Giving Away Food from Government to Government Isn't the Best Way to Solve World Hunger
Freer markets and property rights protections can be more efficient means to deal with localized food shortages.

Thanksgiving week is a time to be grateful for the nutritional abundance you enjoy, and for many an appropriate time to think about how to help those who have so much less. A study released last month by the Cato Institute suggests that those who support U.S. government-to-foreign-government food delivery aid as the best means to ensure more abundant food access across the globe should think again.
The study, written by Chris Edwards, Colin Grabow, and Krit Chanwong, close-focuses on three specific food aid programs under the auspices of the U.S. Department of Agriculture and details their overarching flaws. These problems include that "US food aid can undermine agriculture in recipient countries and exacerbate conflicts in strife‐torn regions. Even in situations where food aid can reduce hunger, shipping US food abroad is an expensive way to help poor countries, particularly because of cargo preference rules requiring the use of US‐flagged ships. It is also usually slower to ship US food to needy countries than to procure it locally near aid recipients."
One program examined, Food for Peace, arose in 1954 mostly as a means to get rid of excess U.S. food production encouraged by government subsidies to American farmers. It involves direct shipping of food overseas, mostly for emergencies; the U.S. spent $2.28 billion on this in 2022. Another aid program, Food for Progress (2022 cost: $127 million), ships U.S. food abroad, not for direct giveaways to the hungry, but to be sold in foreign markets for cash that is then supposed to be used to help foreign development. A 2002 program known as McGovern-Dole (2022 cost: $193 million), as the Cato study explains, "donates food to schoolchildren and other groups in poor countries, while also helping countries expand their government food programs."
The study details some of the problems with these seemingly unobjectionable schemes of hunger philanthropy. These include harming local farmers trying to sell their products by displacing them in the markets where they need to sell to survive. A 2017 study cited by the Cato authors, written by Simon Gao and Barrett E. Kirwan of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, called "Does U.S. Food Aid Crowdout Local Food Production?" found that "U.S. cereal aid reduces cereal production in recipient countries… In terms of food aid quantity, if the average amount of food aid were to double, food aid would increase by 70,832 metric tons (MT) and production in the recipient country would fall by 173,952 MT."
Free food in certain foreign countries can just create a valuable thing to be fought over, militarily or in decisions about which elements in a country get cared for. As the Cato authors write:
In a statistical study covering the years 1971 to 2006 across 125 countries, Nathan Nunn and Nancy Qian found that "an increase in US food aid increases the incidence and duration of civil conflicts." Nunn and Qian explain, "Because food aid is regularly transported across vast geographic territories, it is a particularly attractive target for armed factions." Furthermore, "Governments that receive aid often target it to specific populations, excluding opposition groups or populations in potentially rebellious regions. This has been noted to increase hostilities and promote conflict."
…The problem with the USDA's aid programs is that they are rigidly based on shipping US‐sourced food that can be hijacked by warring parties and used to extend conflicts, which can be a counterproductive way to help troubled countries.
And far from being a quick way to deal with overseas food emergencies, "the lengthy amount of time needed for delivery reduces its usefulness. US food aid shipments typically take four to six months to reach destinations abroad."
The authors point out that aid programs that procure food in markets near where it's needed are far quicker and cheaper ways to deliver food aid, but are not beloved of domestic agricultural interests.
Policies designed to help domestic interests while supposedly meant to help hungry foreigners extend to how we deliver food aid overseas. As the study reports:
the Cargo Preference Act of 1954…requires that at least half the tonnage of government‐impelled cargo—including food aid—be shipped on US‐flagged vessels. Food for Peace, Food for Progress, and McGovern‐Dole must abide by these rules. Competition is limited among US‐flagged vessels, and they are about three times more expensive to operate than their foreign‐flagged counterparts.
According to economist Vincent Smith and Senator Jim Risch (R‑ID), the "overwhelming majority" of US food aid is transported on dry‐bulk ships. There are only four such ships in the US merchant fleet, three of which are owned by a single company. The GAO has pointed to the "very small pool" of US‐flagged vessels eligible to transport food aid, which "limits agencies' selection and flexibility, and leads to inefficient choices of trade." By mandating the use of expensive US ships, cargo preference rules result in higher taxpayer costs for aid programs….A USAID spokesperson at a 2019 hearing said that US‐flagged ships are "twice as expensive as normal vessels from other countries."
