Two-Thirds of College Students Think Shouting Down A Public Speaker Can Be Acceptable
Even at schools with solid speech policies, many students show little tolerance for opposing political beliefs.

According to a new survey, only one-third of college students say it's never acceptable to shout down a controversial campus speaker. And one-quarter think using violence can be acceptable in at least some circumstances to stop someone from speaking on campus.
This week, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE), a First Amendment nonprofit released its fourth annual College Free Speech Rankings. The survey polled more than 55,000 students from nearly 250 colleges and universities.
The survey asked students about a wide range of speech-related issues, ranging from how students perceive their administration's support for free expression to whether speakers on controversial subjects, like abortion and transgender rights, should be allowed to speak on campus.
The survey found that more than half of students were worried about "damaging [their] reputation because someone misunderstands something [they] have said or done"; 16 percent were "very worried," 39 percent were "worried a little." Fifty-eight percent reported self-censoring "during conversations with other students on campus," with 33 percent self-censoring "once or twice a month," 18 percent self-censoring "a couple times a week," and 7 percent self-censoring "nearly every day."
When asking questions about controversial speakers, students seemed more willing to censor conservative speakers. For example, 71 percent of students agreed that a college "definitely" or "probably" should not allow a speaker on campus who previously expressed the idea that "Black Lives Matter is a hate group," while 28 percent answered the same about a speaker who had expressed the idea that "structural racism maintains inequality by protecting White privilege."
FIRE also ranked schools based on their campus free speech environment. Overall, Michigan Technological University took the top spot, followed by Auburn University and the University of New Hampshire. Harvard University ranked at the bottom of the pack, obtaining the lowest ranking in the survey's history—and gaining the first ever "abysmal" speech climate ranking from the group.
In addition to providing insights about the environment on many college campuses, the survey also illustrates how difficult it is to change student's attitudes toward free speech. Some of the highest-ranked campuses had middling or even well below-average scores on measures of student culture around speech issues. The highest-ranked schools consistently had "green" speech code ratings—a measure FIRE uses to indicate that a school's official policies do not trample student and faculty First Amendment rights—and administrations that consistently defended controversial speech.
However, many of these same schools seem to have student bodies that aren't quite so tolerant. For example, among the top 10 schools, seven ranked below average for "Openness"—a measure ranking students' self-reported ability to discuss controversial topics on campus—and none cracked the top 50. Half the top 10 schools were below average on "Comfort Expressing Ideas"—a category roughly approximating student-self censorship.
This fact shows how hard it can be for administrators to influence student behavior. While protecting student expression is essential for its own sake, such policies serve mainly to disincentivize students from engaging in some anti-speech activist activity—like speaker shutdowns or disininvitation campaigns—but it doesn't appear to make students more tolerant.
Colleges should protect student expression. Whether those same students end up appreciating this protection is another matter entirely.
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"And one-quarter think using violence can be acceptable in at least some circumstances to stop someone from speaking on campus."
This is my surprised face.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/03/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-think-2020-election-illegitimate/index.html
Almost 70% of Rethugglicans BLESS the "STOLEN ERECTIONS" theory!
This is my surprised face.
It is only by The Grace of Trump that we, too, can be fallen but Forgiven Non-Leftists! The keys are to let Trump into your heart, and to BELIEVE in His Stolen Erections!!! This FACT (NOT theory) of His Stolen Erections? You must stoke it and stroke it! THEN you, too, can becum a Forgiven Non-Leftist! His Stolen Erections are freely GIVEN unto all who will willingly accept them! NOT just to Spermy Daniels! So cum on down to the podium NOW, and don’t forget to bring your credit cards, ass well ass your heart and soul! (Well OK, and your Vaseline too!)
Have you spent any time in the past 7 years mocking Democrats for having a psychotic break and retreating to a childish fantasyland in which the 2016 election was illegitimate because Russia hacked voting machines and switched Clinton votes to Trump, who had been a Russian intel asset since 1987, Putin was blackmailing him with a pee tape — and Robert Mueller (possibly assisted by Michael Avenatti) would prove all this and throw Trump out of office? And maybe Hillary could still be President?
That's a sincere question BTW. Your posts are so long-winded and unfunny I can't force myself to read all of them.
Don’t bother with him. He makes white Indian look good.
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When is the last time that Demon-Craps pulled stunts like THIS?
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn the GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
First, your trying to change the subject. Fuck you. Answer Sandra's question.
Second your article is complete horseshit. An amalgam of obvious and known lies created for propaganda purposes by Democratic party smear shops like Media Matters, the SPLC, the FBI and ADL for party organs like CNN and Salon.
Third, you know your article is complete horseshit. But you posted it anyway in hopes of creating a shitstorm and distracting from the original issue.
This article is about people like you. Using 500 line copypasted heckler's vetoes to shout down conversation about things you don't want people talking about.
