The Future Is Florida
The siren song of the Sunshine State is the promise of freedom tinged with the idea of escape.

Florida is a land of attainable possibilities. It's sunny, it's warm, there's a magic castle anyone can visit, there's no income tax, and there's enough beach for everyone. It lacks the pristine glamour of California or Hawaii, but it's cheaper and more accessible in nearly every sense. What it lacks in polish, it makes up for in unpredictability. It's a paved paradise—with plenty of parking lots.
As a child, I was shipped off to Jacksonville for a couple of weeks every summer to enjoy the kind of oversugared, under-structured time that happens when you're left in the care of out-of-practice grandparents. I'd stretch out on a patch of pinky-beige carpeting under the skylight in their house reading age-inappropriate Stephen King novels and waiting for the afternoon deluge, then head outside to watch the sun force steam up from the wet pavement. Sometimes we'd drive to see the Weeki Wachee mermaids.
Those grandparents moved to Florida in 1970 for economic opportunity and a fresh start, and they got what they came for. By the time I knew him, my grandfather's American Dream consisted of playing Nintendo golf in a La-Z-Boy while gazing out the window at an actual golf course. They rarely went to the beach, but they liked the idea that they could.
During the COVID-19 pandemic, more than 2 million people made the same pilgrimage, for much the same reasons. They fled the roped-off playgrounds of New York City, the shuttered schools of California, the cramped and chilly apartments of Chicago, and the masked streets of New Jersey. They didn't necessarily want to go to the beach either, but they desperately wanted to know that they could.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis—who remains in the race for the GOP presidential nomination at press time, albeit with declining prospects—can rightly boast about the attractions his state offered at a terrible moment in history, and take real credit for resisting what turned out to be largely ineffective closures and mandates. But most of what is magical about Florida existed long before DeSantis pulled on his boots. The siren song of the Sunshine State is the promise of freedom tinged with the idea of escape—most perfectly channeled by the late Jimmy Buffett.
Florida was not, and is not, a libertarian utopia, though the lack of income tax is pretty nice. DeSantis has chosen to focus his campaign on his more authoritarian culture war forays, including his punitive approach to Disney's corporate political speech, his administration's meddling in school libraries and curriculum, and his harsh treatment of immigrants.
As Floridians never tire of pointing out, there are many different cultures contained within the state. In this special Florida issue of Reason, we explore some of the state's experiments in living. From Zora Neale Hurston's black hometown of Eatonville to the infamous senior-centered community of The Villages to the nearly ungovernable Keys, Floridians love to carve out a little spot to try something new.
"We're the only state with mermaids on the state government payroll," Florida newsman Craig Pittman told Reason's C.J. Ciaramella—a Florida Man himself—for one story. "The state employs python hunters. We're the only state where we actually made a hippo an official citizen of the state so he could stay. That's just not something you see anywhere else."
I came of political age in 2000, the era when Florida was the butt of an extremely unfunny national joke about hanging chads, those tiny pieces of punched-out paper dangling off a few Floridian ballots. Those little punchouts ended up deciding which president would deal with 9/11. In an astonishing tale of redemption, Florida has learned from its mistakes and now ranks among the nation's speediest and most competent vote counters.
In 2020, Reason proposed that columnist and funnyman Dave Barry run for office on the slogan "Florida Man for President." In 2024, we're back for another election-year look at the Sunshine State and a reconsideration of the origins and cultural power of the Florida Man.
Is there something about Florida, pre- and post-COVID, that attracts people of a certain temperament? Is there something in the water that transforms them once they are there? (Florida was once the rumored location of the Fountain of Youth.) Or is it simply the state's Sunshine Law that allows outsiders to witness humanity in all of its glory?
Even if DeSantis washes out (and Barry refuses to serve), there's a good chance a Florida Man will be on the ballot. Former President Donald Trump is in the end stages of his transformation from a New York Man to a Florida Man, with Mar-a-Lago serving as a place to keep his boxes.
Like my grandparents before him, COVID refugees after him, and immigrants forever, perhaps he migrated south for economic opportunity, a fresh start—and proximity to a golf course.
