Trump, DeSantis, and Scott Want To Kick Out Foreign Students Who Protest Israel
Their proposal raises obvious free speech concerns.

In the weeks following Hamas' attacks in Israel and Israel's military response in Gaza, college students have launched protests on campuses across the United States. Some efforts, like the student group letter at Harvard University that held Israel "entirely responsible" for Hamas' siege, have drawn a huge backlash. Harvard has seen major donors withdrawing their financial support and executive board members stepping down over the protests.
Three Republican presidential candidates have not only expressed their opposition to the protests but have also voiced their desire to see certain protesters punished.
"As president, if you're on a student visa and you're a foreigner and you're out there celebrating terrorism, I'm canceling your visa and I'm sending you home," said Ron DeSantis at a campaign event last week. "We will revoke the student visas of radical anti-American and antisemitic foreigners at our colleges and universities," promised former President Donald Trump. "We will send them straight back home." Sen. Tim Scott (R–S.C.), likewise, said that "foreign national students on visas who are protesting against our ally Israel should be sent back to their country." (The DeSantis, Trump, and Scott campaigns did not respond to Reason's requests for comment by press time.)
The call isn't just limited to the 2024 GOP presidential candidates. Nineteen Republican House members have urged Biden administration officials to deport "foreign students who are in the U.S. on temporary visas and have expressed support for Hamas," according to Fox News. "They note that students on student visas can be disqualified under the Immigration and Nationality Act from being eligible for a visa if they endorse or espouse terror activity."
Hamas has committed grave atrocities against Israelis, and some stateside anti-Israel protesters have voiced truly objectionable and troubling views at demonstrations. But these protesters are still entitled to their First Amendment rights, and the candidates' proposal raises serious concerns about free speech and noncitizen civil liberties.
"If we want to protect free speech, we have to protect both the speech and the speaker," says Michael Kagan, a law professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV) and director of the UNLV Immigration Clinic. "The problem for immigrants is that we do protect the speech, but we leave the speaker vulnerable."
Kagan, an expert on the intersection of immigration law and free speech, notes that certain immigrants may be punished for their speech. Reno v. AADC (1999) "basically found that it would be extremely difficult for an immigrant to raise a selective prosecution defense against deportation," he notes. "Undocumented immigrants are always vulnerable to being deported, but the key question is, will they be targeted by the government for deportation?" Selective prosecution could defend them if they can show that the government is trying to deport them only on the grounds of their political speech, but Reno "makes that a very difficult defense to raise."
The Supreme Court "has at least twice said that the First Amendment applies to non-citizens in the country," Kagan wrote in a 2015 article for the California Law Review, but "no Supreme Court case has squarely reached the question of whether free speech rights apply to immigrants that entered unlawfully." The situation might not be clear-cut for foreign student protesters either. Kagan argues that foreign students who are here legally may still be vulnerable on the grounds of their speech: They often need their visas to be renewed, which means "there's a lot more discretion involved in when [their visas] could be canceled."
The GOP candidates haven't narrowly defined who they favor sending home. They haven't specified who, exactly, qualifies as people who are "celebrating terrorism" or are "radical anti-American and antisemitic foreigners," the people DeSantis and Trump singled out last week. Scott favors booting an ostensibly broader category—student visa holders who are "protesting against our ally Israel." This would seem to include more than just the extreme end of anti-Israel protesters and more than the people explicitly calling for violence. It would be deeply problematic for a U.S. president to have the power to kick out foreigners on such subjective grounds—a power that Republicans would no doubt oppose if wielded by Democrats.
What's more, "the Supreme Court has set forth very narrow exceptions to the First Amendment," says Joe Cohn, legislative and policy director at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. "For example, incitement to commit imminent acts of violence has been defined in Brandenburg v. Ohio and more recently refined in Counterman this last term. Simply expressing approval of violence is not the same as incitement."*
"People who are here lawfully, regardless of whether or not they are citizens, are here on student visas, or have permanent residence—they all enjoy the same First Amendment rights," Cohn continues. "It's good that elected officials and candidates for office are actively thinking about how to protect…students from antisemitism, but they have to use strategies that are constitutional to accomplish that important goal. Unfortunately, these proposals would not survive First Amendment scrutiny."
