The Paradoxical Freedom of Tradwife TikTok
"It's not really a movement. Nobody is pushing it. People are just living it."

A willowy blonde labors in a rustic bedroom. Her hair is gathered in a single braid that drapes over one shoulder, long enough that the end of it grazes, paintbrush-like, over the swell of her distended belly. She paces to the rhythm of her contractions, hips swaying, hands pressed to her lower back. This isn't her first time giving birth—her other six children dance in and out of frame, blonde like their mother, their feet as bare as the wooden floor—and maybe this is why she's so calm, so smiling, even as her forehead creases with effort and sweat starts to bead on her brow. After 15 seconds, the video cuts: she's squatting in an old-fashioned bathtub now, naked from the waist down, and even with the lights turned low you can see that the water around her is already beginning to turn pink.
"The head's out," says a voice from off camera, and the blonde woman shudders with the effort of her final push. Blood blooms from between her legs, and a wail fills the room: the sound of a newborn infant releasing its first breath.
The blonde lies back, triumphant and exhausted. When a hand reaches out to touch her face, she clasps and kisses it, and that's when you notice that there's a man here, too, crouched in the shadows behind her like a background extra. He doesn't speak, but that's no surprise: the husbands rarely do.
This is a video by Hannah Neeleman, a Mormon housewife who runs the social media account known as "Ballerina Farm." It's buried about 18 months back on her Instagram feed, but there will probably be another one like it soon; as of this writing, Neeleman is pregnant with her eighth child, whose birth will no doubt be documented just like everything else in her life. Indeed, what's most striking about the bathtub video—once you get past the shock of witnessing such an intimate, vulnerable moment in an Instagram reel—is how expected it feels, how perfectly on brand. Although Neeleman is, herself, an unusual character—a Juilliard-trained dancer who abandoned her ballet career in favor of marriage, motherhood, and the occasional trip to Vegas to participate in the Mrs. America Pageant for married beauty queens—the thing that keeps Ballerina Farm's millions of followers glued to their screens is the predictability, the safety, the soothing sense of routine. The appearance of a new baby every two years or so is just one more familiar leitmotif over the daily drumbeat of Neeleman's domestic life: milking cows, mucking stalls, baking bread, and making content from it all.
Ballerina Farm is part of a loose ecosystem of influencers known as tradwives, a portmanteau of "traditional" plus "wife" that describes married heterosexual women who live by ultra-traditional gender norms. With 7.9 million followers on Instagram and another 6.7 million on TikTok, Neeleman is probably the most famous of these posters, although she doesn't actually call herself a tradwife; a hallmark of the term is that it is as likely to be assigned by the audience (or a contemptuous critic) as by the creator herself. But even among women who explicitly identify as tradwives, there's enormous diversity. For some—the ones who quote scripture in their captions and film themselves doing Bible study—the lifestyle is rooted in religious belief. For others, tradwifery seems mostly aesthetic: playing domestic goddess in a 1950s pinup hairstyle, or prancing through a field of wildflowers in a prairie dress. They can be political or not—some are self-identified feminists, while others decry the movement as selling lies that fuel widespread female dissatisfaction—and many are basically indistinguishable from your typical lifestyle influencer in style if not in substance; instead of beauty products or sports bras, they offer a line of natural fiber linens or rustic wooden kitchen utensils. And while the archetypal tradwife sees motherhood as her highest calling, some of the internet's most famous tradwives are not mothers—or even wives, necessarily, as in the case of the peculiar TikTok figure known as the "stay-at-home girlfriend."
All told, the one thing the internet's tradwives have in common isn't how they live but what they represent, culturally and politically: a conspicuous (and sometimes explicit) rebuttal to the feminist ideals of education, career, and financial independence. That doing this is a choice—as tradwives are inclined to point out when they're accused of undermining the entire women's liberation movement one muffin tutorial at a time—makes it all the more galling to those inclined to be galled.
Although the notion that women should eschew employment in favor of domestic pursuits has long been central to various religious orthodoxies, the emergence of the #tradwife is a more recent phenomenon, one that can be linked broadly to the existential malaise of life in the digital age, and specifically to the effects of the coronavirus pandemic. Searches for the word tradwife spiked in early 2020, as members of the laptop class—many of whom had never touched a piece of cookware in their lives—found themselves stuck at home with nowhere to go. The sudden popularity of tradwife content, with its supercuts of women happily scrubbing various kitchen surfaces, folding laundry, or preparing meals from scratch in sunny and spacious kitchens, no doubt has roots in this mass recalibration toward the domestic. Many women, involuntarily catapulted into a world of cooking, cleaning, and childcare, responded by seeking out content that mirrored their new lifestyles—even if they didn't necessarily plan to make the change permanent, and even if they fundamentally disagreed with some of these influencers' wackier assertions about a woman's proper place being in the home and/or subservient to a man.
