Giuliani Never Puts Up, but He Never Shuts Up Either
The former Trump lawyer could have avoided a massive defamation verdict by presenting his "definitively clear" evidence of election fraud.

In a recent CNN poll, 71 percent of Republicans said Joe Biden "did not legitimately win enough votes to win the presidency," and 41 percent said there was "solid evidence" to support that conclusion. Last Friday, a federal jury in Washington, D.C., gave those Republicans 148 million reasons to think again.
Former Trump campaign lawyer Rudy Giuliani could have avoided that ruinous defamation verdict if he had "solid evidence" to support his assertion that two Georgia election workers helped Biden steal the presidency. But as usual, Giuliani claimed to have proof of massive election fraud that he inexplicably could not share. Giuliani never puts up, but he never shuts up either.
Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, who are mother and daughter, sued Giuliani in December 2021 because he had repeatedly accused them of introducing and counting thousands of phony absentee ballots at Atlanta's State Farm Arena after the 2020 election. That story had been thoroughly debunked by Georgia election officials, including Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican who supported Donald Trump's reelection.
A March 2023 report from Raffensperger's office reiterated that "all allegations made against Freeman and Moss were unsubstantiated and found to have no merit." But Giuliani seemed completely unfazed by the facts until last July, when he submitted a "nolo contendre stipulation" in an attempt to resolve the lawsuit.
Giuliani conceded that his claims about Freeman and Moss were "defamatory per se." And "to the extent the statements were statements of fact and other wise actionable," he said, "such actionable factual statements were false."
The following month, U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell ruled that, because Giuliani had willfully failed to meet his discovery obligations, he was liable for defamation by default. The jury's task therefore was limited to assessing damages.
During the trial, Giuliani reverted to form. Although his own lawyer said he was "not excusing" Giuliani's "irresponsible" promotion of the baseless allegations against Freeman and Moss, the defendant himself was unrepentant.
"When I testify," Giuliani said outside the courthouse four days before the verdict, "you'll get the whole story, and it will be definitively clear what I said was true." He insisted that "everything I said about them is true." But Giuliani never testified.
After the verdict, Giuliani told reporters he had "no doubt" his defamatory statements about the plaintiffs "were supportable and are supportable today." Unfortunately, he said, "I just did not have an opportunity to present the evidence."
Giuliani has been singing the same tune since November 2020, when he began insisting that Trump had been denied his rightful victory through a combination of deliberately corrupted voting machines and massive dumps of fake Biden ballots like the one that supposedly happened in Atlanta. That conspiracy, he said, was "easily provable," although he was not yet at liberty to divulge all of the evidence.
Somehow the time for presenting that secret proof never arrived. As happened last week, Giuliani repeatedly made claims that he was not prepared to back up in court.
At the Washington, D.C., rally that preceded the Capitol riot by Trump supporters on January 6, 2021, Giuliani said he was about to present "conclusive proof" of machine-facilitated election fraud in Georgia. "I'm willing to stake my reputation," he said. "If we're wrong, we will be made fools of." The very next day, the Trump campaign abandoned the lawsuits that Giuliani had just insisted would vindicate his claims.
The defamation lawsuits that Giuliani faced as a result of those claims gave him yet another chance to substantiate his "easily provable" allegations. Although he passed up that opportunity last week, he still faces lawsuits by Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic, two companies he said had helped rig the election.
Giuliani's televised allegations against Dominion figured prominently in the defamation case that Fox News settled last April by agreeing to pay the company $787.5 million. But surely Giuliani, as the keeper of "conclusive proof," can do better.
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" Never Give Up - Never Surrender!"
- Mathesar
Free speech isn’t about coercing silence.
If there’s an argument that you’re unwilling to consider, you’re a bigot.
Funny. Do you think Mathesar was a bigot?
No, but I suspect that you are.
Considering recognizing and accepting an argument that demonstrates a reality that you’re unable to experience, winning for example, may be considered surrender but it isn’t bigotry.
If you refuse to consider an argument that demonstrates that you’re wrong you are a bigot.
If someone is never wrong, considers and refutes all counter arguments with correctly applied logic and science, they need never accept surrender and they aren’t bigots.
Christmas is the celebration of the story of Christ and Christianity.
The story isn’t that Christ surrendered or was wrong.