This isn't the only way candidates have proposed targeting immigrants and other noncitizens on ideological grounds. If elected, Trump says he would "implement strong ideological screening for all immigrants" and "aggressively deport resident aliens with jihadist sympathies." He also says that foreigners who don't believe in Israel's right to exist wouldn't be allowed to enter the country.
There are obvious civil liberties problems with the candidates' call to revoke the visas of foreign student protesters—but they're doubly disappointing since they illustrate an unwillingness to encounter contentious ideas. "The statements I've seen from these candidates are not talking about someone who's actually giving material support to terrorists, they're just expressing an opinion that they disagree with," says Kagan.
"The usual American response to that is supposed to be, 'Then explain why you disagree,'" he continues. "To throw them out of the country is essentially to repress and silence people and to send the message to others, 'Don't speak. Don't raise your voice.'"
*CORRECTION: Joe Cohn's quote has been corrected to reflect his reference to Counterman v. Colorado.
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>>But these protesters are still entitled to their First Amendment rights
kinda with you overall but are foreigners on visas as protected as you or I?
"kinda with you overall but are foreigners on visas as protected as you or I?"
It would depend on the individual involved:
If the person has been in the USA and active enough in society -- including friendships, business dealing, and other things, to be considered as part of "the people," then yes. Or so says SCOTUS.
If it was someone who just arrived here last week, and has no family here, then maybe not.
It is dependent on the terms if the visa. They were granted a visa on those terms.
That could be a factor, as well.
There is a huge "GAS THE JEWS" movement which has erupted in the American liberal / progressive / democrat / center faction. Reason Magazine is now embracing the "Gas The Jews" faction.
This is a very bad development.
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By definition not the liberal nor centre faction.
Not Classic Liberal... but yes, very centrist faction now.
Simply wrong. Or is Biden a rightist? That logically follows from your bizarre and peculiar definition of centrist.
Listen you lying cunt. I am not Shrike and I appended the 2 because of someone's spoofing – and that someone was spoofing accounts was confirmed by others. Just because some white grievance cunt here thought I was shrike and some of his fuck buddies went along with it – “proof by assertion”- doesn’t make it true. I provided more than enough proof of my English origin credentials but apparently some of you, including you specifically, are either too fucking stupid or too fucking dishonest to accept it.
I have never argued “that racism can only be right wing, therefore all racism is right wing” – because I don’t believe it to be true. There are racists on both left and right. On this forum, though, right-wing racists are far more prevalent.
The Jews are killing innocent people and stealing their land, and have for a very long time. I don't even understand how any libertarian can encourage American involvement in these conflicts thousands of miles away via government theft, particularly when your average-income American can no longer afford to purchase a home and the economy seems destined for the toilet.
I’m sorry, but if you ask the ancient Egyptians and Romans, I’m pretty sure they’d call BS on your “the Jews are stealing our land” claim there. Check any non-Muslim historical text and you’ll find that they all say Israel = land of the Jews. As for the innocent people, who announced that they would be bombing the area and told the residents where would be safe to evacuate? Oh right! Those “evil, blood-thirsty” Jews. The Jews in Israel are the most considerate warriors this world has ever known. As your people say, they love life almost as much as yours love death. Get bent gaslighter!
Is it “encouraging American involvement” to get out of Israel’s way?
Seems Muslims stole the land from Jews initially.
If you're going to play "I have historical rights to the land", you do not get to arbitrarily choose the cut-off point in history.
