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Surveillance

If You Need Pain Pills, Politicians Want To Monitor Your Body Chemistry

Our political leaders envision a future in which high-tech implants snitch about our use of painkillers.

J.D. Tuccille | 9.4.2023 7:00 AM

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What if your medical conditions could be monitored from a distance to assess your health and adjust treatment plans based on real-time information? What if the same technology could be used to track your use of medications, such as opioids, to make sure you're not using them in frequencies and dosages frowned upon by bureaucrats who've never met you? You might already have guessed that it's that second implementation of the technology that interests politicians, who want to remotely monitor our body chemistry to stop us from getting high.

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Big Brother Will See You Now

"Not later than 18 months after the date of enactment of this Act, the Comptroller General of the United States shall conduct a study and submit to the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions and the Committee on Finance of the Senate a report on the use of remote monitoring with respect to individuals who are prescribed opioids," reads a small section inserted into the Support for Patients and Communities Reauthorization Act, which has 63 cosponsors in the House of Representatives. The program includes "identification of cohorts of individuals who stand to benefit the most from remote monitoring when prescribed opioids."

What a future our political leaders envision, in which high-tech snitches tell unblinking overlords about our use of painkillers—or any other health data they desire.

"A government‐​sanctioned study like the proposed one by GAO will no doubt show that, given current or projected technologies, it is possible to remotely monitor how patients use opioids through their physiological responses," warn the Cato Institute's Jeffrey A. Singer, a senior fellow and general surgeon, and Patrick G. Eddington, a senior fellow in homeland security and civil liberties. "With such data in hand, misinformed anti‐​opioid crusaders in Congress will then take the next 'logical' step — legislation requiring all patients prescribed opioids for any reason to be remotely monitored (another example of 'cops practicing medicine.')"

"This will intimidate health care practitioners into further curtailing opioid prescribing to their patients in pain," they add. "This simply exacerbates the misery that state and federal opioid prescribing policies have already inflicted on them that is driving many to suicide and some to homicide."

That pain is undertreated is beyond question. Last year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledged that opioid guidelines have been inflexibly interpreted. The CDC emphasized that "some policies purportedly drawn from the 2016 CDC Opioid Prescribing Guideline have been notably inconsistent with it and have gone well beyond its clinical recommendations" resulting in "untreated and undertreated pain."

Physicians are leery of prescribing opioids for fear the DEA will target them and deprive them of their livelihoods and their freedom. Patients fear being labeled as drug-seekers and cut off from medication that lets them function. Remote real-time monitoring of body chemistry won't calm anybody's concerns about being second-guessed by bureaucrats. Resentment of and resistance to such intrusive surveillance is guaranteed given that diabetics have already told researchers that such monitoring is unwelcome.

Diabetics Don't Like Big Brother Either

"For people who equate remote digital monitoring with loss of autonomy over their diabetes management, digital health represents a step away from patient-centered care," Theodora Oikonomidi of the University of Paris and the Doctoral Network of the French School of Public Health wrote in 2021 about the results of a large international survey regarding diabetes monitoring. The more than 1,000 people surveyed didn't object to every sort of remote monitoring, but 40 percent of the monitoring scenarios that were presented were rated as "very or extremely intrusive." Respondents especially objected to food monitoring, real-time feedback from a physician, and private-sector data handling.

"Participants worried that giving their physician access to fine-grain data about their diabetes could lead to judgment and criticism by their physician if the captured data revealed 'poor' diabetes 'control' and nutrition habits," Oikonomidi wrote. "Participants wanted more control over monitoring settings, such as limiting which data they share with their physician."

If diabetes patients don't like feeling judged about meal choices and blood chemistry, imagine how pain patients will feel about constant surveillance of their fentanyl intake. Nobody likes being put under a microscope over the decisions they make for their own lives, and with pain patients the unseen officials peering through the microscope could impose coercive consequences affecting their health and liberty.

To their credit, the authors of the survey conclude that "shared decision-making could help patients identify the [remote digital monitoring] that best aligns with their values and lifestyle." They recognize that the potential benefits of such monitoring can be best realized if patients aren't pushed beyond their comfort levels. And there is real potential here. As Cato's Singer and Eddington point out, "technologies to remotely monitor blood pressure, EKGs, oxygenation, and more are either already available or soon will be. Private technology companies, funded by venture capital, continue to develop these devices, responding to the growing market for telehealth services."

Cops Practicing Medicine Taint Both Cops and Medicine

But that's not what politicians have in mind when they contemplate remote government monitoring of patients prescribed opioids to treat their pain. "The wording of the study language is too broad," point out Singer and Eddington. "It doesn't talk about remote monitoring for treating opioid use disorder or dependency, but just remote monitoring of patients on opioids." The implication is that every pain prescription will come with a requirement akin to the world's nosiest ankle bracelet, tracking not just location but medication use, with every popped pill second-guessed by a drug warrior at the other end of a telemetry chain.

Drug warriors threaten not just privacy, bodily autonomy, and doctor-patient relationships with such intrusive schemes; they also threaten the further development of promising medical technology. With diabetics already skittish about remote data monitoring and drug warriors potentially turning such monitoring into explicit surveillance of the most private areas of our lives, the whole field may become tainted as a manifestation of Big Brother in a lab coat. Cops practicing medicine can fuel resentment of not just cops, but also of medicine.

People need pain medication. And if some people use the same or similar medications for recreational purposes, or flat-out abuse such drugs to the detriment of their health, that's just part of life and probably unavoidable. As the CDC acknowledges, we have a problem with the undertreatment of pain. It's not worth exacerbating that problem, or turning the country into a medical surveillance state, in the vain hope that somehow the government will stop people from getting high.

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  2. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

    Big Brother and Big Sister in lab coats will keep the fatties in cages, dispensing Purina People Chow from the auto-dispenser, in strictly limited amounts. "Citizen, you WILL lose weight!"

    Starving waifs with anorexia nervosa will be auto-monitored and force-fed. "Citizen, you WILL gain weight!"

    Testosterone being a controlled substance, men will be remotely monitored and injected with antidotes when their own body's testosterone makes them too testy! Testy to the point of questioning Government Almighty's "medicine", even!

    What could possibly go wrong? Government Almighty LOVES us, and our good health, ya know!

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Said the guy who supported any and all Covid restrictions imposed by the “experts”.

      1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        Total lie, by the She-Male who said that it is the RIGHT thing for right-thinking right-wing wrong-nuts to do, to torture, and then drink the blood of, all of the newborn Christian babies, within ceremonies conducted by a coven of witches!

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          So now you're claiming you didn't support vaccine and mask mandates here?

          1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago (edited)

            I support vaccine and mask mandates BY PRIVATE OWNERS OF PRIVATE BUSINESSES, and employers of all kinds, and You Perfectly know that! You ALSO Perfectly know that I do NOT support Government Almighty telling employers and businesses what to do and not do with respect to managing THEIR business!

            You hypocritical Perfect Bitches whine, bitch, and moan about Government Almighty telling little girls that they have to welcome to their sports teams, boys who ID as girls, and force employers to hire blind truck drivers and drunken pilots… OK, I exaggerate, but an intelligent reader will get what I mean… And then you FALL OVER BACKWARDS to bless MANDATES that employers… Like hospital wards for the immune compromised… May NOT “discriminate” against idiots who refuse to protect their patients during a pandemic!!!

