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Israel

Tunnel Found

Plus: Hospital shafts, poetry holes, Osama bin Laden, Randi Weingarten, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 11.17.2023 9:35 AM

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Under the hospital: Select journalists were allowed into the Al Shifa Hospital complex yesterday by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), where they were shown what is purportedly evidence of Hamas operations at and underneath the hospital.

On hospital grounds, there was a concrete and stone shaft that reportedly goes deep underground, with stairs and electrical wires. The IDF believes this is evidence of what they've long known—that Hamas operates out of this hospital, using civilians as human shields, and that tunnels beneath it are critical to the terrorist group's plots. IDF troops have not descended into the tunnel, yet, because of fear of booby traps, but have investigated via drones to try to suss out what lies deep beneath the surface.

Col. Elad Tsury, the commander of Israel's Seventh Brigade, "acknowledged the pressure on Israel to show evidence of Hamas activity at the hospital," according to the New York Times, "but said it might be days before troops descended the shaft."

Tsury also said that "soldiers were methodically searching the complex and had discovered weapons, explosives and computers, as well as the body of an Israeli hostage in a nearby building." The body of another hostage was found earlier today on the hospital grounds.

Elsewhere in Gaza: Palestinian outlets report that an Israeli strike hit the Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt, killing Gazans trying to get to safety. "U.N. aid deliveries to Gaza were suspended again on Friday due to shortages of fuel and a communications shutdown," reports Reuters.

Israel and Hamas appear to be getting close to a hostage deal, brokered by Egypt, the U.S., and Qatar, in which the terrorist group would release 50 hostages—all women and children—and Israel would release the same number of Palestinians—all women and children—who are currently being held in prisons.

McCarthy's clone? New House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.) worked with Democrats to pass a spending bill to avoid shutting down the federal government as yet another deadline approached. In order to do so, he refused to champion the massive spending cuts that the fiscally-conservative flank of the House has long been advocating—a move that makes him quite similar to his predecessor, possibly earning similar ire from colleagues within his party.


Scenes from New York: "If this resignation leaves a hole in the news the size of poetry, then that is the true shape of the present." But I am not sure many people, even New York Times readers and subscribers, were aware before today that there even was a poetry editor.

Anne Boyer resigns from NYT ???? pic.twitter.com/LunhmiCGg2

— madeline lane-mckinley (@la_louve_rouge_) November 16, 2023

As an aside: It is not that hard to devote the tiniest bit of word count to the fact that Israeli civilians were brutally slaughtered on October 7. That seems worth mourning, too, and it would be humane to mention the terrible brutality that set off this most recent round of fighting.


QUICK HITS

  • "One-third of U.S. newspapers as of 2005 will be gone by 2024," reports Axios. No need to mourn the death of local news (or worse: support government funding in an attempt to reinvigorate it). Competition sometimes kills, but cool new things always rise from the ashes.
  • I'm sure this will work:

NOW ON THE BAY BRIDGE

Dozens are shutting the bridge down during commute hours, DEMANDING a ceasefire in Gaza while Biden is here in San Francisco.

No Gaza genocide, no more bombing, stop killing children. pic.twitter.com/UXx6sVxd6R

— Jewish Voice for Peace Bay Area (@JVPBayArea) November 16, 2023

  • Must we really give standing ovations to Xi?
  • The Backpage trial has concluded; a jury has found Michael Lacey guilty of money laundering charges but not facilitating prostitution. Reason will have more on this, but there's some background on the case here, here, and here (as well as the obituary Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown wrote for Backpage founder James Larkin, who took his own life earlier this year).
  • A look inside the "town created by Airbnb."
  • On TikTok, some youths are making videos talking about how misunderstood Osama bin Laden was, and how actually he made some great points. Now, of course, there's lots of freaked-out backlash to these videos. Ben Dreyfuss gets the level of concern about right:

It definitely would be an overstatement to say "all the kids today love to dance to that new hot beat: osama" but it is not an overstatement to be weirded out by the fact that thousands of kids actually are down with Osama bin Laden and worried about how that contagion spreads.

— Ben Dreyfuss (@bendreyfuss) November 17, 2023

  • Mary Katharine Ham eviscerates teachers union head honcho Randi Weingarten.
  • Nobody will ever be as cool as the Terminator: "Speaking over FaceTime, a cigar hung from his mouth as his pet pig, Schnelly, wandered by his feet," writes Politico's Christopher Cadelago.
  • A rare bit of good housing-policy news:

Thanks to AB 2011, high-rise multifamily housing is being built for the first time in decades in places like San Francisco. https://t.co/Ze35P4mTip

— M. Nolan Gray (@mnolangray) November 16, 2023

 

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  1. Chumby   2 years ago

    Fuck Joe Biden

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

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    2. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      Let my people go, Brandon.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        Nice.

        #FJB

      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

        Let my people drill
        Trump

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          I didn't know Trump swung like that.
          🙂
          😉

    3. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      Buck Foe Jiden.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Tunnel Found

    -me, on my prom night.

    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      Was there a train in the tunnel, and is there video?

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Loose date or small.....

    3. mad.casual   2 years ago

      It was The Enchantment From The River To The Sea Dance for me. The way she was showing off how many civilians were in her Al Shifa medical complex, she was practically begging for it.

    4. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      *Archer voice*
      'Wait, I had something for this. Something about throwing a hotdog down a hallway."

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...Hamas operates out of this hospital, using civilians as human shields, and that tunnels beneath it are critical to the terrorist group's plots.

    If Israel didn't pack them so tight in their open air prison Hamas would no doubt be happy to have a complex outside of residential areas.

    1. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

      "open air prison"

      This has become a common refrain used by anti-semites. I'm going to have to do some sleuthing to see if I can find who is the source - I'm willing to bet it isn't good.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...the terrorist group would release 50 hostages—all women and children—and Israel would release the same number of Palestinians—all women and children—who are currently being held in prisons.

    Israel ceding substantial high ground by having children in prison?

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      *snerk!*

    2. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Yeah. Sort like the gangbangers in D.C. who kill each other at a furious rate are 17- to 19-year-old "children".

    3. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Progressives define "children" as anyone under age 27.

  5. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    On TikTok, some youths are making videos talking about how misunderstood Osama bin Laden was, and how actually he made some great points.

    The Jan 6 domestic terrorists were "misunderstood" too according to some.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Remind me again of who the Jan 6 protesters killed again.

      ...or who they even hurt.
      The newly released video shows that three of the cops who testified under oath that they were hurt, were lying.

    2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

      Yes, we all know how 1/6 was worse than 9/11

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Never said it was worse. They just had the same goal - to destroy American democracy.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Thank God arresting political opponents has never threatened democracy.

          You remain an idiot.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            Opponents are met at the ballot box in our democratic republic.

            1. Sevo   2 years ago (edited)

              turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying. turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit, a TDS-addledd asshole and a pederast besides.

            2. Jerry B.   2 years ago

              If by the ballot box you mean several Federal and municipal courts, all strangely in heavily Democratic jurisdictions.

            3. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Good thing the left isn't trying to kick political opponents off ballots!

              https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/courts/liberal-group-appeals-michigan-trump-14th-amendment-ruling

              Any more dumb one liners?

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                That's been a long term thing with them, at least in Chicago. Obama cruised to his first Illinois Senate victory by kicking everyone else off the ballot.

                https://www.westernjournal.com/flashback-1996-obama-challenged-signatures-get-primary-opponents-thrown-off-ballot/

                On Jan. 2, 1996, according to Jackson and Long, “operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.”

                “There they [Obama, his lawyer and his team] began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer … And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama’s four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot,” the report said.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                  They did it with Jill Stein in several states in 2020, too--didn't want her siphoning off votes from Brandon.

                  1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                    And helped make sure the Constitution party and LP candidates were on ballots in some states with the idea that it would hurt Republicans. They've been playing that game for years.

            4. R Mac   2 years ago

              You were banned for posting links to child porn.

        2. Minadin   2 years ago

          People actually did say that.

        3. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

    3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      Great points like these?

      "We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling’s, and trading with interest."

      "You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator."

      "...complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)."

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Islam is trash. You think I defend that shit?

        But then all religion is trash. One of them is just more jihady than the others.

        1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

          I think Tik Tokers are of low grade intellect.

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            No question

          2. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

            And yet they're somehow still geniuses compared to Plug.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Soros and globalist are trash.

        3. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Too many in the Comments here have common ground with those stupid TikTok kids.

    4. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit

    5. damikesc   2 years ago

      Yup, OBL and 1/6 protesters were identical.

      Though, to be frank, OBL sounds like a modern progressive.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        Except for the hating on gay people part.

        1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

          Who knows, if he hadn't had his skull ventilated by a Navy SEAL, maybe he would have come around eventually?

        2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          Try to keep up. Adult Gay men are now considered part of the oppressor class.

        3. Natsofast   2 years ago

          It's actually not unheard of for higher ranking "austere religious scholars" to have young boys in their harems. Their anti-gay stance seems to be quite similar to the Catholic church in many ways.

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            Western Christian cultures are unique in considering sex between a man and an immature boy or a "sissy" to be a "homosexual" act on the part of the man. Most of the world follows the Prison Sex rules—someone can be male and still be a bitch. Only the guy on the bottom is a homosexual.

    6. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago

      That was the important part of this issue to you? Making this about Trump and his supporters?

      You weren't bothered by Liz Wolfe glossing over the fact that US children are realizing Bin Laden hated America before because the US bombed the Middle East for decades and propped up Israeli brutality of the Palestinian people for years prior to 9/11?

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        Was this before or after the US supported the Mujahideen in Afghanistan?

        (Wasn't his actual gripe that Saudi Arabia/Kuwait had invited US troops onto sacred soil?)

        1. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago

          "Wasn’t his actual gripe that Saudi Arabia/Kuwait had invited US troops onto sacred soil?" It was one of them.

          In the letter he also talks at length about Israel/Palestine, US sanctions on Iraq and funding forces that attack throughout the Middle East:
          https://web.archive.org/web/20231114002331/https:/www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

  6. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    McCarthy's clone?

    At long last have you no originality, sir?

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    But I am not sure many people, even New York Times readers and subscribers, were aware before today that there even was a poetry editor.

    Their prose editor's days may be numbered as well.

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      As an aside: It is not that hard to devote the tiniest bit of word count to the fact that Israeli civilians were brutally slaughtered on October 7. That seems worth mourning, too, and it would be humane to mention the terrible brutality that set off this most recent round of fighting.

      Liz, she was never going to stray from The Narrative. C'mon now.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

        There once was a paper in trouble
        for its editors exist in a bubble
        genocide is the topic
        sees them mega myopic
        to the group responsible for the rubble.

        1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

          Doesn't scan as a limerick. Try:

          There once was a paper in trouble
          for it's editors lived in a bubble
          genocide is the topic
          sees them mega myopic
          to the group that is causing the rubble

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            Brutal.

          2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

            Limerick?

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      For all the world it seems like way more people have bled out from holes filled with poetry than holes the size of poetry.

      1. Public Entelectual   2 years ago

        Once, in their lair in Times Square
        The Editors got very scared
        Gaza news quite unfit
        Might come out of the Blitz
        If ever the numbers were aired

    3. DesigNate   2 years ago

      I counted at least two editing mistakes in her screed.

    4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      “Your purple (haired) prose just gives you away..”

  8. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    Question for Jeff:
    If the state shouldn’t have the power to execute murderers, should the state have the power to shoot trespassers?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      A: the states should have the right of fytw power whenever it comes to non Marxists.
      This is the true libritarian position in his world

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      He tried to defend it yesterday as government being allowed to stand their ground in D.C. but citizens do not have that right there. He also continues to ignore the 3 cops standing in the hallway with Babbitt that were not concerned.

      Most importantly he continues to excuse violent leftist riots like 2 nights ago.

