USC Censors Jewish Professor for Saying Hamas 'Should Be Killed'
The university is violating John Strauss's free speech rights.

John Strauss is a professor of economics at the University of Southern California (USC). Earlier this month, he confronted pro-Palestinian students who had staged a protest calling for a ceasefire in Gaza. After hearing some of the students call for the destruction of Israel, Strauss—who is Jewish—became angry.
"Hamas are murderers," he shouted in response, according to The Los Angeles Times. "That's all they are. Everyone should be killed, and I hope they are killed."
Student-protesters captured his statements on video and shared them on social media. In response, several activist groups—including the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the campus's Muslim Student Union—called on the university administration take action against Strauss. A petition demanding his termination garnered 7,000 signatures.
These students swiftly got their way. Following "multiple complaints to USC's equity, diversity and Title IX office," the university placed Strauss on leave pending an investigation and barred him from campus. Administrators subsequently relented in part, allowing him to continue teaching his classes—remotely.
That's all according to the Los Angeles Times, which interviewed Strauss about the incident. The professor claims that he was misquoted: he clearly expressed a desire for all members of Hamas to be killed, not at all Palestinians.
"The allegation was that I said, 'Kill all Palestinians,'" said Strauss. "I never said that and I never would say that. I said, 'Kill all Hamas.' That's quite different."
Free speech groups have criticized USC for caving to the mob. Both PEN America and the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) called on the university to end its investigation on Strauss.
"The fact that some protesters characterized Strauss's comments as 'hate speech,' or even threatening to students, does not deprive them of protection under USC's policies," wrote FIRE's Jessie Appleby. "The standards for punishing speech as a true threat or harassment are high, and Strauss's remarks to a group of protesters fall far short."
The university did not respond to a request for comment.
The weaponization of Title IX bureaucracy against free speech is nothing new, but it is lamentable, nevertheless. Students and faculty members have the right to express provocative opinions that are pro-Israel, pro-Palestinian, and everything in between. They do not lose their free speech rights simply because someone on the other side of the issue is sufficiently perturbed to file a complaint.
Just as it is wrong for pro-Israel political figures to censor pro-Palestinian activists—even when the activism in question is genuinely loathsome—so too is it wrong to punish a Jewish professor for desiring Hamas' destruction, something that isn't even particularly controversial.
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Hummus should be destroyed. It is as bad as Hawaiian pizza.
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cross-article call back!
I have the calzones to make such food references.
15000 Palestinian civilians including 10000 women and children have been slaughtered by Jews in Gaza. They’ve specifically targeted vulnerable civilians in refugee camps, hospitals, schools and their homes. The destruction there is total.
The ceasefire should have resulted in media coverage showing the world its first glimpse of the total destruction Jews have done with our aid. We had front row seats to a media bonanza of shock and awe when Iraq was invaded. Our media propaganda is complicit with Jewish crimes against humanity with its absence from gaza during this ceasefire.
This genocide is the work of the Israeli government for Jews.
Our veterans didn’t die so we could be a party to this. Our support for these Israeli terrorists spits in the faces of our fallen soldiers.
You may want to be a party to this Jewish apartheid, genocide and crimes against humanity in Palestine but I don’t and will always oppose it. It’s long overdue that we stand up to and stop these terrorist Jews. We will be judged for all history by our actions or inaction.
Here is proof of the plans they are currently implementing for all the world to recognize. The Jews final solution for Palestinians. It’s not a plan to rescue hostages. It’s a plan to kill and forcibly displace an entire population of people that Jews have been oppressing for 75 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_paper:_Options_for_a_policy_regarding_Gaza%27s_civilian_population
Jews have been fantasizing about and claiming to be victims of holocausts for over 100 years. Accusing others of committing genocide and crimes against humanity against them. Only in their case to falsely raise money and sympathy to steal Palestine and oppress and terrorize Palestinians. Now they’re realizing their dream and true nature in Gaza.
They have threatened to use nukes they aren’t supposed to have and are demonstrating that they are the worst group of people on earth.
Who could ever again be coerced by the term antisemitism? Jews have earned that recognition with their genocide and crimes against humanity in gaza. It’s recorded for all time never to be obfuscated or forgotten.
Fuck you piece of shit lying waste of skin terrorist Jews.
And where did you pull that shit from, Stormfront?
You’ll never refute the truth fuckwit.
What’s that I hear? Crickets.
The killings will stop when Gaza unconditionally surrenders, like Japan did in 1945.
Nothing more than piece of shit lying waste of skin terrorist Jews targeting and slaughtering innocent civilians to achieve a political objective.
The Jewish schtick.
What happened to those 6 million, Misek?
Lying waste of skin Jews have claimed 166 different holocausts of 6 million Jews between 1900 and 1945.
What 6 million are you talking about?
http://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017/10/31/repeated-claims-of-6-million-jews-dying-decades-before-hitler-vs-ignored-soviet-death-camp-tolls/
This
http://www.renegadetribune.com/repeated-claims-of-6-million-jews-dying-decades-before-hitler-vs-ignored-soviet-death-camp-tolls/
Maybe it would be better for you to go back in time and have Ike drag your ass into one of those camps, twit.
The Palestinian refugee camps that the Jews intentionally targeted last week with air strikes killing dozens of refugees?
What's funny here is the half wit cut and paste from some jew hating site that would be approved material on USC while the real facts that discredit his mental diharea would be censored on the same campus.
It toss a witty food reference to matza balls but that morons post turns my stomach so I can't think about food.
Can you even try to stay off topic with the food discussion? You Stormfront types are the wurst.
Misek is a sour kraut.
and Misek is a sauer brat(en) to boot.
Misek ist ein Arschloch.
Thanks AOC.
"15000 Palestinian civilians including 10000 women and children have been slaughtered by Jews in Gaza."
Do you guys really think Herr Misek would do that folks? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
Anyway, now I know where JFree got his statistics from.
Cut and paste. Congrats, you get the spam treatment. Bye bye.
What’s the down side?
“15000 Palestinian civilians including 10000 women and children have been slaughtered by Jews in Gaza.”
There is no such thing as a “Palestinian.” Never was, never will be.
Palestinian is a code phrase. It can have different meanings. It can mean Hamas pretending not to be Hamas. It can mean Israelis who refuse to assimilate into Israel. It can be the children of either of the above. What it does not, and cannot mean, is a civilian.
But, 15,000 is a good start.
Genocide much?
Did they have insurance or not?
One of the great things about free speech on the internet is that whatever is posted is recorded for all time on decentralized servers.
Piece of shit lying waste of skin terrorist Jews and their advocates are being seen clearly for what they are by the entire world.
Your actions and comments will be used against you for all time.
Hahaha
Educate yourself and challenge your bigotry. Watch the three minute segment of the video I’ve presented below. After all, it is a prominent Jew speaking.
The mainstream media is complicit with the genocide and crimes against humanity committed by Jews and advocated by the west. We should be seeing videos of the total destruction in Gaza. The bombed refugee camps, hospitals, schools and homes. Interviewing the families of the 15000 slaughtered.
The Israeli government plan to kill and forcibly displace the entire entire Palestinian population in Gaza should be front page news.
Instead all we see is the language of propaganda. Dozens of CHILDREN held indefinitely by Jews are “prisoners” while Jews held by Palestinians are “hostages”.
Miko Peled is an Israeli, an author, a public speaker and the son of a famous Israeli general.
He is also opposed apartheid, genocide and crimes against humanity committed by Jews in Palestine.