But the allure of tradwife life is also rooted in more than a passing pandemic fancy for sourdough starters; it speaks to something deeper, ruggedly individualistic and fundamentally American, that has sparked our passions and imagination since the country's founding. It's the fantasy of going west, or going back to the land; of living deliberately like Thoreau or with the resilience of a Steinbeck protagonist. It's a homesteading, subsistence farming, Little-House-on-the-Prairie LARPing kind of life, and in our tech-driven age, there's something subversively seductive about it. At a moment when millennial women are famously suffering from mass burnout or freezing their eggs in order to spend another few years climbing the corporate ladder, tradwives present their lives as a simpler, smaller, entirely self-sufficient alternative—and a fulfilling one, too, in a way that the corporate striver could only dream of.
"Raise your hand if you went to college for a career you thought you wanted only to realize your dream was to stay home and raise your babies, take care of animals, grow a garden and bake bread," reads one representative TikTok caption, overlaid on a video of a woman in a white prairie dress tending a garden in the sunshine. Another, featuring golden-colored footage of a young mother picking apples, baking pies, and canoodling with her cherubic toddler, reads: "This IS my dream job. This is the greatest work I will EVER do." Some of these accounts also boast a fiercely anti-establishment vibe, presenting the tradwife lifestyle as a rejoinder to every nanny-state authoritarian who wants to poke his nose into your kitchen, your bedroom, the nursery where your children sleep; one video declares, "Society wants women out of the house because when a woman doesn't raise her children, the government and the internet does."
@gwenthemilkmaid also to pay double taxes ???? #tradwife #conservativewomen #homeschool #homeschoolmom #unschooling #homesteadlife #simplelife #traditionalvalues
♬ Way of the Triune God (Hallelujah Version) - Tyler Childers
All the things that make tradwife accounts popular also make a certain cohort of media commentators very nervous, spawning a glut of anti-tradwife think pieces: "Tradwife Influencers Represent an Authoritarian, Sexist Ideology," screeches Teen Vogue. "'Tradwives': the new trend for submissive women has a dark heart and history," warns The Guardian. And New York magazine's The Cut asks: "Is Tradwife Content Dangerous, or Just Stupid?"
The consensus answer seems to be that it's both. "#Tradwife content is not cute or inspirational or harmless; it's the handmaiden of the Christian Nationalist agenda," writes cultural critic Anne Helen Petersen, for whom anti-tradwife catastrophizing is a favorite occupation. It's hard to say, though, just what sort of harm the tradwives are supposed to be inflicting, or on whom. There's often a doth-protest-too-much quality to the backlash, which simultaneously lampoons the tradwives as too ridiculous for anyone to take seriously, while also denouncing them as dangerous, destructive, and surreptitiously ideological. (Sidenote: Although much of this criticism can seem overwrought, Ballerina Farm has been directly responsible for one documented death: a rooster who attacked Neeleman's 1-year-old and was subsequently turned into soup.)
But the most devoted critics of tradwives, like Petersen, claim not to be concerned about their influence on women or society at large, but at the same time seem to find their very existence intolerable.
Even so, the anti-tradwife backlash is still more ideologically coherent than the women who inspire it. In a 2022 video posted to her TikTok, Estee Williams, a tradwife who looks like a Marilyn Monroe cosplayer, seems perplexed by the notion that there's anything political about what she's doing: "It's not really a movement," she says. "Nobody is pushing it. People are just living it."
@esteecwilliams What it means to be a Tradwife. #fyp #tradwife #homemaking #housewife #traditional #tradwifecontroversy #womenschoice
Notably, Williams revised that claim about a year later, apparently in response to seeing herself described one time too many as a trojan horse for patriarchy. But even accounting for the radicalizing effects of being made to feel like a persecuted minority, tradwives have not emerged as a significant political or even social coalition. It's not just that running a household—or a hog farm—leaves little time for activist organizing; it's that there's really no clear sense of community, camaraderie, or shared ideology among these women. Tradwives aren't here to make the personal political. They're influencers building a personal brand—and in some cases, doing so for the second or third time. A remarkable number of tradwife content creators are converts from some other online sphere of influence: Estee Williams spent her early twenties as a fitness Instagrammer before she traded spandex and squats for aprons and pearls. Hannah Neeleman—whose husband, Daniel, is the son of multimillionaire former JetBlue CEO David Neeleman—was a jet-setting Mormon mommy blogger before she became Ballerina Farm. Gwen the Milkmaid, another TikTok tradwife, started out as an OnlyFans porn performer.
Even as their content seems rooted in old-school patriarchal values and a return to tradition, it's hard not to notice that these women are masters of the modern-day attention economy in a way that's ultimately far more Girlboss than Mad Men—and their content speaks less to fellow tradwives than to the anxieties of educated, career-driven young women who are staring down decades in the rat race and wondering: Is this all there is? In one viral video about the tradwife discourse, a TikToker named Jaz Melody wryly observes that the yearning to be cared for by a male breadwinner could be just as easily fulfilled by universal basic income: "Women are getting on this app and being like, 'I'm so tired from all this endless labor and minimal reward, this high cost of living! I wish a man would just provide for me!'" she says. "There is a man that should be providing for you. He should be providing for all of us. His name is Joe Biden."
