When Trade War Threatens Real War
Biden is blurring the lines between economic policy and military action.
Since the 2020 campaign, President Joe Biden has emphasized that America seeks "competition rather than conflict" with China. In the 2023 State of the Union address, amid tensions with the Chinese government over a spy balloon that floated through American airspace, he returned to the notion, saying his administration was willing to "work with China where it can advance American interests" while also bragging the U.S. was in "the strongest position in decades to compete" with the country.
That message of productive, if a bit unfriendly, economic competition is increasingly at odds with the aggressive trade policies Biden is pursuing behind the scenes. Indeed, it's at odds with what prominent members of the administration, including the secretary of the treasury and the White House's top national security adviser, are now openly admitting in public speeches: The United States is escalating its trade war with China, and it is doing so by targeting the free movement of goods and money across the globe in new ways.
"Technology export controls can be more than just a preventative tool," national security adviser Jake Sullivan told a small crowd gathered at the Capital Hilton, just blocks from the White House, in a speech delivered last September. "If implemented in a way that is robust, durable, and comprehensive, they can be a new strategic asset in the U.S. and allied toolkit to impose costs on adversaries, and even over time degrade their battlefield capabilities."
Sullivan said the theory had already been put to the test once. After Russia rolled tanks and troops into Ukraine in early 2022, the United States responded with financial sanctions aimed at Russian President Vladimir Putin and his cronies. It also imposed severe export controls meant to hobble Russia's industrial and military might. In Sullivan's telling, this represented "the most stringent technology restrictions ever imposed on a major economy."
"Those measures have inflicted tremendous costs," Sullivan continued, "forcing Russia to use chips from dishwashers in its military equipment."
The "adversaries" that could be targeted with that "new strategic asset" would not be limited to those that had invaded their neighbors. For Sullivan, the apparent success of the export restrictions targeting Russia meant we might reshape how America conducts foreign policy, particularly with regard to China. America should abandon the idea that it must only maintain a relative lead over China in the development of key technologies, he said. Instead, the tools and tactics of an international trade war could be used as an economic complement to America's military arsenal—one that could effectively serve as an opening salvo in a real war.
Sullivan was speaking at a gathering of the Special Competitive Studies Project, a joint venture of tech and national security experts funded by a private foundation created by former Google CEO Eric Schmidt. Four days before the summit, the group published a lengthy report, co-authored by Schmidt and Robert Work, a deputy defense secretary under both President Barack Obama and President Donald Trump. The report crystallized many bipartisan worries about how China's technological advances might factor into a future war, and its conclusions mirrored Sullivan's: "Warfare will be waged with and against industrial and financial power and pit innovation ecosystems against each other."
What both Sullivan and the report describe could be called a total trade war: a conflict where the exchange of goods and money across borders is viewed through a military lens.
Much of the discussion is focused on the perceived necessity of controlling the world's supply of semiconductors, the tiny silicon chips that power the fastest and smartest computers. But the conflict has already spilled over into other realms.
In that September speech, Sullivan suggested the next step would be to restrict outward-bound capital investments too. American investments, he said, must not be permitted to "enhance the technological capabilities of our competitors."
Consider this a corollary to the Biden administration's more well-publicized Buy American mandates: a "Sell to Americans" rule—or, at least, a "don't sell to anyone the American government dislikes" rule. While the former mostly involves dumping billions of taxpayer dollars into questionable subsidies for semiconductors and other high-end tech manufacturing, the latter is aimed at policing how American investors and businesses spend their money. With the help of allied governments in Europe and Canada, the goal is to cut off huge swaths of global capital markets in order to curb investments in China.
The approach moves U.S. trade policy from a defensive posture to an offensive one, putting the nation's economy on what amounts to a war footing.
Over the past five years, America's trade war with China had targeted imports and sought to prop up domestic manufacturing in expensive and mostly ineffective ways. The new approach targets exports and investments in any technology the U.S. government deems vital to national security—a category that may be nearly limitless, given the government's propensity for stretching the limits of that term.
Much of this approach is being run through a shadowy governmental entity that draws together high-ranking officials from the federal military, intelligence, and political apparatus. It creates an environment where even domestic citizens and businesses are suspect—and where outbound capital investments in foreign countries must be scrutinized for giving potential succor to the enemy.
Militarized trade policy is a foolish and dangerous exercise that will further erode what remains of postwar norms about openness and free trade, boosting instead the zero-sum view that is causing more countries around the world to raise barriers to trade. If it takes hold, it will leave humanity less free and less prosperous. It might also lead to far greater calamity: If American officials are talking so openly about using economic policy as a form of military action—and thus, potentially, as acts of war—how long before other countries start taking them seriously?
Trade Secrets
At the center of the Biden administration's escalating war on trade and investment is a powerful government body that most Americans probably aren't aware of: the innocuously named Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS).
Created as a purely advisory agency by President Gerald Ford in 1975, CFIUS now includes high-ranking officials from the Departments of Commerce, Defense, Homeland Security, and State as well as the White House and the intelligence community. In 1988, amid a now-laughable panic about Japanese investors pouring money into American agriculture and industry, including the then-nascent semiconductor industry, Congress gave the committee the authority to block "mergers, acquisitions, or takeovers" of American companies by foreign investors, as long as the president signed off on the decision."
Part of Congress's motivation," the Congressional Research Service explained in a February 2020 report, "arose from concerns that foreign takeovers of U.S. firms could not be stopped unless the President declared a national emergency or regulators invoked federal antitrust, environmental, or securities laws."
CFIUS thus became a vehicle for sweeping, arbitrary presidential intervention into international business deals, executed under the guise of vaguely defined national security concerns.
George H.W. Bush was the first president to take advantage of these powers. In 1990, he ordered the China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation to divest its acquisition of MAMCO Manufacturing, a maker of precision plastics used in aeronautical equipment. That authority would not be invoked again until 2012, when Obama blocked a Delaware-based company with Chinese subsidiaries from acquiring four American wind farms, one of which was located near a Navy base in Oregon. Four years later, he blocked a Chinese investment fund from buying AIXTRON, a Germany-based semiconductor firm that owned some American assets.
Trump also invoked those powers twice. In 2017, he blocked a Chinese investment firm from buying the Lattice Semiconductor Corporation, an Oregon-based chip design company. A year later, he made a much bigger splash by blocking Broadcom's $117 billion purchase of Qualcomm, one of the leading American chip-making companies. Though China was not involved in that purchase, the specter of American fears about China's technological advancements—specifically at the telecom company Huawei—was central to the decision. Without a domestic champion for the production of 5G telecom devices, Trump wrote in his executive order blocking the purchase, "China would likely compete robustly to fill any void left by Qualcomm as a result of this hostile takeover." In a March 2018 letter announcing CFIUS' decision, a Treasury Department official underlined the reasoning: the potential merger "could pose a risk to the national security of the United States."
Since its creation, CFIUS has operated inside a black box. It does not acknowledge that any specific investments are under review, and it is not required to publicly announce its decisions. In an annual report to Congress, CFIUS provides only limited details, like the number of investigations undertaken and, in broad strokes, the industries involved.
Those reports show that the committee was active in the late 1980s and early 1990s. But as the Japanese panic subsided, so did the committee's workload. From 1993 to 2005, it reported fewer than 82 investigations each year—down from a peak of 295 in 1990, when four of those investigations eventually reached the president's desk (although Bush took action only in the MAMCO case).
Lately, the previously sleepy CFIUS has been more active. It has investigated more than 600 transactions since 2017, about five times as many as it had in the five years before Trump took office.
It was also granted more power. The Foreign Investment Risk Review Modernization Act of 2018 broadened the committee's ability to intervene in transactions involving "critical" technology. Naturally, the committee gets to decide what counts as critical.
The Biden administration is now taking CFIUS to another level. In September, just days before Sullivan's speech, Biden issued an executive order instructing CFIUS to focus more attention on supply chains. Under the new guidance, the committee is charged with reviewing transactions for national security risks in several categories, including biotechnology, quantum computing, and climate adaptation. That means the committee's authority is expanding not only in breadth but in depth. Relative to the pre-2018 status quo, it can investigate more transactions and now has the authority to follow those transactions up and down the supply chain.
That executive order "puts us back ahead of the game," Sullivan said days after it was signed. That, he promised, was just the start. "Looking forward, we are making progress in formulating an approach to address outbound investments in sensitive technologies, particularly investments that…could enhance the technological capabilities of our competitors."
In December, Congress and the Biden administration took the first real step toward that goal. Tucked into the $1.7 trillion omnibus spending bill that sped through Congress before Christmas was a provision ordering the Treasury Department to produce a report detailing how a potential outbound investment screening mechanism would work and how much it would cost.
In other words, the federal government would for the first time scrutinize not just foreign investments in the U.S., but how American-based capital is invested abroad.
Trade and Tradeoffs
Outbound investment screening could be added to CFIUS mandate, or it could be handled by a new agency. Either way, officials are moving the plan forward."
We are considering a program to restrict certain U.S. outbound investments in specific sensitive technologies with significant national security implications," Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, who also chairs CFIUS, said in an April 20 speech at Johns Hopkins University. Yellen framed the possible program in much the same way Sullivan had seven months earlier, as part of a broad effort to steer both exported goods and American investments away from China.
While the specifics remain vague, an outbound investment screening system of any kind "would substantially widen the scope of U.S. national security controls over investments that have traditionally been regarded as purely economic objectives," a trio of researchers at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a national security–focused think tank, warned in January.
In her speech, Yellen put a finer point on it: When economic and national security interests are in tension, she argued, national security must prevail. "Even though these policies may have economic impacts," she said, referring not only to the outbound investment screening proposal but also to export controls, "they are driven by straightforward national security considerations. We will not compromise on these concerns, even when they force tradeoffs with our economic interests."
This is a bipartisan impulse. Trump's aluminum and steel tariffs were enacted with a flimsy justification about how imported metals jeopardized national security. Biden has flipped that around. To qualify for subsidies included in the CHIPS and Science Act, for example, companies must pledge not to use the funds to expand operations in four countries, including China and Russia. The threat of scrutinizing private investments overseas signals another escalation.
All these maneuvers represent an overarching pattern—one that Sullivan helpfully laid out in that September speech at the Capital Hilton.
"We have to revisit the longstanding premise of maintaining 'relative' advantages over competitors in certain key technologies," Sullivan said. When it comes to "foundational" tech such as semiconductors and artificial intelligence, he argued, America should take a more active role to impede the technological advances of potential adversaries. "We must maintain as large of a lead as possible," he concluded.
That framework raises the stakes considerably. In the decades since the Cold War, America has been a leading advocate for lowering barriers to trade, in part because mutually beneficial exchanges foster peace: Nations that trade with one another have an incentive not to go to war. At its core, then, the argument for free trade requires separating the prosperity-generating economic sector from the zero-sum thinking that governs much of the rest of geopolitics.
