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Middle East

Unimaginable Force

Plus: Speech-punisher Ron DeSantis, Javier Milei update, and more…

Liz Wolfe | 10.23.2023 9:32 AM

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34 trucks: Over the weekend, 34 trucks from an aid convoy entered Gaza via the Rafah border crossing, which had been the subject of negotiations for the last week between Egypt, Israel, and the U.S.

The humanitarian crisis in Gaza remains dire, with little electricity, food, and water available. Doctors are using "clothes for bandages, vinegar for antiseptic, sewing needles for surgical ones," reports the Associated Press. Al Shifa Hospital, which generally has the capacity to care for about 700 patients, is treating more than 5,000. Patients are crammed into hospital corridors, with so few beds available. Aid workers say hundreds of trucks carrying supplies are needed, not dozens. 

Israel battered Gaza with airstrikes over the weekend, killing many hundreds, but keeps delaying a ground invasion, partially at the urging of the United States.

Meanwhile, two Israeli-American hostages taken from Kibbutz Nahal Oz were released by Hamas. The terrorist group is still holding at least 10 other Americans, and the total hostage count has been updated to 222. (Qatar, which has a substantial U.S. military presence and also has a history of supporting Hamas, helped broker the deal; The Economist suggests that the country is "scrambling to show that it can still be useful to America.")

Fighting has ramped up in the north, where the Israeli army is evacuating more than 100,000 people due to fears of Hezbollah strikes. Another 100,000 have voluntarily relocated away from the region. The Iran-backed Hezbollah would be making "the mistake of its life" if it decides to go after Israel beyond the strikes that have already been exchanged, said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over the weekend. "We will cripple it with unimaginable force."

DeSantis for speech suppression: "Some of these people are not U.S. citizens…so as president, if you're on a student visa and you're a foreigner and you're out there celebrating terrorism, I'm canceling your visa and I'm sending you home," said the presidential contender and Florida governor Ron DeSantis on Friday, referring to the recent wave of student speech that have at times veered into Hamas apologism.

Giving the middle finger to images of kidnapped children is vile, but DeSantis is still wrong to float this bad policy (which several others jockeying for GOP votes have also gestured at). It is one thing to prosecute actual terroristic threats and actions, but punishing students for political speech would be a clear-cut First Amendment violation and would set a chilling precedent. DeSantis, unfortunately, has a penchant for punishing speech he personally dislikes.

One perk of free-speech maximalism is that it allows people with odious beliefs to show you who they are. You then get to make decisions as to who you associate with and who you care to listen to based on that. 

A different type of war: Three weeks ago, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) was ousted by the far-right flank of his own party (in conjunction with a bunch of Democrats), partly over lack of substantial spending cuts and partly over long-festering animus toward the unpopular California congressman. Since then, Republicans have repeatedly failed to elect a new speaker. Now nine Republicans are throwing their hats in the ring.

Reps. Tom Emmer (R–Minn.), Mike Johnson (R–La.), Jack Bergman (R–Mich.), Gary Palmer (R–Ala.), Byron Donalds (R–Fla.), Kevin Hern (R–Okla.), Dan Meuser (R–Pa.), Austin Scott (R–Ga.), and Pete Sessions (R–Texas) have all declared their intention to run. Today they'll make pitches to their colleagues in an attempt to secure votes. Internal elections are scheduled for tomorrow; if anyone emerges from that process, he could head to the House floor for a full vote. 

"This is my tenth term in Congress. This is probably one of the most embarrassing things I've seen," Rep. Michael McCaul (R–Texas) told ABC this past weekend. "We're essentially shut down as a government." Of course, for libertarians who want to see more gridlock, the ongoing speaker battles—derailing near-guaranteed fiscal profligacy—may be more attractive. Still, the government is funded only until mid-November, so an actual budget for next year must be passed soon or else the government shuts down (and a shut-down government is kind of a misnomer, and it doesn't actually save us much money at all).


Scenes from New York: 

All boomers dress like toddlers dressing like adults now https://t.co/k7Ijr4fGja

— Anna Khachiyan (@annakhachiyan) October 18, 2023

Technically, this one is from the airport in Tel Aviv, but I cannot get over my governor's outfit (and bizarre world tour, ostensibly paid for by taxpayers like me).


QUICK HITS

  • "Oregon again says students don't need to prove mastery of reading, writing or math to graduate, citing harm to students of color," reports The Oregonian. Actually, eliminating standards doesn't help anyone succeed in the long run.
  • What does this even mean? Nothing good.

"I'm tired of talking about a Department of Defense. I want a Department of Offense," @NikkiHaley says in Cedar Rapids. pic.twitter.com/SMPkgsdfWa

— Natalie Allison (@natalie_allison) October 20, 2023

  • On Friday, the leaders of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates met for diplomatic talks in Riyadh. In the past, their relationship has been fraught due to "disagreements over their involvement in Yemen's civil war and how to handle Iranian aggression in the region," reports Bloomberg.
  • Ukrainian commandos are using jet skis to traverse the Black Sea to attack parts of Russian-held Crimea.
  • Argentine presidential contender (and libertarian) Javier Milei came in second place in yesterday's voting. This means he will head to the runoff elections in November, but it's looking less and less likely that he'll actually be elected.
  • "The 10-year Treasury yield crossed 5% for the first time in 16 years," reports Bloomberg, "propelled by expectations the Federal Reserve will maintain elevated interest rates and that the government will further boost bond sales to cover widening deficits."
  • ChatGPT maker OpenAI will likely soon be valued at $80 billion.
  • Possibly the most New York Timesy headline I have ever seen: "Climate change is keeping therapists up at night." I will save you some reading time: Every person described within is just as annoying as you're imagining, and yes, of course these consummate professionals live in the Pacific Northwest.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ChatGPT maker OpenAI will likely soon be valued at $80 billion.

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    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      The recent AI making terrible recipes for food should show people AI is still very flawed. The AI produced recipes using foods that don't even exist as an ingredient.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

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      2. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

        The AI produced recipes using foods that don’t even exist as an ingredient.

        A customer goes into a Soviet butcher shop and asks for a steak.
        Sorry,” the Butcher says, “no steak today.”
        “A beef roast instead then?”
        “Sorry no roast.”
        “Some pork chops perhaps? Or lamb chops?”
        “Maybe next week.”
        “Some hamburger. . . Bacon. . . Sausage?”
        “No, no, no. We are all sold out.”
        Finally the customer gives up & leaves. The Butcher’s young assistant asks, “What was that, some kind of crazy man?”
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  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Climate change is keeping therapists up at night.

    All the way to the bank.

    Um, the night bank.

    1. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

      I'm old enough to remember "future shock" from the 70's and 80's.
      Back then people were killing themselves because of the next ice age and global lack of resources.

      Fearmongering to give governments more power and nothing else.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        According to today's climate experts like Paul Ehrlich we were all supposed to starve to death in the 80s. I am sure they are right this time.

        1. Anomalous   2 years ago

          Paul Ehrlich received a Macarthur "genius" grant and has never been right on anything, ever.

          1. Minadin   2 years ago

            On the other hand, it's rare to see that level of consistency.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              Ehrlich's precise, but not accurate.

          2. Public Entelectual   2 years ago

            MacArthurs are an occupational hazard of coauthoring Sagan books . They gave another one to another nuclear winter coauthor before the bad modeling was rumbled by the editors of a journal Reason subscribers never read.

            It's called Climatic Change.

            How does Ehrlich make the cut for "today's climate experts" ?

            He's a 92 year old population biologist.

            1. Truthfulness   2 years ago (edited)

              He made predictions that people believed, and they didn’t happen.

        2. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

          Yep. "The Earth can only support 4 billion people" was something I remember being reported on frequently.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            You wish. The most accommodating number from the WEF crowd is more like 1 billion. And the Greens want no more than 100 million--and carefully chosen.

            1. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

              250 million is their stated goal. No overstatement to say that India, Nigeria and China would be hardest if they plan on making all populations equal.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                Equality has nothing to do with it. Haven't you heard of equity?

              2. Minadin   2 years ago

                I think that the USA still has just barely more people than Nigeria. In about 11x the land area.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  The US has over 100 million more than Nigeria.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population

                  US - 335,552,000
                  Nigeria - 216,783,400

                  1. Minadin   2 years ago

                    Huh, I would have thought it was a lot more with all of those princes.

                  2. Overt   2 years ago

                    However Nigeria is on track to have more population than China by the end of the Century. One of the few countries still having enough babies to replace population.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      The bigger question is, how fast does China's population collapse? I've seen projections of less than 800 million by 2100, maybe even less. When all is said and done, it'll be the St Louis or Cleveland of countries, losing most of its population from its peak (1.4 billion currently). The repercussions from this aren't good.

                    2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

                      @InsaneTrollLogic:

                      A different worry with China is the excess of males from the one child policy. What does one do with all those angry young males who can't get laid regularly or start a family?

                    3. Minadin   2 years ago

                      It's already kind of heading that direction - They have entire 'ghost cities' where they built up entire towns and no one moved in.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

              The most accommodating number from the WEF crowd is more like 1 billion.

              That’s been a presumption of the globalist crowd for a long time. I was literally told that by my 8th-grade science teacher back in the late 80s.

          2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

            He would have been correct if only things were much worse.

            - Sam Harris (probably)

        3. SRG2   2 years ago

          Ehrlich is not a climate expert.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            But he played a food expert on TV. Yet, I strongly suspect Ehrlich didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

            1. SRG2   2 years ago

              People love promoting an incorrect expert from the other side as though that person is the sole spokesman for the other side's position. Thus with Ehrlich.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                Also see:

                THE EARTH IS FREEZING ! from 50 years ago.

                They trot that guy out all the time.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  Don't you have a child unattended somewhere in your mom's basement?

              2. DesigNate   2 years ago

                Maybe they shouldn’t hold themselves up to be that spokesperson. Maybe they shouldn’t continue to be cited by people decades after being humiliated in their predictions.

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  Michael Mann isn't exactly better. But dems will continue to treat them as experts.

                  1. Public Entelectual   2 years ago

                    Jesse's favorite climate expert is an honorary Tombstone Arizona Deputy Sheriff who blames global warming on underwater volcanoes .

                    https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2023/02/its-still-underwater-volcanoes-all-way.html

                    1. R Mac   2 years ago

                      Nobody’s clicking your stupid link.

                    2. DesigNate   2 years ago

                      You’re almost as big an idiot as shrike and no one is going to click your fraud link.

          2. Square = Circle   2 years ago

            Ehrlich is not a climate expert.

            Nobody is.

            1. Dillinger   2 years ago

              mom nature?

          3. markm23   2 years ago

            And he's terrible at whatever it is he's supposed to be an expert in.