@jazmelodyy The girls are tired (and under paid)
Of course, many of the women who view tradwives with a mix of morbid curiosity and aspirational envy would likely find domestic life to be stifling, too, albeit in a different way— just as many of the sourdough-baking urbanites who fled to rural areas during the pandemic discovered that country living is a lot more boredom-inducing and bug-infested than they might have imagined. But when the feminist fantasy of having it all crashes up against the real-life exhaustion of trying to balance career, marriage, kids, and household—let alone exercise, hobbies, and friendships—the spectacle of a woman actively choosing to do less can be intriguing…or infuriating. This intractable problem, of gender parity in the domestic sphere, has been the subject of countless articles in recent years. Even when men do more housework and more childcare, the mental burden of household management—what writer Jessica Grose describes as "an endless list of organizational tasks that runs through your head like ticker tape"—still tends to fall disproportionately on women. Much of the backlash against tradwives seems to stem from the fact that they offer a solution to this problem; it's just a solution that feminists hate.
The uncomfortable truth is that there is something appealing about the idea, not just of being provided for, but of being comfortably confined. There's a paradoxical freedom in it, a different kind of work-life balance. Open one of these women's Instagram or TikTok feeds and notice the small beautiful spaces, the small beautiful things. The camera stays focused: on the inside of a mixing bowl, on a single stretch of flour-dusted countertop, and of course, on the creator herself. Indeed, it's a curious feature of tradwife content that the husbands who allegedly rule their lives are barely visible. When one appears, it's at the woman's direction: he stands where she tells him, he waves at the camera, he speaks only if she asks him to. Off-camera, he might be the head of the household; on it, he's nothing but a vaguely handsome prop in a story by women, for women, about women. The tradwife is a queen in her castle, a master of her universe. Some might dismiss this as fake empowerment, given that the tradwife's dominion ostensibly ends at her front door. But if this life is a cage, it's a cozy one—and one she built herself.
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More Lefties supporting women's choices and all, it seems.
I have always been dumbfounded by how women who espouse this sort of life style are brutally attacked by those who claim to favor women's empowerment and choice.
The difference is that progressives have the "tell others what to do and how to live" gene baked in.
For me -- these women want to live that way? Fine, whatever. A man wants to think he's a woman? Fine, whatever. A man who thinks he's a woman wants to participate in exclusive women's activities, or to force me to adopt his ideas and language? No.
For the progressive -- they want to tell these women not to live that way because it's not "right," and want to tell women in general to accept dick-and-balls in their locker rooms and sports because "that's a woman," and want to tell me to say "she" because they want to control what comes out of my mouth.
I remember when "live and let live" was a liberal orthodoxy, now it's as conservative as can be.
I remember when “live and let live” was a liberal orthodoxy, now it’s as conservative as can be.
Just as "speaking truth to power" becomes heresy when one of theirs is in power, the reality is, "live and let live" was never liberal orthodoxy. It applies when two guys are butt fucking in the Senate, but if a woman dares to don an apron she is a heretic. The defining characteristic of progressivism is hypocrisy.
nobody is rallying to legally prevent these women from living how they choose to, but trans folk are being legislated out of existence.
cultural criticism is one thing. actual legislative restrictions are entirely another.
trans folk are being legislated out of existence
I am unaware of any laws in the Western world to kill people who think themselves trans.
Where is the law to kill them?
trans folk are being legislated out of existence
This is a falsehood. It's like saying invisible pink unicorns are being legislated out of existence. They didn't and don't exist in the first place and, even if they did, they can't be legislated out of existence, especially with the broad protections for freedom that we already have.
What is, has been, and will be legislated out of existence, if it doesn't entirely collapse of its own accord first, is lying to people and extorting good faith and will to force others to obey or conform to said lies.
Do you mean the "trans genocide" in Florida, that makes schools wait until kids are in 4th grade to start discussing sexuality?
Or laws around the country trying to keep MTF trans athletes out of women's sports, as required for compliance with Title IX and common sense?
'When people have the freedom to choose, they choose wrong, every single time.'
Progressives believe this, with the underlying notion that THEY, of course, always choose right and should be in charge of everyone's choices, and intend to enforce it with everything they've got.
"...the yearning to be cared for by a male breadwinner can be easily replaced by a universal basic income."
Can it? Because that leaves out any human companionship, and the reciprocal doing things to care for another which can give life meaning. There is someone you are important to and they are important to you. Living off of government largesse is just sterile, lonely and inhuman.
Also UBI is literal theft from one to another. It requires those not involved to support the woman not working.
Milton Friedman supported UBI in the form of a negative income tax for the poor. What a bastard.
Youre missing 90% of what he supported regarding it. And he didn't advocate for it. He said it was preferential to other welfare. Maybe read beyond the solitary quotes you get.
Just because I don't post long essays doesn't mean I'm ignorant of what I don't say.
You actually are. Because you don't understand what he actually wanted. You used his name in support of UBI as a good thing. Thats not what he fucking supported. He supported it as a replacement of all other welfare programs. But in total was against welfare. He just thought cash was better for markets IF government chose welfare.
You corrupted his ideas to defend welfare. Lol.
There you go again calling me a liar because I disagree with what you tell me I think.
