The Town Without Zoning
Can Caroline, New York, resist the imposition of its first-ever zoning code?

At the end of 2021, John Morse hoped he could breathe a well-earned sigh of relief.
It had been two tough years. The pandemic had pushed Celebrations—the wedding venue he and his wife Laurie had owned and operated for two decades in rural Caroline, New York—to the brink of ruin. But with public health restrictions disappearing and with brides and grooms planning nuptials once again, the Morses were ready to resume business.
"We have a beautiful piece of property. But we're not a castle on the lake with marble columns," he says. "There [are] wedding venues out there that are booked three, four years in advance. That's not us. We've always had to work hard for the business that we have."
Morse hoped that 2022 would be a normal, relatively drama-free year. That hope was dashed in November, when a little blue postcard arrived in the mail. Caroline's zoning commission was inviting him to an informational meeting on its draft zoning code.
The card took Morse by surprise. He wasn't aware that the town had a zoning commission. Caroline, after all, had no zoning code.
That makes it an extreme outlier in the United States.
Almost every other community in the country has a code that assigns each property in town to a zoning district and then lays out a long list of rules describing the kinds of buildings and activities allowed (or not allowed) there.
Proponents see zoning as an uncontroversial means of keeping glue factories away from homes, keeping strip clubs away from schools, and generally protecting things everyone likes: open space, property values, the environment, and more.
But ever-mounting home prices and a growing number of stifled small business owners are prompting a critical rethink of just how useful or necessary this mess of red tape and regulation really is.
Once an afterthought, zoning has become the hot-button issue in city halls and state capitals across the country. The debate is increasingly about how best to liberalize the rules that are on the books.
But in Caroline, that national debate is now playing out in reverse.
This was ostensibly a dispute about traffic, environmental protection, sightlines, and neighborhood character. It quickly became a conflict over class and class aesthetics. The pro-zoning residents were, in many cases, current and former employees of nearby Cornell University. They had a very specific vision of what the town should look like, and that vision often clashed with what people were doing, or might one day do, with their property. If Caroline's special character needed legal protections or legal limits on landowners' property rights, they reasoned, then so be it.
But for Morse, the freedom to do what he wants on his own land is part of what makes Caroline special. Far from protecting the town's character, zoning is a threat to it. He's not the only one to feel this way.
After receiving the blue postcard, he started to call around to other businesses in the area to see what they'd heard and what they were thinking. "Most didn't know about it; none of them wanted it," says Morse. "People are going to lose their freedoms on their properties."
Within a few weeks, he'd helped organize a coalition of hundreds of Caroline farmers, business owners, builders, and ordinary residents who saw the proposed code as a threat to their plans and freedoms.
Their opposition would turn what could have been a dry planning exercise into a high-stakes, often highly emotional fight. On road signs and at frigid winter protests, anti-zoners have been repeating a motto: "Zoning kills dreams."
Saying No
The debate that has consumed Caroline was sparked by a dispute over a single property.
Ken Miller, a hay farmer and Marine veteran, owns about 30 acres of land in town. In 2019, real estate firm Franklin Land Associates approached him and asked if he'd be willing to sell some of his acreage for a potential commercial development."
Things were pretty tight when they came to us," says Miller. The always-precarious farming business was getting harder and harder for the septuagenarian to manage, both financially and physically. He'd recently had knee surgery and had been working at a nearby hardware store to help make ends meet.
Such situations are common in the area. Particularly in the dairy business, agricultural consolidation has made most small, locally owned farms unprofitable. One way these farmers manage to stay in business is by selling off some of their marginal acreage for development. That gives them enough money to pay their property taxes while still keeping their prime farmland under plow.
That was Miller's plan. If Franklin was willing to pay commercial real estate prices for the land, he'd even be able to retire with a bit of a nest egg. He and his wife could afford to take long-deferred trips together.
The trouble for Miller was that the party ultimately interested in his land was a controversial one: Dollar General.
The low-cost general store is a fixture in poorer rural areas, where it's often the only food store around. For the people who shop there, it can be an essential source of daily necessities. Having one in Caroline would save people the need to drive farther to shop at a store that was more expensive.
Critics say Dollar General drives out local competitors, sells unhealthy food, pays low wages, and generally diminishes an area's character. These criticisms, particularly the last one, resonated with one set of Caroline residents.
For most of its 200-year history, Caroline has been a small agricultural town. But a large segment of its 3,368 residents consists of current or former faculty and staff at Cornell University, located just up the road in nearby Ithaca.
Many of these residents like Caroline precisely because it doesn't have lots of chain stores and commercial strips. They saw in Dollar General a harbinger of the suburban sprawl they had moved to town to avoid—and they were determined to stop it.
In February 2020, Franklin, under contract to buy Miller's land, submitted the necessary documents to the town government to get approval for a Dollar General.
While Caroline doesn't have a zoning code, it does have a comprehensive plan—sort of a vision document for the town—that calls for protecting local businesses and farmland. It also has a review board that is tasked with ensuring larger developments conform to that comprehensive plan.
On the board at the time of Franklin's application was Ellen Harrison, an environmental scientist and former director of a waste management institute at Cornell. She said Franklin's proposal for a large commercial development presented a major dilemma. Dollar General wasn't a local business and it would be paving over existing farmland.
"I could not affirm that it was consistent with the comprehensive plan….I couldn't say yes," she says. "On the other hand, I couldn't say no. Without zoning, there is no way to say no."
Harrison and like-minded residents felt they had to act fast if they were going to keep the store and others like it out of town.
The March 2020 meeting where the review board would consider the Dollar General proposal was canceled because of COVID-19. By April, the town board was drafting a development moratorium that would halt approvals of any commercial projects for 180 days. In June, the town board approved the moratorium.
Town Supervisor Mark Witmer, an ornithologist and occasional Cornell lecturer, told the local Tompkins Weekly the moratorium wasn't about the Dollar General per se. It was, he said, about giving the town breathing room to finish a comprehensive plan update that was underway.
Still, an undeniable effect of the moratorium was that the Dollar General project was effectively dead.
Franklin Land Associates felt its project was being singled out. An April 2020 letter from the firm's lawyers to Witmer called the moratorium "stupefying" and potentially illegal.
It was a big loss for Miller too, who had to forfeit the $150,000 he would have gotten from selling his land. The fight took a heavy toll on his and his wife's relationship with some of their neighbors, several of whom had signed a petition opposing the Dollar General.
"We were hurt, and we were hurt financially," he says. "That's a lot of money."
The moratorium also presented a problem for the town's growth critics. The building freeze was supposed to last only 180 days while a new comprehensive plan was finalized. But it wasn't as if that plan was going to stop future Dollar Generals. For that, the town needed zoning.
So in December, the town board extended the moratorium for another 180 days. It's since been extended three more times. It's not set to lapse until February 2024. Meanwhile, in January 2021, the updated comprehensive plan was finally adopted. And the month after that, the town board voted to create a commission to get to work drafting a zoning code.
Drafting Errors
Over the next two years, the Caroline zoning commission's draft code would go through lots of tweaks and revisions. But the substance remained largely unchanged. The plan was to separate the town into three types of districts.
Caroline's pockets of existing development were to be zoned as "hamlets" where housing, home businesses, and limited commercial uses were allowed. There would also be a "focused commercial" district where formula retail (a.k.a. chain stores), storage facilities, and other larger businesses would be permitted. Then the vast majority of the town's land was grouped into a "rural/agriculture" district where both residential development and nonfarm businesses were strictly curtailed.
