Appeals Court Rules in Much-Anticipated Abortion Pills Case
Plus: Court urged to stop Arkansas' social media age verification law from taking effect in September, legalizing medical marijuana linked to lower insurance premiums, and more...

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit has issued a much-anticipated ruling in a case concerning the legal status of the abortion-inducing drug mifepristone. The decision includes good and bad news for supporters of status-quo access to the abortion pill.
In a 2–1 decision released Wednesday, a three-judge panel of the appeals court rejected the parts of a lower court's ruling saying that the Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine—the group challenging the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) initial approval of mifepristone back in 2000 and its generic approval in 2019—had standing to bring these challenges and had done so in a timely manner. "We vacate the component of the order that stayed the effective date of the 2000 Approval and the 2019 Generic Approval," wrote 5th Circuit Judge Jennifer Walker Elrod for the majority.
But the 5th Circuit was sympathetic to the idea that later directives loosening restrictions on prescribing and dispensing mifepristone—including 2021 FDA actions allowing abortion pills to be prescribed virtually and received by mail and 2016 guidance allowing for lower doses to be prescribed—could be successfully contested by the Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine. The court affirmed the parts of the lower court's ruling that nixed these 2016 and 2021 prescribing rule changes.
"The court tries to turn back the clock on medical science and prevent doctors from following current medical evidence," said Jennifer Dalven, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Reproductive Freedom Project, in a statement.
Despite the ruling, nothing about the way mifepristone is prescribed or dispensed must change immediately. "Although the appeals court would make access to the drug more restrictive, including by requiring in-person dispensing again, an earlier U.S. Supreme Court order means that the ruling does nothing to change mifepristone's accessibility," explains law blogger Chris Geidner. "The drug remains available on current terms."
The new ruling stems from a case brought in Texas by the Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine. In April, U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk ruled in the group's favor, holding that the FDA erred in approving mifepristone more than two decades ago and when it later loosened prescribing restrictions.
Kacsmaryk said that access to the drug should be suspended. On the same day, however, a federal judge in Washington state held that federal authorities should not restrict access to mifepristone.
Meanwhile, the Department of Justice appealed the anti-mifepristone ruling. And the 5th Circuit partially paused the lower court's decision pending the appeals court's ruling on the merits of the case. "Basically, the [5th Circuit] panel stayed those portions of the order suspending the FDA's 2000 approval of mifepristone, but not those concerning actions taken by FDA concerning mifepristone in 2016 or later," explained Jonathan Adler at The Volokh Conspiracy.
The Supreme Court waded into the controversy in late April, granting the government's request for a stay "pending disposition of the appeal in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit" and halting any implementation of future rulings on the case pending Supreme Court review.
The case is now in the Supreme Court's hands.
"Under the Supreme Court's [April] order, the Fifth Circuit's decision would go into effect either if the Supreme Court doesn't take up the case on appeal or if it takes the case and affirms the Fifth Circuit," Geidner explains.
Notably, the 5th Circuit avoided ruling on Comstock Act claims, which had been part of the Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine's initial challenge and Kacsmaryk's order.
"Originally passed in 1873 and named for an anti-vice crusader, the Comstock Act was intended to prohibit the mailing of contraceptives, 'lewd' writings and any 'instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing' that could be used in an abortion," explains PBS.
Kacsmaryk agreed with the Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine that the Comstock Act bans the mailing of mifepristone. Allowing the "dispensing of chemical abortion drugs through mail violates unambiguous federal criminal law," he wrote. The FDA's 2021 guidance saying mifepristone needn't be prescribed in person was also "arbitrary and capricious," Kacsmaryk held.
Agreeing with the "arbitrary and capricious" part of Kacsmaryk's order there, the 5th Circuit "did not consider the Comstock Act claim raised by the challengers — a claim that has gotten significant attention due to its potentially wide-reaching effects," notes Geidner.
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Government can't condition social media participation on sharing personal information, argues tech group. The tech trade association NetChoice is challenging Arkansas' age verification law (S.B. 396), which requires large social media providers to check IDs when anyone creates a new account and block users under age 18 unless they have parental consent. The law is set to take effect on September 1. A court heard oral arguments in the case—NetChoice v. Griffin—this week.
"NetChoice filed its complaint in June, arguing, among other things, that SB 396 is a content, speaker and viewpoint based restriction on speech," explained Nicole Saad Bembridge, associate counsel at NetChoice, on Twitter. "Core 1A activity takes place online — govt can't make participation contingent on willingness to share sensitive personal info."
This week, NetChoice asked the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Arkansas to prevent S.B. 396 from taking effect while the group's First Amendment challenge to it plays out.
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States where medical marijuana is legal have lower health insurance premiums than states where marijuana is still completely criminalized, according to a new study published in the International Journal of Drug Policy. For the study, researchers analyzed state-level data from private health insurers covering the period between 2010 and 2021, looking at premiums for individual (not employer-sponsored or Medicaid) plans.
"Seven years after the implementation of Medical Cannabis laws, we observe lower health insurer premiums in the individual market," they found. "Due to the nature of insurance pooling and community rating, these savings are appreciated by cannabis users and non-users alike in states that have implemented [medical cannabis laws].
