No Matter What Trump Does, Evangelicals Still Love Him
What does that tell us about the state of American Christianity?

"I wrote the book because I'm hearing every day from evangelical Christians who are exhausted and almost in despair over the state of American Christianity," Russell Moore told Semafor this week of his newest volume, Losing Our Religion. "At the same time," he continued, "I get asked by non-Christians, as a man said to me as recently as yesterday- 'What the hell is wrong with you people.' An evangelical America in crisis isn't good for anybody."
Moore is editor in chief at Christianity Today—the flagship evangelical magazine, founded by Billy Graham, where I've had a column for several years and am starting a full-time role next week—and, before that, he spent years in leadership in the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest evangelical denomination. He's uniquely well-positioned to observe the exhaustion he describes among American Christians, like me, who weren't among the roughly 80 percent of white evangelical voters to back former President Donald Trump in 2016 and 2020 and who remain disconcerted that Trump drew evangelical support at all.
With another presidential election upon us, it's hardly worth asking the question: Will those evangelicals go for Trump again? Barring some major unforeseen event, we know the answer already: They will.
And that sucks! It sucks that eight years hasn't changed anything, that we're still seeing such a thorough betrayal of the values evangelicals long purported to hold, that this alignment turns on such a malformed vision of Christian engagement in politics, that it further entrenches an idolatrous civil religion, that it's such a foregone conclusion. At this point, I'm weary of even thinking about Trump and evangelicals and all that connection entails.
Yet, in a more rational mindset, I know that eight years is not really that long. I know that a culture as big—depending on how you measure, evangelicals comprise around 25 percent of the American public—and varied and important as this one can't turn on a dime.
In retrospect, the evangelical embrace of Trump, shocking as it was, had long roots. The mycelium was already there, and the mushrooms popped up once the weather was right. In the long run, that blight may yet wither.
But long-run hope doesn't help for this election, and, unfortunately, everyone has to live with electoral results of even a temporary evangelical madness. It doesn't take long for a voting bloc tens of millions strong to have significant effects, for good or ill. "When the righteous thrive, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule, the people groan." Or, as Moore observed, "An evangelical America in crisis isn't good for anybody."
Within evangelicalism, the answer is to continue efforts, like Moore's, to persuade our coreligionists that something has gone awry among us. Outside evangelicalism, though, there's something we should be doing, too: shaping our government to better weather this kind of cultural storm.
White evangelicals' fascination with Trump won't be the last time a large subset of the American public, enough to swing elections, becomes enthralled by an authoritarian, incompetent, corrupt, and/or demagogic politician. Trump is singular in some ways, yes, but he's not that special.
Throughout American history, and certainly over the last century, most politicians with a national following have fit some or all of that list of descriptors some or all of the time. Evangelicals and Trump are in the spotlight now, but soon enough it will be some other group and some other politician.
The sheer power of the office of the presidency makes it particularly likely to attract the worst of us. This is a kind and degree of authority such that any who might wield it well wouldn't dare to take it up.
The safeguard we need—as can so often be said in American political commentary—is less power on offer. That means stronger rule of law, more limited government, an executive branch trimmed to a more proportionate size, and stricter protections for individual liberties of conscience, speech, assembly, and more.
It was a common observation during Trump's first term that his short attention span and consistent incompetence were a saving grace. He often had terrible policy ideas, but he also had terrible follow-through and understanding of the American constitutional system, which in practice limited how many of his terrible ideas were actually implemented.
That was a lucky break, so far as it went, but we can't be confident our luck will hold. Trump himself would likely be more effective in implementing his policies in a second term, and future bad presidents will be more competent still.
The point of meaningful structural reforms is to render any president even more constrained than Trump turned out to be, and, crucially, to build that constraint into law rather than relying on a busy TV-watching schedule to eat up "executive time."
American politics will never be without some madness, hopefully temporary, like that of evangelicalism today. We can't avoid it. But we can better contain its chaos.
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Be the change you want to see. Don't vote for him. He only got elected because everyone collectively decided they had no other options.
Actually fucking do it you coward: Vote for a third party.
I did that in 2016. In hindsight it was a pointless gesture, no more effective at expressing disapproval than being an eligible voter who stays home.
#HaventVotedSince
No, it does have some utility. It lets potential voters know others are just as disgusted, and it lets the mainstream parties see dissent rising.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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There are none so insistent on not looking as those who refuse to understand the world is not black and white.
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You’re right.
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For his faults as a person, Trump is orders of magnitude better than Biden, or the Clintons. Given that, despite the bullshit E Jean Carroll lawsuit, Trump is not a known rapist, and the others are. With Biden molesting his own preteen daughter in the shower (by her own written admission).
And I like my odds under a Trump presidency than any of the others, or their henchmen.
The problem here is assuming, as people who dislike Trump typically do, that if he's accused of something he must be guilty of it. They assume that because their hatred of the man takes the place of any missing evidence.
There are all manner of things that Trump could do, that would lose him most of his supporters. But they'd have to be convinced he actually DID them, not just that he'd been accused of having done them.