The story is how Christ suffered to demonstrate to the world the evil of the Jews who crucified him and how when he rose from the dead he flipped them the bird demonstrating to the lying wastes of skin that the spirit of truth is God and can never be refuted.
Merry Christmas to all.
ok
And happy Sieg heilidays to you too.
Now do some more anti-semitism.
If antisemitism is recognizing and saying what Jews do, semitism must be lying.
That makes sense Kol Nidre boy.
You’re a bigot. You hate Jews, and rave irrationally about them. You’re also a Nazi. Are you from Illinois?
When people repeatedly make the same old discredited accusations without presenting some new evidence, I see absolutely no reason to consider it. Repeating lies isn't an argument, it's making a fool of oneself.
This is truly rich coming from someone who claims he wants to outlaw lying even as he continues to repeat old tired lies. If the irony were any thicker you could hammer it into horseshoes.
You obviously haven’t considered that nobody has ever refuted anything that I’ve said here, ever.
If you ever witnessed such a thing you or anyone else could simply post a link to it and describe exactly how it does. Nobody ever has.
Instead you make your bigoted decisions on faulty science, faulty logic and rhetoric to convince yourself that you and your similarly delusional brethren aren’t actually bigots.
Correctly applied logic and science is the ONLY credible arbiter of truth/reality and bigots like you refuse to use them.
These are the optics when dealing with bigots.
I did.
Never put up! Nolo contendere! - Rudy G
You know who else never shuts up?
Misek?
Now do Adam Schiff. Oh, that’s right, you’re a TDS addled lefty hack, so you actually validated that slander.
I really hope you’re in the first group of journalists against the wall.
Adam Schiff didn't just lose a huge lawsuit...Rudy did
Maybe you can explain the 148M in damages these women suffered and how this isn't more lawfare.
How is Giuliani worse than the pushers of Trump Russia which was a lie?
What about the non violent J6 non violent protestors?
They all have bigger claims than the 2 women nobody knows a name of.
Stop cheering on lawfare dummy.
The explanation of the damages amounts is all laid out in news coverage.
The Trump Russia pushers have evidence. Trump already tried to sue Hillary Clinton on the Russia stuff. The case was thrown out and his lawyers sanctioned.
Yeah, when your Marxist party controls the courts you can get away with all kinds of illegal bullshit. Like that decision out of CO yesterday.
On the plus side, the time when people like you are put to death for their Marxism looks like it’s coming sooner than later.
And again with the Marxist bullshit. Stick to calling out Nazi Misek. It's the only time you make sense.
"What about...?"
Predictable as the tides.
Trump broke a lot of people. None more than him.
True. Trump’s superpower is corrupting people.
That whole De-Regulation committee really corrupted the superpower alright. They've gone completely mad about Trump.
The story is how Christ suffered to demonstrate to the world the evil of the Jews who crucified him and how when he rose from the dead he flipped them the bird demonstrating to the lying wastes of skin that the spirit of truth is God and can never be refuted.
The same Jews who are committing genocide and crimes against humanity in Gaza today.
Jesus was a Jew! THAT is why Rob Misek killed him!!!
The same Jews, huh? So, their claim to be indigenous must be pretty solid.
Not schlomo. He died.
You will too, real soon.
Stop saying 'Jews' doing this and that. Say 'Netanyahu's Likud Israeli govenment'.
Having a Jewish background or religion is not equivalent to having anything to do with Gaza.
Can it bigot.
I’m his kind it is. And Netanyahu is a terrific leader. I wish we had him here instead of Biden.
If they're committing genocide, they're doing an absolutely shit job.
Yeah Sullum don't question why the case was in D.C. when none of the people involved live in D.C.
The acts at issue in the case took place in D.C.
The women didn't count the votes in D.C. and Giuliani didn't make his comments in D.C.
He published a strategic plan with the defamatory statements in D.C.
That, literally, has nothing to do with where you sue for defamation.
Because?
Because it doesn't.
Sweet. I’ll cite to that next time I file a motion for change of venue.
Are you one of our usual leftist faggot cunts? Or are you a new leftist faggot cunt?
One of the named defendants OAN did business in DC and has an office there so obviously there was a choice of venue shopping available, and D.C. and it's juries of no brains, and hatred of white people, was the obvious choice.
"I'm willing to stake my reputation,"
OK, but how about staking something of some value instead?