        4. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago (edited)

          According to Erlich the world was supposed to end before I was even born. After this long, I am skeptical of predictions from that corner.

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      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

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    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Left bank?

    3. Public Entelectual   2 years ago (edited)

      in Brooklyn, the right bank is still drying out after the last coastal flooding.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        When is the rapture?

        1. Public Entelectual   2 years ago

          It will come as soon as Argentina resurrects its currency from the dead.

  3. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

    DeSantis for speech suppression: "Some of these people are not U.S. citizens…so as president, if you're on a student visa and you're a foreigner and you're out there celebrating terrorism, I'm canceling your visa and I'm sending you home

    I don't see anything wrong with sending foreigners home for supporting terrorism. This includes members of congress.

    1. Anomalous   2 years ago

      +++

    2. Nardz   2 years ago

      Notably, Reason had no issue whatsoever with DeSantis signing a hate speech law for Florida while in Israel last year.

      1. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Yes they did. They did a full article dumping on him about it.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          Just one?

          1. DesigNate   2 years ago

            I’ll see if I can track it down. It was at least one.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Careful. SQRLSY will accuse you of Trump worship.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        I know Halloween is right around the corner, but we don't need to summon the shit-eating squirrel.

    4. Nobartium   2 years ago

      It doesn't even have to be about terrorism. Visas are issued at will, and can be retracted on the same grounds.

      That humans have rights is immaterial to whether or not they can be in any given country.

    5. R Mac   2 years ago

      I’d be curious if there is any language that the students agree to certain behaviors while in the US when they are granted the visa? Because if there is, supporting terrorists probably qualifies.

    6. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      You then get to make decisions as to who you associate with and who you care to listen to based on that.

      Isn't that what DeSantis is proposing?

  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...punishing students for political speech would be a clear-cut First Amendment violation and would set a chilling precedent.

    Threatening to kick out guests who are pissing on your rug is probably a good campaign promise, though.

    1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      That rug *did* tie the room together.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Fuck it, Dude. Let's go bowling.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Well that's just like your opinion man.

        1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

          Let me get this straight, every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair country, the citizens have to tolerate the non-citizen, terrorist-sympathizers?

          1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

            I mean say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, dude, at least it’s an ethos.

      3. Dillinger   2 years ago

        nice marmot.

  5. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago (edited)

    Liz, the US needs to stop being nice to the animals that hate us. If they say they support the murder and rape of children, then they need to be sent back.

    1. Anomalous   2 years ago

      Citizens here enjoy certain rights that non-citizens do not.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

        Because those new laws won't ever be used against citizens, just terrorists who protest at school board meetings.

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago (edited)

          Correct the doj is a stazi style political police force. They actively violate the constitution to go after political opponents and not a single other gov institution is doing anything to stop it.

          How will deporting noncitizes who hate us change that?

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

            Whose us (most of the vile is directed at Israel)? What is the definition of hate? And what good can come of giving the stazi more power?

            Sorry but stupid vile despicable messages on the internet is not something I want the government regulating. Now if one of these non citizens or citizens violates current US law by sending material aid to a named terrorist organization than yes, prosecute them.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

              His point was the FBI walked into a Utah home and shot a guy for posting vile posts online. He was a US citizen. How does not deporting people help citizens already under attack for speech? Mackey got 7 months for a meme. He does not deporting help citizens?

              Those on green cards and visas abide by different expectations. Why they can lose visas and green cards for committing crimes. It is a condition on the visa.

              1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

                Why they can lose visas and green cards for committing crimes.

                They can, hence my mention of providing material support. But posting a message does not fall into that, nor should it.

                For example outside of this issue, should Yeonmi Park be eligible for removal after slamming the woke left for their communist beliefs? They would argue she hates them (Americans).

                And my greater fear for the last decade is European hate speach laws coming to America. So under no circumstances should people be punished for their speech (except in the case of fraud or imminent threat, etc...).

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  So let's take the example of the Capitol Grounds. Currently it is not allowed to protest in the rotunda, do 300 were arrested. Would you be fine with canceling visas for those who violated those laws?

                  And just like I dont support the CIA using intelligence warfare to foment strife in other countries, I am very wary of other countries doing so here. The Copernicus Institute are a good example of this.

                  1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

                    They were presumably guilty of trespass, and if a trespass verdict is a stated visa removal crime; I've no problem with that to a certain extent (don't want people removed for 5 over the speed limit). But they performed an illegal action, not just speaking vile thoughts.

                2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  I should also point out foreign nations are banned from sponsoring candidates directly. So the country has already determined foreigners have less rights in regards to a political context than citizens do.

                  1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

                    See Jeb, 4 hours ago below. Sums my thoughts well enough.

            2. BigT   2 years ago

              Now if one of these non citizens or citizens violates current US law by sending material aid to a named terrorist organization than yes, prosecute them.

              Does sending a fresh $100 mil to Gaza on top of $6 bn count?

              SloJo gotta go!!!

        2. mad.casual   2 years ago

          This isn't even "Whataboutism", it's like "This other thing that happened that half-refutes, half-supports your point"-ism.

      2. Zeb   2 years ago

        That is true, but mostly for what you might call political rights or privileges of citizenship (I would argue that all "rights" that only apply to citizens are not in fact rights but privileges of citizenship, e.g. voting). But the real fundamental rights, including most of the BOR apply to everyone since they are restrictions on government.

        1. BYODB   2 years ago

          This is true, although one notes that people who are here under a student visa do not have a right to remain in the United States either. A citizen can't be deported, but foreign nationals can.

          When a group of people tell you who they really are, one should probably listen.

          1. Zeb   2 years ago

            Sure, there are probably things that should get them kicked out. But I think we need to be careful. I don't think it's a good thing to have student visas dependent on taking the right political positions. Calling explicitly for violence and death is something else. And perhaps spending your time at college doing activism instead of actual academic work should be a disqualifier too if the point of the visa is for education.

            1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

              "Sure, there are probably things that should get them kicked out. But I think we need to be careful."

              i think this is where i fall on this one, too. i don't want them here spreading hate, but the notion of supporting hate and violence can get very subjective very quickly. and there are always those in power who will seek to stretch it far beyond reason. the call for deportations should be limited to actual crimes and not more subjective and abusable concepts.

            2. Nardz   2 years ago

              LOL at your continuing denial of reality

              1. Zeb   2 years ago

                I don't believe I made any claims about facts or reality.

            3. BYODB   2 years ago


              I don’t think it’s a good thing to have student visas dependent on taking the right political positions.

              Right, but is cleansing the world of the Jewish menace through outright murder a political position or is it something else?

              Note that, at least in my view, there are legitimate criticisms of Israel and then there are psycopathic murderous criticisms of Israel. Support for Hamas in particular would appear, at least to me, to be of the second variety.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    "This is my tenth term in Congress. This is probably one of the most embarrassing things I've seen," Rep. Michael McCaul (R–Texas) told ABC this past weekend. "We're essentially shut down as a government."

    Claiming that the House in disarray is akin to shutting down government is embarrassing.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      I thought the adults were back in charge?

    2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      I'd say that Republicans trying to hold themselves accountable to promises to cut spending and quit making under-the-table deals with Democrats when it comes to spending increases is one of the least embarrassing things the Republican Party has done in the past decade. A shame Republican legislators don't see it that way.

      1. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Not even supposed libertarians see it that way.

    3. Minadin   2 years ago

      You know what's embarrassing? Being in Congress for over 20 years.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        "In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress."

  7. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

    Three weeks ago, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) was ousted by the far-right flank of his own party

    No it was the non uni party flank. A majority of the - r critters are America last rinos

    1. Zeb   2 years ago

      I think you might have too sunny a view of what a "real" Republican is.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    All boomers dress like toddlers dressing like adults now...

    At least they're no longer even pretending to be the metaphorical room's adults that they usually claim to be.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Oregon again says students don't need to prove mastery of reading, writing or math to graduate, citing harm to students of color...

    [insert gas pumping reference here]

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Ignorance is knowledge!

      1. Anomalous   2 years ago

        AND strength!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          And profit?

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

            Profit? I think you meant the Distribute of Wealth to the Proletariat, Comrade.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              So you agree it is profit to some people.

              1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

                I would never agree to say the quite part out loud. That's when you get shipped off to Siberia, if you're lucky.

                1. Minadin   2 years ago

                  It's not like ALL of the gulags were in Siberia, comrade.

                  Some of them were on Svalbard.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    Either way, you had to work hard to keep warm.

              2. Public Entelectual   2 years ago

                All your distribute are belong to us, and your pronouns too.

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      "Woke Board of Education or Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan?!"

      "Having academic standards means people of color won't graduate."

      1. markm23   2 years ago

        Don't you know the High School Diploma is magic? According to the American Left, it somehow conveys the ability to do the things you paid no attention to while in school, so withholding it just because one is illiterate, innumerate, and cannot find ones own city on a map is cruel and racist.

  10. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    Who cares what she is wearing? Why in the hell is the governor of New York in Israel?

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Padding her CV for a presidential run on the tax payers dime.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      We all know if hamas kidnaps her it will be labeled MAGSs fault, only later to find out 14 of the 17 involved were fbi.

      Haha I kid, but seriously I hope she dies over there

    3. Eeyore   2 years ago

      You have to seed the fruit of corruption early and often.

    4. VinniUSMC   2 years ago

      Who cares what she is wearing, regardless of where she is? There's no uniform.

      Governor of NY in Israel though, that is newsworthy. Why is a state officer going to Israel? Uncle Joe isn't up to snuff?

  11. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

    Turns out when it comes to Oregon, everything you need to know comes from the game Oregon trail... It is better to get dysintary and die than to be in Oregon

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Donner, party of 10..er, 8, er, 5, ...

    2. R Mac   2 years ago

      Terry is a girls name. *gets shot*

      You got killed by dissing Terry.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    I'm tired of talking about a Department of Defense. I want a Department of Offense

    Let's generate some scoring chances!

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Just for the record, it was established as the War Department.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Too honest.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

        Yeah, that statement of Haley’s shows just how fatuous the center-right has become and how ill-prepared they are to actually run the country. They’ve convinced themselves that there is this “vast middle” that can appealed to that supposedly “thirsts for normal,” in this question-begging construct that “normal” equates to a political landscape where their side acts as controlled opposition and remains content with whatever table scraps the left allows them to have. Haley represents an increasingly small constituency that still thinks this kind of chest-thumping has political cachet with the average US citizen.

        This despite the fact that military recruiting is at an all-time low, while the institution’s current leaders are actively discouraging its long-time warrior class, whose tradition of military service in many cases goes back to the American Revolution, from enlisting in favor chasing radical left-wing niche demographics that don’t even like this country in the first place, or are disillusioned by 20 years of failed military operations that sent their relatives home with PTSD or catastrophic injuries.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          What's also notable here is that Liz Cheney went on one of the political Sunday yak shows yesterday, complaining that Jim Jordan was representing Congressional members who "supported white supremacy and were anti-Semitic." The malicious, fork-tongued bitch notably avoided naming names, probably because she didn't want to have to back up her bullshit with receipts, but she knows her audience is primarily left-wingers now, and that's whom she's catering to with such rhetoric.

