Amazon Gets Sued Bigly
Plus: Trump commits fraud, a hacker house cooks steak, progressive movements can't stop failing, and more...

Lina Khan is why we can't have nice things: Yesterday, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) sued Amazon, accusing it of suppressing competition and "illegally forcing sellers on its platform to use its logistics and delivery services in exchange for prominent placement and of punishing merchants who offer lower prices on competing sites," per Bloomberg.
"Amazon is a monopolist and it is exploiting its monopolies in ways that leave shoppers and sellers paying more for worse service," said FTC Chair Lina Khan to reporters.
The lawsuit attempts to substantiate this claim by noting that Amazon makes other sellers' products harder to find if they find their price has been undercut, so "sellers hike prices… due to fear of Amazon's penalties." (More on this by Reason's Joe Lancaster.)
"If the FTC gets its way, the result would be fewer products to choose from, higher prices, slower deliveries for consumers, and reduced options for small businesses—the opposite of what antitrust law is designed to do," said Amazon's general counsel David Zapolsky.
incredible. the biden admin has to prove "consumer harm," rather than "the concept of successful companies simply offends us," so after decades of complaints to the contrary they've decided to argue amazon charges *more* than its competitors. dangerous, unhinged ideologues. pic.twitter.com/s89xOSz02v
— Mike Solana (@micsolana) September 26, 2023
Here's another.
"Online superstore"?
Huh?
If Amazon is a clear monopoly, why such a tight market definition? Why not "online retail" or "online marketplace"?
Ah, right… because they compete with countless offline superstores and online and offline small stores/sellers. pic.twitter.com/5SUXtr12lM
— Patrick Hedger (@pat_hedger) September 26, 2023
Ah yes, we must put an end to the famously high prices on Amazon https://t.co/T2LuX2QLEE
— Eli Dourado (@elidourado) September 26, 2023
Check out Elizabeth Nolan Brown's excellent November 2023 cover story for more.
Fraudster-in-chief Judge Arthur Engoron ruled yesterday in a civil suit brought forth by New York's attorney general that former President Donald Trump committed fraud by overvaluing his assets and lying to banks and insurers to secure loans to build out his real estate empire.
"My Civil Rights have been violated," he wrote on Truth Social, "and some Appellate Court, whether Federal or State, must reverse this horrible, un-American decision. If they can do this to me, they can do this to YOU!"
"Under the ruling, limited liability companies that control some of Trump's key properties, such as 40 Wall Street, will be dissolved and authority over how to run them handed over to a receiver," reports the Associated Press. "Trump would lose his authority over whom to hire or fire, whom to rent office space to, and other key decisions."
Are Republicans really waging war on… poor people? Facing a possible government shutdown at midnight Saturday if they can't agree to spending bills, House Republicans are reportedly working on a proposal to "cut spending on 'discretionary' programs, a category that excludes programs such as Social Security and Medicare, by roughly 27 percent, except for the military budget and spending on veterans affairs," reports The Washington Post. Federal Pell Grants for low-income college students, Head Start programs that serve poor children and families, and affordable housing grants would all be affected by these cuts.
House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (D–Calif.) is hoping to fund the federal government for all of fiscal year 2024 with these concessions to the far-right contingent concerned about government spending running amok, but even with the roughly $150 billion in proposed cuts, the bill may still not be a winner. "House Republican officials have discussed another $60 billion in spending cuts," reports the Post, "but it is unclear if such a measure would prove sufficient to appease the remaining conservative holdouts."
It's not exactly a winning PR move to slash the programs that serve needy toddlers and first-generation college kids, but there's an important fundamental truth at the heart of the fiscal hawks' concerns: government spending simply cannot continue at current levels with no consequences. Higher-than-usual inflation resulted, in part, from the COVID stimulus checks doled out by the federal government. The bill always comes due in the end.
Meanwhile, in the Senate, Republicans and Democrats have agreed to a stopgap bill that would allow the federal government to remain funded until mid-November while devoting $6 billion to the war effort in Ukraine. If brought to a vote, the bill is likely to face massive resistance in the House.
Reports of impending doom are majorly exaggerated: Will the government shutdown actually result in "hunger for millions" as Reuters and several Biden administration officials claim? "Nearly half of U.S. newborns rely on WIC, the USDA says," according to Reuters. But that's not true; WIC is a means-tested program and nowhere near half of U.S. infants are eligible for it, or living in poverty. I debunked such claims yesterday.
Even if this claim were true, many poor people in the U.S. receive multiple types of welfare. If WIC benefits were temporarily suspended due to the government shutdown, SNAP would still be issued for the entire month of October, for example.
Perhaps the best possible way forward would be for Congress to consider cutting non-means-tested entitlements like Social Security that comprise such a hefty portion of the federal budget. Oh, wait. That would mean possibly jeopardizing their chances of getting reelected, and we couldn't have that.
Scenes from New York:
Denizens of a hacker house pulled off an elaborate New York City dining scene prank on Saturday night.
"The menu purported to follow the life cycle of a cow. As diners at the pop-up's 35 tables tucked into courses like Meadows Bring Life (a mixed green salad), Youth: Ever Precious, Ever Fleeting (veal meatballs) and Agrarian Synergies (bruschetta with mozzarella), some diners became suspicious," reported The New York Times.
Last Saturday, 65 of us made a five-star steak dinner for 100+ guests at New York's highest-rated steakhouse: Mehran's Steak House
The full story: pic.twitter.com/iNlPKOxWtn
— Mehran Jalali (@mehran__jalali) September 26, 2023
It's frankly impressive that this group was able to study restaurant economics, conscript their friends into "working" for them for one night only, and successfully dupe bougie diners. Mad props.
QUICK HITS
- There's another Republican presidential debate tonight. (Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not happy about this either!) Candidates, minus Donald Trump, will spar at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, tonight starting at 9 p.m. ET. If Vivek Ramaswamy starts to rap Eminem at any point, I will smash my TV with a sledgehammer. Consider him warned.
- AI passing the Odor Turing Test?
- Why is it that the three progressive movements of the last 15 years—Occupy Wall Street, #MeToo, and Black Lives Matter—have all fallen so short of their goals?
- Since I don't have anything nice to say, I won't be saying anything at all:
What do you think about RFK Jr running on the Libertarian Party ticket? pic.twitter.com/PiSzxko4rH
— Being Libertarian (@beinlibertarian) September 25, 2023
- Pivot to solar?
- San Francisco's mayor will face a challenger.
- "What if Xi Jinping isn't that competent?" asks Noah Smith at Noahpinion.
Apocalyptic rhetoric around migration is absurd. A smaller % of the population is an immigrant today than 150 years ago, when basically annnyone could just show up. That's also how the southern border worked for generations—there were half a dozen amnesties in the 20th century! https://t.co/KjbrNdvTK3 pic.twitter.com/O8RpGo8Ngv
— Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) September 26, 2023
- A fascinating history of the classical education movement.
- Your daily rage read from Coleman Hughes for The Free Press on the backlash his TED talk defending color blindness inspired internally.
- Timothy B. Lee and Sean Trott explain how large language models work while using "minimum math and jargon" in their post (exactly what wordcels like me need).
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Fraudster-in-chief Judge Arthur Engoron ruled yesterday....
That could probably use a comma or semi-colon or something.
Chuckle.
For a man using the judiciary to steal what another man created it seems correct as is. That is what this is, eliminating Trump's ability to run his business and installing "correct" people through the receivership to run it in a regime approved way.
The dems in NYC are determined to destroy their entire corporate and residential market.
Punctuation is important and means something. I'm guessing this is intentional by Liz.
She's not wrong.
I'm curious to see if she'll find a way to sneak around the Koch moratorium on reporting on Biden's bribery scandal.
News about fake scandals needs to be reported.
To think this is the guy sarc and Mike love to defend. Lol.
What makes it "fake", Pluggo?
Explain yourself. I'll help get you started. Tell us why you think that there's "No Evidence".
It's bolded to set it off from the following sentence, but there's no colon or other punctuation like the other headers.
It's the ambiguity that makes it perfect.
I haven’t been following this case, and haven’t verified any of this, but if this is true this is insane:
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1706838593086668946
Did the judge really claim Mar A Lago is only worth 18-40 million?
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1620-S-Ocean-Blvd-Palm-Beach-FL-33480/46846912_zpid/
Who knows more about real estate values than a judge?
Other judges agree.
Who knows more about Florida real estate values than a judge from New York City, at that?