      Riots that attempted to kidnap and disallow people from leaving a building while attacking cops.

      https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/11/capitol-police-anti-israel-dnc-protesters-moved-dumpsters-in-front-of-the-exits-pepper-sprayed-our-officers-and-attempted-to-pick-up-the-bike-rack/

      And he also has no care about their protests shutting down highways putting patients waiting for organ transplants at risks. Because only conservative protests allow for cops to kill.

      https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/11/multiple-organs-in-transit-for-multiple-patients-delayed-by-pro-hamas-shutdown-of-san-francisco-bay-bridge/

      I'm sure he has the same justifications as shrike yo arrest 900 non violent protestors at J6 with a goal of over 1600. Cops didn't use unmarked vans though. They just shot them. And beat one to death in the west tunnel.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        I would have no problem announcing that from now on, shutting down the bridge will result in you getting thrown off the bridge. And then doing it.

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

          I volunteer to help!

        2. R Mac   2 years ago

          That was my thought. My guess is you’d only need to throw one over and that would be the end of it.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

            Kinda like the border. Shoot a few people as they wade out of the Rio Grande...

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            Here, R Mac comes out in favor of violating the rights of protestors because he doesn't like their ideology

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              It has little to do with ideology dumbass. Do they have a right to block an important transportation corridor?

            2. R Mac   2 years ago

              Well they’re violating the rights of the people they’re blocking, so that means they should all be shot in the face, right?

              1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                It’s perfectly justifiable to shoot trespassers.

                /jeff

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                I see you are avoiding the question. Thanks for the gotcha material.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  I see you never backed up your assertion, ass.

                2. R Mac   2 years ago

                  You didn’t ask a question liar.

                3. R Mac   2 years ago

                  In fact, you completely ignored my specific question below:

                  Should the pro-Palestinian protesters that trespassed on DNC headquarters all been killed the other night?

            3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              If I have a family member that needs to get to the hospital due to an emergency, and these assholes are blocking the road, I'm absolutely doing as much harm to them as needed to get them out of the way.

              My life and my family's lives are more important than theirs.

            4. Minadin   2 years ago

              What rights?

            5. DesigNate   2 years ago

              He didn't mention ideology....

              1. R Mac   2 years ago

                Just Lying Jeffy lying. It’s what he does.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        He tried to defend it yesterday as government being allowed to stand their ground in D.C. but citizens do not have that right there.

        No, Jesse. I never claimed that DC law had a stand-your-ground provision. YOU were the one who dishonestly tried to conflate my discussion of a *libertarian perspective* with a discussion of any specific law.

        If citizens don't have sufficient rights to defend themselves in DC then that should change.

        Most importantly he continues to excuse violent leftist riots like 2 nights ago.

        More lies from Jesse. I have not "excused violent leftist riots", I have not excused violent riots by anyone.

        But do keep going and do keep avoiding your comment from a week ago:

        https://reason.com/2023/11/07/10000-dead/?comments=true#comment-10307482

        The NAP doesn’t require a proportional response.

        So, you now agree with me, Jesse. The officer merely provided a "disproportionate response" to Ashli Babbitt, right?

      3. Heedless   2 years ago

        https://www.nbcnews.com/video/capitol-shooting-that-led-to-ashli-babbitt-s-death-captured-on-video-99180613572

        You can watch the mob smash the windows for the first 30 seconds. At the half minute mark, the officer fires, and you can see Babbitt fall backwards from the broken window. She was the first one through the breach, and she got shot for it.

        Stop pretending that this is some sort of moral outrage. It makes you look like a fool.

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      The state should not issue a judgment of death in a criminal proceeding.

      An officer of the state should have the legal right to use lethal force to act in the capacity of self-defense or in the defense of others, analogous to the situation of a homeowner in case of a home invasion.

      From a *purely libertarian perspective*, every rights violation is tantamount to an act of violence, and the use of lethal force in retaliation can be justified.

      As Jesse so brilliantly summarized recently:

      https://reason.com/2023/11/07/10000-dead/?comments=true#comment-10307482

      The NAP doesn’t require a proportional response.

      Indeed.

      Glad I could clear that up for you.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        So, Jeffy, you're saying Ashli Babbit shouldn't have been shot?

      2. R Mac   2 years ago

        Should the pro-Palestinian protesters that trespassed on DNC headquarters all been killed the other night?

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          *checks sundial*

  9. Nardz   2 years ago

    2017

    https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/943886142004371456?t=HdadZpSNnkVVfPe-0oBErw&s=19

    Nikki Haley at the UN is my spirit animal.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Six years ago I thought Gates and Fauci were probably okay guys.

      1. Agammamon   2 years ago

        That's harsh, but a fair point.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        That's on you.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          I don't have your crystal ball. If you know where I can pick one up, I'd be appreciative.

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            Gates has been known for his evil leftism since well before 2017.
            I'd never heard of Fauci then, but plenty commenters here are familiar wis history, and it's not good.
            Further, it's a really important skill to be able to accurately assess character.
            My feelings about Haley are the same now as they were when she was a neocon UN representative and she supported anti confederate action. I absolutely hated Trump's selection of her as UN representative.

      3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Six years ago, I couldn't have cared less about Fauci. Gates, on the other hand, I've thought a slimeball after what he and Microsoft did to Netscape back in the 90s.

    2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      Ben Shapiro is nuts too. They deserve each other.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Neocons gonna neocon

        1. Beezard   2 years ago

          Also known as Crenshaw’s Disease.

    3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      She'd force you to show yourself and reveal your identity online. You mean you aren't "off put" by that, Nazi Nardz?

  10. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    One-third of U.S. newspapers as of 2005 will be gone by 2024

    The rainforests are saved!

  11. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Dozens are shutting the bridge down during commute hours, DEMANDING a ceasefire in Gaza while Biden is here in San Francisco.

    Performative misbehavior? In San Fransisco???

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Finally, someone figured out how to stop the war.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      Once again it would be halarious if someone showed up to these pro terrorist rally, threw bombs into the crowd, shot up hundreds of them, then called for a cheese fire

      1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

        Best typo of the week!

        1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

          Indeed.

        2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

          What typo? The is no problem in life so grate that it cannot be made better by the addition of cheese

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Blessed are the cheesemakers...

          2. R Mac   2 years ago

            Particularly smoked gouda.

            1. Ersatz   2 years ago

              cant argue there!

          3. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

            Inclined to agree. As would Wallace and Grommet.

        3. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

          I'm not sure it was.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Velveeta or craft?

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          Velveeta is "Craft". Talk about a typo.
          🙂
          😉

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Kraft. Talk about major typos.

            1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

              Jesse doo'ed it. Hence my quotation marks.

      3. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

        After shooting up hundreds of people and throwing bombs most of the people left probably aren’t going to be very fondue.

      4. Moonrocks   2 years ago

        Nacho father's leftist rally.

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

          Please quit the cheese puns, I camembert-it

      5. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        I'm getting really feta up with these people blocking the damned road.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Yeah it really stinks.

        2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

          Titanic "we save the woman and children first"
          Hama "we take the woman and children first"
          The left "see they are the same"

      6. Beezard   2 years ago

        Obligatory Monty Python Cheese Shop Sketch Link.

        https://youtu.be/B3KBuQHHKx0?feature=shared

    3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      Where are the Pyramid Lake Reservation Rangers when you need them?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wnAVxQ7rY

  12. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1725524686568657126?t=BE69JVFITB-MU7S1tAkxeg&s=19

    "Far right" is just a synonym for "working class".

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      I've been saying this for a decade now. "MAGA" and "nationalists" too.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Must we really give standing ovations to Xi?

    Oh, bother.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      ^slow golf clap

      Well done

    2. Dillinger   2 years ago

      oh ya. lolz.

    3. Uilleam   2 years ago (edited)

      Excellent.

    4. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

      Ha, even I got that one!

  14. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

    With each passing day, the absolutely shitty job Hamas has been doing wrt gaza municipal administration becomes clear. The roads are for shit. The infrastructure is for shit. Water and sewer are for shit. The hospitals are for shit. The parliament building was dirty AF. Hamas did a terrible job. The sad part is they were elected by gazans, who continue to broadly support Hamas (and many gazans cheerfully participated in the Simchat Torah pogrom).

    The great Hamas construction project (truly, a project worthy of Nebuchadnezzar) - Gaza Metro - is being dismantled, one gel bomb at a time. Now Hamas members can die in their tunnels, touched by a darkness that can be felt.

    The world will be a materially safer place with Hamas members dead.

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      To be fair, the sewer really is for shit...

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Only if it functions and carries away that shit. Otherwise, it is shit.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Careful, you'll get SQRLSY excited.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          I think you mean Scato...

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            No, Shrike, he means Sqrlsy. You eat shit too, so I don't know why you even needed to reply.

    2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      And Gaza has TONS of international flowing into it constantly (well, except for the present). They can't claim budget shortfalls when so much is being handed out to them.

    3. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      Same with the Venezuelans that voted for Chavez. Now they're here demanding we take care of them.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        One of the common features of the third world since the Bandung conference is that they demand to be given full autonomy, while being subsidized in perpetuity by the first world in the interests of "justice." In reality, it's because they know instinctively they'll never be able to form stable, functioning societies. The documentary "Empire of Dust" goes over a lot of this; there's a Chinese official in the Congo for a Belt-and-Road project, and in several scenes, he points out to his Congolese liaison that they can complain about colonialism all they want, but the reality is that white Europeans left them with the infrastructure to build a functioning, self-deterministic nation, and they let it all rot because of booga-booga associations of using the oppressor's materials. He talked about how China went through much the same thing, but when Europe pulled out of the country, they didn't just discard that infrastructure or let it lay fallow, they actually tried to make use of it.

        The demand for reparations in the US is representative of this same mindset.

    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      Gavin Newsom looks at hamas and thinks "I wish I could run Cali as efficiently"

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        Or with as little restraint. On that he is not alone...pretty much anyone who wants a "living Constitution" would mimic Communist China. Or maybe Nazi Germany is coming back into vogue. Hamas certainly has copied much of the propaganda, including the Elders of Zion talking points.

  15. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1725513045642719486?t=cAaA6kfRkUQWhf9W2kNaeA&s=19

    They could have dialed it back by 1/3 and maintained the status quo for decades.

    [Link]

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      It's like the anti-racist or anti-discrimination (or anti-anti-racist.. I think) version of "white adjacent". If no Jews ever pushed hatred against White people, they would've been exceptional, even among White people.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Right...

        https://twitter.com/Aristos_Revenge/status/1724962738701545728?t=SIl_0f3VGOdJpaQv-kNaAQ&s=19

        Let me give a particular example, like this "showing up on time and working hard is white supremacy" poster that got put up in the Smithsonian, working on data by Judith Katz and the Kaleel Jamison group:

        [Long thread with many examples]

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

          ‘Brutal blonde’ drags climate activist by the hair to stop her from blocking traffic

          Fuckin’ (hot) white people, man. I tell ya!

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            Totes the same. Of course now we have to agree that US law really is just systemic racism and the concept of per capita statistics completel gibberish.

            1. mad.casual   2 years ago

              I don't think even you know what the fuck you're talking about.

              If anybody's talking about systemic racism, it's you. My point is the crime is the crime regardless of the perp's race/ethnicity and, whether the perp is guilty or not, not all victims are undeserving.

              You're the one rather overtly pushing a "some animals are more equal than others" narrative.

              Whatever cause you think you're advocating, you stopped benefiting it days, if not weeks ago. And not because of your stance on isolationism, because of your insane social outlook. BLM, Antifa, Pro-Palestinians, Tiki Torch paraders, You... with regard to ideological zealotry and anything resembling logical consistency, you're all, as near as can be determined, equally fucking nuts.

              1. Nardz   2 years ago

                Why are Jewish people disproportionately represented in the sample of people pushing marxist policy?

                https://twitter.com/hereliesthighs/status/1725140600314314904?t=dijZh-smCYv8urtf9okexg&s=19

                Jewish leaders would like to remind you that there is no such thing as the “jewish community”. They added that, “Groups with shared values and goals don’t exist, which is why we must destroy White supremacy.”

          2. Nardz   2 years ago

            The ideology of cultural marxism originated with and has been dominated by Jewish intelligentsia for decades.
            But there were also some blonde theorists.
            Oh, nothing to see here then!

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              You sure about that? Marx's parents were Jewish, but converted to Christianity before he was born. Engels was a Protestant. Lenin was Russian Orthodox. Looks to me like it's all over the map.

              1. mad.casual   2 years ago

                Marx letters to Engels are openly anti-semitic, but I'm sure that gets rationalized away as a 12-D chess psy-op to win people to the Jewish/Marxist narrative via victimization from Hitler and Stalin.