But the Biden administration is building on the Trump administration's attempts to blur that line. Some former Trump administration officials are giving cover to the effort. In an October interview with The New York Times, the Trump-era national security adviser Matt Pottinger not only echoed Sullivan's framing of the U.S.-China relationship as one where America must maintain "as large of a lead as possible" but argued that doing so will mean actively inhibiting China's technological advancement.
"The Biden administration understands now that it isn't enough for America to run faster—we need to actively hamper the [People's Republic of China]'s ambitions for tech dominance," Pottinger said. "This marks a serious evolution in the administration's thinking."
For such officials, it is no longer enough for trade to make America more prosperous. They think it's at least equally important to prevent certain other countries from prospering too. It's an inherently militaristic outlook, one that views the entire global economy as part of a battlefield.
Export Chokepoints
We tend to think about global trade in terms of physical stuff: container ships and the cargo they carry, from T-shirts to iPhones. Exports and imports are tangible things, easily conceptualized and counted.
As a result, we also tend to think about restrictions on trade as being policies that stop the exchange of those physical goods—or, as with tariffs, that make it more difficult or expensive to move items across borders.
But in reality, there are three broad layers to the network of global trade that has made the world so prosperous in recent decades. Finished products and their component parts are the top, the most "seen" part. Below that is trade in the raw materials and equipment necessary to produce those finished goods. At the base are the capital investments that support the expansion of industry in places where it previously did not exist.
For the first several years of America's trade war with China, almost all the action was focused on the top layer: Trump's tariffs, for example. Both Trump and Biden have also made aggressive use of the Commerce Department's so-called entity list, a collection of foreign businesses and nonprofits (including some universities) that are forbidden from buying certain items from American firms without special permission from the federal government.
The Trump administration added dozens of companies to the list; the Chinese telecom manufacturer Huawei was perhaps the most high-profile example. The list has continued to grow under Biden. Since December 2022, more than 40 Chinese companies have been added to the do-not-export list. One of the most significant additions was Yangtze Memory Technologies, a leading Chinese semiconductor manufacturer.
On March 23, another 14 Chinese firms were added to a separate Commerce Department list of "unverified" companies to which exports can be blocked unless the foreign companies agree to allow American inspections of their facilities. "Enforcing our export controls is a crucial part of protecting American national security," U.S. Deputy Secretary of Commerce Don Graves declared in a statement announcing that action. "We are committed to using all of the tools at our disposal to establish how advanced US technology is being used around the globe."
In keeping with that strategy, Washington has sought to expand the conflict into the two other layers of the global trading system. In 2018, for example, the Trump administration successfully lobbied the Dutch government to prevent ASML, a Netherlands-based firm that is the world's leading supplier of semiconductor manufacturing equipment, from selling its products to Chinese chip manufacturers. Shortly before leaving office, Trump placed China's top semiconductor manufacturing firm, the Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation, on the entity list, effectively banning any American company from selling to it as well.
Sullivan's September talk about the geopolitical power of export controls was a signal of the perceived success of those actions. In October, the Biden administration doubled down by issuing new rules aiming to block China's access to semiconductor manufacturing equipment, component parts of that equipment, and any design software that might be used to build that equipment or advanced, artificial intelligence–capable chips.
"With the new policy…the United States is firmly focused on retaining control over so-called 'chokepoint' (or as it is sometimes translated from Chinese 'stranglehold') technologies in the global semiconductor technology supply chain," writes Gregory C. Allen, a senior fellow at the CSIS. "In doing so, these actions demonstrate an unprecedented degree of U.S. government intervention to not only preserve chokepoint control but also begin a new U.S. policy of actively strangling large segments of the Chinese technology industry—strangling with an intent to kill."
The final step seems obvious. Having targeted the global trade in semiconductors and the exchange of semiconductor-making equipment and know-how, the administration is now cranking up an investment-screening system that targets the lowest level of the trading system.
America is both joining and reinforcing a global trend. According to the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development, 63 percent of global investments were subject to a screening process last year, up from 52 percent in 2020. More such mechanisms are in the works.
In the European Union, six member states set up new investment screening regimes last year and three other countries tightened existing rules, according to The Economist. Both the Netherlands and Canada have announced plans for investment-review schemes similar to CFIUS and could have them running by the end of this year.
But if America implements an outbound investment screening system, it will join a much smaller group. According to the CSIS, only South Korea and Taiwan currently have similar mechanisms. (Taiwan's program is narrowly focused only on investments in China, a more understandable arrangement given the historical tensions between the island and the mainland.)
A January analysis of Washington's proposed screening system found it could cover 43 percent of American investment in China. "In addition to slowing new investment, a new regime could also pressure US businesses to reassess existing operations in China because of potential effects on revenue, profits, and market share," reported the Rhodium Group, an economic think tank focused on U.S.-China policy. "The proposed mechanism could accelerate the already visible shift in US-China investment relations away from 'active' channels (long-term direct investment) toward more 'passive' channels (securities investment and the sourcing of non-sensitive inputs)."
These new barriers will likely change how investments flow around the globe. In prioritizing national security above all, America might be willfully cutting off the fuel that powers the engine of global trade.
In December, as the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, the world's leading chipmaker, announced the installation of its equipment in a new fabrication plant in Arizona, company founder Morris Chang offered a bleak assessment of the global semiconductor trade.
"Globalization is almost dead and free trade is almost dead," he said. "A lot of people still wish they would come back. But I don't think they will be back."
'A Commercial Police State'
Sullivan's September remarks showed that the administration wants to wipe away the key distinction between economic issues and national security ones—at least for certain technologies. A more recent speech, delivered at the Brookings Institution on April 27, offered an even more chilling view of the future."
This moment demands that we forge a new consensus," Sullivan said, sweeping aside what he said was an imperfect postwar norm of free trade and economic liberalization. That new consensus would reflect what Sullivan called Biden's "core commitment—indeed, his daily direction to us—to more deeply integrate domestic policy and foreign policy."
That vision goes well beyond export controls and outbound investment screening systems. It includes the giant semiconductor subsidies in the CHIPS Act, and the more aggressive use of export controls such as the Commerce Department's entity list. Above all, it means a greater conflation of private economic issues with the geopolitical scramble for power.
"A modern American industrial strategy," Sullivan explained, "identifies specific sectors that are foundational to economic growth, strategic from a national security perspective, and where private industry on its own isn't poised to make the investments needed to secure our national ambitions."
In short: If it produces profit, if it matters to the military, or if it has any vague connection to the still-more-vague notion of America's "national ambitions," the government gets to decide whether it can be bought, sold, or supported with private investments.
If there's a silver lining to all this, it's the same one that hides inside any proposal to expand government: It's tough to get the specifics right.
"In order for such restrictions to succeed, the United States would have to become a commercial police state on an unprecedented scale," wrote Adam Posen, president of the Peterson Institute for International Economics (PIIE), in a March article for Foreign Policy. "The United States would also have to monitor and prevent its own headquartered companies from moving activities abroad. Washington has done this, on a limited scale, on specific technology transfers. But scale matters, and current proposals would be an order of magnitude more ambitious and thus infeasible."
After Yellen's and Sullivan's April speeches failed to offer much in the way of specifics about how the outbound investment screening tool would operate, some observers suggested there may not be a clear path forward.
"The fact that they left the description of these tools vague seemed to reflect that the administration is having a challenging time balancing the planned restrictions against the concerns of a private sector that continues to have a stake in Chinese investments," wrote Martin Chorzempa, a senior fellow with the PIIE. "The vision advertised is bold, but its ultimate success is in question," wrote Mireya Solís, director of the Center for East Asia Policy Studies at Brookings. She suggested that Biden's decision to rely heavily on executive orders to impose this new "international economic strategy" would leave Congress as well as the private sector feeling marginalized.
Congress might get involved, but it's unlikely to stand in the way. In early May, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.) reportedly tasked Democratic committee chairs to begin working on what he called a "China competition bill." There's likely to be plenty of interest on the other side of the aisle too. "If one of the bigger things we did over the last four years was beef up CFIUS process to more closely scrutinize Chinese investment in the United States, I think the next phase of that is going to be looking at capital flows from America to China," Rep. Mike Gallagher (R–Wisc.) told Semafor in January.
Any congressional effort is likely to build upon a 2021 proposal by Sens. Bob Casey (D–Penn.) and John Cornyn (R–Texas), who authored a bill to create an outbound investment screening program similar to what the Treasury Department is now contemplating.
A bipartisan group in the House introduced a new version of that legislation in early May. The bill calls for a new committee that looks a lot like the existing CFIUS—drawing together leaders of the Departments of Commerce, Treasury, Defense, Homeland Security, and Labor, along with intelligence officials—to block foreign investments. The lawmakers frame the effort as a way to prevent outsourcing, and their bill quickly scored an endorsement from Liz Shuler, president of the AFL-CIO.
This rush to create yet another executive-branch black box with poorly defined powers over how American companies and individuals spend their money abroad deserves more scrutiny than it is likely to receive. By restricting trade, we are hurting not just others but ourselves.
At the group's annual China Business Conference on May 10, U.S. Chamber of Commerce President Suzanne Clark spoke directly to the potential dangers of this rush to stigmatize American investment in China as a national security risk. "We must safeguard our national security and our values," she said, stressing that being asked to pick between them is a "false binary."
"Transactions that don't pose a threat to national security strengthen the U.S. economy, present opportunities for small businesses, and improve the standard of living for millions of Americans," Clark said. "If we treat every economic transaction as a risk, we lose focus on areas that truly pose a threat."
It's been more than five years since Trump's infamous declaration that "trade wars are good and easy to win." It turns out that trade wars are easy—to start and to escalate. But not to win. Biden has maintained Trump's tariffs and now seems poised to expand the trade war, a strategy that carries real risks. The current approach requires a complex mix of interventions in the form of subsidies for domestic technology manufacturing and policing of global supply chains. It is built on the assumption that government officials will make the right calls about which economic issues count as a clear "national security" concerns, unmuddied by the inevitable campaigns to influence their decisions. It also assumes that future presidents, possibly including Trump, will staff those positions with competent and clear-eyed officials too. Do you really want to take those odds?
The people pushing this "new consensus" also make a dangerous assumption about geopolitics. In trying to wall off investment in China, the White House is giving countries an incentive to build more barriers to trade and investment around the world—and not all of the new rules will be oriented as America desires. A zero-sum global economy will leave many people worse off, and it will raise the stakes for conflict over the scarce resources being jealously guarded behind national borders. Trade has long been an engine for global economic growth and a way to help keep the peace between nations. In trying to turn it into an exercise in military might, Biden and his enablers in Congress risk turning what should be an engine of peace into an engine of war.
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This thing where Joe Biden's enemies are trying to humiliate him by attacking his son who struggles with addiction is really ugly. And it doesn't become less ugly because they pretend to believe that it is a corruption scandal.
A posterboy for all the forms of "privilege" Dems claim they want to dismantle? Well, he's just a "son who struggles with addiction."
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Just trying to pay the bar tab.
