headed! You knew she had no damn hair!” -Smokey
That's the black version of the "Karen" hairdo.
More like her desert-ation of standards, amirite?
Robby, you can't criticize a DEI hire. You'll never make it to WaPo with this type of commentary.
Would have been awesome if he pointed that out. Not mad he didn’t, but would have been awesome.
He can always make fruit suchi at home.
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so right. Robbie isn't even going to be the "cool and eccentric" non Ron Paul libertarian invited to their Epstein type parties in DC.
Originality is racist.
Borrowing from one is called plagiarism. Borrowing from many is called research!
Someone posted that only 3 of her writings did not contain plagiarisms. I can't confirm that one way or the other.
She should change her name to Lobachevsky.
Ha
Stealing from one is a tragedy. Stealing from millions is a statistic.
Well, standards and objective honestly are racist (ask the Smithsonian). That certainly included white privilege constructs like originality and attribution.
Rufo has all but declared war on the Ivy League, which has prompted many academics to ignore his claims on grounds that he is acting in bad faith;
Someone needs to declare war on the Ivy League, that is if you believe it's worth saving. Not sure why Christopher Rufo has taken up this mantle, but I would say at this point a long series of continuous, ruthless and targeted attacks is just what the Ivy League needs... again, that is if you think it's worth saving.
The Ivy League saying anyone is acting in bad faith while making bank on loans and endowments and assimilating diverse students into the ideological hegemony is a hilarious fucking joke.
I don't know who exactly Rufo is or what all he's doing but if he really wanted to win and elide the BS about racism, he'd point out that as much as all post-secondary education has become overvalued, the Ivies were generally overvalued to begin with and, at this point, with people like Claudine "Groucho Glasses" Gay at the helm, are nothing but over priced clown colleges.
the Ivies were generally overvalued to begin with and,
I posted a link to the interview in another thread with Matthew Goodwin, and he mentions an author named Chris Bickerton (uk) who opined "The modern elites accrue status, not vertically from their relationships with their voters or constituents, but horizontally with their relationships with other elites."
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nothing but over priced clown colleges.
I’ll plagiarize Dillinger, plagiarizing the Simpsons. “I’ll thank you not to refer to Princeton that way.”
Shit, talking about taking one for the team.
Through no fault of her own, home girl has shifted the media’s focus from the Ivy League condoning calls for genocide on campus, to the plagiarism of one of their diversity hires.
Her superiors will never stop patting themselves on the back for putting her where they did. Brilliant work, chaps, it’s more important to be lucky than make good decisions.
Well, if they had diversity hired harder, she wouldn't have had to plagiarise anything!
Make me the president of a Ivy university.
If I can't ignore gay plagiarism, what about straight plagiarism?
"This is a journalist whose specialty is correcting misinformation"
Alleged specialty.
Alleged journalist.
Don't think of what Gay did as plagiarism, think of it as academic reparations.
So, Gay for pay?
Robby clearly tired of the bullshit arguments has to listen to on "Rising," and venting his frustration over here.
I approve.
Ditto.
although I've enjoyed Rising for a while, Bri's ridiculous stance on this issue was a last straw for me - I unsubscribed and even told YouTube not to recommend their videos any more - I had been on the verge for a while, but this pushed me over the edge
Similarly, NAACP President Derrick Johnson dismissed all criticism of Gay as "political theatrics advancing a White supremacist agenda."
Totally. Only white supremacists expect black people to be capable of competence and academic honesty.
Izzis 1988 all over again, with Bozo Biden copying from classmates? Robbie should stick to talking heading, and drop bipartisan looter hankie-twisting.
One thing's for sure: You'll never be plagiarized, Hank. Who would want to?
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She should be fired, and the doctorate revoked.
She should be exactly where she is: a symbol of Harvard in the 21st century.
This is NBC News 5 days ago
Conservative news outlets alleged that the aide to Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md., appeared in a leaked video showing men having sex in a Senate hearing room.
They wrote that after the aide was named and fired.
Must be a thing at NBC
“This is a journalist whose specialty is correcting misinformation, mind you.”
All this means is he’s a blatant propagandist.
Yes, this!!! All this means is that he’s a doer of the stuff (AND the stuffy stuff!) that they SAID that the OTHER people said that they did to them! In broad daylight, quite clearly, even! No one can dispute this about that, or them, or him, or her, or ANY of the other stuff!!! And if you think that I am NOT being TOTALLY clear about this stuff and stuff, that I say about ALL of them... Then let me REPEAT my VERY clear stance about ALL of this shit! Here! Stuff and stuff is stuffy, except when it is NOT stuffy! And shit and shit is VERY shitty, except when it is NOT shitty! Just HOW many times must I CLEARLY state my messages, until ye thick-skulled moraines finally GET it?!?!?