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Next to Mar-A-Lago, and worth $18,950,000.00. 0.28 acres, built in 2009.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/153-Kings-Rd-Palm-Beach-FL-33480/46846800_zpid/
There is no way in hell Mar-A-Lago is worth only $18 million if that, almost next door, and much smaller, away from the ocean, is worth $18 million.
"Did the judge really claim Mar A Lago is only worth 18-40 million?"
The FBI and the Epstein Files must have some incredible shit on that judge.
The judge involved is a Democrat, and he apparently has an ax to grind against Trump.
That value was based on a previous tax assessment. It is unclear if Donald Trump asked for the loan during that period. Also, worth noting that Mara Lago is under a number of restrictions from the local community that can influence the value. It appears it cannot be broken into smaller lots or sold as a residence. I'm not sure that the former President is a resident or just perhaps a long-time guest.
Tax assessments rarely match sales prices on homes dumdum.
The only real test ls the actual sale. Let see if Trump can actually get the price he said the property was worth.
See below for deed restriction because that will affect the sale price..
The rest of the story; Trump claimed it was valued over a billion dollars because he could subdivide it into multiple residential properties. One small issue: the deed itself restricts subdivision so it cannot be subdivided. Someone who bought Mar a Lago from Trump would be subject to the same deed restriction Trump is.
Is it possible to remove the restriction? Yes. Has Trump taken steps to do so? No. Its possible the attempt to modify the deed restriction would be rejected – dramatically lowering Trump’s estimate of what it is worth in the “absolute best case scenario” which is what he does for a lot of his estimates. He pulls them out of his own ass, declares that the Trump brand itself is worth billions, so anything attached to it (like say his condo in NYC) is automatically worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
Everybody should read the court order granting partial summary judgment for the Atty Gen and denying Trump’s motion for summary judgment/motion to dismiss. You know its juicy when each of Trump’s lawyers was sanctioned $7500 each for their frivolous filing but where you get a nice lesson in comparing Trump’s fantasy land valuations with reality. Oh and a bit of a lesson on generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP). Which of course Trump doesn’t follow.
Which part of GAAP?, I didn't catch this in the case and I'd be curious to see if judge has it right.
He won't respond. He doesn't even know a common practice of real estate he is criticizing.
You just described the entire commercial real estate industry. Estimates if split lots for full valuation remaining unsplit to limit taxes. This is such an accepted norm at this point as to be laughable. Literally every major single producer home division acts in this manner.
You also ignore the banks are free to obtain their own valuations. There is no requirement they accept Trumps.
Are you sure you’re a lawyer?
No, but he plays one on the internet.
I’m convinced he’s not.
“You know its juicy when each of Trump’s lawyers was sanctioned $7500 each for their frivolous filing but where you get a nice lesson in comparing Trump’s fantasy land valuations with reality.”
The Nazi’s always tip their hats in the end.
Tell us how 20 acre Mar a Lago is worth 18 million when 0.9 acre plots around it are selling for 30-40 million.
Thanks for the breakdown on the deed restrictions.
Everyone should understand that banks and insurers get independent appraisals and don’t take property owners at their word. This is just another political persecution.
The rest of the story; Trump claimed it was valued over a billion dollars because he could subdivide it into multiple residential properties.
I do not see this in the lawsuit. The ruling claims it was valued by a Palm Beach County Assessor at $18-$27 million from 2011-2021, while Trump claimed $427-$612 million. That seems to be the factual basis in which the judge claimed it was overvalued.
But this is a massive beachfront property in a rich county with neighboring properties selling for $20-$40 million despite being 5% of the acreage. The assessor is simply wrong. Forbes estimated the value of that property at $350 million last year. Less than Trump claims, sure, but within a reasonable margin that might come down to selling a deal.
Timothy B. Lee and Sean Trott explain how large language models work while using "minimum math and jargon" in their post (exactly what wordcels like me need).
I'm just wondering what a "wordcel" is...Is that someone who abstains from words?
Liz certainly doesn't abstain from words...and, in my mind at least, nothing else.
🙂
😉
Denizens of a hacker house pulled off an elaborate New York City dining scene prank on Saturday night.
New Yorker humor escapes me I guess.
Yeah I don't get how this is humorous. Seems kind of lame.
Local news. Who cares?
At best it seems to be making fun of the pretentiousness of the NYC urban professional class. At worst it was fraud, albeit relatively harmless fraud. I am not sure, since most of the meat of the story is behind the NYT paywall, which I am not interested enough to get through.
Harmless fraud seems an oxymoron.
You left out "relatively". The "harmless" part was not an absolute judgement.
Fyre Festival did it better...
...there's an important fundamental truth at the heart of the fiscal hawks' concerns: government spending simply cannot continue at current levels with no consequences.
Obviously the winning idea is to put off those consequences, onto the needy toddlers and first-generation college kids later in their lives.
Keep kicking that can down the road!
"Amazon is a monopolist and it is exploiting its monopolies in ways that leave shoppers and sellers paying more for worse service,"
Wal-Mart on line 2 - - - - - - - -
WalMart - when you want to buy a metric wrench labeled with imperial units.
Perhaps the best possible way forward would be for Congress to consider cutting non-means-tested entitlements like Social Security...
BREAKING NEWS: LIZ WOLFE WANTS SENIORS EATING CAT FOOD.
How will they afford drugs and abortions?
A long, long time ago, in a country right here, there was a draft, and all young men learned to handle firearms. It turns out you can hold on to a walker and still hold a pistol. "You" took 15% of my earnings by force. If you stop giving it back as promised, I will take it.
(OK, I will die trying to take it; but the optics will be bad for the rulers)
Maybe this is the real reason why they wanted to ban pistol braces? Don't want those uppity olds with walkers having decent aim.
Let me stop paying 12.5% of my salary and have at it. They can keep what I already gave.
Screw that noise. I want mine back.
It's already means tested. If your income is over a certain amount social security is taxed at rates set back in the Reagan years.
between $25,000 and $34,000, you may have to pay income tax on up to 50 percent of your benefits. more than $34,000, up to 85 percent of your benefits may be taxable.
So if you make more than 25 grand you're rich, but if your wages are less than 200 grand you're poor.
Have you seen the prices and quality of pet food nowadays? They have it better off than humans, including refrigerated entrees and ice cream.
'"Amazon is a monopolist and it is exploiting its monopolies in ways that leave shoppers and sellers paying more for worse service," said FTC Chair Lina Khan to reporters.'
Hey, Lina. Now do the federal government.
If this government is attacking Amazon, then Amazon probably wants it.
Just look at the way Amazon is dressed!
The revolving door between administration employees and Amazon executive suites is much the same as with Google. The Democrats haven't coopted these companies, rather the other way around.
I’ll keep saying this: The current regime is legitimately fascist, by definition.
Based on the states supporting it is a funding mechanism.
Denizens of a hacker house pulled off an elaborate New York City dining scene prank on Saturday night.
In NYC this seems like it would be more illegal than actual systems hacking.
They'll indict Trump for this.
We should indict him for being indicted so much, just to be indic…err, I mean safe.
There's another Republican presidential debate tonight. (Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not happy about this either!)
God love 'em, apparently they're hoping Trump's heart will give out before next November.
Not an unrealistic possibility considering his age and that his stress level never seems to dip below 11.
Cite?
Elon Musk is still looking to get assassinated.
Have you heard dis information?
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Yes there were half a dozen amnesties
1. Dems push for amnesties
2. Republicans say no
3. Dems promise something Republicans want in the future
4 Republicans agree
5 democrats never follow through
Always Charlie Brown and never Lucy.
At some point, Charlie Brown needed to ignore the ball and just kick the shit out of the girl.
Metaphorically speaking, of course. It's Charlie Brown, not Bobby Brown.
That's kinda of what Bill Clinton did with the budget process when he had the line item veto.
Negotiate the budget by giving the Rs what they wanted in exchange what the Ds wanted, then line item veto a lot of what the Rs wanted.
"Are Republicans really waging war on… poor people?"
See Thomas Sowell, and many others, on how the Democratic programs of the 1960s and 70s institutionalized poverty, crime, and dysfunction among poor people. And how Democratic policies have continued to fuck over poor people.
Isn't Thomas Sowell a white supremacist?
AI passing the Odor Turing Test?
Click on each square that smells like a diesel bus.
Why is it that the three progressive movements of the last 15 years—Occupy Wall Street, #MeToo, and Black Lives Matter—have all fallen so short of their goals?
Correction: stated goals.
Yeah, stated goals or actual goals? Big difference, potentially.
