Automakers Rethink E.V. Investments as Higher Labor Costs Hit
President Joe Biden's support for the United Auto Workers might have harmed his push for a faster transition to electric vehicles.

When President Joe Biden traveled to Michigan in September to walk the picket line with striking auto workers, he was praised for making a "powerful" gesture in support of the United Auto Workers (UAW) bid for higher pay.
By putting his presidential thumb on the scale, Biden might have helped tilt negotiations in favor of the UAW. At the same time, he seems to have inadvertently undermined one of his administration's big climate policy goals.
Ford and General Motors (G.M.), two of the three automakers that reached a deal with the UAW last month to end the strike, have announced plans this week to scale back future investments in electric vehicle (E.V.) production. Both companies have cited the higher labor costs created by the new union contract as a motivating factor for cutting costs, and E.V. production lines seem to be some of the top targets—perhaps not a surprise, given lackluster E.V. sales.
The new labor contract will cost Ford $8.8 billion through 2028, when it expires, and will add about $900 to the cost of each new vehicle, CNBC reported Thursday. During a call with investors this week, Chief Financial Officer John Lawler reportedly said that Ford would "find productivity and efficiencies and cost reductions throughout the company."
Separately, Ford has announced plans to postpone about $12 billion in planned investments in E.V. production. That includes punting on plans to build a battery production facility in Kentucky and postponing an expansion of a Michigan E.V. plant.
The story at G.M. appears to be pretty similar. New labor costs will total about $9.3 billion over the life of the UAW contract, and the company is planning to "fully offset the incremental costs of our new labour agreements," according to a CBC report this week. It looks like E.V. and self-driving vehicle production will take a significant hit.
This is pretty much exactly the trade-off that many people outside the White House expected. "The union is asking for more money and fewer hours as the industry transitions to E.V.s, but established companies are hemorrhaging money on the transition" despite getting generous government subsidies meant to stimulate E.V. production, Reason's Joe Lancaster wrote last month. In that environment, "Either UAW members can get a big raise, or automakers can push forward in the transition to electric vehicles."
The math is pretty irrefutable. Ford lost $4.5 billion on E.V.s this year and G.M. doesn't expect to turn a profit on them until at least 2025. When hit with higher labor costs, any business would first look to cut unprofitable or unsuccessful projects.
This looks like another version of the mistake the Biden administration made with solar panels. While the White House has ramped up subsidies to make rooftop solar panel installation more affordable, it has also maintained high tariffs on imported solar panels and their component parts—which has limited the availability of the very product the White House wants more Americans to be purchasing.
Trade-offs exist, even if you're unwilling to acknowledge them.
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Electrons matter
We need to build more nuclear power plants.
Half Lives Matter.
Could the grid handle any more supply? It could come down to the wire.
We have people in DC that are insulated from reality.
Your plans are the favorite of The Resistance.
They'll get a charge out it.
Only if they have the capacity.
Ohm, I don't know...
This looks like another version of the mistake the Biden administration made with solar panels. While the White House has ramped up subsidies to make rooftop solar panel installation more affordable, it has also maintained high tariffs on imported solar panels and their component parts—which has limited the availability of the very product the White House wants more Americans to be purchasing.
*cracks nuckles*
Sorry, bruh, but um, I've got a little rant around this topic in my back pocket. Here, let me pull it out.
When The Green New Deal was proposed by the the far-left and the Democrats (I repeat myself) we were told that it would not only be critical in mitigating climate change, but it would reinvigorate our economy by producing thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of new jobs in a green manufacturing and energy sector. Our left-behind-by-late-stage-capitalism segment of the population would be able to get jobs in factories producing solar panels, wind turbines, construction, installation-- all areas of sustainable energy that would provide all manner of opportunities to a reinvigorated manufacturing revolution.
Everyone agreed to disagree on the Green New Deal and so we have essentially gotten it by various pieces of legislation and regulation that ultimately add up to... The Green New Deal.
However, one major problem has popped up. Not only did I and every other American get a Green New Deal we didn't want, but we're not even going to get the jobs and manufacturing sector we were promised. Essentially the result is: Here's the Green New Deal you didn't want... oh, and those jobs and manufacturing sector we promised? Yeah... about that... *ships them off to China*
If libertarianism is going to roll over and accept the green new deal because *checks previous Reason articles* mitigating climate change is a "good thing", then why does it feel like mainline libertarianism is telling me I'm going to get fucked up ass and not even be given the common courtesy of getting a reach-around?
we were told that it would not only be critical in mitigating climate change, but it would reinvigorate our economy
I was also told it would regrow hair, help you lose weight, and get that promotion you really deserve.