Between 40:40 and 43:45 in the video he describes a poignant example of previous Israeli terrorism. As terrible as It is, it pales in comparison to what Jews are doing now.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ
I could destroy some hummus right about now.
I just made what looks like hummus. Perhaps more fiber is needed.
Hummus has fiber, just saying.
That is just fiber optics.
It's an optical extrusion.
Hummus has fiber, just saying.
Not enough!
There's nothing wrong with Hawaiian pizza.
The university did not respond to a request for comment.
They're too busy adding a paragliding elective.
They're too busy first coming for that guy.
They're too busy hoping their Jewish donors don't catch wind.
Yeah, when you get word to the alumni that the administration is being stupid it's like grabbing the administration by the balls. Their hearts and minds follow.
At the college my son attends some of the football players wanted to kneel for the anthem and the administration allowed them to kneel. My son and his buddies got the list of Alummni who donate yearly to the college and told them about the kneeling.
Suffice to say when 90% of your donors threaten to not send money the administration listens and no more kneeling football players.
Expel the pro terrorist students
Rush Limbaugh, love him or hate him, often said we need to keep some of these leftists around on campuses so we never forget how really idiotic they are.
I think we need to take it a step further and actually teach the syphalitic ramblings of Karl Marx. Make some college freshman do a half dozen book reports on those writings and they will HATE Marx. His writings make Mein Kamph look well reasoned.
Only students can express terrible opinions, not professors.
https://twitter.com/FrankDeScushin/status/1729291812479644003?t=a38rfkaXYdbx2MVwXQXH_g&s=19
Ted Koppel asks Richard Nixon why the U.S. gives Israel massive money and sacrifices American lives defending Israel if Israel provides no strategic value to the U.S.
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What American lives were sacrificed? And when?
What American lives were sacrificed? And when?
34 Americans were killed in 1967 when Israel "mistakenly" attacked the USS Liberty.
And oddly enough, Vietnam is emerging as an ally. Times change.
Remember the Maine!!!!
Beat me to it.
https://twitter.com/Doc_0/status/1729513847386485124?t=fTUFkZ2VPmAf4-rvn3zuIA&s=19
On the crazy intersectional totem pole the Left uses to destroy civilization, nothing sits higher than Sacred Oppressed People of Color. Higher than feminists, and even transsexuals. NOTHING the Sacred Oppressed do is beyond the pale, including raping and mutilating women.
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The "color" of the people in Gaza is white, just like the color of the people in Israel, Spain, Italy, Greece, and everywhere else around the Mediterranean.
So "Kill all Jews" is fine, and even encouraged, but Kill all members of a terrorist organization that deliberately murders children" is forbidden. This new kinder, gentler Leftism has me confused.
I don't condone killing except in self defense, but there is a clear distinction between the two here.
Also, Jews in the US are a significant component of the Democratic Party coalition, and the party is in imminent danger of losing them all with it's insistence on groveling before the Hatemongering Intolerant Woke.
I think you'd be surprised at the proportion of the democratic Jews that are of the "Jews for Palestine" variety.
Yes, one need only review the many demonstrations and the Jewish organizations that participate. It’s sick.
Judeo-Christian guilt in play here. It has damaged our civilization to have these people flogging themselves (virtually, of course, never in the flesh) to prove their virtue.
I don't know if it's Judeo-Christian guilt. In my experience most people that say they are Jewish mean it in the ethnic way, not the wear a tiny hat and don't eat bacon kind of way. I think it's mostly lefties that happen to be ethnically Jewish.
https://twitter.com/BonifaceOption/status/1726772492788781480?t=lwWXnuV4yD3ePqgLXDWPcA&s=19
The funny thing about the "Judeo-Christian Tradition"
There really is no "Tradition" to it.
The entire concept only goes back to the mid-20th Century.
Before then, Christians for nearly two thousand years understood they were explicitly distinct from the religion of Judaism. "Judeo-Christian Tradition" would make as much sense to them as talking about an "Islamic-Christian Tradition."
Neither did they see the religion of the Old Testament as "Judaism." It was simply pre-Incarnation Christianity.
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Before then, Christians for nearly two thousand years understood they were explicitly distinct from the religion of Judaism.
Christians still view themselves as explicitly distinct from Jews; nothing has changed there.
What has changed is that, as Western academics became familiar with other religions (Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.), Christians and Jews recognized that they are actually quite similar in terms of their moral and religious frameworks.
Neither did they see the religion of the Old Testament as “Judaism.” It was simply pre-Incarnation Christianity.
Pre-Christian Judaism evolved from polytheism to monolatry to henotheism. It really became monotheistic only in the Common Era.
What we call "Judaism" evolved after the birth of Christ. Both Christianity and Judaism are religions deeply rooted in Greek philosophy and Roman politics.
Wat?
Yes, this is just a historical fact. You can find remnants of this even in English Bibles (e.g., Psalm 82:1: "God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment.")
For most of its existence, the Jewish deity was similar to the deities of many other cities and people in the region, with a dedicated temple where the deity was believed to dwell. Judaism gradually transformed because Jews ended up in exile several times. Rabbinic Judaism started after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70CE.
The entire concept only goes back to the mid-20th Century.
Are you arguing that Jews and Christians shared no cultural values prior to the Mid-20th Century or that the term 'Judeo-Christian Tradition' didn't exist until the Mid-20th Century.
Because one would seem to be fanatical refutation of broad swaths of historical fact and the other would seem to be obfuscating broad swaths of historical fact based on trivial nomenclature and both are pretty Misek-level idiocy.
Feel free to look up usage of the term "judeo-christian"
I did(n’t need to). It originated/peaked around the same time as the term ‘fascism’. Is the recognition of the existence of fascism a shared Nardz-casual tradition even though it only dates back to the Mid-20th or do you deny the existence of fascism as well?
Judeo-Christian guilt in play here.
There is nothing "Judeo-Christian" about this guilt. Judeo-Christianity emphasizes the moral responsibility of the individual. YOU get judged for what YOU did.
The guilt that progressives experience is collectivist, race-based guilt; that is anathema to Christianity.
And, in line with your point above, the individual morality arrived at by the two Abrahamic Religions is distinct from the other Abrahamic Religion (or the majority sects anyway) inasmuch as the social system is required to respect your individual choice of action whereas the Imamate and Sharia Law are not.
There is no "judeo-christian" tradition; this is just a politically convenient way of pointing out that Islam is simply ~550 years behind.
If the world survives 550 more years, Islam will also probably become a "mature" religion.
Not *just* ~550 yrs. behind but, yeah.
If you and I attended the same concert, even if I loved it and you hated it, even if I was in the back row and you had back stage passes, the concert was a part of our shared experience or history. A shared experience or history that people who stayed home or went to the grocery store do not share.
You people are really rabid about advocating this whole 'distinction without a difference'.
"Yes, one need only review the many demonstrations and the Jewish organizations that participate. It’s sick."
Are all demonstrations against all wars sick? Or is this one special?
It probably is when it’s the only war said people are protesting.
I have not seen any of my fellow Jews on FB advocating for Palestine.
I suspect that the actual proportion is low, but they’re vociferous and media-worthy. The sicarii had a point, though they generally went too far.
You could be right, I've been known to fall victim to media distortion before.
"I have not seen any of my fellow Jews on FB advocating for Palestine."
They have their own website.
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
They are organizing, together with Christians, Muslims and Atheists, the biggest anti war movement in the country for decades. And you're opposing the movement? Libertarians lining up behind the likes of Biden, Trump and the rest of the war mongering pimps? What gives?
Those are not true Jews. Just like nobody ever tried true socialism.