Not only should they be kicked out, but every person, including those in congress, that goes against our American values. We have to get back to a common country of American morals. We have to pledge allegiance, allow Americans their amendment rights, including praying in school and guns to protect themselves, punishing criminals, and making immigrants assimilate. We also have to make sure we make Civics, real history with NO whitewashing, math, real science, English, and government mandatory in ALL grades! No more kowtowing to political correctness, waving other countries flags, and not speaking English. Speak all you want to in private or to friends, but we need to make everything in English! No more pressing 1 or 2 for another language. We have to respect the damn country or we WILL lose her!! And no, I'm not a white person saying this!
Amen! Those foreigners have to learn to assimilate to True American Values. Like speaking English, buying guns, praying in schools to Jesus, and voting for Republicans. If foreigners aren't willing to do that, then they can go elsewhere.
Poor, poor Sarc.
What is the matter? Aren't you also upset with having to press 1 for English all the time? Why can't those damn foreigners learn English and stop making us press 1 on the phone all the time?
You should really look into AA sarc.
AA told him to fuck off.
AA told him they don't work miracles.
And the retard again retreats to standard racism because he can't form a cogent argument.
I speak Spanish dumbass. So does most of my family. God damn youre dumb.
Either try harder or give this a rest because this is fucking lame.
Meaningless point of order:
These days, in my experience, English is the default; it's usually "para español, marque nueve/numero dos."
He’s been butt-chugging rotgut again.
Just terrible parody sarc. Can you even attempt to understand my argument. I just made it 2 posts above dumbass.
It is dependent on the terms of their visa. USSC has already stated not every right extends to every foreigner on the planet. If the visa doesn’t have a clause for agitation then let them stay. If it does kick them out.
Those who come here on visas should abide by the terms they agreed to.
Brother, I have to disagree with you here. The activist librul USSC of the past has granted too many rights to foreigners. We True Libertarians understand that foreigners don't have rights and they should be kicked out of the country for refusing to act sufficiently American. Like speaking English, praying to Jesus or supporting Republicans.
"Like speaking English, praying to Jesus or supporting Republicans."
Yeah, this isn't sarc. Sarc doesn't have that tone of bitter anger when invoking religion, but Jeff, Mike and Shrike do.
Please stop drinking so much.
Rag head Omar lied to get in the country.
Her and her family should be deported back to Somalia where they will rightfully be killed.
Deception isn't something I associate with Reason.
They are supporting HAMAS, a designated terrorist group. Non-citizens are restricted in regard to such activities. Simple, no?
Intellectual dishonesty has been the stock in trade of the writers at Reason for quite some time.
Libertarians value rights, they also understand consequenxes.
Meanwhile the progressitarians wield them to suit their preffered outcomes.
Public support for murderous hostage taking terrorist SHOULD get your visa revoked.
How is Reason supporting Hamas? Give specific examples, please.
Yes they have 1st amendment "rights".
And we have the "right" to revoke any visa at any time for any reason.
So this is not an issue of "rights".
Now I think we should err on the side of liberalism when comes to student visas. But if dealing with anti-democratic, anti-secular, anti-Jewish to the point of making Hitler blush, anti-gay, anti-women, anti- basically everything freedom loving people stand for. I say we assert our "right" to tell these backwards bleeps to live their backwards views in their backwards countries.
They shouldn’t be as protected. The Bill of Rights should not apply to foreigners the same as citizens. I’m not suggesting that foreigners have no protection. Just not the same as American citizens.
One issue that is not being addressed is how to deal with people whose world view permits, or even encourages, them to kill other people who do not agree with their world view -- specifically, people who can be accurately identified as "Islamists" (as opposed to "Muslims" generally). These people will never assimilate in America, or anywhere else for that matter, because anyone who is not an Islamist (and that includes other Muslims, as the Islamists do not consider non-Islamists to be Muslims) needs to be re-educated or killed, once Islamists have the power to do those things.