I don't see how any rational person who has been paying attention since 2016 could not be aware that Trump gets subjected to a lot of false accusations, which the media then treat as though they were obviously true. His supporters are taking that into account.
His enemies? They actually think that stuff WAS true, because they stopped paying attention right after he was accused.
By the same token, Trump could be standing over a dead body, splattered in blood, with the still-smoking gun in his hands yelling "I did the greatest job killing him! The best!" and a certain contingent of people would be screeching from the rooftops "IT'S JUST AN ACCUSATION!" or "B-B-BUT MUH CLINTON BODY COUNT!!!"
But it would be a tiny contingent, not 60-70% of the Republican voting base.
Just because Trump said it, doesn't mean it's true. Wait, what?
I didn't realize noob was such a hard-core Trump-sucker.
The manufactured ignorance of the American people has been cultivated and groomed through democrat control of the media and a democrat agenda in schools enacted through the DoE and the teacher’s unions. Ultimately, it’s probably going o take a massive street fight to end their Marxist bullshit.
One should choose the lesser of two weevils if offered verminous biscuit in the Royal Navy.
In an American election, you have a duty to choose the least of three.
If libertarians get enough votes in certain elections it allows them to use resources otherwise spent just to get on the ballot on campaigning.
Yes how dare they support a man who is Pro-Life, religious liberty, and anti war? Come me a break dude.
TDS strikes again.
I guess reason doesn’t think reducing regulations is a big deal either.
Some I know are rather conflicted about Biden's secret police going after the Catholics.
They sort of want to cheer, but also know it's an ominous portent.
You’d think spying on people would be a thing reason cared about. We know better though.
Shorter article: "Despite character flaws, Trump still more appealing than anything the Democrats have on offer to Evangelical voters who care about policy."
Trump may be a Giant Douche, but Biden is just straight dirty Depends between two slabs of bread.
Republicans have to imagine this kind of idiocy to justify their support for him. If the hyperbolic nonsense didn't exist, neither would his support.
And you being the moronic leftist you are, you have to deny reality.
Kill your self
Trump was not “anti-war”.
He talked out of both sides of his mouth, being inconsistently conciliatory and confrontational with several potential enemies from Russia to Iran to North Korea.
Yeah, remember all those wars he started? Like WWIII with Iran?
Sure he didn't start as many (or any) as Reagan, GHW, Clinton, W and Obama, but Mike knows deep in his heart he secretly wanted to.
Trump was not “anti-war”.
Thanks for all that evidence to back up your assertion, Liarson. Counter-argument, no new wars under Trump. Rebuttal?
Dumbass lefty shit.
Probably no person ever in history was so anti-war that there wouldn't be something that would cause them to support some war. But, the record shows that Trump didn't attempt to start, or cause to start, any wars. For a juvenile narcissist, that was actually quite good of him. Credit where it's due.
You mean he wasn’t a pussy who groveled in front of our adversaries. Like a democrat would.
Donald Trump will tell you whatever you want to hear. He wraps up cruelty in phrases that sound religious. When religion is used to justify inhumanity religion has last its usefulness. Do you genuinely believe Trump never paid for an abortion? We don't know that did, but we do know how he operates with women.., fucklng pornstars while his wife was home nursing an infant.
He can't name a book of the Bible off the top of his head, claims that he does not require forgiveness from God, and demanding that US soldiers are deployed against protestors exercising their 1st amendment rights while praising dictators, He is not a godly man. He doesn't give a fuck about religion. He gives a fuck about making dimwitted, intellectually lazy Christians with a grudge the feeling that he does. There is nothing appealing about DOnald Trump other than his "take no shit" attitude. That is what motivates his base. TDS is a real syndrome. It's a parasite that makes otherwise decent people live out their anger and resentment through him. That's all. Either you support that shit or you don't.
Fuck you leftist faggot.
Open wider, bigoted clinger.
Your betters are not done shoving progress down your worthless, powerless, whining throat. Not nearly.
You get to whimper about it as much as you like, but you will continue to comply with the preferences of better Americans, who are shaping our national progress against conservatives' wishes and efforts. Getting stomped in the culture war by the liberal-libertarian mainstream has consequences for right-wingers.
Stop fucking your sister and kill yourself.
Up late commenting on the internet? Your therapy must be going well. The trauma of growing up being pummeled by bigger, stronger boys has limited your posts in the past.
Well, you certainly spout a lot of cliche democrat talking points, backed up by……. nothing.
But that’s what we expect from your kind.
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I did, she lost, by a lot, not even relevant, Jo Jorgenson. Everyone buys into left and right, red and blue and liberal and conservative. And the media doesn't help, they ignore third parties, they call them spoilers and they don't interview them or talk to them about policy.
It also doesn’t help that Jo Jorgensen was not a good candidate.
I did vote for a third party, and thus began Harry Brownes illustrious presidency.
Nobody can be everyone without me, and I voted the pro-choice LP ticket with Gary on it. Flipped for women's individual rights (https://bit.ly/3zzfhzu)
Take a bow.
I voted for GayJay and JoJo. Neither of them was a great choice, but both of them were infinitely better than the other options.