Who among us, that has struggled with addiction, hasn't accidentally accepted millions of dollars in bribes from foreign countries?
It's the go-to excuse for progressives: "Don't be so judgmental! Whose kid hasn't done X / We all did X when we were young." for X = "stolen stuff", "stabbed someone", "supported totalitarian dictators", "gotten pregnant/impregnated someone", etc.
The idea that the majority of kids grow up healthy, non-criminal, studying hard, and getting ready to live as responsible adults, simply doesn't occur to progressives because most of them didn't themselves.
Nicely put.
Sigh, I would have gladly accepted bribes but nobody bribes the son of a gardener.
Kentucky Clinic admits to child transgender surgeries despite prior denials.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kentucky-clinic-admits-child-sex-change-surgeries-despite-dem-govs-insistence-procedures-dont-happen
So we have evidence from clinics. Know Jazz Jennings got bottom surgery at age 17. Have WPATH advocating for bottom surgery. APA continuing their guidance on bottom surgery despite ongoing review. And Biden's own sheet on various Gender Affirming Care treatments including bottom surgery for kids.
Thank God those are all false.
According to a letter sent to a Republican member of the Kentucky General Assembly in March, the university health system’s Transform Clinic, which specializes in care for the LGBTQ+ community, said that although it “does not perform genital gender reassignment surgery on minors,” it had “performed a small number non-genital gender reassignment surgeries on minors, such as mastectomies for older adolescents” in “recent years.”
If you are going to debate me, pay attention to what I actually say. I have always admitted that “top surgeries” are happening to minors.
Did you also know that cisgender minors get breast surgeries done much more often, for cosmetic reasons, and conservatives have never cared one wit about it?
Are you still denying evidence of bottom surgery despite the examples given in that post? Amazing.
It’s not amazing. He’s a stupid liar.
But he thinks he's a libertarian genius (or that we do).
Nice try Mike. You’ve been given this information a dozen times at this point.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-insurance-data-reveals-shocking-number-of-minors-obtained-transgender-surgeries
The Komodo analysis of insurance claims additionally found 56 genital surgeries occurred among patients with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis ages 13 to 17 from 2019 to 2021.
And before you try it "stopped" in 2021, that was the limit of the data the researchers were given.
So you are admitting you have no evidence of any current genital surgeries on minors.
The retardation is strong with this one.
This is exactly why I don't mute people who disagree with me.
People here have given Mike what, maybe fifty, sixty citations of genital surgeries on minors... in America... in the last five years, but because he's got 90% of the commentariat muted, he hasn't seen them and now looks like an idiot.
There is still a good chance that he knows, however, and is just being disingenuous Chemjeff-style.
Look: "you have no evidence of any current genital surgeries on minors."
There's a good chance he slipped that "current" in there for the purposes of sophistry if confronted. When Don't Cite Me Bro confronts him he'll insist that 2021 stats don't count because they're not "current".
Mike is Dunning-Krueger made flesh.
This is just amazing to see a brainwashed idiot in action.
Goddamn, you have got to be either the most retarded commenter here or the most disingenuous (or both).
Oh, look. All the usual rude, right-wing trolls known for their dishonesty are ankle-biting my comment.
You calling others dishonest after this display? Lol.
Replying to your posts, in a discussion forum, isn’t ankle-biting. Goddamn, Tony doesn’t even try to pull that crap.
Let’s see. Looks like this Jazz Jennings is 22 now, so she/he got surgery in, what, 2018?
I never said such surgeries didn’t happen to minors in the past. In fact, several times here, I have congratulated conservatives in their success on shining a light on transgender care clinics, which has resulted in their being more open about their policies about minors and more careful to follow those policies.
Good job! You should celebrate your success instead of pretending like bottom surgeries are still being done on minors to bolster your partisan team’s victimhood narrative.
Lol. You mean after you changed from it never happened to it isnt happening this very second?
Liarson will accept only a live stream from the operating room as proof.
He won't watch videos though.
Maybe he went blind from Syphilus.
Have WPATH advocating for bottom surgery.
Yes, I know. They have been advocating. Unsuccessfully, so far.
Except for all the insurance claims you’ve been provided multiple times showing you that you are wrong.
Why did you ignore the white house evidence?
God you are obtuse and useless. I don't mute you because I find it entertaining to mock your answers.
"Transform Health does not perform genital gender reassignment surgery on minors. Indeed, these types of surgeries on minors are not considered best practice in the United States and are performed in this country very rarely."
Note what is and isn't being said here. "Does not perform", not "we never performed" genital surgery. "Are performed...very rarely", not "are not performed".
Same here for a carpenter's son, although I did get a sweet deal for highly carcinogenic plaster demolition jobs.
I wouldn’t have it any other way, though. I know how to work hard unlike dickhead politicians’ sons. And I’m talking dickhead’s kids from Al Gore’s son to Hunter to Trump’s two older sons.
Mike, I know you’re not terribly bright, but it IS common for people to pay off the relatives of a mob boss, rather than pay him directly.
It is amazing seeing dems like Mike claiming that this strategy has never been tried. Paying off family members is not a novel or unique example of a genius super criminal.
Or molested their underage tween niece?
They did the same thing to Perot. He carped about exactly that.
One of the very reasons the USA has a national government is to "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations" (Article I, Section 8).
That is the only way the USA can ensure justice in international trade. Heck; China is already robbing USA's IP like nobodies business even with trade agreements stating they won't allow it. And why should China be allowed to buy/own USA industries? Is that really wise? Should I park my car in my neighbors yard and just tell them well it's "free trade" between neighbors?
One of the very reasons the US government is broken is because they've gone socialist. (i.e. think it's their job to control the US market). That is the only curse behind their foreign trade policy.
There is nothing cursed about avoiding disputes about who owns what in who's bathroom which will start a war long before everyone keeping their stuff in their own bathroom.
Hate to think how poorly dishwasher chips would work in military equipment.
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And water.
And make you wonder if they did anything at all. 🙂
The United States is escalating its trade war with China, and it is doing so by targeting the free movement of goods and money across the globe in new ways."
When was this magical time? Especially in regards to China? Oh. Eric, are you talking about corporate theft and not paying for what is stolen?
If you follow Zeihan, you know that, Post WWII, the US guaranteed freedom of the seas for all nations. This is one reason we had such a large navy with carriers. We also were tasked with a lot of economic rebuilding. We kept at it a lot longer than we should have. It's time we either did what others have been doing or insisting that they stop and things became more equitable.
Judge in Trump 1a case once stated ina ruling on J6 how bad it was Trump was still free. No comment on how her being judge now is just fine.
Julie Kelly ????????
@julie_kelly2
Today Judge Tanya Chutkan warned Trump's lawyers that politics had no place in her courtroom or in this case.
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But here is Judge Chutkan berating a J6er during a sentencing hearing in Oct. 2022.
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She clearly expressed anger that Trump was still "free" and not behind bars: image
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1690097151156629504
Oh wow! She’s actually expressing anger that he isn’t behind bars yet.
"And the people who mobbed the Capitol were there in fealty, in loyalty, to one man. It's a blind loyalty to one person who, by the way, remains free to this day"
"This is nothing less than an attempt to violently overthrow the government, the legally, lawfully, elected peacefully elected government"
In what banana republic would you not be forced to recuse yourself... oh, right.
No wonder Jack picked her, she already wrote the verdict.
Hey Buttplug SRG, chemjeff, JFree, sarcasmic, I'm super interested in your explanations about how this is all right.
She's also wrong. Most Trump supporters didn't have "blind loyalty to Trump", they were simply scared to death of the alternatives.
It's just when your other choices are people like Obama, Clinton, McCain, Romney, Bush, McConnell, etc., even an inexperienced loudmouth reality TV show host starts looking pretty good.
No. If you think that Biden was a terrible choice, but legitimately elected, you don't join in J6 hoping to get Congress to stop certification.
The J6 protests against Biden were no more "blind loyalty to Trump" than the violent protests against Trump (e.g., by ANTIFA and BLM) from 2016 to 2020 were "blind loyalty to Biden/Hillary".
Did Biden and Hillary encourage those violent protests? Nope.
Did Biden/Hillary they ever ask for peace in any statements? Trump did.
Yes, shrike, please answer.
Maxine Waters was definitely encouraging violence.
Maxine Waters is a saint and encouraged violence only because you dirty rednecks deserve to be used as target practice by your betters.
Viva Koch!
Viva Soros!
Long live Joe Biden!
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What do you call it when Biden's VP promoted bail for mostly peaceful protestors who got arrested?
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Not incitement:
"there will be blood in the streets” - Loretta Lynch
“Who says protests have to be peaceful“ - Cuomo
“There needs to be unrest in the streets” - Ayanna Pressley
“Protesters should not give up” - Kamala Harris
“I just don’t know why they aren’t uprising all over this country“ - Nancy Pelosi
“You get out and create a crowd and you push back on them, tell them they are not welcome“ - Maxine Waters
“I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh: You have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price! You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions!” - Chuck Schumer
"(the Supreme Court is) Illegitimate! Illegitimate! Into the streets! Into the streets! - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Deadly incitement:
“Go home with love and peace, remember this day forever“ - Donald J Trump
Mike: “Do you have a video of all those statements that I will never watch?”
I honestly don't know how she doesn't recuse herself after this find after she already played games with ore hearing sessions setting dates Trumps lawyers can't be there, despite DoJ agreeing to other dates.
It’s not “all right” but nor is it all wrong. It’s not evident that she’s expressing anger at all, just because someone claims on X-box that she was. It’s worth noting that in the other quote, Chutkan is clearly distinguishing between Trump and the rioters – “their guy lost” which happens to be an accurate interpretation.
I would need to see evidence of actual judicial bias in the case – something akin to Cannon’s early pro-Trump rulings (overturned by a conservative appellate court, note) only anti-Trump. If reasonable requests by Trump are denied, and unreasonable requests by Jack “the Ripper” Smith is granted, that would show bias and then I would agree she should recuse. (Just because Trump makes a request, of course, doesn’t make it reasonable, though Trump fans will claim that the denial of any request shows bias.)
i would prefer it if judges did recuse to avoid the appearance of bias or to be above suspicion, which might require Chutkin to recuse, but then you’d have to have Cannon – and Thomas – recuse, so clearly there’s no general and broadly applicable principle at work.
It's wrong because it shows bias, which a judge isn't supposed to have during a trial.
“their guy lost”
Thats not what she said in her statement dumdum.
something akin to Cannon’s early pro-Trump rulings (overturned by a conservative appellate court, note)
Lol. She noticed the general warrant that so scooped up privileged materials. Try again shrike.
unreasonable requests by Jack “the Ripper” Smith is granted, that would show bias and then I would agree she should recuse.
Like last week when the DoJ and Trumps legal team said they could be present on the 10th, 14th, or 15th and she scheduled the hearing for the 11th?
unreasonable requests by Jack “the Ripper” Smith is granted,
Smith has already admitted to lying to the court and lying on a subpoena without consequence.