Which was all predicted in advance, because that was always how it was going to shake out.
They were never going to mine the materials in the U.S. or manufacture the parts in the U.S. at any point, no matter what they might have said on the subject. They may be assembled in the United States, but even that is not a given.
Either way, they certainly made zero effort to increase electric generative capacity in the United States so it was always straight bullshit. You can't actually power electric vehicles in the United States without vastly increased electricity generation, and they've hamstrung all possible ways to generate the electricity that they are mandating everyone use.
In short, nobody in government is actually serious about the subject. The end result of their policies is a nice standard of living for the upper middle class and up, but everyone below that line should be prepared to be little better off than serfs in the middle ages. We're already close to that now, but there's still a lot further that we could fall if we let ourselves.
At this point, we might as well just stop producing and using energy, and then take the last change in our pockets in the tatters of our economy and give it all to Tuvalu or Sudan and tell them to develop their own Green New Deal.
On the plus side, with no valves the manuals can devote more pages to instructing owners not to drink battery fluid.
That's not even the half of it - dealerships who loaded up on EV's are getting absolutely murdered in the marketplace, because people aren't buying them. Not even with a $15k manufacturer's credit and a $7.5k tax break.
https://notthebee.com/article/pour-one-out-for-the-ev-dealers-who-simply-cannot-find-any-buyers-for-electric-vehicles-
When we (the royal 'we') bought into the Climate Change narrative but tried to remain libertarian-ish about it (We'll like, adapt to it man, with more testing!), someone didn't seem to realize that "adapting to it, man" meant Internal Combustion Engine bans by 2035, wallpapering the entire country with dodgy solar panels and wind turbines that don't work and don't produce enough energy while we shut down coal and nuclear-- the things that actually DO produce enough energy, and a chimeric idea of "net zero carbon" (which is fucking retarded on its face) through any means necessary. But hey, as long as we can buy our mandated electric cars, solar panels, heat pumps and battery operated lawn mowers at a decent price utilizing foreign labor, then we have remained "sufficiently libertarian".
Beacuse that's not adapting to it, but making ourselves less able to adapt to changes while doing a bunch of bullshit that won't make any significant difference to climate.
Any day now, .... I mean it, any day now, .... I REALLY mean it, ANY day now, there will be a grand technological breakthrough that will make EV's so cheap, so economical, and so advanced that we green new dealers will be proven right all along with our mandates and ICE vehicles will be forever obsolete.
Short of building fusion power plants that can fit under the hood, the only such breakthrough would be in battery technology. That seems very unlikely since battery chemistry will always have only 92 elements to work with, and 100 years of hard work has explored every possibility.
But if it could happen, it would make all existing EVs obsolete. So if you are expecting such a breakthrough, buying an EV now is stupid.
Ford lost $4.5 billion on E.V.s this year and G.M. doesn't expect to turn a profit on them until at least 2025.
I am sure it will be more profitable when their product line is 100% EV.
How short thou memory art!
Everything Xiden touches turns to shit.
I mean this seriously. Has there been any positives in the Biden administration? There has to be something, right?
Where are all the wins where his 44% approval rating comes from? Is the only thing to these morons is that he is not Trump?
>>Where are all the wins
Teheran and Kyiv on lines 2 and 3
Good point. I should have put the wins for the United States.
both soccer teams suck & seems it's been awhile since we've won gold in hockey or hoops. Japan owns us in baseball as of last March.
That 44% approval comes from the ones Romney was talking about back in 2012 - the ones, who don't pay taxes, because they live off the government teat.
They'll always support whatever LieCheatSteal party guy/gal that comes along, to keep the gravy train stopping at the station, every month.
Yeah, its 'higher labor costs'.
Not the complete lack of electrical grid and production support. The high costs - even subsidized. Not the pollution and human misery caused by mining.
Its the labor unions.
What happened? Labor not say something sufficiently pro-Hamas therefore they're going to get thrown under the bus?
Right, by the article’s own numbers, labor adding $900 to vehicles already subsidized for an amount no less than $7.5K is the problem.
Around the world, sales have repeatedly dried up when the subsidies dry up but, here, now, the problem is labor costs.
I noticed that too.
Here's *checks tables* $22,500 in rebates and subsidies to buy this $42,000 electric car.
Ok, but what's this $900 charge for?
Labor.
No thanks. *leaves dealership*
$900 for American labor?! Fuck that, I'll buy a Kia instead!
I'm sure the higher labor costs are indeed a factor, but the underlying massive failure that is the EV business is certainly a much more major factor.