            All tribalism and STUPID “virtue signalling” by ideologically blinded hypocrites!! I should be free to chose a sensible anti-disease business to associate with if I want to!

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              I support vaccine and mask mandates BY PRIVATE OWNERS OF PRIVATE BUSINESSES

              1. Why? They didn't work. Neither the injection or the masks stopped transmission or infection.

              2. We both know that the corporations were being pressured by the administration to comply with mandates, but you thought this was okay.

              3. You're lying. You supported government mandates.

              1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago (edited)

                1. Why? They didn’t work. Neither the injection or the masks stopped transmission or infection.

                BECAUSE THEY OWN THEIR OWN BUSINESSES!!! If they want to exclude all customers who do not dye all of their hair green, they should be free to do so. And if I feel like shopping ONLY where all hair is colored green… THAT is what “freedom” looks like! … Also “stopped transmission” perfectly? No! Has modern medical care prevented all deaths? No! So then Perfect Idiots like YOU should argue for outlawing modern medical care!

                PS, the only sensible requirement here is “no fraud via false advertising”. Do NOT put up a sign saying “all hair colors are admitted freely here” and then exclude ALL but the green-haired customers! That is fraud and wasting my time by lying! Just like YOU waste people’s time by lying, oh Great Perfect Queen of Internet Cesspools!

                2. We both know that the corporations were being pressured by the administration to comply with mandates, but you thought this was okay.

                Citation please! Also note that “pressured” implies “you still have a choice, we’re just HIGHLY suggesting”, but “mandate” does NOT! WHICH are You Not-So-Perfectly babbling about?

                3. You’re lying. You supported government mandates.

                Again, citation please! I support government mandates FOR GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES if and where it makes sense. Sailors crowned on a ship? Who can’t fight if pooping and retching their guts out? You bet, mandate away! WTF, they aren’t afraid to die for their nation, but the pussy-shits are afraid of a little needle-stick? They don’t need MY tax money with which to let us down!

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  "Again, citation please!"

                  Alright, here: "I support government mandates FOR GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES"

                  Government employees have just as much right to their own bodily autonomy as anyone else. I mean that's your own argument for abortion, you hypocrite.

                  1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                    "Government employees have just as much right to their own bodily autonomy as anyone else."

                    Being drunk as a skunk every day all day falls under this rubric just ass much as being susceptible to communicable diseases, for no good reason, on a crowded Navy fighting ship. IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO YOUR JOB AS ASSIGNED, for being drunk off of your ass or ANY other reason, then YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE FIRED BY YOUR EMPLOYER!!! Then go practice your "bodily autonomy" to be drunk, stoned, or sick-for-no-good-reason, SOMEWHERE ELSE! I'm not calling for the idiots and irresponsible people to be jailed or put to death. Just DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AS ASSIGNED, or get fired! WHY is this asking for SOOOOO much?!?!?

                    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                      “Government employees have just as much right to their own bodily autonomy as anyone else.”

                      Mother's Lament really said that? Does he not understand the very idea of military service is giving up bodily autonomy, even to the point of dying?

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "the very idea of military service is giving up bodily autonomy, even to the point of dying?"

                      This isn't even remotely true. Signing up to die is the domain of Kamikazes and suicide bombers, you fascist fuck. The military purports to go to enourmous lengths to protect its soldiers.

                      I often underestimate how stupid you are, Laursen. Your pompous tone is a vice usually found in people who are far more intelligent.

                    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

                      Being drunk as a skunk every day all day falls under this rubric just ass much as being susceptible to communicable diseases

                      Are you seriously comparing inebriation with being unjabbed? Intoxication impairs your work ability, refusing a potentially dangerous injection that doesn’t work as advertised, doesn’t.

                      Not only is this a dumb analogy, but your position is authoritarian.

                    4. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      "...refusing a potentially dangerous injection that doesn’t work..."

                      We must ALL Trust in DOCTOR Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer!!!

                      Bitch, You are PERFECTLY Full of Unspeakable SHIT!!!

                      Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!

                      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
                      Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, LYING servant and serpent of communicable diseases?!?!

                    5. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Your graph is outdated bullshit, Shillsy.

                      Everyone now knows that not only were they counting people who died while having Covid, but not of Covid, but they were also deliberately inflating the numbers.

                      99% of 'COVID Deaths' Not Directly Caused by Virus, CDC Data Reveals

                      Mandating your phony vaccine to up Pfizer dividends is fascism, Shillsy.

                    6. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      From YOUR Perfect link:

                      "Such a situation could be described as someone dying from heart disease after contracting the coronavirus. Therefore, COVID would be a secondary cause of death."

                      We ALL know that the OLD are more susceptible to COVID than the young! So they ALL died from "old age"... Covid was merely a compounding minor cause!

                      When YOU Perfectly Die of a bullet in Your Perfect Old Age... We'll call the bullet a "minor contributing cause", to be sure! Especially if the bullet is to Your Perfect Heart... We'll call it simple "heart failure"!

                    7. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Uhh, exactly. A sick person dying of heart disease with Covid, isn't dying from Covid.

                      Your graph was a lie.

                  2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

                    Mike, it figures a soulless, Marxist shitsack like you would say that. You have no concept of military service. That is in no way what military service is about.

                    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      Punk Boogers is clueless about war-fighters dying in war... That this is part of their duties, if need be. All Tribalism, all the time... If Mammary-Necrophilia Farter-Fuhrer says something profoundly ignorant, Punk Boogers MUST agree with Her, 'cause Tribalism Uber Alles! I'm ready to die for my country, but PLEASE do NOT stick me with an icky-pooo NEEDLE, or I might CRY!!!!!

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

                      Dying in war has never ever been part of a soldiers duties, you psychopath. It’s an army, not a suicide squad. The only people killing soldiers is the enemy, not their own government. That’s how wars are lost.

                      "but PLEASE do NOT stick me with an icky-pooo NEEDLE, or I might CRY!!!!!"

                      "Take my poison and then go kill yourself, soldier"

                      This is why you and Mike are evil.

                    3. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      "Dying in war has never ever been part of a soldiers duties, you psychopath. It’s an army, not a suicide squad."

                      Tell that to the defenders at the Persian Invasion, with 300 Spartan defenders... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae ... Tell us ALL about Your Perfect Theory, Perfectly Clueless Bitch!

                    4. DesigNate   2 years ago

                      The 300 men who went to defend the gap all knew they were going to die. The whole point of Leonidis leading them there was to slow down the Persian horde long enough for the other Greek city states to muster their armies and to inflict as much damage on Xerxes as humanly possible. Thus, a suicide mission.

                      Thanks for proving ML’s point.

                    5. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      "Dying in war has never ever been part of a soldiers duties, you psychopath. It’s an army, not a suicide squad."

                      That's what the Perfectly Stupid Bitch said, and She is Perfectly WRONG! YOU wrongly defend Her 'cause She is on YOUR Perfect Tribe-Team!

                    6. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      It wasn't their duty you stupid fuck. The suicide mission was above and beyond their duty and that's why they were immortalized for it. Soldiers are always only paid to fight and win, not kill themselves. That's what made Thermopylae famous.