For the people on the zoning commission, this represented a well-crafted balance between protecting the town from rampant development and letting people use their land as they always had."
We are trying to craft a zoning plan that is appropriate for Caroline that puts some important safeguards in place but does not put undue burdens on land owners," says Bill Podulka, a retired physicist at Cornell and member of Caroline's zoning commission.
In relative terms, the 137-page draft code is a lot simpler than what you might find in a major city, where the zoning code runs for thousands of pages and creates dozens of special districts.
Caroline's draft code was nevertheless 137 pages of regulations that didn't exist before."
When you look at the restrictions that come into play, there's a whole giant table of what you're allowed to have or [not] have," Morse says. "You can have this kind of business because we like it, you can't have this kind of business because we don't like it."
One thing Morse had always planned for his business was building rental cabins on a vacant field he owned next to his venue, where wedding parties could stay after the ceremony. But "campgrounds" are flatly prohibited in the focused commercial area that would cover his property.
As Morse got out the word about the zoning code, more people realized their own plans for their land would be banned or subject to a lot more rules going forward.
That included Hannah Crispell Wylie, whose family had maintained a 1,000-acre farm in Caroline for the past 175 years. One idea her family had to prop up their always-precarious agriculture business would be setting aside some unfarmable land for a small campground or R.V. park.
Without zoning, Wylie would have been within her rights to just go ahead and do that. Under the draft zoning code, she'd have to get a special use permit. And that's no small order.
Getting that permit would require Wylie to file applications with the town's review board, which would hold a public hearing, where neighbors would have an opportunity to complain about the project. After a hearing, the board would have months to decide whether Wylie's campground would disturb the character of the neighborhood, be consistent with the comprehensive plan, damage the environment, impact adjacent property owners, or strain public services. At the end of that process, the board could put a lot of expensive conditions on the proposed campground to mitigate its impact on that long list of things. Or the board could just say no.
Podulka insists the review process isn't intended to be a roadblock.
"Review doesn't mean you can't do it, it just means a meeting, or two, or three, yes," he says. "You may or may not have to make some adjustments to meet some of the desires of the rest of the community."
Wylie says that the time and expense of the review process could be enough to deter her from even applying for a permit in the first place. She could end up spending a few hundred (or a few thousand) dollars and several months getting permission to start a business that might not work.
Without the ability to easily and cheaply experiment with new ideas, her family's continued operation and ownership of their farmland was imperiled.
"We have something so beautiful to take care of and we'd like to keep it," she says.
Planning boards and commissions that enforce zoning laws unsurprisingly often become dominated by people who have pretty restrictive views of what people should be allowed to do on their properties.
Caroline already got a taste of that when the town stopped the Dollar General project.
The town's anti-zoning activists like to point out that the store would have been built just a few hundred yards from a review board member's house, which they say is evidence of how personalized these things can become.
"You have to ask permission from people you don't like and who don't like you," says Bruno Schickel, a local developer and member of Caroline's anti-zoning coalition.
Even when personal feelings or self-interest don't creep into the zoning process, unintended consequences will still abound, Schickel argues.
Take the village of Boiceville, a Schickel development of 140 closely spaced, fairytale-like tiny homes whose design was inspired by the children's book Miss Rumphius. The clustered development of the cottages means Boiceville shelters about 10 percent of Caroline's population on just 40 acres. The economical use of land and lack of entitlement costs also keeps Boiceville more affordable than it otherwise would be.
In many ways, Boiceville is in keeping with the spirit of much of Caroline's draft zoning code, which calls for the preservation of open space and affordable housing. But the village's design would be prohibited by the letter of the code, which limits residential development in rural areas to an average of one dwelling unit per three acres. If Boiceville were built today, it would have to consume 10 times as much land. The more land a development requires, the more it ends up costing.
As 2022 wore on, the zoning commission continued its work of refining its draft code. Meanwhile, in the town, anti-zoning residents spun up a guerrilla activist campaign against the commission's work.
Signs went up: "Grandma Hates Zoning," "Caroline Forever Unzoned," and so on. Residents held protests at the town hall where farmers brought their horses painted with similar anti-zoning slogans.
The fight got pretty personal pretty quickly.
When Harrison put up a sign supporting zoning in her yard, she says, someone defecated on it. The Ithaca Voice reported that the chair of the zoning commission received an emailed death threat.
On the flip side, anti-zoning residents argued that the zoning commissioners and town board members were being openly contemptuous of their concerns and flatly unwilling to listen.
The town board, they noted, stuck to Zoom meetings in a town where many residents didn't have high-speed internet.
During one meeting where anti-zoning residents invoked their families' long history in the town, a town board member said they were sick of hearing about people's heritage. In response, Wylie put up a road sign saying, "Piss on zoning, not our heritage."
When anti-zoning people raised general concerns about zoning, pro-zoners told them they needed to be specific about their complaints. When they raised specific concerns, the response was often that the code was only a draft and the offending provisions might not end up being included. Anti-zoning activists could be forgiven for feeling gaslit.
To an extent, the pro- and anti-zoning camps could be grafted onto preexisting political differences. Supporters of the draft code skewed liberal, while the town's conservatives were more likely to oppose it.
But the class dynamic of the zoning fight scrambled these neat partisan lines. The anti-zoning coalition included folks like Morse, whose wedding venue was hosting a fundraiser for a crisis pregnancy center the week this reporter was there. It also included Tonya VanCamp, a nonprofit worker, whose home sported a gay pride flag and a "Black Lives Matter" sign. Both were united by a fear of what zoning would prevent them from doing with their single biggest asset: their land.
On the flip side, people who might have made common cause with the anti-zoners in different circumstances decided to stay on the sidelines. Sara Bronin, a Cornell professor who founded the zoning reform group Desegregate Connecticut, said in an email she was approached about getting involved in Caroline's debate but declined.
The town's debate had less to do with the specifics of a zoning code, and more to do with "rural stubbornness," she wrote.
Yet the hypothetical concerns they were raising with zoning were also critiques that a growing number of academics, policy wonks, and activists were making about the very real effects of zoning in communities across the country. Caroline's seemingly parochial fight brought the town into a very national conversation.
Straitjackets
Caroline's pro-zoning officials and residents frequently complained their critics were exaggerating how burdensome the draft code was, when they even bothered to raise specific complaints at all.
The anti-zoners' objections all seem reasonable enough to M. Nolan Gray.
Gray doesn't live in Caroline. He lives in Los Angeles, where he works as research director for the housing advocacy group California YIMBY. (He's also an occasional contributor to Reason.) This is one of the organizations to grow out of the original "yes in my backyard" (YIMBY) movement of San Francisco Bay Area residents who got fed up with spending more and more of their money on increasingly scarce housing. Beginning in the mid-2010s, they launched a crusade against the zoning restrictions they blamed for the Golden State's astronomical rents and home prices.
YIMBYs face an uphill battle in most urban areas, where long and extensive zoning codes ban apartment buildings across most of the city. The movement has nevertheless won over a lot of converts in these expensive cities with a message that housing would be cheaper if it were legal to build more of it.
Policy makers across the country are increasingly talking like they agree with that idea, and even adopting policy reforms designed to allow for more building.
Three states, including California, have passed laws legalizing at least duplexes statewide. A handful of other states will probably follow suit this year. President Joe Biden's White House has called out restrictive zoning laws in strong terms. (Biden's actual policies don't do much to address the problem.)
