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Israel

58 Hostages Freed

Plus: China's "leftover women," Kamala's gas stove, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 11.27.2023 9:30 AM

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Ceasefire extension? Last week, Israel and Hamas agreed to a four-day ceasefire and a deal in which Hamas would release 50 of the hostages taked October 7 in exchange for 150 Palestinians being held in Israeli prisons.

Since then, 39 of those 50 hostages have been freed, and 117 Palestinian prisoners—all women or people 18 and under—have been returned to Gaza.

Separate negotiations have yielded the release of 19 additional Hamas hostages, including 17 Thais, one Filipino, and one Russian-Israeli. That brings the total count of freed October 7 hostages to 58.

The very last round of releases was supposed to happen today, but Qatari negotiators say it is likely to be held up. A not-insignificant number of hostages are apparently being held by separate terrorist groups, making it hard for Hamas to locate the remainder of the captives.

In addition to Hamas' struggles with locating these prisoners, other problems are holding up the final release and casting doubt on the idea that an extension is possible. "Israel and Hamas each signaled a willingness over the weekend to prolong their truce if it allowed for more hostages and Palestinian detainees to be freed," reports The New York Times. "But both sides have taken issue with the names presented by the other for the final day of exchanges under the deal."

Prisoners held by Israel: When the terms of the deal were first released last week, many observers in the West reacted with some surprise at the idea that Israel was holding hundreds of Palestinian woman and children in prisons. Now, there's a media criticism story playing out concurrently, with Israel supporters accusing some publications of sugarcoating the crimes of some of the Palestinian prisoners.

Take, for example, Israa Jaabees, who The New York Times describes as a "disfigured woman whose case has become well known" who was "accused of attempted murder" after "her car exploded at a checkpoint near Jerusalem in the West Bank." Note the passive voice, and the "accused" (with no mention of a conviction).

Israeli authorities say that she detonated a car bomb in an act of terrorism at a checkpoint near Israeli police, permanently disabling one officer. Her lawyer says this was a case of attempted suicide-by-cop, not terrorism, though Israeli authorities also claim that she had expressed support for "martyrs" and yelled "Allahu Akbar" as this was all happening. She was convicted in court and spent the next eight years in Israeli prison, petitioning the Israeli authorities to pay for her facial reconstruction surgery, which they rejected. (The gall!)

This seeming inability to tell the full story has led to lots of criticism of the media.

There are surely cases where the offense was nowhere near as bad as this, or where overly broad crackdowns on incitement ended up imprisoning Palestinians for mere acts of speech. Still, reporters do themselves no favors when they neglect to mention the most damning parts of Jaabees' record. Similarly, the "children" held in Israeli prisons are not 4-year-olds—the age of some of the hostages that Hamas took—but 16- and 17-year-olds, many of them convicted of violent terrorist activities.


Scenes from New York: 

Activists from Jewish Voice for Peace, an anti-Zionist group, shut down the Manhattan Bridge for several hours yesterday, blocking cars from getting across on the Manhattan side. 

It's unclear to me how these street shutdowns actually achieve the desired goal.


QUICK HITS

  • "Should people have the right to say awful things without facing legal consequences?" asks Jay Caspian Kang in The New Yorker. (Yes. Next question.)
  • Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who was convicted of killing George Floyd, was stabbed in prison on Friday.
  • Chinese state propaganda refers to working women above the age of 27, who are unmarried and do not have kids, as "leftover women." Here is a fascinating read about how they're charting their own paths, and how the state is struggling to reverse its baby bust.
  • Three Palestinian-American men were shot in Vermont over the weekend in what is being investigated as a hate crime.
  • Come out to tonight's screening of (Reason producer and my Livestream co-host) Zach Weissmueller's new bitcoin mining documentary.
  • Surely a prominent Democrat like Kamala Harris hasn't been caught redhanded with an illicit gas stove:

Is that a gas stove? ???? https://t.co/ElwpYe8kql

— Rep. Mike Collins (@RepMikeCollins) November 24, 2023

  • Under no circumstances does the FTC need to be investigating whether a shitty-sandwich-shop monopoly is being created:

We don't need another private equity deal that could lead to higher food prices for consumers. The @FTC is right to investigate whether the purchase of @SUBWAY by the same firm that owns @jimmyjohns and @McAlistersDeli creates a sandwich shop monopoly. https://t.co/mAFuuFYA5A

— Elizabeth Warren (@SenWarren) November 26, 2023

  • A "61 year old US-born doctor has his citizenship revoked after trying to renew his passport," writes Alex Nowrasteh on Twitter/X. "Why? His dad worked at the embassy when he was born, but he was still granted citizenship. There should be a statute of limitations for revoking citizenship in these cases."
  • This:

The trick to being a good "transit Twitter" person is tweeting a diagram of an unrealizable $80 trillion mega project with a caption like "not having this is a policy choice"

— Christian Britschgi (@christianbrits) November 26, 2023

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    "Should people have the right to say awful things without facing legal consequences?" asks Jay Caspian Kang in The New Yorker.

    Journalism in America.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      And the answer is no as the NYT justified the Mackey conviction, still states trump incited a riot, brings up the fine good people lie all the time, etc.

      1. Rob Misek   2 years ago (edited)

        15000 Palestinian civilians including 10000 women and children have been slaughtered by Jews in Gaza. They’ve specifically targeted vulnerable civilians in refugee camps, hospitals, schools and their homes. The destruction there is total.

        The ceasefire should have resulted in media coverage showing the world its first glimpse of the total destruction Jews have done with our aid. We had front row seats to a media bonanza of shock and awe when Iraq was invaded. Our media propaganda is complicit with Jewish crimes against humanity with its absence from gaza during this ceasefire.

        This genocide is the work of the Israeli government for Jews.

        Our veterans didn’t die so we could be a party to this. Our support for these Israeli terrorists spits in the faces of our fallen soldiers.

        You may want to be a party to this Jewish apartheid, genocide and crimes against humanity in Palestine but I don’t and will always oppose it. It’s long overdue that we stand up to and stop these terrorist Jews. We will be judged for all history by our actions or inaction.

        Here is proof of the plans they are currently implementing for all the world to recognize. The Jews final solution for Palestinians. It’s not a plan to rescue hostages. It’s a plan to kill and forcibly displace an entire population of people that Jews have been oppressing for 75 years.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_paper:_Options_for_a_policy_regarding_Gaza%27s_civilian_population

        Jews have been fantasizing about and claiming to be victims of holocausts for over 100 years. Accusing others of committing genocide and crimes against humanity against them. Only in their case to falsely raise money and sympathy to steal Palestine and oppress and terrorize Palestinians. Now they’re realizing their dream and true nature in Gaza.

        They have threatened to use nukes they aren’t supposed to have and are demonstrating that they are the worst group of people on earth.

        Who could ever again be coerced by the term antisemitism? Jews have earned that recognition with their genocide and crimes against humanity in gaza. It’s recorded for all time never to be obfuscated or forgotten.

        Fuck you piece of shit lying waste of skin terrorist Jews.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Thanks rep Tlaib.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

            I could imagine Herr Misek in drag, either as a Muslim woman or as the female Sheriff’s Deputy doing the delousing on this video with Charlie’s Angels.

            Undercover Angel–Alan O’Day. (Fast Forward to 1:30–2:05)
            https://youtu.be/KMW5xam4sRo?si=OFtPWbxJB9qPjTES
            🙂
            😉

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Does the drag feature a flourishing cape?

              1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

                It does if we're talking about Klinger Rev. Artie.
                🙂
                😉

        2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Should people have the right to say awful things without facing legal consequences?

          Misek does it all the time.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            Yet he also wants legal consequences for people who assert the reality of The Holocaust,

        3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Don't start a war of annihilation you're not willing to suffer the repercussions of, Mizerk.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            Veeery interesting spelling. Mizerk is indeed berzerk.
            🙂
            😉

            1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

              Misek is either a legit maniac, or just a tiresome troll.

        4. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

          Oh, you're back from Stromfront.

          Listen, why not fly your sorry, pathetic antisemite ass to Beirut, and hop a boat ride to Khan Younis. I hear they might need help. Good luck.

        5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Misek wants to eliminate all the Jooz like the Nazis totally didn't try to do.

        6. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

          15000 Palestinian civilians including 10000 women and children have been slaughtered by Jews in Gaza.

          What is a good start? for $200.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

            Now look, don’t give Misek added fuel for his lunacy, especially since these numbers are pulled out of his ass.

            No amount of civilian deaths of anyone is good, but they happen in war and in this case, Hamas bears primary and ultimate responsibility.

            1. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

              I'm just trolling the Nazi asshole, because he pulled numbers out of his ass.

              1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

                Oh, I see.

                Really, when you think about it, if Herr Misek and his ilk ever did finish off the Jews, they would move on to others. If Jews are disposable, and the foot soldiers in the war on Jews are disposable, then categories get kinda blurry after awhile.

                Hell, as The Wickedly Great One's final act demonstrated, Nazis regarded themselves as disposable. "The Common Good Over The Individual Good."

            2. Rob Misek   2 years ago

              Your unfiltered perspective is good ammunition but the irrefutable facts that Jews can’t hide are better.

              Hahaha

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Run along back to Stormfront, fucktard.

              2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

                My unfiltered vision tells me that Hamas is ultimately responsible for all the carnage happening now in Israel and Gaza.

                My unfiltered vision also tells me that you are a Jew-hating Nazi.

                So Fuck Off, Nazi!

        7. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

          And more will die until Gaza unconditionally surrenders.

        8. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          If you're such an Aryan Pure Superman, why do you need to use copypasta as your crutch instead of writing some original Jew-Hatred?

          Fuck Off, Nazi!

          1. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

            Aryan pure super man?

            Super duper super men!

        9. Djmcg55   2 years ago

          You seem to have missed the fact that any "innocent Palestinians" were being used as shields by Hamas. What about Hamas using hospitals to store munitions and protect their tunnels and safe rooms?
          Hamas has a middle aged mentality and the Palestinians have accepted their brutality and subjugation. In a manner of speaking: They got what they voted for.

          1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

            The difference between a civilized society and a terrorist is that one doesn’t shoot human shields and the other does.

            15000 Palestinian civilians including 10000 women and children.

            Fuck you piece of shit lying waste of skin terrorist Jews.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              Perhaps they were just taking orders.

              1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                Hahaha

                1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

                  I’m imagining you sitting in your filthy apartment laughing at nothing in particular, clutching your waifu pillow.

                  Correct no?

        10. Sevo   2 years ago

          "15000 Palestinian civilians including 10000 women and children have been slaughtered by Jews in Gaza. They’ve specifically targeted vulnerable civilians in refugee camps, hospitals, schools and their homes. The destruction there is total."

          Fuck you piece of shit lying waste of skin terrorist Nazi scum.