Doing well today shrike.
I'm still not shrike, you lying pro-child-abuse fuckwit.
Amazing how even after I tell you a half dozen times that it doesn't matter to me if you are shrike or not as you use the same fucking idiotic barratives and are as ignorant as him... you continue to use this as a response to avoid an actual argument.
Good work shrike.
I don't really care which one of the paid mouthpieces you are.
For all intents and purposes you're a Shrike.
How long until he realizes it is akin to calling someone an NPC? I mean I've told him a half dozen times. When will he understand?
That's why I call him "Diet Shrike". Not sure if he is Shrike, but he has that same bad taste with fewer calories.
But with nothing to consider, they forget my name-ame-ame-ame
They call me Shrike
They call me AmSoc
They call me Dajjal
A pedo shame
That's not my name
That's not my name
That's not my name
That's not my name
They call me Vote Quimby
But I'm a QueenAmalthea
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Always the same
That's not my name
That's not my name
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Did you just accidentally list all your socks shrike?
When sockpuppets go rogue. Chemjeff shouldn't have left me unattended.
As I noted above, someone has spoofed my login
Nope. It’s you and your fellow travelers that are trying to normalize fucking children. California SB 145 comes to mind. As well as growing democrat efforts to substitute the label ‘minor attracted persons’ for ‘pedophile’.
Face it, you and leftist friends are either murdering babies in the womb, or mutilating and/or fucking the survivors.
7 revelations from Tuckers interview with ex Capitol Chief Sunday. Something is rotten in Denmark.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/11/7-revelations-from-ex-capitol-police-chief-that-explode-democrats-jan-6-narrative/
“None of that was included in the intelligence coming up,” Sund said. “We now know FBI, DHS was swimming in that intelligence. We also know now that the military seemed to have some very concerning intelligence as well. “
“None of the intelligence,” Sund said, was shared with the Capitol Police chief.
“I’ve done many national security events and this was handled differently,” Sund added. “No intelligence, no [Joint Intelligence Bulletin], no coordination, no discussion in advance.”
Military officials were so concerned about the intelligence that warned of an explosive riot that the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Mark Milley, considered preemptively shutting down the city.
"While Sund was begging congressional leaders to greenlight assistance from the National Guard, New Jersey State Police were on their way to reinforce Capitol Police.
The 150 to 180 National Guard troops who were “within eyesight” of the Capitol, Sund told Carlson, were put in vehicles and driven around the complex back to the D.C. Armory. Instead, Sund received the evening troops, who didn’t arrive on the scene until 6 p.m. By that point, according to Sund, the Capitol was under control.
By the time the National Guard finally showed up, Sund noted, “New Jersey State Police [had] beat them to the Capitol.”
National Guardsmen were then positioned in front of the Capitol to take “pictures for military magazines” as “heroes” of Jan. 6.
“Acting Secretary of Defense [Christopher] Miller and General Milley had both discussed locking down the city of Washington D.C. because they were so worried about violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6,” Sund said.
On Jan. 4, however, Miller signed a memo “restricting the National Guard from carrying the various weapons, any weapons, any civil disobedience equipment that would be utilized for the very demonstrations or violence he sees coming.”
"while also bragging the U.S. was in "the strongest position in decades to compete" with the country."
That stopped being true when Biden took the oath of office.
Like, overnight?
Yes
Coups often happen overnight.
Please try to keep up, Laursen, coups usually happen pretty fast, and if you don't actually stop to look at them, you might miss something.
Donald Trump is gay.
Not as gay as Obama, apparently.
https://nypost.com/2023/08/12/barack-obama-told-ex-i-make-love-to-men-daily-but-in-the-imagination/
That line apparently worked well on that hot piece of ass Obama was tapping.
You mean his chef shrike?
The thing that's interesting about this letter is not so much Obama's gay sexual fantasies, but his gnostic view of reality.
Modern progressivism/leftism is a gnostic religious cult.
She was probably an English major who read a lot of Kafka.
Full retard already shrike? Obama wrote the fucking letter.
No kidding, dumbass.
I went full Betty Friedan feminist once for a Playboy-quality piece. And I am a sexist asshole.
Hell, more than once I even claimed Jeeby as my personal savior to score some Southern Baptist chick. I did grow up in Georgia after all. You have to improvise for pussy.
How many times has you telling women you look at child porn worked. Now apply it to sleeping with men.
full Betty Friedan feminist = dressed in mom's frumpy housedress.
playboy-quality piece= JR magazine centerfold
You have to improvise for pussy= fap, fap, fap.
What do you do with your prepubescent victims? Tell them you love candy canes?
I can't find any literary origin of the phrase; it seems to be an Obama original.
Of course, Kafka was an existentialist and a socialist, which places his thinking and writing in the gnostic tradition.
Kafka was an existentialist and a socialist, which places his thinking and writing in the gnostic tradition.
Well, I was going to use Satre but I knew damn good and well the Peanut Gallery wouldn't know who he was.
Sartre was also an existentialist and a Marxist, and also gnostic in nature. What's your point?
I already made it.
Not really. You cited another name. Probably never read anything by them like all your other uses of names from Rand to Hayek.
He doesn’t even read the articles he links. As is often pointed out. I personally will NEVER click on anything that pedophile shitpig links here.
Yes, and we disposed of your point. Obama was not, in fact, just quoting or paraphrasing some famous piece of literature.
Instead, Obama gave us an insight into how he views the world personally. And his world view is existentialist and gnostic.
The fact that you thought his statement reflected Kafka and Sartre, two socialists and existentialists, only underlines this point.
Hey! Shreek actually made a point! Is that a first?
One odd aspect of this story about Obama's gay fantasies is that it is from a book that was published six years ago, but somehow the book and the story didn't get much attention at the time.
No. It is from an interview done a few weeks ago from the author of the book, not the book itself.
You have real issues with honesty.
Mike am dumb
Make he is dehydrated and needs to up his intake of HO2, or H2SO4. Not that he would know the difference.
I bet Obama fucked Trump.
So whose troll sock puppet are you?
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Crime is so bad near S.F. Federal building employees are told to work from home, officials said
When this happens, the last thing citizens should do is vote for "tough on crime" politicians. Billionaires like George Soros and Charles Koch don't like that.
Instead, people should just stay home as much as possible. Maybe even put metal bars over their windows.
#BillionairesKnowBest
Well, at least the shit stained, crime ridden, decaying building with no brains or life in it is a perfect representation of the person it was named after.
I probably should have filed that under "Parody is obsolete" because Pelosi's name on the building is too perfect.
Donnie taught us that hiking taxes on Chinese products while blaming them for the Wuhan Flu despite a lack of evidence is wise foreign policy because Taiwan is not important to the world economy at all.
But sucking Vlad's rusty cock and pulling out of NATO is the way to get tough on Russia. Because Vlad is a dreamy leader Donnie admires.
It all makes sense now.
Weird.
President Obama slapped a stiff 35% tariff on Chinese tires in 2009 after American companies complained about unfair competition.
https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/03/news/economy/obama-china-tire-tariff/
Isn’t that your top president ever?
Obama actually had a great pro-America strategy to deal with China and eliminate 18,000 tariffs on US made goods - the TPP.
Populist Idiots like Bernie Sanders, the Squaw, and Fatass Donnie shit on the USA by killing the TPP.
Yet actually analysis shows us differently. Doesn't it shrike?
See shrike your problem is you fall for every single lie a Democrat says and deny actual evidence when presented to you.
Just like Mike, Jeff, Sarc, etc.
Your version of democrat liberalism, not classical, relies on being naive and dumb enough to ignore actions while pushing lies.
Wrong. The TPP was brilliant pro-USA strategy.
Bernie Sanders, the Squaw, and Fatass Donnie
Anytime these three idiots agree on something you know it is bad for America.
"Blah derp globalist NWO blabber WTO worker blah blah stupid bullshit" is al those three dumbass populists can spout.
The TPP was an excuse to lock in patents and copyrights forever masquerading as a trade deal.
Lol. Just blind yo every set of facts. By definition your denial of reality shows yours not a classical liberal.
This is like saying the Iran Pact was a brilliant Pro US strategy as long as you ignore Iran ignoring it since it was signed.
You really are a dumb Democrat. No wonder you love Biden and his policies. No wonder you support Schiff. No wonder you think Media Matters is non partisan.
Lol.
So now you're a Bernie Sanders/Liz Warren fan.
The Trump Cult pull is that strong!
How shrike? Please explain.
Youre already flailing. Time to switch to a sock.
His nonsensical deflection technique.
Make a crazy retard claim to shift the conversation from an uncomfortable trajectory.
Bullshit.
Those three (Bernie, Squaw, Fatass Donnie) demagogued hard against the TPP.
They know that blue collar idiots blame "free trade" for the loss of Rust Belt jobs. It is pure anti-libertarian bullshit.
So you Trump Cultists are in the same idiot box with Bernie and the Squaw.
So shrike I can call you a neocon since they campaigned for it too? Lol.
You are one of the few here who posts Bulwark by the way. I've never posted campaign materials from Bernie or Liz in defense of it.
What a retarded attempt.
Still dancing around the TPP's crazy copyright and patent protections I see.
"But, but Chinese pirates"
Who wouldn't be affected by extending drug patents and Mickey Mouse copyright into perpetuity.
"blue collar idiots"
Here Shrike lets the mask slip a little. As expected of a internet politruk for establishment elitism.
Remember when you claimed that Media Matters was non-partisan, though?
Who's the simp?
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Media Matters is non-partisan.
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Schiff is one of the last truth-tellers in Congress as he stood up to the MAGA Swamp and called out Fatass Donnie’s Russian collusion starting in the Trump Tower on June 9, 2016 culminating in Helsinki where Fatass French-Kissed Vlad then shit on US intelligence in favor of the Kremlin.
Remember when you called Adam Schiff the most honest man in Congress? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Here. Another one for you shrike. Obama tried to create an agreement with China to reduce IP and intellectual theft. Obama and the state department admitted only a year later that China was in complete violation of the pact.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-violated-obama-era-cybertheft-pact-u-s-official-says-1541716952
The TPP had strong IP protection, idiot. Especially for software and pharma - the two industries that get ripped off the most by the Pacific Rim.
IP protections China openly violated within a year? Define strong.
Whatever Soros tells him is strong.
I'm not sure how exactly supporting a murderous, slave-driving, hostile communist regime by sending them lots of US dollars is "pro-America".
TPP. Look it up. Learn something.
Then try again.
Do you find it odd how many democrats in Obama orbit quote Mao?
A one sided agreement with a country that openly violates prior agreements is a retards pact. No wonder you support it. Lol.
Let me ask you shrike. What triggers were there in the TPP for violations of the agreement? Were they tariffs? Lol.
China wasn't in the TPP, moron.
The idea was to set the rules for trade in the Pacific and force China to comply with US trade rules by setting up a single trade policy for the region.