Yes grandpa, we all know you’re a pro infanticide activist. But you’re not pro female. Since roughly all of the baby murders you champion are female too.
No Matter What Trump Does, Evangelicals Still Love Him
What does that tell us about the state of American Christianity?
Just hunkering down and waiting for deep discount real estate of former Mega-Churches. 🙂
"What does that tell us about the state of American Christianity?"
It says the alternative is worse. And it ain't just Christians, agnostics and atheists are also disgusted with the alternative.
A better question is why anybody supports the addled old crook currently in the white house/
Speak for yourself.
This here Howling Atheist wants a nut-cutting of both sides of the present false binary Establishment and a new crop of voices and parties good, bad, and ugly.
The nut-cuttings may still continue, but at least if we're not stuck with the same false choices, we can get closer to the ideals of Individual Rights, Limited Government, and Free-Market Capitalism.
I am speaking for myself.
When the millions of people who vote third-party actually elect a third party candidate, then I will accept that I was wrong. Until then I will hold my nose and do the best I can.
For the immediate future, Trump is your best bet, and likely the only alternative to democrat hegemony. You can not like that all you want, but it’s a fact.
What does that say about Democrats is a better question? You all seem to be moloch worshiping cultists intent on child abuse and infant sacrifice with a mile or two of derangement to go with it. Says nothing about modern Christians when your options are devil worshiping spawn of satan or bombastic crass guy who tweets mean things to journolists.
I was going to comment on this article, but I see you've summed it up pretty tight. Carry on.
EXACTLY
They want to abort kids, or Fvck them, or chop their ducks and tits off, and separate them from any parent who objects. And make you bake the cake. And are now not only the War Party, they’re the Nuclear War Party
It was Trump who admitted on tape that he suggested to his mistress that she get an abortion after he knocked her up.
That’s exactly the same as mutilating children to increase your chances of getting laid.
Yet his Supreme Court picks ensure the overturn of the blatantly unconstitutional Roe decision.
To be fair, both "mainstream" parties are the War Party and the Nuclear War Party, based on their votes and rhetoric (at least regarding Ukraine/Russia).
In the past they would switch back and forth but it seems they've moved into full blown "Shut Up, Peasant(s)" mode.
Why don't you step back for a moment and realize those Democrats you hate so much, are your regular neighbors and coworkers.
Stop listening to propaganda that makes you hate your fellow Americans. Why don't you try that?
Conservatives are always ready to stand up and scream, "You can't tell me what to do!" at the government. If you would act like a rational, human being, you would recognize women don't want the government passing laws that affect their bodily functions. It's that simple. It's not about aborting babies. Women are furious about government over-reach. Conservatives should understand that! 25% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. Conservatives are going to cause chaos and terror because every miscarriage will have to be investigating for criminal misdeeds. Innocent women already suffering a devastating loss will have to endure a police investigation as well.
Democrats are Americans too. We are sick of hearing, "The Only Real Americans are White Christians" Democrats love democracy and freedom just as much as Conservatives. If not more, because the U.S. Constitution is the only shield we have from religious persecution from Right-Wing zealots.
Those neighbors and coworkers? I've taken the opportunity to listen to them without letting them know what I'm thinking. I've heard what they think about things, what they think about me (albeit not specifically). And it sure as hell isn't good. I've heard them switch on a dime from "protests are killing grandma" to "protests can't be interfered with" when it suits their agenda. I've heard them argue for treating people miserably and calling it "justice". I've heard them spout lines that a five year old would consider retarded and pat each other on the back about how much more enlightened they are than "the deplorables". I got the hell out of NYC because I realized specifically that I didn't want those people as my neighbors. I don't hate those former neighbors. But, I sure as hell am disgusted by them and want nothing to do with them whatsoever.
You democrats are the ones who openly admit to wanting to censor and jail anyone who disagrees. You are evil. So fuck off.
They think they’re good people though.
Good racists, good censors, and good totalitarians.
Sociopaths always delude themselves like that.
^This.
Who the fuck does
EarthGrowlJeff sock #482 think he's kidding?If you support the Democrats and you're not evil, then you're monstrously ignorant. There are no other alternatives.
Democrats are Americans too. We are sick of hearing, “The Only Real Americans are White Christians” Democrats love democracy and freedom just as much as Conservatives. If not more, because the U.S. Constitution is the only shield we have from religious persecution from Right-Wing zealots.
Then fucking act like it and stop trying to set the Verra-bedamned thing on fire!
Dems could quit trying to make electricity illegal. Republicans were suckered into prohibitionism because of lying superstition--just like Dems are suckered into trying to ban something they don't understand. We call both "The Kleptocracy"
"We are sick of hearing, “The Only Real Americans are White Christians”
Where are you hearing that? It seems to be the torturous voices in your own head.
Democrats are not Americans. They’re malignant territorial residents pushing to eliminate our constitutional republic and establish a Marxist regime with similarities to the ChiComs and the old Soviet regime. They seek to become the State Party.
And I talk to democrats around me. Nothing they have said has disabused me of that notion. Rather it has reinforced it. Best you and your fellow travelers get out now. Before things get real fucking bad for you.