(Wait, are we talking about Ben Collins here? Or Trump? Or sore-and-dishonest-in-the-cunt, cunt-sore-va-turds in these that them thar comments right here? Can they possibly ALL be dishonest propagandists?)
Fuck off, retard.
What people don't understand is that DEI is basically a religion. They completely believe it.
To them, things like plagiarism and citing sources are just tools of white supremacy to keep people of color down, just like math and proper English.
I'm in college now in my 50s and this DEI stuff is a fundamental principle of social sciences. All cultures are equal, therefore people from certain cultures don't have to operate by Western norms. Plagiarism is just as valid an expression of originality. At least if you are the right POC
Does that apply to honor killings and throwing gay people off rooftops?
But then I suppose consistency is just more white supremacy.
The fundamental problem is government subsidizing schools and science. You get more of what you subsidize, which means all that excess production is of subnormal quality, since markets would never have produced it.
Marginal students, marginal classes, marginal fields, marginal researchers, marginal results.
“…excusing plagiarism at the most elite levels of academia merely because the people calling it out are on the wrong team would constitute a profound betrayal of the very values the academy supposedly values.”
Have you checked the weather lately?! Democrats literally are trying to throw Trump off ballots, White professors being fired for being White, and countless other examples. Lefty’s in this country do not follow their own ‘rules’ and apply them unevenly - everyone sees this including Lefty’s and the say THEY DO NOT CARE. Remember they justify their actions bc they are “punching NAZIS” or “defending MUH DEMOCRACY”.
Fuck them.
Academic malfeasance by Harvard's president deserves media coverage and condemnation, not excuses.
You are assigning academic importance and status to Harvard that it doesn't have anymore.
Academic malfeasance and mediocrity at Harvard are commonplace, and Claudine Gay represents the university well.
"Academic malfeasance and mediocrity at Harvard are commonplace"
I think you'd find the students of Harvard to be more intelligent, diligent, and ambitious than others of a similar age. They'd likely come from wealthier families as well. Some will be driven to make a contribution to human knowledge. They aren't the problem.
The problem is the publish or perish imperative. It ends up in the production of a lot of academic busy work of little value and no interest to any but a tiny sliver of the field. That's not a Harvard problem, it's an everywhere problem.
The problem is as I stated above:
"You get more of what you subsidize, which means all that excess production is of subnormal quality, since markets would never have produced it."
I think one positive thing about American universities is that they do take plagiarism seriously, and the students take it seriously too. At least in comparison to universities in east Asia, where I believe plagiarism is widely practiced and taken for granted. Americans still value, respect and or tolerant original and unorthodox thinking. Trouble is over time, producing original work gets more and more demanding, and narrower and narrower in scope, also subject to the vagaries of fashion, hence, papers on a 500 year historiography on gender bending in Shakespeare's sonnets, or anything to do with climate change if you're into the whole science thing. Contrast this with Asia, where rote learning and canned answers will get you your degree, just fine.
"Marginal students, marginal classes, marginal fields, marginal researchers, marginal results."
I think I only know one guy who went to Harvard, to study math. Brilliant, not mediocre.
Great way to misunderstand. I obviously had your one single friend in mind, not the excess who wouldn't go if it were not for subsidies.
I haven't met all the Harvard students. I've met one and he was brilliant.
Most of them are smart. But at least dozens of them blamed the victims of a terrorist attack, then wondered why employers were rescinding job offers.
I think they know why employers rescinded job offers. It was because of their stance critical to Israel and support for Palestine. 'Antisemitism' in the parlance of the times.
Antisemitism in fact, antisemite.
That's not misunderstanding. It is a combination of abysmal stupidity coupled with blatant dishonesty.
trueman is an arrogant asshole, totally devoid of an reason for arrogance.
Americans still value, respect and or tolerant original and unorthodox thinking.
Harvard doesn't.
"Harvard doesn’t."
Nothing lasts forever. But Harvard is a big place. I'm sure if you're looking for an intellectual challenge, it's there to be found. Still, it seems on the way to sclerosis. This latest episode with donors dictating curriculum is a good sign of the corruption.
When the leader of your school is given a free pass to cheat, then no, the school is not serious any longer.
How do we know she was cheating? Who is to determine whether the reused sentences were adequately reworded? Is adequate rewording in an undergrad student's work inadequate in the work of a grad student?
"the school is not serious any longer.'
I never took it that seriously. It was founded to educate Indians. The administrators quickly found there was more money to be made enrolling the children of the bourgeoisie. As for its commitment to academic excellence, Harvard refused a place at the table for Albert Einstein, solely because, I shit you not, he was Jewish. If you ever took the place seriously, it's only out of your own ignorance.
"How do we know she was cheating?"
Based on HARVARD'S rules, she was. Take up your concern with them.