In today's America, Islamists are not shunned, but are invited to the White House (CAIR is one example), particularly among Democrats (though, anecdotally, there appears to be some indications of a marriage of convenience between Islamists and those rightists who oppose the current leftist enthusiasm for special rights being granted to allegedly "oppressed" people, such as gays and transsexuals), and they do not cause great physical problems (their philosophical influence via attracting adherents among criminals and the like IS a problem) because their political power thus far is limited. However, the next step, as has occurred in other Western countries with a greater proportion of Islamists (a primary example being France), is to create no-go zones, where the Islamist version of Sharia is all powerful and the police fear to go -- and from which political riots and murders are exported to the areas outside the no-go zones.
DONNIE DON'T LIKE NO FREE SPEECH!
Let them say there are only two sexes and see what happens.
To think you were just defending the sentencing of Mackey over a meme. Good ole days.
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What was Stalin's first name??
Visa revocation - don't leave home.
I can’t do whatever I want in a foreign country?
You’re an American, aren’t you? You can do anything!
No, that’s too 1955 an attitude. Or 1990.
You used to be armed, free thinking, unbiased, proud, self-dependent, hard working and always smart and right.
You were an American.
Now you're just an american welfare rat.
Just like the animals in europe and the rest of the world.
All because you couldn't stop pulling the lever for more welfare.
Shut up shrike
VULGAR MADman would appear to be addicted to free government cheese......
Wanting his owners to give him a free ride.
Never willing to work for his / her own survival.
Always living from a trash bin.
Always willing to trade his/her/him/he-she vote for free "stuff".
Always wanting everything for free.
Always wanting prisoner rights.
Always groveling at the feet of the welfare distributors.
The welfare distributors hand out "free" things.
Vulgar MADman slob wants it all.
Free cheese.
Free substandard healthcare.
Free hovels to live in.
Free heroin.
Takes money from mommy's purse.
Wants free tv.
Is EXTREMELY OVERWEIGHT and Flabby.
Vulgar MADman hates Jews and love Chuck-U-Schumer.
Vulgar MADman loves Biden and Xi.
Vulgar MADman loves CBS news.
Free 3 hots & a cot.
Free "hey you're really not a loser" psychopath therapy.
You do know, that we recognize who you are dipshit?
He’s too distracted by the Disney Channel to notice.
Are ethnostates ok or not ok?
Wrong question.
Even an ethnostate has the right to defend itself, even if you wouldn't hold out that state an an ideal to be replicated in one's own country.
Are ethnostates ok or not?
They're just fine - as long as the ethnicity in question isn't some form of "White".
If it’s politically necessary, anyone can be white.
Why did Biden sell off most of the United States Strategic Petroleum Reserve right before he started World War III?
“OK” or not, the existence of an ethnostate is not an excuse for terrorism or aggression.
If you mean the culture and laws associated with the initial, English-speaking immigrants should be promoted – well, I think that’s good, and not an ethnostate. But closing the door on good candidates for immigration just because they’re the wrong complexion or ancestry, that’s an ethnostate and it’s bad.
If you mean the people already in a country get to set criteria for which new people get to immigrate (naturalized citizens must uphold the principles of the Constitution, for instance, and there’s no reason the same can’t be demanded of immigrants in general), then that’s not an ethnostate to me.
It wouldn’t even be an ethnostate if we focus more on immigrants’ skills and potential as Americans than on whether they’ve got a cousin in the USA.
Nor would it be an ethnostate to have fewer and better-chosen immigrants than we have now.
But if you’re talking about the old naturalization laws and the requirement that naturalized citizens be white, that *would* be an ethnostate and *not* OK.
Or if (Lord forbid) we discriminate against citizens *already here,* we’ve been down that road and should avoid that route in future, no matter who is doing the discriminating. If that’s an ethnostate then you can forget about ethnostates.
So I guess the question is whether some ethnos are going to screw the other ethnos, or whether we’re all in this together.
Am I insufficiently based? Should I bring out my tie-died T-shirt and bong?
"But if you’re talking about the old naturalization laws and the requirement that naturalized citizens be white, that *would* be an ethnostate and *not* OK.