"While the reductions were modest immediately following implementation, the study found that by seven years afterward, annual premiums had fallen $1,663 compared to states in the control group," explains Marijuana Moment. "Similar reductions were seen after eight years ($1,542) and nine years ($1,626), indicating that the decline was fairly stable over time."
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• The lab-leak theory of COVID-19's origins still counts as "misinformation" in a new study published by the Journal of the American Medical Association.
• A Texas prison officer is suing the Texas Department of Criminal Justice and officials at the prison where she worked after being delayed for hours when, at seven months pregnant, she said she needed to go to the hospital during one of her shifts. The suit was brought on behalf of herself and her fetus, who was stillborn at the hospital. "But the prison agency and the Texas attorney general's office, which has staked its reputation on 'defending the unborn'…[said] it's not clear that [the] fetus had rights as a person," reports The Texas Tribune.
• Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is abusing Georgia's terrible RICO law, argues Reason's Joe Lancaster.
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BIDEN-OMICS MISERY UPDATE!
Aug 16 (Reuters) - The U.S. economy is likely growing at a 5.8% annualized rate in the third quarter, the Atlanta Federal Reserve’s GDPNow forecast model showed on Wednesday following the release of data on housing starts and industrial production.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/atlanta-fed-model-lifts-us-third-quarter-gdp-view-58-2023-08-16/
BUT THEY IS TRANNIES DANCING EVERWHERE!
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
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Buttplug's daily curbstomping begins.
Ahhh. Another Atlanta Fed projection. Which means it will be greatly reduced once the numbers come in. Their track record is consistently bad. Basically propping up models to defend Joe.
Weird how you rely solely on projections and never the actual numbers.
Not weird at all. He uses projections instead of the actual numbers because he's paid to misrepresent and lie.
In MAGA world a really high GDP could be revised downward later. So Donnie posted really lousy GDP numbers as a strategy so there is room to adjust upward. Like 2% or less. His 4 year average was just 1.6%.
Old Joe posts a 5.8% and so that is bad in MAGA terms.
We get it.
So basically, Joe lied to us like you lie to us, Jeffy aka Shrike, aka whateverthefuckyouare.
Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"Old Joe posts a 5.8% and so that is bad in MAGA terms."
Lying via phoney projections? Yeah, that is bad.
But not for you of course, dishonesty is the air you breathe.
Housing starts are likely multi-family housing as the housing affordability index is, well, let's just say it's low.
Probably not a good sign in the bigger picture of the economy, even if it does puff up the numbers for a quarter.
The lab-leak theory of COVID-19's origins still counts as "misinformation" in a new study published by the Journal of the American Medical Association.
CREDIBILITY: INTACT
Wrong thread, but Reason's steam-powered server tried to do it to me also.
Sooooo...Bat Soup from a wet market is real, even though there was never a call to mask up doggies, kitties, hamsters, gerbils, and livestock?
(And if you think anti- maskers are mean, just try putting one on a cat.)
🙂
😉
Oh, I'm sure some fucking nutjob called for masking pets at some point.
Yup
I was asked to wear a mask when I was standing outside near chickens at a nature preserve.
So you're the guy that jacked up the price of eggs.
In china they didn't bother masking pets they just rounded them up and killed them. i wonder what they did with after that?
Damning thread
https://twitter.com/byPeterParadise/status/1692009148484059432?t=Q3pno6EyeTr0ncDrzLqwsQ&s=19
With COVID’s man-made origins being revealed, it’s worth re-examining the dark origins of Lyme disease, another bioweapon leak that continues to infect millions of Americans. THREAD on Lyme’s origins, Cold War bioweapons, and why this will happen again:
[Thread, links]
That was less nutty and more scary than I expected when first clicking.
Yep
Are they predicting an uptick in Lyme Disease cases?
On a similar topic I ended up going down this rabbit hole yesterday.
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-why-the-media-fears-rfk-jr/#avoiding-kennedy-assassination-conspiracies
It includes a deep dive into the HIV/AIDS story which put a major dent in my former ignorant acceptance of the conventional wisdom. As with the thread on Lyme disease the information it appears has been in the public record for decades. I'm afraid if I were to investigate every conspiracy theory out there it would be too terrifying to contemplate.
Conspiracy theory in 2019: "The Devil, Rob Reiner and aliens are poisoning our drinking water"
Me then: "Lol, whatever"
Conspiracy theory in 2023: "The Devil, Rob Reiner and aliens are poisoning our drinking water"
Me now: "Oh no!"
Interesting. I know from working with cats that there is a similar virus, FIV, that can compromise the immune system in cats, but not lead toward a cat-AIDS however.
I also found this passage interesting in the article:
Several years later, a similar development unfolded at "Reason", the glossy flagship publication of America’s libertarian movement. The magazine ran a long cover story endorsing Duesberg’s claims and authored by three of his scientific allies, one of them a former Harvard Medical School professor and another a recent Nobel Laureate. Once again the result was a huge outpouring of both supportive and critical reactions, and the lengthy debate was published in a subsequent issue.
- We still don’t know what causes AIDS
Charles A. Thomas Jr., Kary B. Mullis, and Phillip E. Johnson • Reason • June 1994 • 4,600 Words
Back when Reason was a real libertarian magazine.