There’s also the fact that the Democrat Party is blatantly attacking organized religions at every chance.
That’s definitely not something a Marxist would do. Just ask Charlie.
Well except Islam. Most Democrats prefer to keep their heads attached to their bodies.
While I can't disagree with your assessment of modern Democrats, the point remains... why would any evangelical Christian publicly embrace a man who has never, not once EVER demonstrated any Christian values? I'm an evangelical Christian and I don't get it. The last two elections have given us the three worst people who have ever run for President, and this is a pool of people that includes Barack Obama. But even if Trump is the best of those three, there's no excuse for supporting him.
He doesn’t drink or do drugs. He supports the common man. Which Christian values are you referring to? Trump doesn't claim to be perfect.
He also didn’t start any wars.
Because they're not the idiotic rubes that so many people consider them to be, and recognize that for the most part, it's a binary choice, and one of those choices wants to murder them and ban their religion, and the other is Donald Trump.
I think Trump is a boor, but compared to the opposition, I'll take it.
No Dave, it's because the other side is as evil as anything that comes from hell.
They are the party of lies, doing the bidding of the father of lies.
Trump, for all of his faults, as far as Christian values, is head, and shoulders, above anyone in the LieCheatSteal party - AKA the democrat party.
So, you voted for Joe Biden and proved to God that you are a good Christian.
Brilliant!
Obama was a coke dealer and is a long long committed Marxist. Trump may be, or at least was, a womanizer, but he’s better than any of the pool of scumbags on the democrat bench.
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Evangelicals are just voting for the candidate the least likely to want to kill them and make their faith illegal someday.
If you really want them to vote Democrat it's probably a good idea to stop making them out to be the great Satan every chance you get. The dishonest cartoon shit I've seen unhinged Democrats accuse them of is horrifying. 90% of it is flat out false.
For example, just the other day Shrike accused "Born Agains" of controlling the Supreme Court, when not one single justice is an Evangelical. He didn't pull that calumny out of thin air. It's been pushed for a long time.
Trump on the other hand may embarass them every single day of the week, but he also doesn't hate them and wish them ill, which is refreshing and novel to them.
Up until Brown, I though it was a rule that SC justices had to be Catholic or Jewish.
Gorsuch is Episcopalian, so Brown wasn't the first not-Catholic or Jew on the court recently. (Is she a Protestant or an atheist?) Kagan is Jewish, at least by ancestry, and (unusually, I think) the only Jew. The other 6 are Catholic.
That's odd, because there have only been 15 Catholic justices in the 234 years since John Jay became the first Chief Justice, and 6 of them are serving now. What happened to bring so many Catholics to the top beginning a few decades ago?
Evangelicals are just voting for the candidate the least likely to want to kill them and make their faith illegal someday.
Nope. There were and are plenty of other Republican candidates who don't want to (insert hysterical unevidenced threat here). You have to argue what made Trump specifically special to them - particularly given their outrage over the importance of character when Clinton was in office.
Nor is it enough to say, Trump will appoint good Christian judges, or that he will make America
WhiteGreat Again etc. because all those political justifications - which are not internally unreasonable - do not explain the fervour of their support for him.You've made it pretty clear already that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You don't have to underline it.
Also pretty funny that you're trying to cry racism, when you were being racist as fuck just the other day.
You're not presenting any actual argument, merely a " 'tain't so".
And you're a lying fuckwit because as you well know, but are too much of a dishonest POS to concede, I am not SPBP, and what he says cannot be laid at my door.
So fuck off.
No, you’re just a typical leftist who accuses everyone of racism because you have no real argument. It’s meaningless and tiresome.
Just like you.
It’s almost like Evangelicals aren’t the horrible theocrats you fucking cunts constantly whine about. Sorry bruv.
Federalist Society now controls the Supreme Court. You're right they aren't Evangelicals, they are worse. Christian Fundamentalist heavily influence the Federalist Society.
I remember my brother-in-law talking about Obama. He was convinced Obama was going to start rounding up White people and putting them in concentration camps. He said Obama wanted to start a race war. None of this happened, it was all fear mongering for political talking heads.
Honestly, the average Democrat just wants Evangelicals to leave them alone and stop trying to tell them how to live. Stop trying to pass laws that create 2nd class citizens.
This fear in the Evangelical community is a fear of their own making. Maybe if you would stop wanting to believe it's true than you might realize, it's not true. Maybe if you actually spoke to some Democrats, you would learn a little about your fellow Americans.
Think about this. The Salem Witch trials occurred less than a hundred years before the Constitution was drafted. That 1st Amendment was designed to prevent another Salem. It protects Christians AND Non-Christians.
Stop looking for reasons to hate your fellow Americans.
Well said.
The condition of Christianity in America makes me glad that I am Jewish.
Concern troll is concerned.
And these 2 prove the point of the OP LOL.
"these 2"
It’s Jeff samefagging.
No, you’re not really Jewish. You’re just another far left anti theist.
"Stop looking for reasons to hate your fellow Americans."