"If we're wrong, we will be made fools of."
uh huh
Sullum, do you support lawfare? This article seems like you do. Defamation is not a tool used to bankrupt enemies. Please show us the damages these woman suffered that equate to the judgment.
Reason has lost its way.
It is about all the Biden supporters have remaining. The economy is bad, the proxy war in Ukraine is faring poorly, the sanctions are helping to break unipolar, other nations are giving the US the finger, blue city mayors are succumbing to the waves of immigrants (Chicago mayor also now openly complaining), and the liberal arts class of Bideneer politicians are showing their true colors from Buttgieg’s buddy mayor to that staffer in the senate. All but the last are direct consequences of putting Biden in the white house. Polling numbers are showing Biden at just 34% approval.
Sullum et. al. have lawfare and #5 - you are racist.
Considering how you incessantly lie about people, I can see why you'd claim defamation is not a crime.
So the new standard is claiming someone committed a crime is defamation? The problem with this whole thing is the Nazi-Empire won't actually investigate/indict a single thing. Instead it runs around trying to shut-up and prosecute the claimants.
As-if guilt couldn't possibly be written on the wall any more boldly. By this standard; Every person who claimed Russia stole the election for Trump should be auto-sued for defamation of Trump since that case was actually tried and failed.
And that's the mentality of leftards right there. They are but [WE] gangsters of witch-hunting and identity politics and every motivation demonstrated by the uprising of the Germany Nazi's clear down to being the same mentality that praises the ideology - [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism]. The left will turn the USA into Nazi-Germany if allowed to.
My point was that JesseAz thinks defamation is cool because he's a piece of shit who spends half his day lying about people in these comments.
You just defamed Jesse, so I guess you think it's cool too.
It is an interesting question you raise whether an anonymous commentator can ever suffer "defamation".
Truth is an absolute defense to defamation claims.
You’re so in love with him. Unfortunately for you, he’s not into dudes, and isn’t interested in some back alley hobo alcoholic ghetto gimp. No matter how much you wish he was. And you’re liar, not him.
You got it now pussy?
Giuliani Never Puts Up, but He Never Shuts Up Either
Like a lot of "libertarian" journalists we know.
Also like the nutty left-wing (redundant) K00K posters on here.
The Trump Faithful still believe that evidence exists.
Election fraud in 2020 is not about evidence, it is about faith. God appointed Trump President in 2016. Who are the mere mortal voters to defy God in 2020
that is not the argument.
There is no law for democrats. Just whatever you feel like making up on any given day. Nobody believes your bullshit.
There's video of the whole thing.
Video that, in undoctored form, shows they didn’t do what Giuliani claimed they did.
Giuliani's video clip proves election fraud exactly the way a previous video clip proved Nick Sandmann was harassing native Americans.
Pretty much.
And if Giuliani had claimed they were counting ballots behind closed doors?????????
If there's a Georgia election law against that you still have an election crime on your hands now don't you.
...and the video shows no such thing. The only thing used to disprove was *excuses* pitched later after the video was released.
Wrong. The investigation report lays out in detail how Giuliani completely misrepresented the video.
Democrats never give up the con. Even when they’re caught. Amd the drones always back them up.
The report came from a republican-controlled administration.
Contrary to leftardism - truth isn't party specific.
You’re saying Elmer is on the left, apparently.
lol... Point & Case.
Like Hillary Clinton still believes evidence exists that Trump stole the 2016 election from her with Russain collusion even though its been shown the Russians were helping her team put together the fake 'piss-dossier'?
An article of religious faith.
As well as 30% of the opposing team. Only ignoramuses paying party patronage play the "most secure election ever" game.
The evidence is real. Recording of Live TV deleting Trump vote counts, IP Address logs showing foreign connection, thousands of missed votes on recounts, Blatantly obvious E.O. fiat election-law changes (a crime right there), closed-door ballot counting........
You know this -- but your party-patronage ignorance pretends otherwise.
If all that overwhelming evidence is so blatant and real, why did Trump lose every single court case? Why was FOX ordered to pay out the nose for Tucker's lies? Why didn't Giuliani show this evidence in court?
I'll tell you why. Because it was a sore loser grasping at straws. That's why.
There are several dozen election fraud cases still pending you lying drunk pussy. And most of the cases dismissed were due to issues of standing. They weren’t dismissed due evidentiary issues, or proceeded to an unfavorable verdict
You really are a sad ghetto gimp for the democrats, aren’t you pussy?