Gray himself wrote a book arguing that zoning should be not just liberalized but abolished. That's a radical position even within the YIMBY movement. It can seem hopelessly utopian when you consider how expansive and restrictive the average city's zoning code already is.
But the message resonated in Caroline, where residents don't live under zoning now and many want to keep it that way.
After discovering Gray's book, some of the town's anti-zoning activists reached out and asked if he'd take a look at Caroline's proposed draft code. What Gray saw was a restrictive mess that would bring to Caroline problems that zoning had created everywhere else.
"It's untethered from any actual impact that's facing Caroline," he says.
The code's requirements for site plan review and special use permits would be incredibly burdensome for the low-impact small businesses that would likely open in the town. The minimum lot sizes and density restrictions would drive up housing costs. Even if a restriction wasn't in the code now, it could easily be added later.
"Once these codes are adopted, it's a one-way ratchet that only gets stricter, that only gets more exclusionary, that puts jurisdictions in a tighter and tighter straitjacket," says Gray.
At the invitation of Caroline's anti-zoners, Gray went out to the town in November 2022 to make the case for why adopting zoning would be a mistake.
The night before the 2022 midterm elections, he gave a presentation to a packed community center where he laid out the general case against zoning and what it would do to Caroline specifically.
He pulled up a map of the town dotted with red-colored parcels. Members of the audience gasped when he explained that each red parcel was a property that would be made nonconforming by the draft code. That meant even minor changes to the property would have to go through site plan review and more substantial expansions or changes of use might be banned entirely.
Next, he brought up pictures of businesses and buildings in town, and explained how the draft zoning code would make their various features illegal too.
"So much of what's in this code is stuff other cities are trying to get rid of," said Gray during his talk. Caroline need not make the same mistakes.
Gray's talk was meant to be a calm presentation of zoning's problems. It quickly became a venting session for the assembled crowd of mostly anti-zoning residents.
The first question in a Q&A session was from one man who asked Gray what the penalties would be for "civil disobedience" with the zoning code. Another woman asked whether you could keep zoning code officers off your property if they didn't have a warrant.
When Katherine Goldberg, a town board member considered to be a moderate on the zoning code, stood up to urge people to trust the process, many responded with angry shouts.
Caroline's anti-zoning activists had planned to have Gray speak during public comment at the town board meeting a few days later. That meeting was abruptly canceled just before his visit. The explanation was that Witmer, the pro-zoning town supervisor, was taking a long-planned trip to Hawaii but had neglected to inform the town clerk ahead of time.
For anti-zoning residents, it was just one more piece of evidence their government was totally uninterested in hearing their concerns.
On the night of the now-canceled board meeting, they braved the freezing cold weather to make their case heard in front of the empty town hall.
Morse got in front of the crowd and hoisted a thick petition of 1,200 signatures demanding that any vote on a zoning code be delayed until after Caroline's 2023 municipal elections. Zoning was not what people wanted, he said.
Next came Schickel, who earned cheers when he informed the crowd that two anti-zoning town board candidates had won their election in the nearby town of Hector, which was having a similar fight over whether to adopt a zoning code.
The crowd periodically broke out in chants of "no zoning." Some people in the back cracked open beers. Across the street, a large trailer bore a huge display of lights and illuminated letters reading, "Caroline Forever Unzoned."
It was an oddly emotional scene for a rally about zoning. Most people save their passionate advocacy for issues like abortion or gun control, not special use permits and setback requirements.
The general view of zoning as a dry, technical, apolitical issue is one reason it's persisted unquestioned for so long. That probably explains why Caroline's officials were blindsided by the huge, angry reaction to their zoning code proposal. To this day, it seems like they don't quite understand the emotions they've kicked up.
One person at the town hall rally who did understand them was Amy Dickinson, even if she thought some of the anger expressed by anti-zoners wasn't always productive.
Dickinson is a nationally syndicated advice columnist who makes a living helping people work through interpersonal problems. She's also married to Schickel—and like her husband, she's dead set against zoning.
Dickinson grew up on a dairy farm in a nearby town where, as in Caroline, most of the farms gradually went out of business. For farmers losing their livelihood, the ability to hold onto their property and leave it to their children becomes all the more important, she explains. So the idea that the town would then slap a bunch of rules on the one thing you still control felt both threatening and offensive.
"People take it personally," she says. "Your land is all you have."
Zoning Kills Dreams
Houston, Texas, is the one major city in the United States that never adopted a zoning code. Three times Houston has put zoning up to a referendum, and three times voters have rejected it.
In Gray's anti-zoning book, Arbitrary Lines, there's a picture of a Houston activist from one of those referendum campaigns, marching with a sign that reads "Zoning Kills Dreams." That would become Caroline anti-zoners' rallying cry, much to the frustration of those who support zoning.
"There's a sign that says 'Zoning Kills Dreams.' Well, what is the dream you have that you think is not allowed? They don't say," says Harrison, the review board member.
It speaks to a difference in mentality and material circumstances of the two sides.
Caroline's zoning supporters are typically either active or retired professionals. They live in the town and love it as much as anyone. But they also have no need to make a living there. That position lends itself to more restrictive notions of what should be allowed in Caroline: some homes, some businesses, some farms, and a lot of protected views and open space.
For these people, a zoning code is a pretty straightforward way of protecting the things they like about Caroline while banning the things they think will spoil it. And if anti-zoners are worried about losing the ability to do something on their land, they should say as much, and come to the table to get protections included in the draft code.
Things aren't so simple for Caroline's anti-zoners. The necessity of making a living from their land means they have to be pretty open and adaptable to change. They often don't know what the future will bring. It's often impossible for them to know how they might want to use their properties in the future.
Morse notes that his wedding venue had a couple of slow years right before the pandemic. If business dries up, he'll have no choice but to sell Celebrations and move on. The more restrictions a zoning code puts on the use of his property, the fewer buyers there will be for it. That will tank the sale price of his land, leaving him with less to start a new business or retire on.
Freedom to do what he wants on his property is a valuable asset all on its own, and that freedom can't coexist with zoning.
Caroline's zoning debate is ongoing. The zoning commission approved a final draft code at the end of March 2023. The town board has started to hold hearings on it. Anything they approve will also have to be reviewed by the county government and various state agencies.
New York state law forbids zoning from being put before voters as a referendum. Peter Hoyt, a former town board member who opposes zoning, tells Reason that if a referendum were possible, it would probably be a pretty close vote.
Whatever the outcome, the zoning debate raging in Caroline is revealing. It shows how even in a small community without major enterprises or serious growth pressures, planners can't adequately capture and account for everything people might want to do with their land.
There's a gap between what zoners can do and what they imagine they can design. That knowledge problem hasn't stopped cities far larger and more complex than Caroline from trying to scientifically sort themselves with zoning. They've developed quite large and complex problems as a result.
Caroline's anti-zoners see the problems zoning has created elsewhere. They're committed to fighting tooth and nail to preserve a freedom the rest of the country has lost.
They have dreams, and zoning might kill them.
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Look, Missies! You have an Individual Right to your own Life, Liberty, and Property, but no one else's! Now get off my asphalt-covered lawn!
Oppose zoning that infringes on her own rights.
I'm confused - which side are the bitter clingers opposed to any progressive changes in the way things ought to be?
Me, personally? I am bitterly opposed to having Karen cling to how things should be on MY property! Karen can go cling purely to how things should be on HER property!
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This is an actual story about real people in a town that is able to make its own governance decisions.
You want a story about top-down media narratives and top-down heroes/villains - where the locals are simply puppets, then you gotta go to California or NYC for that.
