Maine Voters Will Decide on Bernie Sanders-Backed Utility Plan
A plan to have the state take control of Maine's two private electric utility firms has divided the political left.

In Maine, the progressive left is pushing a plan to seize the means of electricity production—and distribution.
Don't expect the result to be lower energy bills.
Voters in Maine will decide Tuesday whether to authorize the creation of a new quasi-public entity to run the state's electric utility services. If approved by a majority of voters, Maine Ballot Question 3 would allow the new Pine Tree Power Company to "purchase or acquire"—via eminent domain if necessary—the state's existing private electric production facilities and distribution lines. The new company would be governed by a board with a mix of appointed and elected members, and it would be the first such statewide utility entity in the country.
Most of Maine is served by a pair of investor-owned utility companies: Central Maine Power and Versant Power. Advocates of the takeover—including such progressive groups as the Sierra Club and Common Dreams—say it would deal a blow to capitalist greed.
"Power belongs in the hands of the people, not greedy corporations," Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) declared in July when he endorsed a "yes" vote on the ballot question. "Instead of a private power system that last year sent $187 million in profits out of the country, Mainers can have cheaper, more reliable power—and help fight climate change at the same time."
In reality, the proposal is likely to cost Maine's electricity consumers, since the new utility collective would have to buy out the two existing utility companies—and take on their debt—at a price tag estimated to be around $10 billion. According to the Portland Press Herald, that means ratepayers would have to cover a $500 million annual debt service payment before they get a single watt of electricity.
The issue has fractured the political left. Most notably, the Maine AFL-CIO and the local chapter of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, the union that represents workers for the existing utility companies, have come out against the proposal, with the latter declaring: "With politicians who have no utility experience in charge, the decisions on how to invest in the grid would be driven by thoughts of the next election, not what's best for workers and customers over the long term."
The unions are joined, somewhat unusually, by the Maine Chamber of Commerce, whose president has warned that the plan is "bad for businesses, bad for workers, and bad for anyone who has to pay an electric bill."
Residents of Maine can't be blamed if they want changes in how their state's electric utilities operate. Central Maine and Versant ranked dead last in customer satisfaction within their respective categories in last year's J.D. Power surveys.
But a state takeover is unlikely to solve that problem. Indeed, the best way to force those utility companies to improve is to subject them to more competition. But Ballot Question 3 will take competition out of the equation by creating a state-run monopoly and then just hoping for the best.
As with many state ballot questions, there has been scant public polling in advance of the election. An October survey by pollsters at the University of New Hampshire found that 31 percent of Maine voters planned to support the ballot initiative while 54 percent were opposed.
Maine Gov. Janet Mills, a Democrat, is probably the most prominent "no" vote. Mills vetoed a bill in 2021 that would have created the Pine Tree Power Company—a move that prompted advocates to take the issue directly to the voters in this year's election.
In a statement to voters, Mills invoked journalist H.L. Mencken's aphorism that "for every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
"Question 3 presents a rosy solution," Mills added. "In reality, I just don't see how it will improve our utilities or the services they provide. In fact, I fear it might just make things worse."
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I stopped voting in part because I could accurately predict the outcome of an election by taking the inverse of my ballot. So the fact that I would vote against this if I was registered means that it will likely pass. So I’m going to save myself the disappointment and not bother.
If it makes you feel better, guvnah Skittles has publicly opposed this. The signage in Maine (north of Augusta) overwhelmingly supports voting No on this. Folks are also figuring out that their local taxes would increase due to public utilities no longer paying property taxes on all their infrastructure.
Are you expecting me to ignore all the disgusting sexually deviant comments you continually make about me and act as if I don’t think you’re a colossal piece of shit? Just curious.
Huh? The only sexual comments in the other thread were you talking about presidential penis size.
Anyhow, part of me wants this to pass so the moonbats get what they asked for. Augusta can’t print money like Washington. In addition to higher utility bills be passed on, local brick and mortar store prices will increase to offset their increased operating costs. Schools will request bigger budgets to deal with it. Rental prices will go up if they include utilities in the cost.