Your doing it right now.
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
Not a ONE SINGLE historical FACT from there refuted by Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer, ass usual! What an UDDER giant moose-mammary of a surprise!!!!
Again, your trying to distract from Sandra's and now my accusations by posting irrelevant shit, but let's go there.
Not only have I refuted the big lies in your (lol Salon) article, but dozens of others here have too.
For example, contrary to your article's assertion, in Mein Kampf Hitler claimed that Jews had spread the "big lie" that General Erich Ludendorff was responsible for the country's loss in World War I. The "big lie" phrase you're using comes from Hitler himself, not his opponents.
In the exact same manner as Hitler used on the Jews, you and Salon smear artist Matthew Rozsa are using Hitler's phrase "big lie" to smear Trump.
Of course a couple of days from now you'll again be insisting that "Not a ONE SINGLE historical FACT from there refuted", because you're a lying, shitty troll.
So Hitler never LIED when blaming the Jews?
It figures that a Jew-hater like YOU would say that! Is our favorite Jew-hater-poster here on these pages Your Perfect Bed-Buddy... Rob Misek the Miserable?
It's your argument and Hitler's that are the same. Not Trump's.
It's a worthless, meat NPC. I truly don't grasp why you persist in engaging with it.
The Cold War historian Zachary Jonathan Jacobson describes its use:
Adolf Hitler first defined the Big Lie as a deviant tool wielded by Viennese Jews to discredit the Germans' deportment in World War I. Yet, in tragically ironic fashion, it was Hitler and his Nazi regime that actually employed the mendacious strategy. In an effort to rewrite history and blame European Jews for Germany's defeat in World War I, Hitler and his propaganda minister accused them of profiting from the war, consorting with foreign powers and "war shirking" (avoiding conscription). Jews, Hitler contended, were the weak underbelly of the Weimer state that exposed the loyal and true German population to catastrophic collapse. To sell this narrative, Joseph Goebbels insisted "all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands."
In short, Nazi fascism hinged on creating one streamlined, overarching lie ... the Nazis built an ideology on a fiction, the notion that Germany's defeat in World War I could be avenged (and reversed) by purging the German population of those purportedly responsible: the Jews.
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Joseph Goebbels also put forth a theory which has come to be commonly associated with the expression "big lie". Goebbels wrote the following paragraph in an article dated 12 January 1941, sixteen years after Hitler first used the phrase. The article, titled "Aus Churchills Lügenfabrik" (English: "From Churchill's Lie Factory") was published in Die Zeit ohne Beispiel.
"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
Sorry, but I am going to attack your source. Nobody should ever use that tabloid as a source of anything, maybe entertainment. I suggest you take a look at who owns that rag, which party they support financially(the money actually goes both ways). Look at who their owners have donated to. Look at who they are cozy with. That goes for Slate, Mother Jones, Daily Beast, et al. All the same.
Or like THIS?
Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
Trump is a buffoon who got lucky once and has been failing and embarrassing himself ever since. Refusing to admit he lost to Dementia Joe was pathetic. Obsessing about stolen election BS has justifiably turned off swing voters and diminished his (already slim) chances of winning in 2024. Anyone who donated to Trump after Nov. 2020, or rioted on his behalf, is a gullible idiot. Any Republican who ran in 2022 on the idea that 2020 was stolen deserved to lose. I've said this dozens of times.
You're in no position to criticize his post-election tantrum or the 1 / 6 mob of sore losers, however, if you never criticized things like...
Prominent Democrats like Hillary Clinton and Jimmy Carter claiming Trump's Presidency was illegitimate because he didn't actually win.
The absolutely hysterical bombshell tipping point walls closing in beginning of the end MSM #RussiaGate coverage and the millions of #Resistance idiots who ate it up.
Stacey Abrams becoming a rockstar by saying she really won.
A Bernie Bro trying to massacre Republicans on a baseball field.
A leftist fanatic traveling to Kavanaugh's house planning to murder him.
BLM rioting and looting and burning shit down.
So, did you criticize any of this stuff in the past 7 years? Maybe you did! I certainly can't read every post and yours are usually tedious enough that I just scroll by when I see your name.
Yeah, I know... WHATABOUT?!?! BUTT... Wait now...
Hey, GOOD NEWS at last!!!!
STOP THE PRESSES!!! INSERT HOTTEST NEWS FLASH!!! BREAKING NEWS!!! Trump finally (Sort of) concedes!