        11. No Beret   2 years ago

          Seems like they should have elected a less confrontational government, and none of this would be happening.

          BTW, there is already a Comedian Dave Smith out there, you could be one of his writers.

          Lastly, didn't Gaza have insurance?

          1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

            15000 civilians including 10000 women and children slaughtered by Jews in Gaza.

            It’s your legacy and your cowardly shame, never to be forgotten or obfuscated for all time. Get used to it.

            Fuck you piece of shit lying waste of skin terrorist Jews.

            1. No Beret   2 years ago

              Israel didn't slaughter anybody. Those people died because of Hamas.

              And you don't sound very nice either.

              1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                You’re a lying waste of skin.

                JEWS fired at those civilians in refugee camps, hospitals, schools and their homes KILLING THEM!

                Jews can’t abdicate their responsibility in this slaughter.

                Their plans to kill and forcibly displace the entire population of Palestinians in Gaza is public. Link above.

                These crimes of genocide and crimes against humanity perpetrated BY JEWS cannot be ignored.

                Jews never deserved to be given Palestine, stolen by the west. They have occupied and oppressed the Palestinians for 75 years.

                Jews demonstrate that they are the terrorists in Palestine and THEY not the Palestinians need to be punished for their crimes and the land returned to Palestinians.

                The world sees you now.

                1. No Beret   2 years ago

                  The problem with your plan is the Jews don't want to be exterminated.

                  Hamas could stop operating out of hospitals and schools, and your denial doesn't change that.

                  Israel hasn't occupied Gaza for years, until Hamas broke the cease fire.

                  You never answered about insurance.

                  Educate yourself.

                  1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                    Educate yourself and challenge your bigotry. Watch the three minute segment of the video I’ve presented below. After all, it is a prominent Jew speaking.

                    You’re a lying waste of skin.
                    The mainstream media is complicit with the genocide and crimes against humanity committed by Jews and advocated by the west. We should be seeing videos of the total destruction in Gaza. The bombed refugee camps, hospitals, schools and homes. Interviewing the families of the 15000 slaughtered.

                    The Israeli government plan to kill and forcibly displace the entire entire Palestinian population in Gaza should be front page news.

                    Instead all we see is the language of propaganda. Dozens of CHILDREN held indefinitely by Jews are “prisoners” while Jews held by Palestinians are “hostages”.

                    Miko Peled is an Israeli, an author, a public speaker and the son of a famous Israeli general.

                    He is also opposed apartheid, genocide and crimes against humanity committed by Jews in Palestine.

                    Between 40:40 and 43:45 in the video he describes a poignant example of previous Israeli terrorism. As terrible as It is, it pales in comparison to what Jews are doing now.

                    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ

        12. AT   2 years ago

          15000 Palestinian civilians including 10000 women and children have been slaughtered

          This is what Hamas/Iran wants. This is literally their strategy. They don't care how many Arab (let alone Jewish) civilians die. Their goal is to win over people like you, by enraging you with civilian casualties through western media, academia, and entertainment.

          They want to make their conditions so atrocious and horrific, that you demand "peace" and let them continue getting away with belligerent actions. And it's working - they have clearly won you over.

          If you're really so concerned with these people, you'd want Hamas - and Iran - beaten so brutally and with such finality that they never rise again.

          1. Rob Misek   2 years ago (edited)

            “This is what Hamas/Iran wants.“

            So stupid piece of shit lying waste of skin terrorist Jews are doing what those 15,000 dead and 40000 wounded vulnerable civilians slaughtered in their refugee camps, hospitals, schools and homes want them to.

            Jews are committing atrocities, genocide and crimes against humanity all of which will follow them in their cowardly shame forever as an act of goodwill.

            That’s a pretty fucked up perspective even for a lying waste of skin Jew.

            Hahaha

        13. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

          Wow, you've got a real case of jew hate going there. Have you thought about medication for your jew hate? I hear drinking a jug of bleach does wonders for your condition.

          1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

            I hate the behaviour of apartheid, genocide and crimes against humanity by anyone.

            Which Jews have planned and are doing for all the world to hate also. Jews just don’t learn.

            Why don’t you?

      2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        Mackey was free to say awful things, but not to do awful things.

        1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

          What were the awful things that Mackey did?

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Government never found a single victim he tricked.

            1. DesigNate   2 years ago

              Of course they didn’t, because not even shrike is so mind numbingly stupid that he would fall for that meme, and he’s the same guy who routinely posts articles that refute his argument.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Well, if they are dedicated progressives, then sure. All others will be re-educated. Or eliminated.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who was convicted of killing George Floyd, was stabbed in prison on Friday.

    Did the guards keep bystanders from rendering aid?

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

      Here’s another bad thing that’s thankfully having a rough time in prisons: Compulsory religious indoctrination.

      West Virginia removes 12-step recovery programs for inmate release. What does it mean?
      https://www.yahoo.com/news/west-virginia-removes-12-step-100419009.html

      If someone commits a crime under the influence of alcohol or drugs, punish them good and don’t permit a “diminished capacity” defense, but don’t let Government play with people’s minds without their consent!

      And, of course, if peaceful use of alcohol or drugs is the only reason a person is in jail or prison, that should not be classified as a crime and the person should be free!

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Chinese state propaganda refers to working women above the age of 27, who are unmarried and do not have kids, as "leftover women."

    The Life of Julia, it ain't. Or maybe it is.

    1. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

      Those are called "cat women" in the US.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

        Cat ladies. Not to be confused with cougars.

        1. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

          Ask a Zoomer: They are "cat moms".

    2. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      Not Christmas cakes?

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Ah, cruel Japanese wit.

    3. Anomalous   2 years ago

      Who among us hasn't eaten leftover Chinese?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Rep Swalwell.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          He kinda had his fresh.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Yeah, and you'll be hungry for it again in an hour.
        🙂
        😉

    4. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      As opposed to the not-working 27 year old women (and men) still living at mom's house. We call them "losers".

    5. Rubbish!   2 years ago

      I had Chinese leftovers this weekend. Don't tell the wife!

    6. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Chinese state propaganda refers to working women above the age of 27, who are unmarried and do not have kids, as “leftover women.”

      Now *that's* how you fucking patriarchy!

    7. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Any leftover for me? 27 is pretty young by modern standards with anti-aging regimens.
      🙂
      😉

  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Three Palestinian-American men were shot in Vermont over the weekend in what is being investigated as a hate crime.

    Who would want to colonize Vermont?

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago (edited)

      Wrong spot

    2. Chumby   2 years ago

      Ethan Allen? Oh wait.

      1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

        Mountain color is the most important thing.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Ethan Allen was a Deist who wrote Reason: The Only Oracle of Man., This is 100 percent off from Islam which regards Muhammad as the last and greatest Prophet of Allah and after Muhammad there is no other.

        If Ethan Allen's thinking still prevails in Yankee Country, any prospective Jihadis will have The New Green Mountain Boys to fear.

    3. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Perhaps they were mistaken for Sikhs?

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        That could be and it's so contemptibly stupid when incidents like that happen.

        Sikhism is Vendantic in origin and Islam is Abrahamic, and while there were Sikh nationalist terrorists in the Eighties wanting an independent Punjab, Sikhs don't seek to impose their religion on non-believers.

        Two Sikh brothers I worked with in the store a few years ago were the sweetest, kindest fellows anybody would want to meet. Though we would never see eye-to-eye on the Supernatural, I would gladly be the Johnny Quest to their Hadji Singh.

    4. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      A gastroenterologist?

    5. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Cordyceps militaris?

  5. R Mac   2 years ago

    “She was convicted in court and spent the next eight years in Israeli prison, petitioning the Israeli authorities to pay for her facial reconstruction surgery, which they rejected. (The gall!)”

    Now we get to pay for it, plus 10% for the big guy, most likely.

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      For a Muslima, she sure has a lot of Chutzpah.
      🙂
      😉

  6. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Surely a prominent Democrat like Kamala Harris hasn't been caught redhanded with an illicit gas stove...

    "It is for your sake that we warm the milk and sauté those apples on an instantly adjustable flame."

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      How is it illicit? Allegedly dangerous and excessively carbon-emitting, but not illegal.

      But you knew that.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        I have spotted the humorless lib scold with two much NPR time under his belt.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Or not enough and that's why he's cranky.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Are you retarded? If so, let me explain. Cackles represents a party that totally doesn't but really would if they could ban gas stoves. Thus if Cackles actually has one, normal people might see that as hypocritical, and worth calling out.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Aren't there enough hypocritical things she's done without getting your panties in a bunch over things she hasn't done?

          1. Minadin   2 years ago

            She and her party want to ban gas stoves for most everyone. Her home area's local government, which is run by her party and she used to be part of, has ALREADY done this. They are proposing similar restrictions in other places as we speak.

            And, she hasn't even done her part by voluntarily making the switch herself. Yes, it's worth criticising. If they really believe that it's SO IMPORTANT that they must force that decision upon those of us who won't do it by choice, should they not be expected to make that first step themselves? And if they don't, should we not question whether they truly believe that it's important?

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              At this point can the lefts hypocrisy be anything more than them getting off on being hypocrites.

            2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

              I assume you're referring to San Francisco?

              San Francisco has not "banned gas stoves for most everyone". The Bay Area Air Quality Management District (which includes the City and County of San Francisco) has banned the future sale of gas furnaces and water heaters from 2027/2031, but the ban notably excludes gas cooking equipment.

              But, I know you're supposed to be suitably outraged about the "gas stove ban", so I will let you get back to it.

              1. Minadin   2 years ago

                https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/liberal-celebrity-chef-exempt-from-gas-stove-ban-california-city-says/

                https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1654439385754992640

              2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                Here's a test. Let's pick another polarizing political figure: Trump. Now what hypocritical statements are you willing to forgive him?

              3. Minadin   2 years ago

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/05/03/newyork-gas-ban-climate-change/

                https://nypost.com/2023/01/09/biden-administration-reportedly-weighing-national-ban-on-gas-stoves/

              4. Minadin   2 years ago

                https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ringleader-gas-stove-crackdown-speak-house-democrats-annual-conference

                There, a wide range of sources.

                Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  Only one of those citations counts per Jeff.

              5. Minadin   2 years ago

                https://reason.com/2023/01/27/after-backlash-against-proposed-gas-stove-ban-progressives-are-gaslighting-america/

                https://earthjustice.org/press/2020/san-francisco-commits-to-all-electric-new-homes-and-buildings-as-movement-gains-steam

              6. Minadin   2 years ago

                https://www.kqed.org/science/1971356/san-jose-and-oakland-ban-gas-in-new-buildings

                https://www.nrdc.org/bio/pierre-delforge/berkeley-passes-nations-1st-all-electric-building-ordinance

      3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        As Claire Wolfe always ominously said: "...Yet!"

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    We don't need-

    Stop right there.