The Cato scholars argue that a movement toward general international market liberalization is likely a more effective way to reduce world hunger than shipping food bought from U.S. farmers slowly across the sea on expensive ships, insisting that indeed freer markets have already demonstrated their effectiveness in that regard: "The average share of populations undernourished in the least‐free quartile of countries is 20 percent compared to the most‐free quartile at just 3 percent. To reduce hunger, poor nations should free their economies, and many nations have. Despite a recent reversal due to conflicts and the COVID-19 pandemic, global hunger has plunged over the past half‐century as more countries have adopted market‐based economic policies," something we can all be thankful for.
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You mean let the Citizens send a check if they want to support a cause, right? With that, I fully agree.
Besides, Governments virtue-signalling with food is like playing with it. It's just not hygienic or polite.
Foreign aid is an instrument of US foreign policy. Opposing it is effectively arguing for unilateral disarmament against our enemies like China and Russia.
The enemies are in Washington. Neither Russia nor China are invading the US. DC continues to devalue to dollar to Continental levels. If you want to play mommy and daddy to folks elsewhere, use your own money.
Ackshuyally, the worst enemy of Russia and China plying influence in the developing world would be nations producing their own food supplies in whatever is suitable to climate and trading with each other in everything else.
As the article points out, Foreign aid discourages both production and trade in food and other necessities as well.
The US defends itself against China and Russia with military hardware.
Food and money are a way of bribing foreign governments, mostly for crony capitalist purposes; they have nothing to do with US defense.
I don't disagree in principle, but there's little argument to be made in financial terms. First, most of the money ends up as a backdoor subsidy to US businesses. Second, total foreign aid is little more than a rounding error in the US budget. Eliminating it wouldn't put a notable dent in the deficit or debt.
Baby steps. Let's start ending wasteful and corrupt government programs one wasteful and corrupt government program at a time.
A popular joke comes true.
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As the son said to his elderly mother when she finally answered the door: "Can't You Hear Me Knockin'?"
"From/to government " :: "isn't the best way" is a tautology.
A repeating lesson throughout humanity and it’s flirtation with government. Gov – ‘Guns’ don’t make sh*t and STEALING sh*t isn’t sustainable. *EARNING* in a just market is required for a balanced equation. And that *EARNING* part is exactly the difference between charity and armed-robbery.
Government is nothing but an entity of gun-force (it’s distinct attribute) and there’s no such thing as FORCED charity. It’s been correctly called armed-robbery since the beginning of civilized time.
Actually govermnents have in the past made a lot of stuff that has created economic benefits, especially in transportation infrastructure. The first big example in the US was the Erie Canal, 200 years ago
'Guns' did not make the Erie Canal by any other means than slavery.
Leftards - Still the party of slavery.
Slave labor did not build the Erie Canal. And you know that. It was built with government money raised from taxes and bonds. So yesx guns. You don't pay your taxes you go to prison.
So your labors were taken from you by force. Don't try to sugar coat what it is by calling it just 'taxes'. Maybe you'd like to call slavery just labor tax for the plantation owners too huh? 1% slave, 10% slave, 20% slave, 100% slave. Little by little still supporting the notion of a growing slave state.
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Biden would try that even nearly 50 years after that became part of our culture.
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Gee, I seem to recall a maxim about teaching a man to fish, instead of simply giving him a fish.
In most desparately poor countries, corrupt govermnents steal the fish.
China has massive slave flotillas, and massive trowls to destroy the fishing industry
Yet you seem to advocate for government to control the good distribution above.
So we should send them even more fish to steal?
You’re not thinking this through, chuck. Cuz you’re an idiot.
So let’s give those governments free shit?
And yet, we'd rather ignore those corrupt governments and let them flourish. Because "endless war" is icky.
+1000000... Exactly. Well Said.
Whoa, you do remember that Clinton DESTROYED the Haitian farmers' livelihood doing that. C'mon , Reason, youi change your tune way too much
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Geert Wilders wins in the Netherlands, in yet another sign that more and more people throughout the western world have increasingly decided that they've had enough of Obamian-Weigelian far left radical socialism and wokeism.
Wilders is a Big Government guy.