                      And anyway, we were talking about the American military, not a Spartan army 2400 years ago.

                      American soldiers are hailed as heroes if they die in the line of duty, just like firefighters and police, but it's not their job. That's why they get posthumous medals and presidents praise them. You don't get special treatment for just doing what you were hired for.

                      Just fucking wow.

                    7. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      American soldiers are hailed as heroes if they die in the line of duty... AND IT IS PART OF THEIR JOB TO STAND READY TO DO THAT!!!! HOW stupid can You Perfectly GET, Perfectly WRONG bitch!!! "Oh, I am enlisting, but as soon as the bullets fly, or the vaccination needles come out TO KEEP OUR MILITARY CAMPS AND SHIPS CLEAN OF DISEASE, I am gonna CUT and RUN!!!"

                      Fucking stupid Bitch, do YOU bless this mess in Inner Islamic Canuckistanistanistanistanistanistanistanistan? Are Ye Perfectly trying to subvert and pervert USA forces so You can TAKE OVER down here? Have Ye Perfectly registered as a hostile-to-the-USA alien agent yet?

                    8. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "AND IT IS PART OF THEIR JOB TO STAND READY TO DO THAT!"

                      It is absolutely not part of the job, shithead, and no matter how hard you hit the capslock it's not going to make it true.

                      Ordering a soldier to kill himself would be an unlawful order. It violates that soldier’s right not to be deprived of life without due process. It does not pertain to the soldier’s military duties. It also conflicts with Article 134 which prohibits self-harm.

                      There are several rules, laws, and regulations that prevent a commanding officer or anyone else from ordering a soldier to commit suicide in the American military. Some of the key legal and regulatory provisions include:

                      1. Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ): The UCMJ is the legal code that governs members of the U.S. military. It includes provisions against a wide range of offenses, including those related to conduct unbecoming an officer and orders that are unlawful. An order to commit suicide would clearly be unlawful and could result in criminal charges.

                      2. Ethical and Professional Standards: The military places a strong emphasis on ethics and professionalism. Ordering someone to take their own life is a gross violation of these standards and the principles of honor and integrity that are expected of military personnel.

                      3. Duty to Protect: Commanding officers have a duty to protect the well-being of their subordinates. Ordering someone to commit suicide is a complete abdication of this duty and a breach of trust.

                      4. Mental Health Support: The military recognizes the importance of mental health and provides resources and support for service members who may be struggling. Encouraging soldiers to seek help for mental health issues is part of military culture.

                      5. International Laws and Conventions: Ordering someone to commit suicide also violates international laws and conventions related to human rights and the treatment of prisoners or detainees.

                      It's important to note that such orders are not only illegal but also contrary to the principles and values of the U.S. military. Any instances of such orders would be taken very seriously and thoroughly investigated, and those responsible would face severe consequences, including potential court-martial.

                    9. Zeb   2 years ago

                      You can't order a soldier to die. But being exposed to high risk of death or serious injury is certainly part of what you sign up for when entering the military.

              2. Sevo   2 years ago

                Hey, what do you expect from a spastic asshole?

                1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                  What great twit-wit!!! Did Mommy help you write that?

            2. DesigNate   2 years ago

              I could almost agree with you that it is their business except for a few key points:

              1. The government was putting immense pressure on them to comply with the Biden Administrations wishes.

              2. The Pharma companies had absolute immunity for an experimental drug. A clear case of government playing favorites in the economy.

              3. To my knowledge none of the companies that were pushing vaccinations had previously required flu vaccinations as a basis of employment. And if I remember correctly, they were told they couldn’t be held liable for their mandates to use an experimental drug.

              1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                So you're OK with "Team R" governors MANDATING that employers may NOT require their employees to wear masks and get vaccinated? My immune-system-compromised wife should NOT be allowed to select a hospital clinic where such things are mandated? Shall hospitals ALSO be required to hire (and-or not fire) doctors who believe in leeches-bleeding, mercury injections, witch-doctoring, and spell-casting? Protect them ALL, right? Because FREEDOM! Freedom for ALL except the employers and the customers!

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  Try to understand, forbidding slavers from beating and branding their slaves isn't a violation of the slaveholders rights, Nazi.

                  I don't know what mental illness you've been diagnosed with, but somehow it only allows you to indulge in sophistry and never reason. Quite remarkable really.

                  1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                    All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authoritarians KNOW this already!

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

                    All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!

                    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      You didn't oppose totalitarianism, you're peddling it by declaring employees are slaves.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          You lying sack of manure. You supported them throughout the freaking ordeal. Want me to go back and pull up some of your posts, dork?

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Speaking of living under imposed medications (but not so much on weekends).

    3. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      Here this will help you make up your mind.
      34-R & 29-D Cosponsors.

  3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    A 1.05 billion year old biological imperative is now bad. It's "biologism".

    Wired:Preferring Biological Children Is Immoral

    Most people say they want their kids to be their own genetic offspring—but such a desire is in conflict with other evolving values around parenting and family.

    Someone better tell the rest of the plant and animal kingdoms.

    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      This is why Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer is taking care of ALL of the offspring of "Lying Lothario", and supports the HUGE harems of all of the lied-to pregnant womb slaves! AND of course, supports womb-slavery itself!

      To understand "Lying Lothario" and the sociobiology of abortion, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/#_Toc117957739

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Well that makes zero sense, but are you calling me a stud, Shillsy?

        1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

          I'm calling You a Perfectly Evil Beast, who wants humans to de-evolve into harem-fighting beasts like elephant seals! You Perfectly Favor "Lying Lothario" over the lied-to womb-slaves!

          THE “LYING LOTHARIO” PROBLEM: Well, a lot of pro-lifers are men, and I would bet that even those pro-lifers who are women? Very few of them have found themselves in the following shoes: Lying Lothario endlessly says “Love ya, babe, Love-ya, Love-ya, Love-ya, NOW can I get down your pants?” After she falls for him and he gets her pregnant, the abuse (from him) begins, and she finds out that he has 7 other “Love-ya, Babe, my One and Only” babes on the side, 4 of them also pregnant by him! So abortion is “veto power” against scumbucket men. If these behavioral genes get passed on and on, humans will evolve into something like elephant seals, where the men most skilled at lying and fighting off the other lying men, get a harem of 40 babes, and the rest of the men get nothing (other than caring for the resulting babies)! So abortion is empowering women to fight off this sort of thing… And reserve their baby-making powers for men who are less lying scum, and will actually make good fathers to the children.

          So they want to “capitally punish” the “offenders” (abortion-providing doctors, so as to “dry up” the sources for safe abortions), while they have never been in the above-described (lied-to female) shoes! Willfully blind self-righteousness, basically…

          Or maybe some of the anti-abortion men fantasize and lust after being the elephant-seal-like men who can gather the baby-making powers of a harem of 40 lied-to women, under the new scheme of things?

          I am glad that SOME you oppose theft. Theft by deception is also theft; I hope you can see that! When a severely lying Lothario-type dude (as described above) appropriates the baby-making powers of a deceived young woman, that, too, is theft! Abortion is anti-theft, when a deceived woman no longer wants to rent out her womb to a deceptive scumbag, prospective god-awful supposed "father" of a sperm donor!

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Umm... thanks?