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is abusing Georgia's terrible RICO law...
Imagine what abuses Fani regularly unleashes on the little people.
Depends on skin color
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is abusing Georgia's terrible RICO law, argues Reason's Joe Lancaster.
Bullshit. Everyone at tReason is a leftist, which means they all fully support the prosecution of Trump. So that article simply cannot exist.
Weren’t you just talking about bad faith arguments just yesterday?
No, it's been for the last 7 years.
Jesse said "about bad faith arguments" not "in bad faith arguments" which is what Sarc has been dealing in over the last 7 years. Easy mistake to make.
What I say is offensive only because it’s true. In the future people in the comments, they know who they are, will insist everyone at Reason supported RICO laws being used against Trump and anyone who says otherwise will be called a liar. Just watch.
Here's a very clear and direct question for you, sarcasmic.
Do YOU support RICO laws being used against Trump?
Cite?
In the future you will lie about what you've said despite links and exact words. I can give actual examples.
The guy used the word, “indefensible”!!!
I think you put that in the wrong spot.
Wow, even though I had you muted I had the bad faith down. One article that assumes guilt but is aware enough to think it's bad given Democrats is of course offsetting to his and every other writer's fact and context free assertion of guilt. Got it.
Care to comment on the FBI suppression of Hunter's laptop or Ashley's diary, how about the damning proof of corruption by Joe or the scam impeachment to protect Joe from his crimes? Of course that's all fine for leftists like you.
Lancaster’s entire argument against Georgia’s overreaching RICO laws was negated by his calling Trump’s actions “indefensible”, don’t ya know.
Reason writers must not only stick up for Trump’s legal rights, they must believe he did nothing wrong ethically!
Don't you have someone to ask for citations from or White Knight?
Troll Logic just posted a gray box in reply to my comment, which means there will be a Cite Me, Bro comment in about 5 minutes, just as soon as Troll Logic switches to his other browser tab.
Man, you really are that dumb, Laursen. There's one one of me, and no socks to speak of. I can get one if you'd like, to match the ones you've used in the not-so-distant past.
He really is dumb.
I like how you hate everyone that gives you counter arguments. It is apparent you can't actually argue against most people here. So you rage. Lol.
Mike. I Am not ITL. Just someone who dislikes dishonest argumentation for those who claim to want honest argumentation. At least be honest about your motivations.
Is this your form of argumentation any time counters your arguments with logic? To accuse them of being other people? Don't you complain about people thinking (knowing) you were White Knight?
If my arguments are bad why were you unable to refute them? Many people here refute your bad logic, are they all the same person? Is this why you run from people who refute you by muting them? Most people firm in their arguments don't run and hide.
Except the asshats on mute use ad hominems, not logic. Muting them is not running and hiding, it's avoiding wrestling with pigs.
…squeaked sarcasmic as he wriggled his curly pink troll tail.
The guy literally starts this thread with a troll and then gets all holier-than-thou when people start punching back.
Lol. Projection is strong in this one.
Can you provide some examples? Mike here is literally using an ad hominem attack by dismissing my argument by claiming I am someone else. You do this as well. It is especially egregious when you try to make up arguments for people you have muted. Dismissing their arguments as both a strawman and due to who the person is.
You are doing what you accuse others of often.
Mike is the last friend he has left after the great sock outing.
I don’t have to unmute certain people to know that their comment consists of accusing me of something I never said nor did, or taking something completely out of context, expecting me to defend it, and then calling me a liar when I refuse.
Their comments are as predictable as an episode of T. J. Hooker.
I suspect you are a sock run by one of them, because if you were an honest observer with half a brain you would have already seen what I said to be correct.
Lol. Good job proving his point sarc.
I didn’t cancel any of your arguments based on my admittedly naughty, flimsily-supported accusation that you are a sock puppet.
I’ve actually responded to all your comments.
Project much there, Sarc?
Yes, I was being a bit naughty. You got me!
A bit? More like asshole as usual.
I don't think his actions are indefensible because Trump will have a criminal defense team to offer a defense.
And given that the Fulton County indictment included things like Trump sending out a tweet, I think they actually established a lot of Trump's supposedly conspiratorial acts that are entirely defensible. It almost encourages people to wonder if Trump actually committed criminal acts if so much of the conspiracy involves things that clearly fall under first amendment protections.
I don’t think his actions are indefensible because Trump will have a criminal defense team to offer a defense.
The "Whatever Trump did Democrats did first and worse!" defense may work wonders with his followers, but I suspect it will not do as well in court.
Where did A Thinking Mind state that, Sarc? He never mentioned Democrats at all.
Ffs you are so broken.
You do get, don't you, that legally indefensible and ethically indefensible are different bars for judging someone's behavior? Can we agree on that much?
Such a tiresome bore.
Is that a photo of what Eighties generic abortion pills looked like? Does size, shape, and color of the contents vary?
If Repo Man was done today, that's what the abortion pill box would look like.
I always find it funny when pro-abortion zealots like ENB argue that someone should be accountable for a stillbirth while gleefully cheering on an industry that produces over a million of them a year.
pro-abortion zealot? Buzzword bingo
Go back to your hole you rabid right wing donkey.