                Nardz is making Misek look cogent.

                1. Nardz   2 years ago

                  You're going back 180 years.
                  I'm going back 60.

                  1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

                    Stalin wasn’t 180 yrs. ago. Which was my point, there are Jews and anti-semitism and white supremacists littered throughout history since Marx and before. White, non-Jews and Jewish socialists agreed with both Hitler and Stalin right up until it was too late.

                    This is the same shit Cultural Marxists pull with Christian Socialism where they read “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” and say “See, Capitalism is evil and you should give away your possessions. Render unto Caesar. We are all our brothers' keepers. From those who have...” rather than understanding that the line isn’t strictly about money but about humbling oneself before God.

                    1. Nardz   2 years ago

                      Again, read the thread.
                      Jewish people are disproportionately prominent in anti white, anti American, marxist theory.
                      Why is that?

                      https://twitter.com/Aristos_Revenge/status/1724962738701545728?t=JNSeI41yXYuxxL1hXM82zg&s=19

                      Let me give a particular example, like this "showing up on time and working hard is white supremacy" poster that got put up in the Smithsonian, working on data by Judith Katz and the Kaleel Jamison group:

                      [Thread]

                    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

                      Again, read the thread.

                      Didn't subscribe to Twitter when they were 100% government-owned propaganda, not going to start now. If it's a truth that everyone should know, Twitter is still probably the worst possible way to convey it.

                      Jewish people are disproportionately prominent

                      What are the proportions exactly? What portion of the White or American or whatever population Jewish, however you define that, and what proportion of the anti-white, anti-American, Marxist Theory population is Jewish by the same definition? Where's the data?

                      Links to cherry-picked examples that conflate prominence with proportionality don't count as data.

              2. Nardz   2 years ago

                https://twitter.com/lporiginalg/status/1725540680565686747?t=9NL6k-rQXnNrTD0LEKWF5g&s=19

                [Books by: Metzl, Kimmel, Applebaum, Wise, Isenberg, Eshleman, Lipsitz, Frankenberg, Katz, Kaufman, Hagerman, Rothenberg]

                1. mad.casual   2 years ago

                  https://www.amazon.com/s?k=systemic+racism&ref=nb_sb_noss_2&tag=reasonmagazinea-20

                  Lots of names of various race/ethnicities, including Jewish.

            2. mad.casual   2 years ago

              Rank them in order from most important to least important: Marxism, Cultural Marxism, Jews.

              1. Nardz   2 years ago

                Most important according to whom?

  16. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

    "hospital grounds, there was a concrete and stone shaft"

    Kanyay knows all about getting shafted by the jews

  17. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...it is not an overstatement to be weirded out by the fact that thousands of kids actually are down with Osama bin Laden and worried about how that contagion spreads.

    Next thing you know the kids will be mining Jew hate right out of Mein Kampf!

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      I kinda wonder if anyone would even get it if I shaved my head, put on a plain white t-shirt and bluejeans and stompy boots, maybe a pair of suspenders as well, and went to one of these pro-Hamas rallies.

      "Yes, I am very opposed to... Israel."

      "I am glad to finally have a lot of company who also doesn't like... Israel."

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

        As always...

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

          That clip is basically perfect.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Red suspenders specifically are for Skinheads. I wear black or blue ones, have hair, and I am 100 percent pro-Israel's right to Self-Defense and would cow-catcher those bridge protesters if they blocked my way and surrounded my vehicle.

        1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

          would cow-catcher those bridge protesters if they blocked my way

          Illinois Nazis...

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            Exactly!
            🙂
            😉

          2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            By the way, Henry Gibson's role as the Head Nazi was quite a contrast to his silly role as poet on Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In.

            Freedom in 25 Words or Less by Henry Gibson
            https://youtu.be/kykTv3L7Mf8?si=hg_RgJz_LA7J0-In

            (Then again maybe not. "Free schooling for the little children" is something the Nazis loved and used.)

      3. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        I grew up in Kootenai County, Idaho during the 1980s. I only ever saw one skinhead (outside their annual parade) in public. Exactly one. Now, in Spocompton on the other hand, it was pretty common, especially at the malls.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Just the social science journals. Peer reviewed.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

      Stuff like this is why, ultimately, these desperate attempts to try and bring about national unity are utterly pointless. The left is trying it’s unity-criticism-unity dialectic because they’ve realized that going full tard leftist is scaring off normies, so they’re posing again as being “not extremist” to keep the grift going. The centrists continue to delude themselves that you can simultaneously fetishize diversity and open borders, while maintaining the kind of national identity they remember from when they were kids (50s-early 60s and the 80s-early 90s).

      But the reality is that you can’t. Let’s see a typical comment from today’s center-right about people who wouldn’t take the Fauci Ouchie and comparing them to drunk drivers:
      But what is vicious about pointing out someone’s assaults on others?

      Keep in mind that these are the same people wringing their hands about how dividied the country is, with no self-awareness whatsoever. But let’s get real:
      –There’s no bringing together people who believe that not taking a COVID shot is assault on others, think anyone who doesn’t should be denied insurance coverage or medical care for that decision, and support digital passports verifying this just to participate in society, and those who don’t.
      –There’s no bringing together people who believe that it’s okay to convince minors that they were born in the wrong body, and should get hormone injections and cut off their genitals and breasts to correct that, and those who don’t.
      –There’s no bringing together people who believe that there should be no such thing as privacy on the internet, and those who don’t.
      –There’s no bringing together people who think white people are the root of all evil, and those who don’t.
      –There’s no bringing together people who think Hamas was justified to move in and slaughter all those people in the kibbutz in the name of neo-marxist liberation, and those who don’t.
      –There’s no bringing together people who think the borders should be wide open because of either international marxism, or because they think they’ll get better food and need people to do their household chores and shit work for them, and those who don’t.
      –There’s no bringing together people who believe abortion should be allowed even after the infant exits the birth canal, those who think abortion after conception is murder, and those who don’t believe either of those things.
      –There’s no bringing together people who think we need to stick our nose in every nation’s business and deploy troops to those places in perpetuity over a misconceived notion of global strength, and those who don’t.

      These are absolutely unbridgeable divides. They’re completely unreconcilable. And what happens when people who disagree have unreconcilable differences? A nation without a common cultural identity and refusal to perpetually self-flagellate over its history simply will not survive. Lincoln recognized this, and it’s time for today’s elites to recognize it, too.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        By "Lincoln recognized this" assume you mean a house divided [good post btw]. This is true on all levels [social, cultural, political] and I wonder when we get to the point that we become so ungovernable that there will be a rupture. And of course there are global players who will readily jump into the void that creates. I foresee a very different world from what we are losing now. It's almost as if it was planned and orchestrated, you think?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Such a rupture will probably end rather poorly for the Left, as it did for many of the Southern planters during and at the end of the Civil War.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            I don't think we can really say for certain how it would come out. This certainly is a big reason behind the push from the left to salami-slice away private gun ownership, so that government officials and their Antifa foot soldiers can force compliance to their political agenda. This rupture over the Israel/Hamas conflict might complicate things more than I initially anticipated when I saw the current political realignment happening.

    4. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      Next thing you know the kids will be mining Jew hate right out of Mein Kampf!

      You jest, but I bet anything if you showed most of these fuckwits select passage from Mein Kampf as well as the Nazi Party platform from ~1936 (nothing to make it too obvious what they're reading), most of them would be on board.

      1. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Many planks of the DNC platform could have been lifted verbatim from the Nazi platform. Just sayin.

    5. Minadin   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/askdani__real/status/1725185727451873719

  18. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Aristos_Revenge/status/1725526660672315405?t=kBiwEpfiGj_AFMkfLlV54g&s=19

    Now here's a blast from the past

    [Link]

  19. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

    So, this happened recently.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mayor-bubba-copeland-alabama-suicide-b2441961.html

    The Republican mayor of a small Alabama town, who was also a preacher of a local Baptist church, was outed as a cross-dresser. He was outed by a right-wing website, 1819 News. The mayor begged the publication not to reveal the information but they did it anyway. He later killed himself.

    This is part of the collateral damage created by the moral panic associated with transgenderism. The website defended their decision because they claimed he was a danger to kids and the community, when there was zero evidence he had harmed anyone. They also claimed that what he did was contrary to his faith and his standing as a Baptist preacher; that may be the case, but isn’t that up to the congregation and the church to decide, not some news publication?

    This moral panic, stereotyping, and dehumanization have real costs, and this is one of them.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago (edited)

      If only outing pedos had the same effect.

    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      Daily Mail has more pictures.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12718887/Alabama-mayor-bubba-Copeland-friends-suicide-ego.html

      Beware, you may need eyewash after looking.

    3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      I’m sure you are crying your eyes out over some Republican mayor in Hicksville.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Republicans are the world champions of hypocrisy. Normal people like me get so goddamn tired of hearing Republicans bullshit America about "Christian values" only to be found later to be sucking cock in the local airport mens room.

        The group that outed this poor sap are no doubt among the airport cocksucking Christians.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

            “poor sap” rightly implies my sympathy for the dude. I didn’t confirm a goddamn thing you said.

            edit to add: Oh, I get it. You saw my attack on Republicans and thought I included him. No, I will give the poor sap a break.

            1. Sevo   2 years ago

              turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    4. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      The Republican mayor of a small Alabama town

      Sorry, he's a publicly elected official. He doesn't get to tell the news what is fair game to publish about him, so long as it falls below the point of being libel.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

        You’re right about that and to some extent he asked for it by participating in politics where information is fair game.

        But where it the real moral problem lie?

        1- his weird hobby 2- open reporting/information 3- a rigid death cult filled with questionable morality

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          TD-addled turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        No, you are right. But because of the Team Red moral panic created about transgenderism, the outing created a far more severe consequence than it otherwise would have.

        Instead of "oh, the mayor has a weird cross-dressing fetish", instead it was "oh, the mayor is a PERVERT and a PEDOPHILE and a CHILD MOLESTOR". I can imagine if you live in a small town, it's very hard to live down or argue against an accusation like that even if the truth is on your side.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          "Moral panic"?

          How is it a moral panic to prevent minors, especially prepubescent children, from making a mistake they'll regret for life?

          How is it a moral panic when we have average (at best) athletic men choosing to compete in women's sports just so they can claim gold?

          How is it a moral panic when we have graphic pornographic literature being included in daily lessons for prepubescent and pubescent children?

          How is it a moral panic when we have trans-activists wanting lesbians to suck that "lady dick"?

          Jeffy, you're a pedantic, pathetic asshole.

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            Lying Jeffy supports all those things you just described.

          2. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

            A nominee to the highest court of the most free and economically prosperous country on the planet, couldn’t answer the question “What is a woman?” The historic first, black, female nominee couldn’t answer the question because “I’m not a biologist.”

            Even just from the aspect of tax dollars spent on racially integrated public education it’s a fucking moral crisis. The fact that she actually refused to answer specifically because of trans-activism; that a SCOTUS nominee, in Orwellian fashion, can’t tell us all how many lights we all plainly see is a huge fucking moral crisis.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          "moral panic created about transgenderism"

          Stop fucking around with kids, drugging and castrating them and nobody would give a shit. That's all it takes. But you freaks couldn't do that because the kids are the point, not transgenderism.

          We've given you thousands of concrete examples over the last few years, from videos to textbooks, so I know that you know this, but are deliberately choosing to lie.

          Every time I think I couldn't possibly be more disgusted by you, you find a new depth to plumb.

        3. damikesc   2 years ago

          The concern has not been about tranny adults, outside of humoring their delusions.

          Involving children has always been the issue....but keep on missing it. We're used to you.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Oh, he's definitely not "missing" it, he's lying about it.

        4. Minadin   2 years ago

          This particular guy was writing pornographic fantasy stories about him murdering an actual real-life woman in his town, and assuming her identity.

          "But Copeland's fictional exploits took a dark turn in 2021, when he published "Dangerous Obsession." In the story, Copeland describes becoming obsessed with a local business owner, who he ultimately murders to assume her identity. The woman murdered in the story is a real individual who lives in Copeland's community."

          https://reduxx.info/trans-activists-mourn-alabama-mayor-who-committed-suicide-after-being-outed-as-a-crossdresser-who-fantasized-about-murdering-woman/

          The guy was apparently not mentally stable.