This allows the car companies to continue with the farce that electric vehicles are 'the future' while blaming outside factors for the business failure.
The fact they were already losing money hand over fist before the new Union contact is one pretty big tell. They're sniffing around for more free government money and don't want to insult the politicians to their face regarding their government-run industry experiment.
I’m sure the higher labor costs are indeed a factor, but the underlying massive failure that is the EV business is certainly a much more major factor.
Too many major factors to list. All derive from the WEF/GND/BBB clusterfuck.
True.
The major factor to me is that the 'fuel' for said vehicle is becoming scarce way faster than gasoline, which is sort of insane since we already know how to generate all the electricity we could possibly want and we're actively ignoring it in favor of energy generation that absolutely cannot generate enough for what we already use, let alone what we'll be mandated to use tomorrow.
Politicians telling us to use electricity for everything should be expected to expand generative capacity by more than double it's current amount, yet we see exactly the opposite of that with energy generation being shut down and no new plants opening.
That's a recipe for major societal collapse if ever I've seen one, and my generation has seen it's fair share of that shit already. I fully expect to see major metro area's fully on fire before I die over this kind of stuff. We're already halfway there.
I had a longer post in the can about the merits of buying a $42K luxury item with a $7500 subsidy vs. purchasing a $25K reliable means to GTFOOD when you're flush with money, the border is controlled, and 'major conflict' constitutes a targeted killing of a single person in a 2-decade old war zone vs. eggs at $8/dz., your local PD is either a homeless encampment for people that do not habla or burned down, being forced to get poked or lose your job and have your assets frozen, and everywhere between Poland and Pakistan being a potential thermonuclear hot zone but thought better of brevity.
To our shared point(s), yeah, nuclear power is a factor too.
An all-electric bus?
That agrees with my immediate reaction to the headline. Higher labor costs are the excuse, not the reason.
"This looks like another version of the mistake the Biden administration made with solar panels. While the White House has ramped up subsidies to make rooftop solar panel installation more affordable, it has also maintained high tariffs on imported solar panels and their component parts—which has limited the availability of the very product the White House wants more Americans to be purchasing."
You keep giving these people a pass.
If they keep doing what they've been doing - at some point you have to start thinking that the consequences *are what they intend* and not 'mistakes'.
At some point you have to start asking if they're doing this on purpose and what needs to be done about it.
"what needs to be done about it." -- Obey the US Constitution (Supreme Law) of the land that never authorized such a dictated market environment.
Wickard v. Filburn; is there anything since that the government has not inserted itself into?
While there may indeed be some outright stupidity + dementia thrown into this, I think the primary purpose is to play to the progressive mantra that has been so promoted by MSM. I mean, "how dare you!"
Someday, someone needs to seriously challenge Wickard at SCOTUS.
Filburn got jobbed.
They have good intentions. The intention to line their own and their lobbyists pockets.
These people just want to erect more barriers to normal life!
In the land where 'guns' against those 'icky' people is a factory of self-importance needs that exist because they're just too lazy and self-entitled to *earn* it.
"At the same time, he seems to have inadvertently undermined one of his administration's big climate policy goals."
Well duh. That's because the goal is just a big fat LIE from it's foundation up. Try this one on.
"At the same time, he seems to have COMPLETED one of his administration's big [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] policy goals."
The writing has been on the wall the whole time if only the BS smoke screens can be ignored.
The Democratic-Nazi solution is easy. STEAL more for the wokers!
As it always is.
David Berlinski: Using "the decline of murder as being a measurement of human improvement... the statistics only work if you take out mass murder..."
And by "only work out if you take out" he means, "Ignore something like 90+% of intentional killings, military and civilian."
The global homicide rate is about 6 per 100000. The global rate of war-related deaths is about 3 per 100000. Both have generally been on a downward trend.
https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace
(Note that the charts are in absolute numbers, but the number of people in the world has doubled since the 1980s, meaning that the decline would look even bigger if you looked at rates.)
Should be clear on 2 things: my familiarity with Berlinski is that he’s more of a ‘The 20th Century was deadlier, by far than the 19th.’ guy rather than ‘The 80s and 90s were safer than the 60s and 70s’, so should be clear about the time period.
Additionally, your data only cites war/battle deaths, which is, ironically, like only counting police shootings as homicides. I'm certainly no fan of falsely ascribing homicides to police officers, but the US currently and imprisons more people and is complicit in more unnatural deaths than at any point in history. It is a bit exceptional but a) war is not the only way governments kill people and b) the US has nothing on regimes that disappear journalists, operate gulags, and operate forced labor camps and maintain other systems of ‘silent’ systematic oppression.