What else would you call fanatics who insist a third trimester baby is a "clump of cells"?
"Buzzword bingo" says the hack who just regurgitated "the government getting between you and your doctor" - one of the more cowardly ways abortion fanatics discuss abortion without saying the word "abortion."
Does anyone actually care what you think, Shrike sock?
I thought donkeys are left wing, or is that just jackasses?
Donkeys are Kirkland's top of choice.
https://twitter.com/TowerGangToad/status/1692140583446352068?t=RrarM3_qm7r1N2ccZwwzWQ&s=19
LPNH is behaving in a way unbecoming of a political party and it's going to turn people off or something
Meanwhile, in Argentina, this is what is winning
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Milei is a boss--the guy gets it.
Her position is that aborting a 7 month fetus is reproductive care. By not letting this woman go to the hospital to give birth, she was denied reproductive care. If they wouldn't give her time off to have an abortion she would also have been denied reproductive care. By ENB's logic a clump of cells is transformed into a human being dependent on the type of reproductive care she wants.
It's schrodinger's baby, both a human life and an undifferentiated clump of cells depending on the momentary desires of the feminist in question, who may or may not be the pregnant woman in question.
"It’s schrodinger’s baby". Okay I'm stealing that.
A Texas prison officer is suing the Texas Department of Criminal Justice and officials at the prison where she worked after being delayed for hours when, at seven months pregnant, she said she needed to go to the hospital during one of her shifts.
Strange. Prison officials are known for their humanity.
Fani Willis also doesn't know how to change the smoke detector battery
Lol
Discovery if emails forwarded to Hunter regarding Joe meeting with Ukrainian president prompt calls to NARA for unrelated emails and related emails to or from pseudonym used by Joe
https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/biden-probe-shifts-national-archives-discovery-private-emails-joe
Using a pseudonym does not, in any way, seem suspicious.
Not.
At.
All.
Also, I loathe Biden AND Trump.
---SPB 2
Just ask Diane Reynolds (Paul can help with this one).
Could this be a basis for a RICO prosecution?
Only in Georgia.
Leading professor and Hospital Board member introduces us all to Gender Minotaur who love mermaids.
This is all one sick joke.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/feminist-medical-school-professor-says-trans-kids-identifying-minotaurs-part-gender-revolution
They're just fucking with us at this point, seeing how far they can go before they break character.
Why aren't they getting even 1% of the mockery they deserve?
They are:
https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1691896574660776137
BWAHAHAHAHA! He identifies as a camera.
"I totally agree we are in the midst of a gender revolution and the children are leading it. And it's a wonderful thing to see. "
What a shocker. Listening to children, who have a habit of making up shit and magical thinking, has lead to even more bizarre and delusional insanity.
There was a time, not even too long ago, when we told children what is true and what is good for them because they dont know anything and have fanciful, often incorrect, detached from reality, thinking and reasoning. I guess the switch happened when college professors and too many adults also suffer from this sort of mental deficiency.
Note to self: UCSF Med. sheepskin = (barely) legally certified drug dealer
Yeah, they can't all be from Johns Hopkins, or Harvard Med., or Alabama, or the University of, uh, Cincinnati, or the, uh, Albert Einstein School of (rising intonation) Medicine(?)...
The FTC has lost sight of consumers in Chair Lina Khan's pursuit of a political agenda.
BREAKING NEWS: POLITICAL HACK SURPRISINGLY HIJACKS FEDERAL AGENCY
Every time we have a story about a Biden appointee, I think, 'Oh man, that person is literally the worst person for that job', until the next story about a different Biden appointee.
Search "Trump", replace with "Biden"
Yeah, Trump made some stupid-assed appointments too. Far too many, in my opinion.
Not quite as bad as Biden's team. At least he had a few decent ones in the mix. But in a race to the bottom, who wants to be first?
Federal Judge affirms disparate treatment of pro life activists versus BLM protestors. But Mike and Sarc will continue to tell us to trust institutions and there is no bias.
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/dc-dealt-more-harshly-pro-life-protesters-black-lives-matter-federal-court
Well the goal of progressives is to kill the blacks off. The more blm get their way the more blacks get murdered. The more pro life people get their way the more blacks are born. This isn't new it's been their plan for hundreds of years
It was Margaret Sanger's mission to do so.
Willis just happened to launch a campaign fundraising site just before her announcement of charges.
https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2023/08/10/fulton-da-launches-new-fundraising-website-trump-decision-nears/
"Move along. Nothing to see here folks. Nothing to see here"
Whats even worse is the assigned judge has social media post history of anti trump cartoons and statements.
ABORTION PILLS!
Meanwhile:
Amazon bans Scott Adams "for life"
and also,
Apple removes Glenn Beck
More muh private company,
Edinburgh Venue Cancels Entire Comedy Show Over Appearance by 'Father Ted' Co-creator Graham Linehan
"The administration and government agencies ordering deplatforming is just their free speech. Companies don't have to comply"
YouTube has suppressed monetization for Ben Shapiro
You tubes demonetization is crap, Google still gets money from ads, they take 100 percent of it. It's still monitized, only the creator doesn't get anything. I a just world, Google would be held up for raceteering
No one has to listen to such bullshit. Not sorry if that offends you.