Because Der TrumpfenFuhrer TOLD us to do so?
Because tribalism is genetically programmed by sociobiology?
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been feared and resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
Stop looking for reasons to hate your fellow Americans.
I don't need to go looking, you do your best to stuff them down my throat and up my ass.
"I remember my brother-in-law talking about Obama. He was convinced Obama was going to start rounding up White people and putting them in concentration camps. He said Obama wanted to start a race war. None of this happened, it was all fear mongering for political talking heads."
No you don't Jeff. Stop inventing obviously phony analogies stuffed with tropes and stereotypes right out of a Salon article.
This is exactly what I was talking about when I said, "it’s probably a good idea to stop making them out to be the great Satan every chance you get. The dishonest cartoon shit I’ve seen unhinged Democrats accuse them of is horrifying. 90% of it is flat out false."
The complete lack of self awareness your average leftist moron shows here is staggering.
Cool story, bro.
Lol. Nobody said that “Obama was going to start rounding up white people and put them in concentration camps”. Nobody.
This is just the kind of stuff that self loathing white douchebags like yourself and SRG tell yourselves to rationalize your own hate.
You make up a story and then lament the other side not wanting to get to know you. Too funny.
I'm not remotely self-hating. As a Jew, however, I have learned from history that authoritarian evangelicals should be regarded as a threat. Your white supremacist buddies don't regard Jews as white, btw.
Eye roll...
I have never met a white supremacist.
I regard Jews as white, except for the ones who are not white. And to top it off, I don't give a fuck either way.
You seem to imply Jews are not white; I can almost hear an audible sigh of contentment from you. Why is that? Is there something wrong with whiteness, a "problem with whiteness"
maybe? It's OK to be white, though Democrats seem to disagree.
I don’t know if he’s a self loathing Jew. He’s definitely a self loathing honky.
No matter what Marxists do, no matter how they mutilate minors, no matter how many billions they throw at reducing plant food and spoiling the environment, no matter how they try to destroy the world economy …
… you idiots still blame Trump for every ill, and blame Christians, as if they are all the same, as if they all believe in a 6000 year old flat earth, as if, even if they did, those personal beliefs are somehow worse than trillions wasted on creating a woke, broke, racist society.
Fuck off, slaver. Why don't you tell us how devout a Catholic Biden is, and has been for longer than Trump?
Wow aren't Democrats just the root of all evil!
I'd really like to know how you think the people who scream about "Saving the Planet" are destroying the environment. This is one conspiracy I haven't heard yet. So do tell!
Maybe you should actually try talking to a Democrat instead of listening to conspiracies so outlandish they obviously have a be political propaganda. Maybe stop listening to media that makes you hate your fellow Americans?
Plenty of democrats post here. Most of them are ignorant shits not worth discussing issues with. You are falling into that camp.
Maybe you should look into how making solar panels requires coal to de-oxygenate the raw resource, just like making iron.
Maybe you should look into how recyclable solar panels and wind turbines aren't when their 12 year life span expires.
Maybe you should look into what backs up unreliable "power" sources like solar power and wind turbines.
Let's not forget the industrial waste products of lithium ion battery production, and the rare earth mining and processing required for the motors to run those ever so green EVs that the kids are so fond of these days.
There are no Marxists in any positions of power in the US.
Lol
The democrat party has evolved to become intrinsically Marxist. So cut the bullshit.
Where are all these mutilated minors? They are about as common as the non-existent victims of Satanic cults during that panic.
Hey, we got a denier over here.
When they become adults, they’ll start suing the fuck out of woke doctors.
How many times has he been shown proof?
"What does that tell us about the state of American Christianity?"
That it's in rough shape?
Which I already knew since so many Catholics vote for the party whose signature issue is legalizing abortion until birth. 😛
It's so strange. Conservatives are the first people to stand up and scream, "You can't tell me what to do!" at the government. You'd think they would understand opposing government over-reach.
The way the current laws are being composed, any women that has a miscarriage is going to be subjected to a police investigation. Women are terrified they are going to be falsely accused because 1 out of 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage. 25% of all pregnancies do not end in a live birth.
You'd think Conservatives would stand with women to stop government over-reach. But, Nope some people prefer to listen to political propaganda than actually Talk to women and ask their opinions on laws concerning their bodily functions.
Amusing watching you lie about your enemies while claiming victim hood. Which x studies major did you get educated in?
Idiot Studies. It was an independent studies major.
You know like half of the pro-life movement is made up of women right?
And what a lovely cherry pick. Of course when you look at the numbers by age, it tells a different story: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322634#miscarriage-rates-by-age
It’s almost like it is very individualistic or something.
Do you consider puking up discredited democrat talking points to be persuasive, and/or effective debate? All it really does is expose you as the subnormal neo Marxist drone I already knew you to be.
Given that Judaism teaches that an abortion is performed even on a woman in labor if that is necessary to save her life, I don't see what the problem is. In practice there are very few second or third trimester abortions and most are for what most people consider to be good reasons. Your "until birth" is virtue signalling of the type conservatives usually attack the left for.