Yes, that was "the idea". Another one of Obama's Wile E. Coyote schemes, or more likely just a nice propaganda story for gullible fools like you to justify his corporate cronyism.
TPP was far from perfect, but it was a heck of a lot better than the trade wars that have replaced it.
To the contrary: the more tariffs we impose on China, the better.
Lol. Parody right?
Tariffs are not imposed on China. They are taxes paid by Americans who buy stuff from China.
When country A wants to harm country B, they may impose a trade embargo to hamper trade between citizens of country B and other countries.
When country A is run by economic ignoramuses such as Trump or Biden, it will impose a trade embargo on itself by placing tariffs on imported goods, hampering trade between citizens country A and other countries.
The correct terminology is "tariffs are imposed on China". What the economic consequences are doesn't change the terminology.
And I don't have a problem with tariffs being equivalent to a "tax paid by Americans"; tariffs currently amount to $100 billion/year, compared to more than $5 trillion/year in income and capital gains taxes and $1 trillion/year in new debt. The more we can shift from the latter two to tariffs on China, the better.
The correct terminology is “tariffs are imposed on China”.
The correct terminology is "tariffs are imposed on Chinese goods."
The more we can shift from the latter two to tariffs on China, the better.
Tariffs on Chinese goods are paid by Americans, not China. Nothing is shifted to China.
Good! If we can get Americans to pay $5 trillion on goods from China, while eliminating income tax, we are a lot better off as a country!
Income taxes and capital gains taxes are bad, consumption taxes (including tariffs) are good.
Someone tell Sarc that tariffs were meant to be the only funding source for the US government, because then the government is forced to rely for funding on how strong the economy is doing. Strong economies afford more imports while weak economies afford less imports. Additionally, relying on tariffs hindered the government's ability to borrow, as tariffs are a far less assured means of steady income then taxing personal income. In fact, taxing personal income was even considered a legitimate reason to revolt by Medieval English nobility, who used the word 'conscription' to describe income taxes (the same word we use for drafting people). These conscriptions were a major issue that brought about the revolts against King John, his son, Henry III, Edward II, and Richard II.
Tariffs also helped the fledgling country to quickly industrialize. Prior to the revolution, the British Crown and Parliament severely restricted manufacturing in the colonies, while also limiting coinage in the colonies. This forced colonists to pay for manufactured goods (which could only legally be imported from England or English middle men). After the revolution the British attempted to replicate this through trade policies meant to favor British merchants, while also restricting the export of tools and machinery to the newly freed USA. Congress responded with tariffs to address the British governments market manipulation and allowed US manufacturers to compete with British exporters, while also offsetting the higher purchase costs of tools and machinery from France (which produced fewer of these goods than England, which was much better industrialized at that point, the German states were a non entity at that point, and didn't begin to massively industrialize until after the Napoleonic Wars and really only became a manufacturing powerhouse due to Bismarck and his policies as Chancellor). The US government didn't directly subsidize the purchase of these goods by American businesses but tariffs allowed manufacturers to raise prices necessary for these investments without being undersold by British imports (that were largely cheaper because England had industrialized by the end of the 18th century while, prior to the Revolution, barred American industrialization by law).
You missed the part where the income tax was sold as a way to make up for revenue that would be lost when they made alcohol illegal. Tariffs and whiskey funded the federal government at the time.
Yes if the entire tax system could be changed to fund the government with consumption taxes, I’d sign up. But that’s not how things are.
In today’s world tariffs hurt consumers who are already taking it up the ass from the tax man. And they're bad economics.
And if other countries want to subsidize industry, I say thanks to the taxpayers in those countries for making stuff cheaper for me. Sucks for the people living there.
Didn't miss anything. I was showing why our founding fathers preferred tariffs to income taxes and why anyone who believes in liberty and capitalism should agree. Government funding is necessary but the source of the funding should be done in a way that the encourages government to create policies that enhance economic activities. Income taxes are the worst way to fund a government from a liberty point of view and capitalism point of view. Smith even said as much. You are arguing with NYOB, who maintains that tariffs are better than taxing income using the 'muh cheap product' while ignoring that your cheap products only exist because we replaced tariffs with income taxes, decreasing liberty while also impeding capitalism in the process. This is why I've called you a corporatist rather than a capitalists, because funding government is necessary to some degree and the best method is on goods imported into a country. Yes consumers end up paying for it if they buy imported goods but it's a user fee, the same as toll roads and postage stamps (should be, anyhow). Ten years ago Reason was arguing for toll roads as a libertarian way to fund roads, because user fees are by far the least onerous way to raise government funds. You don't pay them unless you use them. Tariffs are in fact a user fee. They may be immoral but they are the least immoral way for government to raise funds.
I have said on many occasions that if the federal government could fund itself with tariffs and get rid of all other taxes, that I'd sign up.
Until then I live in the real world where that's not how the government funds itself, its how the government punishes consumers for buying stuff from people it doesn't like.
So sarcs version of liberty is supporting what makes things cheaper for him at the expense of others.
Talk about principles.
No, living in the real world realizes that our current system is unsustainable and thus is in drastic need for reformation, that globalization, as it's currently being practiced is not pro-liberty or capitalism. And thus, arguing against the use of tariffs because consumers pay is just furthering the current system. I actually believe a form of national selfishness is more conducive to liberty than globalization. You can label this nationalism if you like, but a government that focuses exclusively on the needs and success of it's citizens is less likely to impose restrictions on their personal freedom and economic activities than a government that is worried about it's standing in relationship to other countries and trying to maximize economic activity. Whenever the government tries to maximize economic activity, it invariably leads to more regulations and restrictions. The argument that what other countries do shouldn't effect how we do business is also naive, as most countries put their own interests first, and this should be realized. For true liberty, a government can't make compromises to please another nation, which China currently expects (because we largely have allowed them to get away with it). Yes, tariffs shouldn't be punishment, but when dealing with a government controlled economy they can be vital for negotiating reduction of trade tariffs to your own subjects exports. Which in the long run should be the only true function of government in regards to economic activity. The ideals of liberty and free markets are best handled by selfish centrism when applied to government. Altruism in the name of governance is something that those who champion liberty should look at askance. Greed is good.
Yet you brought it up while discussing China.
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The TPP had strong IP protection, idiot.
Non idiots knew China would always be brought in.
In September 2021, China applied to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), a trade bloc that includes 11 Asia-Pacific economies.
Which is why you and Obama supported it. So China could keep trading at an advantage while the rest of the world ignored their anti free market actions.
Ah, I see, you actually believe the fiction that the TPP was anti-China.
Never-mind Trump's USMCA trade deal....
The TPP had mandatory minimum wage, environmentalist BS and other Authoritarian crap in it. It's essentially just another globalist Nazi-Agreement just like the Paris Accord is. I don't mind straight trade agreements but this Nazi-For all BS has to be cut; the USA shouldn't ever sign onto a trade-agreement that insist it's own definition be voided.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
For a while the Chinese virgins were cheaper than recaps.
Chinese virgins? How old are they?
/buttplug
Lol. But what about Obama? He he. All you got.
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Rep Dean Phillips (D) is correct - Biden should drop his reelection bid now.
Minnesota Rep. says he has ‘grave concerns’ about Biden reelection bid, encourages Dems to challenge him
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4150114-minnesota-rep-says-he-has-grave-concerns-about-biden-reelection-bid-encourages-dems-to-challenge-him/
The treasonous Donald Trump should be getting trounced in early polls but old Joe is perceived as too old and he has no serious challenger in the Democratic primary. RFK Jr and the nice 'Course in Miracles' lady are not serious candidates.
Retire, Joe. Spare Americans anotherTrump disaster.
Yeah, it's treason to go against the swamp.
https://media.giphy.com/media/n5Vd1YcBNA5eU/giphy.gif
I’ve been wondering when the script would officially change to “retire, Joe”. Is it safe to say word has come out from Party Central?
Democrats are too stupid to have a single-threaded Kremlin like Party Central. Senators like Manchin, Sinema, King and others keep going rogue on the party.
Yeah. Pelosi. Reid, or Schumer could never keep people in line. Dems don't have a more partisan vote score than the GOP.
Everything you say is a dem narrative lie. Lol.
Remember:
If two Democrat senators out of the 48 total decide to vote with the Republican 50 senators, they are ‘obstructionists'.
If two Republican senators out of 50 side with the Democrats on a bill, well, that’s ‘bipartisan‘.
Fair.
Democrats are too stupid to have a single-threaded Kremlin like Party Central.
You mean like they do with narrative control with Media Matters?
Omegalul. Classic liberals for totalitarian parties.
Never change pedo.
Yeah, the party that selects their nominees based on the whims of the billionaire donor class is TOTES not a hive mind.
Never change demshill.
"Biden should drop his reelection bid now"
Why? Someone who gets all Biden-related news from you would believe...
Biden's economy is so fantastic only a crazy person would find fault with it.
The humiliating final days in Afghanistan were either no big deal, or a big deal that was entirely the fault of Biden's predecessor.
Biden has Putin on the ropes; it's all over but his inevitable overthrow and hanging.
Biden's son is a swell guy with one aboveboard business triumph after another.
How can such a wonderful President not deserve another 4 years? 🙁
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
Biden’s son is a swell guy with one aboveboard business triumph after another.
If you're into that family dynasty POTUS bullshit I would take Hunter over either Beavis or Butthead Trump.
Sure. That's what you're paid for. (Poorly, I hope, because you're not worth fifty-cents)
So you'd prefer a drug addict, who had sex with his brother's widow, cheated on her and knocked up the woman he cheated with. And has ignored said child for 4 years, while doing his damndest to escape child support.
Oh and committed at least a few confirmed felonies. Considering what your previous account was banned for, your choice of role model does not surprise me.
You’re talking to a guy who posted links to cp on this very site.
Whichever party drops it’s geriatric frontrunner and replaces him with ANY governor or congressman under 70 from their party will win the presidential election. If they BOTH do so, then we’ll have an actual race.
How? By not bullying girls into enslavement as breeder dams! Duh. Bush's Palito and Long dong with Trump's Klanboy and Mutterkreuz Mom reinstating the Comstockism the LP got overthrown in 1973 are the Dylan Mulhaney of the Grabbers of Pussy. Sayonara!
Hank, it's 2023. 1973 was 50 years ago.
He thinks the handmaids tale is a documentary.
Apple blossom’s wilt on the vine.
That's because there are no "lines". China is a communist country where economics serves the interests of the communist state. You cannot reason about economic interactions with China as if they were a private actor in a free market. China, and any trading partner in China, implicitly rejects the non-aggression principle. China is using trade, investments, monetary policy, etc. to gain a power advantage so that it can use violence in order to achieve its political ends.
You have to be a special kind of stupid to think that economic interactions with China can be understood in a free market or libertarian framework.
All trade is between individuals. When you buy something from "China" you're buying something from an individual person or company, not the government. Unless you think China's economic success is because of, rather than in spite of, government meddling in the economy. If that's the case you should sign up for Lizzy Warren's newsletter.