          That the press is trying to goad her into running for President demonstrates how out of touch these politicians are with their own party members.

          1. MT-Man   2 years ago

            Yeah I think when she came to this state, it emboldened her when she spoke in Missoula where she's not actually going to hear any complaints just people who can say they know a "good republican" they can get behind. Those aren't her voters but I don't think she realizes it...

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Yeah, same thing as when McCain ran--they're trying to appeal to factions that will never actually vote for them. Who in the fuck thinks anyone outside of maybe a few native Boomer Montanans in Missoula, or Bozeman for that matter, will actually vote for Haley? Missoula chose that dumb troon attention whore "Zooey Zephyr," aka Zac Raasch, who will never be a woman, as their state representative, for god's sake.

              1. Nardz   2 years ago

                Much like libertarians continuing to try to appeal to the social justice, addict advocate, alphabet crowd, and foreigners.

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      Does no one care about “complimentary football” anymore?

  13. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

    Argentine presidential contender (and libertarian) Javier Milei came in second place in yesterday's "fortified election"

    Ftfy

  14. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    For those in need of a good laugh:

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/liz-cheney-wont-rule-out-a-presidential-run

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      I haven’t ruled it out either.
      I could run.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        Your betting odds to win wouldn’t be much worse.

      2. markm23   2 years ago

        It has often surprised me that with many prominent politicians, in spite of all we know about them, their name recognition still gives them an advantage over a complete unknown.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      It's honestly pretty pathetic that GOPe politicians like Larry Hogan and Liz Cheney think they'd have a snowball's chance in hell of winning a national election as a Republican. Hogan actually threw away a chance to be a Senator, and he has no appeal outside of Maryland or the Beltway region. Cheney has John McCain energy at this point and wouldn't use a run for anything other than to line her pockets.

    3. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      As a Democrat?

  15. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Ukrainian commandos are using jet skis to traverse the Black Sea to attack parts of Russian-held Crimea.

    Okay but if they start water skiing behind a party boat over then I'm going to have to take those wild "fake war" claims under consideration.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Real boaters hate those jet ski guys.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      They really need the surf ninjas

      https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0108258/

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Sure it's not, Surf Nazis Must Die?

      2. MK Ultra   2 years ago

        Or skeet surfing

        https://youtu.be/8WFHnHYmmsY?si=y0KyML3Xy9YdYIIq

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

          “How Silly Can You Get”?

          /Now that's an underrated, very funny movie.

        2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

          Skeet surfing has a halarious origin.
          The writer had a running contest to see who could get people to believe the most outrageous thing. The other had to play along. So on a radio interview the host asked what they like to do in their spare time, and one of them said skeet surfing... They both keep going with the bit and the host bought it hook line and sinker

        3. Beezard   2 years ago (edited)

          Latrine!!!

          I love that feckin movie.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    This means he will head to the runoff elections in November, but it's looking less and less likely that he'll actually be elected.

    The biggest proof yet that he's a genuine libertarian.

  17. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    'Unimaginable Force'

    Joe Biden is the 'Unimaginable Farce’.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      Joe biden goes head to head with house Rinos.

      Finally we get to see what happens when a movable object meets a stoppable force

  18. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "Oregon again says students don't need to prove mastery of reading, writing or math to graduate, citing harm to students of color," reports The Oregonian.

    So what?

    chemjeff says race-obsessed leftism in American education is actually a good thing. What should really scare us, he insists, is anti-CRT parents.

    #RadicalIndividualistsForRacialCollectivism

    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago (edited)

      Actually chemjeff claims it’s the right who is racializing everything. Probably because it’s their fault for noticing this exact sort of thing.

  19. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    "DeSantis, unfortunately, has a penchant for punishing speech he personally dislikes."

    Wait, what? DeSantis is a democrat?!

    1. markm23   2 years ago (edited)

      When De Santis thinks, he’s almost a libertarian. When he reacts, he’s a fascist. Which do you think he would do most as President?

      But he’s still better than any Democrat – who believes that his emotional reactions are “thinking”, and is just as fascist in his reactions – or a GOPe politician, who is fascist all the time.

      The most powerful group in DC is the politicians themselves - and fascist policies are good for _them_.

  20. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    California butthurt; 2A maintained; Illinois next.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_2085506e-6f8c-11ee-93ac-bb39801b2e56.html

    Plaintiffs challenging Illinois’ gun ban hope a ruling out of a California federal court plays a role in the potential outcome in Illinois.

    Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker has justified the state’s gun and magazine ban he enacted earlier this year by pointing to several other states with similar bans. However, on Thursday, a federal judge out of California struck down that state’s ban on certain semi-automatic firearms with a permanent injunction.

    Among other issues laid out in his 79-page ruling, the judge rejected California’s argument that actual use in self-defense shootings is the relevant metric of “common use,” a similar argument Illinois is making in defending the Land of Lincoln’s gun ban.

    “An AR-15 under one’s bed at night is being used for self-defense even when the night is quiet,” Judge Roger T. Benitez wrote.

    “Well, these judges aren’t radical. Politicians like Gavin Newsom and Pritzker, they’re the radicals and the proof of it is that they want to pass a new amendment to the Constitution to eradicate the Second Amendment and take away people’s gun rights,” Gottlieb said. “That is what is dangerous and unusual and radical.”

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      The lawmakers that bring these laws that fail need to be charged out of their own pocket for the legal expense of both sides.
      The law fare is ment to drain resources. They know what they are doing

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        Agree, though I don't see it ever happening.

      2. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Something something woodchipper something something.

  21. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "Of course, for libertarians who want to see more gridlock, the ongoing speaker battles—derailing near-guaranteed fiscal profligacy—may be more attractive."

    Wow, did Reason actually publish this?

    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      There's been a changing of the guard.

    2. R Mac   2 years ago

      I get the impression that Liz actually reads the comments a little.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        And not as "Mike Laursen".

    3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      “…..near guaranteed fiscal profligacy…”

      “near” guaranteed”? Better, but still work to be done.

  22. Jerry B.   2 years ago

    “Doctors are using "clothes for bandages, vinegar for antiseptic, sewing needles for surgical ones…”

    But they always seem to have a lot of nice white shrouds which have some magic treatment so no blood soaks through from the bodies presumably inside them.

    1. R Mac   2 years ago

      Those aren’t real doctors, just actors for the propaganda department of Hamas.

  23. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    'Possibly the most New York Timesy headline I have ever seen: "Climate change is keeping therapists up at night." I will save you some reading time: Every person described within is just as annoying as you're imagining, and yes, of course these consummate professionals live in the Pacific Northwest.'

    The (cultural) Marxists told us they would complete a long march through our society. Who knew they would also turn everyone into a neurotic whiner?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      Palo frieri? Nitzi? Marx? Gayl ruben? Michelle fucco? Literally all marxists

    2. DesigNate   2 years ago

      The snark in that paragraph is chef’s kiss.

    3. markm23   2 years ago

      Anyone who watched a Woody Allen movie?

  24. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Culture War Realignment?

    https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-delusions-died

    Call it a realignment, call it a political awakening, call it a vibe shift. Something has changed since the attacks on Israel.

    Here’s an example of what we mean: a friend, appalled at the equivocation and apologia in the West after the brutal Hamas killings, told one of us that he used to consider himself a “conscientious objector” in the culture wars. “Not anymore,” he said. October 7 changed that.

    For a sense of what this real-time political transformation can look like, watch this clip of venture capitalist Chamath Palihapitiya on the podcast he co-hosts, All In. Palihapitiya, who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Joe Biden in 2020, explains that he is rapidly revising his view of Trump’s time in office: “As a Democrat who has been left homeless, who is now definitely in the center but probably leaning increasingly right, I am left yet again with an appreciation, despite the messenger, of the message of the Trump administration because what those guys did was pretty incredible in hindsight.”

    As Konstantin Kisin writes in his powerful essay today in The Free Press: “The events of the last week have shattered the illusion that wokeness is about protecting victims and standing up for persecuted minorities. This ideology is and has always been about the one thing many of us have told you it is about for years: power. And after the last two weeks, there can be no doubt about how these people will use any power they seize: they will seek to destroy, in any way they can, those who disagree.”

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      What's been quite notable about the mass demonstrations in favor of Palestinians isn't necessarily that the right supports Israel, it's because the left--the Democratic Socialists and the communists that are now control the uniparty--have a Manichean view of history that states the browner the person, the more of a victim and therefore the more righteous they are.

      What's throwing this dynamic out of whack versus similar demonstrations during the Iraq invasion, Occupy, and Fentanyl Floyd, is that a lot of left-wing Jews are finding themselves on the receiving end of the Tim Wise/Robin DiAngelo-style rhetoric of being accused of supporting "white supremacy" if they happen to support Israel, and finding that counter-accusations of anti-Semitism aren't really finding purchase except for the neocon right and maybe a few Christian traditionalists. The rest of the right doesn't really give a shit what happens either way, as those left-wing Jews effectively alienated them over the last 20-odd years with their own political sperging on domestic issues like abortion on demand, enabling urban crime, trooning out kids, and other SJW causes.

      1. BYODB   2 years ago


        rhetoric of being accused of supporting “white supremacy” if they happen to support Israel, and finding that counter-accusations of anti-Semitism aren’t really finding purchase

        Well, accusations of antisemitism aren't finding purchase because they are out and proud antisemites. It doesn't offend them to be labeled as such, it makes them proud to be labeled as such.

        It's also hard to call a 'brown person' a victim when they are out murdering people and posting the video's of the murders to social media.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Well, accusations of antisemitism aren’t finding purchase because they are out and proud antisemites. It doesn’t offend them to be labeled as such, it makes them proud to be labeled as such.

          True. It's a very elegant reminder that if the last white, non-Jewish right-winger was killed, these people would simply turn on each other with the same dumb progressive stack. It's also why trying to actually appeal to them on any rational basis is utterly pointless--they see the same things through very different lenses and there 's no way to ever reconcile them.

        2. damikesc   2 years ago

          "Well, accusations of antisemitism aren’t finding purchase because they are out and proud antisemites. It doesn’t offend them to be labeled as such, it makes them proud to be labeled as such."

          The ADL labelling anything to the right of Che being "anti-semitic" certainly did not help, though.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        Left wing jews are finding out what it's like to be white, and that all their anti white activism and plotting can blow up in their faces too

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          And that trying to claim "I'm not white, I'm Jewish" isn't working this time.