The goals of the individual activist (aka 'useful idiot') might not be congruent with that of their overlords.
I haven’t seen anything to indicate Occupy Wallstreet wasn’t legitimate (although I wasn’t really paying attention to such things at that time) but the other two were most certainly scams.
I'm not sure that Occupy Wall Street had any articulable goals. Other than to see how much ordinary people would put up with in the form of 'protests'. Toe in the water.
Also some of them may think Dodd Frank was an accomplishment of theirs. Others Occupiers would probably point to it being a sell out; anything less than communism being a failure.
But I also don't recall occupy ever having raising any money and creating an organization that wasted it all.
“But I also don’t recall occupy ever having raising any money and creating an organization that wasted it all.”
Yeah, this is what I was referring to.
Yeah. I did not LOVE OWS, but they were measures better than the other two which were outright scams.
OWS could have been a big movement...if far leftie morons did not hijack it as utterly as they did.
"if far leftie morons did not hijack it as utterly as they did."
What do you mean? All the big companies put rainbow flags on their twitter accounts in June now! OWS won!
OWS and LGBTQ have very little overlap on the Venn Diagram, at least economically. LGBTQ want equal opportunity and appreciate corporate Pride floats, but would definitely balk at having their shops confiscated by a bunch of Robiespierre Mini-Mes.
It was a joke about how the identity politics crowd took over the OWS movement towards the end and then the whole thing fizzled out.
OWS was, originally, not THAT far removed from the views of the Tea Party.
They only thing they had in common was opposing corporate bailouts.
The Tea Parties–before they got co-opted by GOP Establishment types and Religious Right types–was in favor of cutting taxes, cutting government spending, and Free-Market Capitalism.
The Occupy Wall Street mob wanted to replace corporate bailouts with nationalization, collectivization, more taxes, Universal Basic Income, cradle-to-grave “free shit,” and all variants of Socialism.
Yeah, different impetus. Corporate and bank bailouts while regular folks were completely fucked, as opposed to fundamentally nationalizing 15% of the economy at great personal expense.
Still, they were both against making risk public and profit private. The OWS got really fucking wacky, though, which is why I was convinced it was organic. People were just pissed, and didn't have a single response that fit on a bumper sticker, they just knew that giving money to the same bankers that caused the problem wasn't exactly good policy.
The extremist wack-job takeover I don't think was organic. OR not entirely. That felt like a certain number of bad actors doing what they could to delegitimize that whole thing. But, I'm cynical, I think I see shit like that happen, a lot.
Are you kidding? Occupy Wall Street was the prelude Beta version of the homeless encampments we see in the cities nowadays, complete with outdoor shitting and pissing, open alcohol and drug abuse, and violent crimes. They were awful inside and out, from first to last, from beginning to end.
That doesn’t explain how I was walking over homeless encampments just to get from my car to my job, in Santa Monica way back in 1989.
Yeah, mike. It’s exactly the same. Nothing to see here.
Lol.
Don't forget the Clinton Gobble Initiative.
The Occupy Charlotte, NC chapter opened up a manhole in the street and used the hole as a dumpster and a sewer, sponged free biscuits from that awful Capitalist conglomerate Bojangle's, then broke up when members sued each other over, get this, trademark infringement in use of the Occupy name and symbol, which, IIRC, were public domain.
Idealistic bright bulbs. /Sarc
We had CHAZ.
I think Seattle wins... whatever the hell contest this would be.
Here's some OWS nostalgia courtesy of Reason.tv and Remy:
Remy Occupy Wall Street Protest Somg
https://youtu.be/4QTfNEDgusQ?si=H1LtBdamH1ZeEVT4
Anti-Semitic Protester at Occupy Wall Street--LA
https://youtu.be/IMjm4LxFa1c?si=wg7cjg91xbJh7jYi
What do you think about RFK Jr running on the Libertarian Party ticket?
Sounds about right.
Given "bake the cake bigot" Johnson" and "marxist racism is cool" Jorgenson I don't see how eco-commie RFK is off brand. He's got a number of takes I can agree with but when he goes off the deep end he's off the deep end.
About the same as them running Bill Weld on their ticket.
But I don't think of him.
Would possibly be better than the last two candidates...but that is more of a condemnation of them than praise of him.
No more political dynasties please.
Pivot to solar?
We all know that only the sun can stop our warming.
"President Donald Trump committed fraud by overvaluing his assets"
I guess anyone who thought their home or car was worth more than what the purchaser did, is now fucked.
This is such a corrupt ruling it makes your head spin. I'm actually interested in hearing how the Shrikes and Sarc will legitimize it.
More questions for Shrike, Mike and Sarc.
Pretending that assigning a value is fraud, who was the victim? Please explain. The banks? They were all paid. The insurance companies? They actually got to charge more based on the higher appraisals. So WHO was the victim?
You don't want to know what I really think. You just want to practice arguments against the voices in your head. So keep practicing. I'll stay out of it.
You were free to state what you think but you refused. Why?
Because you guys already stated what I think and what you expect me to defend. You don't need my involvement.
Really weird you won’t just give your opinion.
Poor sarc.
So you claim people don’t know what you think despite your posting and then refuse to say what you think. Makes sense.
When you intentionally misrepresented my argument yesterday I easily countered your idiocy by again restating what I said. You refuse to do this hiding behind what you think are rhetorical tricks to hide your beliefs. Then cry when people point it out.
Also find it funny you went to the bottom of the thread 4 minutes later to try to set up a claim after being called out.
Called out 20 minutes ago. Posted after in a corner 16 minutes ago.
If you really want to know, scroll down.
Or you can keep arguing with the voices in your head.
I knew you would try to lie about this so I saved the timestamps below. Lol.
Fucking dumbass.
I saved the timestamps below
You need a new obsession.
It's an interesting racket you've got. You're constantly demanding proof you did X, and then when people provide proof you call them "creepy stalkers".
Imagine how much grief you would save if you posted your thoughts instead of:
Failing at sarcasm
Failing at rhetorical tricks
Failing at victim signaling
And most importantly...
Saying stupid shit.
Evidence.
sarcasmic 28 mins ago
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You don’t want to know what I really think. You just want to practice arguments against the voices in your head. So keep practicing. I’ll stay out of it.
JesseAz 20 mins ago
You were free to state what you think but you refused. Why?
sarcasmic 17 mins ago
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That’s probably true, considering his dearth of ethics. But where’s the victim? Why didn’t the banks and insurance companies do their own evaluations? Sure what he did was slimy, but who was harmed?
What's your point? That I posted what I think in a stand alone comment rather than playing your stupid game? Boo fucking hoo. Go cry to your mommy.
You did so only after being called out by multiple people.
Thought it was pretty clear.
And the timestamps make clear your intentions.
Timestamps show my intentions? The fuck does that mean? Oh yeah, it's the voices in your head again.
The point is that you evaded answering, trollboy.
You claim butter wouldn't melt in your mouth, but nothing you actually do here is in good faith.
You tell me what I think and what stance I'm going to defend, then claim I'm the one not acting in good faith?
At least you're consistent in accusing me of what you are doing, while you are doing it.
"You tell me what I think and what stance I’m going to defend"
I did neither. I asked you a question and then you spent twenty posts evading it. And now you lie about what I did.
See, that's some really bad faith you're pulling even now.
I’m actually interested in hearing how the Shrikes and Sarc will legitimize it.
You stated what I believe and what you expect me to defend.
More questions for Shrike, Mike and Sarc.
Pretending that assigning a value is fraud, who was the victim? Please explain. The banks? They were all paid. The insurance companies? They actually got to charge more based on the higher appraisals. So WHO was the victim?
Again you already determined what I believed and what I was going to defend.
That's called acting in bad faith.
So as usual you are accusing me of what you are doing, while you are doing it.
Go ahead and get the last word in if you feel the need. Either way I'm done responding to your bullshit.
And to think if you just posted what you posted after being backed into a corner, youd have a point.
"That’s called acting in bad faith."
Sigh, no.
Bad faith consists of entertaining or pretending to entertain one set of feelings while acting as if influenced by another, and is intentionally deceiving of others, or self-deception. Like when you pretend to be libertarian or both sides, but repeat Democratic Party talking points all day.
You do this on purpose don't you? "Straw man", "Tu quoque", "Bad Faith"... I've never seen you correctly identify one of them yet. I'm starting to think that you do it deliberately.
“More questions for Shrike, Mike and Sarc.”
Huh? I’m not even in this conversation.