    Who's this "we"? Does Liz have a mouse in her pocket?

    1. Anomalous   2 years ago

      ...no education

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      The commies all hate a monopoly except for one.

    3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Could I be the mouse?
      🙂
      😉

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Are you carrying bubonic plague?

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          Of course not! I'm a modern, Modest Mouse and wouldn't bite at all.
          🙂

      2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Mickey Mouse becomes public domain on Jan. 1st.

        1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

          The black-and-white version or all versions?

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            I predict decades of court battles over questions like that.

  8. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "shitty-sandwich-shop monopoly"

    More trollish food takes from Reason.com! 🙂

    Red Baron frozen pizza isn't as miraculous as you said yesterday, and Subway isn't as bad as you're saying today.

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      They tried to sandwich in those two takes.

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        3/10.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          You have a rye sense of humor.

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            White privilege

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              The upper crust.

              1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                I should have gotten that one, I guess I was loafing.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        They need to wrap it up.

      3. Rubbish!   2 years ago

        A rising crust lifts all votes.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Crumby pun.

    2. R Mac   2 years ago

      Does Subway even offer a Cuban sandwich?

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Nobody knows!

      2. Chumby   2 years ago

        Sorta of. There is a female sandwich artist there that will make a Cuban if you pump her nickels long enough.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          So where are these Nickels? Are they pasties or more like Ben-Wa balls?
          🙂
          😉

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      She didn't say that. Perhaps, the other two drag Subway down to "shitty" status once they are accounted for.

      Btw, Subway is shitty.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Somehow Fauxahontas forgets there are other alternatives: Jersey Mike's, Firehouse Subs, Charley's, not to mention every burger joint out there from McDonald's to Five Guys, Portillo's, etc.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          No Charley’s around here, but otherwise Jersey Mikes is superior to all.

          1. Jefferson Paul   2 years ago

            I used to agree, but a year ago I ate a Chipotle Cheesesteak from Jersey Mike's and got so sick.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              So it accurately represented a Chipotle Burrito?

            2. R Mac   2 years ago

              That’s what my wife gets and she’s never gotten sick. Personally it’s the og Italian Mike’s way plus spicy mustard and jalapeños for me.

      2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

        Jimmy John’s is good, and McAlisters is excellent (and a deli, and therefore not a sub shop)

    4. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      They can buy the sandwich shops as long as they have the bread.

    5. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Any good Reason contributor can get the readership to indict a Subway Sandwich.

    6. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      The Red Baron boosterism was Peter Suderman's and the Subway bashing was Liz Wolfe's. Perhaps they should have a Reason podcast or Oxford Debate to hash this out.

    7. Chumby   2 years ago

      Whenever the good Liz finds a yummy sandwich shop, I’m sure she will wolfe down their offerings.

  9. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

    Reuters: "Hamas releases 13 more Israeli soldiers..." consisting of woman and toddlers...after getting ratioed, they corrected their "error" (these errors only ever seem to go one way).

    And there's this turn of phrase...

    Leo Varadkar
    @LeoVaradkar
    This is a day of enormous joy and relief for Emily Hand and her family. An innocent child who was lost has now been found and returned, and we breathe a massive sigh of relief. Our prayers have been answered.

    TBH, I had to look it up to see who this clown was, seems to be another leftist saying things to cover for Hamas.

    Leo Varadkar is an Irish politician who has served as Taoiseach since December 2022, and previously from 2017 to 2020. He is the first openly gay and ethnic minority leader of Ireland, and the first Taoiseach to be from an ethnic minority in Ireland. He is also the leader of Fine Gael.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Connor McGregor went off on this comment. Of course the government is now investigating him for online hate speech since he criticized the politician.

    2. Rubbish!   2 years ago

      I knew a Fine Gael from Ireland. She was a red-haired beauty, she was.

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        Hear about the two gay Irish guys? Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael?

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          Aye, they're versatile, B'gosh!

          Well, at least we know why their Irish eyes are smilin' and it's not from looking through a scope,
          🙂
          😉

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Yeah, Leo's a real fucking piece of work, constantly complaining that there's too many white people in a nation that's 94% white. You know he was absolutely gleeful that those little kids were stabbed, just like all the Pali-taint lickers in acaemia were happy the people in the kbbutz were killed.

      Oh well, you stupid micks, you're the ones who stayed in the EU just to spite Perfidious Albion.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        They're a completely separate country. They'd need to have their own vote, as Brexit could have only ever possibly applied to Northern Ireland.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Some Brexiteers complained that Ireland should have followed the UK out of the EU, if the resulting N.I. situation was indeed unsolvable.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          I'm aware. That's what I'm saying, that the only reason mainland Ireland stays in the EU is specifically because Great Britian left it, even though it would actually be to their benefit to leave.

          I keep hoping that welfare queen Scotland will actually declare its independence in order to go to the EU, but apparently the EU's welfare programs aren't as lucrative as Britian's.

          1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

            The EU has been much more beneficial to Ireland than its previous association with Great Britain was...

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              Has it? Or has it just been colonization and subjugation under another name?

              1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                Gosh, someone please tell the Irish! Some 70-90% of them seem to support their country's continued EU membership.

                I know, I know. "False consciousness" explains why the Irish people fail to recognize EU inequality, oppression and exploitation. Marx was right, right?

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              LOL, yeah, congratulations to them--they spent hundreds of years trying to gain independence from Britain, only to subsume themselves to a continental conglomerate. That showed 'em.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Sometimes the Irish (and Scots) foolishly cut off their nose to spite their face where the English are concerned.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Perhaps when these non-white invaders told us they plan to remake each country in their own image, we should have believed them.

    4. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago (edited)

      ““And I know Prime Minister Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel, promised ‘mighty vengeance’, his words not mine ‘mighty vengeance’. But that is valid I think when it comes to Hamas, the terrorists who killed those 1,400 people in Israel, it’s not when it comes to Palestinian civilians. And far too many have been killed already in this conflict in my view, and certainty Ireland is using our voice.”

      Leo Varadkar, “covering for Hamas” three weeks ago.

      Dang, you people are easily manipulated!

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

        Was half wondering, as when I read it, I got more Christian overtones than Hamas sympathizer with his choice of words.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        LOL, this fork-tongued piece of shit knows damn well that this is how war is conducted. As if Israel is going to use special smart munitions that read minds to know if that specific person is a Hamas soldier or not.

        Hamas knew what they were kicking off with this. Of course all their crocodile tears are typical Palestinian ethnonarcissistic entitlement.

      3. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago (edited)

        Dang, you people are easily manipulated!

        ObviouslyNotSpam 23 mins ago Flag Comment Mute User How is it illicit? Allegedly dangerous and excessively carbon-emitting, but not illegal.

        Who is easily manipulated?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Yes, but that's different because carbon dioxide is now a deadly toxin.

        2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          I didn't think I would need to spell it out, but the OP, and the borderline unhinged reactions of those who followed have been manipulated into thinking that Leo Varadkar was in some way "covering for Hamas" with his choice of words.

          Clearly, as I was able to discover with just a minute's Ghougling, Varadkar was not "covering for Hamas", and although he did not mention Hamas by name or use the words "terrorist" or "kidnapping" in his statement regarding the child's release, he has called Hamas "terrorists" quite recently.

          FFS, he even endorsed Netanyahu's promise of ‘mighty vengeance’ against Hamas!

          1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

            Only a colossally stupid asshat or a Hamas sympathizer (perhaps I repeat myself) would have conflated a "lost child, found" with a toddler kidnapped by a rapacious terrorist organization released from captivity in a prisoner swap.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              It's an evil comparison showing a lack of humanity.

            2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

              Never admit being wrong--it shows you're weak.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Speaking for yourself, ObviouslySpam?

                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                  Trolls gotta troll.

                  1. Sevo   2 years ago

                    Pedantic shits gotta pedantically shit.

      4. Moonrocks   2 years ago

        ...he said, as he was sending Hamas another check.

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Leo is a cunt.

    6. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      He said the child was "lost"??? And not captured and unspeakably abused???

      God what an asshole! Somebody needs to take a shillelagh to his ass!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Hey, that would be cultural appropriation in a culture Varadkar is busy appropriating.

    7. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago (edited)

      [clueless comment deleted]

  10. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    There should be a statute of limitations for revoking citizenship in these cases.

    See how other countries like having a foreign doctor for once!

  11. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

    "Should people have the right to say awful things without facing legal consequences?" asks Jay Caspian Kang in The New Yorker. (Yes. Next question.)

    Hah, I was about to criticize Liz for uncritically sharing a link asking such a question, but she shot it down. This is why we love you, Liz, you give these questions the full respect they deserve.

  12. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/FrankDeScushin/status/1729121847852294580?t=2mgUZFO8GThi-6o3nTpmdA&s=19

    This Irish politician moves to restrict speech for "the common good", but there is no common good in a multicultural society. Group interests conflict. The West is being transformed and dissent labeled "hate” to criminalize it so politicians can continue their transformation.

    [Link]

    1. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

      Ironically, there's never a ceiling for "restricting freedoms" for the common good. 15-minute cities are for the common good. Mandated vaccines. Gun control. The leftist shit never ends.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        It's not even really leftist, it's aristocratic. A cabal of those who consider themselves elite because their dad paid for Harvard, trying to create an aristocracy of bureaucrats.

        1. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

          It’s not even really leftist, it’s aristocratic.

          Yeah, but it's the leftists who support the aristocracy. For some weird fucking reason.

          1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

            There have been leftist aristocrats, and de facto aristocrats, for a long time. Powerful ones, too.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Any politician who is for restricting speech needs to find him/herself swinging from a lamppost.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Have we so readily abandoned woodchippers for contributing too much to human-caused global warming?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          I thought the woodchippers were being used on the pedos.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Same difference, based on Epstein's little black book.

    3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      "The Common Good" does not exist outside of Individual Good, M'Lady. Anybody who says otherwise advocates human sacrifice.

    4. Super Scary   2 years ago

      "This Irish politician moves to restrict speech for “the common good”"

      "The common good" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUpbOliTHJY&ab_channel=LadyAliara

  13. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Activists from Jewish Voice for Peace, an anti-Zionist group, shut down the Manhattan Bridge for several hours yesterday, blocking cars from getting across on the Manhattan side.

    You know who else made Manhattan an open air prison?

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      John Carpenter?

      1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

        Carpenter is a great world builder.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          That’s The Thing about him many like.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Michael Bloomberg?

    3. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago (edited)

      Adolf Hitler.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Only aspirationally. He never got the chance.

    4. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      The Dutch?

    5. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      New Yorkers?

    6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Every progressive politician and voter?

    7. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Fauci?

  14. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago (edited)

    …Israel and Hamas agreed to a four-day ceasefire and a deal in which Hamas would release 50 of the hostages taked [sic] October 7 in exchange for 150 Palestinians being held in Israeli prisons.