He didn’t call you a liar, he just pointed out you are a shallow thinker.
Why do want to be a victim so badly?
Sorry dude, But JesseAz is right in this instance. On my reading he actually vehemently opposed UBI plans except the NIT because the NIT still largely rewarded people for trying to improve (i.e., making more money). And he was pretty clear that he only supported the NIT because he believed most governments would have some type of safety net.
You are correct, of course. I just thought saying UBI accomplishes the same thing is missing so much of the point of what the tradwives are advocating.
There is also the difference in incentives for the earner and the societal impact. In a relationship with a person I care about I am incentivized to earn more to care for them better and provide more. In a UBI world it's a race to the bottom as the incentives to do better are purely for me and the harder I work the more the government steals to a point where "why try" or "why work" become default positions for large swaths of society that must be taken care of in a matter that is "fair" as defined by equal outcomes.
Yeah, what a load of shit. If people think that that is the basis for relationships, I feel sorry for them. Is it really so hard to conceive that engaging in a partnership and division of labor and making a life together that way is really important and significant for a lot of people? Do they really think that getting a job working for some company you don't really care about is somehow better than caring for a family and household?
But the most devoted critics of tradwives, like Petersen, claim not to be concerned about their influence on women or society at large, but at the same time seem to find their very existence intolerable.
Typical leftist attitude.
Now contrast that with conservatives who find the very existence of illegals to be intolerable.
Speaking for myself -
Their existence isn't intolerable, it's the sucking of tax dollars that they did not contribute to that is intolerable.
I have the same intolerance for American welfare rats.
Contribute or starve.
Last I checked they paid sales taxes, property taxes by virtue of paying rent, and they stole jobs using fraudulent SSNs resulting in them paying in but not getting anything out. Though that's a lot harder to measure than government welfare numbers.
Weird. Last time i gave you the numbers they cost more than they pay in taxes. Yet you keep retreating to your argument from ignorance.
But keep doing you. Ignoring reality while praising ignorance.
You are defending a group who steals and commits fraud (your words)
Both are NAP violations.
So pointing out the truth equals defending people?
What truth?
If a their pays 100 dollars in taxes from the 10000 they steal, that makes them virtuous?
I'm providing counterpoint to the argument that they only take while paying nothing in. A big headache in these comments is the assumption that if someone provides a point of view, that they necessarily must support and defend that point of view. It's like it's a crime to look at things in different ways.
What a retarded strawman you just made. Find me wone person who claims they don't pay sales taxes. God damn youre a retarded piece of shit.
My wife is a nurse who did a stint in labor and delivery. The same women would give birth over and over, although they looked different, because they used the same card to access healthcare benefits.
So, no, they take more benefits than they pay into the system.
All I want is an orderly system, like every other developed country in the world.
In Chicago, they're paying $9000 of their rent with taxpayer-provided funding.
Look at tribaloat sarc claim others to be tribalist because he has been exposed so often here.
Amazing how you and Jeff always retreat to this ignoring the arguments regarding cost.
How many times have you two been told that if there was no welfare there wouldn't be an issue?
How many times have you two been told that if there was no welfare there wouldn’t be an issue?
I'll let you know when I believe you.
Every one of my arguments is against their negative externalities and costs retard.
I've seen the costs accrued for decades. Now blue states are seeing it.
You have to rely on theories of xenophobia and racism as your views are based on ignorant.
You spend so much of your posts telling me what I think and arguing against it that I don't even know what your actual arguments are. Nor do I care. Because you are a liar and a piece of shit. Toodles!
Every one of my arguments is against their negative externalities and costs
How come you ignore the benefits of immigration?
How come you ignore the criticism of the sources that you cite about the costs of immigration?
How come you focus so overwhelmingly on the costs of welfare borne by immigrants, but spend comparatively little time on the costs of welfare borne by native-born citizens, even though it's native-born citizens who consume the vast majority of all welfare costs?
No one really believes that your 'concern' over immigration is purely economic in nature.
Native-born citizens outnumber illegals. By a lot. Of course they take more overall.
And, in the end, it is not our responsibility to fix the world. We give too much to our own citizens --- why the fuck are we giving a damned thing to non-citizens?
If they need help, they need to not come here.
My wife and I have had the privilege of traveling to several countries over the past 10 years- Italy, Greece, Spain, and Ireland. I have enjoyed them so much I have considered moving upon retirement.
When I look at the rule’s regarding becoming a permanent resident or gaining citizenship, all of them require having a job lined up or proving I have enough money to live without accessing their welfare network. I guess they find illegals intolerable.
I find it difficult to believe those who speak of illegals with contempt when they say "It's all about welfare!" I'm not accusing you of doing that. Those who do know who they are.
I suspect there are many things you find hard to believe.
This seems like accusation by apophasis.
What, the simultaneous "why do you care" and "genocide" attack sure seems to make them seem sane on the climate, race and gender fronts.
My wife worked until she had our first and then stayed home until the youngest was 7. She did all of the "tradwife" shit without complaint.
Then she wanted to get back to work. Being a stay-at-home mother doesn't have to an "all or nothing" endeavor.