When people vote for fascism, authoritarianism, etc., that's what you get... And then it can take a LONG time to get freedom back!
When voters have NO respect for individual freedom, we can vote for what everyone will eat for breakfast, who they can marry, etc. It's "democracy", yes, but it sure ain't freedom!
Your entire response presumes that sitting on the sidelines and opining, pigeonholing, yelling at the other side, etc is just how things get done. I can only assume that you too live in CA or NYC or one of these other big top-down places where everything happens via people shaping/opposing narratives and where that process is assumed to be normal.
I don’t pretend to believe that small town decisions will be good merely because people are involved in all the grit and difficulty of making them. They merely have the POSSIBILITY of being good decisions and there are many ways to both improve and impair the odds of a good outcome. Some of which involve an outsiders perspective.
I do believe that any process that is geared towards decisions being made at high levels cannot possibly result in a good outcome. Freedom, to use your pigeonhole/narrative, can NEVER be the outcome.
Small towns have had to deal with the WalMart problem for a long fucking time. And it does have a serious problem beyond just an individual property line.
Then there’s the problem of cowardly assholes who decide to destroy your business with lockdowns so they can feel safe.
I never supported lockdowns and certainly not in your state. YOU are the one to blame for electing the people in YOUR state that did whatever they did because YOU ELECTED THEM.
You and flock of Trump humpers OTOH supported the trillions that was spent to make sure businesses were ‘made whole’ against customers who simply didn’t want to socialize in the midst of a pandemic especially when many were laid off from those businesses en masse BEFORE lockdowns even happened (when hoarding toilet paper was deemed the individualist response to a respiratory virus). Because Trump and all of Congress supported it (except Amash who your ilk despised because he was against Trump).
Those posts back then are remarkable for their complete silence from your ilk. Except when the topic changed to holding R’s accountable – or Trump – or supporting Amash for his vote.
You all are simply shit. And you are now on ignore.
Yeah, just deny everything you goddamn cowardly lying piece of shit.
“I do believe that any process that is geared towards decisions being made at high levels cannot possibly result in a good outcome.”
Agreed four-square! If collective decisions MUST be made, make them at a low (local) level! (If at all possible, that is. National defense doesn't work for this, unless 4,000 some warlords running the USA in tiny little feuding feudal parcels is "cool" for some reason.)
Yet another reason why revolutionaries put the educators against the wall right after they finish off the opposing politicians.
Because mob justice is the best!
Somehow, Shrike, you managed to totally miss the point.
You loved mob justice back in 2020.
The Ithaca Voice reported that the chair of the zoning commission received an emailed death threat.
Don't do this, people.
No warnings. Just kill them.
"There's a sign that says 'Zoning Kills Dreams.' Well, what is the dream you have that you think is not allowed? They don't say," says Harrison, the review board member.
Well, clearly, "Selling a chunk of land to a developer who wants to put up a Dollar General" is on the list, dickhead.
Christian, you missed a huge thing in this article. Definitionally, anyone on that Zoning Review Board in a town without zoning, who supports the creation of a zoning code, wants more power to control the actions of others.
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Pics or it didn’t happen.
You mean of the death threat? Or of Walocking nazi chipper's no warning alternative?
As for internet death threats, they're the best possible way to play victim. I mean, you can be told to kill yourself something as simple for posting a vertical video when it should have been landscape, or not following the hive mind on reddit. You can ALWAYS find an anonymous death threat to fret over, even if you have to make a gmail account and send it to yourself.
Of the threat. Mostly because I believe half of the supposed death threats people receive are from them creating a gmail account and sending it to themselves, and the other half never actually happened with a 5% margin of error.
New reports out show Hunter Bidens lawyers were threatening to put Joe Biden on the stand if Hunter went to trial, causing the DoJ to stand down and formulate the terrible plea deal.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/hunter-bidens-lawyers-threatened-to-put-president-biden-on-witness-stand-if-hunter-was-charged-by-doj-report
“President Biden now unquestionably would be a fact witness for the defense in any criminal trial,” Clark said in a lengthy letter to prosecutors, later adding: “This of all cases justifies neither the spectacle of a sitting President testifying at a criminal trial nor the potential for a resulting Constitutional crisis.”
But prosecuting the former president and front runner for 2024? No problem.
This story is being leaked for a reason. I suspect the "prosecuting Hunter will cause a constitutional crisis" will be a MSM/DNC/Leftist talking point in about 15 minutes. Probably show up on Reason after ENB gets the lastest copy of The Bulwark,
Here’s the original Politico story, if you want to read it instead of a story based on the original story:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/19/hunter-biden-plea-deal-collapse-00111974
Do I detect an insinuation that Don't Cite Me Bro's link is somehow wrong because it's not the original reporting, instead quoting Politico and the NYT?
It’s only good when Dee does it.
Besides your own biases against anything conservative or appearing conservative, what was wrong with the story I linked to? What information is different?
The story I linked to is better because (a) it is the original, (b) it is a long-form article with LOTS of interesting details of how the Hunter Biden sweetheart deal was negotiated and how it subsequently fell apart.
And I don’t see how your or my link has a conservative or liberal slant, so I’ll just ignore your little personal dig.
So you never dismiss sources? There is no difference in the information given.
I find it odd that your concern was to redirect people away from a source. That was your concern. You added nothing to the actual conversation or even criticism of the behavior discussed.
Do you have a comment regarding the information? Or is your only purpose to make sure a conservative site doesn’t make 1/100th if a penny on a click?
If you noticed the other responses they are commenting on the information from the article and not the source.
Your entire first comment was trying to switch people to another source you prefer.
People who admit to no biases are generally the most dishonest of people.
I will also add this.
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/politico-media-bias
Again you seem to prefer left leaning sites and even call them better above. Unless you want to give us a detailed analysis of the differences in information.
Go away, silly person. I provided a link to the original story, not just some random other version of the story. And all I did is follow a link in the link your provided.
And my motivations were: (a) it’s usually better to read the original; (b) to annoy you a little.
Unless you want to give us a detailed analysis of the differences in information.
So you cannot do this? You also show your bias below deeming a song conservative.
Wait, why am I required to give a detailed analysis of differences between the two articles? Is it a law or something? Is that English Composition 102?
Wasn't it just last week you demanded I dont read what you write, but ask you what you think despite what you wrote?
You seem to be avoiding doing so here.
Well, that’s a twisted version of what I said, which is something you seem to specialize in.
What I said is if you are working on a “gotcha” to unleash on me, and you are at all unclear what my beliefs are about some topic, just ask me for more details. I’ll tell you.
What exactly is my gotcha? Can you please be concise with your accusations? I quoted you exactly.
And you seem to be inferring things from my comments yet deny any inference from others regarding your comments.
You refuse to provide more details even when someone correctly reads what you write. Instead of writing what you believe you seem to claim to believe something not written then attack others. This is a form of dishonest argumentation.
I am free to have someone else let me know where I misread you. You seem incapable of explaining how I did.
if you are working on a “gotcha”
My exact words. Do you see the word “if”? That means I am speaking about a hypothetical situation, and I am not saying you are currently trying to “gotcha” me.
Look, the reason I leave you unmuted is I want to see your “gotcha” cites about substantial political issues.
I don’t want to sit her and discuss my character. I get it, you dislike me. I don’t like you, either. So, please talk about issues or screw off.
Victimhood signal sent, Laursen? You pull this crap every time you have your narrative challenged and wind up losing, and losing badly.