    Oh, so the Israelis think every one of theirs is worth three Palestinians???

    (An actual question asked by a journalist.)

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago (edited)

      You know, I’m starting to miss the Ukraine war.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Wait, who won?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          US arms manufacturers and their investors.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            It actually hurt many if them. Ukraine mostly used already sold weapons. And the money and expenditure if giving those weapons to Ukraine depleted DoD dollars that go to R&D and future procurement. Now this may change in the next few years, but new contracts this year are almost non existent. Many of the stocks are down due to new contracts not being signed.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Fucking Trump.

              1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

                If only he had started WW3 like Reason warned us he would none of this would have happened.

        2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago (edited)

          “Wait, who won?”

          Wolverines. The scarlet menace was vanquished. Again. Woo hoo.

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            Go blue!

    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      Seems like a good idea. After the terrorist teens are released from prison, chances are they'll run right back to Hamas, and show up back on the front line ASAP, where the IDF can kill them properly, without all those pesky legal details involved in keeping them in prison.

    3. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      "No, the Palestinians think every Israeli is worth three of theirs."

      Sadly, probably not the response given.

      1. n00bdragon   2 years ago

        Tbf, these are the same people who shoot civilians running away from battlefields.

        Honestly I'm a little surprised that Israel would ever negotiate with Hamas again. This kind of swap just encourages them to do it again.

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Escape from New York, Goyims Run Wild!

      1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

        "Goyim" is the plural, I'm fairly sure.

  15. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

    Kamala's stove runs on smugness, so totes ok.

    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      There was a line in a recent Marvel film, "Black Girl Magic!" I'm sure that's how Kamala cooks her food.

      1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

        She's trying to make a devil out of....eggs?

  16. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago (edited)

    Activists from Jewish Voice for Peace, an anti-Zionist group, shut down the Manhattan Bridge for several hours yesterday, blocking cars from getting across on the Manhattan side.

    It’s unclear to me how these street shutdowns actually achieve the desired goal

    They don’t. When groups do something like this, it’s a pure power play. They would LOVE for the bad optics of police forcibly removing them so they can play up how persecuted they are. They’re daring someone to stop them so they play the victim card. And if you don’t stop them, you’re still playing into their hand because they get to exert power over you.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      play the victim card

      Which doesn't work when you've pissed off everyone. The more they increase the tactic of blocking roads, the less people sympathize with the cause(s) and more likely to remove them by force.

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        I still think the police are only ever going to be portrayed as the villains in such a forced removal, in a dense blue city like New York. Though antics like this are how you can make the cops look like the good guys again.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Seems to be working for sarc.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          Only he thinks so. Well, maybe jeffy.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Yeah, Jeffy's been playing the victim card often recently. Usually after bad days for him, like yesterday.

            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

              That dude is cracking. It’s all falling apart for him.

            2. Sevo   2 years ago

              And the day before that, and the day before that, and...

      3. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        In UK and other places civilians are forcibly removing them already.

        I also especially liked the tribal police's approach to protesters who block the highways into/out of Burning Man. Absolutely took no shit.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          I especially enjoy that since it challenges the progressives to support either the delusional activists or the noble red man.

        2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

          My fav was the lady who dragged the other by the hair off the road.

      4. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Which doesn’t work when you’ve pissed off everyone... less people sympathize with the cause

        The opinions of the hoi polloi are irrelevant to them. The people who they want to think of them as martyrs are the members of their cult... and their financial backers.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

      In many countries they arrest the drivers who attempt to remove the activists.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        In many countries they arrest anyone who defies the official narrative.

    3. mtrueman   2 years ago

      "It’s unclear to me how these street shutdowns actually achieve the desired goal....

      They don’t. "

      I disagree. I've noticed the same author reporting on other blockades expressing the same bewilderment. The goal is publicity, and the author repeatedly publicizes the blockades in these pages, and yet repeatedly express her befuddlement over their goals.

      Why are Jewish Voices for Peace blockading the bridge? The author doesn't tell us. It's to call for a permanent ceasefire. Adding such details runs the risk of being tarred with the anti-semitism brush.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Why are Jewish Voices for Peace blockading the bridge? The author doesn’t tell us. It’s to call for a permanent ceasefire. Adding such details runs the risk of being tarred with the anti-semitism brush.

        *rubbing temples* So constantly screeching "racism" does have a chilling effect on speech.

        I feel like I'm getting whiplash.

        oh, um, *checks notes* why does the author feel the need to engage in Kultur War!

        1. mtrueman   2 years ago

          "So constantly screeching “racism” does have a chilling effect on speech. "

          More to the point, constantly screeching "anti-semitism" doesn't have a chilling effect on calls for a ceasefire. You'd think Libertarians and other non-war mongers would be celebrating this instead of belittling Jewish Voices for Peace.

          "oh, um, *checks notes* why does the author feel the need to engage in Kultur War!"

          Culture war has an emotional impact that more substantial issues lack.

          1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago (edited)

            You’d think Libertarians and other non-war mongers

            We’re not “Libertarians for telling other countries what they’re allowed to do.” Stopping traffic in New York has zero practical connection to an ongoing conflict overseas. The people stopped in traffic have no power to affect that conflict and our government really should NOT be involved in it because it’s not our concern.

            1. mtrueman   2 years ago (edited)

              “We’re not “Libertarians for telling other countries what they’re allowed to do.”

              Why not? They’re humans too. Libertarians come from the Enlightenment, meaning they recognize the universality of human dignity. That recognition doesn’t stop at national borders.

              ” The people stopped in traffic have no power to affect that conflict and our government really should NOT be involved in it because it’s not our concern.”

              They have more power than you’re willing to give credit. Our government is involved whether you’re willing to accept this or not. And Jews in New York are doubly outraged and willing to express their anger. One, at the atrocities perpetrated by the Israelis in their names, and two, at the US government for helping them along.

              The idea that Jews shouldn't be concerned over Israeli genocide is silly. Set aside the moral depravity of the slaughter for a moment, and consider the blowback that America's Jews will inevitably face as a result of the crimes of the Jewish state. It's also a matter of their self preservation.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                Weird you chose the word dignity instead of freedom. By weird I mean expected from a leftist.

                1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                  How can you have dignity without freedom? It's not weird you missed this. Because freedom for you is just an empty slogan. With your fondness for empty slogans, why not slander me as an anti-semite while you're at it?

                  1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                    Freedom doesn't require dignity. It just doesn't.

                    1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                      Can I expect anything other than empty sloganeering from you? If you have anything of substance in response, I'd appreciate it.

                    2. Sevo   2 years ago

                      "Can I expect anything other than empty sloganeering from you?"

                      Can we expect anything other than nonsense from you? If you have anything of substance in response, I’d appreciate it.

              2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

                Libertarians come from the Enlightenment, meaning they recognize the universality of human dignity. That recognition doesn’t stop at national borders.

                Cool. Now go stop traffic to protest the persecution of homosexuals in Saudi Arabia. I'm sure that will be effective since New York drivers apparently have such amazing power to tell people what they should do.

                1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                  " Now go stop traffic to protest the persecution of homosexuals in Saudi Arabia."

                  Saudi Arabia is not a Jewish state. Whatever the Saudi persecutors are doing to homosexuals, they are not doing it in the name of the Jews of New York, or with the assistance of the American government.

                  "New York drivers apparently have such amazing power"

                  The drivers are just pawns in this game. It's the politicians who are the ultimate target. The massive protests have already sunk Genocide Joe's chances of re-election, so who's next?

  17. R Mac   2 years ago

    “It's unclear to me how these street shutdowns actually achieve the desired goal.”

    The desired goal is anarcho-tyranny, and it achieves it quite well.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      What about the goal for childish attention and whining?

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        That’s how the people behind this recruit the useful idiots.

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Yeah. I'm not a pro-Zionist, but I am an objective Zionist. Occupying a bridge doesn't rectify the occupation of Palestine, nor does evicting all the Jews/Colonizers. I don't know what *the* answer is, but that ain't it.

      1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

        Remove all the Jews from "Palestine" and it'll end up just as peaceful and forward thinking as Lebanon.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Yup. Remove the current Jews and there will be a new set of "Jews".

        2. John C. Randolph   2 years ago

          If the Jews ever decide to bail out and move to Brazil or Saskatchewan, the arabs will lose about half of their population in the ensuing wars over who gets to tell who else how to be a muslim.

          -jcr

    3. mtrueman   2 years ago (edited)

      “The desired goal is anarcho-tyranny, and it achieves it quite well.”

      It’s about publicity. Keep the issue in people’s minds. Get people talking about it. It works too. Even the war mongers, who oppose a ceasefire fire, can’t stop from discussing it, if only to resort to lies and slander.

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        I have not had a single conversation about retard protesters gluing themselves to roads that led to any discussion of whatever it was they thought they were protesting for or against. They are just fucking assholes disrupting other people's lives. I can't imagine they are doing any good for their causes.

        1. mtrueman   2 years ago

          "I have not had a single conversation about retard protesters gluing themselves to roads that led to any discussion of whatever it was they thought they were protesting for or against."

          Maybe you are not trying hard enough. Getting a productive dialog happening might not be as easy and straight forward as you've been led to believe. Drop the insults and slander, for a start, and adopt a civil tone.

          " I can’t imagine they are doing any good for their causes."

          You're paying attention. That's better than ignoring them.

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            They’re violating people’s rights. Fuck them, fuck their causes and fuck you troll.

            1. mtrueman   2 years ago (edited)

              “They’re violating people’s rights. ”

              Israeli Jews or New York Jews? Or both? If you want to engage in the productive dialog that has so far eluded Zeb, try a little clarity. And ease up on the bluster and insults.

              1. Sevo   2 years ago

                "...try a little clarity..."

                Try a little honesty, lying pile of shit.

              2. R Mac   2 years ago

                The people blocking others from driving across a public bridge are violating people’s rights, so fuck them, fuck their cause, and fuck you troll.

                1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                  "The people blocking others from driving across a public bridge are violating people’s rights,"

                  And you insist on publicizing the action. You seem to share the author's befuddlement.

        2. John C. Randolph   2 years ago

          I can’t imagine they are doing any good for their causes.

          They aren't, and they don't care. It's all about attention whoring.

          -jcr

    4. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

      I'm going to have to call you out on a linguistic mistake. Anarcho means without government or more basicly without organization. Not chaos. Anarcho-tyranny is a contradiction as tyranny requires a lot of organization. Their goal may be to cause chaos with the end goal being calls for more tyrannical forms of governance but tacking anarcho to another word doesn't mean that.

  18. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Faking insurrection, or don't believe your lying eyes.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/how-democratic-party-faked-american-insurrection

    Last week, more than 40,000 hours of Jan. 6 Capitol Police security footage was released in the public domain that once and for all blew a hole in the pro-Trump ‘violent insurrection’ narrative so dear to the Democrats.