When our son was born, after briefly struggling with daycare, my wife gave up her career and we started a small family business. One or the other of us was always there for him. If he wasn't in school he was at work with us. My daughter in law stayed home with the kids until recently with both in middle school. Now she's going back to work. My son works from home so again the kids won't be neglected. I wouldn't describe either of these women as tradwives. But people figure this shit out if they want to bad enough. It's not an either or situation.
I didn't have kids myself, but employed countless orphans in my monocle factory.
Bravo!
Women's life choices - or in this case woman and men making lives together - is a phenomenon which goes beyond Tikety Tok, but I guess it's easier to do media criticism of those Tikety Tok videos than to look at real social trends.
"There is a man that should be providing for you. He should be providing for all of us. His name is Joe Biden."
OMG, is this a joke?
(And what would Jill think?)
It works for Hunter.
How to go from hot to not in 10 seconds.
Indeed. That's a 15-yard personal foul, with ejection.
“There is a man that should be providing for you. He should be providing for all of us. His name is Joe Biden.”
The funny thing (about that line) is that Joe Biden has not contributed to providing anything productive for at least the past 50 years. He's been a teat-sucking grifter since a decade before I was born.
The only way he can 'provide' anything to others is to steal from the productive people and give it to the unproductive.
"The only way he can ‘provide’ anything to others is to steal from the productive people and give it to the unproductive."
Including himself.
Nice of Joe to lecture "the rich" to pay their "fair share" --- but never his own family who have an issue doing so.
It's hard for a leech to provide for other leeches.
undermining the entire women's liberation movement
You know what really undermines the enitre women's liberation movemnet? Letting men play dress up and displace women everywhere. Ironically, the one thing a woman can do that a tranny can't is be a tradwife.
Yeah, obliterating the very existence of women seems a bit misogynistic. I guess thinking that way makes me a "Nazi", which seems the all purpose label to marginalize people.
Well women also make human beings with their bodies, something trannys can't do.
What I don't understand is the "putting your whole life on the internet" thing. I don't understand the appeal of having thousands of idiots on the internet watch you give birth.
When you have 7M followers, it's a narcissistic paycheck. Same as Hollywood actors.
Does tictok have banner ads or something? Or just from endorsements?
Not sure about Tik Tok, but IG, FB, and YouTube monetize based on views.
Unless you're Russel Brand.
Anyone with a big following on TikTok has IG and other platforms too, and they tend to make stupid money. They monetize in many ways beyond just getting paid by the platforms themselves.
I was thinking the trad wives in this article were a shade hotter than typical trad wives.
Don't they make money when they get enough followers?
“How much does TikTok pay per view? Top creators have revealed that TikTok pays between $0.02 and $0.04 per 1,000 views through the Creator Fund program. If you do the math, that's $20 to $40 for a million views.”
Of course, there's never just one video.
If you have a million views per video (average) and post just 100 videos per month, that's $2000-4000 per month. That's a decent living. And that's just TikTok videos.
I grew up in a rural farming community with real tradwives. They didn't look like this. Sometimes it was hard to tell the cows from the tradwives.
Which bring up the notion that these ladies aren't tradwives at all. They're entrepreneurs. They happen to be beautiful. They take time to get dolled up, set up a camera and take video. They likely come up with camera worthy project ideas. They are editing and posting and self promoting. They are likely making 6 figures. Good for them.
I was about to say . . . for the few that make it big on social media, are they even tradwives? A big following can easily be monetized in many ways, people commenting here would be shocked how lucrative it is if you have a lot of followers and regular content. The point is, these few are making lots of money and the husband probably even quit his job.
I grew up in a rural farming community too. There is a difference between the suburban SUV makeup mom "tradwife" and the tradwife who cooks 3 homemade meals from scratch nearly every day - and, in some cases, does homeschooling, gardening, canning, and/or raising farm animals, etc. too.
Either way, there are a lot of tradwives who aren't social media stars that "look like this" actually (and a lot that don't) but the latter type won't be caked in makeup every day, which is preferable imo, but a lot of men are bamboozled by the war paint and other visual tricks.
This is pretty much it. Hot chicks found a trending niche to be hot in.
It's OnlyFans meets Little House on the Prairie!
🙂
😉
Seriously, this is definitely better than using children as a welfare grift. And judging from the prices I've seen in mail-order catalogs for farm supplies, it takes a rich person to live poor.
Money, dear boy.
And ego-stroking. More powerful than sex.
Just imagine, in 4023, not only will Kat Rosenfield XVth be telling everyone how it was central to religious orthodoxies of the time, but Randy Sax will be defending her as though it were some sort of intelligent or coherent idea.
Randy Sax XXth, that is.
(Goddamned edit button).
If your writing an article about manufactured bs from tic tok and never once mention the fact that it's a ccp psy opp, then you need to be fired from your job.
Why would China want the US to increase its birth rate? Or promote traditional values?
How on earth could they not realize that the boogeyman is behind all of this!?