I don't know if I could even come up with a parody of your ignorance more ignorant than what you just posted. Governments also procure and sell. Happens all the time. On top of that you seem completely ignorant to china's economy.
Examples.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3636020-deterring-chinese-communist-party-influence-in-publicly-traded-companies/
https://www.csis.org/analysis/chinese-communist-party-targets-private-sector
I mean I basically have to bookmark this comment for next time you say you understand economics.
Today's GOP is hostile to the two most fundamental blocks of liberty.
1- I have a product to sell to someone else and it is no one else's business.
2- I own my body and alone can determine what goes in or out of it.
Pretty sad when GOP defenders call libertarians leftists for supporting liberty.
What liberty do you actually support sarc? From covid to censorship to murdering an unarmed woman.
Being naive and ignorant isn't actually supporting freedom. Tell me how ignoring Chinese slave labor camps is supporting liberty.
Libertarians for government censorship, political prosecutions, imprisoning dissidents without charges or trials, mandated violations of bodily autonomy and internment camp apologetics?
Oh yeah, you're super libertarian, Sarckles.
The "owning my own body and alone can determine what goes in or out of it" was taking out back and shot with the vaccine mandates.
That's certainly how you're framing it to ensure you can own someone else's body. lol.
You clearly don't understand so let me spell it out for you; the left has no ground to stand on!
With libs the only freedom anyone should have over their body is abortion. Now trade conservatives for libs and vaccines for abortion.
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That means that libertarians now have more in common with the left than with the right. Not because libertarians have drifted left. Rather its because the conservative right has abandoned support for liberty in general.
China’s economic success was due to being a rapidly developing country with cheap labor; even communist countries do well under those conditions. China’s economy is in the toilet now, which makes it all the more dangerous.
So when you buy from Zhengfu Zhaoya at State Owned Enterprise #193, that is “trade between individuals”? Are you seriously that delusional?
Even if you believe that nonsense, in a libertarian society, you do not get to engage in voluntary exchanges with anybody you choose, sorry. Individuals participating freely in a libertarian society and in free trade must obey the NAP.
It is entirely libertarian to prohibit you from trading with entities that violate the NAP; and if you do it anyway, a libertarian society will punish you because you participate in someone else's violation of the NAP.
So when you buy from State Owned Enterprise #193, that is “trade between individuals”?
As of 2022 there were 97 state-owned companies. So unless they've got some weird numbering scheme going on, 'State Owned Enterprise #193' doesn't exist.
I literally posted two links you could have used to educate yourself. But double down. Meh.
WTF are you talking about? China has about 150000 state owned enterprises, accounting for the majority of its GDP. (Of those, 150000 enterprises, 91 are members of the Global 500.)
Furthermore, the remaining enterprises in China are state-controlled, even if they are not state owned.
In any case, I was illustrating the idiocy of your “All trade is between individuals.”, not talking about a specific company in China.
And, as I was pointing out, in a libertarian society, you do not actually get to trade with any individual you choose, you only get to trade with entities that don’t violate the NAP. Enforcing the NAP is one of the few functions of the state in a libertarian society.
And, as I was pointing out, in a libertarian society, you do not get to trade with any individual you choose, you only get to trade with entities that don’t violate the NAP. Enforcing the NAP is one of the few functions of the state in a libertarian society.
That's the first I've heard of that.
Well, what do you think happens to individuals that keep violating the NAP in a libertarian society?
Do you think you can keep stealing from your neighbor and beating up people without consequences?
What the fuck does criminal law have to do with trade wars? You're talking giberish.
Where was I talking about criminal law?
I was pointing out that violating the NAP has consequences in a libertarian society, one of which is an end to participating in voluntary transactions.
Whether that is implemented via criminal law, tariffs, sanctions, or other mechanisms is irrelevant.
Your idea that you have an absolute, unlimited right to engage in voluntary transactions with whoever you choose in a libertarian society is simply wrong.
People who violate the NAP are sanctioned in a libertarian society, and that also limits your ability to engage in voluntary transactions with them. The restriction is on them, not on you. The fact that your choices are limited by their sanctions is incidental.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you're saying in this libertarian society the government won't let you buy widgets from countries that aren't libertarian enough. Is that right? That doesn't sound libertarian to me. Seems like too much government power.
Sarc...
Are cops allowed to shut down a mob run store selling stolen goods? Or is that an attack on liberty.
You literally get dumber by the day.
I don't know what you mean by "this libertarian society". We don't live in a libertarian society.
In a libertarian society, you cannot engage in trade with entities that engage in grave, ongoing violations of the NAP; if you do, you yourself will be punished/expelled. Whether that is enforced by "the government" or some private association is up to the details of the libertarian society and its arrangements.
That's because you're not a libertarian. You confuse libertarianism with a society in which you have maximum individual freedom to act.
If you educated yourself for even 5 minutes regarding trade you would know about the rampant theft from China costing US businesses 10s of billions a year.
How are you so fucking ignorant?
Largely because he repeats tropes without performing actual critical thinking. Even Smith would point out how he is wrong here (kind of the point of Wealth of Nations). International trade hasn't been between individuals since the time of the Phoenicians. And anyone who maintains otherwise is either ignorant or gaslighting. This was kind of the major reason for the Punic Wars, Roman Imperialism, the colonials wars of the 17th and 18th century, etc.
Are you really arguing most Chinese companies are actually privately owned? Do you also believe that the people Stalin sent to the gulags were actually guilty?
Anyone here want to tell Sarc about the 'Soviet Decade'?
Or mention the fact that Fascists countries recovered quicker from the Depression than Capitalists countries? Because short term, state controlled economies can have massive growth potential. China's has just been longer than most, but it's continuously under threat of bursting because it's largely built on sand castles that have largely failed to crumble because western 'Capitalists' and governments have largely played along with the fiction, where we didnt in the 1930s and 1950s referring to my two examples above.
I think the long time it took for the US to recover from the Depression was more to due with FDR's economic policies. He was more anti-business and more erratic on economic policies than Italy or Germany were at the time.
No, they were antibusiness too, but yes FDR's policies put us behind countries like England (which was fairly capitalistic at the time). Germany and Italy, especially the latter, were FDR's blue print for his policies. The biggest difference was American laws and the Constitution constrained him more than Hitler or Mussolini were constrained. Thus they could throw government money to goose the economy while controlling every aspect of it. This is the same thing that occurred during the Soviet Decade in the 1950s. Government largesse artificially inflated the economy but it was unsustainable, thus the crash in the 1960s. Germany and Italy would have crashed even without WW2 for the same reason. China has largely been able to avoid this, at least for now, because international financiers and western governments have played along with the fiction, but they have so many knives in the air trying to keep it going, that eventually they will get cut. The problem with any managed economy is sooner or later, (generally sooner) government intervention cannot keep it going because it's all artificial. Government doesn't create, it can only regulate, restrict and take. Consumers on the other hand do create. That's why capitalism is the best system. Because economic activity is fueled by creation/productivity (and hindered by lack of creation/productivity). Taxing income decreased creativity of wealth, thus decreasing economic activity. Government can only meaningfully intervene through force. Thus all government intervened economic activities are doomed to eventual failure because there is no creation just destruction.
Good points.
"No, they were antibusiness too, "
That may or may not have been the case, but more to the point, they were all pro industry, and they had to deal with business men whether they liked it or not.
"because it’s all artificial"
No, it's real. They do tend to inflate their economic reports more than western economies, as indicated by night time satellite photography. But the amount of building and pouring concrete is very very great. They are building more nuclear reactors, for example, than anywhere else in the world.
It's artificial because it isn't driven by anything by government fiat and usually government fiat money too. It is not organic like capitalism is. And they were pro industry but controlled every aspect of those industries, including what they could charge and pay. That isn't pro business. It's pro control.
"It’s artificial because it isn’t driven by anything by government fiat and usually government fiat money too. "
I'm not sure what you mean. Nuclear power plants or the oil industry aren't artificial. Yet there is government involvement at every level. Same whether it's China, or the US.
"That isn’t pro business. It’s pro control."
Industry is all about control. It doesn't work unless the owners/managers (AKA business men) have control over the enterprise.
"but controlled every aspect of those industries,"
That's more true for communism. Under the Nazis, who were more interested in expanding their fiefdoms within the party than anything else, businesses were run by the business men who owned them. Also, unlike communism, the owners enjoyed the profits that came their way. Japanese fascism was much the same, with the zaibatsu carrying on much the same as it does today.
" It is not organic like capitalism is."
China is increasingly capitalistic as far as economics is concerned, expanding private wealth is a national goal. Arguably, countries like Canada or the UK are more socialistic than China is. Look at their systems of health care/insurance.
No, if the government controls it it isn't capitalism, it's corporatism or mercantilism. Learn the difference. Capitalism is free movement of money between individuals and individual entities outside government control. As for China, Xi has reversed a great number of those programs. And wealth is stagnant in China and soon to reverse due to the aging population. Stalin also wanted to increase personal wealth (in goods and services, if not money). As for you not getting it, that's obvious. It's all imaginary because governments create nothing fungible. It's all illusionary. Been that way since governments decided to stop using specie for money.
"No, if the government controls it it isn’t capitalism,"
You're quibbling here. The question is whether business men control their businesses. Governments are pro industry. They leave the management of businesses to the owners. Whether this is capitalism, socialism, artificial or organic is beside the point. Read up on the prewar history of Germany and Russia. They were very different. You will be surprised.
All trade is between individuals. When you buy something from “China” you’re buying something from an individual person or company, not the government.
No it isn’t. There is no trade across markets unless there is a mutually acceptable currency. There is an individual buyer and an individual seller and each of their banks which makes the payment happen and a reserve/third entity if the trade can’t be bilateral. Those currency 'managers' are what determine the PRICE of what is being exchanged. So - no there is no trade without 'price'.
You may take all that stuff for granted but it’s only because it WORKS. And no – bitcoin isn’t remotely close to being either a reserve/third entity or a buyer/seller intermediary of any seriousness – and it never will be because it has no interest in being a currency.
"There is no trade across markets unless there is a mutually acceptable currency."
Like dollars? We give them paper and they give us stuff. Seems like a good deal to me. Eventually those dollars come back to the country of issue in the form of investments. They buy into companies and help them get bigger. I remember in the 80s people were saying the Japanese were buying America and someone had to make it stop. Turns out it wasn't a bad thing. They're saying the same thing now. Based upon history, I'm not too worried about it. They give us stuff for money, and then use the money to create wealth here. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.
The Biden-Reagan-Bush prohibitionist asset-forfeiture laws starting 1986 wrecked all that--and most South American economies to boot. Those laws have been taken down from Congressional websites, by the way, since libertarians began calling attention to them, the Crashes and the wars they began.
Eventually those dollars come back to the country of issue in the form of investments.
No. They are debt. Now maybe we'll default on the debt - in which case you are really arguing for free trade based on fraud/theft. But debt is real - an exchange of goods/consumption today for work/production tomorrow. If you think that is 'individual' you are kidding yourself.