You are a little off on what I was saying below, but it’s understandable because I didn’t spell it out:
I have not judged the song as being conservative, but our general culture of those who are too-online has tagged it as a conservative dog whistle. The LP, knowing that this is how the song is generally perceived used it in a public fundraising campaign.
In other words, it’s all about the perception.
Sounds like a laursen victimhood narrative.
How was I off on what you said below? Your statement was short and clear.
Why do you insist on pretending people misunderstand your statements? Maybe actually make concise statements and you'd have to stop walking back your statements when called out.
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The national LP sent out a fundraising email yesterday with messaging built around that song, further signaling the Mises Causus are conservative allies.
That is your entire statement. The only way to read it is by you saying the song is conservative and the LP is now conservative for talking about the song. There is no other way to read it. You are walking back your assertion when called out and blaming others for misreading it.
If the majority of the LP doesn't agree with your left leaning views, maybe it is you who aren't falling into the mainstream portion of the LP.
But you will never admit to having a bias preferring to continue to misidrect and lie about what you wrote.
I quite clearly said it wasn’t your fault that you are off in understanding what I meant, because i didn’t communicate fully what I meant. Mea culpa, in other words — my comment about the LP was quickly typed in with my thumbs, and didn’t fully explain my position.
“The only way to read it is by you saying the song is conservative”
Well, the other way to read it is I wasn’t concerned, for purposes of criticizing the LP fundraising email, with whether the song is truly conservative, but only how it is popularly perceived. And, as I said, that’s my fault for not communicating that nuance.
I don’t have “left-leaning” views.
So you are back to admitting I read your words correctly but then claiming I’m searching for a gotcha. What type of sophistry is this?
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I don’t have “left-leaning” views.
I have explicitly seen you call others MAGA and conservative. Even down below where you call the LP conservative.
Why is nobody allowed to point out your biases? Again, if you are unable to admit to your own biases you will be dishonest in everything.
Another example. Go look at any reason article critical of Biden and nobody will see you actually agreeing with the criticism. Instead you will deflect or ignore the criticism. Yet you say you aren't left leaning. It is amusing.
You can give your opinion about my biased all you like. But I will mute you soon if you don’t start talking about something more substantial than discussing your perception of me.
Don’t spend to much time arguing with Mike Liarson. Once you’ve made it clear to everyone reading he’s full of shit, call him what he is and move on.
"I will mute you soon..."
The clock is ticking!
Personally, I'm biased against the sock patrol. I can admit that.
And I'll ignore your personal little dig too, it's the decent thing to do. I hope many others do to.
I think you just messed up on switching back to your sock puppet account.
Amazing someone is concerned about socks White Knight. No. I am not him.
Evidence that I am “concerned” above socks?
This is the third time you have called me someone else.
Laursen thinks he must be right and everyone else is wrong. He cannot fathom that multiple independent individuals might just think he’s full of shit.
That just means I'm messing with you. After all, you created a whole identity centered around trolling me, so seems fair if I mess with you a bit.
It doesn't mean I'm "concerned".
I think you're just plain messed up.
Go back and read what you wrote, then what I wrote. If you can.
Nope, my reading of your comment was reasonable. I made a comment addressed to “Don’t Cite Me Bro” and you replied to it in the first person.
How perceptive, Laursen, but, as usual, as wrong as you are obtuse.
No one else is allowed to respond? Then what gave you the right to respond, or anybody?
What a maroon.
I didn’t say nobody else is allowed to respond.
I fail to see why it was necessary to read the politico article when the dailywire article isn’t fundamentally different.
Saying something like “this looks pretty bad, but I don’t think it amounts to anything” is more honest commentary than trying to redirect to a different source for no apparent reason.
New York Times also reported that Weiss wasn't even going to charge Hunter until the Whsitleblowers leaked to the media.
https://nypost.com/2023/08/20/weiss-wasnt-going-to-charge-hunter-biden-until-whistleblowers-came-forward-report/
Yet now he is the Special Prosecutor.
They also deport Joe had 3 email addresses. Often emailing Hunter schedules if his calls with the countries Hunter was getting paid from.
https://nypost.com/2023/08/18/all-the-times-joe-bidens-aliases-showed-up-on-his-sons-laptop/
I'm sure he was told about the calls in case there was a rain storm.
"Wow that is so weird that President Biden used pseudonyms when dealing with his family business of taking money from foreign oligarchs. I wonder why he did that.
It's a stretch however to immediately assume that he was participating, like partisans here would have us believe" - White Mike
This was published on the Reason website weeks ago. Why is it headline news again?
Because Reason libertarian fanboys get all stiffened up complaining about zoning.
It's an update of a story they reported on a year or two ago. With the issue still unresolved, there's still occasional related news.
However, the issue will never be resolved. Regardless of the superficial issue of the institution of zoning, the deeper issue of the power of government to stop business operations won't be affected. Whether zoning is adopted or not, these controversies and actions and jeopardy will still come up. Will this be the final moratorium, the last Dollar General?
How dare they recycle old articles on Sunday!
When is the last time a weekend blog post on reason.com was “headline news”?
"JUST SOMETHING TO READ WITH YOUR MORNING COFFEE"
White Mike and Sarchole last week: "Why are you here if you're being so dismissive of Reason??"
White Mike and Sarchole this week: "recycle old articles... weekend blog post"
It gave me deja vu as well.
This is an updated version for the print magazine.
The story of Jack Smith lying to a judge to get a warrant by declaring Trump a flight risk is even worse. As the Judge initially also agreed Trump was a flight risk. Judge Howell initially played along with it until Twitter objected to the declaration as a lie. The Judge responded by walking back her claim but still fining Twitter over objecting. Judge Howell also showed extreme bias against Trump.
When Twitter pressed the matter, Howell suggested the company was trying to get in Trump’s good graces. “Is it because the CEO wants to cozy up with the former President, and that's why you are here?” Howell sneered at Twitter’s legal team.
https://www.declassified.live/p/jack-smiths-flight-risk-deception
Can't you just see Trump and the Secret Service on the lam? With a swarm of reporters?
Reason libertarians dont care about judicial abuse in this case.
“[The] issues presented by the government's demand for private presidential communications without notice are weighty and entirely without legal precedent. These executive privilege issues are distinct from issues presented in a typical search warrant,” Twitter’s legal counsel explained in a February 6 filing.
Precedent. shmecedent. Gotta get Trump! Right Jacob?
Right now Trump wants to be photographed in handcuffs on these charges even more than the Democrats want to put him in them.
But the party and their corrupt judges and prosecutors don't understand this.
Yeah, Trump couldn't disappear if he went to Fiji.
Fuck that cunt.
And fuck all the hacks here pretending that she was totally being legit when she said that she wouldn’t let politics interfere with the legal proceedings.
Donald Trump arraignment oddsmakers offer bets on how much he will weigh at Georgia booking
Oddsmakers are offering prop bets tied to Trump's indictment in Georgia
One bookmaker has set the over/under on Trump's weight at 273.5 pounds
It comes after he accused Fox News of frequently using an unflattering photo
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12422135/Donald-Trump-arraignment-betting-odds.html
Take the over!
AI Isn’t Banning Books in Iowa Schools. Republicans Are.
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AI is not banning books. Republicans are. The law with which the school district is complying, signed by Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds in May, is yet another piece of astroturfed right-wing legislation aimed at eliminating gender nonconformity, anti-racism, and basic reproductive education from schools, while solidifying the power of the conservative family unit.
https://theintercept.com/2023/08/16/ai-iowa-schools-book-ban/
Beware Republicans who say "We are the government and we are here to ban books"
Nobody is banning books. Not stocking Ridgecrest Middle School classrooms with Hustlers and anal penetration guides isn't "banning" no matter how you pedophiles twist it.