    Indeed, January 6 may have been a lot of things to many people, but another Boston Tea Party it most definitely was not.

    Social media was alight over the weekend showing one benign scene after another of the ‘insurrectionists’ casually strolling through the Capitol Building premises, exchanging pleasantries with the on-duty police officers, even giving each other fist-bumps.

    The revelations of the true nature of the event came to light as newly appointed House Speaker Mike Johnson released the security footage, which came as a political manna from heaven for former president Donald Trump and other members of the Republican Party.

    Democrats, however, who have milked the ‘insurrectionist’ narrative for everything it is worth, predictably chafed at the release, calling it a ‘risk to national security.’

    For almost two years, Democrats, who managed to cherry-pick the most suggestive scenes of the footage, portrayed January 6th as everything from another September 11 to a second Pear Harbor.

    The inconvenient truth, however, is that only one person was killed on the day of the Capitol riot – unarmed Air Force veteran and avid Trump supporter, Ashli Babbitt, who was shot by a police officer.

    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      And what you can do is show footage of these protestors waving at police officers, giving them fist-bumps, etc, and overlay Trump's tweet where he says, "Respect our Capitol Police Officers!" Which he definitely tweeted out as the riot was ongoing, and not, as the Jan. 6 committee claimed, waited over four hours to respond in any way.

    2. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      The inconvenient truth, however, is that only one person was killed on the day of the Capitol riot – unarmed Air Force veteran and avid Trump supporter, Ashli Babbitt, who was shot by a police officer.

      More reminiscent of the Boston Massacre than the Boston Tea Party.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Incorrect.
        Rosalyn Boyland was beaten to death by a capitol police officer.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Yup, for some reason her beating death gets zero coverage even by Trump friendly media, but in many ways it was even more egregious than Babbit's. It wasn't a couple of wild shots by a cowboy. It was a deliberate and methodical murder.

        2. Jerry B.   2 years ago

          Nah. She died of an amphetamine overdose, or was trampled by the crowd, or something else that didn't involve police. MSM says so.

        3. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

          Can't have a police state without police

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

      A second woman was killed in the west tunnel. Video shows her being hit with batons by cops as people cried for them to stop. She was taken into the building then officers later claimed she died of an Adderall overdose.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Regardless, no Capitol Police officers died that day, even from assault fire extinguishers.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

          Totally agree.

          But jeff will be here soon to say libertarians support capital punishment for trespassing.

          One of the biggest examples of bias here was watching reason freaking out over unmarked vans to arrest violent BLM rioters and not having names by ID numbers on badges. Multiple mentions. Yet seemingly less outrage over killing an unarmed woman.

          1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

            and if I had to bet I'd say the "unmarked vans nabbing BLM rioters off the streets" story was a complete fabrication.

            1. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

              The vans were scooping up Federal instigators.

              1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

                “….snatching up migrant children off the streets.” - ENB.

            2. JesseAz   2 years ago

              No. They admitted it. It is standard procedure during riots to wait for violent people to leave the crowd. The van is unmarked so it doesn't get attacked by the violent mob. This has been standard for decades.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            But jeff will be here soon to say libertarians support capital punishment for trespassing.

            not what I said, and you know it, but you are a lying turd.

            Here you are doing the exact same thing 2 weeks ago, and me correcting you 2 weeks ago.

            https://reason.com/2023/11/16/alabama-set-to-execute-man-for-a-crime-he-committed-while-legally-a-minor/?comments=true#comment-10321843

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago


              chemjeff radical individualist 3 years ago

              What is there to talk about?

              From a libertarian perspective, Ashli Babbett was trespassing, and the officers were totally justified to shoot trespassers. Again from a libertarian perspective, the officers would have been justified in shooting every single trespasser. That would not have been wise or prudent, of course.

              They were all trespassers trying to be where they weren’t supposed to be.

              Funny how most things on the internet are forever, eh?

          3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            But jeff will be here soon to say libertarians support capital punishment for trespassing.

            And right on cue, Jeffy shows up.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              And the link he denies and tries to rationalize away what he said.

              https://reason.com/2021/02/09/the-not-so-peaceful-transfer-of-power/?comments=true#comment-8750591

              1. Chumby   2 years ago

                Yet he still uses his fork more than his keyboard.

    4. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      This works well, if you ignore all the evidence of rioting.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Please, show us in the videos from inside the Capitol Building, where there was rioting.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Feet. On. Queen. Pelosi. DESK.

        2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          BOOTS ON THE DESK!

      2. R Mac   2 years ago

        Who is Ray Epps?

    5. Foo_dd   2 years ago

      hey, they cherry picked some footage to make it look like it was worse...... now you all must ignore that and pretend our cherry picked footage is all that happened.......

      every mother fucker on both sides of this argument knows that they are exaggerating their position. it was not all violence, but it was not all fist bumps and casual strolling either. those people who were there were in the wrong, even if the other "team" is exaggerating how wrong.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        80% of the J6 protestors that have been indicted committed no violence or vandalism. Discuss.

        1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

          and what, in what i wrote, has anything to do with that strawman?

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Youre claiming the non violent footage is cherry picked despite it representing 80% of those your team has indicted. Discuss.

            1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

              you think the footage being selected here represents 80% of what happened?

              i already can conclude you are a moron based on the lazy assertion that my "team" is the other half of the people i just said were full of shit...... but this really helps cement that conclusion.... that you are seriously dumb enough to believe this cherry picked footage is any more representative than what the other side cherry picks is absolutely adorable.

        2. Foo_dd   2 years ago

          although..... if you are conceding that as many as 20% of them were violent you might be wandering away from your talking points.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

            It isnt 20, I was being generous. But we must lock up the 8 to go after the 2! Truly a representation of your politics. Discuss.

            1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

              "But we must lock up the 8 to go after the 2!"

              so.... do you have anything to say that isn't directed at a strawman i never said?

          2. Sevo   2 years ago

            Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.

      2. Zeb   2 years ago

        Yes, there was violence and there are people who deserve punishment for what they did that day. Happy?

        The point isn't that it was all peace and love, but that the whole insurrection narrative is ridiculous. It wasn't a coordinated attack and the vast majority of people there committed no violence. It was a stupid, bad day, but no worse than many other protests that got violent from the previous year.

        1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

          " It was a stupid, bad day, but no worse than many other protests that got violent from the previous year."

          if we could stop there, that would be fine. it is a bit of an oversimplification and minimization, but as long as you end with the idea that both groups were comparably wrong... I'm satisfied with that position.

          the problem is that so few will do so. the general trends are to try and minimize how wrong the protestors for your "team" were and/or trying to exaggerate how wrong the protestors for the other "team" were.

        2. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

          Mostly peaceful.

      3. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Maybe you missed the part where 40,000 hours were released, not a few minutes. Kinda destroys the whole "cherry picked footage" on the part of the people saying that the overwhelming majority of this barely rose to the level of trespassing and in no sense should be considered an insurrection.

      4. Super Scary   2 years ago

        It's more like what the MSN used a few months ago was cherry picked. The rest of it (that we now have) was the entire tree, root system and surrounding grove.

        You have a poor understanding of scale.

    6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Sounds exactly like when the Bolsheviks invaded the palace, right?

  19. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...the "children" held in Israeli prisons are not 4-year-olds—the age of some of the hostages that Hamas took—but 16- and 17-year-olds, many of them convicted of violent terrorist activities.

    If they were wearing red hats, journalists would consider their faces punchable.

  20. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago (edited)

    There were some folks that glued themselves to the pavement somewhere (I could look it up, but it’s not important, Germany maybe, UK?). Hearing them scream in pain as they were forcibly removed from the pavement did, I’m not ashamed to admit, give a brief flare of schadenfreude.

    Not as much as if the cops had just pulled out a sawz-all and hacked off a few hands at the wrist, but it was something.

    Then theres to idiots who used epoxy and quick setting concrete to glue themselves to the runway in Duselldorf, jackhammered free, but may have to have hand amputated.

    https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1679410017227915265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1679410453514952704%7Ctwgr%5Ed87b66c5c8a9b7b4749aaaa5bb59a67d30b70abb%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyo.in%2Fnews%2Factivists-in-germany-glued-themselves-to-the-road-and-they-might-need-amputation-of-hand-40587

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

      Sawzalling off their hands would leave hands glued to the pavement, and some of those sharp bones could flatten a few tires. Skin and a little meat is better.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Sledgehammer the bones before allowing traffic solves that problem.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          That reminds me of the steamroller scene in A Fish Called Wanda. Would that work?

          1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

            Mighty big equipment to get there, slow, keeps the disruption going longer.

            The nice thing about just yanking them off is anybody can do it, or a small group. Grab their legs and run. Don't even need to scuff away the skin and meat.

  21. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Reducing your standard of living so they can have theirs.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coming-soon-your-travel-will-be-restricted-personal-carbon-allowances

    A report on the future of travel and tourism, co-authored by a travel agency called Intrepid Travel and The Future Labs Institute, posits a future deeply impacted by climate change and restrictions on tourist travel to combat it.

    “A Sustainable Future for Travel”, warns of “travel extinction”, where some areas suffer such radical climate change that all tourism there ceases, and “personal carbon allowances” that will restrict how often one is permitted travel.

    From the Report: "A report on the future of travel and tourism, co-authored by a travel agency called Intrepid Travel and The Future Labs Institute, posits a future deeply impacted by climate change and restrictions on tourist travel to combat it.

    “A Sustainable Future for Travel”, warns of “travel extinction”, where some areas suffer such radical climate change that all tourism there ceases, and “personal carbon allowances” that will restrict how often one is permitted travel.

    "Experts suggest that individuals should currently limit their carbon emissions to 2.3 tonnes each year – the equivalent of taking a round-trip from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. However, the average carbon footprint in the US is 16 tonnes per person per year, 15 tonnes in Australia and 11.7 tonnes in the UK."

    How serious are our leaders and policymakers about reducing the citizenry’s living standards by upwards of 85%?

    Here is Canada’s Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault, rather blithely confirming that the government will limit natural gas usage in order to fight climate change:

    Reporter: There will be limitations on how much natural gas you can use in the winter?

    Guilbeault: Yes, absolutely, that’s what fighting climate change looks like.

    1. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

      And there goes the Canadian forests.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      reporter: Will you reduce your personal use of natural gas?

      Guilbeault: Absolutely not, it’s cold here in the winter.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

        More likely, Guillbat gets a new thermostat that goes up to nine. "See other hosers set their stats at ten, but mine only goes up to nine, which is one less."

        1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

          Why don't you just make ten colder and make ten be the top number and make that a little colder?

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          I have an old Marshall tube amp that goes up to 11.

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

      “Here is Canada’s Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault, rather blithely confirming that the government will limit natural gas usage in order to fight climate change”

      Here’s how sinister and wicked Trudeau’s party is.