      3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

        It was only a matter of time before the lefts victim mining operations unearthed contradictions. See: black people/gays, black people/Asians, etc.

        Expect more of this. And cynically enjoy it.

  25. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    “I’m tired of talking about a Department of Defense. I want a Department of Offense,” @NikkiHaley says in Cedar Rapids.

    LOL

    As awful as Bill Kristol is, I respect him more than this stuck-in-2004 fraud.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Nikki Haley would do better to try to be George W. Bush's VP for 2004. Oh, wait, it's 2023, you say?

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

      Yeah, at least you know exactly where Bill stands at a given moment, regardless of how retarded his positions are.

      Haley really has no idea how reactionary and childish she sounds here. Just the same old GOPe belief that people can be persuaded by forceful promotion of “ideas” and pithy snark. No wonder The Dispatch crowd loves her so much.

      I mean, seriously, why should GOP voters give a fuck if Trump’s only policy platform is “whatever will help Trump, because he’ll help you,” when the alternatives are offering up this kind of stale political rhetoric from the turn of the 21st century that they’ve already heard a million times with no subsequent follow-through?

      1. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Worse, the Republicans who actually show some spine of follow through get labeled all kinds of vile shit and the GOPe assholes are more than happy to throw them under the bus to try and make themselves look better to the leftist that hate all of us (meaning anyone who isn’t a leftist).

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Yeah, it's rather instructive that when GOP politicians actually try to promote the things they were voted into office to promote, the center-right starts cock-blocking them, while whining about being "pragmatic" and "understanding that politics is the art of compromise."

          Look how much in a lather they are about conservatives running for school boards, county management commissions, and city councils, for example. The left had a total monopoly here for literal decades, and actually understood that, a few NGO-tied outliers aside, these arenas are where your state and Congressional reps form their early political careers. The center-right actively discouraged conservatives from being involved in these very crucial institutions that made up the heart of how local communities were run, contra to their rhetoric that government should be as minimal as possible. They effectively ceded these areas to the left to such a degree that these races are now being targeted PACs for big money, because now everyone understands what the stakes are in controlling these otherwise boring offices. And instead of being happy that conservatives are taking an active role in serving their hometowns, the center-right whinges about how divisive everything is now.

          Just a completely neutered, spent political force that shouldn't be taken seriously about anything anymore.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            This statement from her Iowa visit perfectly encapsulates how "principled" Haley supposedly is:

            “Tell people the truth. You go and put this ban of 15 weeks, and what does it do? It has people running from us,” she said, her comments drawing some applause from the crowd. “What about if we got people running to us? Whatever we can do to get 60 Senate votes on, isn’t that better than what we have now?
            “If it’s six weeks, that’s great. If it’s 15 weeks, that’s great. If it’s 20 weeks … it’s going further than what we want, but guess what? We’ll save more babies that way.”

            These people are completely incapable of grasping the left's will to power, and have no fucking concept of how the left salami-slices its way to more political control. You'd think from the gun control debates that the lesson to be learned is that you don't ever give these people a single inch when they're demanding 100 yards, because they'll eventually demand the whole fucking galaxy.

    3. Public Entelectual   2 years ago

      After Bill maxed out as Dan Quayle's Chief Of Staff, he went ashore from a cruise ship in Skagway Alaska and discovered Nikki Haley's more intelligent role model, Sarah Palin.

      1. damikesc   2 years ago

        Sarah Palin is still the most unfairly demagogued political figure in recent history.

        I love that McCain's people blame her for the loss but, without her, it'd have been a bigger bloodbath. McCain was the shits.

  26. The ballad of sarcasmic   2 years ago

    Sing to the tune of Lily Allen's "The Fear".

    Sarc wants attention and he wants respect
    He wants to be clever, but he's always wrecked.
    He wants to be regarded as tempered and wise,
    But chronic malapropisms wreck that disguise.

    Life's full of bottles, with no love from mothers,
    Bum wine and drunk driving, no respect for the others,
    His memory is foggy, can't recall posts past,
    Homeless before, but the meth was a blast.

    Stuck in the '80s, that mullet, so wild,
    Can't control his emotions, CPS'd by his child,
    He loves to troll, just to try to feel tall,
    Calls everyone "stupid", with aims to appall.

    He claims libertarian, but that's just a farce,
    A Democrat toady, who's sore in the arse.
    Rocking the mute button, hiding The List,
    Lost in his feelings, angry and pissed.

    Once homeless and hopeless, his memory's blurred,
    Anger and addiction, his best friend's the Turd.
    His IQ is low, but he claims it's supreme,
    Took an internet test, now living the dream.

    He hates those Canuks, but he loves their moose,
    He's pure contradiction, with a constant excuse.
    Pursuing the Dee, with a raging erection,
    Avoiding soul-searching, avoiding introspection.

    Alcohol consumption, with no self-reflection,
    That's not his fault, it's his programmed direction,
    He'll gaze at the sun, that mirror's a winner,
    You can just ask him, he's never the sinner.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      I don't know who you are, but that's beautiful, man. It made my laugh my ass off.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Except who the fuck is Lily Allen and who has ever heard that song?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Allen

        Teen Brit pop?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          She sings better than you, dork. And she's not exactly your type. She's female and older than 12.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Although she came put saying she was groomed early, so maybe shrike does know her.

          2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            You old women like Adele too.

            1. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

              "Stupid kids and their pop music."

              Grandpa Pluggo's hopping mad.

        2. DesigNate   2 years ago

          Lily Allen has been around for over 10 years and is 38 years old you brain dead moron. Jesus fuck, I’m not well versed on every artist, but even I knew that.

    2. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      Truly inspired, lol.

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

      This should be posted under every sarc post.

      1. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

        My favorite line:

        He’s pure contradiction, with a constant excuse.

    4. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      Glad I don't have to pay rent for all the time I spend in your head.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Dude, if you didn't do what's in the parody, it wouldn't be funny as hell.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

          Only to the half dozen idiots who think I’m the liar when I contradict the voices in JesseAz’s head. You know who you are.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            I guess it's five-o'clock somewhere already.

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            The self delusion you have is off the charts.

          3. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

            "Only to the half dozen idiots who think I’m the liar"

            Somebody's certainly optimistic this morning. You could times that figure by ten here, and I'm pretty sure if we polled your daughter, ex-wife, lawyer, the local cops, your boss, the liquor store owner and your next door neighbor they would concur with us.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Sorry to disappoint, but none of them live in your fantasy land.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Pour sarc.

              2. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

                As I always say, self-awareness is not a Sarcasmic super power.

          4. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Yes sarc. It is others who read your clear statements and Ideas! that are the problem. Never you. Never your words. Never what you say. Never how you act.

            Everyone else is to blame for not seeing your true one libertarian genius fomented off of bumper stickers and single quotes.

      2. R Mac   2 years ago

        “Rocking the mute button, hiding The List,”

        Show us the list!

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          He's written it in invisible ink on transparent paper, sewn onto the emperor's clothes.

    5. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

      "Malapropisms", that's the word I was looking for. The human malapropism generator.

    6. R Mac   2 years ago

      A+++

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYxkULH-tQ&pp=ygUUYSBjaHJpc3RtYXMgc3RvcnkgYSs%3D

    7. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      What's that game called? Chinese whispers? Where someone whispers something into someone's ear, then they to the next, and so on down the line until the last person hears something completely different than what was originally said.

      That's what the stuff you guys say about me reminds me of. It's as if you're the hundredth person down the line.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        Pour sarc.

    8. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Lost in his feelings, angry and pissed.

      Pissed, the American way, pissed the British way, or both? Given the rantings, I strongly suspect a heaping of both varieties.

    9. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      Well done, but seems like a lot more effort than he deserves, honestly.

  27. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

    Giving the middle finger to images of kidnapped children is vile,

    If only that was the worst thing people were doing and saying in the US.

  28. Gorbag   2 years ago

    Do non-resident aliens have first amendment rights (or any rights our taxes should be supporting, for that matter?)

    Quoting Eric Xu (http://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/rojas-v-moore-immigrants-and-the-first-amendment)

    "In the 1952 case Harisiades v. Shaughnessy, the Supreme Court ruled that the government may constitutionally deport resident aliens due to their membership in the Communist Party. The Supreme Court also elaborated on the specific question in two cases during the 1990s. In United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, the majority noted in passing that “the people” referred to by the First Amendment must belong to a “national community” or have “developed sufficient connection” to the U.S. in order to fall under its protection. Finally, in Reno v. American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, Justice Scalia held that immigrants unlawfully present within the U.S. have no right to assert selective enforcement as a defense against deportation, regardless of any potential chilling effects on free speech. "

    1. Zeb   2 years ago

      How are our taxes supporting first amendment rights (mostly I see our taxes supporting violations of the 1st)?
      The First Amendment does not mention "the people" in the context of free speech, only relating to the right to assemble and to petition. Free speech/press applies to everyone and everything because it's something the government is forbidden from touching at all. So maybe it can apply to protests and political activism if they are non-citizens without a real connection. But I still don't think it's a very good precedent to set.

  29. Jerry B.   2 years ago

    "We're essentially shut down as a government."

    Feature, not bug

  30. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Bye bye, Miss American Woke...

    https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin

    When Hamas terrorists crossed over the border with Israel and murdered 1,400 innocent people, they destroyed families and entire communities. They also shattered long-held delusions in the West.

    A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn’t really a joke and she wasn’t the only one. What changed?

    The best way to answer that question is with the help of Thomas Sowell, one of the most brilliant public intellectuals alive today. In 1987, Sowell published A Conflict of Visions. In this now-classic, he offers a simple and powerful explanation of why people disagree about politics. We disagree about politics, Sowell argues, because we disagree about human nature. We see the world through one of two competing visions, each of which tells a radically different story about human nature.

    Ed - A good book for those who haven't read it yet. I strongly recommend it.

    Many people woke up on October 7 sympathetic to parts of woke ideology and went to bed that evening questioning how they had signed on to a worldview that had nothing to say about the mass rape and murder of innocent people by terrorists.

    We woke up on October 8 to the clamor of street protests in cities across the West condemning Israel even before any major Israeli response to the attacks. We watched celebratory crowds brandish swastikas and chant “gas the Jews” at events purporting to be about the loss of Palestinian lives. We saw Black Lives Matter chapters lionize terrorists.

    The events of the last two weeks have shattered the illusion that wokeness is about protecting victims and standing up for persecuted minorities. This ideology is and has always been about the one thing many of us have told you it is about for years: power. And after the last two weeks, there can be no doubt about how these people will use any power they seize: they will seek to destroy, in any way they can, those who disagree.