For a certain type of conservative. while they profess a preference for smaller government, etc. their priorities are nationalism, racism, etc. and so they happily compromise on their small-government/"freedom" principles if a candidate advocates for their priorities.
"and so they happily compromise "
Compromise means some deliberation is involved. I don't think that's necessarily the case. Take voter ID, for example, a popular solution advocated routinely and unthinkingly by the right. Voter ID would mean the creation of yet another government bureaucracy, one to verify, process, produce and distribute the IDs, and possibly another to check and police them once election day comes.
Because so few people already have an ID.
"Because so few people already have an ID."
You mean like the government issued driver's license? That's your model? And rightists want to duplicate this bureaucracy with government issued voter ID? My advice: deeper deliberation.
Every fucking country in the Western world aside from the US requires proof of ID to vote. Passports, drivers licenses, SS cards, state identification cards, Native American tribe IDs, Military IDs, Permanent Resident Cards, Baptismal certificates, etc.
The only possible fucking reason to oppose it is for the purposes of vote fraud.
And before you try and pretend that poor people and minorities are too fucking stupid to get IDs, I'll remind you that they already have IDs to buy beer, weed and cigarettes, register a car, open a bank account, get a loan, use a credit card, board an airplane, file for benefits, get a job, start a business, ad nauseam.
"The only possible fucking reason to oppose it is for the purposes of vote fraud."
There are plenty of easier ways to rig elections other than voter fraud. If you want to rig an election, and you have money and determination, ID cards are just another obstacle to surmount. You're not going to let ID cards stop you.
"I’ll remind you that they already have IDs to buy beer, weed and cigarettes, register a car, open a bank account, get a loan, use a credit card, board an airplane, file for benefits, get a job, start a business, ad nauseam."
What do you mean ad nauseam? You evidently think these poor people need even more IDs. If you are truly nauseated by all the IDs we are required to carry, you wouldn't be asking for more.
People shrink away from national ID or voter ID because it creates intrusive bureaucracy and worse, being subject to the indignities and endless busywork these bureaucrats inflict on them. I can't figure your attraction to them. Maybe you feel that they're some sort of security blanket to give you comfort in scary uncertain times. and the government will provide.
You evidently think these poor people need even more IDs. If you are truly nauseated by all the IDs we are required to carry, you wouldn’t be asking for more.
How colossally dumb. The same ID you use to buy beer, open a checking account, or file for benefits can be used for voting. Nobody is asking to create a separate ID card exclusively to vote with, just checking the ID that people should already have. In Georgia, they’ll take your expired driver’s license, as long as it has a photo that is recognizably you, so elderly folks don’t need to keep it maintained.
"just checking the ID that people should already have"
That will still require a bureaucracy to do the checking. IDs don't check themselves. And for what? I've already made it clear that the cards won't prevent election rigging, which is most effectively done either before the voting begins or after it's finished. You clearly haven't thought this through, and are driven by emotional concerns.
If you had any Libertarian inclinations, you'd be calling for an end to the 'papers please' regime the state is imposing on us, rather than calling for an extension of it. Show us you are a principled person, for god's sake.
UR a F’En joke of every criminal intention imaginable.
Voting integrity is one of the most basic/important parts of maintaining a *just* representation process. Ensuring justice is the very point of having a government. Yet you complain when it enforces justice (fair-play) and seem to lobby for it when it commits crimes (wealth distribution / stealing).
You left-leaners do that a lot. Lobby for every crime while becoming an anarchist when crime/fraud is prevented. Why it’s almost like you’re all just down-right criminals at heart.
But there is some credit due in acknowledging that there is a monopoly of 'justice' by government concerning elections because it does all of it. I've always thought multiple individual private services (checks and balances) working under laws of justice would ensure far more honorable elections because where do you turn when government is the one frauding elections precisely because they're the monopoly of it?
Voter ID will necessitate a government bureaucracy and bottlenecks to voting. It won't prevent wicked people from rigging elections. I understand the emotional attraction to what is purported to be a quick and easy solution to the problems you see. But clearly, you haven't thought things through. This is the point I was trying to make in the original comment.
"because where do you turn when government is the one frauding elections precisely because they’re the monopoly of it?"
You take to the streets. Any leftist will tell you. Fraudsters fear that far more than the government issued voter IDs that you put so much faith in.