      In Canada it’s impossible for a Liberal politician to get elected west of Ontario. There’s like 3 out of over a hundred seats. Eastern Canada is Liberal party territory.

      In maritime Eastern Canada which has milder winters they use fuel oil to heat homes, in Western Canada, which has far colder winters, it’s natural gas. Fuel oil emits 20 times the carbon per heat unit produced over natural gas.

      The Liberals want everyone to switch to heat pumps to warm their homes so they put a deliberately crippling carbon tax on home heating. Heat pumps won’t work in Western Canada’s far colder winters so their option is pay huge taxes or freeze.

      Canadian’s were universally mad about the punitive carbon tax so the Liberals removed it from heating oil but refuse to do it for the far less polluting natural gas.

      “The west should’ve voted for the Liberals” was the honest-to-goodness, no-shit reply from a Liberal minister.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago (edited)

        Wow. That’s some fucked up and evil bullshit. Canada ought to have a revolution over that.

  22. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Parents really want to know.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_eafee026-8c74-11ee-adc6-9369cc027d9d.html

    Voters support school policies that require educators to tell parents about changes to their student’s pronouns, a nationwide poll found. The findings come as parental notification policies have stirred controversy as advocates and parents square off in school board meetings.

    The poll of more than 2,500 registered voters, including over 1,000 Republicans and Democrats and almost 500 independents, was conducted in late October and asked respondents if teachers should “be obligated to inform parents if their child changes their gender identification or preferred pronouns at school.”

    Sixty-six percent of registered voters indicated teachers should have to tell parents about changes to their student’s gender identity.

    The demographic that signaled the least support for the notification policy was Democrats, with 49% supporting it, and 30% of Democrats opposing it. Republicans and independent voters supported the measure at much higher rates, 83% and 62%, respectively.

    The Center Square Voter’s Voice Poll found support for parental notification was highest for older voters, although such policies received high support from voters of all ages.

    Over half, 56%, of voters ages 18-34 said teachers should tell parents, while 71% of those between 55-64 and 70% of those over 65 said the same. Only 29% of those between 18-34 said teachers should not be obligated to inform parents.

    Geographically, voters nationwide supported the policy to notify parents, with the highest percentage of voters in favor coming from the South at 69%, followed by the Midwest at 66%, West at 65% and Northeast at 64%.

    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      Terrorists!

    2. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      parental notification policies have stirred controversy

      How is this at all controversial?

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

        Because the cancers known Marxist want to destroy america

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Because teachers are super experts and deserve to decide for children what is best. And some parents are abusive. So sure are teachers. But parents are way worse.

        Think I got Jeff's argument right.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          I think you did, using a hell of a lot fewer words than Jeffy typically does. I've never seen a commenter be so verbose to say so little.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

            The Obama of the comments.

            Filibuster an argument with hundreds of words. Declare you win the debate if they don't answer or respond to all 100 pieces of shit thrown against the wall.

            1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

              That's known as the "Gish Gallop".

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                Learn something knee daily.

              2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                This is why I accuse Jeffy, Tony, and Shrike of using creationist logic here, especially Jeffy. Used to see this shit all the time on talk.origins on Usenet.

                It's amazing how similar the arguments are when you boil down YEC, AGW, and gender theory. All of them push an agenda that is not backed up by evidence, yet have true believers who will never be convinced no matter how hard you try.

              3. Chumby   2 years ago

                Thanks. Didn’t know his “blathering filibuster” had a name.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Filibuster an argument with hundreds of words. Declare you win the debate if they don’t answer or respond to all 100 pieces of shit thrown against the wall.

              lol that is you, when you decide to post about 10 links to "rebut" an argument and those links are irrelevant, red herrings, barely tangentially related, or otherwise only meant to distract.

              ML is worse though.

        2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

          You forgot Snow White.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            And bears in trunks. Never forget those dastardly bears in trunks.

        3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          Oh, look at the circle jerk of morons here.

          As usual Jesse got very little about my argument correct.

          About the only part that he got right is that "some parents are abusive". That is unquestionably true.

      3. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

        How is this at all controversial?

        It’s not. It’s called propaganda and, to be clear, the use of the term “controversy” is the runner on 1st taking a massive lead so you’ll ignore the runner on 3rd.

        The opposite of “parental notification policies” isn’t “no notification policies”, children are still required to go to school and schools are still required to deal with them. The opposite of “parental notification policies” is “secret state transition policies”. Further, you generally have to go to HS to get a job and you pay into HS whether you have kids or not.

        “Mandatory, publicly-funded, secret, state policies of transitioning minors” isn’t really controversial either, the controversy is thrown in to mask how utterly reprehensible one side is and make it seem more like an “agree to disagree” situation rather than bargaining with the inmates for control of the asylum.

      4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

        “Because there might be bigotry in the home. We have to protect our trans kids”* (from their parents)

        * said by an actual teacher I know.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Lying Jeffy has made that exact same argument.

        2. Chumby   2 years ago

          Ceausescu never showed his cards to the citizens either.

        3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

          “Because there might be bigotry in the home. We have to protect our trans kids”* (from their parents)

          * said by an actual teacher I know.

          But that is true. If a student is unwilling to tell his/her parents of his/her own volition, maybe the teacher ought to consider why that is. Maybe it is bigotry, maybe it is not.

          I am fine with a requirement for a school, broadly, to let parents know of what their kids are doing – as long as it is done with tact and respect and compassion. Don’t just blurt out “hey, guess what, your son’s gay” to dad who is a raving homophobic bigot. The conversation ought to be handled professionally with suitable counselors and support.

          1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

            “….dad who is a raging homophobic bigot.”

            And how the fuck does teach know that? Cuz the kid said so? Or are you justifying keeping secrets from parents based on the rare cases where the teacher personally knows the “dad who is a raging homophobic bigot” well enough to make that judgement?

            You’re a joke.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              And how the fuck does teach know that?

              The teacher doesn't know that. Will you at least admit that it *MIGHT* be true?

              Or are you justifying keeping secrets from parents

              Did you miss the part where I wrote "I am fine with a requirement for a school, broadly, to let parents know of what their kids are doing"? Is that not good enough for you? I suppose not.

              Maybe what you are really after, is for school teachers to behave exactly like the parents do. So if the parents don't believe in any of that gender crap, then the teachers should act the same way. Is that what you want?

        4. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

          Yeah, that's their excuse for everything. Bad parents are responsible for everything according to teachers. If your kid fails a class it's your fault. If your kid aces the class the teachers take credit.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      you'd have to be completely mad to put your kids in public school at this point.

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Sixty-six percent of registered voters indicated teachers should have to tell parents about changes to their student’s gender identity.

      I'm shocked this number is this low. I seriously am. I would have thought it would be around 85%. That tells me that 34% of the people in this country have been hoodwinked by this creepy ideology.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Registered voters, not voting parents. Single activists non mothers were in the poll.

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          And perhaps men who fantasize about barely-legal boys who look 12 because of puberty blockers and hormones.

      2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        I have to wonder how exactly they worded the question. Is it possible that some parents answered "no" because they reject the reality of "gender identitiy"?

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          Or juxtaposed it such that the school is compelled to inform the parents even if they suspect the parents are abusing the kids (despite the fact that if the school thinks the parents are abusing the children, they're frequently mandated to report).

        2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

          That was my initial reaction. I don't want the school contacting me because I want them focused on teaching math.

  23. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1729078041912160641?t=uRB3kIcvT3W05B0Sn8cHgw&s=19

    Who decides this is the proper usage? This is just the weapon of the leftist who is trying to use linguistic psyops to make you accept the dissolution of your own nation and people. A normal person believes "indigenous" has a meaning independent of "colonisation".

    [Link- "properly used, “indigenous” doesn’t mean “had an ethnogenesis somewhere” it means “was colonised, or is under threat of colonisation”. indigeneity isn’t something that exists in a vacuum independent of colonialism, the french aren’t indigenous to france"]

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      the french aren’t indigenous to france

      That sounds exactly like something a colonizer would say.

    2. markm23   2 years ago

      The Franks were NOT indigenous to Gaul. The Gauls were, but you can't identify their descendants, if any.

  24. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

    If you wonder why Kia Boys steal cars, this is why – with videos.

    https://cwbchicago.com/2023/11/chicago-kia-boys-instagram-accounts.html

    By now, everyone in Chicago probably knows what a “Kia Boy” is. They’re car thieves who exploit a design flaw that lets them steal some Kia and Hyundai vehicles by popping the ignition and using a USB plug as a key.

    It turns out that some homegrown Kia Boys are fond of sharing videos of their “work” online. And optimists who think they steal cars because they’re poor and need transportation to get to work or the grocery store are in for a rude awakening.

    One account that caught our eye on Instagram is “hp.kiaboyz.” The “HP” stands for Humboldt Park.

    Perhaps you’re a visual person who would rather see how Kia Boys steal cars than have it explained in words. No problem. There are plenty of videos to help with that.

    1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      they’re poor and need transportation to get to work or the grocery store

      What about the people whose cars are getting stolen? Most people can't afford to just buy a car on any given day, and I'm sure they need their cars to get to work and go to the grocery store, too.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        They can take the train.

      2. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

        Funny how that side of things is never mentioned by the left.

        Never question what kind of people (economically) drive Kia's and Hyundai's.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Hey, to think like a leftist just know that any person that has a thing is WAAAAY richer than a person who does not have that thing, and deserves to be, um, redistributed.

          1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

            Does that extend to sex?

            1. DesigNate   2 years ago

              Obviously not.

    2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      I find it hard to believe there is anyone who thinks "they steal cars because they’re poor and need transportation to get to work or the grocery store," but I'm happy to be persuaded.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

        You haven’t been around enough apologetic Democrats in Chicago, have you?

        Also, instead of going after these jerks, Mayor BJ is busy suing Kia and Hyundai for making their cars easier to steal.

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          You haven’t been around enough apologetic Democrats in Chicago, have you?

          +1. Or unapologetic Democrats as the case may be.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Shooting these guys on sight would cut down on the thefts pretty quick.

  25. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    "A not-insignificant number of hostages are apparently being held by separate terrorist groups, making it hard for Hamas to locate the remainder of the captives."

    Have they tried looking in the graveyards? Because the way they were treating the people they were capturing on the videos didn't look conducive to survival.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      I repeat my point that had, on Oct. 8th, Hamas said "Holy Shit! Our bad! Here's the missing hostages and the leaders responsible for the attack (or their bodies)." The City would be waist-deep in aid money rather than blaming the IDF for blowing up their own hospitals.

  26. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

    Hamas trains children in kindergaden in hostage taking drills. If the isralies killed all the palisitinians the world would be a better place

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      What should we do about the illiterate?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Look in a mirror and then come back with your answer.

      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

        Are the illiterate training their kids to be terrorists?