Oodles and boodles (and ovum-oodles?) of evidence to show that ye are correct! See http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/#_Toc117957741 ...
(Let us now kill a fully grown oak tree in the name of preserving the "life" of an acorn!)
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From there, we see that MOLAR PREGNANCIES ARE NEVER VIABLE!!! Yet fascist assholes like (INSERT ASSHOLE-NAME HERE) want to endanger women in the Sacred Name of Unique Human DNA, which is present in a womb-slave!
From the listed source…
There are two types of molar pregnancy — complete molar pregnancy and partial molar pregnancy. In a complete molar pregnancy, the placental tissue swells and appears to form fluid-filled cysts. There is no fetus.
In a partial molar pregnancy, the placenta might have both regular and irregular tissue. There may be a fetus, but the fetus can’t survive. The fetus usually is miscarried early in the pregnancy.
Is this the new thing? “I know evangelicals support Israel, so I’ll pretend to be Jewish to shame them?
Pathetic.
99.99999999999999999999999999% chance he’s a bitter atheist.
Yeah, there isn't any prolife group around that won't advocate abortions that are medically necessary. Are you some sort of parody?
I think he’s just incredibly incredibly stupid.
Trump has not insulted them. The Democrats routinely do. Why would you vote for somebody who hates you, given that, ethically, they are not better than the one who does not seem to hate you?
Do you really think Democrats hate Evangelicals? Or are Democrats afraid Evangelicals are going to attempt to pass laws making them 2nd class citizens.
I have never seen so many misinformed people as I have seen on this site.
Try talking to a Democrat instead of listening to gossip and fear mongering.
It is very clear that conservatives want limited government except when they want to use it for force everyone to act in the way they want everyone to act. DeSantis's attempts to force Disney to stop being pro-Gay is the same kind of stuff Mussolini used to do. And of course wanting to have pregnant women die rather than have a medically necessary abortion is bloodier than even the blackshirts.
Giving porn to kids is not a right.
>>medically necessary abortion
easter bunny.
Aren't you the fucking moron that tried to tell us yesterday that the National Socialist German Workers' Party wasn't socialist?
Now you're trying to tell us that DeSantis is the second coming of a devout atheist who was rabidly pro-choice when it came to Libyans and Ethiopians.
It's like you were educated solely by reddit.
Democrats hate anyone who isn’t a leftist freak.
How many examples do you want of democrats attacking religious exemptions do you want? How many quotes about justice Amy Barret do you want from democrats?
"Do you really think Democrats hate Evangelicals?"
Yes. They seem anxious to add parents to that list.
"Or are Democrats afraid Evangelicals are going to attempt to pass laws making them 2nd class citizens."
...except it has not happened.
"I have never seen so many misinformed people as I have seen on this site."
I'm not shocked self-reflection is not a gift of yours.
Do you really think Democrats hate Evangelicals?
Yes? I've heard them speak. You can't successfully gaslight me on this, dickweed.
"Do you really think Democrats hate Evangelicals?"
With the white hot fury of a million suns.
"Or are Democrats afraid Evangelicals are going to attempt to pass laws making them 2nd class citizens."
No, but they like waving Evangelicals around as bogeymen to frighten wine moms, luvvies, the bien pensant and parveneaus.
If Democrats are afraid of that, they’re stupid AND evil.
Wow, you got a real subjugation fetish there, earthgrowl. Weird.
You democrat trash telegraph your derision and antipathy towards people of faith constantly. So really, fuck off with your democrat lies.
What does that tell us about the state of American Christianity?
That it is better off than in the aughts during Bush?
Russell Moore? Please. He's part of the David French "They're All Christofascists!" denomination.
They voted for Trump because the other choice was Clinton or Biden. They can see the hate liberal Democrats have for evangelicals, or most any practicing Christians, and wouldn’t support them for any reason.
Maybe you need to change that to; Fear, not Hate. Standing up to a bully isn't hate or persecution. It's defending their own American Rights.
Democrats are afraid Evangelical lunatics are going to start another Salem Witch trials.
Christians are the one's with the long history of burning and hanging people. So maybe look in a mirror and ask yourself who is spreading hate for their fellow Americans.
Maybe you need to change that to; Fear, not Hate. Standing up to a bully isn’t hate or persecution. It’s defending their own American Rights.
No, leftists very much hate Christianity, especially evangelicals.
Democrats are afraid Evangelical lunatics are going to start another Salem Witch trials.
Overwrought and paranoid.
Christians are the one’s with the long history of burning and hanging people. So maybe look in a mirror and ask yourself who is spreading hate for their fellow Americans.
Yeah, those megachurch christians can't wait to burn and hang people. You sound like a lunatic.
EarthGrowl. Thanks for proving my point.
Evangelicals are the one’s who started the emancipation and civil rights movements, you ignorant fuck. Wilberforce, John Brown, John Newton, John Woolman, etc.
Read Voltaire if you want to see what secular humanists thought.
So maybe look in a mirror and ask yourself who is spreading hate for their fellow Americans.
It’s totes not Democrats said the Democrst shill.
They are not sending their best.