          1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago (edited)

            Well, he was apparently a Republican in 2023…

    5. Agammamon   2 years ago

      What would have happened to him in Gaza?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Less bad than would have happened to him by the left media if he was leading the GOP presidential race.

        Jeff feign outrage but his team is constantly trying to out the members of congress. Half of shrikes attacks, the non racist ones, against Scott was calling him a down low bro.

        Jeff doesn't actually care about this story other than to attack his enemies.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          My problem with Tim Scott was his hypocrisy. He ran on "Christian values" as a closeted gay man.

          Very Trumpian of him.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            And do you have a link and citation of Tim Scott being a closeted gay man? Otherwise, Mr. McCarthy, have you no shame?

            1. R Mac   2 years ago

              You really shouldn’t ask turd for links involving sexual activity.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Might be worth it to see Turd get banned again and then explain why it's now "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 3".

                /His sequels just keep getting worse.

                1. MK Ultra   2 years ago

                  Like Disney movies.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    Please, Pluggo probably whacks off to those.

                    1. Chumby   2 years ago

                      The Little Spermaid

            2. damikesc   2 years ago

              McCarthy actually had some facts behind his accusations and tried to keep the investigations in closed committee to avoid harming innocent people.

              In a shocker...Democrats refused.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Shhh, I'm using a paraphrased quote here. Obviously Pluggo never has had, does not have, and will never have shame.

          2. Sevo   2 years ago

            turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
            turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

          3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            "He ran on “Christian values” as a closeted gay man."

            How do you know he's gay?

            1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

              I doubt he "knows" knows, but...
              https://www.washingtonblade.com/2023/08/31/opinion-tim-scott-south-carolina-gay-rumor/

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                1. It's rumor. There's been a) no evidence, and b) Scott has never said that he is.
                2. Who gives a flying fuck? Why should we here give two shits what he is? It's his private life.
                3. Shrike obviously has a man crush on Scott.

                1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

                  3. Shrike obviously has a man crush on Scott.

                  My theory is that Plug knew Tim Scott years ago as a young boy, and Scott rejected Plug's advances.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        See Agamammon deflect on behalf of his team

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          See Jeffy be dishonest in the first place and then demand an answer while at the same time calling mockery of him to be "deflection".

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          That's not deflection you lying creep.

        3. Agammamon   2 years ago

          See you deflect on behalf of your team.

          'OOOOH! Look! Ignore the gays being thrown off the tops of tall buildings!!!1!

    6. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      The Republican mayor of a small Alabama town, who was also a preacher of a local Baptist church, was outed as a cross-dresser.

      And?

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago (edited)

        I dunno. I’ve never said people, as adults, can’t make decisions about what they do with their own bodies. Maybe he deserves some sympathy for the fact that he was ashamed that his community didn’t approve of the choices he was making.

        But you can choose your own community. He put himself forward as a member of that community and, if he found their values weren’t aligned with his own, he didn’t have to remain there. That’s the most American thing there is-leaving your own community to find a new one when your beliefs and practices are respected.

        But what’s the libertarian angle, here? Telling people they’re not allowed to disapprove of certain things? That’s not very libertarian.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Apparently Lying Jeffy thinks the libertarian angle here is that journalists shouldn’t publish true facts about government officials. Which is the most Lying Jeffy angle ever.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          This is less about a 'libertarian angle' and more about being a decent human being.

          You can read for yourself the website's defense of their outing of the mayor.

          https://1819news.com/news/item/jennifer-oliver-oconnell-bubba-copeland-and-the-sin-of-envy

          One of their defenses was that they claimed that the mayor was harming his community by practicing his fetish in secret. Harming how?

          They judged him as sick and sinful, and that the paper had a duty to expose him in order to 'protect the community'. Protect from what? A dude wearing a dress? 'Oh, he might have been a stalker!' Funny, in their original investigative story, they do not mention at all any evidence of stalking. Sure sounds like a post hoc rationalization.

          One reason they decided to frame their story the way they did was because they are operating in an environment where any hint of transgenderism is considered evidence of perversion and pedophilia. So they *must* sit in judgment of the mayor, full of wrath, and condemn him.

          1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

            Maybe people in the community would condemn him as being sinful and wrong for dressing up as a woman. I think he should be free to do that, but I can't tell people that they're not allowed to make a religious judgment against it. I can just say that I believe they're wrong.

            But let's dig just a bit deeper, and see the part where he's posting erotic fiction about murdering people who live in the community and assuming their identity. That's at least a bit troubling from a public figure and a Baptist preacher. In fact, I dare say that if he wasn't a cross-dresser but was just a mayor, preacher, and public figure writing these sorts of things, you wouldn't think he has a right to have these things kept private.

            Personally, I'm a bit more torn. I really don't care if the mayor of my town privately likes to dress up as the Queen of England and have his wife spank him, but I could also understand if he prefers that sort of information remain confined to his bedroom. Certainly, public officials do still have some rights to privacy, you can't just put cameras in their bathrooms and watch them take a shit and judge them for it. And I also don't think there's anything wrong with even an individual in power who fantasizes about screwing his secretary, as long as he's not taking any actions that cross into sexual harassment. I also defend the rights of the average person to anonymously post gross smut online about how they want to rape whatever celebrity; that's still free speech.

            It's when you start writing and posting stuff online that involves real people, who aren't public figures, and it involves murdering them, while you're also a figure of public trust in the community. Maybe that sort of content really does have a level of public interest.

        3. Moonrocks   2 years ago

          When I posted my reply, I hadn't read to the part where he killed himself. That's an awful end to the story, and yes, he does deserve some sympathy. I still don't see the point of posting it beyond concern trolling.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Well, this is Lying Jeffy we're talking about here. He's doing this because he thinks he's scoring points over the rest of us. Frankly, it's rather pathetic.

            1. R Mac   2 years ago (edited)

              It’s our tribe’s fault this guy killed himself! That’s totally the “radical individualist’s” position.

              1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                He was literally in your "tribe".

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  Was he, Shrike? What evidence do you have to bolster your assertion?

                  1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                    Sure, Tulpa, LMGTFY: https://www.alreporter.com/2023/11/09/lee-county-democratic-party-expresses-sadness-over-mayor-copelands-passing/

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      That's not exactly evidence, Shrike. And why the fuck is "Tulpa" always the go-to for you fuckers?

                2. R Mac   2 years ago

                  What tribe was that?

    7. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      Sounds like the preacher/mayor had the moral panic. So unstunning and cowardly.

    8. Nobartium   2 years ago

      This moral panic, stereotyping, and dehumanization have real costs, and this is one of them.

      Hypocrites killing themselves?

      Sounds like a benefit.

    9. Eeyore   2 years ago

      Was it misgendering that killed them?

    10. R Mac   2 years ago

      You’ve gone full clown world.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        He really has.

    11. R Mac   2 years ago

      Haha, here’s an opinion piece from “right wing” 1819 News with the right wing take to…legalize marijuana in Alabama.

      https://1819news.com/news/item/joey-clark-its-a-joke-alabamians-cant-buy-pot

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        So, is it your contention that because this website has an article advocating for pot legalization, that the website as a whole may not be fairly characterized as "right-wing"?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

          No, dumbass, it’s rather that your caricature of the “right-wing” is stupid.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Are you still refusing to define what you mean by "right-wing", Lying Jeffy?

        3. R Mac   2 years ago

          I didn’t see anything when I went to the site that convinced me they’re primarily right wing, but I did see an article advocating for legalizing pot.

          And I found that funny.

    12. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      Wasn't aware that transgenders were just cross-dressers. I thought transvestites and transgenders were separate things.

      1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

        I thought transvestites and transgenders were separate things.

        They were until ~5 minutes ago. By this time next week, gay people will just really be trannies that haven't transitioned yet. In a few months we'll be "fixing" gays by forcibly transitioning them. Just like that great bastion of progressive values: Iran.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        I hadn't followed much on this case...usually described as "cross-dressing" but now I've read more and it seems like he was just a complete freaknut dreaming about transitioning and becoming a "cum bunny whore".

        I had been misled by the initial "cross-dressing" coverage to think this was the old Southern Baptist wearing his wife's panties trope.

        ---------

        The trans-identifying mayor desired to be degraded, objectified, and "bimbo-fied" through the "bimbo-fication" process, which he outlined in a step-by-step "Sissy Bimbo Checklist." Copeland instructed: "1. Start hormones 2. Grow long hair 3. Go blond 4. Get huge implants 5. F**k and suck c**ks all day 'n' night 6. Be a c*m bunny. Welcome to ecstasy wh*re."

        "His thirst for the opposite sex, a sexual "infatuation," manifested in stalking, preying upon the lives of those who populated his tiny town, and obsessive odes to the bodies of women he so desired.

        Aside from wearing plus-sized women's clothes and undergarments, the mayor authored violent erotica fantasizing about murdering a female constituent—a real-life resident living in Copeland's community—and assuming the victim's identity.

        The story narrates how Copeland's character breaks into the woman's shop in a late-night heist to install spyware on the business owner's digital devices in order to track her location via GPS at all times; hack into her video feed; and hijack her day-to-day habits, so that he can appropriate her look and "socialite" lifestyle. "She was the perfection of a southern belle," his "muse."

        "She was everything I wish I could be! [...] To say I was a stalker would be a bit of an understatement. Every post she made I studied it, analyzing and taking notes of her daily routine..." Copeland wrote, noting: "Her life had become my obsession."

        The stalking eventually escalates to premeditated murder aboard a cruise ship.

        "I have spent everything I have and every waking moment to become you," he tells her. Copeland's fictitious murderer hurls her over the boat's railing to her death, simultaneously snatching the woman's wedding ring, "one last piece of her" that he sought.

        "This life is all I have ever wanted, and finally, it was all mine!" Copeland typed triumphantly.

        Disguised as the murder victim, the male protagonist has sex with her unsuspecting husband, whom he calls "our[s]."

    13. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      LOL, I already posted the info about this dude skinwalking as his wife days ago. He also wrote creepy fiction about throwing a woman off of a cruise ship and assuming her identity.

      1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        And surprise, surprise, there is far more to the story than just him crossdressing. Gee, that never happens.

  20. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Mary Katharine Ham eviscerates teachers union head honcho Randi Weingarten.

    I never would have thought the face of teachers unions (and CDC collaborations) would present as kind of evil.

  21. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12759177/Colossal-Biosciences-woolly-mammoth-brought-extinction.html

    De-extinction of the wooly mammoth by 2028? Colossal Biosciences plans to combine DNA from ancient species with living Asian elephants to birth a calf that could live on tribal land

    Be neat if they can really do it.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      If Covid gas taught us anything, it’s that we can trust the science.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        If Covid taught us anything, it's that all science and facts should be judged solely by the politics of the people involved.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          How is politics involved in resurrecting an extinct animal that has the potential for creating unknown dangers?

        2. Agammamon   2 years ago

          Yeah, because The Science wasn't political under Covid.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            Before it was just climate. Now it's just about everything.

            1. Agammamon   2 years ago

              Maybe you should ask why NOAA is 'estimating' the temperatures from shut down measurement stations. Stations shut down for decades.

              If the Dems are politicizing science then why would we ignore them doing so?

        3. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Facts changed! You weren't wrong to ignore the state abuses and lies!

      2. R Mac   2 years ago

        Covid gas? Is that what the Chinese balloon was really up to?

    2. Chumby   2 years ago

      Iirc, Pleistocene Park may have been looking at doing that too.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        The people promoting this and the mammoth resurrection say they're going to save the planet from climate change by sequestering CO2 in herbivore poop.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Herbivore poop creates methane, a supposedly more potent heat trapping gas.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            From the article I posted:

            Colossal has claimed that the woolly mammoth's foraging behaviors would nourish tundra grasslands, in turn capturing tons of atmospheric carbon and preserving melting permafrost.

            From Pleistocene Park's website.

            Several ecological mechanisms allow grazing ecosystems in the Arctic to have a cooling effect on the climate and also have an ability to protect Arctic permafrost from degradation.

            Don't yell at me, I'm just the messenger.