I only pay about $50/month for electricity so say doubling that wouldn’t be cumbersome. I’d still go off grid on the principle of not participating in least common denominator collectivism.
Huh? The only sexual comments in the other thread were you talking about presidential penis size.
You forget the incessant disgusting comments you make about me and Mike having a sexual relationship. Not quite sure how you think I’m going to think of you as a human being instead of an immature piece of shit when you make comments like that.
Huh?!?! I’m talking about ARs. You mentioned that as an activity during your stay at the half million dollar house rental.
Looks like JesseAz has competition for who can pack the most lies into a single sentence.
Is Jesse now first on your list?
ARs have uppers and lowers. Eugene Stoner intended that users properly lubricate their firearm. ADs/NDs happen when users aren’t being safe.
I’ve been first for years lol.
So much anger. Having a bad day? Mike not calling you back?
Perhaps they applied too much lubricant resulting in an accidental discharge.
Perhaps you could try pretending you matured past the age of 14.
Too much lubricant can allow burnt powder and other debris to foul the action causing the firing pin to ride forward resulting in an AD/ND when chambering a round without holding the trigger. This is a particular concern with SKSs but can impair any firearm.
Proper firearm maintenance is a sign of maturity.
No anger. Just disgust.
You got caught in yet another lie this morning. A direct provable lie. As you accuse others of lying. Is the disgusting you got caught being a lying piece of shit once again?
….and act as if I don’t think you’re a colossal piece of shit?
Such persuasive arguments.
5 stars!
I’ve decided not to vote in the local/state elections here tomorrow for the same reason. Team D has a choke hold on the county board and state delegates so why should I waste my time?
Yep. It’s an endeavor that only leads to disappointment. Like trying to have a serious conversation in these comments.
It is a bit easier to have serious conversations here now that White Mike isn’t using Act Blue talking points to filibuster though there was some creeper in the other story posting about blowjobs and what he believes (knows?!?!) to be the penis sizes of select presidents. That was creepy, disgusting, immature, foul, and juvenile.
Sarc has been flailing pretty badly without those talking points.
I would love a citation of you trying to have a serious conversation since you won’t even answer basic questions disproving your bald assertions and then make completely wrong basic economic talking points such as your laughable definition of the Laffer curve being a line. That was fucking hilarious btw.
If this passes, I will gleefully cut the cord and make electrons with my own equipment.
I’m not saying that Central Maine Power, Versant (former Bangor Hydro) et. al. are perfect. They aren’t. But I trust them to run a utility reliably and at a reasonable cost than govnah Janet Mills (D) or any other apparatchik in Disgusta.
Mills actually opposes Pine Tree Power. She vetoed a bill to set it up a few years ago.
I actually posted above some hours ago that the guvnah opposes it. It doesn’t change that she and some government employees would be in charge of it.
And she clearly doesn’t want the government to be partially responsible for an electric utility. Except that the way Pine Tree would be set up it would be accountable to pretty much nobody. It would be run by a for profit grid operator hired by the Board. At least the two existing utilities are accountable to the Public Service Commission.
She has articulated that but I don’t know what she clearly wants. She imposed some sort of mask mandate then openly violated it herself (this occurred on Deer Isle/Stonington). It was almost as if she has a (D) after her name.
The towns that rely in part on the property taxes from these private utilities to pay for their mandated schools will be in a bind and likely pass that bill on to homeowners, who will already be getting it from the increase in their utility bill to pay off the many billions of dollars borrowed as well as the inflation caused by local stores passing on their increased operating costs to patrons.
PowerAutomobile production belongs in the hands of the people, not greedy corporations,”Sounds just as stupid.
Ladas and Trabants were very fine cars when they worked, and the average person could fix them with a hammer and screwdriver
The very issue with the lefts mentality is pretending [WE] (collective) the people (i.e. government) should own everything instead of individuals who *EARN* it. And it’s also the very difference between the *Constitutional* USA (Individual Liberty and Justice for all) and a [Na]tional So[zi]alist – Empire.
Democrats pretend they aren’t Nazi’s but their belief in [Na]tional ([WE] the people ownership) So[zi]alism is exactly the definition of a Nazi.