You know, JesseAz or Mother’s or whoever sarcasmic is quoting, if you yearn to have conversations with me all you have to do is stop lying all the time and grow some manners and I’ll unmute you.
Caw caw!
Didn’t you just claim last week you weren’t white knight?
Don’t you claim you’re never given citations despite being given 100s of them?
Funny how both you and sarc claim people are lying about what you said while at the same time calling people stalkers for posting what you said.
"All you have to do is stop lying all the time"
Aren't you the guy who claimed he saw Babbit crawling through a window, yesterday?
Um, yes, yes Laursen was.
https://reason.com/2023/09/26/shut-it-all-down-2/?comments=true#comment-10251047
Mike Laursen 1 day ago (edited)
It was. At least in the case of Ashli Babbitt, who was in the act of crawling through the broken window of a barricaded room. She brought it on herself.
You can be offended with my lack of concern for a bunch of rioters trying to disrupt the peaceful, civil transition of power in our country. I am offended that you seemingly don’t give a shit about what they were attempting to do to American democracy.
I don’t call him Mike Liarson for nothing.
"You were free to state what you think but you refused. Why?"
Because he's a lying pile of steaming lefty shit.
Look up the word 'disgorgement.' You don't need 'victims' to pull off business fraud.
Those poor finance wizards in the banks were duped!
Also, every time the personal property assessor sends me a notice that my car has been valued at something like 20% of the market rate . . .
So what does this ruling say about all those Wall Street firms, or have they paid the proper tithes to the cathedral.
Dude, Orange Man Bad.
See my comments above in response to Fist.
By this logic, all 401ks and the stocks contained therein are illegal.
Shutting down Trump by axing wall st wasn’t on my TDS bingo.
They are so desperate to get him by any mean necessary that I think they'll do anything at this point just to get at the man. He's called them out, and is seen (right or wrong) as the champion of the ignored masses. They hate him for this. They hate him because he beat their insider champion in 2016. They hate him because he's running again and has a shot at winning in 2024.
I think they'd try to suspend the Constitution just to beat him down.
I think they’d try to suspend the Constitution just to beat him down.
And this is when the shit really gets rolling.
I do want to know where the judge arrived at his figure from. And if he's off, can he be charged with fraud?
Obama state department deeply linked to Iranian state backed group during Iran Nuclear Deal.
https://redstate.com/jeffc/2023/09/26/shocking-shadowy-iranian-youth-network-secretly-influences-americas-foreign-policy-n2164340
Three of the IEI’s core members were closely tied to Robert Malley, the diplomat who played a pivotal role in hammering out the 2015 nuclear deal. Ariane Tabatabai, a former Middle East fellow at the German Marshall Fund of the United States, joined Malley’s team at the State Department to help with Iran negotiations in 2021. Ali Vaez, the Iran Project Director at the Crisis Group, was sought by Malley for a government appointment. Dina Esfandiary, another Iran analyst, joined up with the International Crisis Group in early 2021 and was also a member of the IEI.
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Malley was stripped of his security clearance earlier this year and placed on full unpaid leave pending a State Department investigation. The reason for this development has not been confirmed by the State Department.
It’s perfectly fine to allow the Fox to design the hen house security.
How sad is it that this doesn’t surprise me one bit?
Explains the Dems insistence on working with Iran on a nuclear deal.
San Francisco's mayor will face a challenger.
Unless the challenger's name is something like Madrid Mate or Paris Impregnate, not interested.
Can we perhaps compromise on another name that sounds like it came from the American Kennel Club?
Canterbury Terrier?
Italian Shepherd?
It's a Levi Strauss heir, Dan Lurie. He could change it to Levi Genes.
Republicans are trying to destroy democracy!
Instead of accepting defeat, Republicans have introduced a new candidate for this election. They want to bog the public down with constant elections until the public stops bothering to vote except their cultish, die-hard fans.
Re-elect Mayor Hofwinger and show Republicans that we won't back down, and we can put a stop to these constant elections and carry out the will of the people: for Hofwinger to be mayor for life.
ACT NOW!
Wire transfers from China listed Joe Bidens home address.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-received-250k-wire-from-beijing-with-beneficiary-address-listed-as-joe-biden-delaware-home
The 46th piece of NO EVIDENCE.
Yep.
The translator made an error on the address.
Gotcha! That wire transfer isn’t notarized.
DemonRat headline:
Chinese philanthropists reward Biden for a job well done
"We really believe in helping people, and we want the American people to live their best possible life. That's why we financially support competent government, and endorse Joe Biden for 2024."
lol
Child migrants keep getting shipped across the borders as a form of cheap labor.
https://gbi.georgia.gov/press-releases/2023-09-18/gbi-echols-county-sheriffs-office-arrest-lake-park-woman-involved-human
"What if Xi Jinping isn't that competent?"
The commies have never been competent, or even had to be. They simply throw bodies at whatever situation.
A smaller % of the population is an immigrant today than 150 years ago, when basically annnyone could just show up.
Absolutely no difference between today and 1873.
When we eliminate cars, plastics and air conditioning, and we all travel on trains, it will be just like 1873.
What powered those trains in 1873?
Wire transfers to the Senate and House.
I'd be fine with those levels of immigration if we went back to those levels of state and federal spending as well.
"Why is it that the three progressive movements of the last 15 years—Occupy Wall Street, #MeToo, and Black Lives Matter—have all fallen so short of their goals?"
I don't know. Maybe the real goal of BLM was always to funnel money and awards to famous black people (Kendi, NHJ, etc.) who say what white liberals want to hear. By that standard it's been a smashing success.
Occupy Wall Street, OTOH, was always a joke. I suspect most of those phony radicals from yesteryear are now voting the way billionaires want them to and demanding billionaire-friendly policies like looser borders.
We had a bit of a laugh when the City of St. Louis shut off the power to the outdoor electrical outlets at City Hall and the Occupy demonstrators couldn't charge their smartphones for 'free' anymore.
Oh, man, they were NOT happy about that. Not one bit.
I always loved the interviews with the clueless participants.
Someone asked an Occupier how they would get anything they want in life without business.
The Wavy Gravy-esque Occupier replied: "We'll feed each other, Man! We'll house each other! We'll clothe each other! We'll luuuuuuuve each other!"
Given their hygiene and thuggery which they "dealt with" as "an internal matter," I'll pass on their offers on all counts.
A fascinating history of the classical education movement.
How many times a day does your Reason Roundup host think about Rome?
Every time they remember that the Roman phrase 'vigilantes et boni oculi'.
All of Reason was divided into three parts.
Sex workers, illegals, and druggies?
...the backlash his TED talk defending color blindness inspired internally.
A tale as old as progressivism.
As always...
Greenwald points out neocons now support democrats.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1705953180473827782
Buttplug nods approvingly
Stating the obvious for the past 6-8 years.
neocons continue supporting democrats.
FTFY. From W Wilson to Clintons. Also should point out they still have plenty of Republican supporters as well.
The neocons were always just power hungry fucks with war boners who were friendly with big corpos.
They have found a perfect home with the unlimited-Ukraine-aid, proxy war at all costs, big pharma/big tech democrat party.
The merger of the uniparty is near complete
He pointed that out two or three years ago in both video and long-form tweets.
Tom Bevan
@TomBevanRCP
Stunning numbers among Dems in RCOR's new poll on free speech and censorship:
47% of Dems say free speech should be legal 'only under certain circumstances.
34% of Dems say Americans 'have too much freedom'
75% of Dems say government has a responsibility to censor 'hateful' social media posts
Only 31% strongly agree with the statement, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.'
These opinions are the products of weak minds.
Democrats are the new fascists.
Coincidentally, they are also the old fascists.
^^
Wondering where Jeff went?
There is a Kid’s TV show in the Netherlands called ‘Simply Naked’ where adults get naked in front of children. In this episode a transgender got undressed in front of 10 and 12-year-olds.
Shrike hosts the American version in his basement.
Knottsberry Farm saw Disney's successes and said "Me too".
The amusement park @knotts has an attraction called “Knott’s Scary Farm” which is open to kids. It includes this show which has people dressed up as Satan in bondage/fetish gear, dancing extremely provocatively.
They’re after your kids.
A lot of Fundamentalist Christian churches have their own haunted houses called Hell Houses near Hallowe'en time that portray drug users, alcoholics, LGBTQ, and other sinners and unbelievers as burning in Hell for all eternity.
Hell House--Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_house
Evidently, a whole of people are after the children.
Damn Christians discouraging kids from being druggies and alcoholics.