Go start another Gab or Voat or some other right wing hellhole to spread your crap. Should go fine.
Being outed really broke you more than usual Jeff.
Going off the deep end there, Jeffy?
"It's okay when we do it"
You're going to have some real tears when this precedent starts being applied to team Jeffplug.
The topic isn't even about "making" people listen to anything. Good confirmation that you're a fucking retard, though.
I can hear Stephen Crowder laughing right now.
It's actually kinda sad because Shapiro has gotten very swampy establishment in the past few years.
Apple removes Glenn Beck
What took them so long?
Fox News booted the Beckerhead about 10 years ago.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
HEY JEFFPLUG!
What was he booted for? Do you want to share what you think deserved censorship?
California man arrested for pretending to be Joe Biden.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-man-caught-sniffing-women-barnes-noble-free-despite-rap-sheet-child-peeping-40-arrests
He should've stolen something and then he'd be a free man today.
Did he shower with a 12 year old?
Only counts if it's his 12 year old daughter.
States where medical marijuana is legal have lower health insurance premiums...
Yes, but how much money do prohibitionists make there?
Good to see you unquestioningly supporting the narrative and not asking if it's a junk correlation.
https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
We aim to please.
You would think all the "libertarians" here would be aghast at the idea of the government getting between you and your doctor but...
These new-fangled Trump-style libertarians are all for Big Government intrusion in the lives of citizens.
It's a MAGA thing.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Don't samefag your comments, Pluggo.
Hey Jeff. Talk to us about covid again.
I think they would applaud the government getting between you and your would be murderer, even if that murderer is your mother.
I believe you said the other day you are non-religious but against abortion. Are you still claiming you are not against abortion for religious reasons, yet you care about killing a “child” when it is still a clump of cells?
Is it your assertion that only religious people are against murder? Quite a retarded assumption.
Your assertion that it is just a clump of cells is a pro abortion stance. Adults abd any living entity are also just clumps of cells.
Way to give up the game Mikey.
You are dense and obtuse, Laursen. It is indeed possible to not like abortion for non-religious, and in fact, entirely scientific reasons. That "clump of cells" is a developing life. There are different stages at which that developing life can feel pain, and even start to think. Maybe it would be different were we not placental mammals whereby the female carries the young to term instead of doing something else like laying eggs or giving birth to joeys that reside in a pouch on the female.
While it is true that a clump of cells maybe a developing life that is also true at conception and we allow zygotes to be terminated. The fact is that we allow the destruction on a small group of cells with hormonal birth control pills and especially using the Plan B pills. The question is not do we terminate a clump of cells but when we allow it.
Mike,
All living organisms are clumps of cells. That is shown in basic biology classes. Your talking point is meaningless and shows you utilize common narratives as the basis of your arguments instead of logic or reason.
A child in the mothers womb has its own unique DNA structure does it not? If not the basis to determine what an individual is, what other metric is better?
Is it a belief they can not live on their own merits? Neither can a child. They would die without a person caring for them. 6 month olds can not survive on their own merits. So your argument is illogical.
You're literally using a talking point to dismiss an argument.
“All living organisms are clumps of cells.”
Obviously, quite obviously, I meant a tiny, undifferentiated clump of cells.
Is it your belief only religous people have morals? As an atheist, are you ok with murder because there is no god to tell you it is wrong?
What is your non-religious argument that terminating a clump of cells is unethical?
Why don't you just answer the question, dipstick?
"when it is still a clump of cells?"
I know the life sciences aren't exactly your forte, Mike (along with chemistry and physics), but you're actually a clump of cells too.
What an ignorant statement.
Of all the readings I've done of all the great minds of classical liberalism, the notion of "self-" comes up frequently: self-correcting, self-reliant, self-control, self-restraint, self-interest... "self-" probably hundreds of times. Maybe thousands. I'm fairly certain I've never read the "doctor-controlled", "doctor-reliant", "doctor-interest" or any other "doctor-" compound word even once.
New Fox News poll - Sleepy Joe leads all GOP rivals by 3-6%
https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-ramaswamy-rising-desantis-loses-ground-gop-primary
Wow, just think if Joe were not a senile old coot? What would be his lead then?
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Remember, dislikes BOTH Biden and Trump.
" just think if Joe were not a senile old coot"
That is what liking means to you?
turd, the TDS-addled asshole, lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Yes, because you lie freely.
The FTC has lost sight of consumers in Chair Lina Khan's pursuit of a political agenda.
The FTC does not have consumers.
Health insurance rates lower where marijuana is legal. This is something to follow up on. I looked at the journal article, but most of the article was the statistics and did not look at the cause for the reduction. I think we can assume that rates are down because costs are down and that is a good thing. I hope this article is brought to the attention of Wisconsin legislators.
Just stick to one sock jeffy, nobody is buying it.
Funny, M4e has been around for years, and you just showed up a couple of months ago.
Funny, you've been known as The White Knight and Episiarch in the past and seem to have little qualms about sockpuppeting. Or lying and obfuscating your ass off for that matter.