Except in communist countries, those individuals or companies belong to the government (NOYB2’s whole point), so you are de facto trading with the government. (In a lot of sectors, the same could be said for others trading with us.)
To the extent that China has enjoyed economic success, it is because the CCP has loosened its grip or used those individuals/companies to plunder intellectual property, etc. from their trade partners.
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Wouldn’t this be a secret service issue to begin with? Honest question. Not sure.
That's what I thought, but who knows anymore
"Wouldn’t this be a secret service issue to begin with?"
The FBI is tasked with protecting Democratic Party presidents.
In the US, that depends entirely on the skin color and party affiliation of the person.
"Refusal to comply" is the USUAL reason for people being shot by the police in the US.
No, it's not.
Pretty sure Sullum is banging out an investigative report at this very moment.
I'm sure Jeff is furious about this. We all remember how angry he was when a member of antifa was taken into an unmarked van so clearly he'll be raging at the government overreach, right?
Right?
Jeff will ask if they had the permission of his doctor to shoot him.
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Given the way the US tax system works, it costs some households $10000, and the vast majority of households nothing. That's why Americans keep voting for this.
Replace the income tax with a flat tax or even a fixed per-person tax, and this nonsense would stop instantly. The progressive income tax is at the root of fiscal irresponsibility and the progressive takeover of the federal government.
^^ Rich guy here.
Actually, income taxes, especially a progressive tax benefits the rich the most, as most rich don't make income as it's commonly described. The rich also benefit more from low or no tariffs, especially on luxury items. Why do you think so many wealthy progressives during the early 20th century pushed the 16A?
Yeah, the delusion that "the vast majority of households (pay) nothing" is common among the affluent.
And anyone who, I don't know, looks at the actual tax receipt data.
Which you obviously haven't done. The percentage of households that pay no tax is in the 17%-19% range.
People aren't claiming that most households "pay no taxes", an obviously ridiculous claim.
The fact is that most households pay no net taxes. That is, most households cost the government more on average than they pay in taxes.
Yeah when it comes to federal taxes I can't help but believe my own lying eyes. Maybe it's because for 35 years I've paid income taxes to The US Treasury and I've also paid self employment taxes to the US Treasury in a single check. Hmm. Almost like it's the same tax with two different names. Sure paying FICA and Medicare taxes, or whatever they call it these days, buys you a poverty welfare check if you live long enough and if the scheme hasn't collapsed before you reach the magic age, but as long as congress authorizes it the Treasury will cut that check whatever the "trust fund" balance is. The Treasury will also dump billions into the Ukraine graft racket even if there are no income taxes to support it. They will use payroll taxes and sell debt. There is only one treasury and all monies confiscated through taxation of any kind end up there. All expenditures authorized by congress are paid from there whatever the source. I'm totally in favor of cutting income taxes. But it is a fiction to say that people who have their labor confiscated through a payroll tax don't pay income taxes. The working class contributes more of their income to the treasury through the payroll tax than the income tax and congress pisses it away on Neocon fantasies and DEI training. As a practical matter there is no difference between an income tax, a payroll tax or a self employment tax. They all go to the same place and pay for the same shit.
If you ever received EITC Child Tax credits etc, you were getting government benefits rather you realized it or not. If you took out deductions others couldn't, again you were receiving benefits. Etc. Yeah we almost all pay income taxes but far less than we should if the government didn't create huge loopholes and deductions. Those are all benefits. As soon as they create exemptions it's a benefit. The fact is the bottom 50% of the tax bracket accounts for less than 5% of tax revenues and most aren't net tax payers once you look at services they utilize and benefits they qualify for. The fact is that income taxes have long been considered the worst threat to liberty possible when it comes to revenue sources. It wasn't until the progressive era that this changed.
For Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security, most people aren't paying in enough for the benefits they will eventually receive; that's why those programs are going bankrupt. And the lower your income, the more unpaid benefits you will receive.
For taxes, there are various calculations you can do: you can look at the individualized benefits and services people receive, or you can just look at broad averages. No matter how you do it, the statement is still true that the great majority of Americans aren't paying in enough for the amount of money the government spends on their behalf.
The fact that government programs are poorly run and a lot of money is wasted doesn't change any of that.
The vast majority of US households pay no net taxes. That is, the combined costs they impose on the government and benefits they receive from the government are higher than they pay in taxes.
Furthermore, US lower and middle class taxes are exceptionally low among developed nations.
Government never gave me shit. Who are these lucky bastards?
The federal government spends at least $20000 on your behalf every year: defense, administration, social services, courts, etc. If you're earning less than $120000/year, you're paying less than you cost.
The fact that most of those federal government services are useless to you and me doesn't change that math: all those federal programs are for the "general welfare".
For Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, low and middle class earners don't pay in enough for the benefits they eventually receive.
"The federal government spends at least $20000 on your behalf every year" Well, with all the waste and corruption, it's on someone's behalf. I don't know about mine.
Immigrant who arrived in the US with a small suitcase here, actually.
Rich guys don't pay income tax; they keep all their money and wealth in businesses and write off expenses.
The income tax is designed to keep the middle class from becoming rich. That's why so many rich guys are Democrats and favor high income taxes.
Or, crazy thought, repeal the 16A, and force the government to rely on tariffs and fees like the founding fathers meant for this country. Government income derived from tariffs are based on an economy strong enough to afford imports and are far more variable than income taxes, makes borrowing by the government harder. I would be open to altering the 16A to impose an income tax only during times of congressionally approved declarations of war (as this was the biggest argument used to pass the 16A, the need to fund government during times of war). But the one true Scotsman, ehr I mean libertarian, will yell tariffs bad at this proposal.
Anyone who claims to value liberty should support the idea that necessary functions of government should be supported by user fees, which tariffs are in a way. The consumer does end up paying the costs of tariffs but can easily avoid them by not buying imported goods. Libertarians used to champion the idea that government should be funded solely through user fees such as toll roads and tariffs. Before the globalists 'free marketers' took over. Government does require some funding, taxing income is the worst way from a liberty perspective to achieve this. And also from a capitalists view, as it takes money out of the economy, by taking it out of personal wealth.
The government has no trouble in deciding that any particular time is a time of war, whether it’s covid, drugs, communists, or people in the middle east.
The government owns huge amounts of land, whether they are nation forests, parks, including coastal waters on two oceans. How about the government to make its money by charging rent for anyone who puts government lands to making money? Or just selling it outright to the highest bidder. Just think how much China would pay for Yellowstone park. All those bears! All those gall bladders! If a landlord can’t make a decent buck by exploiting his property, what’s this world comming to?
Learn to read, I said confessionally approved declarations of war, which hasn't happened since December 11th, 1945. Something like around 95% of the country wasn't even alive last time the US officially declared war through a congressional declaration of war in accordance with the Constitution. As for land fees, you will find at one time the BLM and USFS were self funding through land usage fees, before the environmentalists decided to turn national forests and grasslands into temples to Gaia and at the same time actually made them less healthy and more prone to fire (which is actually the cause of the fires being so bad in Hawaii this week).
“Learn to read, I said confessionally approved declarations of war, which hasn’t happened since December 11th, 1945. Something like around 95% of the country wasn’t even alive last time the US officially declared war through a congressional declaration of war in accordance with the Constitution. ”
I know all that, but so what? The US has been engaged military for most of the time anyway. And that isn’t my point. The state is more and more willing to subvert its own laws and practices by assuming emergency powers, whether in pandemics, natural disasters, civil unrest and the list goes on.
“As for land fees, you will find at one time the BLM and USFS were self funding through land usage fees”
Funding the BLM? That’s chicken feed. I’m talking about funding the US government. The military, education, the whole megillah, If you’re going to eliminate taxes you’re going to need a lot more money than it takes to fund BLM, a relative backwater, budget wise.
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It worked in the J6 trials and the various defamation cases.
I know that they’ve got their orders, and the plebs are icky, but do these idiots have no concern about the fascist state they’re helping to create?
From Röhm to Nikolai Yezhov, the most ardent supporters are always eliminated in the end.
Of course. Dictators cannot tolerate activists, even the ones who supported them.
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My penis was in the Guinness Book of World Records until the librarian told me to take it out.
Drunk already? Maybe read a book instead of fucking one?
We believe you!
Oh, and for you nitwits out there who take everything people say seriously, that is what’s called “a joke.”
A joke without context or relevance to free trade or wars.
You must be a lot of fun at parties. /s
Better than attending children’s parties. Am I right?
For a case of rum, a carton of smokes and a dime bag Sarcasmic promised I could party with his daughter all weekend.
You should have heard him swear when her mom picked her up. He'd forgotten it was her weekend. I was pissed too because a road trip from Dogdick, Georgia to Portland, Maine ain't short.
We got drunk and went out keying cars for a bit, but that got old and Sarcasmic started getting mean and demanding that bag of weed I'd brought. So when he tripped and fell in a puddle I snuck off.
Headed south to meet up with a single mom I met on the internet who lives in Knoxville who had the cutest little twin boys. But that's a story for another day.
Don't jokes require actual humor?
Typically they're supposed to. Otherwise, one might think that the OP here was just a drunken comment uttered by one who has already downed an entire 24 pack of Bud Light before Noon.
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What "threatens real war" with China isn't tariffs.
It's the fact that China is a nationalist and socialist country run by a failing, insane communist dictator who will likely use war to try to stay in power a bit longer.
And it's the fact that the US is run by a senile imbecile war monger who couldn't stop China if he wanted to.
"It’s the fact that China is a nationalist and socialist country"
That's irrelevant. China is a Chinese country. And 5000 years of Chinese history, right up until the 20th century, show us that China does a piss poor job when it comes to fighting wars. Even worse, arguably, than the US, fresh from her 20 year debacle trying and failing to defeat a militia of part time goat herders who constitute the Pashtun nation in Afghanistan.
China is threatening to start a war over nationalism and to distract from the incompetence of its leadership.
And you're right: the Chinese leadership consists of idiots. If it didn't they wouldn't be considering going to war over this.
"China is threatening to start a war over nationalism and to distract from the incompetence of its leadership."
I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion, but even if it were so, it's a war they will almost certainly lose. Unless they chose a similarly incompetent adversary like the US. As for distracting from the incompetent leadership, they have TV and the internet, had for some time now.
By knowing what's going on in the world. Xi is talking about Taiwan like Hitler was talking about lost German territories.
Germans in the 1930's also had access to mass media and information about the world.
That doesn't change the fact that the war is caused by Xi's Hitler-like politics, not by Biden's tariffs.
"That doesn’t change the fact that the war is caused by Xi’s Hitler-like politics, not by Biden’s tariffs."
War is possible, there's always officers in all militarizes who want war. But China can afford to play a long game
Hitler acquired Austria and the Sudetenland without firing a shot. The public called him General Bloodless. That changed with Poland of course. And Chinese from the mainland invading Taiwan is certainly not unprecedented. Taiwan owes much of her prosperity from refugees from the Nationalists, including gold looted from the central bank. The Nationalists who fled in the other direction, to what was then called Burma, and set up shop in the heroin trade in a big way: the golden triangle, the French connection, Air America etc.