        2. Chumby   2 years ago

          At PP, the argument is that the megafauna will trample the Siberian snowpack down allowing winter cold to reach deeper into the soil stabilizing the permafrost that, if unchecked, would continue to lessen allowing copious amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere currently trapped in the frozen soil. Also, the megafauna would help reduce tree growth that absorbs more summer heat versus taiga grass reducing the summer heat transferred to the ground further melting the permafrost.
          That is what they say.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            That is what they say.

            What choice do they have? If anyone wants to get funding for science research these days it must have some sort of climate spin on it. Even if it's total bullshit.

            1. Chumby   2 years ago

              The PP folks seem more focused on doing the work than flying around the planet like western climate clingers.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Do you think they would have gotten the same level of funding without the climate spin? I don't.

                1. Chumby   2 years ago

                  I don’t know. My recollection is that the focus was the trapped CO2 at risk of being released and not throwing a bunch of musk ox into the region that previously (?) had them.

          2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            So the new way to fight climate change is to cut down trees?

            1. Chumby   2 years ago

              Go their website and read their thesis. There may be a short docu on there as have been a couple on YT. Not sure if they are in English or Russian.
              I’m not cosigning their stuff; saw it a few years ago and was intrigued.

            2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Let native grass replace the trees. The way I understand it the trees conduct heat into the ground while the grass shades it. You've probably noticed this yourself walking around in the outdoors. Some grassy areas feel cool even when it's hot.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                How often have you been west of Appalachians or even the Mississippi? Grasses are very hot to the touch in the dry, unshaded areas of the Plains and Prairies.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  How often have you been west of Appalachians or even the Mississippi?

                  Do the facts involved change based upon where I've been?

                  Grasses are very hot to the touch in the dry, unshaded areas of the Plains and Prairies.

                  Depends on the grass. They're not all the same. I'm saying that some provide shade such that it is noticeably cooler near the ground. Look it up if you don't believe me. Where I've lived doesn't make it more or less true.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    I merely asked how often you've been to those places. The grasses out here and out there tend to get very hot in unshaded areas, particularly during the summer. They also have a tendency to go brown and dormant far more often than along the East Coast (including Maine).

                    You stated, "Some grassy areas feel cool even when it’s hot." All I did was to provide a different anecdote based on where I am and where I've been.

              2. Chumby   2 years ago

                The issue, as they portray it, is the melting of the permafrost. It isn’t about carbon sequestering but as you indicated heat transfer into the soul (dark green leaves absorb more solar energy than light color taiga grass).

                1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

                  I could use some heat transfer into my soul, it's been kinda chilly lately. 😀

                  1. Chumby   2 years ago

                    Get a wood stove and feed it seasoned hardwood.

                  2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

                    Nobody has a soul. Just put some white oak in the firepit and light and enjoy it with your rational, thinking mind.
                    🙂
                    😉

                    1. Uilleam   2 years ago

                      Speak for yourself.

                2. Dillinger   2 years ago

                  how perma is it if it melts?

    3. Agammamon   2 years ago

      Well, until one of them spontaneously switches gender and then they secretly breed and then break out of the cages.

      Paleozoic World.

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        15 Minute City World

    4. Super Scary   2 years ago

      That's pretty neat, but bringing back the ancient mammals instead of the much cooler dinosaurs is just what I would expect from this disappointing timeline.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        Nobody actually wants to deal with 50 foot tall chickens.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          Are you kidding? One would probably supply a KFC for a year!
          🙂
          😉

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        Mammoths have been extinct for something like 4000 years.

        If this works then they should be able to resurrect critters that died off more recently.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          I'd rather leave mammoths in the past. That said, bringing back species we've had a direct, known hand in making them go extinct, isn't a bad idea. Things like the dodo, passenger pigeons, great auks, etc.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            There's strong evidence that humans were behind the extinction of megafauna, including the mammoth. I understand your point though, and agree.

            1. R Mac   2 years ago

              Was actually just listening to Rogan episode with historian Elliot West where they touched on this a little. Highly recommend.

            2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              This.

              They find more mammoth bones associated with butchering and processing than any other type. And Mammoths persisted on Wrangel Island for thousands of years longer than everywhere else because it was uninhabited.

              Humans were building temples at Gobekli Tepe and cities at Catalhoyuk and Jericho 9000 years before the last mammoths went extinct. Hell, the pyramids are older than the mammoth extinction.

              1. R Mac   2 years ago (edited)

                Speaking of Rogan, he just had Graham Hancock on again recently. Very interesting stuff. His show on Netflix is great.

                Too bad Rogan is far right and shouldn’t be listened to, right Lying Jeffy?

          2. BYODB   2 years ago

            To what benefit, exactly?

            1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

              The same benefits as “gain of function “ research have given us.

              1. BYODB   2 years ago

                Well, that causes known harms.

                In terms of resurrecting species that have already proven they can't survive in the world today, one would naturally assume they would immediately go extinct again.

                I'm not sure why mankind should bring those species back when the inevitable result of it will be those species going extinct again.

                The only reason I can think of to do something like that is 'because we can' which, historically, isn't a great reason to do something.

                1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

                  We could keep them as pets. Or put them in a zoo. Or use them as the main attraction in an amusement park. What could possibly go wrong?

  22. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Nobody will ever be as cool as the Terminator...

    "Your screwed freedoms will not be back."

    1. Agammamon   2 years ago

      Hey, Sully, you remember when I said you would be able to take off the mask?

      That's right Fauci! You said that!

      I lied.

    2. R Mac   2 years ago

      Yeah, anyone that says “Fuck your freedoms” can never be cool.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...high-rise multifamily housing is being built for the first time in decades in places like San Francisco.

    "Gather around the window, kids, and look down at the social and structural decay as it happens!"

    1. Super Scary   2 years ago

      Now even middle class families can look down on the druggies passed out on the street and finally be able to say "They look like ants down there!"

  24. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

    All the people that agree with binladen can be moved to afghanistan

  25. JFree   2 years ago

    Compelling evidence that climate change and atmospheric carbon increases are largely caused by Greta Thunberg

    1. Eeyore   2 years ago

      Is the onion 100% AI generated yet?

  26. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Republicans call for TikTok ban:

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/6341239852112

    Let's ban this TikTok thang boys, before it saps the bodily fluids of our yute

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      Why do you have a 2 after your name?

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Why do you suck cock in the mens room airport?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Please, Pluggo, tell us, why do you suck cock in the men's room at the airport.

          1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

            Nikki Haley's going to out you.

            1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

              Because that's her turf?

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a TDS-addled asshole.

        3. Chumby   2 years ago

          Ronald McFondled, you’re clowning around again in the men’s room?

          How many men’s rooms have airports?

          1. Eeyore   2 years ago

            Lol

          2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

            "Ronald McFondler" might be a better fit.

            1. Chumby   2 years ago

              “He fondled a kid” works in this context and McFondled is a better homonym for McDonald.

        4. damikesc   2 years ago

          Seems like a non-responsive comment.

      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

        It's funny because he's a pedofile

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          Was it a run on?

    2. See Double You   2 years ago

      Really gross for you to use "bodily fluids" and "yute" in the same sentence.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Well, Pluggo is a pedo so...

    3. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    4. Super Scary   2 years ago

      "our yute"

      Our hwhat?

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        did you say utes?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          "Uh, everything that guy just said is bullshit. Thank you."

  27. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1725508597629517912?t=cRuEGGleQsniqXhRtetjUw&s=19

    If you don't want to read the whole of this letter, let me paraphrase:

    "Dear former service member,

    We discharged you for being a science-denier, conspiracy theorist and threat to national security, but now we need you to die for our special interests. Please come back!"

    [Link]

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Facts changed!

      1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

        We were doing the best we could with the information we had liked!

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Look. We didn't know about the information we chose to censor. We couldn't find that information anywhere.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Facts are what I claim they are, nothing more nothing less. Anything that isn't one of my facts is a conspiracy. - Humpty Dumpty the last 5 years.

    2. Super Scary   2 years ago

      Suspiciously missing from that is the admittance that they will do it again if Covid-20 (or whatever) happens.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        I wouldn't say it's suspiciously missing, more "just this side of 110+% incompetent" missing.

        They're going to have to scrape by on the 80-85 IQ and lazy-beyond-lazy grifters of free shit until they figure out how to unfuck themselves or someone does it for them.

  28. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1725397468727456115?t=hsHbv_NiQy66xh7OFKZ-Zw&s=19

    My father fought in the Korean War. I miss him with all my heart, yet I am grateful he never had to see an American serviceman holding a communist Chinese flag.

    [Video]

    1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      Well, now we know who's really in charge.

  29. Agammamon   2 years ago

    in which the terrorist group would release 50 hostages—all women and children—and Israel would release the same number of Palestinians—all women and children—who are currently being held in prisons.

    Is this trans-genocide?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      Titanic "we save the woman and children first"
      Hama "we take the woman and children first"
      The left "see they are the same"

  30. Agammamon   2 years ago

    As an aside: It is not that hard to devote the tiniest bit of word count to the fact that Israeli civilians were brutally slaughtered on October 7.

    Get with the narrative!

    Jews 'die' or 'pass away' on Oct7. You can't be saying they were killed. That's reserved for Hamas.

    1. Agammamon   2 years ago

      What is up with the software here that you can open a blockquote but you can't close it?

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Nobody cares about block quotes

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          Block quote lives matter!

      2. Ajsloss   2 years ago

        Someone was experimenting with it in the comments of this article yesterday:

        https://reason.com/2023/11/16/full-extent-of-covid-fraud-will-never-be-known-with-certainty/?comments=true#comments

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Some people did something? So you’re with the terrorists?

    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      October 7...some people did some things.

  31. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Dozens are shutting the bridge down during commute hours, DEMANDING a ceasefire in Gaza while Biden is here in San Francisco.

    Dozens you say?

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Demanding you say?

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Dozens? I wasn't aware the Golden Gate Bridge had dozens of speed bumps.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        Bay Bridge, not Golden Gate.

        Damnit, they're trapping people in Oakland! That's just cruel!

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          save the A's and protest Jews win win.

  32. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

    "New House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.) worked with Democrats to pass a spending bill to avoid shutting down the federal government as yet another deadline approached. In order to do so, he refused to champion the massive spending cuts that the fiscally-conservative flank of the House has long been advocating..."

    Meaning changing who is Speaker did not change the political equation when the GOP has a bare majority in the House, and is the minority in the Senate.

    1. R Mac   2 years ago

      Abortion is the most important thing.

  33. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    The future: shrinking labor forces.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/pennsylvania/article_84605600-84c3-11ee-aa8f-cf7e400d257a.html

    Despite Pennsylvania’s surging tax collections in recent years, one state agency warns that a budget deficit lies ahead, complicated even more by a shrinking labor force.

    The Independent Fiscal Office’s economic and budget outlook for the next five years expects the deficit to rapidly expand from $624 million in the current fiscal year to more than $4 billion by 2028 as average spending outpaces tax revenues.

    The combination of declining revenues, due in part to the state’s reduction of its corporate net income tax rate, along with lower Treasury collections and shrinking corporate profits, will widen the deficit. Spending will also rise for long-term care for disabled residents and those 75 and older.

    The IFO expects that the number of residents under 65 years old will decline 520,000 by 2030, while those 65 and older will grow by 502,000 in the same period.

    At the same time, Pennsylvania’s labor force participation rate has trended downward, worsening the state’s revenue outlook. With more older residents relative to younger workers, the tax burden per worker rises. The problem has been called a “silver tsunami” by state officials.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      these states cant go broke fast enough.

  34. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/MorgothsReview/status/1725529824041603200?t=gevxz7fTGHGKy-EbITPcDw&s=19

    Let’s be honest it’s outrageous that this horse shit was ever allowed to gain such traction in western nations.

    This is also why I couldn’t give a tuppenny fuck what problems they face now

    [Link]

    1. R Mac   2 years ago

      tuppenny fuck?

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Brits are quite faggy

  35. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

    And after Israel found the tunnel and all the weapons in the hospital, everyone who criticized Israel for attacking a hospital immediately apologized. The End.

    1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      No widespread tunnels.

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        this was a sentiment two days ago.

    2. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Israel delayed reporters for 12 hours so they could build the tunnels.