Or if (Lord forbid) we discriminate against citizens *already here,* we’ve been down that road and should avoid that route in future, no matter who is doing the discriminating. If that’s an ethnostate then you can forget about ethnostates."
Antisemitism!
"we’re all in this together."
Heard that before...
The Zionist project has its own history, distinct from the U. S., and even if you reject that project as a model for others, that doesn't justify aggression or terrorism against Israel.
And if we didn’t have race to fight about in the U. S., we’d fight about something else.
Are ethnostates ok or not?
Depends on the ethnos.
Seems to be
Ethnostates are bad because even blacks can be Republicans.
Okay. This may be shrike with the open racism of claiming all blacks belong to the DNC.
Yeah, I'm 75% sure it's Shrike, it could be Jeff but the topics touch on Pluggo's bugbears more.
Sure? Why the fuck should I care?
Easiest solution: Send them to Gaza to practice their free speech.
I’m pretty sure “Kill the Jews” is protected speech in Gaza.
Indeed. Plus, the Palestinians who love them are loosing human shields faster than can be replenished. Win-win for the protesters.
Nice. Thank you.
Just claim they are spreading misinformation.
Yeah. Foreign *and* you have a Facebook page? Back to Russia with you!
https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1716924609600368776?t=fTTYx1SsVq1GBIMdo9NjVA&s=19
The US has 4 THAAD batteries and 50 Patriot Batteries available, so the new deployments to the middle east represent roughly a quarter of American ground based missile defense assets.
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Trump, DeSantis, and Scott Want To Kick Out Foreign Students Who Protest Israel
OK, ship them to Martha's Vineyard.
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1716933924171981080?t=MrmED8cpPao9IObIQSu-tw&s=19
U.S. Central Command has now announced that 24 American Servicemen were Wounded on October 18th as a result of a Drone Attack on Al-Tanf Military Base in Southeastern Syria which caused 20 Injuries, followed by a Second Drone Attack that same night on Al-Asad Airbase in Western Iraq which caused 4 Injuries and the Destruction of an Aircraft Hanger containing a Small Plane; the 24 U.S. Servicemembers have all since Returned to Active Duty.
For like the umpteenth time (Reason seems to be deliberately playing dumb on this), they aren't just protesting Israel.
They are explicitly celebrating and calling for actual violence against Jews
Saying Palestinians should have a state is fine. Saying Jews should be raped, murdered, and beheaded is not. It's calling for violence. And that crosses the line.
It's not a joke or rhetorical like a certain remark about a woodchipper. No one was actually going to put a judge in a woodchipper. Yet Hamas exists only to kill Jews. They do it basically every chance they get.
Take it down a notch, it's not like they're disrupting an official proceeding.
Can we also add, just cause this refrain is so tiresome: There are no civil rights issues at play. Nor "rights" of any kind. Foreigners are here as a priviledge.
I think you're missing the point. Some of the Republican candidates for President (Scott, for example) want to deport anyone that just criticizes Israel, not just the ones supporting Hamas.
Scott is a nonstarter and should not be cited.
On the other hand, supporting Ukrainian neo-Nazis who commit terrorist attacks against civilians isn't just allowed, it's practically mandatory.
Because free speech is so important, we must regulate it.
To make amends, Alexa should provide friendly travel advice to people earnestly opposed to the occupation of Gaza to travel there and surrender themselves to Hamas as hostages.
Also,
Mr.Blnr. Jeff Bezos needs to make up his own pronoun/gender/title and insist Mrs. Klobuchar respect it.We should deport them all. They have no rights here. I cannot fathom how we tolerate their anti-semitism, their medieval views on women's rights, and their religious intolerance,. They go against the core values of this country. Gaza started this war in an orgy of unprecedented violence. We should not give them a dime, nor should we do anything to help them.