Although the notion that women should eschew employment in favor of domestic pursuits has long been central to various religious orthodoxies,
I know learning is harder, Kat, but female primates, today, forgo hunting and defense because of the complications of pregnancy, childbirth, and rearing. And, unlike primates, human babies take longer to reach physical/psychological maturity to the point where births and childhoods do frequently overlap. The idea that its a strictly religiously-motivated is nothing but a demonstration of the modern women and leftist motivations to retard themselves about what it already known about themselves and the world around them.
To wit: The Theory That Men Evolved to Hunt and Women Evolved to Gather Is Wrong
The article makes the above assertion by starting off with the fallacy that somebody, somewhere said, "Women *never* hunt/hunted." It then goes on to make a multitude of factual and inferential biochemical (most personally agitating to this biochemist*), zoological, and anthropological errors, even contravening it's own narrative.
*The article effectively lays out that, analogously women have a 3L engine that gets 15 mpg and a 10 gal. fuel tank and, because they get 50 mpg, they're better long haul truckers than the men who are powered by an inline V-6 diesel with 50 gal. tanks that only get 5-10 mpg.
"The idea that its a strictly religiously-motivated..."
I don't think Kat was making this argument.
Exactly. It's like observing that some religions oppose drinking alcohol doesn't mean that is the only reason someone who oppose drinking alcohol.
OK, so would you say that avoiding caffeine or alcohol is central to Mormon or Buddhist orthodoxy or would you say physical purity and mental clarity is central to the orthodoxy and the eschewing of caffeine and alcohol is literally secondary?
Further, "various religious orthodoxies" contain prescriptions that women should support their families but doesn't forbid them from working outside the home, rather the opposite or, relatively in a manner identical to men. There is generally only one large religious orthodoxy that generally contains specific prescriptions to women to wear dresses and stay at home. The rest are, as indicated, socially derived from underlying biological imperatives.
The assertion that women should eschew employment because its central to various religious orthodoxies is, borrowing the analogy again, similar to saying, for ideological reasons, various automakers have forced manual transmission vehicles off of roadways.
“The idea that its a strictly religiously-motivated…”
I don’t think Kat was making this argument.
Unfortunately, the argument is made far and wide by pretty much the total sum of the chattering classes. google: Pay gap.
Kat may not quite be making that argument, but she's feeling around the edges of it.
"Amen and a-woman*"
*Let's agree to disagree that this was not a political statement, just a harmless pun, but not a humorous pun. An honorary pun meant to recognize the record number of women in positions of power today, and not a slight of religious tradition and Western language all the way back through Latin and Greek to the original Hebrew. Also, it's totally got nothing to do with currying favor politically with any gender weirdo constituents or AWFL governing-persons who reworked a bunch of gendered language in the House rules, also for no apparent reason at all, the day prior.
Religions don't promote traditional values to keep women down. Religions promote traditional values because (most) religions are based on traditional values, having been started long ago.
men who are powered by an inline V-6 diesel
Do I have to sat it?
Say it. Goddamn edit button.
Edit button? What edit button?
I have the edit button, but the "save changes" button doesn't save changes.
I've noticed that too.
Editing power, like free will, is apparently an illusion too.
Goddamn edit button.
Yeah, I jumped between 15 mpg and 50 mpg too.
Maybe it's one of those carbureted, flat head, overhead cam inline V6's.
LOL
I'll say it. An inline engine cannot be a V engine.
I could admit to the mistake, acknowledge that I haven't (re-)adjusted (back) to the lack of an edit function.
*Or...*
I could pretend that I was just trying to preserve the retarded, self-conflicted feminist analogy.
Does anyone seriously think a traditional wife (tradwife) is spending her time posting the mundane detail of their lives on tik tok? Not a chance.
This IS my dream job. This is the greatest work I will EVER do.
Many women feel that way. They are not wrong for feeling the way that they do.
Just remember this quote is an interesting summation of Feminism's idea of women's liberty:
"No woman should be authorized to stay home to raise her children. Women should not be allowed to have that choice, because if there is such a choice, too many women will choose it." - Simone de Beauvoir
Tradwives are an undermining of feminist ideology.
Shorter version: "Do as I say, peons."
I saw one a dees vidyas where the lady was all dolled up, making dinner for the camera and her husband comes into frame looking like a schlub.
Like, dude, your wife is either doing this for real - in which case make a fucking effort man - or you're ruining her fucking grift, stay out of sight loser.
Really depends on who her target audience is though. If it's women then sure but if it's blue collar men dreaming of The Honeymooners then he's on-point.
Even Ralph Kramden made an effort.
Yeah but one of these days TO THE MOON!
If you are addicted to social media, that is not freedom.
Making content is more employment than addiction.
My wife is a millennial and a "tradwife" though she's never heard of that term nor is she on TikTok.
But I wanted to note something I was just thinking about -- the tax code penalizes single income couples!
With the 401k being tied to employers (always a bad idea) and individual incomes, a SAHM cannot have a 401k. This is unlike IRAs, where (if your income is not too high) the earning spouse can fund the other spouse's IRA and reduce taxable income by the amount of the contribution.
So for example:
A) Husband and wife each earn 100k working full time. They can each contribute $22,500 (in 2023) to 401k for a total of $45,000.