JVP = self hating Jews
They are nihilists.
"They are nihilists."
Are they Hamas? They certainly fit the profile, with their anti-war marches, and opposition to Biden, Trump and the rest of them.
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If bloodthirsty right-wing Jews who support immoral conduct and superstition-driven violence are the only "real Jews," I have some bad news about the future of "real Judaism" in the modern world.
(That's taking "culture war casualty" to a hopeless extreme.)
How do they propose to deal with Hamas?
What reaction, beyond a ceasefire do they propose in the face of the butchery of 1400 people?
What are their plans to deal with the Hamas vow of "an October 7th, over and over and over..."?
"How do they propose to deal with Hamas? "
Go to their website to find out. I provided the address already.
"What are their plans to deal with the Hamas vow of “an October 7th, over and over and over…”?"
Deal with the Palestinians and Hamas will take care of itself. Don't deal with the Palestinians and more Oct. 7th are all but guaranteed.
Trump warmongering? War stopping better use of you confused microcognition. Maybe you fooled yourself into Obama, bitem, Clinton squared, bush squared. But not Trump, true pimp. Your revisionist attempts at history will hump at Ivy League, sc, Stanford and Biden’ lap. Enjoy the ride.
Trump launched as many wars as Biden and Obama combined (zero).
However, Trump authorized military strikes against numerous countries during his four years at the helm (at least doubling Obama's total number of drone strikes), and very nearly launched a hot war with Iran (saved only by Iran incompetently shooting down its own airliner early in its response to the assassination of Soleimani).
I agree about "killing only in self defense". However, when dealing with a military organization whose stated goal is to kill you it seems to me that the only options are to kill or capture them and never free them.
Hamas is not a military organization like the US Army, it’s a paramilitary organization like the SS, dedicated to committing war crimes. Every one of them should be executed as a war criminal. Every one of their leaders should be executed. Every “civilian” who followed Hamas into Israel on 10/7 should be executed. Those who Hamas is using as human shields – it sucks to be them, but 90% of the adults supported Hamas and raised their children to support Hamas.
And they should all be thanking Allah that Israel will ignore those calls for “proportionate response”. IMO, a proportionate response to the planned gang rapes and mass murders of 10/7 would require studying Vlad the Impaler and Torquemada, rather than just shooting and hanging.
I will say I am not sure who started self defending against the other first. I've read arguments on both sides trying to claim sainthood for both Israel and pretty much everyone else in the region.
Seems to me people in that region have been killing each other since before we were a nation and they will still be killing each other until our sun goes nova. I just don't see how us taking a side will make that end.
Let's say - just for example - that a professor of, um, Underwater Basketweaving said to a group of pro-Nazi protestors at, say, the University of Chicago in 1943 that all Nazi mass-murderers should be killed. Would that be considered "hate speech" justifying the suspension of the professor? If not, why not? Compare and contrast. Turn in your papers in ten minutes.
Folks, this is a war! Enemy combatants get killed in wars. Just as the Empire of Japan launched a sneak attack on the United States (only much, much worse!) killing many of our soldiers and sailors and, in response, we then killed many more of their soldiers and sailors; Hamas launched a sneak attack on hundreds of innocent civilians, murdering, torturing and raping them indiscriminately. All Hamas should be killed - in the war that has ensued - just like the Nazi and Nipponese combatants were.
No, Nazis are the enemy of communsits. It is ok to hate them. Hamas/Palestinians are pro communist so are beyond reproach.
"All Hamas should be killed"
It's not going to happen. What's your plan B?
Surrender. Save yourself. Is that the correct answer?
"Surrender. "
It's not going to happen. Israel is good at destroying hospitals and schools, killing doctors, nurses, teachers and children and the defenseless. Israel has a very long history of appeasing terrorists, people who play for keeps. The tradition will continue.
I doubt that Israel has killed any doctors, nurses, teachers or children. I don't think they have destroyed any hospitals or schools. They may very well have destroyed some Hamas military installations disguised to look like hospitals or schools. If you disagree, you'll have to do much better than spout off with your biases.
"I doubt that Israel has killed any doctors, nurses, teachers or children. "
Are you relying on American sources for your news? Maybe you should broaden your horizons. Al Jazeera is the only outfit that has a large presence in Gaza, and quite a number of their journalists have lost their lives covering the conflict. For more neutral coverage, the two principal English language newspapers of India cover the conflict in detail. None have written of Hamas military installations disguised as hospitals or schools being destroyed by Israel. It sounds like 40 babies beheaded by Hamas which Biden talked about, ie a feeble attempt to justify indiscriminate massacre.
Brussels/Jerusalem – Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) is horrified by the killing of two MSF doctors, Dr Mahmoud Abu Nujaila and Dr Ahmad Al Sahar, and a third doctor, Dr Ziad Al-Tatari, following a strike earlier today on Al-Awda hospital, Gaza, Palestine. Our thoughts are with their families and all colleagues mourning their death. Al-Awda is one of the last remaining functional hospitals in northern Gaza.
Dr Abu Nujaila and Dr Al Sahar were in the hospital when it was hit on the third and fourth floors. Other medical staff, including MSF staff, were also severely injured. MSF has regularly shared information about Al-Awda as a functioning hospital and the presence of our staff there to the warring parties. GPS coordinates were also shared with Israeli authorities yesterday.
https://www.msf.org/msf-doctors-killed-strike-al-awda-hospital-northern-gaza-palestine
As I said, you really have to broaden your sources to get a picture of what's happening in Gaza. By all means, continue to get the Israeli perspective from US sources, and Israeli sources too, which are often better. But if they are telling you that Israel isn't killing doctors, nurses, teachers, and children, you're being played for a fool.
I see news reports from several “US sources” with no supporting evidence whatsoever. When IDF has been accused of attacking hospitals in the past there is almost always at least some statement from Israeli officials one way or the other in response, but only silence on this particular claim. Even Al Jazeera only made the simple claim without any supporting evidence. When you have some supporting evidence that Israel attacked a hospital please let us all know. I specifically recall that the last accusation that IDF bombed a hospital in Gaza turned out to be a terrorist missile launch that failed and fell short in the hospital parking lot packed with non-medical, non-hospital refugees. So you’re still going to have to do better before I’ll change my opinion.
"Even Al Jazeera only made the simple claim without any supporting evidence."
Supporting evidence like shell fragments from the missile that killed the doctors? Video? I'm not sure what kind of evidence would convince you. You want a coroner's report on the dead bodies? I suspect you are clutching at straws to exculpate Israel from perpetrating any atrocities.
As for the silence on the part of Israeli officialdom, the obvious answer is shame. Why would they publicly admit to the murder of 3 doctors if they don't have to?
All of them who fight against the IDF in the current war will be killed. Just as we did not try to kill every German or Japanese soldier in World War II, I doubt that the Israeli soldiers will try to kill ever Hamas terrorist. There is no Plan B.
"All of them who fight against the IDF in the current war will be killed."
That's the problem, though, isn't it? Like on Oct. 7th, those who attacked Israel, and didn't return to Gaza with hostages in tow, almost certainly fought until they were killed. I read of one Hamas militant surrendering to the Israelis. The rest presumably fought to the bitter end. I don't see why this episode will end differently. Hamas, desperate, angry with no meaningful future, will continue to fight until Israel grows tired of taking casualties with no end in sight. We've already seen a ceasefire and an extension. A plan B, in other words.
Well, I don't see the problem. Israel has been trying to sue for peace in the middle east on and off since 1948, with occasional military responses when attacked. I see no evidence that Israel will ever grow tired of taking casualties, and there has been "no end in sight" at any point in the last seventy-three years.