I would think referring to reality would be a better approach to alcohol and drug problems.
As for sexual orientation and blasphemy and impure thoughts, those "sins" are invented nonsense and no one should scare the shit out of children over them.
Yeah, you can complain about that when they don bondage wear and start strip teasing in front of the kids.
Seriously Encog, you’re into bondage stuff aren’t you? Doesn’t it piss you off that these people are trying to associate your sexuality with kids?
No I'm not into Bondage. Pan does not necessarily mean practicing all fetishes.
I do think anything that you can say about performances that should be for adults only goes equally for the Grim Fairy Tales in Abrahamic and Vedic scriptures.
I would never read that bloody, gruesome, scary, sickening, unjust, and ridiculous junk to little children and I don't even use four-letter words when I know children are around.
That dude is a wild follow.
Timothy B. Lee and Sean Trott explain how large language models work while using "minimum math and jargon" in their post...
They already lost me.
Under the ruling, limited liability companies that control some of Trump's key properties, such as 40 Wall Street, will be dissolved and authority over how to run them handed over to a receiver...
Finally, we're nationalizing Trump.
Trump would lose his authority over whom to hire or fire...
He should have trademarked "you're fired" when he had the chance.
Was that deliberate, or some kind of Freudian slip? Either way, well done.
They should start putting rino in front of the state
Amazon is a monopolist and it is exploiting its monopolies in ways that leave shoppers and sellers paying more for worse service...
NANNY ME HARDER.
The 3 progressive movements have accomplished their goals The main goals were
1. Create a more dividedbsociety
2. Ruined the lives of who they disagree with 3. Take money and run
Yeah, they only fell short if you believed their stated goals were anything other than bullshit.
Blm website said their goal was the destruction of western society
Well in that case I guess they have fallen short (so far) because western society hasn't been destroyed (yet).
George Carlin gives us a valuable reminder.
He was right about many things.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QPquJyK099Y
DRUMPF!
Carlin's absolutely right. Trump is a rat, but he's a fluffy bunny rabbit next to your party's darlings, Sarckles.
And he still was the best president the US has had in almost a century.
Shouldn't you be defending Anthony Rota?
Dod you just tell ML what he thinks?
It's different when he does it.
If it wasn't for blatant hypocrisy he would have nothing at all.
Alcohol. He’d still have alcohol.
Until the bottles are empty.
Shouldn't you? You're the one with the Ukrainian flag sticker on the back of your 98 Kia.
You drive a Kia in the Canadian winters? How's that working out?
My wife drives a Kia Telluride in Michigan. It’s a great vehicle. It’s a ‘22, not a ‘98 though.
Ha. You think he can afford a kia.
I'm no fancy-schmancy lawyer, I'm just a simple aerospace engineer who understands the meaning of words like "theft" and "taking," but how is that not an illegal taking? I sounds like they're literally taking his property and giving it to someone else. Unless there's some nuance there I'm missing.
Perhaps, as an engineer, you misunderstood the word "ruling"?
When a judge in a court of law does it, it is no longer theft or ILLEGAL taking.
(Although as an engineer, I doubt you confuse a court of law with a hall of justice)
I thought there was supposed to be this thing called the fourth amendment of the constitution that was supposed to prevent the government from taking people's shit, but I guess I was wrong.
As long as you and your other lawyer friends pretend there was due process involved, the government can take whatever they want, under just about any novel legal theory.
The Court dissolved their business licenses so the businesses no longer exist. When a business no longer has legal authority to operate, the process to wind it down (to a close) involves appointing an independent outside party to oversee that. If they sell the properties, the govt doesn't keep it. It would go to whoever is entitled to receive it (Trump was at one point the sole beneficiary of The donald J trump trust which was the parent owner of all the subsidiary LLC's). I think now its Don Jr and maybe Weisselberg along with Trump?? He plays lots of shell games so who knows.
Think a bit logically here. He has been found to be liable for long term business fraud. The Court is NOT going to turn around and the let the fraudster commit even more fraud. So an independent administrator takes over, sells everything, pays its bills and closes or sells the businesses.
You ask others to think logically as you ignore the constant barrage of lawsuits identifying a man and not a crime whose DAs ran on going after a man and not a crime.
In this case a ” crime ” in such common practice that every major home builder in the US utilizes similar practices.
Youre literally cheerleading on lawfare for political reasons.
Are you sure you’re an attorney? You come across as a liberal activist.
KB homes for example will not subdivide their land for tax purposes as they build up a subdivision part by part. They are a company. They limit their taxation through not subdividing what is not currently being built. For investment docs they utilize the full cost of the land as if fully divided. This is a common practice. Yet you are cheerleading going after someone you hate for using this practice.
On top of that every fucking loan was paid back. It wasn’t the banks who initiated a suit, but a political activist who won the DA election. You have no problem with this.
Youre a political activist. Not a lawyer.
"Youre a political activist. Not a lawyer."
Sorta. windycityattorney is really a steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit who should fuck off and die
Yep, that’s what’s happening.
Our favorite Reasonistas together and they'll make you a sandwich... or at least bake you a cake.
Hot Stuff!!! with Liz Wolfe and Nancy Rommelmann. Episode 1: Baking Disasters
Hot Stuff!!! with Liz Wolfe and Nancy Rommelmann. Episode 2: Citrus!
Or roll you a joint.
If there's going to be a cake, a smoke would be a great appetizer. Totally give you the munchies before a plate of sweet stuff.
Crazy talk! Next you'll imply that maybe not every penny spent on the DoD is sacrosanct.
If Vivek Ramaswamy starts to rap Eminem at any point, I will smash my TV with a sledgehammer.
Liz isn't a fan of The Swamp-Rat?
She must be a Democrat!
Hoping she's joined your party?
The Gridlock Party? She might just do that.
I know she isn't a Bible-Beating Conservative, Big Government Trumpist, or Prog.
AUTHOR PROFILE
Liz Wolfe
lizzywol
Liz Wolfe is managing editor of Young Voices, a contributing writer for Playboy, and a freelance writer living in Austin, Texas. Her work has appeared in the Daily Beast, The Atlantic’s CityLab, Newsweek, USA Today, and Reason Magazine.
The Daily Beast?
Isn't that on your Ban List?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Do you know what free lance means?
Pluggo probably thinks "free lance" is a porno.
And Lance is 12 years old.
Justice for Lance Bass! Free him!
"The Gridlock Party?"
??? How is the Democratic party for gridlock?
"AUTHOR PROFILE
Liz Wolfe"
It's just killing you that your ENB narrative has now been ruined, isn't it.
ENB and Liz are both awesome women.
Are they harpy conservatives? No chance. Nor are they whiny progs.
Both TEAMS! suck. I know you Trump Cultists have to pretend otherwise.
You're not fooling anyone, Shrike. If it weren't for an abortion fetish and her implied Democrat support you wouldn't even like ENB.
Doesn't even make sandwiches.
https://web.archive.org/web/20181205130733/https://reason.com/blog/2018/12/04/government-shutdown-avoided-again-reason#comment
Overt:
Now you are lying. You specifically admitted to being banned and tried blaming it on a “conservative IT” person’s editorial decision. But that’s what you do- lie about what is there.
I’m sure you will also deny that on 12/4/2018 you were posting in articles, and by 12/6/2018 your posts had been completely scrubbed from site. Unfortunately for you, the wayback machine remembers.
And after you caused your posts to be cleansed from the site:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181206190522/https://reason.com/blog/2018/12/04/government-shutdown-avoided-again-reason#comment
Overt:
And that’s the same article on 12/6, after your name has been scrubbed:
Seems I've mentioned that turd lies. It's what turd does. If turd posts it and it isn't a lie, it's accidental. turd lies.
Yeah, but it's more fun to post evidence of his banning and watch the twerp squirm.
Bring those receipts!
I was never banned, you moron. I'm still posting and am obviously Sarah Palin's Buttplug. The Reason people aren't stupid. They know I am the same poster.
I just like to rub the noses of Trump Trash in their own shit.
What happened to Sarah Palin's Buttplug 1, Shrike?
Explain the 2
"I was never banned..."
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Why were all those comments deleted?
Why the #2, Shrike? And it's not just because you're a turd.
Someone who Dee hasn’t muted needs to keep this handy to shove down his throat next time he defends buttplug.
He'd still deny it.
https://reason.com/2023/09/26/shut-it-all-down-2/?comments=true#comment-10251148
Mike Laursen 23 hours ago
There was a whole huge discussion of this yesterday. There is no evidence it happened other than a bunch of hearsay, mostly from commenters here who regularly lie about other people.