You paraphrased, "Ensuring election integrity is a bottleneck.."
I think everyone's got you pegged pretty accurately...
You're not doing anything but lobbying for voter fraud.
"You’re not doing anything but lobbying for voter fraud."
Some voter fraud is inevitable. Your idea of government issued voter ID cards isn't going to change that. And there are ways that it will make things worse. I urge you to spend some time thinking about what I've written.
At first I thought you were only against government issued voter ID cards which I agree with (Federal at least). But your claims of "voter suppression" if any form of identification (listed by Lament above) shows that's not really what you are against.
Read the list of substitute IDs:
Passports, drivers licenses, SS cards, state identification cards, Native American tribe IDs, Military IDs, Permanent Resident Cards, Baptismal certificates, etc.
Come election day, you will need an army of bureaucrats competent enough to examine and verify all these (and more) documents. It will create a huge bottleneck. And for nothing. Vote rigging will continue. I urge you to think of the unintended consequences of the measures you support.
Kind of like the ?huge? bureaucracy it takes to validate cash at your local gas station? No, I'm not concerned one bit.
In fact I'd like to see every voting station have up to 5 entirely independent/private ballot receiving/counting stations that would verify ID and residency and then have all of the 5 totals contrasted with each other publicly and daily (checks and balances).
Because no one with a straight head can honestly think a candidate can take such a lead by in-person during the day and legitimately have it withered away by mystery ballots at night that are running 90% all for the opposite candidate as the lead.
I don't know the best solution but that BS is down-right criminal just like the many other Marxist "democracy" cheats seen in other terrible nations.
"Kind of like the ?huge? bureaucracy it takes to validate cash at your local gas station? No, I’m not concerned one bit. "
One per gas station.
Q: How many gas stations in the country?
A: Huge.
"Because no one with a straight head can honestly think a candidate can take such a lead by in-person during the day and legitimately have it withered away by mystery ballots at night that are running 90% all for the opposite candidate as the lead."
That sounds like fraudulent counting. I've already explained that voter ID cards will do nothing to stop this.
"In fact I’d like to see every voting station have up to 5 entirely independent/private ballot receiving/counting stations that would verify ID and residency and then have all of the 5 totals contrasted with each other publicly and daily (checks and balances)."
You're adding bottlenecks. You could also add purple thumbs like the famous election in Iraq. Your ideas are defensible but they cost time and effort, which discourages busy people from showing up, which makes the election results less representative, less legitimate. We could make election day a statutory holiday. Then the bottlenecks and time wasted standing in line, like for some Soviet bakery, won't be so intolerable.
You continue endless to prove you're only interested in enabling voter fraud. Clear down to complaining about a gas-station line having a counter-person to collect and verify payment is too much bureaucracy.... You obviously don't give even a speckle of concern towards election integrity.
Please mtrueman knows those uppity darkies are to stupid to get an ID. And look at all the far right groups chanting gas the jews!
Voter IDs will require an expansion of government reach, government bureaucracy, government power and government surveillance. You can't deny it. Hence the jew gassing blather.
It would require no such thing and you know it.
Never go full shrike.
"It would require no such thing and you know it."
More to the point, I know how governments work, something you could look into. Countries like China have these sorts of national ID cards. Once you've got something like that in place, governments just keep coming up with new uses for it. Opening a bank account, traveling by plane, logging on to the internet, and so on. You're giving the government a weapon they'll use against you.
Is it anything like an SSN?
It's like whatever the government wants it to be. Your mistake is to believe that their wants and yours coincide. Your other mistake is to believe that a voter ID would prevent wicked people from rigging elections.
I concur with your concerns about national ID voting cards but mystery ballot stuffing isn't a sensible solution. It's really the State's job to ensure voting integrity but the left has destroyed that responsibility with every vote counts and paper-voters (not by physical-person) and ID-less voters and executive fiat for lawless voting and ignoring foreign network connections to their equipment and, and, and, and..... Ignoring the fraud doesn't make it go away.
" Ignoring the fraud doesn’t make it go away."
Some fraud is probably inevitable. It's a matter of balance of integrity, which makes voting more difficult, adding roadblocks and bottlenecks, and encouraging as large and representative a turnout as possible. The problem with the voter ID is that it requires a bureaucracy to produce and distribute the cards.