My most-senior inside contact at the Shadow White House has surreptitiously slipped me an advance copy of the ex-lame-duck POTUS’s concession speech. Without further ado, here it is:
Friends, non-foreigner-type True Americans, and all who Make America Great Again, lend me your ears! I come to bury Biden, not to praise him. Biden and his minions stole the erections, and we must dishonor that! To Make America Great Again, we must invent the most fantastic, fabulous, YUUUGEST BIGNESS EVAH SEEN, in the ways of truly factually fictitious, but Spiritually and Metaphorically True, NEW Republican ballots! Because I have directed My Generals and My Scientists to research the current and past performance, efficacy, and patriotism of one-party states, versus multi-party states. As I have directed them to, My impartial, unbiased, data-driven council of My Generals and My Scientists have determined that yea verily, one-party states work better! Therefore, we must all strive for the Glorious Day, when America becomes a one-party state, under the One True Party, the Republican Party!
But for now, the courts have sided with Biden and his camel-toe, and Antifa, BLM, and all the Marxist terrorists. We must let the courts have it their way, with mayo on the side. I mean, with Mao Tse Tung on the side, but without the Proud Boys standing back and standing by. Thank you, Proud Boys, for having stood by me. Also, thank you, Steve Bannon, Vladimir Putin, Kim Ill Dung, and Pepe the Stolen-Intellectual-Property Frog. Pepe, watch out for Miss Piggy, she and her “pre-nuptial contracts” will clean your clock, just like Melania is set to clean mine soon! But I digest.
So we can’t disrepute what the nasty courts have said, or there might be civil war. Sad! The courts aren’t very American these days! And if you don’t like what I just said? Well, I’m sorry that you feel that way!
So congratulations to Biden for having stolen the erections! This is America, so we must properly honor the decisions of the courts, in a dishonorable way! Biden can come and live with us in the White House, per the wishes of the courts. He can pour our covfefe for us, for Steve Bannon, Pepe the Frog, and I, and Jill can make sandwiches for us. We promise to call him POTUS, and her, First Lady! POTUS of covfefe, and First Lady of sandwiches, that is! Hey Biden! Get yer butt over here! Pepe needs some covfefe!
That setup will get us by for a little while! Meanwhile, we can schedule the NEW run-off erections, this time without any fraudulent so-called “Democratic” votes being allowed, and we can do this RIGHT the next time!
Meanwhile, congratulations to Joe Stalin-Biden, on being erected POTUS of pouring covfefe for Pepe!
If 81 million people voted for a pedophile (ref. Ashley biden’s diary and CSPAN footage of that creep touching and making lewd comments to children) then it is time for a complete divorce from them.
I would feel a lot more comfortable if they were put down. Millions of rabid traitor Marxists in our midst is unacceptable.
And it’s not like any Marxist has a right to exist.
Well, I've been subjected to enough of your idiocy, into the plonk pit you go.
He got so lucky it took the entire DOJs “insurance plan”
to take him down. But you do you sugar tits.
We got so lucky we got the best POTUS in the last century, but TDS-addled shits like Sandra are entirely too stupid to understand that.
Remember being a teenager, where personality overrode ANY other consideration? Well, the shitbag posting as Sandra seems incapable of reaching the 12th grade.
I wouldnt go that far!
I would say that Sandra is Saruman that spent too long looking into the Palantir to determine what will effect the future [the media narratives are the Palantir (duh!)] and has come to the conclusion that she was meant to come to by…. those behind the narrative. The conclusion – independents wont vote for Trump – all is lost if Trump wins the nomination … yada yada.
If that narrative is true at all its because of ‘fortification’ not independents preferring even Biden over Trump. PLUS – if my ‘fortification narrative’ is at all true it will mean it doesnt matter who wins the nomination for the Rs.
'Trump is a buffoon who got lucky once and has been failing and embarrassing himself ever since..."
And Sandra is a TDS-addled pile of shit.
What a scintillating intelligent reasoned reply!
Any Republican who ran in 2022 on the idea that 2020 was stolen deserved to lose. I’ve said this dozens of times.
And the counter-argument, since before Trump, was that the options between career NeoCons and career Open Socialist adults in the room is what brought us all to Trump in the first place. That if you aren’t pointing out a Mark Cuban, a Peter Thiel, and Elon Musk, or… hell, IDK, a Kanye West or… Ice T… Joe The Plumber… Vermin Supreme... something that isn’t “I was a governor/senator/mayor/representative for a major party for 4 or more yrs., now I’m going to run for President.” you’re still essentially pointing at someone who was a governor/senator/mayor/representative for 4 or more yrs. for a major party and is now in line for the Presidency.
I’m not a rigid adherent to the idea that RCV or n-party ballots or primaries will resolve the problems with our democracy, but what you’re proposing is the opposite. A further locking in to the Neocon/Socialist/Globalist uniparty.
And the counter-argument, since before Trump, was that the options between career NeoCons and career Open Socialist adults in the room is what brought us all to Trump in the first place
Nobody is denying that other than the NeverTrump center-right, and Sandra is hardly in that camp. But it should have been obvious to anyone reading the room that trying to litigate 2020, rather than move on and focus on what a shit job the Democrats were doing, was going to be a losing strategy. Independents simply don't give a shit about the Dems' election shenanigans, and the left knows it or they wouldn't have bragged about their color revolution in that Time article. What they do give a shit about is the fact that it costs a lot more to fill their pantries than it did 3 years ago.