Yep, in denial.
https://reason.com/2023/09/25/win-for-writers-guild-loss-for-ai/?comments=true#comment-10249457
Mike Laursen 2 days ago (edited)
OK, I actually bothered to log out my account so I could see all the muted comments involved in this thread that supposedly presents solid proof.
It’s just a bunch of commenters who I have muted because they are known liars, and specifically liars about other people here, making accusations with handwavy evidence like “go look on this date in the Wayback Machine.”
One of the main witnesses one is supposed to believe is … freegin’ Tulpa? Come on, man, get serious.
And then this “moneyshot”, who is supposed to be the same person as SPB2, makes a vague statement about Reason IT, and there is HEAVY interpretation of what he meant by that.
In short, it’s all a load of bullshit, and every time you bring it up you out yourself as a bulllshitter.
Funny how Mike gets incredibly pedantic about "proof" when it's convenient, much like his claim that BLM protestors weren't rioters because they weren't yelling "WE'RE BLM MEMBERS" while burning and destroying property.
Wow. "Go look at the records from the day" is "handwavy evidence".
Peak (or possibly nadir) Mike? Nah, probably not.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
The 10-year Treasury just hit a 16-year high of 4.5%, which - if sustained - is basically catastrophic for long-term federal deficits. This is much more important than the vast majority of daily politics and culture fights getting most of the media's attention.
Gosh, if only Bernanke and the current Secretary of the Treasury hadn't kept the ZIRP train running all those years instead of gradually drawing the interest rates back up to pre-Great Recession levels over about 5 years after 2009.
Poor JFree. The hits keep coming.
Risks of long COVID have been ‘distorted’ due to ‘flawed research’: study
Imagine my shock...
Its almost like the same people who imagined they needed to drive around or walk around outside, alone, wearing 2 masks, when they had a 0.001% mortality risk from COVID...
...might have mental health problems that make them susceptible to believing imaginary shit
I wonder what the Venn diagram overlap is of COVID-nuts and people that believe children can choose their gender
Probably pretty high. I know a guy who went to a get together I was at last August wearing a frayed, worn out cloth mask. Now, the same guy claims he's "non-binary" and dresses in skirts and high heels.
Let me give kamala a call about the diagram.
Mayo also admitted that HcQ does have benefits against covid.
HORSE PASTE!
/jeff
"HURR WAS THAT SOMETHING JOE ROGAN TOLD YOU?"
Poor JFree, someone make it stop.
And . . . it's gone.
"One day after Mayo Clinic's endorsement of Hydroxychloroquine was highlighted here, they scrubbed the page, deleted the URL and are forwarding to a "safe" page."
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1706852979444236489
But of course.
Hope someone archived that shit before it disappeared.
That’s a pretty endorsement-free “endorsement”.
Saying it can be used isn’t an endorsement?
What do you think endorsement means?
A sales pitch evidently. Remember, this is the guy who couldn't get the chemistry of water.
The closures continue.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/article_c655cd52-5cb8-11ee-a6d2-0fda394be40c.html
Due to losses from theft and concerns about employee and customer safety, Target is shutting down nine stores across four states, including three in the Bay Area market alone. Additional closures include one store in Harlem, New York, another in Seattle, Washington and three more in Portland, Oregon.
According to the San Francisco government, there were 39,084 reported larcenies in 2020, 47,391 in 2021, and 61,715 in 2022. Amid the increase in crime, retail businesses have fled the city in droves, including the recent departure of Nordstrom’s flagship store in the area on August 28.
" . . .61,715 [larcenies] in 2022."
170 per day.
Here’s my thoughts on the subject.
He's more libertarian than a lot of the Reasonistas are on important issues... or Gary Johnson and Jo Jorgensen for that matter.
If White Mike could run as a Libertarian, then RFK Jr. sure as hell could.
Libertarian wins by two votes
"After weeks of nail biting and visits to the registrar of voters' Web site every few hours, Michael Laursen secured the Libertarian nomination for the state Senate by two votes."
Looks like he was up to his old tricks even then, though.
"Laursen is a political newcomer who only entered the race to prevent the colorful and confrontational Webster from gaining the nomination."
He won the nomination by only two votes against Webster who was caught trying to get his son laid by soliciting a female cop.
Awesome
LOL
Wait. He entered a race due to the behaviors of another person? So for culture war reasons?
Gotham is actually found in the Midwest, except there's no Batman to save anyone.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_ec5241b2-5ca8-11ee-81c3-37918a62eb33.html
Violent crime in Chicago took the focus of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee with victims' survivors and retired law enforcement prescribing solutions.
“If the folks in Chicago don’t start voting differently and demanding justice versus becoming numb to what we see is a daily slaughter, then we can’t get anything done,” Caldwell said. “We can’t have any movement.”
Retired Chicago detective John Garrido told committee members that criminal defendants may be more combative than they typically would be because of the recent start of no cash bail, where in many instances individuals charged with crimes don't need to post bail before they are released.
Democrats did not attend the hearing, some telling the media their focus needs to be on crafting a plan by the end of the week to keep the federal government open.
“Many of the folks who’ve said ‘Black lives matter,’ and they do, but they’re not showing that Black lives matter by not being here today,” Caldwell said.
Kind of fitting that they filmed the Dark Knight trilogy there.
Let them kill each other?
"Nearly half of U.S. newborns rely on WIC, the USDA says"
So, they are putting that out there as a "we desperately need the govt to continue doing this" and not "why the fuck cant half of the population take care of their own shit?"
I don't think the assumption that people who receive benefits "rely" on them is a good one.
food stamps subsidize alcohol consumption, its a known fact.
I hadn't really thought about that, but of course it does.
As well as government officials are outright lying about that statistic for political influence. This is actual government misinformation.
Judge Arthur Engoron ruled yesterday in a civil suit brought forth by New York's attorney general that former President Donald Trump committed fraud by overvaluing his assets and lying to banks and insurers to secure loans to build out his real estate empire.
That's probably true, considering his dearth of ethics. But where's the victim? Why didn't the banks and insurance companies do their own evaluations? Sure what he did was slimy, but who was harmed?
Yeah, it's not like banks have to take him at his word on the valuations. I would think that when dealing with that kind of money banks would get their own independent appraisal. But I have no idea about the world of commercial banking and real estate.
I have no idea either. But it seems to me that if he got away with overvaluing his assets, that's the banks and insurance companies failing to do their own due diligence.
You do realize that the judge involved is a Democrat who has never worked in real estate or banking?
https://ballotpedia.org/Arthur_F._Engoron
You do realize that I'm disagreeing with the ruling, right? Or did that escape you.
But you agreed with the assertion of Trump committing fraud with zero evidence because of your priors. What do you think of this?
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1706838593086668946
You really need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. I said that it’s probably true, which isn’t the same as agreeing, and said that if it was true (again leaving room for doubt) then it’s on the bank and insurance companies instead of him. As far as your link goes, you couldn’t pay me to give a fuck.
probably
adverb
prob·a·bly ˈprä-bə-blē ˈprä(b)-blē
Synonyms of probably
: insofar as seems reasonably true, factual, or to be expected : without much doubt
Couldn’t pay you to look at evidence that goes against what you think is “probably” true? That’s not the least bit surprising.
Reading comprehension fail again. I put this on the banks and insurance companies. So regardless of if he overvalued his assets or not, they needed to do their own part. Which means I don't give a shit about the evidence because it doesn't matter.
I comprehend just fine that you need to keep believing that Trump “probably” committed fraud, because you’re intellectually lazy.
TDS is a hell of a disease.
I'm not the one who "needs" to believe anything, because I don't give a shit. The ones who "need" to believe are his deranged followers who still think the election was stolen, that J6 is excused because of the summer riots, that his treatment of classified information is no big deal because someone else did it first, and so on and so forth. Those are the ones who are emotionally invested and "need" to believe.
Me? I could care less.
You cared so little you had to post that it was probably true.
Fixed that for you.
Poor sarc.
Sarc in his attack:
Trust government in elections.
Trust government in political lawfare.
Trust BLM narratives that they weren't so bad.
Trust government on awarding medals for killing unarmed protestors.
So you still think he probably committed fraud, and refuse to look at evidence that he didn’t, because of your priors.
Got it.
Sigh…
I’ll add probably to the long list of words sarc doesn’t understand.
Should also add a priori/priors.
Yeah, that was funny. Poor sarc.
Pour sarc.