An oil drilling rig that can break through six feet of radioactive glass.
These rigs drill through miles of granite. The only challenge a sheet of glass poses is that you might have to hammer anchors through the glass to set the rig stably.
https://twitter.com/DrClaytonForre1/status/1729346331049636147?t=UBJtAzF1AAnt_iFLAoEPtQ&s=19
Trump only needed a measly $5 billion to build the Wall but Congress wouldn't give it to him. These people are scum.
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https://twitter.com/AIPAC/status/1590347626930921472?t=N3H87g4rBmjbsBoXNWXjvw&s=19
In less than a year, the @aipacpac emerged as the largest pro-Israel PAC in the country – with more than 6,000 members contributing over $17 million through AIPAC for 365 Democratic and Republican candidates – affirming that being pro-Israel is both good policy and good politics.
Thanks for that tidbit of positivity (a contrast with most of the depressing news you share)
Note the deranged comments that follow that, however.
Regarding a foreign country's control over 68% of congress as a positive is certainly something
Politics should not be a career. Vote everyone out, every time.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1729527258862301627?t=3F2cGOBPE5tDCk9W8RBbmA&s=19
NEW - United States taxpayers pay $451 billion per year for housing and care of illegal migrants.
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$5B for a wall seems like a good investment.
https://twitter.com/TheMessenger/status/1729519264577515742?t=GPJE6mGXzzRvV68rj24nkQ&s=19
Taylor Swift courses will be offered at several universities next spring
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Once took a Lord of the Rings class as an elective thinking it would be an easy A. Ended up dropping the course after the professor marked my first exam with, “You shall not pass!”
I should have seen that one coming.
Sauron would have.
Did he see Frodo and Sam coming?
Sauron didn’t hear them because they didn’t ring.
He was Gollum-able.
Aww, that's precious
Lol
https://twitter.com/MindShiftKQED/status/1729099157082976427?t=ytwyq2C0bh2b-w7znxMP1Q&s=19
A study from Carnegie Mellon University finds that everyone learns at the same rate, although some students have a head start.
A group of scientists set out to study quick learners. Then they discovered they don't exist
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Researchers that started looking at this before that group previously came to the same conclusion.
There exist researchers who came to the same conclusion. There is also a large body of literature showing large differences in the rate at which people learn.
..everyone learns at the same rate..
Personal experience says otherwise.
The conclusion that everyone’s learning rate is similar might apply only to well-designed versions of computerized learning. Koedinger thinks students probably learn at different paces in the analog world of paper and pencil, without the same guided practice and feedback.
Or, more likely, everyone’s learning rate is similar might apply only to poorly designed versions of computerized learning. That is, the computerized learning system simply limits the rate at which people learn.
I tried early versions of "computerized learning" software when I was in school. It was dreadful and boring.
"The allegation was that I said, 'Kill all Palestinians,'" said Strauss. "I never said that and I never would say that. I said, 'Kill all Hamas.' That's quite different."
Hamas are mass murderers and terrorists. Are people going to be arrested next for saying "Osama bin Laden deserved to die"?
Given what's been going on on Tik Tok Lately, I would suspect so.
Bet on it.
Are people going to be arrested next for saying “Osama bin Laden deserved to die”?
Absolutely. TikTok retards will be running companies and government agencies in the next fifteen years.
Tic tockers are all pro Osama these days. Too bad they don't turn on the DNC since it was Obama who got the credit for killing Osama.
"The allegation was that I said, 'Kill all Palestinians,'" said Strauss. "I never said that and I never would say that. I said, 'Kill all Hamas.' That's quite different."
I think the underlying presumption here is that... all Palestinians are essentially Hamas. So I think we need some time to marinate on this.
"I think the underlying presumption here is that"
I agree. 'Here' as in this board, certainly. What the professor meant is not clear, though he had to walk back his earlier statements. Kill all Hamas and Kill all Palestinians: the words are 'quite different' but in practice are the same thing.
The people on this board are not the ones who raised the complaint about this professor.
I agree. Most here seem to oppose a ceasefire and want the slaughter to continue. The professor is an ally.
Is Hamas defeated yet?
They are not the same, unless you are saying every palestinian is a member of Hamas. Are you?
"They are not the same, "
How do you explain the massacring of Gazans? It's indiscriminate. How do you explain that simply calling for a ceasefire gets you identified as Hamas or a supporter of Hamas? How do you explain the killing of Arabs on the West Bank?
Kill all Hamas and Kill all Palestinians: the words are ‘quite different’ but in practice are the same thing.,
So wait, there is no separation between Hamas and the Palestinian people?
"So wait, there is no separation between Hamas and the Palestinian people?"
Don't ask me. Ask the 3 Palestinians who were shot at the university of Vermont the other day.
Given the "pro Palestinian" rhetoric and aims I'm not so certain they see a difference and given that they claim solidarity and that the Hamas political arm is the one running Gaza (democratically elected) I don't see why I should fight their assertion. In their view. No Palestinian or ally is an innocent civilian, they're all members of a genocidal terror group.
"No Palestinian or ally is an innocent civilian, they’re all members of a genocidal terror group."
Hence the indiscriminate nature of the attack on Gaza.
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So over 100 times the amount the GOP refused to give Trump for a border wall
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Enrichment isn't free.
"The allegation was that I said, 'Kill all Palestinians,'" said Strauss. "I never said that and I never would say that. I said, 'Kill all Hamas.' That's quite different."
To many right wing Jews it's the same. They don't make the distinction. Support of Palestinians is support for Hamas. Support of a ceasefire is support for Hamas. Questioning the historical context of the conflict is support for Hamas. Ethnic cleansing on the West Bank and Gaza targets all Palestinians. So do the genocidal policies which destroy housing and medical facilities in Gaza, as well as the denial of food, fuel and water.
So do the genocidal policies which destroy housing and medical facilities in Gaza, as well as the denial of food, fuel and water. -- oh, you woke up to what Hamas is doing. Finally!
You don’t distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians, do you? They are mostly Muslim and Christian. None are Jews. Don’t they all deserve extermination?
You don’t distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians, do you? They are mostly Muslim and Christian. None are Jews.
The reason there are no Jews in Gaza is because the people there ethnically cleansed them. Ditto for the West Bank and Jordan.
Many of the people in Gaza have no connection to the territory of Israel: neither they nor their ancestors are from there.
Don’t they all deserve extermination?
Israel isn't trying to exterminate the people of Gaza.
But the people of Gaza are trying to exterminate the Israelis.
"But the people of Gaza are trying to exterminate the Israelis."
How are they doing this? By taking hostages? By fracturing Israeli alliances? That will never exterminate the Israelis. It might bring them to the bargaining table to iron out a political solution. Is that what you mean by extermination? An odd use of the word if you ask me. You exterminate a population by denying it food, fuel and water. Like siege warfare in the old days. Besiege a city and wait for disease and starvation to take hold. Meanwhile destroy hospitals, schools, kill children, doctors, nurses, teachers and the like. That's not the people of Gaza doing that. That's Israelis. Who's telling you otherwise?
"The reason there are no Jews in Gaza is because the people there ethnically cleansed them. Ditto for the West Bank and Jordan."
There are plenty of Jews in both Gaza, and the West Bank. When was Gaza and the West Bank ethnically cleansed of Jews? I think you should check your sources as you are being misinformed.
You don't distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians, do you? Isn't that how you justify indiscriminate killing? The recognition of a difference between Hamas and non-Hamas Palestinians seems a central tenet of the anti-war movement. I have you pegged as pro-war, anti-ceasefire.