    3. Sevo   2 years ago

      Ditto after the finding that it was a faulty Hamas rocket which hit the hospital in the first days.

    4. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      There had better be tunnels, or this is the biggest armed fuckup since the Comet Ping Pong assault...

  36. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Dumb As Shrike.

    https://cwbchicago.com/2023/11/migrant-filed-fake-kidnapping-report-so-hed-have-something-to-post-on-tiktok-chicago-police.html

    A man faces felony charges for allegedly filing a false police report—claiming that his 10-year-old son was kidnapped at the Art Institute—because he wanted something to post on TikTok.

    Dispatchers provided detailed descriptions of the boy and the truck, but it all turned out to be a prank Gomez played to generate material for his TikTok account, according to his arrest report.

    When Chicago cops first met with Gomez in the 7100 block of South Luella, he identified himself as “Joey Sanchez” and explained that his 10-year-old had been kidnapped and his truck stolen from 111 South Michigan, the report said.

    But his story started falling apart when officers took him to meet with detectives at Area Three headquarters at Belmont and Western. He eventually admitted he “made the story up for TikTok,” the arrest report said. No kidnapping or auto theft had occurred.

    1. Super Scary   2 years ago

      Back in my day, if you wanted attention, you'd have to actually have a kid, put him in a box with a bunch of balloons and let him loose. This Manuel guy wasn't even trying!

  37. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Maarblek/status/1725510414199325089?t=xf1XRXgaxb7dXwXg4iqKJw&s=19

    I believe this is the third or fourth ~identity group~ that's had a schism that led to some members announcing that they no longer feel safe within the progressive coalition and now they are ready to settle down and generously offer to become the masters of the other side

    [Link]

  38. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Free speech and hate speech laws.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/16/the-inhumanity-of-europes-hate-speech-laws/

    In 2019, a Finnish politician was arrested under the ‘war crimes and crimes against humanity’ section of Finland’s criminal code. What did she do to deserve this fate? Did she endorse ethnic cleansing or incite mass atrocities?

    Not quite. Päivi Räsänen, former interior minister and currently serving MP, had in fact tweeted a Bible verse. She was attempting to challenge the leadership of her local church for its decision to sponsor a Helsinki Pride event.

    Räsänen faced trial in 2022 for this alleged ‘hate speech’. Thankfully, she was acquitted. But then, earlier this year, prosecutors appealed against the verdict and she was hauled back before the courts.

    Four years, three criminal charges, two court trials and one lengthy media storm later, Räsänen is finally free. The Helsinki Court of Appeal found her ‘not guilty’ of hate speech earlier this week.

    These two trials put more than a prominent Finnish politician under cross-examination. They placed the Bible and Christianity in the dock. The prosecutors didn’t only argue that Räsänen’s views were wrong. They also argued that her religious beliefs should never be expressed at all, as they apparently go beyond the limits of free speech and freedom of religion.

    Räsänen may have been found not guilty on all counts this week, but that does not mean free speech is safe. The scope of hate-speech laws is continually expanding all across the West. Scotland is expected to start enforcing its Hate Crime Act early next year, which could jail citizens caught on the wrong side of sensitive conversations about marriage, gender and sexuality. A similarly draconian hate-speech bill is currently being considered by the Irish parliament. And this week, the governor of New York announced a multimillion-dollar effort to police ‘crimes of hate and bias’, which will involve extensive monitoring of what people say on social media. What could possibly go wrong?

  39. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1715410399355367424?t=Rmv9Z9pq6AptO_I_bkatFQ&s=19

    Neat!

    Two groups of Jews were asked about their voting intentions, but one of them read an article saying that the Democratic party had turned towards favoring Palestine over Israel.

    Despite supporting Israel, that group said they were more likely to vote Democrat.

    [Link]

    1. Agammamon   2 years ago

      Some men, you can not reach. So you get what we had here last last month, which is the way they wants it... well, they gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.

  40. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Cheaper and better, but the pols hate it.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/heating-homes-natural-gas-more-40-percent-cheaper-electricity-us-eia

    Heating homes this winter using natural gas is estimated to cut down energy costs by more than 40 percent compared to electricity, according to a recent report by the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).

    Households using electricity to heat homes are projected to pay $1,063 on average between November and March, according to a Nov. 7 winter fuels outlook report by the EIA. In comparison, households using natural gas are only expected to shell out $601.

    Region-wise, the biggest difference is in the Midwest, where electric heating is expected to cost $1,213—more than double the gas cost of $581. In the Northeast, gas heating is projected to be cheaper by $704, in the South by $507, and in the West by $417.

    Natural gas heating is also cheaper compared to other alternative energy sources such as propane and heating oil, which are expected to cost $1,343 and $1,851 respectively.

    High heating costs borne by households using electricity come as the Biden administration is pushing an electrification agenda.

    The administration is already imposing several restrictions on the use of gas-powered appliances. The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) has announced new efficiency standards for residential gas furnaces, pool pumps, battery chargers, dehumidifiers, ceiling fans, incandescent light bulbs, and gas stoves that would severely curtail their use.

    An August report by the DOE revealed that natural gas is a far cheaper energy source than electricity. The cost of electricity was calculated to be $46.19 per million British thermal units (Btu). Natural gas cost only came to $13.97 per million Btu, which is 3.3 times cheaper than electricity.

    The AGA estimates that households using natural gas for heating, drying clothes, and cooking save about $1,068 per annum on average compared to homes that use electricity for such activities. Through 2050, natural gas prices are projected to be half to a third of the price of other fuels.

    Speaking to Daily Caller, Tom Pyle, president of the American Energy Alliance, said that the “political appointees in the White House ... are more interested in helping their big money backers in the green movement than they are in helping provide relief for working-class American families.”

    “Higher electricity prices don’t hurt wealthy coastal elites, but they crush the poor, seniors, and those living on fixed incomes,” Mr. Pyle said.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Higher electricity prices don’t hurt wealthy coastal elites, but they crush the poor, seniors, and those living on fixed incomes,”

      As intended.

  41. Sevo   2 years ago

    "Federal judge sides with BC professor in First Amendment suit over campus DEI policies"
    [...]
    "BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) – Rules requiring California community colleges and their faculty to promote diversity, equity and inclusion could violate a Bakersfield College professor’s freedom of speech, according to a U.S. Magistrate Judge.
    This decision by Judge Christopher Baker could be the first step toward overturning statewide rules on DEI policies at California Community Colleges.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-judge-sides-with-bc-professor-in-first-amendment-suit-over-campus-dei-policies/ar-AA1k024G

  42. JFree   2 years ago (edited)

    As an aside: It is not that hard to devote the tiniest bit of word count to the fact that Israeli civilians were brutally slaughtered on October 7.

    As an aside – repeating the story of the slaughter of six weeks ago does not really create a new news story every day to rationalize today’s slaughter. Of course you know that don’t you.

    Uri Avnery once said - It would be nice to believe that people who have undergone suffering have been purified by suffering. But it's the opposite, it makes them worse. It corrupts. There is something in suffering that creates a kind of egoism...Sick people, when they are in pain, cannot speak about anyone but themselves. And when such monstrous things have happened to your people, you feel nothing can be compared to it. You get a moral "power of attorney", a permit to do anything you want

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      "As an aside – repeating the story of the slaughter of six weeks ago does not really create a new news story every day to rationalize today’s slaughter. Of course you know that don’t you."

      As an aside, it does provide context for those who are not familiar with the history.
      But you knew that didn't you, you slimy pile of shit.

    2. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Why don't you write a history of America's WWII naval war in the Pacific without mentioning Pearl Harbor?

      1. JFree   2 years ago

        Is that something like the history of the Battle of Iwo Jima with Pearl Harbor mentioned every time Iwo Jima is mentioned? Or a Reason Roundup where the Oct 7 attack is mentioned virtually every day?

        It is obviously not news - or 'context' - or accidental - or saved from disappearing into the mists of history. It is exactly what Avnery describes. A way of justifying anything/everything by making it - enough about your suffering, let's talk about mine.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          "Is that something like the history of the Battle of Iwo Jima with Pearl Harbor mentioned every time Iwo Jima is mentioned? Or a Reason Roundup where the Oct 7 attack is mentioned virtually every day?"

          No, asshole, and you're not very good at making up strawmen, either.

    3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      Now apply that to the Palestinians themselves and the Progs oppressed/oppressor dynamic for judging any conflict.

      1. JFree   2 years ago

        Oh cool. The path of moral relativism and whataboutery.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          You should know.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          What's wrong with whataboutery?

          Whataboutism can provide necessary context into whether or not a particular line of critique is relevant or fair. Accusing someone of whataboutism can also in itself be manipulative and serve the motive of discrediting.

          1. JFree   2 years ago

            It does nothing of the sort because it does nothing to discuss the actual point in question. Best case, it serves only to divert attention. More often, it serves to dismiss an argument about ethics and reduce it to relativism by mere assertion and diversion rather than being honest/talented enough to make that argument directly. Done as frequently as it is done now, it serves only to enhance some postmodern notion that nothing matters and nothing is really right or wrong. There is a reason that this technique became widespread because of its value in propaganda and manipulation. But it being widespread now does not make the technique 'better' or 'acceptable' or 'sound'.

            As a complete aside, it is very obvious that both Palestinians and Israelis have been using the 'I am the biggest fucking victim in the world not you. Therefore I should be justified in doing anything to you.' for damn near a century now. Even before the creation of Israel where Palestinians viewed Zionism as compensation for European guilt over attempted genocide of European Jews - by imposing ethnic cleansing on Palestinians.

            That ego-driven victimhood has been used to justify atrocities and, basically, various forms of grifting in funding it from outside. Actual atrocities not merely some who-gives-a-shit nihilism/fatalism/relativism. Which is the only place whataboutism leads.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "There is a reason that this technique became widespread because of its value in propaganda and manipulation."

              There's far more manipulation going on in labeling reasonable and pertinent comparisons "Whataboutism", than vice versa.

      2. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        If you cannot plug other situations into your analytical method, than your method is nonsense.

        1. JFree   2 years ago

          If you cannot discuss the actual point in question, then that's your failing.

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            "If you cannot discuss the actual point in question, then that’s your failing."

            The actual point was under discussion, with reference to other points and a shitbag name of JFree objected.
            Fuck off and die, asshole

    4. Agammamon   2 years ago

      Actually, it does. Because the slaughter 6 weeks ago justifies the slaughter today.

      1. JFree   2 years ago (edited)

        And yesterday. And the day before. And tomorrow. And the next day.

        So it justifies – every possible action – at any time – forever. Just keep repeating "Oct 7" every day – and all of today’s actions can be both justified and ignored. Enough about someone else’s suffering. Let’s keep talking about mine.

        This is how moral bankruptcy happens. Real time.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          "...This is how moral bankruptcy happens. Real time."

          This is how some fucking ignoramus continues to sling bullshit.

        2. Agammamon   2 years ago

          The Palestinians already filed for moral bankruptcy 30 years ago. Now you're upset the Israelis are tired of it and *actually conducting a military operation with due regard for civilian lives*?

    5. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

      "repeating the story of the slaughter of six weeks ago."

      It happened so long ago, it's like ancient history.

  43. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/bethanyshondark/status/1725179479083913438?t=dpEKD2dgZ_eDn6PP9Sd7bg&s=19

    This is antisemitic.

    [Link]

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Oh man. And I thought the contest on the ass end of the Earth to name a chunk of dirt according to its ancient Israel/Palestine identity was stupid...

      Bethany S. Mandel @bethanyshondark
      This is antisemitic.

      Dr Taylor Marshall™️ @TaylorRMarshall
      I’m praying that Ben Shapiro finds faith in the only true King of the Jews: Our Lord Jesus Christ. twitter.com/benshapiro/sta…

    2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

      I don’t fully agree with Ben Shapiro (or anyone else) but I would do a hard pass on “Dr.” Taylor Marshall’s bedside manner as well.

      Just do your exam, send your bill, and I’ll pay as quick as I can, but shut the fuck up about religion. I don't pay you for that.

  44. BLPoG   2 years ago

    I like Liz's Roundup posts

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Do you also like The Wizard of Oz and Santa?
      🙂
      😉
      Welcome to the Reason Comments section if this is your first time here!

      We can be a rough bunch and you have to talk with a drawl with some of us, but we have our friendly side too. Come sit a spell!