I would think that when dealing with that kind of money banks would get their own independent appraisal. But I have no idea about the world of commercial banking and real estate.
If the bank didn't get their own independent appraisal as part of that loan process, they were fucking retarded and probably deserved to get snookered, even taking the overvaluation claim at face value. Millions of dollars at stake and they didn't vet those valuations? Yeah, judge, tell me another one.
I wonder how much of that is the writer’s interpretation. I haven’t had time to read about this verdict in detail, but when I looked into this case a couple of weeks ago the effect on banks, etc. was not formally part of the charges. The actual charges were about false information on annual businesses reports required by the State of New York.
Apparently what you "read" a few weeks ago was 100% wrong because the judge ruled it was fraud due to lower rates even with the loans fully repaid.
Arguing Mar-a-Lago is worth only about $27M or so is laughable. Real estate in that area is high and that resort is massive.
Who was harmed? How about the bank's investors who lost money because Trump was given more favorable terms that the value of his properties warranted. How about the competitors who chose to apply honestly and ended up paying more. What happened was a con, a very sophisticated con, but still fraud. Why pursue it because we want the market to be free and honest. Capitalism suffered because Trump thinks you can cheat and got ahead.
Neither of you assertions are legally defined fraud nor harm.
If you have a Picasso in a garage sale and I notice it and buy it for a dollar knowing it is worth tens of thousands, there is no harm or crime based on your ignorance. You set an agreed to price.
There is no law requiring banks to accept debtor valuations of their collateral.
wake me up when he defaults on a loan and the collateral turns out to be insufficient
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lenders-forgave-287-million-in-unpaid-debt-by-trump-report-11603844181
“Deutsche Bank eventually sought repayment of its loans, accusing Trump of being a habitual deadbeat, according to the Times, with some executives vowing to never again to business with Trump. In July 2010, Trump, Deutsche Bank and other lenders reached a private settlement, canceling about $270 million in debt, the Times found.”
Has the bank claimed harm?
"the bank’s investors who lost money"
No they didn't. They didn't lose a fucking dime.
You're so incredibly dishonest or gullible about what happened here. A property is worth exactly what someone will pay for it or loan money on. Not a penny more or less. Everything else is speculation.
If you say your car is worth $7500 and the buyer says it's worth $5000, what is it worth? It's worth what was eventually paid for it.
If you're getting a loan against your house and you say it's worth $600k and I walk in and tell the bank it's only worth $300k, what's it actually worth? It's worth what the bank accepts it is worth.
In neither of those cases did you commit fraud just because you estimated high.
You know what is fraud? The judge claiming Mar A Lago is only worth 18 million when every surrounding property a tenth of the size is selling for twice that.
You know what is fraud? The judge claiming Mar A Lago is only worth 18 million when every surrounding property a tenth of the size is selling for twice that.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious the judge is just taking the piss here out of hyper-partisan animus. If Trump's properties aren't worth what he said they were, then let the judge produce the evidence based on comparative real estate in the same area. Plus, when the fuck was a New York City judge ever qualified to assess property value in Florida?
Because Orange Man Bad.
What you are missing is the terms of the loan. By estimating the value high you can project greater equity and get a better loan rate. In giving you a better loan rate the bank forgoes some interest money, but does so because the loan is more secure. Less profit on a more secure loan. That the banks did not question the values is on them, but I doubt they will admit that because then they would be in trouble.
"What you are missing is the terms of the loan."
IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER, and I know you know that.
If Trump said his old socks are worth $10k and that valuation was accepted, then that's what it's worth to the bank.
You might offer to pay a tenth of a penny. If Trump accepted your offer then that's what it's worth.
If Mike Lindell wanted to pay a million, then that's what they're worth.
This is how value is determined.
What the prosecutor and judge did here, and what you're defending, is so utterly crooked and corrupt it borders on insanity.
I recently talked to my credit union about the value of my house. I mentioned $187,000. No, they said $167,000. No problem, I was only looking for a line of credit for less than $50k which they gave me at 2%.
Dems are always mining for victims to pander to, but bankers?…..
Didn’t see that coming. Lol.
"California High-Speed Rail gets big boost from Biden Administration"
[...]
"The California High-Speed Rail Authority has been awarded more than $200 million from the Biden Administration in what is one of the largest pieces of federal funding awarded to the project in its history.
The $202 million grant was made by the U.S. Department of Transportation through the 2022 Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvements (CRISI) program — part of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law passed in 2021.
The grant funding will be used to complete six grade separations in the city of Shafter, about 18 miles northwest of Bakersfield in Kern County..."
https://ktla.com/news/california/california-high-speed-rail-gets-big-boost-from-biden-administration/
At this rate the US taxpayers will fund this boondoggle in, oh, the next two centuries. Regardless, moonbeam thanks you for supporting his choo-choo
It takes a lot of money to recreate technology from the 1800’s.
Think about the money from wind, the tech from the 1400
I give up. Time to just start grafting.
Fuck it.
"Why is it that the three progressive movements of the last 15 years—Occupy Wall Street, #MeToo, and Black Lives Matter—have all fallen so short of their goals?"
Obvious answer:
Because they were never about the causes, they were always about grabbing power for the people at the vanguard of those causes, under the guise of (equality/equity/justice/pick-one)
will add that some of them have done quite the opposite:
Anti-racism training has been shown to cause an increase in negative feelings regarding race without any actual benefit toward repairing race relations, and no change in racial disparities.
BLM summer-of-love lead to the largest spike in homicides and violent crime, with black people being the single biggest violators as well as victims.
But the people at the head of the above movements got fame, power, and money.
"If the FTC gets its way, the result would be fewer products to choose from"
Bernie Sanders got hard when he heard that.
No one needs 23 different kinds of condoms.
Why is it that the three progressive movements of the last 15 years—Occupy Wall Street, #MeToo, and Black Lives Matter—have all fallen so short of their goals?
Check out Liz "Tucker Carlson" Wolfe over here.
And not to nitpick, but you're going to have to define "fallen short of their goals". The founders of blm have done pretty well out of all this mess. They have nicer mansions than I do.
And a lot of people lost their jobs and had their lives destroyed over #Metoo, the latest causing an international censorship kerfuffle with Russel Brand.
I suppose the movement itself might be distinct from those who declare themselves leaders of the movement or start organizations using the name of the movement.
In which case, the answer to the question might be that the supposed leaders are just a bunch of grifters. Also doesn't help that they keep lying about the nature and extent of the problems they supposedly want to address.
The weirder thing is that NOBODY seems interested in investigating where the money went.
They may have found a friendly judge on that one:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fraud-lawsuit-black-lives-matter-foundation-dismissed-california-100517811
“In dismissing the lawsuit, Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Stephanie Bowick sided with the foundation’s lawyers, who argued that local BLM activists failed to prove they were entitled to the raised funds or that the foundation’s leaders had siphoned off millions of dollars for nefarious purposes, among other unproven allegations.”
Occupy Wall Street started off initially as a basic protest against the banks getting bailed out for committing securities fraud, similar to what happened with the early Tea Party protests. It got appropriated by the cultural marxists within about 2 days because those activists quickly took over the leadership infrastructure of the protests. That's where the whole "progressive stack" finally went mainstream, and of course the national GOP had no effective response to it because they'd checked out of the culture war entirely by that time.
#MeToo was a direct reaction to Trump being elected, as the left realized that they couldn't take any kind of moral high ground on Trump being a lecher thanks to their indulgence of Bill Clinton and slimebags like Harvey Weinstein in the 1990s and 2000s. Russell Brand getting hit with these accusations is simply a result of him migrating from promoting an Allen Ginsberg-type of gross leftist hedonism, to questioning the actions of the establishment that happens to be controlled by left-liberals.
BLM is basically just a money-laundering front for the DNC, using the same critical theory baloney as a pretense that's been the theological cornerstone of academia for the last 25 years or so.
Lina Khan, the most punchable face in the biden admin. She is so vile.
Merrick Garland would like a word.
Lina Khan, the most punchable face in the biden admin.
Not as long as Jennifer Granholm has any say in the matter.
No one remembers kamala Harris or Janet yellen?
Most punchable face out of many punchable faces. It's a close call as to which one of them has the most punchable. For me, it varies from day to day.
Schumer.
Your daily rage read from Coleman Hughes for The Free Press on the backlash his TED talk defending color blindness inspired internally.
I'm disappointed Hughes is even doing TED Talks. TED is the low-wattage ideas platform.
"Apocalyptic rhetoric around migration is absurd. A smaller % of the population is an immigrant today than 150 years ago, when basically annnyone could just show up."