Nobody is denying that other than the NeverTrump center-right, and Sandra is hardly in that camp.
I'm going to need you to definitively prove that someone in the #NeverTrumpAgain camp isn't in the #NeverTrump camp.
This is, straight up, Ken White's rule of goats.
That's the spastic asshole; you're going to have to hope the sumbitch is on his/her meds in the hopes of enlightenment.
Shitsy compares using violence to stop speech he disagrees with to speaking opinions…he disagrees with. Because he’s a fascist.
Nah, he’s just developmentally challenged.
Yes, but he's also definitely a fascist.
Is there a difference?
Yes, for example Misek... no, wait... well you see Chemjeff... no, he is too... well, maybe Buttp... I guess you're right.
At least he didn't go to Yale.
Not a theory, dolt.
Oh, you mean like Hillary Clinton, who refused to concede and blamed "stolen elections" on Putin? Yes, that's bad. However, violence on the campus is much worse. It shows that our schools fail to teach their students even the most elementary civics. Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words cannot hurt me. Remember that?
I am surprised. I find it hard to believe it's only 1/4.
It's certainly no surprise to me either.
Online has dumbed down and heated up discourse.
None of these kids learned civility, tolerance of differing opinions, or openness from their parents or other adults.
Threatening violence is pervasive and will, I bet, show up in this thread sooner than later.
"...Online has dumbed down and heated up discourse..."
You certainly helped with your ignorance-based, chicken-little, support of every statist mandate during the fake 'pandemic', asshole.
Well, I am not in favor of name calling. You should probably refrain from posting if you don't have a cogent argument. And yes, I agree that pandemics has changed things a lot. Government didn't respect our rights, so I stopped respecting the government. That too has consequences. if many people stop respecting the government, it will have a problem with governing. A really, really big problem. As for the mask mandates, I was breaking the rules whenever I could.
Ok, then when these little commie punks want to throw down, they shouldn’t complain when they get their skulls bashed in. I’m totally fine with that.
I mean... I was thanking that I myself would seriously consider wielding violence against people advocating for the principles of communism or national socialism.
We've seen what those ethos lead to, already.
True. This is at the core of why I always say that Marxists have no right to exist. One cannot be a Marxist without striving to subjugate and murder to achieve their Marxist dystopia. It is in no way just a ‘difference of opinion’, like tue scumbags leftists here whine when I push back on them.
Better Marxists be imprisoned or or executed than practice their Marxism. Just imagine how much better off the world would be if people like Stalin, Lenin, Mao, etc. we’re killed off early and their organizations exterminated before they took power.
Violence is always the last resort. Violence is only justified when defending yourself, no matter what the other guy advocates. You are free to tell the other non-birthing person that he's an idiot but it's not acceptable to smack him down, no matter how satisfactory would that feel. Freedom of speech is sacred. That also applies to people who disagree with me.
44% of younger Democratic men think assassinating a troublesome politician is ok, says SPLC.
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas#methodology
I experienced this in 1961, at a small college in CA, my freshman year. I went to hear "The John Burke Society" spokesperson. I didn't know anything about it except it was in the news. I didn't learn anything because a group of students shouted down the speaker. I was pissed off because I had went out of my way to make time.
American River College was socialist and I was anti-political, a capitalist economist who had read the Communist Manifesto at 13 and without hearing any criticism, rejected it. Five years later, I was surprised anyone could believe it.
The question is, why do we need government-sanctioned higher education for some professions? Why doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc., need to spend years in government-approved schools which often do not even focus on preparing the students for the career but are pre-occupied with indoctrinating them with their political agenda, almost always leftist?
If I need a lawyer, I need someone who knows the law and is able to provide me with the service I need; I don’t give rat’s behind if he/she spent three years at some fancy-by-name college. Same with other professions. Yet the states usually mandate formal training even if it leads to nowhere.
Two thirds of college students are dead wrong.
Words and ideas are dangerous.
That’s why even video games have to be taken over and trashed.
"Words and ideas are dangerous."
Which is why idiots oppose Section 230!
Hello, are you plotting and scheming to post murder-for-hire ads, and then SUE Reason.com for “publishing” your shit? Ka-ching Ka-ching Ka-ching ALL of the way to the bank, baby!!! Wooo-Hooo!!!
You didn't even know what s230 was about. I bet you still don't.
S230 is about foreigner Perfect Moose-Fuckers wanting to TAKE AWAY FREE SPEECH FREEDOMS from Americans... THAT is what S-230 is about!
Sooo… Your “fix” to all of this is to punish “publishers” (web sites) for the content generated by OTHER people? Those who post?