      3. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

        Maybe if they were being taught reading and writing instead of being trained in hostage taking they wouldn't be illiterate?

  27. Sevo   2 years ago

    "Fierce DeSantis-Newsom rivalry heads to prime-time showdown with 'Hannity' debate"
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fierce-desantis-newsom-rivalry-heads-to-prime-time-showdown-with-hannity-debate/ar-AA1kxCms?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=da2ab471a5304d2eabb54138e40ba244&ei=16

    DeSantis at least kept from knee-capping the FL economy. Can anybody find one thing to like about that slime-ball, tin-pot-dictator wannabe Newsom?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Um, other than he's not as obese as my governor, Pritzker?

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Can anybody find one thing to like about that slime-ball, tin-pot-dictator wannabe Newsom?

      I like that he isn’t the governor of my state.

      1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        It is not as if Hochul is much better, with her social media gestapo.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Anyone still living in NY is crazy.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Funny how Nikki Haley is taking the same basic position.

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            This is why you can’t have chicks in charge of anything.

      2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        Just wait until he's president of your country.

    3. Moonrocks   2 years ago (edited)

      Did you see how he cleaned up San Francisco?

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        He was interviewed during the clean up for the APEC conference and likened moving the bums to the side as similar to having your kids put the clothes in the hamper when you have guests.
        Yep, just like some harmless dirty clothes.

      2. John C. Randolph   2 years ago

        I remember the time back in the 90s when the NYPD rousted all the bums out of the subways for the Democrat convention. No panhandlers for about a solid week, and then the cops went back to whatever they usually do.

        -jcr

    4. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      His uncanny resemblance to Christian Bale's character in American Psycho?

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        Do you like Phil Collins?

    5. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      Sevo, I found one thing. The governor has good taste in wine and restaurants (The French Quarter). Aside from that, I am struggling to find a single redeeming quality.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        French Laundry.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        He was taken there by lobbyists.

  28. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/MorgothsReview/status/1729089987281395831?t=jmtolA-BH1zq-_Wp2JU38Q&s=19

    If multiculturalism requires a censorious police state (it does) then surely it’s just better not to have multiculturalism.

    [Link]

  29. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who was convicted of killing George Floyd, was stabbed in prison on Friday.

    I guess we're not using the New York Times style guide here and saying he was "accused" of killing George Floyd.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Is that really in the style guide? It makes sense before a conviction, but not afterwards.

      I don't think the charge of murder was justified, but Chauvin was, in fact, convicted of murder. I'm mildly surprised the NYT did not use the term, "murdering".

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Is that really in the style guide? It makes sense before a conviction, but not afterwards.

        Yes

        Take, for example, Israa Jaabees, who The New York Times describes as a "disfigured woman whose case has become well known" who was "accused of attempted murder" after "her car exploded at a checkpoint near Jerusalem in the West Bank." Note the passive voice, and the "accused" (with no mention of a conviction).

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          I'll take that as confirmation that the New York Times Manual of Style and Usage does not call for the use of the term "alleged" after conviction. Thanks!

          1. DesigNate   2 years ago

            He didn't say it did....

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      He was probably bouncing checks while high on opioids when he got shanked so it's OK that he got punished extrajudicially for a crime for which he's already being punished.

    3. Chumby   2 years ago

      Fortunately, he hadn’t ingested a lethal dose of fentanyl and expected to make a recovery.

  30. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    "This seeming inability to tell the full story has led to lots of criticism of the media."

    Impossible! Just yesterday Creamjeff was insisting to me the Reuters handling of the conflict was pure and good. Lying Jeffy wouldn't be lying, would he?

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      Your team's criticism of Reuters is that they aren't biased enough - towards Israel. So your complaints are disingenuous and you can shove it.

      Let's recall this exchange from you yesterday:

      chemjeff radical individualist 23 hours ago
      Which is a more credible news source, Reuters or The Federalist?

      Which is less biased, Reuters or The Federalist?

      Mother's Lament 21 hours ago
      Flag Comment Mute User
      “Which is less biased, Reuters or The Federalist?”

      The Federalist. Every fucking time.

      You don't actually want unbiased news. You WANT biased 'news' that strokes your ego and confirms your prejudices and supports your narratives. That is why you criticize professional journalistic enterprises like Reuters. Not because they do a bad job overall. But because they don't stroke your ego.

      I will take Reuters over The Federalist any day of the week.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

        Look at Jeff try and pretend that Rueters isn't being explicitly dishonest because Federalist or something.

        Reuters is explicitly anti-Israel and is in no way neutral like NaziJeff here is trying to pretend. Not only did I give him citations here yesterday, but up in today’s Roundup itself Liz posts numerous examples of Reuters deliberate and purposeful bias and dishonesty.

        However, just like Goebbels, Jeff is just going to lie about anything that challenges his narratives and propaganda sources.

        Reason #2,936,889 that I call Jeff a Nazi.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

          Reuters is explicitly anti-Israel

          You do this a lot – make naked claims with little if any evidence or proof for these claims. This is part of your strategy, just make shit up and hope no one notices, right?

          I have not seen any evidence that Reuters is “explicitly anti-Israel”. I have seen that they are not biased towards Israel, and that is what makes you mad.

          up in today’s Roundup itself Liz posts numerous examples of Reuters deliberate and purposeful bias and dishonesty.

          That is not even true. There is only one Reuters story mentioned, and the criticism of that story is for something that Reuters didn’t even do.

          So, why don’t you give some actual proof that Reuters is “explicitly anti-Israel”. Your citations yesterday didn’t do it, all they showed was that they weren’t biased towards Israel. Your claim today is a lie. What is it?

          My prediction is that you will do no work to try to prove your claim. You will instead try to shift the burden of proof - that is a common trick of yours. "Prove that they aren't anti-Israel! You can't do it, huh!!!" Or you'll call me names. Or maybe you will just run away. And then you'll just repeat the same crap over and over again. Because you are a fifty-center shill.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            You do realize there's a reason they get the nickname "al Reuters", right?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Who gave them that nickname? The same people who are pissed off at them that they won't report on the Israel-Hamas war in a way that is most deferential to Israel?

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                Why not you just say "the Jooz" instead of beating around the bush with "the same people", Herr Jeffenboch? We all know what you mean anyway.

                Maybe you and Frau Misek could date.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                  I’m actually referring to right-wingers like you who professionally complain about the media.

                  1. R Mac   2 years ago

                    You think ML gets paid to complain about the media?

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Huh. So you twisted what I wrote into something that I didn't say. How uncharacteristic of you to lie about me, Troll Mac

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          His idiotic assertions that main stream journalists don't have a bias is hilarious.

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      Oh also, yesterday we learned that Jesse really thinks that The Federalist is a real news site just like CNN.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        CNN is a Democratic Party smear shop. The fact that you are even pretending that it's real news demonstrates what a party extremist and politruck you really are.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          CNN is way more legitimate news than The Federalist.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            You mean the same CNN that had CNN contributor Donna Brazile pass on questions to the Clinton campaign for a CNN-sponsored debate? The same CNN whose 2020 debate moderation behavior was described as "villainous and shameful" by Matt Taibbi? The same CNN that commonly gives Republicans a negative light to promote Democrats?

            Thanks for the laugh, Jeffy.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Hey! They also won numerous stories that were false such as Trump russia and had to pay Sandman a lot of money for false reporting! They are outstanding unbiased journalists.

            2. Chumby   2 years ago

              If it was called The Federast, there might be more support from the NPCs.

            3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Yup. CNN is still better.

              CNN is definitely biased but does still present both sides.

              The Federalist is absolutely biased and never presents anything but one side.

              1. R Mac   2 years ago

                Haha! CNN is straight propaganda you hack.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  If CNN is "straight propaganda" then so is The Federalist then.

                  1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    There's no "if" there, Reichsjeff.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Fuck off, asshole.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                      Say, when are you going to provide any proof of your claim that I’m a Nazi? Particularly the part where I supposedly support Aktion T4. That's a pretty good one.

          2. DesigNate   2 years ago

            The fact that you think that says more about you then it does about them.

      2. Moonrocks   2 years ago

        Wait, what? Since when was CNN a real news site?

        1. John C. Randolph   2 years ago

          Never. It was started by Teddy Turner, the notorious lefturd prick.

          -jcr

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

      And for Jeff. A federalist article filled with facts for him to ignore about Newsguard, one of his favorite censorship companies, who developed programs with DoD dollars and is now selling the product that helps determine "misinformation" or information that disagrees with his narrative.

      https://thefederalist.com/2023/11/27/newsguard-is-selling-its-government-funded-censorship-tool-to-private-companies/

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        The last paragraph of your article is pure opinion:

        So yes, NewsGuard’s efforts to silence speech and to destroy the financial survival of disfavored outlets and social media companies is a problem. However, fighting NewsGuard’s anti-American attack on free speech isn’t enough. Rather, it is the totality of the federal government’s efforts to control speech that must be destroyed — or our freedom of speech will be.

        The problem is that if you rely on articles like this for your information, you aren't getting the entire story. You are being sold a narrative. Take this sentence from your article:

        And because NewsGuard worked with the Department of Defense “to test the effectiveness of the Fingerprints in detecting state-sponsored disinformation campaigns,” it seems likely the government had some input in determining what qualified as “disinformation.”

        "it seems likely"? It does? How do you know? What is the evidence for this claim? But the point of this article is not to provide the facts needed to let the reader make up his/her own mind. The point of the article is to sell the reader on an opinion, and to deliver a believable enough story with only the facts necessary to close the sale.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Yeah, it’s an opinion that the free press should fight against government censorship, technically. In the last paragraph.

          They should definitely provide the other side of that opinion, lol.

          HONK HONK!

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            For an opinion piece? No, they shouldn't feel obligated to provide the other side.

            For a NEWS ARTICLE? They shouldn't be offering opinions like that in the first place anyway. Right?

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Wait, are you claiming Newsguard isn't taking government money to run censorship campaigns against American companies?

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Wait, are you pulling one of your argumentation tricks where you try to switch the argument into something totally different? Why yes, I think you are!

                You do this when I make a valid point, you can't rebut it honestly, so you pull one of your tricks. Like burden-shifting, or changing the subject.

                You would LOVE to try to argue the validity of the opinion in that Federalist article, when that isn't the point at all of my critique. Whether the opinion is true or false is totally besides the point. The point is that IT'S AN OPINION, NOT A NEWS ARTICLE.

                So, will you say honestly that the article is an opinion piece and not a news article, thereby agreeing with me? Yes or no?

  31. mad.casual   2 years ago

    "Should people have the right to say awful things without facing legal consequences (It makes no difference either way, your planet is doomed. Doomed!)?" "asks" Jay Caspian Kang in The New Yorker.