    The reason the readjustment is necessary and, in my view, highly likely, is that proponents of the unconstrained vision have been allowed to ride roughshod over the concerns of ordinary citizens. They have used this window of opportunity to implement extraordinarily impractical and outright harmful ideas because they take the unbelievable levels of safety, plenty, and freedom we enjoy in the West for granted. The one form of privilege you will never hear them address is the first-world privilege that we all benefit from every day.

    Western civilization has produced some of the most stunning scientific, technological, social, and cultural breakthroughs in human history. If you consider yourself “liberal” or even “progressive,” it must surely be clear by now that America and her allies are the only places in the world where your values are even considered values. If our civilization is allowed to collapse, it will not be replaced by a progressive utopia. It will be replaced by chaos and barbarism.

    As Sowell explained, “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.”

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      Bill Maher mocks Ivy League schools for ‘indoctrination’ and anti-Israel hate: College ‘makes you stupid’
      'If ignorance is a disease, Harvard Yard is the Wuhan wet market,' the comedian quipped Friday night

      https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-mocks-ivy-leagues-schools-findoctrination-anti-israel-hate-college-makes-you-stupid

      Bill Maher is smartest pundit on the idiot box. (Low bar)

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        What the fuck kind of response is that, or, in your child masturbatory haze, did you mean to post your drivel elsewhere, Shrike?

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          Anti-Woke time, idiot. You played Sowell I raised you with Maher.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            You really are a dork. Sowell > Maher. Of course, since Sowell is black and libertarian/conservative, you're predisposed to dislike him.

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

              Maher is the leading spokesman for anti-Woke, you moron. Progressives hate him for it.

              He just went on a tirade about how the prog-Wokeys betray their own ideology with their coddling of ultra-conservative Islamo-fascists like Hamas.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                He is not the leading spokesman. He just largely agrees with it. He still defends some of the woke shit.

                1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                  You H&R conservatives are Wokey. You don't like any criticism of your lawn ornaments.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    Interesting use of words, "lawn ornaments". Is that what they are to you, Pluggo, mere "lawn ornaments", like a lawn jockey?

                  2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                    Are all black conservatives lawn ornaments shrike.

              2. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

                "Maher is the leading spokesman for anti-Woke"

                He's not even the first (or 101st) lefty to identify the problem, and definitely not the leader.

                I'm glad he's noticed the problem, but he's pretty late to the party.

                1. damikesc   2 years ago

                  I remember a few years who when Dennis Prager told him they were putting feminine hygiene products in men's restrooms to placate the woke.

                  He did not believe him, even though it was documented by that point.

                  He is not the leading voice of the "anti-woke". Not even close.

      2. SRG2   2 years ago

        Bill Maher is a smug self-satisfied prick who relies on his writers to come over as smart. He's not fit to carry Jon Stewart's jock-strap.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          Smug? Okay. Prick? Maybe so.

          But where is he wrong?

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Shrike fight!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHUtgG4dqmE

            1. SRG2   2 years ago

              Only one of us is shrike and it isn't me.

    2. markm23   2 years ago

      Remember Winston Churchill saying, “Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over thirty who is not a conservative has no brains.”

      It just took your friend 35 years longer to discover her brains.

  31. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    ‘I’m disappointed’: Even Tim Scott’s friends and fans see a campaign on the ropes
    Scott’s polling is down, his super PAC is in retreat and his hometown newspaper is cheering on Nikki Haley instead.
    “In talking to people here at home, what they have told me is that it’s unfortunate that the Tim that they know in South Carolina is not the Tim that people may be perceiving in Iowa and New Hampshire and other states,” said Mark Sanford, the former South Carolina Republican governor and U.S. representative who attended Scott’s May campaign launch.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/22/tim-scott-disappointed-campaign-00122896

    Bro be acting foolish.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Why do you hate black people?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Just the ones that don't follow their betters. The ones who don't support dems.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

        It has nothing to do with race, moron.

        People worthy of contempt – Al Sharpton, Tim Scott, Herschel Walker

        People who I admire/respect – Dave Chapelle, Barack Obama, NG Tyson.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

          First group, mostly conservative black men - Sharpton's the exception.
          Second group, all liberal black men.

          You’re not helping your case there, Shrike.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            First group = Liars and idiots
            Second group = men of integrity

            No race needed.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              So, Barack Obama, a man who got his opponent tossed off the ballot so he's have an easy path to his first Illinois Senate seat, is man of integrity?

              https://www.westernjournal.com/flashback-1996-obama-challenged-signatures-get-primary-opponents-thrown-off-ballot/

              A Chicago Tribune article published in April 2007 tells the unflattering truth. Tribune reporters David Jackson and Ray Long wrote that rather than winning the race “by leveling the playing field,” Obama won “by clearing it.”

              Jackson and Long described the events unfolding in the 13th District of Illinois in the summer of 1995. After then-U.S. Rep. Mel Reynolds, a Democrat, was “convicted of sex crimes, a special election was called to fill his congressional seat.” The Illinois state senator at the time, Alice Palmer, decided to run for Reynolds’ seat in Congress.

              On Jan. 2, 1996, according to Jackson and Long, “operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.”

              “There they [Obama, his lawyer and his team] began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer … And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama’s four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot,” the report said.

              Such integrity.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                That's it? Legally challenging signatures on petitions?

                Eight years as POTUS and no scandal or indictments is proof of his integrity.

                (Fake scandals from GOP ratfuckers don't count)

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  No scandal, or are you willfully blind, deaf, and dumb?

                  https://www.thoughtco.com/list-of-obama-scandals-and-controversies-3367635

                  The list of Obama controversies include a broken promise that Americans would be able to keep their insurers under the Affordable Care Act health care overhaul and accusations he downplayed links between terrorist acts and Islamic militants.

                  Questions about how the Obama administration handled the terrorist attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, on Sept. 11 and 12, 2012, dogged the president for months. Republicans portrayed this as an Obama scandal but the White House dismissed it as politics as usual.

                  The IRS scandal of 2013 refers to the Internal Revenue Service's disclosure that it had targeted conservative and Tea Party groups for extra scrutiny leading up to the 2012 presidential election between Democratic President Barack Obama and Republican Mitt Romney.

                  The U.S. Department of Justice secretly obtained telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press wire service in 2012.

                  When sequestration was first put in the Budget Control Act of 2011 to encourage Congress to reduce the federal deficit by $1.2 trillion by the end of 2012, the White House and Republican lawmakers alike praised the mechanism.

                  And then came the budget cuts. And nobody wanted to own the sequester. So who's idea was it? You might be surprised to learn that Washington Post veteran reporter Bob Woodward pinned the sequester firmly on Obama.

                  There's lots of confusion over whether Obama issued executive orders or was just taking an executive action, but critics piled on the president for trying to bypass Congress on critical issues such as gun control and the environment.

                  The NSA was using a super-secret computer system to scoop up emails, video clips, and pictures on major U.S. Internet company websites, including those transmitted by unsuspecting Americans, without a warrant and in the name of national security. The program was deemed unconstitutional by a federal judge during Obama's second term in office.

                  As part of the Fast and Furious program, the Phoenix Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) allowed 2,000 firearms to be sold to people it believed to be smugglers in hopes of tracing the weapons back to Mexican drug cartels. Though some of the guns were later recovered, the agency lost track of many others.

                  When U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was shot and killed in 2010 near the Arizona-Mexico border, two of the weapons purchased under the Fast and Furious program were found nearby.

                  Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder was held in contempt of Congress during the investigation.

                  I'm sure there's some missing.

                  1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

                    All fake.

                    Pick your favorite fake scandal. I will dismantle it.

                    Donnie 91 felony indictments vs Obama 0
                    Donnie 12 staffers/cabinet convictions vs Obama 0

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

                      Go for it, fucker, go for all of them, I fucking triple dog dare you. And don't forget your links.

                    2. R Mac   2 years ago

                      Do you know what’s not fake? That you were banned for posting a link to kiddie porn.

                    3. DesigNate   2 years ago

                      I’m sure that has nothing to do with sycophants like you slobbering the knob of “the most transparent administration ever”.

                2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                  The fact you say he had no scandals prove how retarded and partisan you are.

                  IRS admitted and apologized for targeting conservatives.
                  Droning of a US citizen without judicial review.
                  AG indicted for contempt.
                  Fast and Furious.

                  And I can probably think of a dozen more.

                  1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                    Lois Lerner isolated incident in Cincy.
                    Droned an enemy combatant in the Middle East? Who cares?
                    AG was a political target.
                    Gun-running predated Obama as policy.

                    Next wingnut up!

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      Got links, moonbat?

                    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Lol. So full of shit. Question is if you are aware youre full of shit or if you are so ignorant you dont know better.

                    3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      Sevo put it best: Turd lies. Turd lies when he knows he's lying. Turd lies when we know he's lying. Turd lies when he knows we know he's lying.

        2. damikesc   2 years ago

          Odd, of the people worthy of contempt, one is never mentioned by you. Ever. Democrats suck up to him every four years yet never have a problem with him. Odd.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      You've got to have some secret crush or fantasy about Tim Scott with as much as you bring him up. Tell us, does he enter your dreams at night, Shrike?

    3. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      I though code switching was racist or cultural appropriation or something.

  32. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

    Possibly the most New York Timesy headline I have ever seen: "Climate change is keeping therapists up at night.

    I love that Liz doesn't even pretend the New York Times is anything but a worthless these days.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      The NYT isn't even fit to line a birdcage.

      1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

        The NYT today retracted their 'Israel bombed a hospital' story they ran with last week, complete with deliberate disinformation (took a picture of another building, and falsely passed it off as the hospital). Bari Weiss left NYT for a reason.

        Now you see why.

  33. Brandybuck   2 years ago

    Who the hell cares how the NY governor is dressed while flying across the Atlantic and Mediterranean? This is how I dress when on a plane. Hell, it's how I dress in the office. And yes, I'm a boomer. All you zoomers want to wear suits and strangling ties, go for it. But don't comfy shame me!

    Jeepers, just when I thought the level of political discourse couldn't sink any lower.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      “Jeepers

      LOL

    2. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      Whether or not to let Senators wear a hoodie and sweatpants on Senate Floor was a waste of time, but wearing a casual outfit on overseas flight is beyond the pale (whether she should be flying there is another matter).

    3. damikesc   2 years ago

      Perhaps "Why the fuck is she even there?". You know, "bizarre world tour, ostensibly paid for by taxpayers like me"

    4. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Jeepers, just when I thought the level of political discourse couldn’t sink any lower.

      Uh, I see a fashion quip and maybe an inter-generational jab. If your politics is wound up in your deck shoes and sweater jacket, that's on you Mr. Rogers.

  34. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

    I don't know how many times it has to be said before Reason writers finally get the message: the government shut-down is NOT about the money! Of course the threat is just a scare tactic to bolster support from "the People" for wasteful spending; of course they only threaten to stop the checks from going out to the people who were counting on them, including military families, the sick and the elderly; of course they shut down national parks and other popular things that they should not have been doing in the first place; of course they don't stop the pork-barrel and the graft - why should they when they can declare anything they want to be an "essential function?"