Mike doesn't come across to me like Episiarch. Not sure what happened to that guy.
I ate him with a nice Chianti and some fava beans.
jk, people talk about this Episiarch guy and I don’t remember him.
I've been here years. Add that to the seemingly endless list of things you are wrong about.
Yep, you’ve called me out today on two unimportant things I’ve said in jest. You really are winning out conversations!
Laursen, if you knew how to be funny, you might actually still have to keep your day job.
"But the prison agency and the Texas attorney general's office, which has staked its reputation on 'defending the unborn'…[said] it's not clear that [the] fetus had rights as a person," reports The Texas Tribune.
Wow you really got them this time!
BIDEN-OMICS MISERY UPDATE!
Manufacturing megaprojects gobble up workers
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Multibillion-dollar factory projects are pushing construction workforces to their breaking point.
Published Aug. 14, 2023
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That’s because many of the skills needed to build an EV battery plant, for example, overlap with some of the same trades in demand to build other projects in the manufacturing space, like semiconductor facilities, said Brian Turmail, vice president of public affairs and strategic initiatives at Associated General Contractors of America. In other words, megaprojects in these areas are competing for the same labor, which is already scarce.
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“Many of our members with auto manufacturing and semiconductor construction are struggling to find enough workers to meet very aggressive timelines,” said Turmail. “There’s enormous pressure to get these plants built.”
https://www.constructiondive.com/news/manufacturing-megaprojects-workers-magnify-labor-woes/690692/
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Besides which, the slimy sumbitch is a cherry-picking asshole.
It seems the official hype man for the Biden economy finally realized gloating about RIG COUNT and gaslighting about inflation weren't working.
Not sure if your current DNC talking points will help Dementia Joe's economic approval crack the 40% barrier though. Yahoo says he's currently at 36%.
Mortgage rates could hit 8%.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mortgage-rates-could-hit-8-economists-say-citing-a-worrying-sign-not-seen-since-the-great-recession-edf2b4a4
The 1980s called.
One of my favorite places to go shooting is an empty business park built by the Obama administration that has never been used.
I suspect these projects won't be much different.
We don't need no water; let the mother fucker burn.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/woke-hawaiian-official-stalled-release-revered-water-until-it-was-too-late-save-maui
How detrimental is it to allow far-left ideologues into bureaucratic public works positions? The state of Hawaii just found out this week with a blaze that engulfed the Island of Maui and killed at least 110 people. A series of management blunders are being blamed for the deadly wildfire, but one incident in particular has frightening implications.
According to accounts of four people with knowledge of the situation, M. Kaleo Manuel, a Native Hawaiian cultural practitioner and DLNR’s deputy director for water resource management, initially refused West Maui Land Co.’s requests for additional water to help prevent fires from spreading to properties managed by the company. Manuel eventually released water but not until after the fire had run its course.
How much damage could have been prevented with the extra water is not yet known. However, the question of "Why?" needs to be addressed in the wake of one of the worst natural disasters in Hawaii's history. Though bureaucratic red tape might be the most obvious suggestion, a recent interview with M. Kaleo Manual offers some interesting and disturbing insight. Manuel waxes philosophical on "water equity" ("equity" being a pervasive woke buzzword) and an ancient "reverence" of water as god-like. He uses these beliefs to support his rationale for keeping tight controls over Hawaiian water supplies; not as a resource to be used, but as a holistic privilege offered by the government.
"...M. Kaleo Manuel, a Native Hawaiian cultural practitioner..."
Really? REALLY?!
Why would Hunter need to be on a call between his then VP father and the then president of Ukraine?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hunter-biden-ccd-call-between-then-vp-joe-and-former-ukraine-president
Previously released emails retrieved from Hunter's abandoned laptop reveal that Biden used a "Robert.L.Peters@pci.gov" email address while he was serving as Vice President of the United States. What's more, that Biden aide John Flynn cc'd Hunter on 10 emails which contained Joe's daily schedule between May 19 and June 15, 2016.
One of the emails details plans for a phone call with Ukraine's former president, Petro Poroshenko. Flynn copied Hunter at his email address at Rosemont Seneca Partners - while Hunter was serving on the board of Ukrainian energy giant, Burisma, which was deemed to be corrupt by the Obama-Biden State Department.
"Attached to this email, and made available on the NARA website, is a document that indicates at 9:00 a.m. on May 27, 2016, Vice President Biden took a call with the president of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko," he added. "It is concerning to the Committee, however, that this document was sent to “Robert L. Peters”—a pseudonym the Committee has identified as then Vice- President Biden. Additionally, the Committee questions why the then-Vice President’s son, Hunter Biden—and only Hunter Biden—was copied on this email to then-Vice President Biden."
I've been told that Reason is waiting for it to hit the news. They just want to get a good feel for it. Could be Russian disinformation!
Definitely Russian misinformation, it reflects poorly on an establishment Democrat. Charles Koch wouldn't tolerate his little group blog spreading those sorts of tales.
I wonder if this could be a basis for a RICO prosecution.