China is in the middle of a demographic and economic collapse. They couldn't fix their problems even if they had competent leadership.
Well, hence: it's not Biden's trade policy that causes a war with China, it's Xi's nationalistic and economic policies.
If that were the case, Taiwan would have been the wealthiest right after the communist revolution. In actual fact, Taiwan owes its wealth due to a highly skilled workforce and friendly economic climate.
But your views and delusions about China certainly tell us a lot about your political biases.
"They couldn’t fix their problems even if they had competent leadership."
The passage of time will sort out many of the problems and challenges they face. Hence the long game.
"it’s not Biden’s trade policy that causes a war with China"
I don't see any evidence of this war you're talking about. Selling counterfeit versions of Hollywood movies on the street is not war. War would most easily be conceived if a foreign power decides to evict China from the South China Sea.
"Taiwan owes its wealth due to a highly skilled workforce and friendly economic climate."
A highly skilled workforce composed of Nationalist refugees from the mainland, who worked diligently to destroy and supplant Taiwan's indigenous culture in a way the Japanese occupiers never attempted.
"But your views and delusions about China certainly tell us a lot about your political biases."
I appreciate that. I am open about my political biases and don't try to hide them.
Time will not sort out their demographic problems, they will make them worse. There's a good chance China will simply disintegrate within the next few decades.
The article posits that there will be a war between China and Taiwan and attributes the causes to Biden's trade policies. If there is such a war, it will be because China is run by a 21st century version of Hitler.
Good for them! My people had our indigenous culture supplanted by a powerful, civilized empire too, and we ended up a lot better because of it.
No, you certainly don't: you're a fascist, through and through.
"Globalization is almost dead and free trade is almost dead," he said. "A lot of people still wish they would come back. But I don't think they will be back."
Yes it's dead for good. The mantra of 'free trade' was not free trade at all - since GATT turned into WTO and since the US became the reserve currency (I'll say the early 90's for the former and the early 80's for the latter). It was an era of subsidies for multinationals and dollar-based financials. An era of serious headwinds for the 'Rust Belt' type exports and smaller or domestic business.
Used to be the Dems (Gephardt, etc) and Perot were the political advocates of that group facing headwinds - but their union support morphed from blue-collar into overpaid titsucking bureaucrats. So Dems ignored them - until Trump became the first Prez in decades to talk to that group without contempt dripping from him. Now Biden is doing the same thing that Trump did re China - and that will continue. All the subsidies of creating globalist just-in-time supply chains are gone and they ain't coming back.
That'll certainly piss off the political donor class to DeRp and their useful idiots at Reason/Davos. Good. Pendulums are supposed to swing when policies result in winners and losers. Not stay stuck because the winners prefer it stuck.
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I grew up and got a lot of my libertarianism from Poul Anderson and his Technic books, which basically said if you trade with people, they end up becoming dependent on it and so everyone is peaceful...
Well, China has pretty much prove that wrong. We've made them rich, we've crippled ourselves, all in the name of cheap crap sold at massive profits (in the case of iPhone) or just mid sized ones (stuff Walmart sells). We're increasingly adopting their totalitarian policies, instead of them becoming freer.
" instead of them becoming freer."
They are becoming freer. They have passports now and travel abroad. Something unheard of during the days of Mao. They also own bank accounts, cars and homes, and can start businesses.
It was predicted that for capitalism to work in China, a free press would be essential. A healthy market needs free exchange of information. This has turned out not to be true. Capitalism thrives but the government exercises, or tries to exercise, firm control over speech and thought.
My goodness! A trueman post which isn’t total bullshit!
Well, they recently have become less free; as an example, travel to Xinjiang is restricted and if you happen to be of the Uighur race/culture, you are REALLY less free. Obviously, those in Hong Kong favoring free speech ain't getting it. Xi is a Chinese Putin, not its Yeltsin: Deng, he ain’t.
But Since Mao kicked the bucket, the range of freedoms has increased geometrically, as has prosperity.
The later is largely a reflection of the truism that every free exchange improves the value held by both agents, and even Xi allows far greater free trade than Mao ever imagined. Each trade may only add some fraction of a Yuan to the RMB, but there are billions where there had been only few and those conducted in secret, trading the 'risk-costs' for the free-exchange gains.
Foreign trade probably added far less than internal trade; the Chinese took over the low-end skilled labor jobs from Japan, Taiwan and Korea as their labor rates increased. If you solicit current quotes for high-quality products, you’ll find Chinese goods are approaching US costs.
I remain skeptical regarding recent “slave” labor claims. There are reliable reports regarding political prisoners under Mao, but more recent ones seem to come from those who whine about kids working in shoe factories rather than looking at the south end of a north-bound ox trudging through the fields; reliable references to the contrary welcomed.
Regardless, Xi sucks; set back the cause of freedom on China by probably 20 cumulative years. But he will die, and Deng followed Mao.
China is becoming less free: Xi is a ruthless dictator. China is not "capitalist", nor is it "rich". And China is a demographic and economic disaster.
"China is becoming less free"
Who's telling you this? I just commented that Chinese are now able to own homes, cars and businesses, enjoy foreign travel, and that's only scratching the surface. I urge you to read up more independently, and ignore, if only for the moment, those who insist China is becoming less free.
"Xi is a ruthless dictator."
He's got a billion or so widely dispersed citizens who are determined to minimize the role of Beijing in their lives to worry about. It's conceivable that China could be provoked into war. Maybe by America as a pre-election stunt to rally support behind an uninspiring president. But I don't know. My fortune telling skills are not up to your level.
So were the citizens of Nazi Germany and many East Bloc countries.
There are plenty of independent news sources.
The question is how disconnected from reality you have to be to think that China is anything other than on a massive decline.
Let's hope they succeed and put his head on a pike.
That's like saying "Hitler was provoked into war". If Xi goes to war in Taiwan, it is Xi's responsibility and only his.
The West has every right to contain China's Navy, impose economic sanctions on China, and defend Taiwan. Doing so is not a "provocation".
Trade with China is more about their demand for our dollars than our demand for their crap. The tail is wagging the dog.
"Trade with China is more about their demand for our dollars than our demand for their crap. The tail is wagging the dog."
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Fuck off and die, asshole.
I had forgotten about those books until you reminded me - thanks! 25 March is St. Dismas' Day. (I met Poul Anderson at a Brighton Worldcon -quiet unassuming but witty, IIRC.)
Thank Teddy Roosevelt, the NY police Commissioner who shut down saloons on Sunday. As prez he began sighing drug prohibition laws in 1901. Qing China saw him as useful enough to manipulate with a boycott. His worshipful admirer and political suporter Herbert Hoover fatally accelerated the trend. In 1930 China demanded a monopoly on producing all narcotics under one roof. This would mean that any produced elsewhere would ipso facto be illegal and busted. Saaay... where DOES all this fentanyl come from, anyway?
which basically said if you trade with people, they end up becoming dependent on it and so everyone is peaceful
I believed that as a bedrock principle, too, and now am questioning my belief. But not ready to toss out the belief entirely. China, Russia, and the US all seem to be in the throws of the old guard trying desparately trying to exercise their centralized control against the pressures of modernity.
Try to be more wishy washy.
That's an ironic statement coming from you, given that "centralized control" is what you keep advocating.
Russia actually included coke sniffing, beer drinking and heroin in Vertov's 1929 "Man With A Camera" movie. Those scenes were quietly cut out. But Prohibition swung more than guns and hatchets in beer halls. Rum Row was a good place to get other drugs before Hert Hoover expanded prohibition to the whole of Versailles Europe. Only the Libertarian party has called into question the wisdom of THAT kind of prohibition. Narcotics Limitation caused the collapse of German banks in June 1931 and by the time it hit in July, German pharma was backing the Hitler socialists. Bans on competing psychedelics is a de-facto subsidy of deadly narcotics.
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If you read TR's Quing-inspired Pure Food and Drug Law of 1906, the post-Qing 1912 Hague opium convention and the 1914 Harrison Act, a pattern emerges--and WW1 from the dope glut. The Versailles Treaty and League of Nations Charter forced the Opium Convention on all signers. League recommendations early in 1929 were read in September and markets crashed as pharma was made a global planned economy opposed by Germany and Japan. If this is good, why is it unmentionable? "Our" exporting prohibition likely sparked both world wars, 1980s-1990s economic pains and todays refugee diaspora. Prohibition is trade war pure and simple.
When LLMs go rogue.
No, it's a simple random text generator.
The translator is broken and is sputtering gibberish.
In the decades since the Cold War, America has been a leading advocate for lowering barriers to trade, in part because mutually beneficial exchanges foster peace: Nations that trade with one another have an incentive not to go to war.
That's exactly what people thought in July 1914. Reality showed otherwise come August.
China has been waging economic war against the US for over 20 years. The US finally started responding under Trump. Biden is continuing this good policy.
" The US finally started responding under Trump. Biden is continuing this good policy."
The US is equipping Ukraine in a major way. If the US was serious about blocking China, they would want a Russia that is strong and friendly and a bulwark against China. Instead, Russia is weakened by war and grows more and more anti american, driven into alliance with China, Iran, and even Saudi Arabia and Israel are making motions in the same direction. NATO is looking more divided, so that doesn't bode well for American hegemony.
"China has been waging economic war against the US for over 20 years."
They steal American ideas and IP. They steal each other's a lot more if that makes you feel any better. They counterfeit everything from clothes to cigarettes to ice cream. In fairness many of these counterfeits are unauthorized products made on behalf of foreign companies, some very respectable like Luis Vuitton. The factories surreptitiously overproduce, and the counterfeits, identical to the real thing, are sold on the black market. That's not economic warfare, that's business.
"...They counterfeit everything from clothes to cigarettes to ice cream. In fairness many of these counterfeits are unauthorized products made on behalf of foreign companies,.."
And I'm sure Trueman will be amazed(!!!) at this:
Many are not "counterfeits" at all, but products produced by the Chinese manufacturing companies under contract, and sold outside of the contracted stream.
Since it violates the contractual agreement, it is illegal, but it's easy to see someone producing a Louis Vuitton purse selling for US$1,100 to about $6,000., (earning Y10/day carrying off and selling the "real thing" for a couple of hundred US$)
You can, if you wish, argue that the 'out of stream' sales represent "stolen IP", but I'm gonna argue that those who bought labor at extremely low cost for extremely profitable commodity took a chance their insurance company should have warned them about.
What's it take to 'steal' the IP for a purse FFS?
No defense of the practice (it is contractually prohibited) but as the buyer, did you assume the arbitrage would not be noticed in a 'connected' world? Are your directors that stupid?
Fire them.
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Are you happy that someone guilty of 'wrong-think', 'mean tweets' and being Donald Trump isn't POTUS, asshole?
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