Not exactly to refute your point but, as indicated, there's a distinctly 'with mass murder, not of mass murder' aspect to saying people are as safe now as ever. Especially given the abundance of prefixing things with a 'mostly peaceful', letting the perpetrators of an act that needs 'mostly peaceful' prefixed to it go free, and calling it a day.
I’m certainly no fan of falsely ascribing homicides to police officers, but the US currently and imprisons more people and is complicit in more unnatural deaths than at any point in history.
The US also has more people than at any point in history.
The total number of homicides per year in the US is around 26000. The number of people killed by police every year doesn’t make a big difference in that, it is around 1000. About 980 of those are armed thugs threatening police with a deadly weapon. There are about 150 prison murders per year. Police killings and prison murder simply make little statistical difference in the US.
aspect to saying people are as safe now as ever
On average, people are clearly far safer now than ever, both in the US and across the globe. Furthermore, whether you are safe or not in the US is largely under your own control; I have always chosen to live in inexpensive, safe, usually immigrant neighborhoods.
Labor costs are completely irrelevant when your product idea is a Hummer EV that weighs 5 tons.
Part of the reason it weighs 5 tons is due to the batteries. An EV, on a per size/per class basis, is up 50% heavier than the equivalent ICE vehicle. That GMC Hummer at 9,000 pounds is the same size vehicle as a GMC Sierra at only 6,000 pounds. Interestingly enough, the Sierra will carry more and go further on a tank of fuel than the Hummer can on full charge.
Oil just can’t be beat.
No that's not the reason. Ford can build an EV cargo van with roughly the same weight (even though those vans are the heaviest EV cargo vans around). Ford can build EV passenger vans for the European market that weigh about 3 tons - but apparently no can do for the US market. Most mfrs can build EV buses - 400,000+ in China; <400 in the US - that weigh a range of weights from a lot less overall to a lot less per passenger.
But hey - I'm sure a Hummer EV is exactly what hits the sweet spot for American EV consumers. Next up - a EV the size of a supermarket. If only those damn labor costs weren't so high.
The laws of thermodynamics apply to all countries.
Chicken little is hoping someone makes a mask which solves that problem.
>>Ford and General Motors (G.M.) ... announced plans this week to scale back future investments in electric vehicle (E.V.) production.
the Boards watched Classic Albums - Rush Moving Pictures
Our government at work.
"Automakers rethink..."??? No. They "admit" they can't compete with Tesla. Why can't they, given their HUGE advantage? They grew lazy, over confident, as they grew politically powerful. Now, they want the taxpayers who they exploited to bail them our, vis-a-vie the politicians who betray everyone. Will they? Yes, but it will be "too little, too late". Bye, bye arrogant, lying, CEOs.
You don't have to demonstrate to us that the EV craze was more about pwning evil, rich CEOs for being evil and rich rather than it was saving the planet, we were already in on the charade.
By putting his presidential thumb on the scale, Biden might have helped tilt negotiations in favor of the UAW. At the same time, he seems to have inadvertently undermined one of his administration's big climate policy goals.
The people in the Biden administration aren't stupid: they know their "climate policy goals" are completely unachievable.
That's the point.
First, they get to use these idiotic justifications to hand out trillions of dollars to their billionaire donors and special interest groups.
Then, when they fail to achieve their goals, they can blame anything that's wrong with the country on people who opposed their obviously absurd policies.
Voters keep voting for it because Democrat policies forcibly redistribute from a minority to a majority.
Remember when we spent a kajillion bajillion borrowed/printed dollars on MoAR InFrAsTRuCtuRE - and a major killing blow to the EV Market is lack of e-charging stations, time spent in them, an electrical grid that can't support them, damage to the roads/highways/bridges because of their weight, repair necessities that few servicers are prepared/qualified for (and insurers don't want to cover), increased the amount of hazardous materials we're not prepared to deal with, and otherwise glaring and gross infrastructure failings?
Good times, good times.
I am so done with climate change, EVs, alternative power, democrooks. Has anyone seen any benefits from all they’ve been doing and receiving?
Are your solar panels still shiny, bright, and charging? You say you haven’t had time or energy for a self-install??? Gotten rich from your money, newly minted, that you’ve hoarded for the past few years? Want some more, let’s just crank up the presses! Anyone living in a condo or apartment complex that has been retrofitted with EV chargers for that beautiful Hummer? Didn’t the Association receive its funding? No to all the above? That’s what I thought, lol (edited to remove ?s that were supposed to be laugh emojis)
Where are YOUR tax dollars working?