Amen! We libertarians understand that foreigners don't have rights. They can spread their bile elsewhere. Just like in this morning's discussion, we should demand that the only people who are allowed to come to this country are ones who reflect True American Values like voting for Republicans.
You really should seek help for your alcoholism sarc.
Vulgar MADman likes to chop off Jewish baby heads.
It's just what he likes....
Don't hate him for it.
You see VULGAR MADman is a democrat/republican.
This easily explains him to the core.
I mean really sarc, I don’t want you to die.
You sure that isn't misek?
All youre proving is that you're an idiot sarc/shrike.
I don't think it's sarc. Too coherent.
The mob with pitchforks and torches is out there demanding blood. The Democrats' response is to spend the mob's money on bombs supplied by cronies to blow people up. The Republicans' is to do something the US government actually has legal authority to do and is nonviolent: to kick some people out of the country who were there temporarily anyway. I know what my choice of these would be to appease the mob.
I'm a liberatarian. But am growing weary of Reason on their immigration hot takes.
As a True Libertarian who normally loves Trump, I must however be critical of him in this matter. He doesn't go far enough. If you are a student receiving federal financial aid, citizen or not, and you protest Israel, you should lose your financial aid. No student is entitled to government financial aid anyway, those terrorist-sympathizers can pay their own way through college if they want. Why should my taxpayer dollars go to fund some terrorist lover? That is what Trump should have proposed.
Put the damn bottle down, you goddamn alky.
It would be amusing if he was intelligent enough to understand an argument to parody it. But all he has in inferences of racism and cult of personality. More like shrikes God worship of Soros and belief all minorities are owned by dems. Then again saec has also claimed anyone against his Ideas! Regarding open borders are racist. Who cares. Both are utter morons.
Brother, I am shocked. You are okay with your taxpayer dollars going to support the financial aid of anti-American college students protesting against Israel? Trump stands with Israel and I stand with Trump. Who do you stand with, Trump or the enemy?
I dunno about "standing" but I lay with your mom.
https://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1716803345338224840?t=SvUOJBWU7Z8D5Iw2e7AjMw&s=19
It's a shame that it's taken a conflict in the Middle East to make people think seriously about the consequences of mass immigration and not, say, the targeted rape of thousands of white girls by immigrants over a period of decades.
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The governments of the west hate white people.
True.
These racists are identified as all of the democrats and many of the republicans.
Why did Biden sell off most of the United States Petroleum Reserve right before he started World War III?
Because he's a braindead moron and the people with their hand up his ass using him as a puppet are traitors?
Because he wants to destroy the us
Bingo.
It's always amazing to me how often I see some form of the word "entitlement" on a (allegedly) libertarian-leaning website.
If I invite you to stay in my guest house, are you entitled to redecorate it as you see fit, in keeping with whatever it is you'd like to express about yourself? Do you get to do whatever you want within its walls with zero accountability or responsibility?
Or, when I catch you doing things in my guest house that I don't like, am I the entitled one? Entitled to boot your ass out and warn you against coming back?
A student visa isn't American Citizenship. You are a guest in our house. Conduct yourself accordingly, or be shown the door.
Exactly.
This article is just another evidence exhibit demonstrating how the proggresives st Reason use libertarian principles as a stalking horse for the left.
Free speech for me but not for thee.
Demagogues gotta demagogue.
Were the writer of this piece honest they could have argued against the need for visas.
But to somehow elide the fact that visas are conditional permission to be present here for a maximum prescribed limit of time is dishonest.
“There are obvious civil liberties problems with the candidates’ call to revoke the visas of foreign student protesters—but they’re doubly disappointing since they illustrate an unwillingness to encounter contentious ideas”
1. No foreigner has the “right” to get a student visa. You can–and I WOULD–argue student visas are great things. BUT THEY ARE NOT RIGHTS!! I hope the all caps finally drives that home. BTW, do we let Iranians register for English 101 at USC, no questions asked? No. So drop this “rights” fiction.