            1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              "Most people say they want their kids to be their own genetic offspring—but such a desire is in conflict with other evolving values around parenting and family.

              Someone better tell the rest of the plant and animal kingdoms."

              You Perfectly said. Now HOW MANY ready-made families already made by "Lying Lothario" have YOU Perfectly adopted, You Perfect FUCKING HYPOCRITE? None, I will bet! But You will GLADLY help enslave the womb-slaves, and tie them down to helping "Lying Lothario"!

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                Is "perfectly" supposed to be a swear word? A substitute for "fuck"?

                I don't speak "insane" so I'm just trying to translate.

                1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                  Also, Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer, You Perfect Biology Expert... Can You Perfectly tell me HOW it is that PLANTS favor their own offspring (of the same species) over the offspring of OTHER plants of the same species? Or did You Perfectly read some Perfect Fables about the "Wicked Step-Parent" plants? And do you want to PUNISH plants that abort their offspring?

                  Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!!!!

                  1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    Yeah, that didn't make a lick of sense either. Maybe take your meds first.

                    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      "Someone better tell the rest of the plant and animal kingdoms.”

                      YOUR idiotic babblings, NOT mine, Oh Great Wonder of Ignorance! Animals (who have choice) yes; plants NO! UDDERLY Stupid Fat-Mammaries-Bitch!!!!

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Add "biological imperative" to the gigantic pile of things Shillsy doesn't understand.

                    3. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      Also, Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer, You Perfect Biology Expert… Can You Perfectly tell me HOW it is that PLANTS favor their own offspring (of the same species) over the offspring of OTHER plants of the same species?

                      It's a pretty simple question, Oh Great Genius!

                    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                      But the weekend staff at the home pretty much slack off on making sure the inmates take their meds.

                    5. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Read this, retard:

                      Plants can actually take care of their offspring – here’s how

                      In B4 you accuse the article of being a MAGA plot.

                    6. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer, we were CLEARLY discussing organism having (expressing) a PREFERENCE FOR THEIR OWN GENETIC OFFSPRING over the offspring of other members of the same species. Your article makes NO such case. If the "mother plants" (who retain seeds for later, optimally-timed dispersal) were to REJECT seeds from ANOTHER such plant, that are implanted, in an experiment, while brain-scanning the rejection decision of the mother plant, THEN you would have a leg to stand on! Plants don't have brains to use to decide ANYTHING with!

                    7. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Read the fucking article, you lazy retard.

                      The plants were caring for their direct offspring.

  4. visttotjunior   2 years ago (edited)

    We can help those who suffer from pain and need a solution
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  5. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

    Meanwhile, the GOPe marches on:

    Mike Pence says he's the standard bearer who will lead them to victory.

    and

    Nikki Haley: We’ve Got to Stop ‘Demonizing’ Abortion

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Mittens places the cherry on top.

      Mitt Romney says the Ukraine War is good value for money

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        “On a dollars per death basis” , this war is the best!

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Pierre Delecto knows a great bargain when it comes to killing people the US isn't at war with.

  6. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Video: There is a figurine of what looks like President Trump’s head beaten down in the White House briefing room

    1. P. Henry   2 years ago

      Looks more like Ted Kennedy.

  7. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Court: City Cannot Keep Woke Farmer Opposed to Christ's Saving Power Out of Farmer’s Market
    Court: City Cannot Keep Catholic Farmer Opposed to Gay Marriage Out of Farmer’s Market

    “The City’s decision to exclude Country Mill Farms from the 2017 East Lansing Farmer’s Market constituted a burden on Plaintiffs’ religious beliefs.”

  8. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Bump: There’s no evidence Joe Biden received money from his son’s nefarious dealings.

    Host: Here’s some evidence.

    Bump: That doesn’t count, and now I’m leaving.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Information that is not heard is like crime that is not reported. They both make for ideological fantasy lands that are complete bullshit.

  9. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Video in the link.


    The DOJ just gave a January 6th protestor a ten-year sentence for breaking a Capitol window.

    Suspiciously, a masked man wearing an earpiece was also caught on video breaking a Capitol window but has never been added to the FBI's most wanted list, arrested, or charged.

    In the video, the unidentified man, dressed like a government agent, encourages a journalist to break the window, saying, "Why don't you guys open up the rest of it?"

    The journalist responds, "Because I think that would probably be illegal."

    The masked man acknowledges the illegality by saying, "Well, I know," but then suspiciously breaks the window himself.

    Shortly after realizing he is being recorded, the masked man quickly drops the window and violently shoves another man, awkwardly blaming him for breaking the window.

    As the DOJ sentences one Jan 6th protestor to ten years for breaking a Capitol window, the question arises:

    Why isn't the FBI interested in identifying this masked man wearing an earpiece who was caught on video breaking a Capitol window?

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      "Why isn’t the FBI interested in identifying this masked man wearing an earpiece who was caught on video breaking a Capitol window?"

      Because the FBI knows his identity, of course.
      I mean, they pay him every month.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Hate to point out the obvious but perhaps they’ve never caught the guy because he was wearing a mask.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Maybe if you watched the video before making excuses for the government, you wouldn't make such dumb ones.

          He was very identifiable.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Putting the kangaroo in kangaroo court. And the kangaroo's name is Mike.

          2. DesigNate   2 years ago

            Mike doesn’t watch videos, they’re too fast paced for his liking.

            Also, he still wears an onion on his belt.

  10. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Looks like former Bill Maher superfan, Buttplug, might be moving his erstwhile hero over to his shitlist soon.

    Joe Rogan & Bill Maher Discuss How Pfizer Sold Their 100% Effective Claim & Why Ivermectin Was Demonized

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Hmm, not available on X.

  11. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

    Monitoring medication or a patient's condition is common practice today. If monitoring can help a patient better manage their pain, then it makes sense to try real time monitoring. Yes, there are possibilities for abuse by those doing the monitoring, but I would balance those against the benefits. The status quo is not working and real time monitoring if possible should be tried.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      The best monitor of pain level is the patient, not someone else, and it’s nobody else’s business anyway.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        Helping the patient obtain optimum performance of any medication or medical device is a cooperative effort of the patient and his treatment team. If monitoring can help it should be available.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Citation that it helps?

        2. TJJ2000   2 years ago

          Since when was politicians one's "treatment team" ???
          Those F'Ers carry 'guns' with them. Are 'guns' suppose to be healthy?

        3. Zeb   2 years ago

          That's not why the government is interested in this. It's about control.

    2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      M4E:

      "Just roll over and take it, it's for your own good, after all! Who are you to question the good intentions of our rulers?"

      Essentially every comment you've ever posted.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

        M4e.
        I believe in moderation. I am the centrist between Pol pot a d mao

    3. MatthewSlyfield   2 years ago

      "Monitoring medication or a patient’s condition is common practice today."
      And this is normally done through periodic blood tests, not implants.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

        And is between the patient and Dr, not the gov

        1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

          That's the real killer.

          Isn't The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated pretty applicable to this? What is "their persons" more than the actual chemistry of their blood, the relationship with their doctor, and their personal health?

          I'm sure I'm paranoid, but I don't want to talk to doctors knowing that the records will be passed on to anyone else. Very little is more personal than that information.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Come on. How are we supposed to have effective, high-tech, authoritarian government if we honor the 4th Amendment?