"Who is to determine whether the reused sentences were adequately reworded?"
Funny how Harvard is not this anal about students. Only for their equity hire President with no actual qualifications for her position.
"If you ever took the place seriously, it’s only out of your own ignorance."
I do not. However, political idiots DO and give them near limitless power. The country has been fucked up heavily largely due to Ivy league institutions.
"Funny how Harvard is not this anal about students. "
It's not funny. It's the American way. One rule for us schlubs, another for the elites.
"“How do we know she was cheating?”
I'm not sure she was cheating. Her inadequate rewording of reused sentences could be down to sloppy editing and inattention.
Check out the New York Post articles on her plagiarism. They show many examples, and it's obvious.
Once upon a time, the University of Virginia pretended to have an honor code, but that went out the window when Teddy Kennedy got caught cheating on a Spanish test.
I wonder if there are any universities left in the USA that would expel a politically connected piece of shit for breaking the rules they claim to have.
-jcr
"I wonder if there are any universities left in the USA that would expel a politically connected piece of shit for breaking the rules they claim to have."
They will probably investigate the matter, not trusting the word of a blogger, and maybe have the president subject herself to self criticism is any fault is found. That may not seem much but it's a lot more than we do for our political leaders. Aren't we always complaining that the current president and the one before are crooked child molesters?
[The students] aren’t the problem.
Oh, yes, they are: they are by and large privileged, entitled radical leftists and know nothing of real life. They will go on to wrecking the economic, legal, and political system of this nation while enriching themselves unfairly, if we let them. That is what Harvard is about.
That’s not a Harvard problem, it’s an everywhere problem.
It's a problem at US academic institutions. US academic institutions aren't "everywhere".
"Oh, yes, they are: they are by and large privileged, entitled radical leftists and know nothing of real life."
You mean they're students? Yes I knew that already.
"US academic institutions aren’t “everywhere”.
There are academic institutions outside the US. They also face the same pressures.
No, this is not the birthday state of affairs. Students used to be ideologically diverse.
And academic institutions outside the US are quite diverse, with entirely different funding and administrative structures.
*historical
"Students used to be ideologically diverse. "
Have you read any Chaucer? An English poet from the middle ages, about 800 years ago. He wrote the Canterbury Tales, a collection of poems about the stories of a group of pilgrims tell each other to while away thee hours. It's in Middle English, so it's just barely understandable to modern readers. We read 'The Miller's Tale' in high school. Which brings me to my point. The university students depicted in the poem are just the same as how you describe the students in the Harvard of today. What you think is new and unique to Harvard, isn't. It's been that way for 800 years or more.
If you think that Nicholas is like modern Harvard students, the question is whether you actually have read Chaucer and whether you know any Harvard students.
"contended that Gay's dissertation reused sentences from other scholars without adequately rewording them; she cites her sources but does not thoroughly paraphrase"
Adequately.... Thoroughly...
These are open to interpretation. Just how much rewording can you do before the meaning of these 'reused sentences' starts to go in directions you don't want.
That's why she should have done what an honest author would have done, quote verbatim and add the citation.
Maybe it's more a case of poor, careless and/or hasty editing rather than dishonesty. I haven't dug into the details. Verbatim and 'adequate rewording' are two different things. One allows for some wiggle room, presumably, while the other doesn't.
What was that number, 47 times?
What did one of her uncited authors say, something about it was plagiarism?
No need to pretend it's in doubt. She's a serial plagiarist, and lazy to boot.
" She’s a serial plagiarist, and lazy to boot."
I don't know enough to pass judgement, and I'm not terribly interested, in any case. I am pointing out that the line between adequately reworded sentences and inadequately reworded sentences may not be as clearly defined as you feel it is.
You stupid shit, trying like hell to justify totally unethical behavior.
And failing.
Maybe it’s more a case of poor, careless and/or hasty editing rather than dishonesty.
Well, given that she has a total of 11 publications, 8 of which have this kind of "editing", that pretty much means she is a piss-poor scholar.
Perhaps she's more interested in climbing the greasy pole of university administration than scholarship. She is the president of Harvard, after all. You don't need scholarship for that, you need the people skills of an administrator or, dare I say, a politician.
You lefties wouldn't give Trump nearly as much deference. Stop pretending.
Talking to mtrueman is a waste of effort. He's just a troll.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I'm trying to point out that the line between adequately reworded sentences and inadequately reworded sentences may not be as clearly defined as you feel it is. If that's unclear, don't be afraid to ask me for clarification. It's evidently a tricky concept to get a handle on.
"Maybe I didn’t make myself clear..."
Entirely too clear; you're a smug, stupid lefty shit attempting to justify unethical behavior.
Fuck off and die.
"You lefties wouldn’t give Trump nearly as much deference."