The Kraken will be released REAL SOON!!
So the geniuses who can see through rigged voting machines and trace IPs to China and forensically analyze results to see how Dominion rigged the machines keep showing up at the wrong courts? How inspiring.
The truth is out there. Agents Scully and Mulder will be releasing it soon. Right after they prove there was a 2nd shooter on the grassy knoll in 1963.
IP logs aren't just (in fact rarely) stored on machines themselves. Interconnect Routers and Gateways store them more-so and as such it should've been one of the easiest ?false? claims to prove by just pulling legitimate IP logs. Yet still today; not a single counter log has been pulled.
Why was hard evidence ignored????
Well that's a very good question. One you should be asking yourself instead of pretending that ignorance is the answer.
The more salient question is why didn't Giuliani present it?
Dang! If only Giuliani had presented that hard evidence when he testified in court! He wouldn't be on the hook for $148 million.
Quite simply - that Giuliani's case didn't include all of it. It only included two poll workers in Georgia. The pool of evidence was presented in cases that got instantly thrown out for not being specific enough.
In a recent CNN poll, 71 percent of Republicans said Joe Biden "did not legitimately win enough votes to win the presidency," and 41 percent said there was "solid evidence" to support that conclusion. Last Friday, a federal jury in Washington, D.C., gave those Republicans 148 million reasons to think again.
Well, certainly if a group of DC residents think so, there's no way Republicans could possibly still object.
If only Giuliani had access to the Reason pages where people like JEsseAz could have provided him with all the evidence he needed...oh wait, they have fuck all as well.
If someone at the centre of the whole fraud claim is unable to provide evidence of it when it most matters, why the fuck should we pay attention to your febrile yet feeble claims? Ans: we shouldn't.
But as, apparently, your whole worldview would collapse if there were no fraud, you remain like Galileo's philosophers, refusing to look through the telescope.
No amount of 'evidence' will ever persuade your bigotry. As-if the results alone weren't evidence enough. The very excuse used to enable mail-in voting was that it matched in-person.
No amount of ‘evidence’ will ever persuade your bigotry.
The problem is that when Giuliani, Trump, Squidney, etc. went to court, in court they produced no evidence that would withstand the barest scrutiny - not even from Trump's own judges. Trump's own SC amicus brief in the Texas case argued not that there was fraud, but that the new processes would make fraud hard to uncover.
Why the absence of evidence in the only venues where evidence can be seriously analysed? Why the absence of evidence from Republican-sanctioned audits?
s-if the results alone weren’t evidence enough.
Ah, because in your opinion Trump must have won because, you know, Trump. The polls had Biden consistently well ahead, and the results were consistent with the polls, albeit showing a slight move to Trump. Or are you going to bring up Trump's rallies? That constituted but a tiny percentage of the total voting electorate.
And the arithmetic stood up - voting population, registrations, turnouts, poll predictions, all taken together were so consistent with a Biden win by the margin he won by that had Trump been declared the winner, that would have been suspicious.
But I guess if your source of info on such matters is JusttheGatewayNewsNutwork you're not going to come across this, only steaming piles of schneeflocken grievance.
More BS of.... Evidence?? We see no evidence...
Do you close your eyes when livestock runs out on the road too thinking if you can't see them they don't exist?
You are absolutely correct. There is no evidence that anybody but Biden won the election. By 8 million popular votes and 76 electoral votes. IOW, a landslide.
You are absolutely correct. There is no evidence that anybody but Biden won the election. By 8 million mystery votes that went entirely contradictory to the in-person votes.
- fixed that for you.
Funny, nothing from you addressing all the illegal 11th hour court deciosm that changed voting laws in swing states without the involvement of the state legislatures.
Can you address that guv’na Shrike?
Why do you keep avoiding the question de jour: why didn't Rudy Giuliani, when given the opportunity which he said he was going to use, present the evidence he claimed to have had?
He had the opportunity (and, indeed, the motive) to settle this once and for all, for all the world to see, and in the end he couldn't be bothered. That's what he thinks of you.
Specifically, which "illegal 11th hour court decisions" affected the outcome enough to change the winner of the election? Do those court decisions account for Biden's 7 million popular vote lead and 76 electoral vote lead, and if so, how?
Yes they do exactly. Because Free-Range mystery ballots that were put into effect is exactly why Biden won. But it is interesting to see the old *excuse* line of, "wouldn't affect the outcome anyways" back in print.