  45. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Senotor Mike Lee (Piece of Shit - Utah)

    Senator Mike Lee is asking why Republicans supporting House Speaker Mike Johnson's plan to avoid a government shutdown do not leave the GOP.
    .
    Lee, a Utah Republican and Donald Trump ally, spoke out against House Republicans' plans to keep the government open through the rest of the year in a post to X (formerly Twitter) late Monday night.

    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-ally-pushes-republicans-leave-party-1843519

    Lee calls for Republicans that support Johnson's plan to leave the party.

    Fair enough. I don't care.

    But Lee still supports Fatass Donald (I LOVE BIG SPENDING) Trump.

    Just fuck yourself, Lee. You're Big Government trash who wants to monitor web activity.

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      how dare he fight for reduced spending. what a douche

  46. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1725522517543075861?t=4tMGiGus9qGUJhePCCXOVA&s=19

    The IBM that was paid to run the racial census in 1933 Germany? That IBM?

    [Link]

  47. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/th3v0t4ry/status/1725249743725412844?t=8HU9hQF3vpM8ORNm6hroPg&s=19

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

    [Link]

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      So a description of you, Nazi Nardz?
      🙂

  48. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

    What "oil interests" are there in Gaza?

    1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      All middle easterners look the same to her.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      Same as in all of Israel.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Ackshuyally, Israel has oil and has had it a while:

        Potentially game-changing oil reserves discovered in Israel
        By Paul Alster , Fox News
        Published October 8, 2015 3:30am EDT | Updated December 8, 2015 3:59am EST
        https://www.foxnews.com/world/potentially-game-changing-oil-reserves-discovered-in-israel

    3. Zeb   2 years ago

      Isn't there a lot of offshore gas?

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        stay away from the rugelach.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        There's a natural gas deposit off the coast of Gaza, but I don't think it's particularly big or especially valuable. Certainly not to the extent of threatening to nuke people over.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          No one is threatening to use nukes on Gaza, Nazi Nardz! The fucking fallout and radiation could affect Israelis too! Dummy!

      3. Moonrocks   2 years ago

        It's further up north.

    4. Agammamon   2 years ago

      Dude, those guys stretched '36 hours of fuel until the hospital generators run out' to 6 weeks - and counting.

      This is the real reason Gaza has to fall. The global oil industry panicked when they realized the Palestinians had this sort of tech - it would destroy their profits!!1111!!!

  49. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/eugyppius1/status/1725544714592551104?t=USwgin4qlSRrfPfMjqyxcQ&s=19

    I have long thought about how almost all the threats against which the expert technocracy promises to save us are invisible. We still send our priestly class forth to defend us from the unseen world of spirits and demons – in modern understanding, viruses and gases.

    [Link]

  50. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

    Dick Tater calls Xi a dictator and Blinken looks like he sat on a tack.

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/11/16/blinken-reaction-biden-xi-dictator-vpx.cnn

  51. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>were aware before today that there even was a poetry editor.

    I'm so important.
    Unedited poetry
    is worse than Hamas.

    1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      Nicely done satire
      Making fun of pompous twats
      Beyond parody.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Hard to satire
        When Left beyond parody
        They whine bitch piss moan

    2. Public Entelectual   2 years ago (edited)

      Safe in their lair on Times Square
      The Editors got very scared
      That news of a Blitz
      To print quite unfit
      Would emerge when the numbers were aired

    3. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

      Is she a Vogon?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        That might explain a lot.

  52. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    "If this resignation leaves a hole in the news the size of poetry, then that is the true shape of the present."

    Pretty sure we're talking about a hole that would only be detectable on a quantum scale. Beyond microscopic. She won't be missed.

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Who?
      🙂
      😉

  53. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>On TikTok, some youths are making videos talking about how misunderstood Osama bin Laden was, and how actually he made some great points.

    G*d help us all if one is Nikki Haley's daughter.

  54. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/johnthenoticer/status/1725460279872389590?t=leb0SPHNYnQ_MPrAFRx0Aw&s=19

    Healthy children are much more likely to be right-wing as adults:

    According to a study published in 2022, health status in childhood correlates with being conservative in adulthood.

    [Link]

  55. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago (edited)

    They know who really pays them.

    Must we really give standing ovations to Xi?

  56. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>New House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.) ... possibly earning similar ire from colleagues within his party.

    they wouldn't hit a man with glasses?

  57. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>One-third of U.S. newspapers as of 2005 will be gone by 2024

    wouldn't even remember NYT existed if my favorite site didn't cite it every morning.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Likewise. It's a local New York paper as far as I'm concerned, no different than citing the Buttfuck, Montana Daily Planet.

      1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        Hey now, that's a fairly reputable paper. Their expose on the increase in cattle on the roads deserved a Pulitzer.

  58. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>not an overstatement to be weirded out by the fact that thousands of kids actually are down with Osama bin Laden

    wait until they find out O hid him instead of killing him ...

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Who exactly do you think killed bin Laden?

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        I mean for giggles, but I thought the above would be more clear he remains vertical and ventilating.

  59. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago

    "On TikTok, some youths are making videos talking about how misunderstood Osama bin Laden was. . ."

    Liz Wolfe predictably lost the entire freaking plot of this TikTok trend. After 9/11 Bush came out and said Al Qaeda attacked us because "they hate our freedom." Pat Buchanan came back around and pointed out that Bin Laden actually hated us for years of bombing the Middle East and propping up Israel (which enables Israel to not have to negotiate on a settlement with the Palestinian people). Buchanan wasn't praising Bin Laden when he said this. Nor was Ron Paul when he made the same points throughout his 2008 and 2012 campaigns. But the reality of history got swept under the rug by successive administrations that favored continuing to bomb the Middle East and dump trillions into regime change projects of the kind I would have thought the "libertarian" Reason magazine would not support.

    So along comes a social media trend where literal children (and also people with childlike minds) are finding out that the neocon version of history they've been taught for years actually left out some pretty important plot points. Again, because many of the people jumping on this trend are children or morons, they won't grasp the nuance of the point Buchanan has been making for 2 fking decades. But surely Reason magazine can reason this one out, right? Nope.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Bin Laden is, like a number of the trolls here, not arguing in good faith.

      https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1724969419804397997

      The letter @yashar
      is talking about here is attributed to Osama Bin Landen, and it is a masterpiece of political propaganda. Maybe the best example of propoganda that I have ever seen.

      The writer adopts a brilliant strategy: using the ideas of American moralists (both left and right) to attack America’s moral authority.

      He uses the language of the moralists of the American right to attack American social morality. He attacks gambling, homosexuality, and sexual immorality generally; all of which are complaints that resonate with the American right.

      Having appealed to left and right, and having subverted American moral authority, he then suggests a scapegoat, a common enemy, a group which can be blamed for this whole mess:

      The Jews.

      But remember: all of this is propaganda. The author is not arguing honestly, he is trying to push the buttons of Americans in order to demoralize them and get them to turn on their own nation.

      The goal of the letter is to turn Americans against their own nation by causing them to lose faith in their own society and civilization. This will lead them to become demoralized, to not know what is true, and to turn on America.

      To close, that letter was pure propaganda, and what these tiktoks show is that America is not ready for the propaganda war

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        https://twitter.com/Oreallynow1/status/1725065784227930568?t=_HWBitq0WcpRuYMGN__omA&s=19

        Ron Paul made all the same arguments theyre pretending to agree with before UBL was even a glimmer in the CIAs eye.
        The reason this is catching traction on TikTok/ The Guardian is because UBL espoused oppressor v oppressed ideology to justify slaughtering Americans i.e. wokeness

      2. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago (edited)

        While your entire response consists of a copy/paste of an account that cherry-picks which portions of Bin Laden’s letter to cite, I’ll assume you are arguing in good faith.

        Dismissing Bin Laden’s letter entirely as propaganda avoids having to address the problem. The U.S. support for Israel and the U.S. bombing of the Middle East prior to 9/11 are both verifiable facts, are they not? Obviously, Bin Laden was mocking the U.S. as a culture, but he was also stating a legitimate grievance (you bombed our Mosques and our homes, now I’m mad at you). One can understand a guy Middle East would be upset as American bomb turned his countrymen into chili, without thinking that guy in the Middle East now has the right to now kill 3,000 innocent people. But you’d also not be surprised if seeing his countrymen killed would radicalize him. If someone were to kill innocent Americans, you might imagine some U.S. civilians would be upset and want revenge. In fact, they were and did. Tons of people joined the military after 9/11 with the express intent to go kill the people they deemed responsible for that attack. Those American warfighters then proceeded to kill alot of civilian noncombatants along the way, oftentimes by accident but not always. Some of those Americans even made some unkind references about the other side’s culture along the way.

        If it’s your opinion that the US was completely blameless in the Middle East prior to 9/11, that’s your prerogative, but I’m not being a troll or acting in bad faith for holding a different view.

        1. BYODB   2 years ago


          Dismissing Bin Laden’s letter entirely as propaganda avoids having to address the problem.

          This may surprise you, but propaganda always includes truth along with it's batshittery. That's how you make people swallow it.

          Which is why people are swallowing it now. With or without 'selective editing' Osama was out to destroy the West by any means necessary. As long as he provided a fig leaf that some people could agree with, the rest of his bat shit insanity is left unquestioned apparently.

          1. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago

            "This may surprise you, but propaganda always includes truth along with it’s batshittery. That’s how you make people swallow it."

            So ignore the batshittery and address the factual parts.

            "Osama was out to destroy the West by any means necessary."

            His goal for destroying the West was provoking us to fight in Afghanistan, the famous graveyard of empires. And we did exactly that, to immense financial and human costs for ourselves. We also segwayed that into a war in Iraq on the outright lie that Sadam was in cahoots with Bin Laden and was about to give him WMDs.

            "As long as he provided a fig leaf that some people could agree with, the rest of his bat shit insanity is left unquestioned apparently."
            Do you think people joined Bin Laden's crew primarily because they were upset about US bombing them for years and killing innocents, or because of what he had to say about gay people and gambling? The batshit parts are left unquestioned because they're obviously not the real motivating factor. The motivating factor is for these people is opposition to neocon regime change.

            1. BYODB   2 years ago

              I think people joined Bin Laden because of a variety of reasons, but mostly because of religious sectarian reasons that have little to do with reality.

              Why do you think Saudi Arabians and Egyptians in particular flew the the planes into the twin towers? Do we bomb Saudi Arabia and Egypt a lot?

              1. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago

                Sure, the 9/11 hijackers who were Saudi and Egyptian have the same religion as the people bombed by the US pre-9/11 yes, but I'd posit their motives are far more about being aggrieved of people of their same ethnic or religious heritage being killed in neighboring countries, than because the Quran told them to kill people. It's the same reason that secular Jewish people in America want to see Gaza bombed even though Hamas didn't attack any piece of US territory on Oct. 7.

        2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

          Do you mean the bombing of Iraq? Because the Kuwaitis and Saudis welcomed that one. Khaddafi's Libya? Be specific.The US was more the victim then the aggressor when it came to being bombed.
          Note that I was not a supporter of either Iraq war or even of being involved in the region.

          1. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago

            "Do you mean the bombing of Iraq? Because the . . . Saudis welcomed that one"
            Clearly not all of them right?

            Bin Laden (the Saudi that he is) does cite the US military action in Iraq, and the sanctions. He also cites US military action in Somalia, and the US/Multi-nat force that went into Lebanon from 1982-84.

            He also expressed dissent for US supporting Israel against the Palestinians, Russia against the Chechens, Indians against the Muslims in Kashmir, and the government of the Philippines against Muslims in the southern Philippines.

            He also accuses the US of propping up corrupt leaders in the Saudi government (if that provides further clarity on the state of how the Saudis feel about the US policy in the Middle East).

            If you'd like more specifics, you can read the 2002 letter or other statements he made pre 9/11. https://web.archive.org/web/20231114002331/https:/www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

            "The US was more the victim then the aggressor when it came to being bombed."
            I'd like to see how you come by that calculation.

    2. BYODB   2 years ago


      ...which enables Israel to not have to negotiate on a settlement with the Palestinian people...

      Horse shit. Israel could wipe out Gaza tomorrow if they decided to, with or without United States backing.