    Why libertarians should be glad about gridlock is that it further undermines faith in the essential purpose of the federal government and the way politics is conducted in the US. It stops them from passing legislation that shouldn't be passed in the first place. And there's a small chance that massive dysfunction in the Federal political process will precipitate a catastrophic reorganization back towards the original Constitution while there's still enough infrastructure to start over again with.

  35. Chinny Chin Chin   2 years ago

    Actually, eliminating standards doesn't help anyone succeed in the long run

    Disagree, and your mistake lies in the progressive origins of US public education.

    It was thought that a school should run more like factories: using modern methods, they'd churn out students more effiently. The kids could also have summers off to work during the growing season.

    But the model was created for an agrarian society, and without an understanding of learning styles. Because of each student's particular set of skills and needs, "one size fits all" is even less applicable for education than it is for condoms.

    Eliminating State-set standards would allow schools more flexibility to experiment. Sure, kids would fall through the cracks in such a paradigm, but it can't be worse than the millions who just aren't built for hours-long multiple-choice tests.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      And do you believe that there should be any standards at all, or are you content with schools teaching Zoroastrian creationism, 2+2=5, and Gender Queer as an English assignment?

      1. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

        It's not whether you or I are "content" with the teaching of those things. It's whether the parents of the children in those schools are content with them. The parents should determine the standards to which they hold teachers and schools, not some expert of the moment with a teaching certificate. In a free educational market the teachers and the parents will decide what the curriculum is and whether their kids are getting an adequate education worth paying for.

    2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      Not everyone performs well on standardized tests, it's true. And there's some perverse incentives in teaching that prioritizes getting students to get the right answer on a state standardized tests-students getting study guides that are just the test itself, and they just have to memorize the answer without actually learning anything.

      That doesn't mean there should be zero standards at all, and certainly not the elimination of standards in the name of racial equity. The goal should be higher learning outcomes, not the elimination of any metric for measuring those successful outcomes.

      One of the greatest disservices a teacher can do to any individual student is to pass them on to a higher grade when they haven't learned what they're supposed to learn at that grade level. You end up with high schoolers who are supposed to be studying the constitution but they can't actually read anything, or they should be learning algebra when they can't do basic arithmetic. They think they're helping that student by not punishing their bad grades, but they're actually failing the student who hasn't learned the skills necessary to climb upward.

      1. BYODB   2 years ago

        Standardized tests are lazy and benefit the teachers, not the students. Multiple choice tests give you the answer, essay tests do not. They are designed to make grading easier for the teachers, not to educate students.

        In college, the classes that stuck with me the most were the classes that were all essay tests.

  36. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Question for the group:

    Is Javier Milei 30% as libertarian as Jared Polis? 35%? 38%?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      No dreamy enough. Polis is Governor McDreamy for Reason.

  37. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Truly takes a stronger libertarian stance than Reason did against Trump gag order.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4262942-the-trump-gag-order-should-be-struck-down/

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Turley*

  38. Ajsloss   2 years ago

    You then get to make decisions as to who you associate with and who you care to listen to based on that.

    Do you though?

  39. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Bill Maher rips into progressive Left:

    ‘These Are The Values That You Support?’: Bill Maher Slams Leftists Siding With Hamas

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/these-are-the-values-that-you-support-bill-maher-slams-leftists-siding-with-hamas?ref=mc.news

  40. JesseAz   2 years ago

    As the media pushed a false narrative of Israel bombing a Gaza hospital, they have often ignored actual hospitals being hit in Israel.

    https://juliorosas.substack.com/p/the-hospital-attacks-during-the-israel?utm_source=pocket_saves

    1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      See, the problem the media seems to have is that Jews just won't lie down and die quietly. Truly, the MSM is worthless. Just trash.

      Glad to see BBC getting called out for latent and obvious antisemitism.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Jews and Asians were both in the Leftist Pantheon, but apparently have been acting too white.

  41. JesseAz   2 years ago

    This is for Mike. May he rest in peace.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/pennsylvania-spent-over-20-million-on-transgender-medical-services-for-children-and-youth-report

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Peace, or pieces?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Fine with either.

  42. JesseAz   2 years ago

    UK orders forced abortion for 11 year old despite family not wanting one.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/court-orders-11-year-old-girl-abortion-despite-happy-pregnancy

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      British subjects belong to the state.

    2. R Mac   2 years ago

      Gov’na shrike returned to England?

    3. mamabug   2 years ago

      Honestly, as much as I oppose abortion, reading the article it is pretty clear this girl has some issues (to put it mildly). There also seems to be some serious health concerns involved. It doesn't sound like this girl has any competent adult around her making decisions in the first place or she wouldn't have been raped by two different 14 year old boys (at least one met online) within the space of 2 weeks and become pregnant (at the age of fricken 10!!!) by one of them.

  43. JesseAz   2 years ago

    The humanitarian crisis in Gaza remains dire, with little electricity, food, and water available. Doctors are using "clothes for bandages, vinegar for antiseptic, sewing needles for surgical ones," reports the Associated Press.

    Liz, where are the billions given to Gaza? Were they not able to use it to try to buy some of this? This is the type of appeal to emotion used to justify all sorts of liberals asks.

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      Maybe the billionaires who run Hamas should have bought some of that stuff instead of living in luxury in Qatar and agitating for the destruction of Israel. Not that I'd expect them to, but that would have been a good use of that funding.

      1. D-Pizzle   2 years ago

        Nice work if you can get it.

    2. R Mac   2 years ago

      With the new aid to Gaza, hopefully Hamas can just buy rockets directly instead of tearing out water piping to make them. See?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        I still don't understand the libertarian argument for funding and feeding those who attack you. It seems to all be every life matters appeal to emotion. That's a liberal argument, not libertarian.

  44. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Nikki Haley’s path to the nomination: stand up to GOP antisemitism
    .
    Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley can overtake Donald Trump and win the GOP presidential nomination. Here’s how.
    With the news dominated by Hamas’ brutal attack against Israeli civilian targets, Haley can stand out by standing up to antisemitism in her party.
    For decades, there has been a deep vein of antisemitic innuendo in Republican and conservative politics in the U.S.
    Pat Buchanan, the former contender for the GOP nomination, famously said in 1990 that Capitol Hill was “Israeli-occupied territory.”
    Now the leading candidate for the GOP nomination, former President Donald Trump, has inveighed against “liberal Jews” who want to “destroy America and Israel.” He has previously called Jews “ungrateful” to him.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/juan-williams/4267071-nikki-haleys-path-to-the-nomination-stand-up-to-gop-antisemitism/

    Basically it is Donnie vs Nikki now.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      You're a laugh and a half.

      https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/

      Trump 78% Haley 22%. It's not even a contest, much less the 1973 Belmont Stakes.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      LOL, if Juan Williams is pushing this shit, you know it's a ruse.

      1. mamabug   2 years ago

        But, clearly, Nikki is better positioned to challenge alleged GOP anti-Semitism better than the guy with actual Jewish family members who brokered the Abraham accords...

        Political commentators live in a strange fantasy land

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          No, people like Williams are very deliberate about pushing these kinds of people because they know they'll be total jobbers even if they do manage to obtain office.

    3. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

      "Basically it is Donnie vs Nikki now."

      Chuckle.

  45. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1716430985632403578?t=fDKy-XPBDdARmgmjT5vRTw&s=19

    Middle class used to mean independence owning a home, car, and eventually a business

    Now the middle class has been re-proletarianized, and it just means being able to afford more steaming services

    You will own nothing and you will be happy

    Samuel Francis predicted that managerial elite would continue to erode the existence of hard property among the middle class in order to destroy the remnants of localized bourgeoisie resistance to the expansion of managerial power

    The total state wants you to rent everything so that you are totally dependent on your wagey job at woke corporation inc where the HR department can reprogram you

    [Link]

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      "I prefer the old Adam of strife and carnage to the new Prometheus of peace and human rights. Better a world torn apart by Husseins and Qaddafis, better a war to the knife between the PLO and the Likud Party, between Zulus and Afrikaaners, than a world run by George Balls and Dag Hammarskjölds, because a world made safe for democracy is a world in which no one dares to raise his voice for fear that mommy will put you away some place where you can be reeducated."

    2. markm23   2 years ago

      Steaming services?

  46. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    The humanitarian crisis in Gaza remains dire, with little electricity, food, and water available. Doctors are using "clothes for bandages, vinegar for antiseptic, sewing needles for surgical ones," reports the Associated Press. Al Shifa Hospital, which generally has the capacity to care for about 700 patients, is treating more than 5,000. Patients are crammed into hospital corridors, with so few beds available. Aid workers say hundreds of trucks carrying supplies are needed, not dozens.

    And with those sniper victims and all their leg wounds... that's gotta be pretty taxing too.

  47. Alan Vanneman   2 years ago

    "ostensibly paid by taxpayers like me"? I think you need to look up the word "ostensibly".

  48. BYODB   2 years ago


    "Oregon again says students don't need to prove mastery of reading, writing or math to graduate, citing harm to students of color," reports The Oregonian

    This is probably the most overtly racist thing I'll read today. I hope.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      It's early. Day ain't over yet, and Pluggo is actively typing.

      1. BYODB   2 years ago

        I have the resident retards muted and have for a long time. After a commentor comes out in favor of abusing children, our conversation is over.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          Abusing children is healthcare...

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Just another example of Freirian pedagogy in action, from the same people fetishize "education," especially college degrees.

      When these vipers say, "You need to educate yourself," and "you need to think critically,' what they really mean is, "You need to uncritically accept the left-wing narrative we are serving you."

      1. BYODB   2 years ago

        Somewhat agree on the first point since I too was forced to study Freire in college and I found it enlightening as to why American public education is the envy of the 3rd world.

        Entirely agree with what the radical left means by 'educate yourself' since it really amounts to saying 'buy into our brainwashing, or else'.

        If there is any reason or logic to the radical left, I have yet to encounter it. When I attempt to engage radical leftists on their beliefs (looking at you, Boulder), I'm consistently shocked by how many things they truly do believe that have no basis in reality or history.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Somewhat agree on the first point since I too was forced to study Freire in college and I found it enlightening as to why American public education is the envy of the 3rd world.

          What's notable about Freire is how insidious his ideas have become in education today. The recent news about teachers in Oakland abandoning phonics in reading despite its success, in favor of a CRT-style curriculum that assumed kids would become literate simply by being taught about subjects that left-wingers thought they should know, and it turning into a total disaster is essentially how the Freire cycle of education functions. Take something that works, abandon it for magical thinking about "equity," and watch the system turn to shit. And that's because Freirian pedagogy isn't about teaching kids to read or do math, it's about creating marxist political activists, which it is VERY effective at doing.