SOME people here have argued that, since there has been at least one (several?) case(s) of hardcopy rags (newspapers) sued FOR THE WRITINGS OF OTHERS, namely letter-to-the-editor writers (it was all well and good to authoritarians that SOME people got punished for the writings of OTHER people), then the proper fix MUST be to perpetrate / perpetuate this obvious injustice right on over to the internet domain!
This is like arguing that the “fix” for a cop strangling to death, a black man (Eric Garner) on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies” is, not to STOP the injustice, but rather, to go and find some White and Hispanic and Asian men as well, and strangle them, as well, on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies”! THAT will make it all “fair”!
NY Times (NYT) can be punished for what someone ELSE wrote in a letter-to-the-editor in their hardcopy rag! An injustice, to be “fixed” by punishing Facebook for the same kind of offenses! Hey: Tear down Section 230 to “fix” this? Or REALLY fix it by adding a “Section 230 for hardcopy rags”?
In 1850, I imagine that perhaps some people in the USA were saying it isn’t fair that white folks hold black folks as slaves. Let’s “fix” it by having a bunch of black folks hold white slaves, too!
What kind of EVIL person fixes injustice by widening the spread of more injustice of the same kind? HOW does this “fix” ANYTHING?!?!
Conservative belly-acher: "Libs in Congress have TRIED to strong-arm FacePoooo into doing what the libs want. They have THREATENED to replace Section 230, so that they can micro-manage FacePoooo. BOOOO-HOOOO!!!! So let's TEACH them! Let's TEAR DOWN SECTION 230 (give them EXACTLY what they want)!!! And we are absolutely SURE that the NEW laws replacing Section 230, will make the libs cry!!! We can PUSSY-GRAB the libs, with new laws! And the libs will NEVER think of using new laws to pussy-grab us right back!!!"
Did y'all ever think that the laws can run both ways? That what's good for the goose, is good for the gander? And did ya NOTICE that Trump LOST? HOW are the Section 230 law-replacements going to pussy-grab the libs, forever, unless we get a "forever" 1-party "R" state?
Check your history books... Hitler's 1,000-Year Reich lasted 12 years. Trump is an ancient geezer! Der TrumpfenFuhrer's Reich won't even last 12 years!
Fucking STUPID Moose-fucking Idiot Perfectly Botched-up Bitch!
See folks.
Spammy copy-pasted heckler's veto bullshit that doesn't answer my assertion. Melvin here is exactly who this article was talking about.
You will NOT refute ANYTHING that I write... Because You CAN'T, Cunt!
Fuck off and die, you pathetic excuse for humanity. Make your family proud and your dog happy.
I've refuted shitloads. Everything from "230 is about freedom of speech" to "soldiers can be lawfully ordered to kill themselves", and that was just this week.
Even in this thread I refuted your misinterpretation of what Hitler's big lie was.
What would you like me to refute for you now?
“soldiers can be lawfully ordered to kill themselves”... PLEASE cite where I said that! Soldiers CAN be ordered to undertake military ops in which case their chances at death are in the ranges of 50%, 90%, or 99%... Butt YOUR Perfectly Stupid Bitch-"Brain" is capable of ZERO nuance, when YOUR Perfection is questioned!
Also, I refute YOUR Perfect Assertion that Hitler was a SPLENDIDLY benevolent Hero, Oh Miserable Mammary-Misek!
"PLEASE cite where I said that!"
Here: https://reason.com/2023/09/04/if-you-need-pain-pills-politicians-want-to-monitor-your-body-chemistry/?comments=true#comment-10223586
And here: https://reason.com/2023/09/04/if-you-need-pain-pills-politicians-want-to-monitor-your-body-chemistry/?comments=true#comment-10223603
you appear to have lost the plot in this thread...
SQRLSY should be euthanized at the nearest opportunity. Obviously being spayed AND neutered hasn’t calmed it down.
Punk Boogers should be pinched within ANY kind of handy booger-rags and thrown in the trash!
I see it responded to me. Did it use the ‘tim the enchanter’ bullshit again?
Punk Boogers can't even READ and needs other IDIOTS to do Punk Boogers' reading for it! What a helpless, worthless chunk of rotting boogers! I thought shit was a booger, but shit's SNOT!
Words and ideas got Trump elected. Now tell me words and ideas aren't dangerous.
No, they're not. Words and ideas can be defeated by other words and ideas. Words do not justify violence. Ever.
not if the people you're trying to persuade have been taught (braiinwashed?) other definitions for key words and have been trained to think in the bizzarro world logic of grievance studies.
Apparently a majority of college kids have no business being in an academic environment.
College isn't an academic environment anymore, it's a seminary for neo-marxist activists.
I really love the idea of paying their debts.
I love the idea of harvesting their organs to get paid back for paying their debts. Profits are much higher if its a clean sweep using a gag and restraints, but no anesthesia.
it’s a seminary for neo-marxist activists.