Trump was never a scholar. No US president came close. Not since Carter, a nuclear engineer, or Nixon, with a decent record of authorship of serious books under his belt. Trump, and the others can't hope to compare. Anything produced under his name was ghost written, sorry to disillusion you.
Well, based on her performance in Congress, she also lacks people skills, she is a bad communicator, and she is a bad politician.
But traditionally, Harvard has required academic excellence of its presidents.
I didn't see her performance, and I doubt I will. Blame lack of interest.
"But traditionally, Harvard has required academic excellence of its presidents."
You mean excellence as a teacher, excellence as a researcher or excellence as an administrator? Very few are excellent at all three.
Ah, I see why you have problems with this entire discussion: you don't understand the term "academic excellence".
I understood the term 'getting a degree.' That was good enough for me.
Well it was evidently not enough for understanding Gay's lack of academic excellence, or Harvard's previous instance that presidents have it.
*insistence
I'm not familiar with her academic output, and wasn't even aware of her existence until a short time ago. I'm pretty sure you're no different in this regard, notwithstanding your claims of understanding academic excellence, however you want to define it.
Short course in arm-waving bullshit, by one of the best bullshitters here:
"I’m not familiar with her academic output, and wasn’t even aware of her existence until a short time ago. I’m pretty sure you’re no different in this regard, notwithstanding your claims of understanding academic excellence, however you want to define it."
I’m not familiar with her academic output, and wasn’t even aware of her existence until a short time ago. I’m pretty sure you’re no different in this regard, notwithstanding your claims of understanding academic excellence, however you want to define it.
You can remedy your ignorance by looking at her bio; it's online.
And, as a matter of fact, I was familiar with her before this scandal. I thought she was a pathetic excuse for an academic and scholar then, hired because of her race, gender, and politics, and her abject failure and the revelations about her plagiarism have simply confirmed my belief.
"You can remedy your ignorance by looking at her bio; it’s online."
I don't care about her bio, or why she was hired. I am pointing out yet again that there is no clear line between adequately reworded reused sentences and inadequately reworded reused sentences. You evidently agree with me and so are reduced to attacking her for her politics, sex and race, which I assume differ from yours. Yawn.
"I don’t care about her bio, or why she was hired. I am pointing out yet again that there is no clear line between adequately reworded reused sentences and inadequately reworded reused sentences."
Translated from lefty shit-pile to English:
"I'm still trying to justify her ethical failures by grasping at straws"
Fuck off and die, asshole.
There is no "adequate rewording" for plagiarism. Rewording can merely hide plagiarism, it doesn't eliminate the guilt. And what Gay did was clearly plagiarism, consistent with her obvious failure as a scholar and professional.
"There is no “adequate rewording” for plagiarism."
Then what's with the 'inadequate' qualification? It seems to imply there is adequate rewording. If any and all rewording was off the table, then there would be no need to qualify the term.
Then what’s with the ‘inadequate’ qualification?
I didn't make such a qualification, some Reason hack did.
Fact is: whenever you use someone else's words or someone else's ideas, you need to cite the source. If you reuse someone else's ideas, it doesn't matter whether you reword the text they used originally to describe them, you still need to cite. If you don't, it's plagiarism.
"I didn’t make such a qualification, some Reason hack did."
I was pointing out that the qualification implied that some amount of rewording was adequate, less, presumably would be inadequate.
In case you missed it the first time around, here is the quote from Reason:
"“contended that Gay’s dissertation reused sentences from other scholars without adequately rewording them; she cites her sources but does not thoroughly paraphrase”"
She does cite her sources, but does not thoroughly paraphrase. According to Reason. I seem to be the only one in the comments who have problems with this formulation.
According to Reason.
As I pointed out: Reason is not a trustworthy source of information. The sooner you realize that, the better.
"Reason is not a trustworthy source of information."
it's a lot more trustworthy than the typical commenter here. And Reason, unlike their commenters, doesn't call me racist, fascist, homophobe, antisemite, misogynist, or any other slur when I find fault with the articles.
"Maybe it’s more a case of poor, careless and/or hasty editing rather than dishonesty. I haven’t dug into the details. Verbatim and ‘adequate rewording’ are two different things. One allows for some wiggle room, presumably, while the other doesn’t."
She approved students being expelled for less.
She should be held to a MUCH higher standard than students.
"She approved students being expelled for less."
Which students? Do they have names?
No. The students don't have names. Just numbers.
Look up the articles. Verbatim quotes are supposed to be in quotes. I've seen better rewording on high school term papers.
Lack of quotes sounds like an editing issue. Though it could be intentional. It's not an issue that I'm ashamed not to care about.
Don’t say Gay…plagiarism
Gaygiarism
That sounds contagious and lethal
Put ourselves behind a "veil of ignorance" and evaluate the material as if it was submitted by a student for credit. Then assess the alleged offenses accordingly.