"But for Morse, the freedom to do what he wants on his own land is part of what makes Caroline special. Far from protecting the town's character, zoning is a threat to it. He's not the only one to feel this way."
I suppose that also includes Morse's neighbors, who might decide to use their freedom to turn their properties into feedlots. How would that help Morse's wedding party business dream?
Mutual assured destruction!
I'd suggest mushroom farming if you're going that way.
Zoning is a goddamned racket. Anyone who supports it is someone you'd better not trust.
-jcr
Anyone who categorically rejects zoning should immediately move to a house on a modest lot, adjacent to a 24-7 convenience store and laundromat, a guy with at least 20 junked cars and washing machines in his yard, a business that re-chromes metal parts (unencumbered by regulations), and a twenty story apartment tower with subsidized housing. And then tell us how you relish freedom.
You should write a song like that Oliver guy did with 'Rich Men North of Richmond' - which is not even very good.
I much prefer If That Ain't Country, I'll Kiss Your Ass by David Allen Coe that far better represents the angst of the white working class.
"‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ – which is not even very good"
Does it not match the lyrical brilliance of "We are never ever ever getting back together" by your new favorite singer / songwriter, Taylor Swift?
You leave Tay-tay out of this.
Did Sandra touch a nerve, Shrike?
Nah he use to love billi eylish and Jojo... You know until they turned 18
"which is not even very good"
I love that a simple working-man's protest song irritates your oligarch globohomo paymasters that much.
working-man’s protest song
The Oliver song is an appeal for a socialist workers revolution because of low overtime pay and income inequality.
I was hoping you'd go there, immediately conflating mention of a "working-man" with "a socialist workers revolution", because it would show what you and your paymasters really are.
You know what's even worse than socialism in most libertarian books, Shrike? Aristocracy and serfdom like what you're pushing.
Buttplug thinks he’ll be a member of the inner party after the election.
"If only Comrade Soros knew" - 2030's Buttplug in the gulags.
The national LP sent out a fundraising email yesterday with messaging built around that song, further signaling the Mises Causus are conservative allies.
This comment again shows your concern against something you deem conservative. What makes the song conservative?
I don’t actually care whether it is conservative or not. It is widely perceived as a conservative dog whistle, and the author of the LP ad campaign knew that it is perceived that way and used it to appeal to conservatives. (Or the author is culturally tone deaf, which is unlikely.)
Sounds more like a class envy song trying to justify soaking the rich so government workers can get even fatter pensions. Typical lefty commie stuff.
It is widely perceived as a conservative dog whistle
To what degree does this even matter?
The only people who perceive it that way are democrats. Says more about Mike than anyone else.
Well, Laursen is a fervent Democrat.
It mattered back in the old days when the Libertarian Party tried to get the public to see libertarianism as being different from, and a better choice than, conservativism or liberalism.
Oh shut up. Just have the decency to admit you’re a leftist.
LP had better not be caught making "OK" signs. Or drinking 2% milk. Other things also perceived as being associated with conservatives.
Way to be deliberately obtuse.
Cause that was working sooooo well.
Especially with condescending douche canoes like you in the party.
So you don't care about it being conservative yet called it out as conservative and called the LP conservative for talking about it.
Lol. Never change retard.
“It is widely perceived as a conservative dog whistle,”
Only by people that follow a certain left-wing narrative. Which explains why you brought it up, then admitted you didn’t really know if it did.
Weird how only dogs hear the dog whistle.
Lol, further proof that you care more about style than substance.
Never owned property, have you?
-jcr
How do you expect him to qualify for a mortgage without an income?
And even with zoning, it doesn't matter. If you live next to an asshole, you live next to an asshole.
Project yourself much?
And I will bet my income in retirement, from private sources and investments, is bigger than your peak.
BTW, does the neighbor who complains about your gunfire and screaming wife count as an asshole?
^Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a prima facie example of stupid.^
Let's see, does owning 5 different homes in different cities (at mostly different times count?
Four were within municipal zoning of some sort. One was not, but with a pretty strict HOA. None next to a 7-11 or a feed lot, by design.
Does the guy sell parts, or is he just a hoarder? 'Cause if he's willing to share, that sounds like my kinda neighborhood, even if I'm more of a "dechroming" kinda guy myself.
Also, "restrictive zoning in rural areas is exactly like even the reasonable parts of the EPA" is an argument I don't think very many people -- even here -- are actually making. I suspect the vast majority of people are capable of drawing a distinction between a bunch of power hungry academics trying to get their HOA power-trip on in a tiny town, and a business being legally permitted to carelessly spray hexavalent chromium all over the place.
Except for the 20 story building that's the exact sort of area I grew up in. We had multi-family homes interspersed with a steel business, an electric substation, a metal processing plant, a junkyard, a defunct brewery and a small rendering plant. All within 2 blocks. A 20 story building came years later when they replaced the once brewery with an old peoples home.
The trouble is, what's the alternative to zoning? Do you think this will be the last moratorium? The local government already has the power to stop anyone's development, it seems. Institution of a zoning plan and board would only formalize a process that's already under way ad hoc.
The libertarian classic on this topic is “Land Use Without Zoning”, that describes how decentralized, emergent order worked well in Houston (or at least then-Houston) in the absence of zoning laws.
Unfortunately, it was published years ago and it is hard to get one’s hand on a copy.
No, I don't mean what the functional alternatives are to zoning. I'm asking what the political alternative is. It's clear that people in that municipality have come to the awareness that they can use political process to dictate land use. If they don't institute zoning, they'll just do it, or threaten to do it, ad hoc. The power that a zoning board would have is already in government hands, so what difference does it make whom they delegate it to?
Government mandated zoning basically guarantees that land will not be put to its optimal economic use. If you see a city with a commercial sector where no one lives, an industrial sector where no one lives, and a residential sector where you have to drive a half hour to get to work or find a good restaurant, you will understand what I mean.
It's why mixed use developments are the latest trend. Why have a dozen 10-story building that sit empty 16 hours a day because they are only for office workers? Put retail on the first floor, offices above that, and residential on the top. Walk to your job, walk to lunch.
The alternative's easy enough. Disenfranchise any resident who is or was on the Cornell payroll. With an AR-15, if necessary.
Do you think this will be the last moratorium?
I think it might be, now that the town council has pissed a bunch of the townspeople off. They just might well decide to take that power away from the council, or add severe limitations to it.
According to the reporter, of the people who care about it, they've pissed off about half the townspeople and turned on the other half. As far as I can tell, this will be a political football forever.
I suppose the "true libertarian" alternative to zoning, besides a free-for-all or 100 acre parcels, is some some of private neighborhood, with contractual restrictions included with deeds.
In response to those who say that everyone would live next to a pig farm if there was no zoning, they should be reminded of this thing called tort law. And I don't mean a layered cake. That's torte.
Tort law allows people to sue others for things like polluting their water and air, or lowering their property values.
Zoning provides immunity from tort law to people who kiss City Hall's ass. That's why they like it so much. As long as the code says it's ok for them to put a pig farm next door, there's nothing you can do about it.
It's an example of the Bootlegger and the Baptist. Baptists agitate to get booze outlawed on Sunday. While the politician is telling the crowd how wonderful this law will be for keeping people sober on the sabbath, he's taking bribes from the bootleggers who will be selling liquor on the day of rest.