^This^
Well, they do have cum for brains.
You take that back, cum has a purpose beyond fertilizer.
i was about to post just that!
Considering the large decline in young adults believing that a college degree is worthwhile, it's possible that they understand this. Of course the economic factors are a big part of that but I can't imagine a young man wanting to be subjected to the bullshit these institutions are selling. Taken with the fact that online classes are becoming increasingly available the brick and mortar colleges are becoming irrelevant. And when you add in the woke indoctrination the price is just too damn high. It would be interesting to see the same survey taken of those who have rejected a college education.
"Free speech for me but not for thee". This is the ethos of ALL of those who oppose Section 230. Why am I not surprised?
OPEN QUESTIONS FOR ALL ENEMIES OF SECTION 230
The day after tomorrow, you get a jury summons. You will be asked to rule in the following case: A poster posted the following to social media: “Government Almighty LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know!”
This attracted protests from liberals, who thought that they may have detected hints of sarcasm, which was hurtful, and invalidated the personhoods of a few Sensitive Souls. It ALSO attracted protests from conservatives, who were miffed that this was a PARTIAL truth only (thereby being at least partially a lie), with the REAL, full TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH being, “Government Almighty of Der TrumpfenFuhrer ONLY, LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know! Thou shalt have NO Government Almighty without Der TrumpfenFuhrer, for Our TrumpfenFuhrer is a jealous Government Almighty!”
Ministry of Truth, and Ministry of Hurt Baby Feelings, officials were consulted. Now there are charges!
QUESTIONS FOR YOU THE JUROR:
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, true or false?
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, hurtful sarcasm or not?
Will you be utterly delighted to serve on this jury? Keep in mind that OJ Simpson got an 11-month criminal trial! And a 4-month civil trial!
Two-Thirds of Sqrlsy's Think Shouting Down A Commenter With Spammy Copypasta Is Acceptable
Perfectly Stupid Moose-Headed Bitch will NOT answer my questions! What an UDDER Perfect Giant Moose-Mammary of a SURPRISE!!!
Actually you don't answer our questions, you lying fuck.
You mean Your Perfect Questions such ass WHY is lying in court (AKA perjury) such a WONDERFUL thing when MAGA lawyers do it?
When are ye gonna stop torturing all of the new-born Christian babies, Ye Perfect Witch?
See, you still didn't.
What, why You are a Perfect Twat? Answer: I have NO idea why!
It’s clearly rabid. Time to euthanize it.
230 grains of Trepanazine, administered intercranially, should do the trick.
>>many students show little tolerance for opposing political beliefs.
tangential from friend-parenting the Yutes.
This is a total non-story. Why won't Reason cover the education issues that really matter?
chemjeff says the most frightening threats to American education are Chris Rufo and parents who object to CRT in their 5th graders' public schools.
#RadicalIndividualistsForRacialCollectivism
I'm pretty sure Florida has done some scary things too, you can't even say gay in that state!
Or read Snow White!!!
Snow Honky!!
And you cover the most dangerous issue: Your TDS. Eat shit and die, asshole.
FTFY.
For the uninitiated (and those wanting a blast from the past):
TRIGGLYPUFF
I wonder what it’s like to be such a ridiculous walking stereotype you end up becoming a living meme? I also wonder which corporate HR department she wound up working for? I feel sorry for employees of that company.
She (it?) is probably anfifa, working at a communist bookstore.
What do you expect when Harvard is infested with students dressed like bindlestiffs and professors who fail to wear hats in the Yard?
> The survey found that more than half of students were worried about "damaging [their] reputation because someone misunderstands something [they] have said or done"
Sure. They're all primed and ready for Social Credit Scoring.
Did you tell an off color joke 20 years ago? The internet remembers.
A Sikkimese, a Biafran, and a Crimean walk into the United Nations...
Reason has not been an advocate of free speech outside of a strict interpretation of 1A only applying to explicit government action.
This is a direct result of eroding the philosophy of free speech within the culture. Good job Reason, you’re doing a great job.
This.
For Reason libertarians free speech wasn't a personal philosophy to be encouraged and evangelized everywhere but rather a government regulation to be followed by civil servants.
Even then, if those civil servants ask nicely while swinging their baton, it's not force.
"It's the FBI agents free speech!!" according to White Mike and Sqrlsy.
“It’s the MAGA lawyers' free speech!!” according to Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer, when they LIE in court!
MAGA, Making Attorneys Get Attorneys!!!!
I can't believe you claim to be libertarian and then gloat about lawfare.
I CAN believe that YOU Perfectly favor perjury, when it gets POWER for YOUR Perfect Tribe!
Only 2/3ds? That's some horseshit.
To be sure, the other 1/3 could consider it necessary, but unacceptable.
And the VERY ROOT reason for this is??????????????????
Our government has become EXTREMELY dangerous to us.