          When I attempt to engage radical leftists on their beliefs (looking at you, Boulder),

          Fuck, you don't even have to limit yourself to Boulder these days. That shit is endemic throughout the entire Front Range now.

          1. BYODB   2 years ago

            Yeah, I've only been in Colorado for around five years and while plenty of people all over the state can be a bit weird Boulder takes the cake on truly over-the-line nutballs.

            What's bizarre, or maybe it's something utterly predictable, is that the vast majority of them seem like they're trust fund kids. I tend to think there's a link between people who have never had to do anything and belief in radical leftist causes. Mostly because the nonsense these people believe can't survive when it meets reality.

            There's a guy my wife is friends with who works for oil companies as an inspector (lives in Boulder, of course), and in his free time he organizes protests against...oil companies. He refuses to work somewhere else because he's used to 'a certain income' yet spends his free time actively working against the companies he gets his paycheck from.

            I feel like that guy epitomizes the navel gazing class quite well.

    3. damikesc   2 years ago

      "This is probably the most overtly racist thing I’ll read today. I hope."

      I've argued that for years.

      If somebody REALLY thinks minorities cannot meet requirements for anything, they are arguing they are not terribly competent. And I don't remotely believe a group cannot meet a goal.

      Some individuals cannot (for any group), but the entire group? Hell, you set a goal and people do a terrific job of meeting it.

  49. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    Technically, this one is from the airport in Tel Aviv, but I cannot get over my governor's outfit (and bizarre world tour, ostensibly paid for by taxpayers like me).

    Sounds like someone's getting ready to launch a presidential campaign.

  50. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Once again, Liz Wolfe proves her worth in the most subtle of ways. Reason has in recent years included ranto-tweeters of the most eye roll-inducing nature, so imagine my surprise when I decided to get a little more context into Anna Khachiyan's tweet style. Nice Job, Liz, she's damned funny:

    Why did Hasbulla not get an invite to the Met Gala?

    As a woman I always head for the Personal Life section on Wikipedia first

    Feminism is just a long con by the patriarchy to allow men to take their final form as stay-at-home gamers by convincing women that taking on more responsibility is “empowering” and “liberating”

    Reading election polls is astrology for men

    Women who say men are trash have clearly never had one torrent something for them

    And my personal favorite:

    The problem with secularism is that if you don’t believe in God you start to worship people

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      They’re really making this whole casual hookup culture thing even more pathetic and undignified than it already is

      Caption for photos of no-shit subway advertisements which say:

      It's OK to choose Mr. Right based on how hard he leans left.

      It's OK to have strong convictions and abandon them for the night.

      It's OK to choose to only date someone who's pro-choice.

      1. damikesc   2 years ago

        My all-time favorite of these things was a video where a woman bemoans how you cannot choose your baby daddies,

        Honey --- you ALONE make that decision.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      I can’t with this new reality we inhabit where bored global elites force everyone else into racial bloodsport by pretending it’s “necessary discourse”

      It’s pretty badass how Hillary Clinton and Liz Warren did more to set back feminism by casting doubt on women’s credibility in the last four years than any traditionalist right/winger ever could over the span of decades

      Just a reminder:

      Retweet: America spent 50 years fighting the USSR to become a gay retarded version of it

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        America spent 50 years fighting the USSR to become a gay retarded version of it

        So that explains the Alphabet Soup Flag.

      2. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

        America spent 50 years fighting the USSR to become a gay retarded version of it

        Now that's fucking hilarious. Might have to steal that one.

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    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      She's a total fucking gem:

      Time to fight fascism by dressing up in a carnival mask and loudly clarifying your pronouns

      Feminism is making two women share a single endorsement

      I’ll level with you, if I wanted to have sex with a man who was as vain and hairless as me, I’d just have sex with a woman

      It blows how the tastemakers in our culture are dopey and depressive boys and girls with consequence-free lives instead of stately, serious adults capable of real sadness and mourning instead of infantile malaise

      Americans are so tied to their narrative of exceptionalism they'll even claim to be more racist than every other country

      All academics know is sign petitions, theorize power, have Zoom conference, throw colleagues and family under the bus for job, and lie

      Win Liz, Win... thank you.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        Americans are so tied to their narrative of exceptionalism they’ll even claim to be more racist than every other country

        I'm so exceptionally awesome I don't even have to claim to be racist. I just wake up in the morning and the claims practically hurl themselves at me.

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      The future is AOC running against Barron Trump and losing

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        How old is Baron and what's the age for Congress? 😀

        1. markm23   2 years ago (edited)

          I thought he was a little kid, but now he’s 17 and taller than his father. He’s got 8 more years before he can serve in Congress. But the next congressional election after that is 2032, so it’s actually 9 years unless he replaces someone in mid-term.

          Of course, with Trump money he might be able to bribe someone to resign from Congress right after his birthday in 2031, and a governor to appoint him to the empty seat. Or have someone run for Congress in 2030 just to be in position to resign… It worked to save the Kennedy seat in the Senate while Teddy grew up reached the necessary calendar age.

    5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      You can literally be anything you want to be and do anything you set your mind to. Not for some inspirational, uplifting reason, but because the bar is so low and no one bothers to do due diligence.

      I dedicate this entire thread to this twitter account. Liz, you're a bawss.

      1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

        Anna Khachiyan
        @annakhachiyan
        ·
        Nov 18, 2015
        Don't flatter yourself, you're not a sociopath. Just a garden-variety millennial narcissist.

        Not sure who she was talking to there, but DAYUMMM!!!!!!!

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Based on that alone, I just had to follow her on Twitter. I need as much snark in a day as I can get.

    6. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Imagine thinking u can have an open debate about “free speech” on the internet when the left’s definition is “if a gendergoblin steals your luggage they prolly had a reason” while everyone else’s is “inconvenient or unpleasant truths must be tolerated for the sake of the debate”

      Section 230 is the 1A of the internet indeed.

  51. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    GOP needs MTG as new House Speaker.

    Let's go full Jewish Space Laser Retard. I need the laughs. And no one cares about new legislation.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      And yet, she'd be far less retarded than you, Shrike.

    2. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

      Is that like AOC, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Cori Bush, Hakim Jeffries, Al Sharpton and Jamaal Bowman Jewish Space Laser Retarded?
      Or is it "People Buttplug Wants to Smear" Jewish Space Laser Retarded?

    3. damikesc   2 years ago

      Your side has the Squad.

      Just keep that in mind.

  52. SRG2   2 years ago

    Amusingly, first-past-the-post voting for Speaker would have produced an unfavourable outcome for the GOP (assuming GOP reps voted just as they did - admittedly not assured), while RCV would have resulted - in all likelihood - of Gym Jeffries being elected already.

    1. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

      RCV would have resulted in Ryan Zinke or Kevin Kiley. It's a method to get the guy nobody gives a shit about into power.

      1. SRG2   2 years ago

        Nope. It's a method for getting the guy you're reasonably ok with even if he's not your first choice.

        Arguments against RCV boil down to, "we wanted Sarah Palin to be elected, RCV means she wasn't, so RCV sucks".

        1. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

          “we wanted Sarah Palin to be elected, RCV means she wasn’t, so RCV sucks”.

          I have never once seen that argument advocated here... by anyone. Hey sarcasmic! ^This is what you call a strawman.

          "It’s a method for getting the guy you’re reasonably ok"

          Oh boy. Reasonably okay. Nobody wanted them but they're reasonably okay.
          Like I said, Ryan Zinke or Kevin Kiley.

          1. SRG2   2 years ago

            I have never once seen that argument advocated here

            But after Sarah Palin lost a nomination a number of people here posted arguments condemning RCV because it produced that result. Either you don't remember or you didn't see the thread. Or you're ;lying, of course.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              People here have been against RCV from the first article on Reason. Because it is ultimately an unfair system where some people get multiple votes and others do not.

              1. SRG2   2 years ago

                Continue your bullshit. Meanwhile, here's one article where the Palinites are all anti-RCV because she didn't win.

                And MoLa posted on it, so I guess his memory was at issue.

                https://reason.com/2023/03/07/ranked-choice-voting-worked-in-alaska-sarah-palin-came-to-cpac-to-complain-about-it/?comments=true#comments

                1. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

                  Everyone was shitting on RCV long before that, because it's a shitty, antidemocratic method to push bureaucratic establishment candidates.
                  It's the hope of those who know their policies are unappealing but palatable.

                2. R Mac   2 years ago

                  SRG: You guys only dislike RCV because of Palin.

                  Jesse: No we disliked it before that.

                  SRG: Here’s ML criticizing it in the Palin article, so you’re lying.

                  Hey SRG, if you don’t want to get called shrike, stop acting like shrike.

                3. damikesc   2 years ago

                  I loathe it because taking a MONTH to get a result does not remotely improve anybody's faith in the system.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          RCV is a dem invention as the media parrots dem moderates that allows some citizens multiple votes.

          If they want multiple votes they should be forced to dilute their votes.

          It is also pushed by encumbants and has a statistical showing of keeping incumbents on office, such as in Alaska.

          It is a retarded system for retarded statists.

          1. SRG2   2 years ago

            Bullshit. RCV is a perfectly respectable method that is inherently party neutral. It only appears to favour one party when many supporters of the other party don't like the outcomes.

            It's better than FPTP, though may not be the best out there. Still, the Arrow Theorem...

            As I said to MoLa, you far-right goons only don't like it because your girl didn't get elected and so you decided it must be bad.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

              It is not party neutral once you account for media effects on a race. It has never favored a conservative. It has favored incumbents and those on the left by allowing them access to extra votes. Examples on New York show the 4th highest round 1 vote winning the vote. That is not indicative as the most favorable candidate.

              RCV votes have proven very caustic against voters who vote for the ultimate runner up as their extra votes are never counted whole those choosing worse candidates get multiple. Murkowski is on record pushing for RCV to protect her incumbency. The candidate you know will often be the secondary choice making it so they just need to disrupt the first vote winner.

              It is non neutral, only gives multiple votes to some voters, and inherently unfair. It was pushed to save in costs from run off elections.

              Voter enthusiasm is a huge driver of voting. If your candidate loses miserably you are less likely to vote in a run off. But the enthusiasm of a voter should be taken into account.

              The only way to make RCV even remotely equal is to require diluting the vote if you want multiple votes.

              You can keep bringing up Palin, but that is because youre a retarded leftist. These arguments exist prior to 2022 Alaska vote. Youre retarded though so you immediately make it about politics with strawman so you don’t have to make an intelligent argument.

              Just loom at which groups are pushing RCV. Leftist groups and incumbents. But youre too stupid even to take a first pass at educating yourself.