At some point, though, this isn't really an excuse for Gay—but rather a broader indictment of the entire project of elite education.)
I put it to you, Robby- than isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
"If it came from some other quarter, I might be granting it some credence," he said, referring to the plagiarism accusations. "But not from these people."
If everything is racism, nothing is racism.
Ethics, rules, integrity, and facts are not white supremicism.
The plagiarism... is coming from inside the university!
Time was plagiarism was a serious offence in academia - almost as bad as outright invention. And it is very seldom accidental. But if Harvard wishes to tarnish its own brand by excusing it, let 'em. And Ms Gay does a serious disservice to other women of colour by not stepping down of her own volition.
Collins evidently thinks that mainstream outlets should not report on the president of Harvard's well-documented plagiarism because he loathes the politics of the people who first identified it. This is a journalist whose specialty is correcting misinformation, mind you.
Well of course a 'journalist' that considers themselves a 'misinformation corrector' is almost certainly a self-appointed gate keeper and it's little surprise someone that labels themselves in that way happens to be a rabid partisan. It's literally the Pravda school of journalism.
What is hilarious to me is that Harvard is rich. Rich as fuck, in fact. They tell us all that the rich need to pay their 'fair share' yet somehow that doesn't apply to Harvard in particular.
They give a minority woman the hot seat precisely because they want the appearance of tolerance and acceptance so they won't become victims of the monster they intentionally created. They really couldn't care less about her actual academics or anything else about her beyond her skin color and that she has the right letters after her name, both the (D) and (Ph.D).
"both the (D) and (Ph.D)"
Not bad.
Diversity to those folks is someone who agrees with my politically but doesn't look like me. And makes me feel smug.
"Rufo has all but declared war on the Ivy League."
I don't know where to start! First of all, abuse of words does not become the wordsmiths at Reason, who should know more than anyone else that hyperbole frequently backfires. Secondly, the Ivy League declared culture "war" on American society and culture long, long ago. Finally getting around to fighting back (figuratively speaking) does not constitute declaring war, even figuratively speaking. And finally, using academia's own declared standards to call out their own double standards does not in any way constitute warfare of any kind. And no ... "whataboutism" doesn't qualify here.
"Secondly, the Ivy League declared culture “war” on American society and culture long, long ago."
From the very beginning. Harvard was founded as an institution to education native American Indians, of all people, and over the years have only made things worse by admitting Blacks, Jews, Women, and not only as students, but as faculty.
You might try dealing with the last century and perhaps honest engagement, shit-pile.
That's what racists like you believe, mtrueman.
Believe mtrueman that's like you racists, what.
How's that for the adequate rewording of a reused sentence?
I can help you with that, asshole:
"That’s what racists like you believe, mtrueman."
Gay keeping her job sure smells like institutional racism to me.
Its not okay when you do it, but its okay when Milk-Chocolate Eva Braun does it.
(This comment is plagiarized.)
Trump: The Art of the Deal is a 1987 book credited to Donald J. Trump and journalist Tony Schwartz. Part memoir and part business-advice book, it was the first book credited to Trump,[1] and helped to make him a household name.[2][3] It reached number 1 on The New York Times Best Seller list, stayed there for 13 weeks, and altogether held a position on the list for 48 weeks.[4] Trump cited it as one of his proudest accomplishments and his second-favorite book after the Bible.[5][6]
Schwartz called writing the book his "greatest regret in life, without question," and both he and the book's publisher, Howard Kaminsky, alleged that Trump had played no role in the actual writing of the book. Trump has personally given conflicting accounts on the question of authorship.[4][7]
Ghost writers are common practice for celebrities.
And Trump isn't a university president whose career was based on writing academic papers. Unless you count Trump University.
"Ghost writers are common practice for celebrities."
That doesn't make the practice any less dishonest, claiming authorship to a book written by others. Most celebrities readily acknowledge such books are ghost written, but Trump claimed authorship. Not that this instance of dishonesty is particularly earth shattering, just honesty in a president of the US is more important to Americans that others holding lesser offices. I think it's a terrible tragedy that Americans are forced to choose between grifters like Biden and Trump.
Oh goody! The asshole trueman pitching false equivalence!
Fuck off and die.
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
"Biden earned a Juris Doctor from Syracuse University College of Law in 1968. He ranked 76th in a class of 85 students after failing a course because he plagiarized a law review article for a paper he wrote in his first year at law school.[23] He was admitted to the Delaware bar in 1969.[2]"
As long as Americans see fit to reward the likes of Trump and Biden with the highest office in the land, this plagiarism is going to continue.
"...As long as Americans see fit to reward the likes of Trump and Biden with the highest office in the land..."
One of those is not like the other.
"...this plagiarism is going to continue..."
I'd say it more like if smug, stupid lefty shits like you justify plagiarism, it will continue.