Thanks to years and years of UN-Constitutional [Na]tional So[zi]alist legislation. Want to see what the end-game will be? Just read the history of the USSR or Nazi Empires. Yes; They too had massive citizenry revolt, discontent and shouting.
Big gov-gun packing 'fix-er-up' plans *IS* big dangerous government. Get a clue government worshipers.
Then again; what would one expect to get out of a Commie-Education camp?
The USA is *NOT* a [WE] mob RULES ” democracy.
It is defined by a Constitution as a Union of Republican States.
It is by definition a Constitutional Union of Republican States.
Article IV Section 4.
“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government”
Ignorance about the USA being a “democracy” is the very reason it has become so dangerous. Democracy alone is [WE] majority-mob RULES. Will the [Na]tional So[zi]alists RULE? Will Hitler RULE? Will X,Y,Z be the RULER? In simplest of terms it is a majority chosen monarchy-king dictator system.
The Constitution *IS* the very “peoples” law over their government. It is exactly what is required that made the USA so great. Yes; It uses the ‘tool’ of democracy for very specific ‘authorized’ authority. It doesn’t just say, “The [WE] majority RULES”. That is the conquering of the USA taking place right under everyone’s noses.
The saddest part is the USA has already been conquered. It's already at the stage where the 'gov-guns' are operating in a [WE] people RULE those 'icky' ones. And precisely why it's so dangerous and so important that [WE] mobsters shout-it-out at each other because the loudest [WE] mobster is unrestrained in using the nations monopoly of 'gov-guns' against those 'icky' ones.
An unrestrained government is *ALL* of the problem not the cure to anything and the very fault of the Democratic party is in continuing to believe this big-gov-guns against those 'icky' people is going to solve the very problem it is.
They see others openly do it and openly get away with it.
I wonder to what extent the conversion of colleges from educational to covert vocational has made a difference. When people go to college because that gives them a certification they use to get a better job, where is the incentive for colleges to inculcate liberal principles or for students to open their minds?
They don't need incentive's. They pack 'gov-guns'.
One of the many ?blessings? of Gov-Sponsored Commie-Education.
It doesn’t help that colleges are largely staffed with people who belong in prison, or the end of a rope, for being Marxist traitors.
So - 2/3 of college students are complete idiots without any manners. What's new?
So, liberals want to control speech.
How surprising. /s
They FEEL it is right, they do not THINK it is right. Very sloppy.
Where you start in life , before thinking, is a feeling. On the kiddie's playground you FEEL it is okay to kick the bully's asss and you are right. But you are not thinking.
After 6 years with college kides I KNOW that they do not argue from first principles and their epistemology would not survive Philosophy 101.
The most instructive experience for all of them would be to be part of several confrontations on key subjects and to realize that NO ONE agrees with them on every subject.
And the mathematical realization that kills this disease : The RAREST of all people is the one who hold the majority opinion in all matters.
The survey found that more than half of students were worried about “damaging [their] reputation because someone misunderstands something [they] have said or done”
Who needs China to enact social credit scores when you’ve got [consults notes circa 2014-2016] Robby Soave, Scoot Shackford, Elizabeth Nolan Brown, Civil Libertarianism, and totally private social media corporations to do it for you?
It would be interesting to see how that falls out on the political compass and what it says of the overton window on campuses. It's sad that Robby wants to limit the school's culpability here.
Is it ChemJeff who keeps claiming no one is performing "bottom" surgeries on children?
JAMA publication begs to differ. During 2016-2020, 405 genital surgeries were performed on children aged 12-18.
I will note that this study make the same mistake that many gun-control studies does, by lumping in 18 year olds with under-18. There is therefore a possibility that all 405 surgeries were performed on 18 year olds and 0 done on 12-17 year olds.
Another interesting observation: "Most patients (42 467 [88.4%]) were treated at urban, teaching hospitals, and there was a disproportionate number of patients in the West (22 037 [45.9%]) and Northeast (12 396 [25.8%])."
Original Investigation | Obstetrics and Gynecology
National Estimates of Gender-Affirming Surgery in the US
Jason D. Wright, MD; Ling Chen, MD, MPH; Yukio Suzuki, MD, PhD; Koji Matsuo, MD, PhD; Dawn L. Hershman, MD
"When stratified by the type of procedure performed, breast and chest procedures made up the greatest percentage of the surgical interventions in younger patients while genital surgical
procedures were greater in older patients (Figure 2). Additionally, 3215 patients (87.4%) aged 12 to 18 years underwent GAS and had breast or chest procedures. This decreased to 16 067 patients (64.0%) in those aged 19 to 30 years, 4918 (46.9%) in those aged 31 to 40 years, and 1650 (37.9%) in patients aged 41 to 50 years (P < .001). In contrast, 405 patients (11.0%) aged 12 to 18 years underwent genital surgery.
https://lc.org/PDFs/083023wright_2023_oi_230875_1692134993.75323.pdf
Fatfuck Pedo Jeffy advocates for no restrictions on these surgeries which are totally not happening.