B) Husband earns 200k while wife raises children and works in the home. They can only contribute $22,500 to 401k, half as much as the dual income couple.
Bad deal.
Your tax burden is smaller though. Invest in other things besides a 401K. There is no reason to limit your wealth building to a government restriction. Yes, a 401k allows you to invest with pre-tax dollars but you can still invest your annual tax savings into another investment medium. This is also a choice you are making, an admirable one I believe by the way, that said you are free to change your way of life.
The tax code also punishes single earners that are not married. No one escapes. haha
Thanks and good points.
Does married couple B) have a lower tax burden than A) though? Can you explain?
Actually, I'm wrong. Your tax burden is higher because of the 'taxable income' at the end of the year - Couple A has a lower overall taxable income after the 401k deductions. All things being equal of course.
One person can contribute to an IRA. But for some reason, the IRA annual limit is far lower than the 401k annual limit.
>>Even as their content seems rooted in old-school patriarchal values and a return to tradition
maybe think about it in old-school matriarchal values and tradition?
Yeah the whole patriarchy thing strikes me as a myth. I've never known a woman who wasn't in charge of the homestead if she wanted to be. And that's from my old country grandmas to my 11 year old granddaughter. Well my granddaughter isn't it charge yet. But she soon will be. She's sure got me under her spell.
also I thought this was going to be about wife trading and entirely more interesting.
"ultra traditional gender norms"
That would be the standard lives of my mother and her entire generation. Notice not traditional, but ULTRA traditional. Well that certainly is scary. I wonder how millions of women raising boomers ever survived. And went to their graves satisfied that they had lived good lives. I don't expect to find this drivel at Reason, but if that's how libertarians have turned out, well there you go.
Seems less "ultra-traditional" and more a modern caricature of a traditional wife from the 50s or something.
Is real life more like Father Knows Best or The Simpsons?
The Munsters.
Married with Children
Ironically all those women in family sitcoms were portrayed by real life working women.
The standard sneer was that real life wasn't like Ozzie and Harriet. All the Nelsons worked including the kids and if anyone ever asks what Ozzie did he was a successful radio and television producer.
What is "paradoxical" about this sort of freedom? How is any person who is choosing to live how they want anything other than freedom to begin with?
The militant feminists are not even remotely about freedom or choice. They represent a thinly disguised authoritarian social movement as a political arm not of equal opportunity for women but, rather, substituting central social authority for the husbands under patriarchy.
Much of the backlash against tradwives seems to stem from the fact that they offer a solution to this problem; it's just a solution that feminists hate.
this is the most accurate summation of the issue. the discussion is over.
Ultimately it IS about lifestyle choice. Just as there has always been a huge diversity in personalities and preferences, there has been an almost unbroken trend in American society towards creating spaces for that diversity. I find it ironic that that backlash against diversity is mostly from the culture war partisan segment that has always maintained "diversity" as their chief slogan and mantra. But, more importantly, some of the space created by advances in wealth and technology has been time-related. The article makes the point that the tradwives highlighted didn't start out to be tradwives. It highlights the trend away from the traditional "thirty years in the same firm and a gold watch at retirement" towards the more recent norm of at least eight clearly defined career switches per lifetime and no identifiable "retirement" at all! Long live liberty, diversity and wealth!
Really, when you think about it, these aren't actually Trade ices, but modern Information Age wives doing traditional things online for monetization. Vastly different from home-based "piece-workers" and wives who baby-sat or took in laundry for pay in times past.
"Trade ices" not "Trade ices."
Goddamn Reason! And after hitting us up for money!
"TradWives" fuckers!
So, she birthed six children just so she could monetize them? Really?
"stay-at-home girlfriend."
Yeah, no lol
"This intractable problem, of gender parity in the domestic sphere ..."
ALL human problems are intractable. ALL of our choices represent tradeoffs and compromises. A very few of seem to be able to "have it all" effortlessly and thus become aspirational celebrities. But also note that the world's celebrities also seem to have as many serious problems and personal crises as the rest of us (if not more!) although their problems are under the media microscope more and we tend to hear about it constantly even if we don't really want to know about some movie star's breakup with the latest love of his or her or its life. Add to that the almost unavoidable shift in our preferences at different stages in our lives and accumulation of experiences and you have burnout and moves to the country and temporary boredom and all the other landmarks of a well-spent and sometimes satisfying life. And then we all end up dying anyway ...
As someone who has always tried my best to find out what chores I can help with in the "domestic sphere" I also have to point out that most of those chores are the preference of the domestic goddesses we're trying to help out. If I choose to vacuum the carpets more often than I think they need it, it's not only because my partner appreciates it, it also satisfies my own sense of self-worth, being helpful but also making myself more self-disciplined - a value I hold and a goal for myself.
All I know is bitches are unhappy. We men woke up in the 60s, after a millennia of mistreated bitches and said, "Whoa man... maybe we've been doing it wrong." In the decades following that, bitches be increasingly less happy.
Make of that what you will.
Chicks. Whadayagonnado.