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I was a big supporter of DeSantis when he got the head of health in the state to open up the schools and oppose clot shot vaxxxine mandates, but he lost me when he told Bibi to "finish the job" and wipe out Gaza. DeSantis has blood on his hands. I'll vote for Dr. Shiva, whichever party he runs for. He is the ONLY candidate that has the balls to criticize Israel's control of the District of Corruption, banking, the fake media, the search engines, publishing, etc. We need to rid ourselves of these leeches who send our sons to fight in the Wars of Terror to protect their terrorist apartheid state, and who suck out billions in military aid each year.
"...but he lost me when he told Bibi to “finish the job” and wipe out Gaza. DeSantis has blood on his hands..."
Didn't lose much but an antisemitic ignoramus.
" . . . the pristine glamour of California . . . "
Say what?
" . . . his harsh treatment of immigrants."
That's ILLEGAL immigrants. You want to talk to some legal
immigrants and get your story straight.
"his punitive approach to Disney's corporate political speech"
You know the truth, why not print it instead of lies?
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In fact, Disney’s authority became so out of control that the company “attained the power to, among other exceptional privileges, create and direct not just its own fire and police departments, but also, if it chose, construct a nuclear power plant,” according to the report.
Narrator voice: But Disney, a company full of woke political pilots and with zero political fuel did not, in fact, build a nuclear reactor.
Freedom only for those who agree with the Governor. Government control of privately owned businesses was literally Fascism under Mussolini.
R I G H T ... one example among a plethora of freedoms. What state do you argue is better? Can't be more than a couple even to challenge FL.
It is chicken-shit, individual examples of bias like this that damn the Libertarian party.
charlie, do you post here to make clear how stupid lefty shits are, or ar you so stupid you don't realize how stupid you are?
I just call them illegals. Since they aren’t really ‘immigrating’ any more than squatters are tenants.
Florida is an interesting state with 64% of it's population being non-native. To state that Florida did not impose closures and that such closures were ineffective is not supported by either history or science. DeSantis closed schools, imposed a stay-at-home order to Floridians, and closed non-residential businesses including restaurants and bars and these policies among others are believed to have reduced Florida's COVID rates. As for the international effectiveness of closures, an study of 198 countries reporting cases of COVID found that school closures were the main determinant of lower COVID infections.
If all that shit worked so well, why did we have a 3 year pandemic?
Because pandemics are huge and nothing that big ends quickly? What, you think that if we'd just ignored it, Covid would have gone away?
What, you think that if we’d just ignored it, Covid would have gone away?
Yes, and it did.
And where have you been for 35 years?
Dummy #2.
From dummy #35 or so, I see.
Exactly, just that way anyone with a brain knew it would 6 months in. It was never going away, and it isn't now. Vaccinations were nothing of the sort, and it is with us forever. We could have stopped the charade any time.
You are too dumb to illicit a reasonable response.
From someone deserving of: "Fuck off and die, asshole".
You mean in MA or DC ... or Sweden? Dumbass!
And staying indoors all the time would greatly lower the numbers of sun burns and insect bites. I say, go for it.
Go on, pull the other one.
Just about every state ordered stay at home orders and closed schools. Desantis reopened them and loosened restrictions earlier. That's the point.
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https://www.nber.org/papers/w29928
Do lefty shits lie because they are stupid or because they hope the rest of us are?
Florida Man / STEVE SMITH 2024
Move to Florida? Everyone died (twice) from COVID, Newsom told me the taxes are extra-high, and they keep gay people in prison camps.
Nuh-uh.
Properly taxes in Florida are multiples of those in California. Then there are all those Homeowners Associations.
Seinfeld famously lampooned the condo association at his parent’s retirement home.
You are a complete lying sack of shit ... or more likely ... an idiot.
https://moverdb.com/us-taxes/california-vs-florida-taxes/
Beat me to it, but it's worth beating lefty shits like that with more than one baseball bat.
charlie, do you post here to show how abysmally stupid lefty shits are, or because you're too stupid to know how stupid you are?
https://www.rocketmortgage.com/learn/property-taxes-by-state
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Fuck off and die.
That’s fine, just provided they don’t sponge off the Federal government as the cost of natural disasters rises. Even if you don’t think climate change is happening or will make a difference, a rising population, particularly close to the water – where lots of people want to be – will inevitably lead to greater losses in the future for the same “volume” of hurricanes, flooding, etc. And those costs should be borne by Florida, not the Feds, i.e., non-Florida taxpayers.