  32. Alan Vanneman   2 years ago

    Excuse me for not being a member of the urban elite, Liz Wolfe, but Jimmy Johns ROCKS MY WORLD! You can take your artisan loaves and imported jamones and stick 'em where the sun don't shine!

  33. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    This carbon cap-and-trade system we endorsed isn't working like we thought it would!

    Washington’s “cap-and-invest” carbon pricing system faces a precarious future. Organizers of an initiative to repeal the nascent market last week delivered 400,000 signatures to be verified by the Secretary of State’s Office. On signs, supporters lampooned a 2022 quote from Gov. Jay Inslee that cap-and-trade in the state would result in gas price increases in “pennies.” The increase was likely closer to between a quarter or two per gallon. Oil companies simply passed along the program’s new costs to consumers.

    Voters might well send the auction system up in smoke — and billions of dollars in future proceeds to help decarbonize the state. Washington voters twice before rejected initiatives to tax carbon.

    I know, those pesky voters. Populism sucks.

    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      I think it’s so terrible and unfair that inslee flies under the radar for the worst governor in the country competition.

      I know newsom and hochul are running the glamour states into the ground, but I think jay is in the same league as them. Honorable mention at least.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        What’s Whitless, chopped liver?

  34. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    "Should people have the right to say awful things without facing legal consequences?" asks Jay Caspian Kang in The New Yorker. (Yes. Next question.)

    When he wuz Kangs...

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      I thought Caspian was a prince.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        And here I thought Caspian was a body of water.

  35. NOYB2   2 years ago (edited)

    Chinese state propaganda refers to working women above the age of 27, who are unmarried and do not have kids, as “leftover women.” Here is a fascinating read about how they’re charting their own paths, and how the state is struggling to reverse its baby bust.

    Oh, the US does a lot better than that!

    Our state refers to men with bad makeup “women” and punishes you to go along, all with the goal of getting the US birth rate as low as China’s and Europe’s and importing illiberal, compliant, low skill peasants as replacements for the native population.

  36. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Interesting commentary from a conservative Republican.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-my-disdain-for-trump-wont-stop-me-from-being-a-republican

    He doesn't like Trump but he still considers himself a Republican. I think he uses too many analogies but I think it's worth reading.

    1. NOYB2   2 years ago

      As a former Democrat, I have to say that my liberal, libertarian, gay, immigrant principles/interests have no home in the Democratic party anymore. The Democrats have reverted to their old fascist ways of FDR days.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        That’s why Lying Jeffy loves them so much.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      The daily beast?
      Not worth reading.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        But also Jeff, "The Federalist is extremist"

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          I think he's referring to the "questionable source", extreme right biased online magazine, "The Federalist", rather than the Federalist papers.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Stop sockpuppeting, Jeffy.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          It is just hilarious at this point.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            On par with Shrike calling Media Matters, "non-partisan".

        3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          I didn't say they were "extremist", they are a mainstream conservative OPINION site. Emphasis on OPINION. That you all think they are a NEWS site on par with CNN is the amusing part.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            And yet, you posted opinion from a site known to be rather left extremist, the Daily Beast. Pot, kettle much, Jeffy?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              I also don't regard them as a NEWS site, like Jesse does.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      If we were to use the analogy of a car—as conservative writer Jonah Goldberg does—the Democrat’s foot is always on the gas pedal
      This holds true even if we are about to hit a huge bump in the road. This holds true even if we have blown past our destination by a hundred miles with the check engine light on and the gas gauge on empty.
      Conservative Republicans are there to pump the brakes and ensure the speed limit is being followed. We keep Democrats from picking up too many weirdo hitchhikers along the way.
      We give the engine a rest, so it can cool down and prevent Democrats from driving the car off the cliff entirely.

      Figure that he'd cite Goldberg, but what's notable here is that both of them admit that the center-right isn't actually there to "conserve" anything--it's just there to ensure the Overton Window doesn't get pushed far to the left faster than the left wants. Lewis claims to be pro-life but is fine with Haley's "let's just find out what the Democrats are willing to give us on abortion and accept that" stance.

      In about ten-fifteen years, they'll be saying "Librulz r da reel transpobes!" and claim that they were always in favor of kids having their breasts and genitals removed. The only principle these people actually have is maintaining political amity and begging for a nice word from the left.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        I'll just repeat this comment from the Goldberg article as to why people like Lewis talk like this:

        Red Rocks White Privilege 5 months ago
        A big part of being in that political wilderness is that they can’t actually bring themselves to openly embrace social leftism like a lot of other neocons have done since 2016. In formerly purple areas like Colorado that became deep blue, you have a lot of ex-Republicans who switched parties or call themselves “independent” but fully support Democrat politicians, and they’ve been able to change their opinions in order to fit in, simply so they have a seat at the table in their home state or city.

        The Dispatch crowd are completely rootless, and so making that full-on switch is a lot more difficult because they aren’t subject to that same peer pressure. Their entire motivation is to turn the clock on the GOP back to 2005.

    4. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      The part extremists like you can't seem to get your brain around is that many people here support Trump but not the Republicans. You think that they're supposed to be like Democrats, the party uber alles.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        So Trump is actually the "RINO"?

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          I'll bet your mommy told you that was "clever"! Your mommy lies; you're an ignoramus.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        "extremist" lol
        I suppose libertarianism is rather extremist to a Trumper like you.

        many people here support Trump but not the Republicans.

        That explains your lack of principles.

        1. LIBertrans   2 years ago

          What lack? Ban everything and jail everyone have been mystical fascist principles since Mussolini, Hitler, Franco and Herbert Hoover decided to build "a new race."

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Yeah, that's definitely where Jeff and the Democrats are, unless it involves sexuality and kids and then it's "Do as thou willst".

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          1. You're a Nazi in the classical sense of the word, Jeff, and as far from a libertarian as one could possibly be.

          2. Supporting censorship, euthanasia, late-term abortion, castrating children, pederasty and Nazi race theory is about as extremist as one can get barring cannibalism.

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            Has anyone ever asked Lying Jeffy if he’d denounce cannibalism?

            Hey Lying Jeffy, what are your thoughts on cannibalism?

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            1. You’re a Nazi

            blah blah blah - that's just a schoolyard taunt coming from you. Congratulations you've so overused the accusation you have completely devalued it.

            "You're a Nazi!"
            "You're totally a Nazi!"
            "You're a super-duper Nazi!"
            "You're a CLASSICAL Nazi!" (Is there a non-classical Nazi?)

            so STFU, Nazi.

            2. Supporting censorship, euthanasia, late-term abortion, castrating children, pederasty and Nazi race theory is about as extremist as one can get barring cannibalism.

            So is this the next taunt coming from you? You are going to call me a cannibal?

            Are you willing to have a serious, intellectual, academic debate on any one of those topics (not cannibalism, lol), that is free from your usual logical fallacies - no insults, no tricks? Or are you just going to throw out those terms ad nauseum for ever and ever?

            Here, maybe I'll just do the same thing.

            "ML supports enslaving women to the kitchen where they are barefoot and pregnant all the time, mandating Christianity in schools, throwing gays back into the closet (when he's not throwing them off of rooftops), 'backing the blue' when they gun down drivers for Driving While Black, suppressing the vote, and murdering progressives until they submit to the right-wing utopia that he seeks to create."

            There, that sounds about right. What do you think? Is that a fair representation of your views? Oh, you want me to provide proof for these claims? No, I'm not going to be bothered to provide proof for any of these things!

    5. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      So you cherry picked a never Trumper who essentially is a neocon these days, praising people like Jonah Goldberg. He's also seemingly happy with being the controlled and constrained opposition rather than winning.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        These people aren't called Conservative, Inc. for nothing.

    6. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      I'll put up with whatever the Democrats dish out as long as it comes with more markets.

      1. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Narrator: It did not come with more markets.

    7. LIBertrans   2 years ago

      Their platform is the thing to read. Compare it with Hitler's speeches.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        All right Hank. Do it. Compare, you dishonest old goat.

        Here's one: https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/haken32.htm

        Go hard. Compare.

  37. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

    "Should people have the right to say awful things without facing legal consequences?"

    Obviously that depends on the skin color, sexual identity, and religious affiliation of the parties involved.

  38. Rob Misek   2 years ago

    “Should people have the right to say awful things without facing legal consequences?”

    Here’s a unique perspective.

    Absolutely if it can be proven true with correctly applied logic and science.

    If truth aka reality isn’t an admissible defence, what is?

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      Ministry of Truth and Science! They’ll need a Reichsminister.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      So no more fiction books in the library?
      Oh, I forgot, you want to burn books.

  39. JFree   2 years ago (edited)

    Israeli authorities say that she detonated a car bomb in an act of terrorism at a checkpoint near Israeli police, permanently disabling one officer.

    What a fucking tool of the state you are Reason/Wolfe. There is nothing innocent about the target of this attack here. He is not a civilian. Nor was he a neutral (eg off-duty walking to get groceries). He was engaged in the sharp end of the stick work of an illegal annexation or a ‘belligerent occupation’ (which is what even the Israeli Supreme Court accepts the occupation as). It is not a terrorist attack no matter how violent.

    The ONLY reason Israelis call all such actions ‘terrorism’ is to deny ALL ‘legitimacy’ to any and all resistance towards soldiers or police or other agents of the state performing occupation/annexation duties. Any resistance from failing to carry the correct papers to attempted murder is deemed ‘terrorism’.

    The only reason YOU repeat that state propaganda unquestioningly accepting it as ‘terrorism’ is because you are deep up the ass-end of a state munching on its dingleberries. What a pathetic political philosophy your ‘libertarianism’ is.

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      "...The only reason YOU repeat that state propaganda unquestioningly accepting it as ‘terrorism’ is because you are deep up the ass-end of a state munching on its dingleberries. What a pathetic political philosophy your ‘libertarianism’ is."

      Gee, chicken little, that's a lot of whako rage to justify your antisemitism.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Now we know that JFree actually means J(ew)Free.

        Interesting to see the masks come off these Nazis as this slow rolling Kristalnacht unfolds.

        1. JFree   2 years ago

          You're on ignore

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            Oh my!

    2. LIBertrans   2 years ago

      The Voice of Christian National Socialism has found a platform.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "Israel is Christian National Socialism"

        Oh wow!

      2. JFree   2 years ago

        I have no idea what that even means. You probably don't either.

    3. John C. Randolph   2 years ago

      Hamas wants you dead too, sparky. What you're signaling isn't virtue.

      -jcr

  40. LIBertrans   2 years ago

    So Army Of God Lizard is sticking up for fellow girl-bullying Islamic Jihad mystics in--of all places--Reason magazine! Birds of a feather...

  41. AT   2 years ago

    Meaning Hamas just got 100 free hostages.

  42. AT   2 years ago

    Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who was convicted of killing George Floyd, was stabbed in prison on Friday.

    Well the knife can't breathe, so obviously it's not party to any blame.

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