In a sane world, Giuliani could talk all the hot air he wants, but without proof the people would have long discounted his ramblings as nonsense. Why did we stop teaching classical logic & debate in schools ?
Well Said. The insanity is in the prosecuting of claimants as well as just establishing guilt right along with it.
Wait, are you saying that Rudy is the ultimate anti-racist?
Nutty left-wing (redundant) K00Ks long ago took over the school systems. You should ask them.
He could also have avoided the verdict by being a democrat
Or better yet, by testifying on his own behalf and by presenting evidence to support his claims.
How'd that work out for Mr. Pillows. He presented the hard evidence and was hung by his own statements of inference. Anything at all except actually investigating and seeking truth is what this ball game is all about.
SULLUM!
ARE THE WALLS FUCKING CLOSING IN YET OR NOT?
You might consider that all the 'Trump is totes guilty and going to jail' articles you've been writing for the last couple of years were also devoid of clear evidence.
Writing opinion pieces for Reason. Submitting verifiable evidence in court. Those two things are not the same. It's sad you don't know that.
Imagine genuinely believing he did 148 million worth of damage. What a joke.
Yes. The verdict that Giuliani did defame them was 100% correct, but the damages, preposterous. Even a couple of million apiece would strike me as too high. But hey, Americans seem to lurv these jackpot judgments.
Especially when democrats are using the courts to engage in lawfare against their enemies.
He wasn’t held to have done that much in damage. About 30 million or so is the estimate of what it would cost to go clean up the women’s names by scrubbing what he said from everywhere it appears. Some further millions are for emotional damage. But most is punitive, to keep him from defaming them again. Give his behavior since then, the award appears to be nowhere near enough.
Spoken like a true democrat drone. Were you born this stupid and fatuous, or did you come by it over time?
Based on your logic, we ought to be slaughtering your kind as punishment for your Marxist bullshit.
Spoken like someone who has no response to facts other than sputtering rage. So sad.
Here we go again ...
TZM, "Can proof Democrats believe in Marxism be presented?"
- A line by line equivalence.
TZM, "That's not proof; present the proof!"
Wow. You really got me there.
The fucking democrats own the courts, and they’ve convinced themselves that they can control the social justice mob. They very mistakingly believe that pushing the country into a civil war is going to turn out good for their party.
Maybe they’re just psychopaths that want to “get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames”*
* J Morrison
Mr. J Morrison,
The "democrats" don't own anything. Your claiming to speak for them is disingenuous, and most likely inaccurate. There is a civil war of sorts going on, but not the one you are probably suggesting. There is anger and dismay out there for sure, but its source is not who you have been pointed toward.
No, he’s spot on and you are either delusional or a liar. Likely a bit of both. Your kind should start thinking very carefully about the future you want. One where you know your place and are prepared to live in peace with Americans. Or the other one where you push Americans into destroying you to protect our freedoms and rule of law from your kind.
American rights > democrat lives
All you're doing is convincing Democrats that arming themselves is actually a very good idea. Well done!
We beat your punk asses last time you tried a civil war. We'll do it again. But this time, we won't be as forgiving as we were back then.
Republicans won the Civil War FYI.
The bible-thumping conservative authoritarians own the courts, that's how Roe v Wade got killed.
Yes, the authoritarian move to send the abortion issue to each state to decide for itself, or have Congress pass a bill that is signed into law. It's so much less authoritarian to have a group of unelected Justices decide this issue for everyone.
(And I'm pro-choice btw, I just find your claim absurd)
I find it absurd that either State or Fed thinks it gets a say in what I do with my body. Which is does not and never will.
Bible-thumping conservatives --- WROTE Roe v Wade.
Well fortunately that was finally struck down. Unconstitutional bullshit that it was.
The right to be secure in one's person is "Unconstitutional bullshit"?
The right to not be put into involuntary servitude is "Unconstitutional bullshit"?
Pro-Life was founded by the slavery party and has no place in conservative values.
Great job pointing out basic facts. Too bad so many Americans are unable to acknowledge them.
So the facts are ... If [WE] mobsters call it names and make fun of it then it's false??? Seriously - This is 1st grader mentality.
Mockery of Giuliani and anyone that agrees with him is well deserved.
Prosecuting claimants instead of investigating for truth is well deserved?
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