The trouble with tort law in this case is with the initial assignment of rights. You sue for damages from the operation of a pig farm, some judge then has to decide whether those damages were within the rights of a pig farm operator or not; that is, is what was "damaged" within the rights of the neighbor to begin with or not?
You're not going to get lawyers out of the picture. All this argument is over the form of government, not its content. Somebody's going to feel screwed over no matter what.
You’re not going to get lawyers out of the picture.
Well yeah, how else do you sue the pig farm? And I never said the win was guaranteed. However if the pig farm gets the blessing of City Hall there's absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.
If anyone knows pig farms well it is sarc.
To be fair he was super drunk, it was a bet and he thought he was still at the bar.
I may have been raised amongst an Iowa pig farm. Not feed lot style, but a real fenced in pigs roaming the fields at times farm. Even had a pet pig or two
I don’t know much about pigs, except that conversing with the trolls I have on mute is like wrestling with them. I get dirty while the pigs/trolls enjoy it.
Project much?
“except that conversing with the trolls I have on mute is like wrestling with (pigs).
Strong accusations from the chief barrow in the sounder. Have you ever made a post here that wasn’t either trolling or maudlin self-pity?
How do you converse with people you have muted?
Poor sarc can’t stop lying.
There is also a middle ground between zoning laws and requiring everyone to resort to lawsuits.
A jurisdiction can simply pass a law about the specific potential nuisance rather than a zoning law, which typically impose a complex, detailed set of constraints. For example, a county could simply have a law specifically about agricultural noise and pollution, but not generally prohibiting agriculture by zone.
The difference from relying on tort law is that county inspectors could take action directly without waiting for someone to sue.
They're in that ad hoc middle ground now with this moratorium.
Is there any difference other than a symbolic one between having a formal land use restriction code with a board administering it, and having ad hoc land use restriction via ordinance legislated by the general town board?
Accessibility and proximity to the decision makers?
I don’t think you should be able to use tort law because of your property value. That isn’t guaranteed and shouldn’t be subsidized by the government.
Parody is obsolete, Exhibit #133
DAMN. President Biden, wearing his aviators, makes his entrance with the leaders of South Korea & Japan. This is what it looks like for America to be back, stronger than ever before, on the world stage. Thank you, President Biden. The world is grateful.
This one I really think might be parody. If not, it's another desperate attempt to make a "mediocre white guy" appear cool because he occasionally wears sunglasses (when he's not falling down and risking a fractured hip).
Not parody. New talking point. See the post yesterday.
Victor Shi
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Youngest Biden Del. Now: Host #OnTheMove
@iGenPolitics_; @VotersTomorrow; @ResoluteSquare; @CAPAction. Fmr @WhiteHouse; @DNC @Precisionstrat; @SKDK
Sad how many people like to vicariously suck Biden's dick, and probably would do it for real if given the chance.
Shrike just emailed the WH asking if the offer was legit.
Someone should submit his name to the Nobel committee. Too bad Jags Jagland is no longer the chairman.
Gave his feed a scroll and I'm pretty sure it's not parody. There's a few things that did trip my "parody" wires, but the more I read, the less convinced I became.
Seems like it was only a couple weeks ago the Dark Brandon meme was going to save his reelection campaign. Oh wait. It was only a couple weeks ago.
https://www.axios.com/2023/08/04/dark-brandon-biden-campaign-shirts
Well Duhhh.
Jake Tapper: ‘Trump Was Right … Biden Was Wrong’ About Hunter’s Foreign Business Deals
https://www.dailywire.com/news/jake-tapper-trump-was-right-biden-was-wrong-about-hunters-foreign-business-deals
CNN viewers are not going to be happy. They want CNN to lie to them. Just ask Sarc.
BUT FOX NEWS!!!
Sad day when a partisan hack like Tapper reaches the correct conclusion before sarc and Mike.
Let me be the first to welcome back the Reason staff after a well-deserved vacation. Hopefully none of you got AIDS or the Monkeypox or anything similarly awful on your day off!
Jacob: So you going to the cocktail party tonight? Could get pretty interesting if you know what I mean.
Robby: I don't know man. Last time I did one of those I couldn't piss for a week.
Jacob: Dude just use some protec... Oh fuck. Here comes ENB.
ENB: Hi guys. What's up?
Robby: We were just talking about that red state governor who's forcing 12 year old kids to cross state lines to get gender affirming surgery.
ENB: I know right? What a dick. Well see ya later!
Jacob: She's such a cunt.
Robby: Yeah but she makes a damn good sammich.
The pro-zoning residents were, in many cases, current and former employees of nearby Cornell University. They had a very specific vision of what the town should look like
Fuck them.
They always do.
Aaaand the totally independent, nonpartisan special counsel investigating Hunter Biden used to work with Beau Biden.
"Republicans had been calling for an investigation into whether Hunter Biden’s business work had enabled millions of dollars in international deals to be funneled to Joe Biden, a claim that the Bidens have denied and for which the GOP has not provided evidence. "
Umm Hunter admitted getting millions in international deals on the record in a federal court. And the Republicans have bank records of the phony LLCs that the money was laundered through. But yeah no one has provided evidence.
And Reason will ignore it, and the Mike/Jeff/Shrike/Sarc continuum will make a million excuses, while the banana republic marches on.
The thing about banana republics is that there’s still a way to change the government, it just involves military coups or revolutions.
Wow. It looks like LA could get 2 inches of rain and 30MPH winds. I sure hope we don't see price gouging out of towners selling wiper blades on the street at inflated prices. But I'm glad they named this storm after Hilary. It was her turn.
They are asking people to evacuate lol.
They desperately need the rain in San Francisco to wash the turds off the streets. The feces, too.
I see what you did there, LOL.
https://twitter.com/FreeNortherner/status/1693159912530956609?t=8OiyP4_Bz_Q0-WX6QaK-MA&s=19
The what part of this cartoon, is how Angrywhitemenistan needs a wall to keep people out.
The cartoonist hates, "angry white men", but still subconsciously knows that their society would be so great, that, if given a choice, everybody else would try to live among them.
[Leftist cartoon]
I guess the sign for the wall around the People's Democratic Republic of Social Justice Equity Land would outlaw these things:
Free Speech
Private Commerce
Government Criticism
Equality
Guns (duh)
White Males who have not been certified compliant and submissive
The rumors are getting louder and louder by the day now that this scumbag so-called president Robert L. Peters is thinking about reinstating mask mandates, and possibly even lockdowns as well.
My fantasy is that every single person in this country not already permanently brain-damaged will defy it if and when it happens, but in reality I know most of the pathetic sheeple are going to bend over and take it up the rear al over again.
Not worried about it. He can't force the states to do it, One look at polling data and he won't do it. Mask mandates are done.
And now having written that, we're in an election cycle, and he may need something like a mask mandate to distract form the Bidenomics failure.
Where are these rumors coming from?
Probably the RNC.
Are you kidding?
Of course I am. Or maybe I'm not.
Is Robert L. Peters where Hunter's "Pedo Pete" references originate?
I think “pedo Pete” was what Hunter called Biden.
Yeah. Did the Pete in Pedo Pete come from Biden's pseudonym "Robert L. Peters"?
Hint; Hint - Home Owners Association.....
Not everything has to be controlled by Gov-Gods.
If you want control of everything around you then BUY everything around you. For neighboring actions that affect you; there's tort law as sarcasmic points out and if you don't want to leave it to violation law there's Hint; Hint - Start a Home Owners Association.