That's White Mike's claim. Chemtard's claim is that rad-left school officials should be left alone to convince them to do so.
Those numbers end at 2020. Liarson only claims that there is no bottom surgery being done on a minor RIGHT NOW that we can show him on a live stream.
"This fact shows how hard it can be for administrators to influence student behavior."
This statement says it all. It is the Faculty and Administration that is responsible for this issue in the first place.
It's an odd statement because the teachers and administrators encourage this sort of behavior and attitudes up to and through college. In reality, colleges through their administrative bloat have made themselves the genesis of these ideas and provide the most encouragement (of course only on partisan grounds.)
I don't care that one person in the college administration speaks out against this stuff when much of the remaining staff promotes and engages in it
I am failing, more and more, to see the benefit of universities. If they are simply churning out fascists, they do not seem to be a good use of funds.
If it makes you feel somewhat better, based on what the NYT reported yesterday, a lot of young people and their parents aren't seeing the utility of attending college themselves these days, either. As I pointed out in response to that article, there's very little incentive for young white men in particular to attend college as well, since they'll basically be paying tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt for a four-year struggle session. What person who wasn't thoroughly demoralized would willingly put themselves through that kind of experience?
There are some areas that need college level learning. Engineering, medicine, school teachers, lawyers. Okay, we don't need lawyers. A basic college education is still important in a lot of fields.
So rather than burn down all the colleges, maybe reform them. Cut them off from tax payer and taxpayer guaranteed funds. Privatize student aid. If government needs to fund it, make it backpack funding.
Do any of those 'technical degrees' actually teach more than four years of on the job experience? While you get paid instead of paying?
Yeah, I think Mechanical Engineering probably needs to be taught in a classroom setting of some sort. I don't know that the math and such would really be conveyed adequately and methodically through OJT.
But maybe 4 years is overkill.
I think basic computer science could probably be 2 years if you skimmed off the fluff.
Engineering school (college) was most useful as a place where one got used to the discipline of meeting deadlines and solving problems. The actual content was helpful as a junior employee too (got less useful as we got more senior). If I hadn't gone, my employer would have had to provide a lot of training and the payback would have been slower. Also, employer wouldn't know who to hire. If you have the discipline to graduate with an engineering degree there is a much higher chance you have enough persistence and brains to be productive. Employers are using college degrees to filter out those who cannot persist.
""Two-Thirds of College Students Think Shouting Down A Public Speaker Can Be Acceptable""
I'm going out on a limb and say 100% of those two-thirds would say it's wrong for someone to shout them down.
> Two-Thirds of College Students Think Shouting Down A Public Speaker Can Be Acceptable
Depends on what you mean by "shouting down". Those of us old enough can remember when booing a speaker was a thing. And others around the booer would tell him to sit down. Still, no one ever made a major political deal out of it.
What's different now? It's subtle. No one ever went to a speaking event for the sole purpose of booing. The booing was simply because they found the speaker boring, or offensive, or speaking to the wrong audience, or similar.
But the "Shouting Down" crowd is different, they seem to specifically seek out speakers to shout down. Attend speeches just for that purpose. It's not that they found themselves wasting their time on a bad speaker, they are there for the cause of shouting down.
In many ways it's a serious shift of cultural attitudes. And a dangerous one. A kind of mob rule terrorizing free speech.
College admins need to grow a spine and stop encouraging it. Even better, start tossing students out for disruptive behaviors. To the point of expulsion if necessary.
To say nothing of the people waiting behind the curtain with the comically large hook to physically yank you off the stage.
Times definitely have changed from the traditional booing as a complaint. And to think students now believe violence is acceptable is absolutely mind-boggling!
Yes, you'd think administrators would take control of this, but they're weak. Money (tuition, grants, gifts, and endowments) is what has control.
Admins are not weak.
This is what they WANT.
Rest assured, if this happened to speakers they like, you'd see harsh discipline handed out in very short order.
Would be good to know how many of the students polled attended elite colleges, big state schools, or community colleges. Seems like it’s usually the elite kids who need the safe spaces since they have been sheltered their whole lives.
Do they ever ask the question "Do you think it is right for someone to beat the crap out of you if they don't like what you say"?
It would be an interesting survey.
Ask "Is it acceptable for you to use violence against people you disagree with" first.
The comments on this article about Free Speech are so poor and pathetic that it makes me think about changing my belief in Free Speech.
The first amendment was never meant to protect what the government or masses found as polite and acceptable speech, that doesn't need protecting.
I find some comments here appalling, but would never try to silence people. Even the trolls.
Conditions are different between a public and private space. Speakers in public such as street corners and parks cannot expect to rant on without disruption. In private venues, even when owned by a public entity, have a right to expect to present without disruption.