How are they doing this? By taking hostages? By fracturing Israeli alliances? That will never exterminate the Israelis. It might bring them to the bargaining table to iron out a political solution.
The people in Gaza have been offered political solutions over and over again for 70 years; they have rejected each and every one of them, insisting on the complete removal of Jews from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea. They keep chanting that to this day.
There are plenty of Jews in both Gaza, and the West Bank.
There are no Jews living in Muslim-controlled territories. The only Jews living in the West Bank are living in areas controlled by Israel. Jordan and other nearby nations have also been ethnically cleansed of Jews.
You don’t distinguish between Hamas and [the people living in Gaza], do you?
I distinguish between them: Hamas is the government of the people living in Gaza.
Isn’t that how you justify indiscriminate killing?
Israel isn’t “indiscriminately killing” anybody; Israel targets military and terrorist locations in Gaza. Hamas uses civilians as human shields. Israel is not obligated to protect human shields. Hamas, not Israel, are the war criminals.
I have you pegged as pro-war, anti-ceasefire.
I am neither pro nor anti war; this is Israel’s war, not America’s. I don’t tell Israelis what they should do. I simply observe that you are misrepresenting the history, legal, and moral situation. As far as I am concerned, Israel is fully justified in doing what they are doing and Hamas is responsible for the civilian deaths in Gaza.
" they have rejected each and every one of them,"
Because they are not happy with the terms. I've already stated that they are demanding the right of return. What don't you understand?
"There are no Jews living in Muslim-controlled territories."
I'm not sure what you are claiming here. That Palestinians ethnically cleansed the West Bank? It seems you are backing away from this. Maybe you could clarify.
"Israel isn’t “indiscriminately killing” anybody; Israel targets military and terrorist locations in Gaza. "
Sure they are. The Israelis clearly have little idea where Gaza's military is or the militants. Had they been on the ball they would have nipped the Oct 7 invasion in the bud, as Hamas were bulldozing their way through the barriers. The notion that the IDF know where to bomb to how to avoid killing civilians is ludicrous. As I say, whoever it is you are relying on for this information is doing you a disservice.
"Hamas uses civilians as human shields. "
What evidence do you have for this claim? Again, it seems to me that you again are parroting Israeli talking points. If you come across a self serving narrative, like Hamas is to blame for the civilians the IDF kills, dig a little deeper. Don't accept the first explanation you come across.
Because they are not happy with the terms. I’ve already stated that they are demanding the right of return.
They are not just "demanding the right of return", they are demanding the removal of all Jews from Israel, "from the river to the sea". If they had been willing to live peacefully in a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic society, they could have done that like Israel's 1.7 million Muslims. Instead, they took the side of Israel's enemies and tried to destroy it and erase it from the face of the earth.
I’m not sure what you are claiming here. That Palestinians ethnically cleansed the West Bank?
I'm stating a fact: every Muslim controlled territory or nation adjacent to Israel has ethnically cleansed Jews from its territories.
Sure they are. The Israelis clearly have little idea where Gaza’s military is or the militants. ... The notion that the IDF know where to bomb to how to avoid killing civilians is ludicrous.
The IDF is not obligated to avoid killing civilians. Any civilian casualties that occur as part of attacks with legitimate military objectives are acceptable under international law. It is the job of Hamas to protect its civilians. In fact, Hamas is obligated to unconditionally surrender and face justice for its war crimes and terrorism.
"They are not just “demanding the right of return”, they are demanding the removal of all Jews from Israel,"
I don't think the Jews would accept that demand their removal. They might come around to the right of return. That's what the Palestinians are hoping for. There's really no problem with land, there's plenty enough, it's the water that's the problem.
"I’m stating a fact: every Muslim controlled territory or nation adjacent to Israel has ethnically cleansed Jews from its territories."
That's clear, but the Palestinian Authority or Hamas hasn't ethnically cleansed Jews.
" with legitimate military objectives are acceptable under international law. "
There's the rub. What are legitimate military objectives? Firing missiles into churches schools and hospitals on nothing more than groundless speculation is not legitimate. This is the problem with democratic countries fighting wars. Israel doesn't have the stomach to face an opponent willing to fight to the death in hand to hand street fighting. Hence the willingness to inflict civilian casualties. It was the same thing in northern France after D day. The allies, rather counterintuitively killed more French civilians that did the Germans.
" Hamas is obligated to unconditionally surrender and face justice for its war crimes and terrorism."
The head of Hamas lives in a hotel in Qatar. Why doesn't Israel take him to The Hague? I think they have a good case. Perhaps Israel needs Hamas. Just think, a Palestine, without Hamas, presenting a united front with one voice instead of the constant infighting we have now. It would be disastrous. Divide and conquer are the watchwords of the successful colonist.
There’s really no problem with land, there’s plenty enough … Perhaps Israel needs Hamas. … Divide and conquer are the watchwords of the successful colonist.
Why would Israel possibly want to “colonize” Gaza? As you pointed out yourself, land isn’t a problem for Israel. Like most of Israel itself, Gaza has no water, no natural resources. And the people in Gaza are, on average, radicalized, intolerant, violent, and unskilled. Egypt didn’t want Gaza, Israel doesn’t want Gaza, and nobody wants the people of Gaza anywhere near them: not Israel, not Jordan, not Egypt, not any of the other Muslim nations.
I don’t think the Jews would accept that demand their removal.
What Israelis accept is doesn’t make a difference. It is what the people of Gaza accept that is the obstacle to peace.
They might come around to the right of return.
Palestinian Arabs who were living in the area that is now Israel at the time of its establishment in 1948, and their descendants, are already citizens of Israel.
That’s what the Palestinians are hoping for.
Well, it’s a false hope. The only way Palestinians are going to return to Israel or anywhere else is after demonstrating that they are peaceful, tolerant, and skilled. They’ll need to put in the work to achieve that. Attacks like 10/7 set them back decades.
That’s clear, but the Palestinian Authority or Hamas hasn’t ethnically cleansed Jews.
There are no Jews left in Gaza or “Palestinian territories”. What do you think happened to them?
There’s the rub. What are legitimate military objectives? Firing missiles into churches schools and hospitals on nothing more than groundless speculation is not legitimate.
Well, fortunately, Israel isn’t doing that.
This is the problem with democratic countries fighting wars. Israel doesn’t have the stomach to face an opponent willing to fight to the death in hand to hand street fighting.
Nor do they have any obligation to do so. Israel didn’t start this war, Hamas did.
"Why would Israel possibly want to “colonize” Gaza? "
Off shore gas reserves. Again, you really need to delve more deeply than relying on being spoonfed by American and Israeli sources. It's not difficult, and you've evidently got time to spare.
" Israel doesn’t want Gaza, and nobody wants the people of Gaza anywhere near them: not Israel, not Jordan, not Egypt, not any of the other Muslim nations."
The Palestinians are Israel's responsibility. I keep telling you that expecting the likes of Jordan or Egypt to step in and shoulder Israel's burden is not in the cards. Israel has to put on its big boy pants and deal with the problem, and not expect other nations to do their work for them.
"Palestinian Arabs who were living in the area that is now Israel at the time of its establishment in 1948, and their descendants, are already citizens of Israel. "
The problem is the refugees, those who fled the conflict, and wish to return. You really really should know this without me telling you.
"There are no Jews left in Gaza or “Palestinian territories”. What do you think happened to them?"
I know what happened to them. That's another area you should look into. Read some books.