If the Supreme Court had any integrity at all left; they'd rule that the US Constitution doesn't provide any authority for a national Food and Drug administration. The Commerce clause is for limiting State to State disputes it was never written nor inferred to cast a government controlled economy be it food or drugs or any other of the millions of [Na]tional so[zi]ialized markets granted by a manipulative and deceptive history of Supreme Court ruling about government controlled economy.
Another Soros-backed AG in trouble:
"Effort to recall Alameda County DA Pamela Price takes major step forward"
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"OAKLAND -- The effort to oust Alameda County District Attorney Pamela Price moved forward Tuesday afternoon as an organization filed the intent to recall paperwork and the needed signatures to officially begin the process.
The group calling for Price's recall is known as Save Alameda For Everyone or SAFE. It includes critics, activists and members of families who have been affected by her policies.
Seven months into her tenure, Price has already become a lightning rod in the heated conversation about criminal justice reform and public safety. She ran on a platform emphasizing restorative justice policies including reducing sentences for younger offenders, eliminating most sentencing enhancements and holding law enforcement accountable..."
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/effort-to-recall-alameda-county-da-pamela-price-takes-major-step-forward/
Just a guess, but I'm betting legalizing shoplifting is in the mix...
In our city it took a teenage volleyball player in town for a tournament losing both legs in after being hit by a car.
The violent perp was out on 'house arrest' for carjacking and other violent crimes, and not being monitored at all, it turns out, when he stole a(nother) car and recklessly sped around downtown like the idiot he was.
https://apnews.com/article/sports-automotive-accidents-st-louis-missouri-54d28a588f8b6e5792947075e7521b75
That's OK, Cook County, Illinois, may be losing Kim Foxx to "retirement", but one of the favored candidates to replace her looks worse.
The Chicago dumbfucks replaced Beetlejuice with a Sleestak.
Clayton Harris III
https://wgntv.com/news/politics/clayton-harris-iii-joins-race-to-replace-kim-foxx-as-chicagolands-top-prosecutor/
Harris already has the backing of Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle, almost guaranteeing him an influx of campaign cash and volunteers. He told WGN News that he has no problem being labeled the ‘establishment candidate.’ In fact, Harris believes a Preckwinkle endorsement ‘absolutely helps’ his campaign.
A resident of Washington Park on the South Side, Harris is a lecturer at the University of Chicago.
“Currently, I’m teaching Policing Race in America: Black, White and Blue. I think it gives me an added dimension,” he said.
https://news.yahoo.com/replace-kim-foxx-only-one-231500948.html
”I believe that prosecuting criminals is the focus of the office. Crime has levels, and while I do not believe that things such as retail theft are victimless crimes, I also do not believe that prison is necessarily the correct response to certain low-level crimes. I saw too much of this while I was an ASA in narcotics, and we cannot continue to throw away Black and brown bodies for addictions, conditions and a lack of expectations,” he said.
Essentially, with the backing of Boss Toni, he's a shoe-in for the Democratic nomination and therefore, the position.
Why'd they vote for her to begin with. They saw a sample of what was in store right across the bay with Cheezy Boudin. Honestly do the majority of voters choose because of the number of ads they see?
1. Only the die-hard party apparatchiks vote in the primaries.
2. You get a very progressive leftist.
3. Half of the lazy, low info voters skip the general election, but the ones who do vote, pull the level for whatever says (D). Assuming there's even a choice. (See: Jungle Primaries)
4. See #2.
5. It takes something going very seriously wrong for anyone to start to wonder how we got here.
Every time someone gripes about downtown SF, the CA economy, the bum "crisis", I try to ask who got their votes.
What happens when the music stops?
https://johnkassnews.com/rich-men-north-of-richmond-angry-anthem-of-the-forgotten-in-2024-elections-come-hell-or-high-water/
The mincing media ferrets in their employ are eager to use their teeth on Oliver Anthony, the farmer songwriter from Virginia, for exposing the often-hidden side of their face. They’ll try gutting the innocent man for the sin of singing the truth in “Rich Men North of Richmond.”
Conservative Republicans like it. Leftist Democrats hate it and prepare the rat (or ferret) cage for Anthony. Corporate legacy media which leans far left is already hating on the song, and they’re ignoring it the way they tried to ignore Hunter Biden’s laptop from hell and all the brilliant reporting done by The New York Post and Miranda Devine, that was suppressed by media and Big Tech.
It might be worth mentioning here that the Republican half of the Washington establishment (or Washington Combine) was threatened years ago by conservatives in the Tea Party and the Rich Men North of Richmond were compelled to send a handler to simmer the Tea Party down. They sent an emissary, U.S. Rep. Dick Armey to talk sense to the country folk and suburbanites, treating the populist fiscal conservatives as so many fools.
And right now—after all the Democrats have done using the Department of Justice to attack and crush Republicans, criminalizing free speech and reducing the rule of law to the status of a banana republic. The constant pressure does not leave diamonds. It leaves raw wounds. The Democrats and their corporate media allies seem not to care about the consequences of their actions.
This America is a dry tinderbox just waiting for a spark. Complicating matters is the biased media desperately leaning left, hushing those Americans who want to ask questions about their nation, a media that participates in ridiculing dissent even as media brags that it speaks truth to power.
One I wish they’d ask is “Democrats? What happens after the music stops?”