      Right now, the United States is actually obstructing Israel from doing exactly that along with just about every other nation labeled 'western'.

      What the West wants is an endless status quo, which is notably unpalatable to both Israel and Gaza. For Israel, it's allowing terrorists to constantly fire rockets into the suburbs. For Gaza, it's because allowing Jews to exist cannot stand.

      Osama was a piece of shit that declared war from his safehouse by killing over 1000 civilians in cold blood. Whatever his justifications might have really been, it wasn't excusable then just as it's not excusable now.

      It's just such an obvious lie that if we just let those poor Palestinians alone the area would be full of peace. The Palestinians themselves are telling you that's not true, so why would we believe the whitewashing from the political and media class?

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        "Israel could wipe out Gaza tomorrow if they decided to, with or without United States backing."

        Then why haven't they?
        It certainly isn't "humanitarian" concerns.
        Reality is they aren't confident in their capability of winning a 3 front war anymore without US involvement.
        They're trying to walk a fine line of showing strength but not too harshly because they don't want to truly alienate the gulf states.
        Terrorism from Gaza will always be a threat so long as Palestinians live there. It's a tough balancing act to reduce that threat to acceptable levels and maintain the status quo with neighboring countries, especially as US power/affinity looks like it's rapidly waning.

        1. BYODB   2 years ago

          I guess when you get most of your news from X, this is where you end up.

          Notably, the entirety of 'the West' is literally threatening Israel if so much as blink wrong during this 'conflict'.

          Which is ironic as hell since most of those same nations were absolutely against the United States invading Iraq but we gave them the finger and did it anyway. Amusing that we now side with those other western powers when it's not our civilians being butchered.

          And to be clear, the U.S. invasion of Iraq was way less justified than Israel going after Hamas. They at least made sure that the people they're bombing were actually the same assholes that attacked them.

          It's notably pretty weird to me that you've managed to take your reasonable position of 'the U.S. doesn't need to intervene' and yet still manage to look sideways at Israel in this conflict. That says more about you than you'd probably like to reveal.

          1. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago

            "It’s notably pretty weird to me that you’ve managed to take your reasonable position of ‘the U.S. doesn’t need to intervene’ and yet still manage to look sideways at Israel in this conflict. That says more about you than you’d probably like to reveal."

            Israel can go kill Hamas if it wants. I just expect it to not kill civilians. Israel outright admitted to air striking an ambulance full of people the other day, claiming they were all Hamas, but has had no follow-through to back up that claim. That gives me pause. Glad I could clarify that for you.

            1. BYODB   2 years ago


              I just expect it to not kill civilians.

              The United States couldn't stop hitting civilians, and notably we're the largest super power on the planet outside of China.

              There has never been a war fought on this earth that didn't also hit civilians.

              You know who specifically targeted civilians on purpose? Hamas.

              1. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago

                "The United States couldn’t stop hitting civilians, and notably we’re the largest super power on the planet outside of China."

                I don't like it when the US kills civilians either. It engenders blowback. Welcome to the point I've been making this entire time.

                "You know who specifically targeted civilians on purpose? Hamas."

                I also don't like when Hamas kills innocent people. I don't condone that. They're also not the only ones who do it. Israel deliberately shot unarmed Gazans during the March of Return protests in 2019.

            2. Sevo   2 years ago

              "...Israel can go kill Hamas if it wants. I just expect it to not kill civilians...":

              Aw, how sweet of you!!
              Fuck off and die.

              1. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago

                You can do better than that

          2. Nardz   2 years ago

            I didn't condemn Israel in any way, you're just being hypersensitive.
            I talked about them being in a tough spot because burning all their bridges would leave them extremely vulnerable.
            The emotional need you have for Israel to be constantly praised is fucking weird.

            1. BYODB   2 years ago

              Sorry, I should clarify that I've actually read your posts for the past few weeks and I've seen a lot of bitching from you regarding Israel in particular. I should have pretended to be ignorant of the context.

              Either way, the U.S. and Europe are quite certainly telling Israel to go slow and prove themselves every step of the way whereas Hamas gets to make wild claims that are unprovable but are breathlessly repeated as fact by publications in the U.S. and Europe.

              What's weird to me is that you so clearly have an axe to grind against Israel and want to play the victim card when that's pointed out. And that's coming from someone that's overall sympathetic to the notion that we have no real interest in propping up Israel.

              1. Nardz   2 years ago

                Yes, I bitch about Israel because so many of you have become full on cocksuckers for a parasitic country that wields way too much influence on our government. You want nothing but cheerleading for Israel, and I do not respect that bullshit.
                I do respect Israel's past winning wars and defending themselves. I do not respect crying about victimhood of 80 years ago, passive-aggressive manipulation, and double standards that have yall throwing out your principles and acting like rabid neocons.
                So you can feel free to fuck off and join the IDF to kill all the Palestinians you want instead of crying about me criticizing Israel when I'm just presenting neutral analysis.
                Slava Israeli!
                Happy now?

              2. Sevo   2 years ago

                nardz ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer. In fac, if it weren't for X-link, nardz would have no reason to live.
                Ignore him saves time.

        2. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago

          ^That and Netanyahu has actually made it a strategy to prop up Hamas because it divides the Palestinians between two factions and makes it more difficult for them to reach a consensus on a 2-state agreement.

          Israel has agreed to a 2-state solution in principle, but Netanyahu and his Likud Party openly opposes that idea. Netanyahu's gambit was to prop up the Islamic group (Hamas), to further isolate Fatah which is the more secular Palestinian group that has done the most to advance 2-state negotiations.

        3. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago

          ^That and Netanyahu has actually made it a strategy to prop up Hamas because it divides the Palestinians between two factions and makes it more difficult for them to reach a consensus on a 2-state agreement.

          Israel has agreed to a 2-state solution in principle, but Netanyahu and his Likud Party openly opposes that idea. Netanyahu’s gambit was to prop up the Islamic group (Hamas), to further isolate Fatah which is the more secular Palestinian group that has done the most to advance 2-state negotiations.

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

            ^That and Netanyahu has actually made it a strategy to prop up Hamas because it divides the Palestinians between two factions and makes it more difficult for them to reach a consensus on a 2-state agreement.

            The reasons Hamas is popular with the Palestinians is much more pedestrian than most people think:

            Hamas isn't corrupt.

            Unlike the Arafat PLO, regular Palestinians were sick and tired of having to get their permit for their Hookah shop considered without having to pay off the PLO official. Hamas keeps the lights on, the water running, the trash picked up, etc. To Palestinian normies, this is a better situation than Arafat's PLO. It just so happens that serious ideologues (unlike Arafat who was happy being an international playboy) are often not corrupt.

            Here's Peter Hitchens describing this Phenomenon.

            Video cut at relevant time.

            1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

              Takeaway quote: "You're not in it for the money, you're in it for the great goal.

            2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

              Arafat was an international playboy? Yikes.

              That’s like Yoda being an intergalactic playboy. Tough visual, that.

    3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

      Who gives a fuck why Bin Laden did 9/11? Islamofascists such as Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Saudi and Iranian regimes backing them should not take up one square inch of dirt on the face of the Earth!

    4. Dillinger   2 years ago

      >>(and also people with childlike minds)
      >>actually left out some pretty important plot points

      bro?

    5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Middle East and propping up Israel (which enables Israel to not have to negotiate on a settlement with the Palestinian people).

      Someone doesn't know any history of the Israel Palestine conflict. Who was it who said he "had no interest in being the mayor of Jericho"? Oh yeah, Yassir Arafat.

    6. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

      Read the letter, he does say at length that a large reason was the fact that we have separation of church and state and don't follow Shariah law. So, yes, a big reason was because he hated our freedoms. Only dipshit like you would ignore entire sections in order to blame America.

      1. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago

        "Read the letter, he does say at length that a large reason was the fact that we have separation of church and state and don’t follow Shariah law. So, yes, a big reason was because he hated our freedoms. Only dipshit like you would ignore entire sections in order to blame America."

        The beginning part of the letter is all about his grievances and the very first item on the letter is him stating that the fighting is "because you attack us and continue to attack us." The part about the separation of church and state and calls for the embrace of Shariah law are in the second half when he's laying out what he thinks the solution to this problem is. That's not him articulating "a large reason" why he attacked the US, so much as him saying what he wants the US to do now (in Nov 2002). You must have missed that part or lacked comprehension in your haste to cntrl+f search for the word "Shariah."

        My entire point has been that it's okay to recognize Bin Laden's grievances (the US killing innocents in the Middle East and backing disruptive foreign policy/regime change), without buying Bin Laden's idea of reconciliation (murdering 3000 more innocent people and demanding his opponents embrace Islamic fundamentalism).

        Only a dipshit like you would pretend history started on 9/11/01 and act like the neocons and interventionists who steered US government policy in the two decades prior had an utterly spotless record. Those are the people I'm blaming, not the entirely unspecific "America" you accuse me of blaming.

    7. Agammamon   2 years ago

      The problem here is that 'The West' (and certainly not the US) had not actually been bombing much of anyone since expulsing the Iraqis out of Kuwait in 1991. The Brits had long since turned over most of the control of the oil fields to local government. The US had never had much of a presence there.

      If there was some bitching about the 10 year occupation of Afghanistan - well, that wasn't *us*. If its bitching about Algeria - well, that was the French.

      What real grievances would he have with us *for our actions*? The *1953* Iranian coup? Kuwait? And?

      1. Fkthepostoffice   2 years ago (edited)

        “The problem here is that ‘The West’ (and certainly not the US) had not actually been bombing much of anyone since expulsing the Iraqis out of Kuwait in 1991.”

        The US enforced a no-fly zone around Iraq from 1991 to 2003, the entire time period from the First Gulf War to the second. In that time they shot down multiple Iraqi aircraft. They also conducted a cruise missile strike on Iraq in 1993. In 1996, they conducted more missile strikes, along with B-52 bombing runs. In 1998, Clinton yet again ordered strikes in Iraq (potentially to take media attention away from his impeachment). In addition to Iraq, there was Operation Infinite Reach in 1998. While that was aimed at Al Qaeda, the US launched cruise missiles at a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan on faulty intel that the plant was making chemical weapons. 11 Sudanese civilians were killed/wounded in that particular strike. During Operation Infinite Reach, the US also launched missiles at Afghanistan. The Taliban claimed that portion of the operation also killed civilians, whether or not that’s true.

        Maybe you could be more specific when you say the US “had not been bombing much of anyone” since 1991. Cause that certainly seems like a few easy-to-find examples. And that's just the period after Gulf War I. Not counting anything before 1991.

        I'm also not counting the U.S. military operations in Somalia in 1993, which were a pretty mixed bag in terms of PR for the U.S.

  60. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

    The Israelis and Jewish settlers are immigrants, right? Doesn't that mean it's politically correct to support them?

    1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      Are you assuming that this principle is enforced in an even-handed manner?

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago (edited)

        No, I’m making fun of the fact that the “principles” of left-authoritarians apply in only one direction.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      It's the one-way maskinization theory of borders. My border protects you, your border protects me, but my border doesn't protect me, and your border doesn't protect you.

  61. Jeff Greene   2 years ago

    The poetry editor thinks this is a war for oil? That's a talking point so old that it has actually been compressed into coal...

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      no blood for coal! West Virginia hardest hit. again.

  62. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

    For years I’ve been circling around a book on child liberation. Right now, I can’t think of a more urgent political question than how to act in political solidarity with children.

    What in the holy fuck does that mean?

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Ask Jeffy and Pluggo.

    2. Dillinger   2 years ago

      solidarity with children is not something to seek.

    3. Agammamon   2 years ago

      Generally it means 'I have fantasies about having sex with children that I may or may not have already acted upon'.

  63. LIBertrans   2 years ago

    Hirohito's Holy Government used the population of Japan as civilian hostages--until it became clear Americans would gleefully turn all those islands into Trinitite in short order. Indeed, the production lines were accelerating supplies of unequal yet entirely apposite reprisal force. A lot of former POWs hoped the Nips wouldn't surrender at all, and Truman was THE most popular US President ever. Enablers of HAMAS have themselves to blame if they get their hair mussed. Civilian cowardice is out of style.

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      You seem to be turning more absinthe minded.

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