    4. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      "Yes, there are possibilities for abuse by those doing the monitoring, but I would balance those against the benefits."

      The same possibility as the sun rising in the east tomorrow.

    5. ThomasD   2 years ago

      Pain is subjective. That is not merely an assertion, or an opinion, it is medical fact.

      There are no, and never will be any, correlations made between opioid blood levels, and degree of pain control.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        I have to agree here that a patients opiate level alone will not provide the information necessary. Instead, physicians would need to monitoring several natural parameters that could be correlated with pain. For example, I take a thyroid medication, but my doctors don't monitor my thyroid gland levels, but instead measure a brain hormone, that stimulates the thyroid gland. I thinking there might be a series of natural reactions that could help define pain. I don't think we have that information at this time but will current trends in data analysis it may be possible.

        If this could be done pain reduction could be optimized to minimize the bad effects.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Dream on!

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.

        3. ThomasD   2 years ago (edited)

          “physicians would need to monitoring several natural parameters that could be correlated with pain.”

          Nonsense on stilts.

          What exactly are these “natural parameters” you think are clinically relevant? And how would they ever “correlate” with a medical symptom that is – by definition – entirely subjective?

          Do you even understand what it means to state that a symptoms is subjective?

          Do you even understand the difference between a sign and a symptom?

          What you so blithely suggest is nothing more than a contradiction in terms. Because if such “natural parameters” were already know to medicine then pain would no longer be considered a subjective symptom by the medical profession.

          “I take a thyroid medication, but my doctors don’t monitor my thyroid gland levels, but instead measure a brain hormone, that stimulates the thyroid gland.

          Yeah, that may be good enough for you, but it is not remotely the end of the story, and further illustrates just how much you are talking from ignorance, throwing out swell sounding but entirely empty words to mask your ignorance.

          Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) levels are indeed used for the purpose of monitoring thyroid status. Mostly because the TSH level of otherwise normal health people tends to fall in a known range, establishing a correlation between the level and normal biological function.

          But that is not the whole story. Because we do indeed monitor T3 and T4 levels in cases where TSH monitoring alone proves insufficient. We do not start by monitoring T3/T4 levels because natural levels in otherwise healthy people are much less predictable (ie. little correlative value.)

          And it gets even more complicated when there are metabolic issues that interfere with the otherwise normal metabolic process whereby T4 gets converted into T3.

          Face it, you really have no business trying to pretend you are discussing this in any rational manner.

          You just get off on the thought of government sticking it’s nose ever further into the business of everybody and will throw out whatever bullshit you think necessary.

          Fuck off slaver.

    6. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

      Monitoring medication or a patient’s condition is common practice today.

      I do an at-home blood test every 2 weeks for my blood thinners. It's shared between me and my doctor. The government has no business knowing. And if I'm taking an opioid, they have no business knowing that either.

      1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

        If you have insurance, it is shared beyond you and your doctor.

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          if you have a doctor it is shared beyond you and your doctor.

    7. DesigNate   2 years ago

      Much moderate, so unauthoitarian.

  12. Sevo   2 years ago

    Happened onto a Fauci interview yesterday, where, by careful choice of words, he claimed the CDC never mandated masks or vaccines, and he hoped they wouldn't have to 'not-mandate' them again, given the rise in case numbers.
    The interviewer then cited a most recent study which showed masks to have absolutely zero effect on the spread of the 'rona.
    Fauci responded that might be true of a large number of people, but not on an individual basis and the interviewer didn't challenge the obvious lie.
    If Fauci says the sun's coming up in the east, you're forced to assume it's one of those twice-a-day events.

    1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

      Sounds to me like you are either not smart enough or are deliberately trying not to understand what Dr. Fauci is saying.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Fauci was trying to weasel around a fact, and we both know it.

      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

        You need to feed into a woodchipper

        1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

          I think you're missing a "be"

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.

      3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        How would a non functioning device work for some people and not others?

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          Further, if it 'worked' on an individual level, and the survey included thousands of individuals, you'd think that would be evident in the results.

          1. Stuck in California   2 years ago (edited)

            We all know exactly what his weasel words mean.

            A properly fitted, used under protocol, N95 mask might have some statistical level of effectiveness.

            None of those conditions -- Well fitted, used under protocol -- actually apply to community masking. Even N95s are useless long term, improperly fit, etc. Soldiermedic here actually gave me a nice treatise on the real and substantial protocol medical professionals follow to achieve that, and several others here know about fit testing and efficacy. Normal people in regular life are not, and cannot, do this.

            But Fauci is hiding behind his bureaucratic weasel-speak. Meanwhile, the CDC website STILL has mask recommendations, including horseshit like “No exhaust vents” (based on the completely unscientific axiom if my mask protecting you) or how to wear a cloth mask.

            Fauci just wants plausible deniability. And conservatives are pouncing on his statements.

            1. Bruce Hayden   2 years ago

              It’s idiotic anyway. SARS-2 is a respiratory virus. N95 masks are designed to protect against bacteria and the like, which are far larger. The holes in a N95 mask are an order of magnitude larger than the individual SARS-2 virons. Fine, said the government agencies. They cited studies that showed that virons on water droplets wouldn’t pass through the masks. The problem there is that the time when droplets are exhaled is when patients are symptomatic- when they are coughing. Turns out most SARS-2 atmospheric spread is when the patient is either asymptomatic or presymptomatic (when they aren’t coughing) (it appears that more spread is by touch anyway, and gloves would have been more useful than masks). So, the studies cited (almost all using models) assume droplet spread, and are thus worthless, at best, as well as being highly misleading.

              Your government tax dollars at work.

      4. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Fauci is confronted by the reporter with a study that says masking is useless in preventing infection "full stop". Fauci does not challenge the facts but claims that individuals will somehow benefit from something that has no known beneficial effect. It's an awkward and desperate non sequitur. Either you are not smart enough to grasp that or you are deliberately being obtuse.

        1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

          First there is information suggesting that good masks worn correctly are effective in reducing a person exposure to the infectious agents. The factors affecting a population is different so while masks may not help in large populations, they can be effective to the individual. If you consider that the person most likely to wear the mask is a heathy vaccinated individual and the person least likely probably is unvaccinated and taking little precautions, then the rate of use may show little effect on the population.

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            You.
            Are.
            Full.
            Of.
            Shit.

            1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

              Bureaucratic weasel words, all of them.

              Technically true. "there is evidence" and a list of conditions. Technically, but still not true. Not in any real, practical way, and obfuscates the fact that Fauci would just say whatever would get him another speaking fee, regardless of its detrimental effect on society, throughout the pandemic.

              Is Moderation one of the Reason writer's sock puppets? Or is he just a soros paid troll?

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                Why not both?

          2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            Worst explanation ever.

        2. DesigNate   2 years ago

          It’s m4e, so probably both.

      5. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        "How DARE YOU question authority!"

        [why are you even on a libertarian site?]

      6. Sevo   2 years ago

        Seems to me you're a lying pile of lefty shit.

      7. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

        Seems to me you're a dumb fuck who is still enamored with Fauci.

        1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

          What I am is a person who will not make Dr. Fauci the scapegoat for an incompetent administration.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

            He’s making the incompetent administration the scapegoat. He’s the real villain.