Yes, the secular atheistic progressives types were more into removing heads by the scientific method of the guillotine.
Really? Way back in the 2016 Republican primary they had no other choice than Trump, Biden or Clinton?
I remember in 2016 a lot of bright boys on here suggested voting for Trump to sink Rand Paul.
How do you feel about that now?
Funny how the Pied Piper tactic worked.
The smart set's GOP candidate in 2016 was Jeb Bush, who was not exactly an inspired choice and smacked of aristocratic privilege. The other non-Trump candidates picked each other off until Trump had the delegate advantage, because we could not have Ted Cruz.
One of the first things you should do, in addressing a phenomenon you believe is inexplicable, is question whether you're really seeing what you're seeing. Are they actually enthusiastic about Trump? Or are they simply much more distrustful of Democrats?
The left has spent decades now demonizing people who have strong Christian beliefs. They attack the idea of prayer. Even if Trump is just going through the motions, they believe Republican political figures are less likely to ground down religious freedoms than the left. Democratic strongholds consistently tried to shut down churches during COVID, and blamed church gatherings for spreading the virus while excusing public protestors.
And I would ask also-is the white evangelical strongly for Trump, or is it just strongly conservative? Do you have polling information on how strongly Trump looks among evangelicals compared to other republican candidates?
I mean, you can claim Trump "idolatry" is a thing, but you should investigate if that's actually true, and if it's actually true among evangelicals.
I would say that the left has essentially sanctified Obama to unhealthy degrees. There's some obscene amounts of hero-worship of the Obamas. Maybe there really is a "both sides" question here.
Look how they cover for Brandon, who is personally, politically, religiously, and financially corrupt to the core
they'd leave Brandon twisting in the wind if it wouldn't bring down O too
Which argument are you going with here: both sides, or there isn’t actually a Trump personality cult?
We’re going for you are a dumb asshole.
What? Surely you have noticed the huge personality cult around Trump.
Some people want a president who doesn’t hate his own country.
Mmm mmm mmm. Barak. Hussein. Obama.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lyrics-songs-about-president-obama
How is Obama's personality cult relevant to the question of whether evangelicals have built a personality cult around Trump or not?
Goddamn you’re a stupid cunt.
Mike Laursen is definitely a stupid cunt.
We’re not going to play your game you excruciating piece of democrat cuntshit.
Cite?
https://nypost.com/2021/02/27/gold-trump-statue-on-sale-at-cpac-for-100000/
“A bizarre gold statue of former President Trump clad in sandals and waving a magic wand is currently on sale at CPAC — for anyone with a cool $100,000 to spend.”
You're anti-art now?
Liarson, lefty shit.
Is it a Hunter Biden original? If so, $100k is quite a bargain.
So should evangelical Christians vote for the man whose Supreme Court picks bring about the end of Roe vs Wade or the candidate whose party party supports abortion on demand until child birth? Should the evangelicals support the candidate that supports the right of Christians to live their lives according to their consciences or the candidate whose party demands that believes that Christians can only be Christian at home and must hide their Christianity in public? Trump is a flawed human being, as we all are, but he has shown more respect for evangelical beliefs than the Democrats who seem to go out of their way to insult Christians.
There's been some mumbling among Democrats about blurring that distinction of killing a baby after birth. Northup hinted at it, but I've been hearing more extreme stances that don't even recognize that line
Doesn’t explain the enthusiasm for the man.
He wants to save the country from Marxist creeps like you, that’s the appeal you faggot.
He definitely IS a faggot. We really don’t call him that enough.
What has been the number one issue for evangelicals for decades? Abortion and not only did President Trump appoint the SCOTUS judges that were the deciding vote to overturn Roe v Wade but he was the first POTUS to speak live at the March for Life rallies, re-instated enforcement of the Hyde Amendment and actively pursued other pro life policies.
He also supported religious liberty and stopped the federal government from trying to force religious groups such as the Little Sisters of the Poor to institute policies that they disagree with or mandating that individuals who studied medicine from being forced to learn how to perform abortion services. In other words he respected the religious beliefs of evangelicals.
So President Trump respected them and in turn they respect him.
Are you saying people vote for things they believe in?
Crazy!
Respect ain’t wearing MAGA hats, and hanging on the guy’s every word, and flying giant Trump flags from one’s pickup. There’s more going on.
It’s pretty normal
Americanhuman behavior.Movie stars, musicians/singers, athletes, and in the past 40 years or so, politicians, and nowadays “influencers”. Trump ain’t special here.
Also, adding brand recognition, etc. It all boils down to "team" affiliation. If you drive a Ford, you'll get comments from Chevy people.
Faggot, this has been explained to you, now your retarded ass is just being deliberately obtuse.
You would be better served by committing suicide.
OK, Trump sucks. I don't really disagree. But look at the alternatives. They all suck. They all have amazingly, terrifyingly terrible policy proposals, including and especially the current president. So what the fuck is the big deal about Trump? What is he going to do that is so much more awful than what Biden and the Democrats have already promised to do? I have never seen a satisfying answer to this question. The only thing that is especially different about Trump is his personality and that he doesn't care if he pisses of the political establishment.