This is just stupid (and it hints at the assumption that most opposition to immigration is racism).
USA population in 2021: ~332 million
USA immigrant population in 2021: ~45 million
USA population 150 years ago in 1870: ~39 million
Regardless of the percentages, more people who were born in other countries are living in the US today than the entire US population 150 years ago.
The issue isn't so much with "immigrants" as it is with just Too Many Damn People!
Regardless of whether it is land, steel, water, or whatnot, resources are limited and math tells us more people = less resources per person.
Regardless of whether it is land, steel, water, or whatnot, resources are limited and math tells us more people = less resources per person.
I wouldn't say it's too many people, in many ways, the future problem will be too few people, especially the young, and of working age. The above is what the WEF thinks and wants.
More importantly: What percentage of immigrants 150 years ago were on the public dole?
0%
If that were true, people living here 150 years ago would have lived lavish lifestyles.
Spoiler, they did not.
Says Aaron Reichlin-Melnick
Policy Director @immcouncil
. Former immigration lawyer at @LegalAidNYC
@IJCorps
Regardless of whether it is land, steel, water, or whatnot, resources are limited and math tells us more people = less resources per person.
That would be true if all the resources were just lying around, ready to be used. But in the real world, you need a lot of people to make those resources usable. In general a growing population is good for increasing wealth for everyone.
In general a growing population is good for increasing wealth for everyone.
This is just question-begging, though. Our whole social welfare system is dependent on an exponential growth curve in population to sustain itself. And that population needs food, water, and infrastructure to avoid degrading into the drug-addled homeless encampments we see in our deep blue shitholes. The more we have, the more that's needed, resulting in an increased reliance on imported AND domestic goods that we've seen in real time are extremely vulnerable to supply chain breaks.
Thus, if mass population growth isn't managed and planned for, it creates the kind of socio-economic stresses that we're currently seeing, because they aren't being assimilated fast enough by the system to mitigate those stresses. This leads to decreased social trust and in turn, greater resentment by the native population.
We don't even have to look to immigration--just look at the upheaval that's been caused by in-state migration from hyper-expensive or crime-ridden shitholes to relatively stable, low-scale areas that aren't resourced to manage those influxes.
I’ll put it another way–I grew up in Broomfield, Colorado, during the 80s before moving to Aurora later on. Broomfield in the 80s was a typical, low-scale, safe suburb that had between 20K-25K people during the time I lived there (the most notorious incident in the town growing up was when some college-aged guy killed his mother with a hammer, catecorner to the apartment building I was living in at the time).
Social trust was sky-high because there was a good mix of upper-middle class and working class people, a lot of whom actually worked in and around the city, and let’s be honest, it was also because it was mostly white with a few Hispanics scattered here and there, so there was very little ethnic conflict. Housing was a good mix of upper-end and middle-tier single-family homes, with enough apartment complexes to handle the working class population without rents getting out of control.
In the early 1990s, the city council started getting tax revenue-thirsty, and began a development spree that resulted in the city becoming its own county. The population is now about 75K, and they’re predictably having a lot of the same problems surrounding the need for affordable housing and traffic, along with a huge spike in the Hispanic immigrant population starting in about 2000 that’s led to a correlated increase in the distribution of free school lunches, and a degradation in the quality of the schools in old Broomfield and their test scores.
Did I happen to mention that Broomfield is dominated by Democrats now, after spending most of its history being a relatively conservative suburb? That was a result of the Republican-dominated city council in the 1990s chasing the dollar instead of maintaining socio-economic cohesion that made the city such a nice place to live in the 80s.
I'm not trying to argue that more population always and immediately leads to more wealth.
And I'd still argue that the main problem is that people aren't expected to take care of themselves and deal with their own shit. If immigrants who show up without a job or a place to stay lines up had to stay starving in the desert, a lot less would be coming over the border. Population growth won't help anything if everyone thinks they can live at everyone else's expense.
the malthusian view is incorrect imo.
The issue with mass immigration is mass welfare.
What did the welfare state look like back then?
Everything that exists in the particular are limited, true. However, we haven't ran out of resources because resources are the product of mixing energy/matter with human rational thought and effort and thought is as infinite as the Universe.
Whenever things seem like they are about to run out, humans either find more, use less, spread it out, make do, or do without.
Read about the famous wager between Julian Simon and Paul Ehrlich and how wrong Ehrlich was about how everything was running out.
Resource abundance in 50 categories of resources has grown by 420.1 percent between 1980 and 2022. Even with slight drops in the past 2 years created by the COVID-19 lockdowns, abundance is still greater than the growth in population.
The Simon Abundance Index 2023
https://humanprogress.org/the-simon-abundance-index-2023/
"...The issue isn’t so much with “immigrants” as it is with just Too Many Damn People!..."
Your hero Malthus has been shown to be the worst economist ever, and you ain't any better.
There's another Republican presidential debate tonight.
Does it even matter?
These misfits are all wasting their time. The GOP has become the Cult of Fatass Donnie and only he can rescue the country from looters, Jews, Negros, and Goo-backs invading the country owned by the master race.
Why do you hate black people?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
economically illiterate pedo says what?
What Pluggo actually thinks of Jews, Negros, and Goo-backs:
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Uncle Clarence has had his hand out for over 20 years.
GIMME DAT WHITIE MONEY!
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What’s up Peanuts?
Pharma Bro Vivek Ramaswamy was already millionaire when he accepted Soros award he said he needed to pay for law school
Trouble in Bollywood!
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Interesting. I don’t think the value of property is dependent on the rent regulation status. I don’t think the value is based on what you charge for rent at all. If true, the law would create an incentive to charge as much rent as possible for the purpose of creating value to your property.
“”“In defendants’ world: rent regulated apartments are worth the same as unregulated apartments; restricted land is worth the same as unrestricted land; restrictions can evaporate into thin air; a disclaimer by one party casting responsibility on another party exonerates the other party’s lies,” Engoron wrote in his 35-page ruling. “That is a fantasy world, not the real world.””
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/judge-rules-donald-trump-defrauded-banks-insurers-while-building-real-estate-empire/ar-AA1hiCEk?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=37a385a2e4d84754a2e9c9a3c0314644&ei=47
The Income Approach is a pretty common method for evaluating commercial property.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_approach
Interesting.
Isn't the natural incentive always to charge as much rent as possible?
Amazon isn't even the only major online marketplace. It competes directly with eBay, Newegg, and Craigslist.
Plus Facebook as well, although that's more consumer-to-consumer than vendor-to-consumer.
Drug testing for welfare recipients.
When you go so far left, you are now on the right.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/26/san-francisco-mayor-drug-testing-00118274
Instead of worrying about spending money on feeding children, lets make cuts here...
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/billions-in-taxpayer-money-spent-on-navy-ships-that-may-never-be-used-193838149844
no one is upset about money spent feeding children. no one. that is one of the last items to be removed from gov spending even in a libertarian paradise.
you are addressing a strawman
Yeah, if its one thing that’s evergreen about Marxists, it’s their false dilemmas.
Plus, the nation’s childhood obesity rate is elegant proof that not having enough to eat is not a particular problem in this country.
Lina Khan is why we can't have nice things
From the marketwatch article on this:
"Amazon said the FTC’s’ lawsuit was “wrong on the facts and the law,” and some experts told MarketWatch that the agency’s case faces an uphill battle. "
yeah, it's political bullshit fomented by low-IQ apparatchiks.
I bet this will be as successful as her OTHER actions have been so far.
They'd have a better case if Amazon wasn't already a clearinghouse for thousands of small vendors. A lot of stuff I order off of there comes from small business owners simply taking advantage of Amazon's web infrastructure to peddle their goods. And in the case where I do find something that isn't sold via Amazon, their price differential isn't all that great that the Amazon price is so much more appealing. In one instance, I saved about $20 ordering direct from the vendor, even though the vendor was selling the same product through Amazon.
Apocalyptic insanity. What nation has **disappeared** from civilian migration, let alone from immigration that has increased the foreign-born share of the population less than a percentage point? Imagine truly believing this. What would you do?
I guess these guys haven't heard of ancient Rome from about 350-476 AD, when Odoacer finally ended the western empire.
Old Europe with the bronze age migrations of the Corded Ware and Yamnaya would also like a word, as would the Aztecs and Inca, and the citizens of Constantinople, or the victims of the Mongols, and the Harrapans in India.
"House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (D–Calif.)"
Can anyone spot the mistake there?
Nope. Seems about right.
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