The problem is; People who want to control what they don't want to buy.... Either pay to have control of it, work out a deal (HOA) to maintain control of it or just bugger off with the gov-guns will make them do what I want.
Pretty sure zoning supersedes HOA rules.
Colorados Governor Polis- Democrat- pushed the largest bill in Colorado legislative history to takeover all HOA covenants in the state. The land grab would be administered by a hand selected state committee on affordable housing (Section 8 vouchers funded through federal taxes). If you’re in a blue state, an HOA will not protect you from anything.
Most libertarian governor according to Reason
Reality keeps letting them down.
So dreamy.
I remember how you used to say
You'd never change, but that's not true
Oh, Caroline, you
Break my heart
I want to go and cry
It's so sad to watch a sweet thing die
Oh, Caroline, why?
Could I ever find in you again
The things that made me love you so much then?
Could we ever bring 'em back once they have gone?
Oh, Caroline, no
The Rooskies screwed the pooch:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/20/world/luna-25-spacecraft-moon-collision-intl/index.html
CNN doesn't count as news because they were mean to Trump. Here's a link to real news.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12425749/Russias-Luna-25-smashes-moon-failure.html
India, Japan and the US just crashed probes on the moon recently too.
If you two weren’t bien pensant midwits whose knowledge is limited to the most recent week of CNN headlines, you’d know that crashing moon probes are the rule rather than the exception. Space exploration is hard.
And if there's one thing Trump supporters can't abide, it's people being mean!
Your ass will never recover from all those mean tweets will it?
CNN hasn’t been real news for the better part of two decades. Possibly longer.
News is news.
Opinion is not news.
Opinion with news is an agenda.
Do libertarians have an agenda? Yeah. To take control and leave everyone alone.
Saw articles about shortages in L.A. Politicians blame natural disasters. Economists blame price controls. See if Reason runs an article on it, or recycles Stossel.
Do you mean storm-related shortages or just shortages in general?
(I'm interested for political reasons, but also because I have a lot of family there.)
You're literally the only two unpaid commenters here you can still have a conversation with, without being told to fuck off.
Price controls are an attempt by legislators to defy the laws of supply and demand.
When the supply of something drops, the price goes up. People ration by price and buy less, leaving some for the rest of the people in line.
Price controls mean the price doesn’t change, so first people in line buy it all leaving everyone else without. Remember gas lines in the 70s? That was price controls. Makes people rationed by time waiting or searching, as opposed to price.
Similar thing happened recently with toilet paper. Had stores been able to raise prices it would have cost more, but isn’t $20 toilet paper better than none at all? Or spending time waiting for the shipment?
Apply the same idea to bottled water and frozen pizza in a natural disaster. Not allowing grocers to raise prices means the stores are all cleaned out. If you didn’t think ahead you’re fucked. Without price controls a bottle of water might cost $20, but that's better than no water at all. Isn't it?
Everyone blames the emergency, when it’s really the politicians that cause the shortages.
It wasn't that long ago "shortages" wasn't even an issue.
Welcome to the USSR.. F'En socialists.
The pandemic had pushed Celebrations—the wedding venue he and his wife Laurie had owned and operated for two decades in rural Caroline, New York—to the brink of ruin.
That darned pandemic...
Supporters of the draft code skewed liberal, while the town's conservatives were more likely to oppose it.
What? Oh no!
Gray doesn't live in Caroline. He lives in Los Angeles, where he works as research director for the housing advocacy group California YIMBY.
Oh, do I have to do the same research on this guy that I did for the Seattle group Reason touted that openly supported rent-control and equity-based housing?
Lessee here:
Ok, they just wasted a whole bunch of space telling me their plan is equitable, just, inclusive, affordable. Still looking for the meat and potatoes.
Ok, more equity, all about being "our authentic selves"... man all my spidey senses are a-tinglin'.
So we want zoning changes, but those changes can't come with "displacement". And again, they don't tolerate things that are intolerable.
So more equity, inclusion, rainbow flags, not one word about what... exactly they're doing to reduce the regulatory burden on regular folks...
Still digging for gritty details, finally finding some.
That's promising. Let's see what it says specifically:
C'mon, Rand Paul, masks aren't mere talismans! Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We just stuck in some clarifications on CEQA. Don't get your panties in a ruffle.
I'm pretty underwhelmed, to say the least.
Ok, skin color keeps worming its way in here. They just can't help themselves.
Well, that didn't take long. This YIMBY group doesn't believe in removing zoning, they just want it changed to cover low-income designated housing that is rent controlled
What's objectionable about all that? They want to make sure some agency doesn't use some unintended interpretation of the CEQA to raze low-income housing.
Besides the race based essentialism and the protection of rent-control?
It’s not protection of rent control on housing, just of housing that is rent-controlled. It’s like the difference between a law protecting a master-slave relationship and one making it illegal to kill somebody else's slaves.
And the race based essentialism is just about their priorities, not their direction.
ANY dezoning system designed to lower housing costs should be calling for the total elimination of any rent control, period, as rent controls are one of the singular things that raise housing costs and lower inventory.
Oh yeah, YIMBY, THIS is gonna lower housing costs through the floor! GET ON THE TRAIN!
Rent control policies could be better-targeted to promote integration, but there needs to be more research on this approach.
This is all the research I can do, but my key takeaway from California YIMBY is they're nibbling around an issue that so huge that they're likely to have zero effect, and in some specific cases, make the problem worse.
I get the realities of California. No libertarian cowboy is going to swing in and DEzone the joint, but this really is... at best, a tempest in a thimble.
As long as they all get paid handsome salaries by a wealthy benefactor and/or rent seeking from government grants they will have achieved their primary goal.
I wonder if any of those current and former employees at Cornell university have talked to people from the economics or urban planning department about zoning. I ask, because the economists and urban planners who I have read and listened to hate zoning. See Harvard professor Edward Glaeser and the graduate student who runs the Youtube channel City Beautiful.
what the hack….
I've never really noticed how big chunks of land in US...
I have no idea how a neighbourhood works without shops...
Great article, Mike. I appreciate your work. Your article inspires me.
Thanks a lot.
The ironic thing here is that the staunch anti-zoning folks are the first one that would complain of an obnoxious use was going to be built next to their property and would scream to government about it.
Zoning is about, or should be about, drawing lines to encourage compatibility.
Would the guy that wants to build cabins next to his venue welcome a processing plant next door that emits smells and where the morning shift starts at 6:00 am, with the employee parking lot just feet from those cabins? Hyperbole? maybe a bit, but the illustration should make a point. But even in a residential neighborhood zoning can ensure that outliers don't screw up a neighbors life and even the value of their investment .
The overwhelming majority of anti-zoning folks don't want anyone to tell them what they can do with their property but they are just fine telling others what they should do.
Cite?
I think you have that backwards. Zoning-fan folks are always the one's to complain what their neighbors do with their own property. As-if their complaints were the very reason zoning occurs. As-if this article didn't complete demonstrate that.
However; Nice try at flipping things completely on their head.
You would've made a much better point saying city-level government justifiably (but should they?) makes zoning because of the tight spaced residential lots not adhering to feasibly allowing any resident to purchase all the acreage of land they want to control. But still; control in tight quarters can be agreed upon by parties 'directly' involved. It really doesn't; nor does it represent properly to have a large city counsel who has NO SKIN in specific neighboring actions to have control/say on that specific subject. It should be an HOA between neighbors.
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