Fuck off and Die.
Oh and should we take bets on whether Gay has kicked any students out of Harvard for plagiarism?
I'm sure there is a verifiable number catalogued somewhere.
Zero.
The President doesn't do the kicking out of students.
From what I understand it is done by a panel, a panel upon which Gay presides.
So you get +1000 internet points for pedantry, but my actual point still stands.
"...On the contrary, excusing plagiarism at the most elite levels of academia merely because the people calling it out are on the wrong team would constitute a profound betrayal of the very values the academy supposedly values. Harvard, which has done very little to address the charges, should take note.
Harvard, I'm sure, has a large ability to ignore its own hypocrisy.
Harvard started out as a Puritan bible-thumper school, basically the Bob Jones University of its day. The one thing they've maintained since that time is their fervent belief that a Harvard degree entitles you to obedience from the masses.
-jcr
I don't find a serious story under all this puffing smoke. I refuse to accept it as a story about the excesses of woke. The apparently-infuriating comments from on-lookers are just annoying and don't turn this alleged atrocity into an important story.
Once upon a time, elite universities cared about their academic reputations.
"universities cared about their academic reputations."
The highest paid faculty members are college football coaches. Over $11 million for a season of less than 10 games.
"Hey, look over there!", trueman.
Fuck off and die.
Lefty ignoramus defending plagiarism; imagine my surprise!
The irony here is too much. I'm sure this race grifter was fully known but she fit the narrative of the left and often Jewish Liberals at Ivy Leagues and the Media. Now the irony is pushing anti-"white" policies at Harvard (really anti Irish, Italian, German..and so on) was just fine but any criticism of Israel and well the gloves come off don't they. Creating this "minorities are oppressed by "white supremacy" certainly created an academic class who were hired and promoted because of their "minority status" but the funny thing is they tend to look at "white folks" all the same along with "white colonialism" including Israel. The BDS movement response by Jewish Liberals at colleges is so telling what this was all really about for decades. Old world greviences...Christian peasants back in the old country. Karma to some extent.
Plagiarized or not, the content is just disgusting, examining whether subsidized housing will help increase the political of her preferred groups to enact even more leftist policies.
Yea but intersectionality. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Stanford fired their president for far less of an academic scandal.
And even if she's 100% innocent of plagiarism, the main job of a university president is to keep the donations coming in, by being media savvy enough to not offend the big donors. She failed at Job One, costing Harvard hundreds of millions, by fumbling a softball question, in front of Congress.
These leftist regime millennial "journalists" have the mind of a toddler. It's embarrassing.
Dear Community,
Addressing allegations of plagiarism by Harvard's President, Claudine Gay, is crucial for upholding academic integrity. Regardless of political affiliations, adherence to Harvard's standards is paramount. It's disconcerting to witness dismissals based on perceived motives, as this undermines the core values of academia. Encouraging transparency and fair scrutiny aligns with the pursuit of knowledge and truth. Let's prioritize accountability over partisanship and ensure that academic standards are upheld uniformly.
Best,
William
But in the end, this is an employee/employer relationship. If her employer is fine with her (knowing what they know), then that's the end of the story.
You really have no idea how Harvard functions, do you? There are literally tens of thousands of people who have legitimate input into how Harvard is run and whether Gay should remain president. And a large percentage of those people have additional financial power and soft powers to make life miserable for Gay and her institution if they don't get what they want.
"if they don’t get what they want."
They want to shut down criticism of Israel and support for Palestine. That's the point. These charges of inadequately rewording of reused sentences are nothing but a diversion from the real issue. Some Harvard students wore checkered scarves, called for a ceasefire and chanted slogans, and Gay failed to denounce them. That's the issue.
"...They want to shut down criticism of Israel and support for Palestine. That’s the point..."
Antisemite shit heard from. Fuck off and die, asshole.
I was commenting on Beaver's incorrect assumption that Harvard functions like a private company in which some kind of "employer" makes decisions about hiring and firing.
And you're right: the majority of people who actually have input on how Harvard operates, meaning its alumni and donors, want Gay's head on a pike for her antisemitism. Absolutely.
Conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism is emotionally satisfying for Israel supporters, that seems clear. It's not working though, as support for Palestine has never been stronger, especially in the West and Muslim countries. It will be Jews everywhere who pay in the end for the intellectual dishonesty and watering down and trivializing a very real threat to them.
Conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism is emotionally satisfying for Israel supporters,
No, it is simply rooted in the fact that Palestinians and the Muslim Brotherhood are not merely anti-Israel, but anti-Semitic and genocidal.
Furthermore, your opinion is irrelevant; what matters is the opinion of the people who actually ultimately call the shots: Harvard alumni and donors.
It’s not working though, as support for Palestine has never been stronger, especially in the West and Muslim countries.