            After 9/11 the DOD took the money that Cheney gave them from the Patriot Act, $2.2 billion, and funneled it through NIH, and it all went through Anthony Fauci. So beginning in 2002, Anthony Fauci got a 68% raise from the Pentagon for doing bioweapons development, and he got a raise of billions of dollars a year, and then he started doing all of this gain-of-function.

            In 2014, three of those bugs escaped in high-profile escapes from different labs in the US. Congress held hearings on it, and everybody was angry, and three hundred top scientists sent letters to Obama saying you got to shut down Fauci because he is going to create a pandemic.

            So, Obama ordered a moratorium, and at that time, Fauci had eighteen different gain-of-function experiments he was doing around the US. He instead moved his stuff offshore to Wuhan, where he could do it out of sight of these 300 scientists and nosy White House officials who were trying to shut him down.

            And he continued to do it with the same people he was funding here, Ralph Baric and Peter Dazak, and they moved their operation to the Wuhan lab.

            1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

              Thank you for this summary.

              Used to wonder why Is wasn’t “racist” to fault a filthy Chinese “wet market” as the origin of Covid, but not the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a scant 400 yards away? Especially considering that it was known to be conducting research that was known to make such a virus more dangerous, and that it had an abysmal safety record (Occams razor, anyone?).

              Of course when you look at it from the perspective of the NIH and Fauci, very much wanting to cover their tracks, it makes perfect sense.

              What is truly amazing however is the alacrity that our MSM jumped on this little bandwagon. It anyone doubted that such media are complicit with their chosen team, you really have no alternative but to admit that is just how it is, and FYTW.

              (and that M4E is only here to shill for the team)

      8. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Kill Fauci and Moderation4ever.

      9. Zeb   2 years ago

        No, we all know what he's saying and it is deceptive at best. Even assuming he's right about masks for individuals, he's arguing that because masks work for individuals (whatever that means), recommending (i.e. pushing for others to mandate them) community masking is justified. Even though he admitted that large scale mandates don't have any effect.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Neat how something that wasn't true for most people needed to be mandated.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Kill Fauci.

  13. Kyle T   2 years ago

    Too many comments not applicable to the article.

    The government should stay out of people's medical lives. On the other hand, there is a case for insurance companies to be involved. If a diabetic, heart patient, cirrhosis patient, etc. decide to eat, drink, lifestyle against the medical protocols, then they should have the right to not pay. This would only be once a condition is known.

    With 42% of Americans determined to be obese, there should be penalties for a poor lifestyle.

    1. MasterThief   2 years ago

      Weekend articles are treated as de facto open threads since they tend to only put out 1 or 2 articles on weekends and no daily round-ups.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      … there should be penalties for a poor lifestyle.

      There is, it’s called death.
      Now fuck off.

    3. Nobartium   2 years ago

      For a ostensibly libertarian outlet, they have zero problem indulging in government mandated holidays.

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        Odd take. If someone is going to pay me not to work, I'm going to take it.

    4. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      "The government should stay out of people’s medical lives. On the other hand, there is a case for insurance companies to be involved."

      And that would include Medicare, right? Which usually results in a mandate for all insurance companies to follow, by the way.

      1. ThomasD   2 years ago

        Yeah, to not expect the payer to want details is beyond wishful thinking.

        But. No doubt it is all the Republicans fault because they never came up with a replacement for Obamacare.

        In case that is not clear.

        Fuck these lying dusingenuous progressive shitbags in libertarian skin suits.

      2. Kyle T   2 years ago

        I don't want the government involved. I only suggested since insurance is expected to pay for treatment, they are already involved. If someone has diabetes and fails to properly maintain insulin levels and continues a detrimental lifestyle, the insurance company should be allowed to refuse payment of treatments necessary due to not following medical protocols,

        As for Medicare, I would hope there are firewalls to keep medical information from other agencies. HIPPA applies to them as well.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          "...As for Medicare, I would hope there are firewalls to keep medical information from other agencies. HIPPA applies to them as well."

          Gonna bet you want a pony too!
          But I do have controlling interest in the north anchorage of a bridge near me and a dim-wit like you should be interested in the deal.

    5. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Well we're going to need to know the definition of "lifestyles against the medical protocols" and who gets to decide exactly what that is.

      1. Kyle T   2 years ago

        If cholesterol is over 300 and patient refuses to take treatment, someone with diabetes refuses to take proper treatment (I had a client die from, primarily due to improper eating and not seeing a doctor when symptoms became severe), etc. are examples of lifestyles against the medical protocols.

        If a patient is losing weight, taking medications properly, etc. that would be following medical protocols.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          "...If a patient is losing weight, taking medications properly, etc. that would be following medical protocols..."

          And if they didn't?
          Are you a medical professional or a morality cop?

        2. mad.casual   2 years ago

          If cholesterol is over 300

          ^I don't know what people are paying you for, but they're paying you too much.

          Cholesterol above 300 is actually, and repeatedly throughout the medical literature, shown to push your life expectancy back up. This is because, between 200 and ~ 280 mg/dL, you're talking about someone who can normally metabolize dietary fat and is just overeating, sedentary, or both. But to generally and reliably get over 300 mg/dL, you have to have a (or more) genetic disease that, while your body can produce it's own cholesterol, cannot clear it effectively. These people will have 300+ TC while exercising daily, consuming little fat/dietary cholesterol, and maintaining a healthy body weight/BMI/% BF and, most importantly, have relative risks on par with their 160-180 mg/dL peers.

          At one point there was a notion that we should put everyone whose TC creeps above 180 md/dL on statins as a preventative measure and maybe not even stop there as people with <120 mg/dL were less likely to die of heart disease (but not wasting or infectious disease or other disease) as any other cohort. But, at this point, statins are a couple decades old and their effect, in terms of public health, is better described as questionable and nuanced rather than as anything resembling a magic bullet.

    6. Sevo   2 years ago

      Eat shit and die, asshole.

    7. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

      there should be penalties for a poor lifestyle

      There are. You die sooner.

      1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        "You die sooner", they say, is in the hands of God. "God willing and the creek don't rise, and my bio-med-stats don't get way outta hand, and if they do, my insurance and Government Almighty don't learn of it, and shit, and stuff, and stuffy stuff, and stuffy shit".

        People who are NOT comfortable with THAT say, instead of "Trust in God", "Trust in Government Almighty"!!!!

        Scienfoology Song… GAWD = Government Almighty’s Wrath Delivers

        Government loves me, This I know,
        For the Government tells me so,
        Little ones to GAWD belong,
        We are weak, but GAWD is strong!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        My Nannies tell me so!

        GAWD does love me, yes indeed,
        Keeps me safe, and gives me feed,
        Shelters me from bad drugs and weed,
        And gives me all that I might need!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        My Nannies tell me so!

        DEA, CIA, KGB,
        Our protectors, they will be,
        FBI, TSA, and FDA,
        With us, astride us, in every way!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
        My Nannies tell me so!

    8. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      How about letting private insurance companies and private customers come to their own agreements?

    9. DesigNate   2 years ago

      I feel like the appropriate response to this is: Fuck off, slaver. But it doesn’t seem like you’re wanting government interference so I’ll say it half-heartedly.

      1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

        But, the entire insurance paradigm is government interference.