"Well, fortunately, Israel isn’t doing that."
Meaning they're telling you they're not doing that. Two different things. Like someone beheading a baby and me telling you that someone is beheading a baby. Don't confuse the one with the other. And read a book, for god's sake.
"Israel didn’t start this war, Hamas did."
I've heard it all before. History started on Oct 7. Any other date is anti-semitic.
“Why would Israel possibly want to “colonize” Gaza? ”
Off shore gas reserves.
The total value of the gas in those reserves is about $3-5 billion, and that’s not even counting extraction costs. In comparison, Israel’s annual defense budget is $20 billion.
The problem is the refugees, those who fled the conflict, and wish to return.
Well, they shouldn’t have sided with the Muslim forces attacking Israel.
I’ve heard it all before. History started on Oct 7.
Not at all. The people in Gaza and the West Bank have been trying to destroy Israel and kill Jews since 1948. 10/7 is just the latest instance where they threw away their chance at peace, freedom, and dignity. Each time they do it, their situation gets worse. That's what happens when you use war and terrorism to try to achieve your aims.
Support of Palestinians is support for Hamas.
Correct.
Support of a ceasefire is support for Hamas.
Correct.
Questioning the historical context of the conflict is support for Hamas.
The historical context is clear: Palestinians want to ethnically cleanse the entire Middle East of Jews; they have said so, and that is why they have turned down all offers for a two state solution.
Ethnic cleansing on the West Bank and Gaza targets all Palestinians.
Nobody has been trying to "ethnically cleanse" the West Bank or Gaza. The only people advocating ethnic cleansing are the majority of Palestinians.
So do the genocidal policies which destroy housing and medical facilities in Gaza, as well as the denial of food, fuel and water.
Yes, you can blame Hamas for that.
"The only people advocating ethnic cleansing are the majority of Palestinians."
Wasn't it you who wanted Israel to force the whole of Gaza into the Sinai desert? What convinced you to change your mind?
"Yes, you can blame Hamas for that."
You could but it would be silly. It's Israel that controls access to Gaza, not the other way round.
"and that is why they have turned down all offers for a two state solution."
Palestinians want more than a state of their own. They want the right of return for the diaspora. Which Israel chooses not to grant. Hence the failures, up to now, of the attempts to solve the issue. You shouldn't satisfy yourself with parroting Israeli talking points, but delve a little deeper. It takes time and effort, I know.
Wasn’t it you who wanted Israel to force the whole of Gaza into the Sinai desert? What convinced you to change your mind?
Nothing changed my mind. I believe that is the only solution to the conflict. But my beliefs about the future of the region don't represent Israel's current goals.
You could but it would be silly. It’s Israel that controls access to Gaza, not the other way round.
The people of Gaza have plenty of fuel and food; Hamas is stocking it for its terrorists and not giving it to civilians.
Palestinians want more than a state of their own.
What they want is what they say they want: to remove Jews entirely "from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea". That is their stated objective. And that is at the heart of this conflict.
They want the right of return for the diaspora.
And they are not going to get it. They will have to do what everybody else had to do after WWII and deal with it. My family had to post WWII, as had millions of others. You don't get to return to places based on your ethnic identity, sorry, the world doesn't work that way.
"But my beliefs about the future of the region don’t represent Israel’s current goals."
It seems their current goals are to negotiate ceasefires and hostage exchanges with terrorists. But you continue to believe a happy future lies in the ethnic cleansing of non-Jews from Israel and the Palestinian territories. This is terribly naive. You really think Egypt is going to step up and clean Israel's mess?
"What they want is what they say they want: to remove Jews entirely “from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea”.
I don't think there's the remotest possibility of this ever happening. Do you? It appears you are mindlessly repeating propaganda talking points. Why would Israel's Jews allow a few thousand militia men to emerge from their tunnels and remove the Jews? There's something like 10 million of them and they are well armed. Put aside these fever dreams and think realistically. Palestinians want the right of return, something that the Israelis aren't yet willing to grant.
"The people of Gaza have plenty of fuel and food;"
You need water to survive. And Israel has cut the supply. You need to stay informed. Whatever sources you rely on aren't doing the job.
"You don’t get to return to places based on your ethnic identity, sorry, the world doesn’t work that way."
You should brush up on your international law. As I say, whoever you are relying on to keep you informed isn't doing their job.
But you continue to believe a happy future lies in the ethnic cleansing of non-Jews from Israel and the Palestinian territories.
You keep repeating that lie. Israel is 20% Muslim.
It appears you are mindlessly repeating propaganda talking points.
No, I am stating a simple fact: that is the demand the people in Gaza are making and that is why they have been unwilling to accept any diplomatic solution.
I don’t think there’s the remotest possibility of this ever happening. Do you?
I certainly do think it is a possibility; Israel was nearly wiped off the map twice before.
You need water to survive. And Israel has cut the supply.
Yes, Israel has cut it, but not cut it off. Full water will be delivered again as soon as Hamas surrenders, unconditionally.
You should brush up on your international law.
No, you need to brush up on your international law. I have no rights to go back to where my family came from. Neither do millions of other Europeans displaced after WWII. That's a fact.
It's also a fact that Israel has gained control of those territories because it conquered them when attacked without provocation.
And it is a fact that most of the people in Gaza have no connection to any lands in Israel, nor do they have any property rights to land in Israel.
"You keep repeating that lie. Israel is 20% Muslim. "
So your happy with Muslims living in Israel proper staying put, just the non-Jews living in Gaza and the West Bank and are to be sent to tent cities in Sinai. Is that your position?
" I have no rights to go back to where my family came from. "
You don't know what you're talking about. You're not a refugee. You don't live in a concentration camp. You are an American citizen. With a passport, and the whole shebang. Palestinians of Gaza have none of that. Palestinians in all the squalid refugee camps around the area don't have that. They are stateless and going home is the only just option for them. They have international law on their side.
"I certainly do think it is a possibility"
You are overestimating Hamas strength. It took them everything they had to pull off Oct. 7th and they took back some 250 hostages. Everyone else stood their ground and was eventually killed by the Israelis. In less than a day, the Israelis had everything under control, save the shock, loss of face and an ignominious career ender for Netanyahu. Your seriously raising the possibility of Hamas wiping out the entire Jewish population is just making you look silly. A victim and willing consumer of the most fevered propaganda. What about those headless babies? You aren't still pushing that garbage, are you?
"Yes, Israel has cut it, but not cut it off. Full water will be delivered again as soon as Hamas surrenders, unconditionally."
Collective punishment. International law. Do your homework.
"And it is a fact that most of the people in Gaza have no connection to any lands in Israel, nor do they have any property rights to land in Israel."
Most of Gazans are children born into a concentration camp run by Israel. That's their connection. That's why they're pissed off. That's why they commit atrocities like Oct. 7, and that's why they are willing to fight to the death for a chance at a life of freedom and dignity.
So your happy with Muslims living in Israel proper staying put, just the non-Jews living in Gaza and the West Bank and are to be sent to tent cities in Sinai. Is that your position?
Nobody is "happy" about the situation. But the people in Gaza have declared themselves enemies of Israel and have repeatedly refused to live peacefully in a multi-religious society. I simply don't see any alternative.
You’re not a refugee. You don’t live in a concentration camp. You are an American citizen.
Yes, and it took me a long time to get here.
Palestinians in all the squalid refugee camps around the area don’t have that. They are stateless and going home is the only just option for them. They have international law on their side.
They aren't "stateless" and they don't live in "refugee camps". International law assigned these people Jordan, the West Bank, and Gaza.