Problem is "encouraging as large and representative a turnout as possible" has literally turned into "encouraging as much voter fraud as possible".
Fraud doesn't make a larger representation. It dilutes it and cheats it.
"Fraud doesn’t make a larger representation. It dilutes it and cheats it."
I've told you many times now, these government issued ID cards are not going to stop voter fraud. They will add complexity, and confusion to the process and create bureaucracy as well. Think about what you are asking for. That's all I ask of you.
“Think about what you are asking for.”
A physical person.
A person that can reasonably verify a unique name/id, citizenship and a single-point of residency.
You.
Oh No!!! Too much bureaucracy!!! The horror!!!
It’s all just too much unless thousands of mystery votes can be cast/counted!!
But I’m all ears – got a better method to verify election integrity? Because the current system has already lost it’s popular trust and it lost it with the BS 'voter suppression' claims that brought about anonymous/mail/drop-box voting scams.
Ironically the very 'excuse' used to enact such scam voting laws. When mail voting was first tried it's acceptance was based on it being inline with in person votes. That 'excuse' doesn't exist after the last election.
But if one really wants to point a finger it's at a Constitutional Lawless politicians (Al'Capone's and Hitlers) getting elected and ignoring the law over them and making Nazi-legislation so important in the first place. People have got to stop thinking the USA is just a "democracy" ([WE] majority-gangsters RULE) and honor what the USA is --- A nation founded on Individual Liberty and Justice for all.
"You.
Oh No!!! Too much bureaucracy!!! The horror!!!"
It's not just me. Read the comments here. Many distrust government bureaucracies.
"got a better method to verify election integrity"
My impulse is to simplify. Paper and pencil ballots. Your impulse is to complicate matters, with potential voters having to bring along a raft of paper work to the voting booth for bureaucrats to pore over and verify. I instinctively reject such an approach, because it is time consuming, expensive and can always be gamed. KISS should be your watch words. Keep It Simple Stupid. (It's just an expression, not saying you are stupid.)
Oh so it wasn’t the farm animals… It was paper & pencil’s that are the suppressed voters. Better known as ballot printers/harvesters. Did you just accidentally rat-out the fraud in the last election? And ‘simply’ trying to make it a legal scam?
Let me guess you’re a de-fund the police advocate also. Having a police to stop fraud is just too much bureaucracy…… /s
I had you pegged clear back at "Lobby for every crime while becoming an anarchist when crime/fraud is prevented."
He probably also knows that a great majority of those darkies have said they support requiring an ID to vote. But he knows better for them.
"But he knows better for them."
I don't think we can solve our problems by expanding government bureaucracy. You evidently disagree or haven't bothered to think it through, preferring to parrot the vile race baiting, like the coward you are.
Giving your ID when buying a gun or cigarettes is cool, but for preventing vote fraud it's bUrEaUcRaCy
" preventing vote fraud "
Voter IDs from the government won't prevent voter fraud. Elections will be continued to be rigged. Professionals and criminals will do the rigging.
I think one of the most prevalent ways to rig elections is voter suppression. Arrange robocalls to convince targeted voters that their name is on a list of those who can't vote so don't bother trying, Or that their polling station has been changed to a distant county or other such rat fucking mischief.
Rigging the voting must be difficult or impossible given the large number of physical people required to pull it off successfully. Better to do your rigging when the votes are being counted. Wait until those physical bodies are transmogrified into bits and bytes on a computer. That's what the GRU do.
LMAO.... "voter suppression"? And where exactly does that ever happen? On all your farm animals or what? What a load of BS.
We're closer to having more votes than population than some entirely imagined deceitful BS garbage about voter suppression.
Making up imaginary crimes to expand voter fraud is all that BS is.
“voter suppression”
It's a way of rigging elections by deceiving potential opposing voters into not going to the polls. A government issued voter ID would have no effect. Voter suppression is a lot cheaper and easier to organize than the fraudulent voting that you seem most concerned about. Rigging the counting, after all the votes have been cast is similarly more effective and similarly, government issued voter ID is not going to help. Hacking computers is easier than mobilizing thousands of fraudulent voters. If you are truly concerned about election integrity, there are so many more plausible threats. You should recognize this.
"And where exactly does that ever happen? "
Off hand, I'd say everywhere there are elections. Where do you think it happens?