        I'm required to deal with insurance, by Obamacare. Which dictates how and what must be covered, how and what coverage I must purchase, how and what data they get to collect, and I must agree to that data sharing, else I cannot have my obamacare compliant insurance and am in violation of Federal law.

        That came from employers adding insurance as a benefit instead of paying higher wages to employees, this being the de facto source of health care insurance.

        That came from the Government taxation mechanism. Health insurance benefits were, ostensibly, tax free while just paying that amount of money to the employee incurred progressively higher income taxes (since it would be taxed at the highest rate the employee paid).

        ALL of this is government caused. It has completely separated the consumer from the actual cost of his health care, making insurance companies the gatekeepers, way before Obamacare and Medicare and their various offshoots, and all of it is forcing me to deal with a "private" insurance company whether I want to or not.

        So, fuck off slaver is appropriate. I'm not allowed to not share this shit, so, yeah. Fuck off slaver.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          "...That came from employers adding insurance as a benefit instead of paying higher wages to employees, this being the de facto source of health care insurance..."

          One of LBJ's biographers wrote that LBJ claimed to 'know little about economics' and that it should have been engraved on his headstone. Ditto Trueman.
          He kept wage controls in place after WWII for fear of inflation. Business, always far in advance of government, used 'free' medical insurance to increase total compensation in order to compete for better talent.
          See how regulations help us all? Imagine if we turn over even more under the (not so) dire threat of THE CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!!!

          1. Stuck in California   2 years ago (edited)

            I think the approved term for media is now Climate “Crisis”, you know, to make sure we all remember we’re going to die in 10 years if we don’t dismantle capitalism and hand over control to central planners to stop it.

            I like Truman a bit better better than LBJ, but there are still many things I don’t like. You’re dead right about the economic literacy issues. Who doesn’t understand that wage and price controls ALWAYS mean unexpected consequences? In addition to the expected nightmare of a correction that happens as soon as they’re relaxed.

            Anyway, people who don’t understand that these sorts of things are going to happen simply lack imagination. That’s the fundamental problem with trying to explain markets to collectivists. They’re too stupid and/or narcissistic to even imagine that someone ELSE is likely to think up a new way round.

            1. Sevo   2 years ago

              "I like Truman a bit better better than LBJ..."
              Low bar, but I'll take it. Far superior to the tin-pot-dictator wannabe FDR; the very definition of a dark tetrad personality.
              Unfortunately, he had Wallace as the alternative, so his death until Truman was VP meant even worse.
              The man was an ignorant pile of lefty shit, interested only in preserving his power and nothing else.

              1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

                I was going to qualify that statement, but the post was already too long.

                LBJ is about as big a malignant narcissist as ever held the office. And I, literally, can't think of anything he did that makes me thing "Well, there's one thing that's OK."

                Truman rose to the occasion a couple of times. Whether I agree or not, the bomb was a tough decision and he made it. The post war years were tumultuous and lots of things we're stuck with to this day up to and including the CIA, were on his shoulders, but he was nowhere near as bad as FDR or LBJ. The Marshall Plan left us with economically powerful allies rather than bitter future enemies like reparations after WWI. And, he had the balls to fire MacArthur, which was a really big deal but needed to be done.

                Anyway, the REAL point is, a sharp stick in the eye was better than LBJ. One of the best time travel experiments that would be interesting to run is "what would my life be like" if that great society bullshit hadn't been shoved down America's throat.

  14. MatthewSlyfield   2 years ago

    As the CDC acknowledges, we have a problem with the undertreatment of pain.

    Last year, I spend a week in the hospital, for gout. My knees were so painful I couldn't stand up without help. What did I get for pain management? Tylenol, and not even Tylenol with codine. And that was while I was in the hospital.

    DEA = Dushebag Employment Agency.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Just out of curiosity, is gout a sharp burning joint pain or a deep ache in the bones?

      1. MatthewSlyfield   2 years ago (edited)

        Gout affects the joints, not the bones. It’s constant throbbing pain, punctuated with sharp stabbing pain when you try to move the affected joint(s). It feels like someone is stabbing the affected joint with knitting needles.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          So kind of like intense arthritis?

          1. MatthewSlyfield   2 years ago

            If I remember what the doctors told me correctly, gout is considered a type of arthritis.

    2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      Medical providers and facilities are co-opted into the war on drugs. They will be sanctioned if they fail to exercise the requisite vigilance.

      1. MatthewSlyfield   2 years ago

        Oh no, I don't blame the doctors or the hospital. I know where the blame belongs (DEA, I'm looking at you).

      2. Johnluke44   2 years ago

        >"They will be sanctioned if they fail to exercise the requisite vigilance."

        Don't they see this coming? Or is there too much money in the control systems?

    3. ThomasD   2 years ago

      While States will monitor outpatient opioid use by individual patients this really is not done on inpatients. I doubt the concern driving your lack of opiate pain control was regulatory, more likely they were just being cheap.

      1. MatthewSlyfield   2 years ago

        No, they weren't just being cheap. I had/have private insurance. Everything was being paid for.

        1. ThomasD   2 years ago (edited)

          While I do not know for certain the specifics of your insurance rest assured “everything was being paid for” is a gross misunderstanding of how the hospital was getting reimbursed for the care they provided.

          I have no doubt they gave the payor a detailed, itemized list of everything that happened during your stay. I am less confident the insurance company gave much attention to the minutia of which analgesics you received, or ever adjust payment based upon such things.

          Beyond that you would also have to assume that the people ordering your medications were privy to the exact nature of that reimbursement AND were also altering their general patterns of behavior in response to it. Having worked in the acute care system for decades I can assure you that is simply unrealistic, at least in relation to selection of common oral analgesics.

          In the eyes and minds of front line healthcare workers (nurses, hospitalists, etc.) knowing that a patient has "good" insurance mostly means nobody is trying to kick you out too soon. Everything else happens about the same for any patient given the same clinical situation.

          1. ThomasD   2 years ago (edited)

            “Don’t worry, order whatever you think necessary, the insurance will pay for it all.”

            Said no hospital administrator to medical staff anywhere, ever.

            At least not since the 1980's.

            Maybe in the 1950s or 60s that was a thing.

    4. NOYB2   2 years ago

      And your doctors made the right call. The correct treatment is NSAIDs. Opioids are not recommended. The DEA has nothing to do with this.

      If a doctor gives you opioids for gout pain it’s because they are lazy and want you out of the office.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        "...If a doctor gives you opioids for gout pain it’s because they are lazy and want you out of the office..."

        And if s/he didn't, did s/he want to lecture the patient on moral behavior?

        1. NOYB2   2 years ago

          Morality has nothing to do with it. Opioids are objectively a bad choice for gout.

      2. Zeb   2 years ago

        Tylenol isn't an NSAID though, so not quite.

        1. NOYB2   2 years ago

          You're stating the obvious. What's your point?

  15. rbike   2 years ago

    Free. Everything was paid for. Sure.

  16. GroundTruth   2 years ago

    Proposed Constitutional Amendment that I've been considering for some while, with an added phrase to deal with the above dystopic crap:

    "No person l shall be required, in any form, to obtain, carry or otherwise bear any sort of identification, marking or signalling device, nor shall any biometric data be stored about any person, except as provided below. Any identification that shall be allowed shall be clearly legible and understandable to the unaided human eye of a person fluent in standard written English.