You are overestimating Hamas strength.
It is all of Israel's neighbors together who have been trying to wipe Israel off the map. Hamas is just collaborating with them.
Most of Gazans are children born into a concentration camp run by Israel.
Calling it a "concentration camp" is bullshit. Israel offered Gaza to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan, and both countries refused to incorporate those territories because neither wanted anything to do with the people living there or take responsibility for them and their actions.
Gaza has been a self-governing territory for two decades. Many Gazans were guest workers in Israel. Gaza could have developed like many other small, densely populated nations. Instead, it chose to fight Israel with terrorist attacks.
That’s why they’re pissed off. That’s why they commit atrocities like Oct. 7 and that’s why they are willing to fight to the death for a chance at a life of freedom and dignity.
And how is that working out for them?
The reason the people in Gaza are suffering is because fools like you tell them lies about their future, while totalitarian Islamic regimes fund their terrorism. Their actual future is bleak, and the longer this continues, the bleaker it gets.
"But the people in Gaza have declared themselves enemies of Israel and have repeatedly refused to live peacefully in a multi-religious society. I simply don’t see any alternative."
Of course they are enemies of Israel. What enslaved people see their enslavers as anything else? Are you this naive, or just ignorant?
"It is all of Israel’s neighbors together who have been trying to wipe Israel off the map. Hamas is just collaborating with them."
Are you completely uninformed? Hamas is fighting essentially alone. And actions like Oct. 7 fall far far short of wiping Israel off the map. Your repeated hysterical assertions to the contrary only underscore your ignorance of the situation.
"Calling it a “concentration camp” is bullshit. "
You don't know what a concentration camp is. The British confined populations to concentration camps during the Boer war, the Americans did the same to the Japanese during WWII. The Israelis have confined Palestinians in Gaza. They are not free to leave, there is no airport, no harbor, all their food, fuel and water is delivered at the discretion of the Israelis.
" and both countries refused to incorporate those territories because neither wanted anything to do with the people living there or take responsibility for them and their actions."
Obviously. The refugees are not the responsibility of Jordan or Egypt. It's Israel who is responsible. Jordan and Egypt don't want to be a party to Israel's ethnic cleansing. If Israel is at all interested in peace, they will give up on attempts to rely on their neighbors, and deal with their own issues themselves. They are a wealthy country with super power backing. There is no excuse.
"Gaza has been a self-governing territory for two decades. "
All food, water, fuel, medicine, and travel is at the discretion of Israel. I've repeatedly stated this. If you don't believe me, try consulting a source you trust. (I don't recommend American or Israel sources.)
"Their actual future is bleak, and the longer this continues, the bleaker it gets."
How do you come up with that? Support in America is at an all time low, the Muslim world is showing unprecedented unity against Israel, and Saudi Arabia is backing away from it's plans for relations with Israel, getting closer to Iran at the same time. Hamas has got Israel to agree to a hostage exchange and ceasefire, something Israel has resisted since Oct. 8. Hamas still has the capacity to kill multiple IDF soldiers and send rockets into Israeli cities. Granted civilians are killed in their thousands, and disease threatens to kill thousands more, but on the whole, it's Israel that seems under pressure, both domestically and internationally. Who is telling you otherwise? Who sees this conflict as a positive for Israel?
Of course they are enemies of Israel. What enslaved people see their enslavers as anything else?
They aren’t enslaved.
Hamas is fighting essentially alone. And actions like Oct. 7 fall far far short of wiping Israel off the map.
Hamas has been supported by Iran, Syria, and Qatar, among others. It is part of a broad coalition of hostile nations.
The Israelis have confined Palestinians in Gaza. They are not free to leave, there is no airport, no harbor, all their food, fuel and water is delivered at the discretion of the Israelis.
Gazans are free to leave Gaza, either via Egypt or via Israel. They simply can’t travel into Israel. The airport was closed due to the Second Intifada.
The refugees are not the responsibility of Jordan or Egypt.
Yes, they are. They became refugees because of the wars that Egypt and Jordan started against Israel. Furthermore, Jordan was supposed to be the country for Palestinian Muslims.
If Israel is at all interested in peace, they will give up on attempts to rely on their neighbors, and deal with their own issues themselves. They are a wealthy country with super power backing.
Israel has gone out of its way to try help Gaza for decades. The thanks they have been getting is violence.
And, hypothetically, if Gazans were free to travel into Israel and didn’t immediately go suicide bomber, so what? They own no property, have no communities in Israel, they are dirt poor, and they have no skills. Do you expect Israeli and US tax payers to give them money, houses, and educations too? Why?
All food, water, fuel, medicine, and travel is at the discretion of Israel. I’ve repeatedly stated this.
Yes, and if Gazans didn’t bomb Israelis, then food, water, fuel, medicine, and travel would be far less restricted.
How do you come up with that? Support in America is at an all time low, the Muslim world is showing unprecedented unity against Israel
The Muslim world is a powder keg run by totalitarian rulers. Their people are poor, and Muslims are murdering other Muslims in numbers that dwarf what’s happening in Gaza.
Hypothetically, if Muslim nations gain the upper hand and Gazans gain "the right of return", Israelis will simply leave, largely to the US and Europe. Israel would simply revert to a dirt poor, violent Middle Eastern shithole, like what happened to Lebanon. That way, the people of Gaza would lose as well.
Who is telling you otherwise? Who sees this conflict as a positive for Israel?
It’s you who is foolish enough to see this as a zero sum game. The conflict is, in fact, bad for Israel. But Hamas gives Israel no choice: Israel has no better course of action.
Palestinian Muslims could turn this into a positive sum game by actually swallowing their pride, accepting their situation, and slowly gaining the trust of Israelis by being peaceful if poor neighbors, even with all the restrictions Israel imposes.
"They aren’t enslaved."
Their lives are controlled by Israelis. That's why they dislike Israelis and are capable of preparing and carrying out the Oct. 7 attack. You should read about the restrictions placed on them. It might surprise you. You think they are free autonomous and self governing. This is due to your ignorance. I urge you to study the matter more thoroughly. Relying on Israeli and American sources simply isn't enough. Your every comment is ample proof.
"Hamas has been supported by Iran, Syria, and Qatar, among others."
Others like Israel. Bet you didn't know that the Netanyahu government delivers suitcases of cash to Hamas. And of course decades ago, the Israelis fostered and encouraged Hamas as a foil to Fatah who was seen as uncomfortably conciliatory in negotiations. Bet you weren't aware of any of this, yet another proof of the poverty of the sources you rely on and the disservice they are doing you.
"Gazans are free to leave Gaza,"
Gazans with foreign passports have a degree of freedom that most don't enjoy. Again, you'd know this if you took the effort to study up.
"Yes, and if Gazans didn’t bomb Israelis, then food, water, fuel, medicine, and travel would be far less restricted. "
I thought you prided yourself on your 'individual morality.' Now you're an apologist for collective punishment. Where are your principles?
"Israel has gone out of its way to try help Gaza for decades."
Whatever they've done, it falls far short of the freedom and dignity the Gazans desperately desire. Didn't the attacks of Oct. 7 make that clear to you? What more notice do you need?
"Do you expect Israeli and US tax payers to give them money, houses, and educations too? Why?"
It's not what I expect, it's what international law demands of them.
"Israel has no better course of action."
I disagree. A political solution negotiated in good faith is better than engaging in endless unwinnable wars that erode Israel with each massacre they perpetrate. Hamas can afford to perpetrate a massacre from time to time, and the world rallies behind them. Even young Jews of New York and marching beside Muslims and Christians and others under the banner of Palestine.