And you just showed you have no idea what the Nazi movement was actually about. Are you marching with the Hamas supporters these days?
I’m sure state control will work this time. After all, they’ve got the top men on the job.
And Bernie is an electrical engineer, so this should work out fine.
It isn’t going to be controlled by the state but by s separate elected Board, and it will be run by a for profit company.
This makes as much sense as the AOC Green New Deal.
Bernie shall never relinquish his dream of having everything important to running a civilization controlled by incompetent career government hacks, like himself.
“Power belongs in the hands of the people, not greedy corporations,” Greedy corps are run by greedy people so removing corporate status will not fix this; but Bernie, a greedy socialist himself, knows this.
Bernie is so full of hot air – you could just stick a pipe in ass and get infinite free power.
“Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.)”
Please correct the typo;
Sen. Bernie Sanders (Communist–Vt.)
I’ll be looking at the voting results map-by-town to see how far north and inland the “progressive” cancer has spread, or if maybe, just maybe Maine is not yet beyond saving.
Maine has been losing population I suspect mostly from northern Mainers fleeing for warmer and less pro-oppressive states.
Maine is gaining population and has done so annually since 2015 (macrotrends and USAfacts). Census Bureau shows an increase too.
Folks from New England and the mid Atlantic are getting out of the urban/suburban areas and coming here, which is the cause for the uptick.
The problem is that they often bring their proggie values and voting habits to the very spot that remains pleasant because people already living there know to mind their own business.
Progressives can look to the example of Venezuela’s government takeover of everything from the oil industry to arepas production to see how effective socialists can be at running things.
Every major oil producing country in the world except the US and Canada has nationalized its oil industry. And in Canada, the supposedly right wing government of Alberta owns equity interests in some oil infrastructure, in particular the company that was going to build the Keystone XL pipeline. Alaska bought oil leases from the federal government because no actual oil company thought they were worth anything, and the Republicans who control Alaska thought that their oil industry needed propping up.
Every major oil producing country in the world except the US and Canada has nationalized its oil industry
How’s that working out for them?
For most of them, rather well. The profits from oil keep taxes low.
Yeah, we should defiantly aspire to be more like Saudi Arabia or Venezuela.
I’m sure you have some examples of countries that aren’t run by authoritarian regimes that nationalized their oil industries but I wager if you drill down into the data from those few nations you’d discover that it’s not so simple and straight forward.
Americans would love the Saudi system. Saudi Arabia doesn’t have taxes. And the price of gasoline is around $2.35 per gallon. All most Americans care about is low taxes and cheap gasoline for their gas guzzlers.
“The new company would be governed by a board with a mix of appointed and elected members.” A sure road to dysfunction.
The utility already ranks last in customer satisfaction and that’s saying something considering all the Coastal California power companies have to rank higher for that to be true. The assumption that a state-managed monopoly is going to be worse run than a for-profit monopoly seems to be an article of faith around here, but there is a very real free market issue with power companies owning the transmission lines and operating on cost-plus contracts. You can see these issues with PG&E in Northern California. The company reduces spending on tree trimming in forests (no incentive there), kills hundreds of people in forest fires, gets sued, and charges the rate payers back for the lawsuits and for the infrastructure project that is required as a result.
If the state owned the transmission lines, the energy sector might function more as a free market since power providers would compete on power rather than figure out ways to capture regulating bodies in order to expand construction to maximize profit.
A fully state owned utility company has at least one benefit going for it over the private monopolies: the voters can impact who runs them every election cycle.
But, no taxes will be paid to the state. Problematic.
No they will be hiring a for profit company to run things. That grid operator will pay taxes.
I fail to see the leftist logic here.
The company reduced tree maintenance at the direction of the regulators.
Government owned electric utilities actually work quite well. But this plan isn’t that.
“ According to the Portland Press Herald, that means ratepayers would have to cover a $500 million annual debt service payment before they get a single watt of electricity.” I have no doubt a public utility would suck, but this comment makes no sense. The current ratepayers have to cover this now.
Is the state going to pay for the utilities assets or are they going to just take it over for free?
Eminent domain means pay for it at fair market value. (YMMV)
That’s where the debt service comes into play.