Palestinians would be doing a lot better if morons like you stopped making them empty promises. They are never going to get a state, and they are universally hated across the Muslim world. The only people who like them is deluded Western leftists like you who have been indoctrinated by Fanon and know nothing about history.
I don't think Gay is a member of Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood. Pretending otherwise is undoubtedly emotionally satisfying but intellectually dishonest and playing with fire,
"Palestinians would be doing a lot better if morons like you stopped making them empty promises. "
Why would you want them to do better? For more effective genocide, more vitriolic antisemitism? Why the pretense of wanting what's best for Palestinians? It's dishonest and cowardly. It's OK to hold Palestinians in contempt. No Harvard alumnus is going to lift a finger against you.
"and they are universally hated across the Muslim world"
That seems to be changing. Not one Muslim country had joined Israel in the slaughter of Palestinians. Two militias, one from Yemen and the other from Lebanon, joined the fight on the Palestinian side, and the conflict precipitated unprecedented contacts between Saudi Arabia and Iran, powerful rivals, Shiite and Sunni, brought together over concern for Palestine. On the other hand, Israel relies on America, a crumbling, morally depraved empire eager to wash its hands of the middle east and get on with their war against China.
"They are never going to get a state, and they are universally hated across the Muslim world. "
I'm not a fortune teller but I think that time is not on Israel's side. They've had over 70 years to resolve the issue and it only gets more difficult and costly for everyone. Eventually Israeli foot dragging and intransigence could result in the elimination of Israel. Pakistan already has nuclear weapons, and more Muslim states acquiring them is quite plausible.
I don’t think Gay is a member of Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood
You accused people of conflating "antisemitism" with "anti-Israel" stances. I'm pointing out that you are wrong. Palestinians are not anti-Israel, they are virulently, genocidally anti-Jewish. Gay is protecting support for an antisemitic terrorist group.
Not one Muslim country had joined Israel in the slaughter of Palestinians. Two militias, one from Yemen and the other from Lebanon, joined the fight on the Palestinian side
You really have no idea what's going on, do you. "Muslims" are not one big, unified group; they hate each other. Compared to the thousands that have been killed in Gaza after 10/7, millions have been killed in Muslim-on-Muslim violence over the last few years.
Iran is trying to destroy Israel, and they are using the Houthis, Hezbollah, and the Palestinians as minions in their efforts. That doesn't mean they like them. Keeping Palestinians angry and bottled up serves their interests. Egypt and Jordan used to think the same way, but have come to realize the threat Palestinians pose (Egypt has been fighting the Muslim Brotherhood for years, and Palestinians assassinated both the Jordanian king and prime minister).
I’m not a fortune teller but I think that time is not on Israel’s side.
Time is very much on Israel's side. The Iranian regime will fall sooner or later because the Iranians hate it and because totalitarian fundamentalist regimes have no future (much as you may sympathize with them). Furthermore, the oil-rich monarchies are getting weaker with changing energy policies. The Palestinian objectives for the Middle East are diametrically opposite to those of most governments in the region.
These governments like Israel as a bogeyman to distract from their own failures, but if Israel didn't exist, they would have to create it. It's like Democrats and their "war on poverty": they never seriously intend to win it.
"Palestinians are not anti-Israel, they are virulently, genocidally anti-Jewish. "
We don't condemn Jews for hating Nazis, slaves for hating their masters and so on. If Jews wanted to be loved by Palestinians, the path is clear, just drop the genocidal policies and the apartheid.
"Gay is protecting support for an antisemitic terrorist group."
Gay refused to denounce the students who supported Palestine. I thought you agreed with me on that.
"You really have no idea what’s going on, do you. "
True. I have had Palestinian friends and Jewish friends but I haven't been there and rely on different media to try to keep informed.
"“Muslims” are not one big, unified group; they hate each other."
Muslims have been getting closer together since the Al Aqsa Flood. At least that's what I gather from the Yemen and Lebanon militias joining the fray, and extremely rare shows of unity between Iran and Saudi over the Palestinian cause. However much they hate each other, they evidently hate Israel more. None of them seem at all anxious to get into a shooting war with Israel, but events, sometimes random events beyond control, often force the issue.
"Egypt and Jordan used to think the same way, but have come to realize the threat Palestinians pose "
However much of a threat to these regimes Palestine have posed in the past, it seems the future promises more. Palestine seems set to come out of the current conflict with a greater reputation more polical capital than ever, an inspiration for the mass of Arabs, a people willing to give their lives for freedom.
"The Palestinian objectives for the Middle East are diametrically opposite to those of most governments in the region."
Most of these governments have been steadily moving away from the declining US to the BRICS alignment. Israel is on a road to nowhere. They've been reduced to ridiculous charges that the likes of Gay are terrorists.