There has been too much idle idiotic talk of armed political violence. People who talk like this are worse than fools. They’re demonic. My father lived through such a time after World War II [ed-Greek Civil War], when one side poked the dogs with spears until the dogs decided not to lie down and take it.
Apparently some left-wing journos believe that an off-grid homesteader folk singer complaining about beltway types robbing us blind is somehow 'punching down'.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/aug/16/rich-men-north-of-richmond-oliver-anthony
"punching down" is never appropriate or funny, I'll just leave this here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P0q4o58pKwA
It's "demonic" of the dogs in that analogy to warn the folks with spears to back the fuck off?
Rich men north of Richmond is a beautiful line.
Neo-Animal Sacrifice.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/08/17/the-return-of-animal-sacrifice/
Irish farmers are under pressure to ‘cull up to 200,000 cows’ in order that Ireland might meet its ‘climate goals’, reported the Financial Times at the weekend. The Irish government is considering proposals to bump off that amount of cattle over the next three years to help it achieve a 25 per cent reduction in its agricultural emissions. Cows produce methane, you see, and methane is bad. It’s a greenhouse gas. Farming accounts for 40 per cent of Ireland’s greenhouse-gas emissions, so it has become a natural target for the Net Zero zealots. Every EU member state is under pressure to make strides towards Net Zero, and if that entails the sacrifice of livestock, so be it. Save the planet, slaughter the cows.
And they seem to care little for the consequences of their heathen carbon-offsetting. Irish farmers are seriously worried for their livelihoods. The dairy industry is worth €13 billion a year to the Irish economy. It provides 54,000 jobs. It brought in a staggering €6.8 billion in exports in 2022 alone. What will become of all this fruitful work if cow slaughter in the name of Net Zero takes off?
Surely nothing better sums up the irrationalism of the 21st century’s eco-elites than their cavalier attitude to the rights and happiness of the people who make our food. Ritual sacrifice to mollify the heavens is once again all the rage among the rulers of Earth. Sacrifice not only of animals this time, but also of livelihoods and even liberty. Dairy farming, food production, pesticide-use, cheap flights, our right to drive – all are being offered up at the apologetic altar of Net Zero.
Hmmm, 100 seats in the House of Commons , 28 in the House of Lords vs 200000 cows. This seems to be an easy choice.
And it's all just to meet target numbers. With no regards to the consequences to people's lives, or to whether there is actually any evidence that it will make any difference at all to climate.
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1692169693728035040?t=tFXIv4iYFib8ALGaHkNRQQ&s=19
Attempting to observe a vote-auditing session that the public was declared to be prohibited from attending is cited as one of the underlying predicate acts that establishes Mark Meadows and the rest of the Trump campaign operation were perpetrating a RICO criminal conspiracy
It was allegedly “in furtherance of a conspiracy” to show up at a location in Cobb County, Georgia where votes were being audited, be “prevented from entering” the investigation room by state officials, and then leaving. They’re not even accusing Meadows of trespassing!
Here were the acts from Meadows that supposedly demonstrate he was engaged in perpetrating a RICO criminal conspiracy. The Georgia deputy secretary of state reported at the time, “he just asked basic process questions,” then left after 20 minutes
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Meadows is petitioning to have his case moved to a federal court and it looks like he'll probably succeed.
https://twitter.com/pepesgrandma/status/1692186293898498505?t=PaovGxjhReE64a2FETh4gA&s=19
We have a second FBI shooting in a matter of days. Has our FBI become a street justice hit mob?
“The FBI is reviewing an agent-involved shooting which occurred today at approximately 6:40 a.m. while FBI SWAT was conducting an arrest operation in Henderson, TN. The subject is deceased.”
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Must have been a white guy or ENB would have led with it like the marker man.
Yep, ‘cause she’s a liberal!
Just the next step down the road.
>>abortion-inducing drug mifepristone
pre-natal care.
"I was gonna go to the doctor...but then I got high."
that song gets really dark
Yeah, it does.
>>where medical marijuana is legal ... lower health insurance premiums
seems stretch armstrong?
“Robert L. Peters”—a pseudonym the Committee has identified as then Vice- President Biden.
Pierre Delecto doesn't believe it.
Carlos Danger does.
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Robert L. Peters....
Robert L. Dicks.....
Bob L. Dicks....
Bobble dicks
lol figures.
“Robert L. Peters”
PEDO PETE!
Kinda ironic Comer is requesting the records from the National Archives.
How so, White Knight, or do you not understand what "ironic" means outside of the Alanis Morrisette song?
Sullum may need a few days off.
https://twitter.com/xx1tjx/status/1692158059219439816
I've heard nothing on this site is a cite about Sullum's opinions on T
Sullum doesn't have opinions, he just posts straight facts. Just ask Sarckles and White Mike.
That’s true.
You couldn’t come up with even one example when challenged.
your lack of imagination is not my downfall.
Weak.
Pitiful, Laursen.
Oh my! He wrote RIGGERS! That's a secret dog whistle.
Hopefully it's better than "releasing the kraken" or whatever that was.
He should be hammering on the constitutional case against teh indictments, though. I've been reading through the GA one. It's amazingly ridiculous.
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