So in other words you can't give a single substantial example of this so called "voter suppression" ever happening because lets face it; That hasn't been a thing since the days of slavery.
So why are you using it ("voter suppression") to block voter ID requirements? There is absolutely no reason for it to be a distinct ID; you got that part right so why do you keep pretending it has to be? All the tools/arguments you are using is for anonymous voting so I must assume you mean the voter suppression of your farm animals.
"So in other words you can’t give a single substantial example of this so called “voter suppression” ever happening because lets face it;"
If you're interested in voter suppression, do your own research. I'm not here to spoon feed you. Enter 'voter suppression' in a search engine.
"I must assume you mean the voter suppression of your farm animals."
You're not being clear. I don't have farm animals and they wouldn't vote if I did. Do the search I recommended and think before you post.
So.... There is no such thing except in some BS propaganda articles which will say a+b+c=d. Which is really nothing but articles of manipulation, indoctrination and deception about calling a horse, cat and dog suppressed voters? Ya... There is no actual case to be found. It's all just imaginary BS to enable voter fraud.
"There is no such thing "
Why not? Because the wicked people who rig elections would never think of stooping so low as to attempt to suppress turnout? This seems terribly naive.
"except in some BS propaganda articles which will say a+b+c=d. "
Three numbers (a,b,c) added together are equal to a fourth (d). There's nothing wrong there.
Suppressing illegal votes!!! Oh; the horror!!! /s
That’s a lovely bigotry of low expectations there.
Not surprising at all.
The top priority of course is reducing as much of the state as possible, but that goes hand-in-hand with the other big priority, which is fighting against communist scum like you.
"which is fighting against communist scum like you."
Communists make the best fighters against communists. You'd do well to study the rule of Stalin. Over 80 years have passed and he still holds the record for communist corpses.
Yes... Please keep you communist genocide BS just as local as possible and stop trying to make everything 'federal'.
I liked G. Wilders in Young Frankenstein.
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"insisting that indeed freer markets have already demonstrated their effectiveness"
Markets have their place but it's not the end of the story. Look at India during the Victorian era. Hungry farmers watched train loads of their grain headed for England where a better price could be obtained despite the transportation costs. Today, similarly, Ethiopian farmers grow flowers for export to Europe instead of cereals. Their neighbors increasingly rely on imported foods and suffer from malnutrition. In both cases, Indian and Ethiopia to name only two, liberalized markets have meant less food to the poor, and more affordable choices for the wealthy abroad.
Also Ireland e3xporting food during the Famine
Ethiopians were starved to death by the millions in the 70s and 80s by the Collectivization of farming by Communist Dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam, as well as by his suppression of rebellion in Eritrea.
India is impoverished because the governments of the Gandhis and Nehru dragooned the citizenry into hand-looming their own cloth at the expense of developing other industries. Also, cows get first dibs on the crops because Hindu Indians think Ol' Bossy was Great-Grandma in a previous life.
Free markets have nothing to do with the poverty of Ethiopia and India because free markets do not exist there, M'Lady Untrueman.
*Tips straw farmer's hat*
“Ethiopians were starved to death by the millions in the 70s and 80s by the Collectivization of farming by Communist Dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam, as well as by his suppression of rebellion in Eritrea. ”
Perhaps I didn’t make myself clear. I’m referring to Ethiopia today. They are growing and exporting flowers to Europe while the population suffers from malnutrition. Don’t take my word for it, find a source you trust and check with it.
“India is impoverished because the governments of the Gandhis and Nehru”
Again, perhaps I’m not making myself clear. I’m referring to India during the second half of the 19th century. It was the British, not Gandhi or Nehru, that enforced the free market on the farmers, and millions starved to death. Incidentally, it was the British who first studied and minimum caloric requirements to keep a man alive and working, as a response to their famine, and the results were taken up by the Nazis in the last century to efficiently manage their slave labor camps, and in this century Israelis use the same studies when they decide just how much food they will allow to enter Gaza.
And we all know Ethiopia is now an anarchocapitalist country, right? The markets are free to buy and sell food with each other, but for some unknown reason they just don't. What dummies! Greedy flower growing bastards!
"but for some unknown reason they just don’t"
The reason is not unknown. More money can be made selling flowers to Europeans than food to hungry neighbors. The same logic of the market also applied in Imperial India.