2. I hate to trot out the old Nazi/Klan what-if’s but….We are not obligated to do Oxford-style debates with all comers. We can’t kick out homegrown Nazi’s, but we can with foreigners who think like Nazis. So, no holdups. The process for dealing with intellectual and moral scum who have zero rights to be here is to point a finger at the boarding gate. No other hoops need be jumped through.
Amen! The America-hating filth need to be shown the door! As usual Trump is right! He is the most libertarian president ever!
You are so bad at this.
The author keeps using the word immigrants to describe student visa holders. Student visa holders are not immigrants. Some may eventually apply for a residency visa and then become an immigrant, however, while they remain on a student visa, they're guests, little different than someone on a travel visa or a work visa. They're here temporarily for a specific purpose that is not immigration. They are foreign guests who have been granted a privilege to visit the US for a specific purpose, education. As such, they have far fewer protections, and are expected to live by a certain standard, while on these temporary visas. They are not immigrants. They have not even entered the immigration process. They are foreigners, who are only here on the auspices of the government. As such, the government has much greater leeway to rescind these visas. Their conduct can be a reason to rescind their visas. Rather this is right or wrong is beside the point, the author is wrong because they're conflating two separate things, immigration and temporary visas.
If Reason wasn’t conflating, they wouldn’t be talking about immigration.
Fiona is even more disingenuous than Shika. Quite a feat.
They are all simply writing what they are paid to write.
Authorship rests with their paymasters.
I say kick out all foreign students? I mean, is there any reason we need to educate the world? Let them educate themselves. We should focus our resources on helping our own people
I would cancel every single Chinese student visa on general principle. They're here to infiltrate and sabotage. If they happen to pick up a degree along the way, that's just part of the cover.
1. Illegal immigrants espousing such views? No turning a blind eye.
2. Visa holders? If they're not obviously providing genuine support for Hamas, rather than mere speech, then let them speak so that they can be identified - exposed and debated and argued with (to the extent they're ever open to debate). Perhaps they will face the same fate as Ryna Workman, who had its job offer rescinded (though it's a citizen). But depending on the nature of that speech there may be probable cause for a search or a wiretap - which would be completely constitutional.
This isn't even a complicated moral issue. Visas are privileges. Foreign nationals have human rights but they don't have US civil liberties like free speech. It's 100% at our discretion what rights we choose to give them. This is also true for the palestinians. They were conquered in war and only have the rights the Israelis want to give them. This is true of native americans, like it is true of the Chinese in Malaysia. This has been the rule throughout all of history and it will not change.
Love the speech, hate the speaker.
Trump, DeSantis and Biden walk into a bar...
Trump gets a mineral water, while DeSantis and Biden have Sex on the Beach.
To quote P.J. O'Rourke on a similar subject, "deporting the supporters of Hamas isn't going to spill any beer down at the VFW."
"Trump, DeSantis, and Scott Want To Kick Foreign Students Who Protest Israel"
Right in the nads.
I might go for that.
“Their proposal raises obvious free speech concerns.” Well, yeah..but having those folks here raises some major concerns too! On a more serious note, there’s room for greater nuance. Peaceful protest for individuals who are not affiliated with proscribed terrorist organizations should not be repatriated to their country of origin. But it’s a different story for students whose protests involve violence or clear incidents of harassment or intimidation, or that disrupt or interfere with the protected speech of others students.
And let’s be very clear: the various “pro-Palestinian” students groups have a well-earned national reputation for conducting themselves like a bunch of brownshirts. I see nothing wrong with putting the foreign students in their ranks on notice, as long as domestic students face consequences for similar behavior.
bhai
I am all for free speech, but is that really the entire issue here? It also seems there is a question as to who may be granted permission to enter the U.S., either temporarily or permanently. I do not think it is in the interests of Americans to permit entry (or allow to stay) anti-liberal (in the classical sense), pro-terrorist individuals. A look at the circumstances in certain European countries appears to demonstrate this.