The answer is actually simpler than it looks: FIRST you have to free over half of the people to make their own choices; THEN they can learn from experience (or not) and decide what THEY want to do and what THEIR preferences are and make some changes.
A REAL "tradwife" is too busy on maternity leave to post the morning linx and tik tok the fuck out of it.
Followup question: If Feminists actually believe that women were hunting just as effectively as the men were, why do they push for Maternity leave? Why does it exist as a concept in feminist orthodoxy? They should be fighting against maternity leave. That is... unless... Whoa...
Ding! Ding! Ding!
For most women, the most fufilling thing they can ever do, is becoming mothers.
This will make Feminazis heads explode, but it’s the Truth.
If Feminists actually believe that women were hunting just as effectively as the men were, why do they push for Maternity leave?
The whole thing blows my mind in an anger-inducing fashion. And not anger-inducing at women or vaginas but anger-inducing at the iterative degree of stupidity, seemingly willfully refutation of basic fact. It's like two women trying to outdo Dumb and Dumber by making a movie called Dumb and Dumbess that's really just more sad than Ghostbusters 2016:
So, Jesus Fuck, are you saying that women *WITH BOWS AND NETS AND FISHING HOOKS* were *STILL* so terrible that the men *STILL* had to go out and develop thrower's elbow or are you saying the men went out and developed thrower's elbow for sport while the women sat on the beach with fishing poles and lines in the water?
TBH, I actually feel a bit of sympathy for the trannies in the "If they can get away with being *that* delusional, why can't we too?"
My ancestors invented the bow and arrow, and somehow the patents expired long ago, so I don't get any residual checks.
The Pre-Christian Religious Orthodox Patriarchy strikes again!
you are owed reparations
even in this fairly decent piece defending the agency and intelligence of self-directed "trad wives", the campus feminist indoctrination and comprehensive world view creeps in:
"The uncomfortable truth is that there is something appealing about the idea, not just of being provided for, but of being comfortably confined."
Confined? how are these women confined? In one breath you recognize that not only choose to forego girlboss office life but gleefully do so. How are they then considered to be confined doing what they love?
There's a paradoxical freedom in it, a different kind of work-life balance.
What's the paradox exactly?
Some might dismiss this as fake empowerment, given that the tradwife's dominion ostensibly ends at her front door.
Terms like 'dominion' betray a fundamental campus feminist way of thinking about all this. Even so, her dominion doesnt necessarily end at her front door. what does that even mean? Do you really think she is a powerless helpless flower in any other context but the kitchen? That's ridiculous.
But if this life is a cage, it's a cozy one—and one she built herself.
Good god, how is this life a cage in any way shape or form?
Only possible to see this as a cage when seen through the campus feminist lens of "you go girlboss with your 90 hour workweek at the lawfirm fighting the patriarchy" as the only way for a woman to achieve satisfaction and value in modern life.
Maybe I'm being too generous but I'm not sure Kat is endorsing any of these ideas. Maybe just tossing out possible perceptions.
People (men and women) are more confined at work, actually.
I had never heard of this tradwife thing until today but I enjoyed the article. And at the risk of showing a gender preference I vote for more Kat and Liz and less Eric and Jacob. A lot less Jacob.
No one has to make these women do these things because the thing that would make the most women the most fulfilled is to have children and be mothers. This drives the Leftist Feminazi types insane, because it goes against their stated agenda of destroying the traditional nuclear family.
Wonder what this Venn diagram looks like:
1. People that condemn the tradwife’s “fake empowerment”.
2. People that zealously “followed the science”.
IOW, if you freely choose security over freedom, you’re wrong. But if I demand everyone choose “security” over freedom, I’m right.
Here is perhaps a more realistic trad wife: https://www.tiktok.com/@applesauceandadhd/video/7304060446791847199
Not as fun to look at, but she's pretty great.
Personally, I would describe that amount of garlic as "less than aggressive".
Fem-o-nists will gladly endorse tradwives as soon as a tranny declares he is one.
8 kids birthed at home is a VERY trad wife.
No wonder the Progressives want more illegal immigration -- there's no way they can keep up with that pace.
I kind of wonder how progressives and conservatives would respond to men who did the things these tradwives do. Not necessarily dressing and otherwise acting feminine, but staying at home to do full time childcare and housework while their wife works, while simultaneously stating that doing so is far more fulfilling than any career. I think their positions would reverse, conservatives would worry about a "crisis of masculinity," while liberals would probably praise the men who did this.
People should be consistent. Let's praise women who find fulfillment being tradwives, and men who find fulfillment acting similarly.
Housewives that espouse the joys of leaving the rat race are relying on their husbands to dedicate themselves to it enough to support the entire family. It's fine if both parties want it and know what's expected of them, but this entire conversation is framed through the lens of what the wife wants. Which seems to the dominant perspective of so much relationship advice - trying to fit your partner around your own self-actualisation and loftier ideas of what a man or woman should be.
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220, 221, whatever it takes.
Ahh. You must be rewiring the kitchen.
(H/T to Michael Keaton)
The 900 collars, Ukraine and citizenship bits are remarkably specific and targeted to this site.
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