This ^^ Don't expect to get insured by the Fed Gov if you build on the coast. Why should the Fed reimburse people to rebuild their vacation homes (or regular homes) in flood plains or hazardous coasts when insurance companies are withdrawing left and right?
Because Florida's congressional delegation wants welfare for their residents.
Why should the Fed reimburse people to rebuild their vacation homes (or regular homes) in flood plains or hazardous coasts when insurance companies are withdrawing left and right?
Because they bail out Illinois and California, not because of acts of God or people dying, but for no other reason than the states can't manage their own money.
I mean, it doesn't make any sense to cut off people who live in a natural flood zone if you're just going to redistribute the funds via SALT deductions and other emergency decrees to even more stupid people who live in even more expensive self-constructed unsustainable desert tinder boxes.
Florida is great, but Weeki Wachee is a shithole
What is libertarian about the STATE providing grade schoolers with gay porn instructions?
Never happened except in Fox News. Or DeMeatballs mind.
Then why do leftists like you fight so hard against something that isn't happening? Could it be your standard tactic of simply lying about the world? Seems to be.
Because they’re severely disturbed leftist meth addicted pedophiles (usually with a California trust fund as their wonderful hippie parents put them on adderall as kids).
*Genderqueer* isn’t a real public school book.
But the Head of the Florida Republican Party loves threesomes while his wife campaigns for Family Values.
Oh and he is being charged with rape, too.
Who cares. I’m not a theist or Republican. I’m not a moral relativist when it comes to pedophiles.
Well, good. At least no one got prosecuted for completely made up bullshit like Russian collusion hooker piss videos or stolen nuclear secrets.
DeSantis has chosen to focus his campaign on his more authoritarian culture war forays, including his punitive approach to Disney’s corporate political speech, his administration’s meddling in school libraries and curriculum, and his harsh treatment of immigrants.
Translation: you want to misappropriate tax payer dollars for corporate cronyism and radical left wing activism in government-run schools, and you want to flood the country with illegal migrants without valid asylum claims who need to be supported by taxes extracted at gunpoint from US taxpayers.
Some “libertarian” you are, KMW.
Yeah. Hedge funds build new YIMBY apartment building for missing middle, otherwise known as Diversity EQUITY and inclusion. I am forced to pay, along with Colorado taxpayers making over median income , 20-30 percent of market rate rent on new units. I am forced to pay a percentage of water/sewer on new apartments, electricity, food snap cards, schools, transportation, daycare- yep we voted for daycare subsidies too.
Hedge Fund and developers report 20-30 percent profit on the YIMBY units. Corporate welfare.
We are tax slaves. End of Rant!
An o.k. place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.
At our last visit the beach had red tide with all kinds of dead fish and air that was difficult to breathe in Tampa/St. Pete. When we went to the Keys in 2019 the weather was great in the dead of winter but the coral was all dead and gross when we went snorkeling.
You can get decent housing for the price in some places and taxes are low. But I wouldn't move there for the education if I was a young family unless I could afford a good private school that didn't have evangelical brain-washing as part of the curriculum. It's also hot as hell in the summer in many places (as it is in many other places in the South). (It's just personal preference but I can stand cold weather more than very hot.) I wouldn't retire there personally.
You can move there, but the homeowners insurance is more expensive than California if you could get it.
In much of Florida the only reason anyone can get homeowners Insurance at all is the Federal Flood Insurance Program. If DeSantis, Scott, and Rubio really believe in economic freedom let them support ending that massive subsidy and let everyone in Florida pay real market rates. Most of Florida is only economically viable because of such subsidies.
I was in Tampa a month ago. More aggressive mentally ill homeless people than anywhere I have ever visited. And not a police officer in sight. Give me New York City. Lower property taxes, less crime, and way fewer homeless people.
Great. Stay in NYC an incipient shithole.
An o.k. place to visit but I wouldn’t want to live there.
Given your demonstration of your sub-par public education and your desperation to convince... someone... you've actually touched grass, I would entirely expect the feeling to be mutual.
Bugs Bunny had it right when he sawed off the whole state and let it drift away.