"Palestinian Muslims could turn this into a positive sum game by actually swallowing their pride, accepting their situation,"
You're not paying attention. The perpetrators of Oct. 7 have no intention of swallowing their pride and accepting their situation. The are willing to give their lives fighting Israel. More than willing. You can't be so obtuse not to realize this.
I disagree. A political solution negotiated in good faith
A political solution negotiated in good faith is impossible because there are no good faith negotiators on the Gazan side, as 75 years of negotiations have shown. That is why we are where we are.
You’re not paying attention. The perpetrators of Oct. 7 have no intention of swallowing their pride and accepting their situation. The are willing to give their lives fighting Israel. More than willing. You can’t be so obtuse not to realize this.
No, you’re not paying attention. People like you are always noisy, but you don’t get to call the shots.
Show me examples where strategies like Hamas's have resulted in prosperity, freedom, and dignity. All terrorism and armed resistance can achieve is to make people hate you so much that they leave.
The consequence of 10/7 is that the Israeli government will go in and kill every Hamas member they can find, with the backing of large numbers of voters.
The consequence of 10/7 is also that increasing numbers of Europeans and Americans are opposing any further immigration from, or support of, Muslims from the Middle East.
“And, hypothetically, if Gazans were free to travel into Israel and didn’t immediately go suicide bomber, so what? They own no property, have no communities in Israel, they are dirt poor, and they have no skills. Do you expect Israeli and US tax payers to give them money, houses, and educations too? Why?”
It’s not what I expect, it’s what international law demands of them.
This is very interesting. Can you cite the international law saying that rich people are obligated to give “money, houses, and educations” to random strangers?
I think you’re confusing socialist dogma with international law.
"A political solution negotiated in good faith is impossible"
There's no need to be so pessimistic. The two sides were able to negotiate a truce and several extensions, as well as hostage exchanges. Baby steps, and building of trust and relationships are key to long term solution. I suspect a stumbling block is PM Netanyahu, who knows his days in office are numbered, and will be ejected and maybe jailed once the hostilities die down. So, he probably wants to keep the fighting going indefinitely.
"No, you’re not paying attention."
I disagree.
"Show me examples where strategies like Hamas’s have resulted in prosperity, freedom, and dignity. "
The Israelis have a long history of appeasing terrorism. You need to read other sources than the ones you favor. Netanyahu traded over 1000 Palestinian hostages for one Israeli GI a few years back. I think even the sources you rely on must have covered this, even if you've conveniently forgotten it.
"Can you cite the international law saying that rich people are obligated to give “money, houses, and educations” to random strangers?"
Israel is obliged to deal with their refugees. It was a condition they agreed to when they joined the UN. The UN has routinely urged them to come to terms ever since. The US is not obligated. They're just along for the ride. For more details, consult the UN resolutions on the issue.
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Being a Jew, like being a woman or black, comes with this constant temptation to invoke the power of the crowd in your favor by crying bigotry or abuse. In infuriating little moments where you feel totally powerless, eg customer service disputes, you always have this sinister option deep in your mind; a sort of power drunkenness, of what you “could do” to this person if you wanted.
Progressive “Jewish” institutions exist to inflame claims of victimhood without verifying them, whereas real Jewish institutions, like the one below, fight against them. I wrote about one of these instances at USC Chabad, where a giant car top menorah was stolen by some drunk frat bros and global “Jewish” orgs wanted to manufacture a huge story about antisemitism on campus, but the Chabad rabbi allowed the boys to return the menorah and refused to identify them or make a stink.
When you create a society where accusing someone of racism/sexism/antisemitism is equivalent to accusing them of a witch (or a communist) in times past, the weak and morally uninterested among us have every incentive to invoke that power to their personal benefit, even if it means destroying some random clerk, frat bro, or small business owner. We have almost no societal code or incentive structure, no immune system yet, to prevent this obviously glaring example of Murphy’s Law: when you give people the power to easily destroy others, some people are going to use it to their personal advantage.
BUT, every time you use it, you feel hollow. You don’t need society to tell you it’s wrong; society barely notices anyway (think for eg about false rape accusers who are always quickly forgotten if names at all)—in fact in most instances society wants you to abuse your identity-based destructive powers. But, since you’re a spiritual being, you’re STILL aware it’s wrong and you get this sense of dread. You know it’s a betrayal of your children and their children.
The good news is that society is now on its way to developing a strong immunity against abuse of identity privilege. Hopefully there will be an increase in based organizations whose only goal is to strongly condemn and issue PR campaigns not on support of “cancellation” claims, but against those who misuse them.
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When you create a society where accusing someone of racism/sexism/antisemitism is equivalent to accusing them of a witch (or a communist) in times past, the weak and morally uninterested among us have every incentive to invoke that power to their personal benefit, even if it means destroying some random clerk, frat bro, or small business owner.
Where was this person since 2015? And I'm not saying that as a veiled accusation, I'm honestly curious. Because everyone I'm familiar with that wrote this way was written off as some alt-right-righty Nazi. So is this person someone who JUST woke up to this crap, or has she always had this position but I just haven't heard of her.
And again, I only ask because I've certainly been treated to a fair share of blue-check Jews who seem to be miffed that they supported BLM and Antifa in 2020-2023, and now are shocked to discover that BLM and Antifa are doing what BLM and Antifa do.
I don't know his background, but this particular thought is a bit more optimistic than I am.
I have no doubt whatsoever that the jews so annoyed by BLM siding with Hamas will jump right back on the open borders crusade as they hype up the threat of "white supremacy"
I'm going on an open borders crusade.
*puts on white surcoat with red cross*
"DEUS VULT!"
https://twitter.com/NapoleonBonabot/status/1729532671657697591?t=acFPibUQwYPhDVLy2jaeCw&s=19
The Crusades were justified and didn’t go far enough
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https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1729306965841473807?t=RVIacwQikQYqzg6z9OO8ZQ&s=19
Random Fun Fact: I was SWATTED 7 hours after sharing this post:
“Ex-Mossad agent Ari Ben-Menashe stated Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell worked for the government of Israel to blackmail American politicians with recorded child abuse.
He also disclosed Jeffrey Epstein’s verified relationship with the former Israel PM Ehud Barak’s relations”
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Ehud Barak is a very dangerous man; he is poison to Israel.
He uses Mossad like his own little Gestapo.
I'm convinced that the reason Mossad ignored the threat Hamas presented in October was because they planned to let an attack happen to discredit Likud.
It just happened to be far fucking bigger than they expected.
$50 to ask Nardz: If Hamas had managed to assassinate Netanyahu, would Intelligence Directors conveniently overlooking threats that led to the assassination of elected national leaders constitute a Judeo-Christian tradition dating back to the Mid-20th Century or no?
That's your territory, you're the one who objects to framing anything in any way contrary to how the powers that be have decreed.
Fuck all the way off. 1 instance of Palestinian censorship against 16 million examples of Israeli censorship is not a crisis.
Omens are a thing
https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1729630316338237638?t=yb7tqb8rrB5Kfi4YDn8LIg&s=19
#BREAKING: The White House National Christmas Tree Has Fallen
#Washington | #DC
The National Christmas Tree, where President Joe Biden was scheduled to deliver the Christmas tree lighting, has been toppled over after a significant gust of wind occurred, according to the National Park Service. The incident on the White House Ellipse, and crews are actively working to carefully lift and secure the tree back into place. The National Park Service is currently evaluating the condition of the National Christmas Tree. Officials at the National Park state that the show will still go on as scheduled on Thursday.
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