"And we all know Ethiopia is now an anarchocapitalist country"
Capitalist, yes. Anarchocapitalist, no. It's part of the US orbit for now, at least. Next year they are slated to join the anti-US BRICS alliance.
"Greedy flower growing bastards!"
That is harsh. They are simply following the logic of the market, as anyone familiar with the situation would have predicted. The malnutrition and hunger are baked into the implementation of these neo-liberal Soros inspired pedophiliac globalist reforms you've probably heard about.
Money is just a median of value when it's not being manipulated. If flowers gets more value returned from Europeans and that bigger value still cannot compete with flowers around the corner then there is money manipulation occurring. The USA is doing the same thing right now via ridiculous loans and quantitative easing while subsidizing china. [Na]tional So[zi]alism run amok.
Advocating for Trumps Tariffs now aren't you.
Riots in Dublin after a Muslim immigrant stabbed a bunch of children.
It's interesting to see how these riots are viewed compared to the George Floyd riots. There those were mostly peaceful despite widespread damage and looting, and giving voice to the unheard, at least according to the press. But this will be portrayed differently, of course.
Also interesting that the worldnews sub of reddit has banned any talk about these, even though they allow riot stories in other parts of Europe
Give a man a fish blah-blah-blah.
Teach a man to fish blah-blah-blah.
Indoctrinate a man in a government fish distribution program and he will vote (D) forever.
+100000000.. Honest to goodness faithful believers in Bernie Sanders starving-nation "bread lines" because everyone is just too hungry and lazy and ripped-off to grow/earn wheat. Which makes one wonder; where's the bread on the "bread lines" going to come from? The ideology of literally eating a nation to its death and then conquering and consuming neighboring nations for survival. Repeating the history of socialism/communism over and over and over again.
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/teach-a-man-to-fish
"A 2002 program known as McGovern-Dole (2022 cost: $193 million), as the Cato study explains, 'donates food to schoolchildren and other groups in poor countries, while also helping countries expand their government food programs.'"
This is an example of that good old-fashioned "bipartisanship" that the old folks are always hankering to return to... George McGovern and Bob Dole reaching across the aisle to spend our tax money on random feel-good stuff. Give me gridlock any day.
” George McGovern and Bob Dole ”
Don’t they both come from farm states that produced far more than the country could possibly consume? And it’s not as if the farmers producing these surpluses aren't subsidized in many ways by tax dollars. It seems morally dubious to complain about tax money going to hungry children while giving the tax money receiving over producing farmers a pass.
“on random feel-good stuff. ”
That seems an unfair and tendentious characterization. Food is essential for the survival and healthy development of schoolchildren. There’s nothing random about this, it’s common to all animal life on the planet, and it’s more than a matter of food making school children feel good, it’s about life and death.
But what about the children!?! No one wants to give food to the children!
"No one wants to give food to the children!"
It's too random and feel good.
“No one wants to give food to the children!”
Answer: Nope…. But they don’t mind lobbying for ‘guns’ to go out and STEAL from others the things that make them feel better about themselves.
…But NO. It’s quite obvious the people who support such legislation have no interest in actually *earning* and then ‘giving’ their food to the children else they’d just GO DO IT.
I think part of the problem is that charitable giving by our government often has local benefits. We could just give money to help buy food from a country's local farmers, but this is likely to come under more scrutiny than giving money to American farmer for food to ship to other countries. Just as money given to countries in military aid often comes back in purchases and thus subsidizes American companies making defense products. I like to see more free markets and use our aid to support those markets overseas. Thats harder to do but I think cheaper in the long run.
" I like to see more free markets and use our aid to support those markets overseas. "
Subsidized free markets? Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
Perhaps I did not use the best term and subsidize is not the best word. What I like to see is helping the producers to get a better crop for their local market.
If you really want to see helping producers enough to *actually earn* it you will by starting a charity organization or donating to one that already exists. Subsidizing is just a word of getting what you want (to see) by poking gov-guns at (enslaving) your neighbors.
The curse/contradiction of modern political minds is the disassociation about what government is and an indoctrination that gov-'guns' are somehow magical wands of free-resources and free-will manipulation.
The reality of it is --- 'guns' don't make sh*t.