"Siren song" is an apt but unfortunate metaphor. Odysseus survived his encounter with the Sirens by blocking the ears of his crew and having himself tied to the mast, a substantial preparation that had to be well planned. Other sailors are drawn from their boats and drown in the sea.
Florida has an insurmountable problem. It is going to drown in the sea. A very substantial portion of the state is less than 10 feet above sea level. The state itself is an enormous peninsula that cannot be encased in a sea wall and sea levels are rising rapidly. Indeed, a glacier 600 square miles in size, twice the size of New York City, just broke off from Antarctica. Florida is going to be a much smaller state by year 2100. Already Miami has water on the streets even when rain is not falling. The Surfside condominium collapse was at least in part due to water penetration and corrosion of the reinforcing steel. And more water penetration can be expected as the adjacent sea level rises, undermining more and more buildings.
Whatever you think of its political economy, Florida can't be a model for other states. Florida benefits from its unique geography, highly conducive to agriculture and tourism, by funding its state government largely by sales and receipts taxes. Yet Florida does not devote enough of that bounty to address the drawbacks of its semi-tropical climate; i.e., entirely predictable flooding and windstorm disasters. A third of the policies written by the heavily-subsidized National Flood Insurance Program are for properties in Florida, and the Florida attorney general has joined other states in suing to prevent the NFIP from charging more actuarily sufficient rates.
So skrewing the Florida State Seminoles is payback?
Holy Bob! Ms. Mangu-Ward, you've lost your marbles. Florida is the last place I'd want to live! I'm not old enough to golf (only 69 years old). The place is flat, hot and muggy, and full of bugs and reptiles. The beaches are useless because the water is too warm. Disneyworld is repulsive. I'll take the Catskills and Adirondacks anytime, New York's taxes and all.
Great. Stay there. We don't want you.
It's hot. It's humid. It is filled with mosquitos. Alligators lurk in every puddle, plotting to eat your dog and then you.
Politically, I love Florida. But....
It's hilarious that Florida's low taxes are in large part due to the tourist income Disney brings in and DeSantis is busily trying to drive Disney out of the state. Good luck with low taxes then.
Ed has an active fantasy life. Fuck off and die, Ed.
DO NOT MOVE TO FLORIDA.
IT IS A HORRIBLE PLACE.
YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
YOUR STATE IS INFINITELY BETTER, PLEASE STAY THERE.
I don't like Florida (way too humid and flat) and prefer California (dryer climate and varied terrain).
I however would much rather live under the oppressive Florida Dictatorship ruled by the sinister Ron DeSantis regime than the wonderful utopia that the enlightened Gavin Newsom has created.
The topography and climate of Florida may suck, but Gavin Newsom's dream of California sucks the very essence of life from it's citizens not to mention their ability to achieve and get ahead. If California had the same boring topography and climate of Florida, it have been evacuated a decade ago.
Gavin Newsom has taken a very nice piece of real estate and turned it into a gain heap of garbage. While Ron DeSantis is no where near perfect, his imperfections pale in comparison to those of Gavin Newsom. I would choose the worst of Ron DeSantis over the best of Gavin Newsom.
I see that Reason has ignored reports that Disney ran reedy creek like a cash cow and abandoned any initial promise of building housing and governance.
Reason says the government has to keep on funding entities that are unethical. If the Harvard president says “Fuck you, river to the sea doesn’t violate our speech code, and we’ll do nothing about terrorist sympathizers harassing Jewish students” the feds have to give them money.
Why? You see, if we did that, we could also cut funding for schools that don’t punish students for saying “MAGA”. Because some gray areas exist in defining hate speech, so we shouldn’t bother making sensible distinctions and allow all hate speech to thrive at a site where regulating speech is allowed.
Florida is the future indeed. And it was ran by a populist. Milei is more Desantis than Gary Johnson. People with vision, conviction, and charisma get things done.
Should Jews vote for libertarians? Sheldon Richman says “We don’t want your ill gotten golds”.
Just as most Biden supporters hate Biden but Trump more. So too the vote for Florida is that it isn't California.
Sure there is much to love in Florida but just looking around the gay and trans perversion sets most parents off DisneyLand
Florida is changing. It goes from Jeb Bush to the present.I think but don't know that many think bad things happen slower in Florida and good things happen faster.