We don’t condemn Jews for hating Nazis, slaves for hating their masters and so on. If Jews wanted to be loved by Palestinians, the path is clear, just drop the genocidal policies and the apartheid.
Palestinians have pissed on every UN solution, on every Israeli peace offering, on every proposed two state solution, on every form of self governance. The only solution acceptable to Palestinians is the total ethnic cleansing of Middle Eastern Jews and the establishment of a radical Islamic state.
Most of these governments have been steadily moving away from the declining US to the BRICS alignment.
Most of these governments in the region would collapse without US support. And even if they wouldn't collapse by themselves, the CIA would make them collapse if they don't play ball.
Palestine seems set to come out of the current conflict with a greater reputation more polical capital than ever
It doesn't matter how much political capital these genocidal Islamo-fascists have with people like you or anybody else, because what is killing them is their ideology, their religion, and their culture.
"Palestinians have pissed on every UN solution, on every Israeli peace offering, on every proposed two state solution, on every form of self governance. "
Israel doesn't need a UN soluttion. They are capable of dropping their genocidal and apartheid policies without permission from the UN. The fact that after more than 70 years of occupying Palestine, they keep these policies shows how much they want peace.
"The only solution acceptable to Palestinians is the total ethnic cleansing of Middle Eastern Jews and the establishment of a radical Islamic state. "
It sounds like you've appointed yourself as official mouthpiece. Or again with the Israeli propaganda points. A solution will come with a negotiated political settlement. Your ideas of support for apartheid and genocide so far have proven futile and counter productive as the Al Aqsa Flood shows us.
"Most of these governments in the region would collapse without US support. And even if they wouldn’t collapse by themselves, the CIA would make them collapse if they don’t play ball."
Afghanistan is a counter example. America supported a regime they installed for over 20 years. It collapsed as the last American planes were leaving. Iraq is another. The Saddam regime was overturned only to be replaced by one that is sympathetic to Iran. It's recent history. And your confidence in American influence is bizarre, though I can see Israelis, desperately wanting to keep the illusion that America is all powerful and will always have their back. Just like America will protect Ukraine... oops!
" because what is killing them is their ideology, their religion, and their culture."
Cause of death is hunger, disease and violence. But I understand your impulse to blame it on these airy-fairy abstractions. Intellectual cowardice of a propagandist.
“The only solution acceptable to Palestinians is the total ethnic cleansing of Middle Eastern Jews and the establishment of a radical Islamic state. ”
It sounds like you’ve appointed yourself as official mouthpiece.
Not at all. That has been the explicit position of the Palestinian leadership for a century. They collaborated with Hitler to achieve it. It is what Hamas demands. It is what the vast majority of Palestinians demand when interviewed. It's what the son of the Hamas founder tells us their leadership wants.
Palestinians tried to destroy Kuwait and 300000 of them were expelled for it and sent to Gaza. Palestinians tried to destroy Jordan and murdered the prime minister and were expelled for it from Jordan. Palestinians destroyed Lebanon as a tolerant multi-ethnic country and made life a living hell there. And they have been trying to destroy Egypt. That is the people who make up large portions of Gaza.
Afghanistan is a counter example. America supported a regime they installed for over 20 years.
Afghanistan is an example of what happens when the US withdraws support: the country gets taken over by Islamists. That is what countries like Egypt and Jordan fear most.
Cause of death is hunger, disease and violence.
Yes, and hunger, disease, and violence is what their ideology condemns them to.
Israel doesn’t need a UN soluttion. They are capable of dropping their genocidal and apartheid policies without permission from the UN. The fact that after more than 70 years of occupying Palestine, they keep these policies shows how much they want peace.
Israel isn't "occupying Palestine" nor is there any "apartheid" in Israel. Israel exists within the borders of the territory it was assigned by the UN. It is a modern liberal democracy with 2 million free, wealthy Muslim citizens.
Palestinians haven't been occupied in two decades. Israel gave Palestinians autonomy and the Palestinians repeatedly used their autonomy to declare war and commit mass murder. Palestinians will now be occupied and forcibly reeducated. That's what happens when you violate the NAP.
And we'll have to figure out how to deal with people like you here in the US. We can't strip you of your citizenship and we can't forcibly reeducate you, but institutions and businesses can certainly treat you like the lying antisemitic a--hole you are.
"At some point, though, this isn't really an excuse for Gay—but rather a broader indictment of the entire project of elite education."
If our educational institutions are responsible, isn't it an indictment of our entire American society?
You can write what you want about Claudine Gay, but I'm not going to let you badmouth the United States of America!
I don't know all of the details, but have seen enough to seriously question her qualifications.
I am far less concerned about major and minor plagiarism regarding ideas than I am with educators who publish studies containing falsified data and doctored statistics to support allegedly scientific conclusions.