Because communism has worked so well whenever and wherever it has been tried?
History is a mystery to some.
Government owned electric utilities actually work quite well in most places. It is very upsetting to anti government ideologues.
“Don’t expect the result to be lower energy bills.”
Or reliable delivery.
“If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there’d be a shortage of sand.” Milton Friedman
Put the state government in charge of running your electric generation facilities, in 1 year you probably don’t have any electricity.
Publicly owned electric utilities consistently sell electricity to consumers at lower cost than investor owned utilities.
Not sure this one will, though. It looks like all they will do is to replace the top management and leave everything else in place.
The state will also borrow upwards of $13.5B to purchase the utilities. Paying that off will be passed on to the customers. For context, the Maine annual budget is about $8.7B.
He thinks the state can just take the property and equipment without compensation.
Okay, let’s exempt investor owned utilities from the exorbitant taxes that governments slap on them, which government owned utilities aren’t subject to, and a real apples to apples comparison will show the folly of your thinking.
So more corporate welfare!
Where’s Liz?
Monopolies always result lower prices, don’t they? On top of that government has shown to be lean and flexible to changing conditions. Yes seems like a clear win for Maine!
This would replace one set of monopolies with a single monopoly. But still a monopoly nevertheless.
“Power belongs in the hands of the people, not greedy corporations,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) declared in July when he endorsed a “yes” vote on the ballot question. “Instead of a private power system that last year sent $187 million in profits out of the country, Mainers can have cheaper, more reliable power—and help fight climate change at the same time.”
If the silly sack of shit plays his cards right, he’ll get another mansion for fucking off back to where he belongs, like the Democrats gave him in 2016 and 2020.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/24/bernie-sanders-millionaires-226982/
“Sanders has been impatient to the point of churlish when pressed about this. “I wrote a best-selling book,” he told the New York Times after he releasing the last 10 years of his tax returns. “If you write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too.” Asked on Fox News if this sort of success was “the definition of capitalism,” he bristled. “You know, I have a college degree,” he said.”
Bringing us back to the eternal question:
Is Bernie crazy and he actually believes what he’s saying, or is he a lying con-man who knows perfectly well that what he preaches is economic suicide for the rest of us?
He isn’t wrong on the advantages of publically owned electric utilities.
But they don’t pay taxes, so that’s problematic, right?
Last I checked an electric cooperative isn’t quite the same thing as a publicly owned corporation, but whatever I guess.
The facts say otherwise.
I challenge you to prove that statement.
lol…. Why it was completely predictable the real motive behind green energy was the government monopolizing all the people’s energy.
It’s amazing how dumb the left-voters can pretend to be.
Silly boy, electric transmission and distribution in most if not all of the US is already a monopoly. The people don’t have say; they just pay. It isn’t the people’s energy.
Now I happen to have service from a really great investor owned utility here in NYC. Almost never an outage and when there is one it gets restored quickly. But our rates are quite high. You may just get what you pay for.
If I am not mistaken a lot of NYC electrical lines are underground.
This is inherently more reliable than lines suspended in the air on poles.
Maine is the most forested state in the union and the least populated east of the Mississippi. Trees falling on lines during nor’easters. Longer distances between customers. Installing and maintaining power lines in rural, forested areas comes at a cost.
Love the Bernie as Emperor Palpatine graphic. How apropos!
“A plan to have the state take control of Maine’s two private electric utility firms has divided the political left.”
Literal socialism and people are divided on the issue?
How about those that want the state to take over anything move to a country that is already ripe with socialism rather than speeding the USA’s journey to socialism to be sooner than later.
I’ve said it before, I will pay for a one-way trip for Bernie to Venezuela on the condition that he escrows that amount in my name, to be forfeited to me if he ever sets foot in the US again.
I’m dead serious.
The proposal failed. Big victory for the Democratic Governor.
A victory for those of us that oppose socialism and the moonbats that pushed for this crap.
Passed, just barely in Portland (but not South Portland), Orono (no shock), Blue Hill and Brooklin, Bar Harbor and Mount Desert (but not Southwest Harbor or Tremont).
It’s nice when common sense wins for a change.