    A passport, solely for the purpose of international border crossing."

    1. NOYB2   2 years ago

      You are not required to carry identification. However, if you don’t carry identification and people have a valid legal reason to identify you, that means that they will detain you until they have managed to establish your identity by some other means.

      Personally, I prefer to carry identification. Just in case.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        "You are not required to carry identification. However, if you don’t carry identification and people have a valid legal reason to identify you, that means that they will detain you until they have managed to establish your identity by some other means..."

        The mask is coming off here folks. This is sophistry approaching Fauci's claim that the CDC didn't 'mandate' masks or the arm stick.
        NOYB2, join m4e as a statist lying about libertarian desires.
        Fuck off and die.

  17. NOYB2   2 years ago

    Look, I think opioids should be legal and people should be able to kill themselves with them slowly if they so choose. Just like I think cannabis should be legal and teenagers should be able to rot their brains with it if they choose. Of course, I’d prefer if they also faced the consequences of their bad choices.

    But libertarians need to stop spreading this bullshit that these drugs are harmless and that the reason they are restricted is because some control freaks in government want to keep you from having fun.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      The "harmful" argument in part stems from the liberal fixation on harm (see Haidt). And the liberal philosophy that harm prevention is the Most Important Thing, and therefore provides a mandate for social and economic control.

      I agree that we should simply tell nanny-staters to fuck off, but it is easy to get caught in arguments about relative degrees of harm and fun.

      1. NOYB2   2 years ago

        No, this is not a question of putting too much emphasis on “harm”. Most uses of opioids and cannabis do not survive any harm/benefit analysis; it doesn’t matter whether you are liberal, conservative, or a masochist. “Fixation” has nothing to do with it. And the specific medically justified uses that these drugs have are and will remain legal.

        Let’s not pretend that recreational/chronic use of opioids or cannabis are anything other than a fast path to the gutter. As a libertarian, I support your right to take that path. However, to be truly libertarian, we must also end all public benefits and social spending on people who choose that path.

        1. tracerv   2 years ago

          Alcohol, tabacco, & sugar too, right?

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            Mountain climbing, motorcycle riding, skiing; dark tetrad personalities want to control your actions all under the bullshit claims of 'for your own good'.

            1. NOYB2   2 years ago

              I think you should be able to engage in all of those. All I demand as a libertarian that you pay for the consequences, either by paying out of pocket for your medical costs or by letting health/disability insurers raise your rates.

          2. NOYB2   2 years ago

            Yes, I support your right to destroy yourself with alcohol, tobacco, and sugar. And I point out that the libertarian position is that nobody other than yourself should cover the resulting costs and bear the resulting consequences.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      Of course there are real problems surrounding opioids and other drugs (though I will quibble with your characterizations of cannabis, I've been a user for 30+ years and I'm quite successful and still nowhere near any gutter. I know plenty of people with similar experience). But if you are going to use force to address them, you better be damn sure it's going to make things better overall. I don't think that thousands of people smoking fentanyl on the streets is better than people taking diverted prescription pills. Of course there are lots of factors involved in those drug problems, but I think the crackdown on pain pills is not an insignificant one.

    3. Johnluke44   2 years ago

      >"No accepted medicinal use"

      Not even daddy government claims to know why they are 'bad for you,' the public school D.A.R.E. people pretend to know, but that's obviously best taught to ten year olds by cops, right?

      What about LSD?

  18. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    Oh look at that.... Your blood has too much Jew in it. Off to the labor camp with you. UNBELIEVABLE how far the USA has sunk into tyrannical despair.

    This just like the gov-ran-media BS is a bipartisan bill. A gigantic hit to Republicans as it was sponsored by a Republican. F-You RINOS!

  19. Truthteller1   2 years ago

    Zero chance of becoming reality.

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      Give it time. Once upon a time Socialist Security had zero chance of becoming a reality or government-media or wealth-distribution or etc, etc, etc, etc....

  20. Eeyore   2 years ago

    The Tylenol they add to opiates to prevent abuse kills more people than the opiates.

    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      Don't forget "denaturants" (poisons) added to industrial ethanol to "protect" us from drinking it! 'Cause Government Almighty LOVES us all!!! SOOOO much so, that they POISON our shit for us!

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        Exactly... +10000000...
        Remember that day the Constitution was amended to authorize a Food and Drug administration? Yeah; Me neither. F'En Nazi's.

  21. AT   2 years ago (edited)

    This is inevitable. It’s just like your Tesla reporting your driving habits, your Smartphone tracking your movement, heck, your grocery store savings card data mining your food habits. The more you integrate tech into your life – for convenience – the more privacy you’re voluntarily surrendering.

    And that data is extremely valuable. So much so, that tech owners have made its use conditional on you surrendering it.

    We keep talking about this like we can have our cake and eat it too. We can’t. You can live in the Digital Age where your drug addictions are monitored/recorded in real time, or some Pre-Industrial age where your local doctor is also the local tanner/cobbler. Pick one.

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      Politicians picking-one I think is the only problem going on. People should have those choices all to themselves.

      1. AT   2 years ago

        They're just one of many potential purchasers. My first thought was actually insurance companies; not politicians. But let's face it, even if the product/service came with a big giant, "YOUR DATA MAY BE SOLD TO STATE/FEDERAL AGENCIES" warning - most people would still go for it.

        Our data has value. WE still get to determine how much that value is - and we express that value by deciding how consenting we are to share it.

        But like I said - it's one or the other. If you trade privacy for modern convenience, you willingly open the door to pretty much anyone who wants to stick in their snout and sniff around. If you refuse to, well... leeches and blood-letting are still an option I guess, if one wants to keep their recreational drug use on the DL.

  22. Verner Hornung   2 years ago

    Anything on who’s going to do this opioid monitoring study for the comptroller? Or what the contract for it will run? Into six or seven figures for sure, and I’ve a sneaking suspicion the federal government still commissions lots of studies with no serious plans to follow up on the study results. It’s the perfect kind of pork barrel provision, one that flies under the radar—and we recall how frequently one study or another garnered a “Golden Fleece” award from Sen. William Proxmire back in the day.

  23. MollyGodiva   2 years ago

    I am not normally one to advocate eliminating and entire agency, but the DEA has to go.

  24. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Our political leaders envision a future in which high-tech implants snitch about our use of painkillers.

    wasn't there a "secret implants in the vaxx!!!" rumor?

  25. Del Varner 2   2 years ago

    " That pain is undertreated is beyond question. " This is not beyond question. Raising pain to the level of something that must be treated is what was the initial impetus of the opiod crisis.

    1. Zeb   2 years ago

      Which also came from FDA recommendations. Maybe the government should just stop trying to dictate medical best practices and let doctors and patients figure out what works.
      They probably were handing out percocets a little too freely there for a while. But there are also a lot of people with chronic pain who are able to function well only because they take large doses of opioids every day.

      1. NOYB2   2 years ago

        Which also came from FDA recommendations. Maybe the government should just stop trying to dictate medical best practices and let doctors and patients figure out what works.

        If patients pay for what they use themselves, that's fine.

        If others are on the hook for the Ozempic to pay for the consequences of their gluttony, it's not up to doctors and patients, but the people footing the bill.

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