              1. SRG2   2 years ago (edited)

                The method itself is party-neutral, nor was it invented by the Democrats. Media affects elections. That’s a separate issue.

                Hell, if it favoured the GOP in specific elections, you’d be screaming from the top of your diabetes trolley in favour of RCV.

                Unlike you, I don’t give a shit about who wins under RCV – it’s a fairer system than FPTP.

                1. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                  "it’s a fairer system"

                  Some people get multiple votes, and it makes vote counting needlessly complicated, when the government has already shown that they can't competently count votes. That's my objection to it. And no, I don't give a shit about palin or any other candidate.

                2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

                  No, RCV wasn't invented by Democrats but it is almost entirely supported by them. So technically correct is the best kind of correct:

                  Major funding to FairVote has come from a number of prominent left-of-center private grantmaking foundations and public charities, including the Laura and John Arnold Foundation, Omidyar Network Fund, Open Society Foundations, Jennifer and Jonathan Allan Soros Foundation, Democracy Fund, Tides Foundation, William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, Joyce Foundation, John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, Public Welfare Foundation, Soros Fund Charitable Foundation, Carnegie Corporation of New York, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, and Z. Smith Reynolds Foundation.

                  This is now usually the place where everyone repositions to "Ok, it's true but it's not as bad as you say" and then claim that the reason it's supported almost entirely by left-of-center political ideologues is because right-wingers don't care about Democracy and the only thing more prominent than their desire to destroy our democratic systems is the blood dripping off their fangs.

              2. mad.casual   2 years ago

                Examples on New York show the 4th highest round 1 vote winning the vote. That is not indicative as the most favorable candidate.

                That's the funniest 'celebratory parallax'/'revealed dishonesty' thing about it.

                There are ranked choice voting methods whereby you *can* know who had the most overall votes. Virtually unanimously, when someone refers to ranked-choice voting, they are not referring to those methods and are specifically calling it just "RCV" to obfuscate.

                RCV Advocate: "We need a voting method that's biased against mainstream candidates in favor of more extreme, disruptive candidates."
                Normies: "You mean *positively* extreme, disruptive candidates and not more people more likely to start literally lobbing molotov cocktails, right?"
                RCV Advocate: "I mean the voting method shouldn't discriminate against them in favor of mainstream candidates."

        3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          Nope. It’s a method for getting the guy you’re reasonably ok with even if he’s not your first choice.

          1: The person I want.
          2: The person I could live with.
          3: The person I don't give a shit about but dear god, hopefully won't make anything worse.

  53. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Huh, I guess Victoria Secret saw a significant drop in sales when they went woke, so they're dumping body positivity, I guess.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Yep, no fat chicks (and no trans chicks, and no ugly dyed-hair chicks...).

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        And no tattoos. God damn they're ugly. Look like the mange.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          A Victoria's Secret model would be the wrong sex and too old for you. Shit, Traci Lords in her early days would be too old for you, and still the wrong sex.

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            I would be only mildly surprised to see little boys in the next Victoria's Secret catalog.

        2. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

          Who tattoos children? Nobody Pluggo is interested in can legally get a tattoo.

  54. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    "I'm tired of talking about a Department of Defense. I want a Department of Offense," @NikkiHaley says

    Whatever she says is idiotic. Every time.

    1. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

      It's been a tough race for most awful candidate, but Haley is pulling ahead of Pence and Christie by a hair.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        It really is remakrable how she's managing to combine all the worst features of the non-Trump candidates into one stupid package. Total Jeb! energy from her.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        They're almost tied with the Democrats in the race, and that includes the current incumbent.

      3. R Mac   2 years ago

        Is anyone really ever worse than Christie though?

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          if he finds someone worse he just eats them.

          1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

            +++ ha!

          2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Pritzker?

            1. Dillinger   2 years ago

              might reach "old woman who swallowed a horse" level.

          3. markm23   2 years ago

            Is Taft's extra-large bathtub still in the White House? Would even that fit Christie? And how wide are the doors to the bedroom?

    2. Dillinger   2 years ago

      only if Kyle Shanahan gets to be Department of Offense Coordinator.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        Headline: In a Surprise Move, Vladimir Putin has Hired Jim Schwartz as His Department of Defense Coordinator.

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          John Facenda narrates all battles.

  55. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>The humanitarian crisis in Gaza remains dire

    did you see Chappelle's crowd walk out on him?

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Honestly, that was fucking hilarious. Chappelle criticized both sides of the conflict for being speds, the audience couldn't handle it, and he's still going to continue giving zero fucks because he's already set for life.

      1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

        Saw nothing about this, so I quickly looked and read a story.

        Seems this is Chappelle, being himself. Which is why he's a treasure.

        He doesn't shy away from controversial subjects, whether he's right or not. It's his perspective, he's going to use it to poke at people.

        And if you're overly sensitive you're extra fair game. But that's the sign to watch out for. If you're completely pissed off at him all the time, you're probably in need of a bit of self reflection.

  56. Dillinger   2 years ago

    Shalom, Governor! Grab an LMG and follow us.

  57. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>"This is my tenth term in Congress. This is probably one of the most embarrassing things I've seen," Rep. Michael McCaul (R–Texas)

    what's embarrassing is you living off us for two decades.

  58. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Doctors are using "clothes for bandages, vinegar for antiseptic, sewing needles for surgical ones,"

    ya ... still using rockets as rockets though so ...

    1. Mother's Lament - Professional Shrike Sock Spotter   2 years ago

      At least they're not wasting the surgical alcohol in their Molotov Cocktails on wounds and other gross stuff.

  59. mad.casual   2 years ago

    Possibly the most New York Timesy headline I have ever seen: "Climate change is keeping therapists up at night." I will save you some reading time: Every person described within is just as annoying as you're imagining, and yes, of course these consummate professionals live in the Pacific Northwest.

    Possibly the most "Shut up and take my money!" thing ever written at Reason.

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      I want to cheer the snark but the humanitarian crisis in Gaza remains dire.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Indeed. I remember many, MANY years ago I noted that in the Pac NW, a major point of friction in in the marriage counseling milieu was over recycling procedure. Someone came into the comments saying I was full of shit, and then I posted the article and the comment section gave a collective gasp.

  60. Dan S.   2 years ago

    Israel is squandering the sympathy and good will it garnered as a result of the October 7th terrorist attacks. 1200 people (mostly civilians, I think) killed is just horrific. But now 5100 or more have been killed in Gaza. That is not "self-defense". Sorry, it just isn't.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

      Sorry, it just isn’t.

      Are you a mentally retarded 4 yr. old? It’s not fair? So what? Are you going to put American lives on the line and involve us more directly by stipulating exactly how many people of what particular situation are allowed to be killed? Half the reason Israel is bombing rather than going door to door is because Biden insisted against invasion and your solution is that we should be policing the situation more?

      You remind me of the Karen, years ago, who didn’t like the way I frog marched Broodling No. 1 out of hardware store after he hit his brother in the face.

      Lady, it’s not your problem but if you keep it up, it’s going to be.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Your kids are Palestinians?

    2. AT   2 years ago (edited)

      Sorry, but who said anything about self-defense?

      It’s retaliation. It’s retribution. It’s war.

      Japan ambushed a naval base. Four years later we threw a death bomb at a major city in retaliation. And then another one when they didn’t get the message the first time around. Nazi Germany killed almost indiscriminately. We were already pissed, so we came back with a furious vengeance and wiped their entire culture off the face of the planet leaving its only remains to hide scattered in the winds for the rest of their days.

      If you think it’s some kind of tit-for-tat numbers game that separates the Good Guys from the Bad Guys, you’ve got a pathetically naive and/or openly biased evaluation going on.

      Self-defense is a justification/excuse for the use of force against an aggressor to prevent the threat of imminently perceived lethal harm. This is not that. This is war.

      This is the Bad Guys calling down the thunder, and now they’re getting it. And if they’re going to hide behind their women and children while they do, then those women and children know who’s really to blame.

    3. John C. Randolph   2 years ago

      Hamas is running the 1945 Nazi playbook. They know they're doomed, they know they deserve it, and they'll happily take as many people with them as possible, even if it's their own non-combatants, of they can delay justice for even one extra day. Sucks to be a Gazan, but their deaths are entirely Hamas's fault. If Hamas had any modicum of humanity, they'd let their own people evacuate.

      -jcr

  61. AT   2 years ago

    The humanitarian crisis in Gaza remains dire, with little electricity, food, and water available.

    Aww, *sadface*

    Want to solve that problem, Gaza? Unconditional surrender. Your Hamas leadership surrenders to war crime tribunals, your borders are erased, and "Palestine" stops being a thing that we pretend exists. If you don't want to stay in the newly remapped Israel, assistance will be provided to relocate you to Syria, Iran, or Lebanon.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      No way is Israel going to annex Gaza. They can't afford to dilute their Jewish State by adding 2 million Muslims.

      1. Minadin   2 years ago

        Who said anything about adding Muslims?

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          "If you don’t want to stay in the newly remapped Israel"

          Indicating they would be allowed to stay.

          1. AT   2 years ago

            If they want. Even if every one of them stayed (which you know they darn well wouldn't if Israel offered them relocation), they'd still be outnumbered 3:1. Which may be less impressive than the 4:1 they are now - but still, four million Hamas living under Jewish law/rule is a far cry better than two million Hamas operating under Arab law/rule.

    2. markm23   2 years ago

      Places like Gaza exist in the first place because Israel did not want the Arabs that had just tried to murder every Jew in the nation inside its borders, plotting to murder the Jews next door. Now Gazans are those Arabs' grandchildren and great-grandchildren, raised to hate Jews and dance in the streets in celebration of any successful mass murder. What makes you think Israel wants them any more than it wanted the first generation?

  62. John C. Randolph   2 years ago

    Hamas obeys no international laws, and they are therefore not entitled to the protection of diplomatic immunity. Qatar has a duty to arrest any Hamassholes on their territory and extradite them to Israel.

    -jcr

  63. Vesicant   2 years ago

    "Reason" shows its black, white, and green colors -- a 'humanitarian' crisis in Gaza? Gee, how did that happen, I wonder? Maybe because Hamas savages are anything but humanitarian? Nobody talked about a 'humanitarian crisis' in WW II Germany; the Germans were getting what they deserved. The "Palestinians" have had decades to get rid of Hamas, but haven't. That makes them complicit.

    And if you're not a US citizen, you have no First Amendment rights. Yeah yeah, maybe the Supreme Court in Doofus v Nitwit said different, but I don't care. Students on visas are guests in America, and hosts have the absolute right to get rid of obnoxious guests.

  64. markm23   2 years ago

    Nine new candidates for speaker, and only one name that I recognized. And that wasn't Jack Bergman, although I must have voted for him way back when I lived in Otsego County. (I certainly didn't vote for the Democrat!)

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