So what the fuck is the big deal about Trump?
Trump's awfulness is of a different kind and style from the approved awfulness.
Charles Murray pointed that out back in 2016, to no avail.
I think he was making at jest at your line of thought, not agreeing.
“No Matter What Trump Does, Evangelicals Still Love Him”
The Reason take.
No matter what democrats do, they remain baby killing, Christian hating, family destroying fascists, so Evangelicals have to vote for whoever is running as a Republican; even Trump.
Everybody but Reason.
I really do wonder where the fuck they are looking for their examples of people on the right. I've seen Christians claiming Trump holds strong Christian values. I think it's clear he doesn't. The kick here is that as much as they dislike his personality he was a strong advocate for some political priorities for Christians.
Trump isn't great on most of my conservative or libertarian principles. He makes me cringe with how he speaks. Regardless of that, he made strides in correcting issues that most Republican politicians only ever pay lip-service to.
“The Reason take.”
Did you read the article. She is a writer for Christianity Today.
Well, if she calls herself a Christian.,
Sure, why not? Pelosi calls her herself a Catholic too.
Trump delivered. No one else did.
That’s the problem for reason.
Doesn’t explain the cult of personality around him.
The appeal is he doesn’t hate America.
Just accept that you’re a ducking retard who should commit suicide. That will simplify all future discussion with you.
No Matter What Trump Does, Evangelicals Still Love Him
It really isn't that difficult - Donald Trump is one of the few people prominent on the national scene who doesn't visibly hate them. The representatives of the managerial-technocratic class they see every day on the national stage, including a lot of guys a lot more morally upstanding than Donald Trump, including a lot of guys whose own thinking is a lot closer to their own, including some of their own evangelical leaders, barely hide their contempt for them. Donald Trump may be lying to them (no doubt, he is), but at least he's a guy who's not going to back to his buddies (since he's also persona non grata with the managerial-technocratic class) and make sneering comments about them.
Yeah, let's vote for the end of the spectrum that has been vocally, visibly and vociferously anti-Christian for my entire adult life.
The Republican primary hasn’t even happened yet. Why not vote for, say, Mike Pence?
Goddamn you’re a stupid faggot.
I'll assume this is a good faith question, in which case, what part of "including a lot of guys whose own thinking is a lot closer to their own, including some of their own evangelical leaders" did you not understand? When push came to shove, Mike Pence sided with Disney, a company they know is not exactly congenial to their values and outlook, over them. Pence may be a true believer (certainly more than Donald Trump), but they can see he's a true believer who'd really rather not let the hotheads sour his cordial relationship with the managerial technocracy.
What a steaming pile of shit premise.
Nobody voted Trump for Pope. He’s flawed, but sympathetic to traditional values. At least not actively hostile and threatening to them
"sympathetic to traditional values"
Boy have you been conned! Trump's entire life is the opposite of traditional values.
You’re a poor troll.
Yet he’s a million times more decent than your kind.
I've seen this "no option"/"lesser of two evils" horse shit from evangelicals and it's a lie. You could have chosen Cruz or Rubio... both men opened their campaigns with prayer. Trump got there because evangelicals chose him. And judging by the depth of intellect in the comments, you didn't read the article. The point being you have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. You do not have moral authority to preach moral issues like character, integrity in either business or marriage, military service or any of the other traditional values of the evangelical church. I refuse to respect the evangelical position on these issues. You can't preach out of both sides of your mouth. You need to look at Christ example. I believe he suffered and died for what he believed and he didn't buckle for what would have been the easy way to win. The narrow way? He didn't compromise or play politics. Let your yay be yay and your nay be nay? be not double-tongued? Donald Trump proved that 80% of evangelicals are complete hypocrites and on Tuesday when they vote none of the stuff they preach on Sunday matters. To be clear, I listened to his interview at Liberty College where he explicitly said he had never asked God for forgiveness for anything ... There is literally nothing more central to the Christian faith... and I thought there's no way the church will vote for him..... I actually thought that ... I was actually that blind to what the church has become.
Take your hypocritical faux sanctimonious moral preening elsewhere. You named yourself after a character mocking religious belief. If Donald Trump had never existed I'm pretty sure you'd be finding fault with them for some other "offense".
The hypocrites are the religous Trump supporters, and you know it. Don't pretend otherwise.
To be a hypocrite you first have to have morals you can betray.
You and your fellow leftists are safe from that charge.
The democrat party is a haven for malignant sociopaths.
Awww… you’re just upset because someone pointed out the truth. Evangelicals have zero moral authority. They threw any claim to moral judgment in the garbage when they bowed to Trump.
Evangelical sold their dignity, integrity and their very souls for political power and empty religious validation. Only the mentally ill would think Trump knows our magnificent and benevolent Cosmic Creator. Evangelicals abandoned the New Testament and adopted a heretical religion based on the old Testament with Trump as their New Messiah. They use Jesus as a mascot to retain a semblance of a claim to Christianity. But they have abandoned Christianity and now practice Trumpism.
A leftist fag says evangelicals have no morals because they didn’t vote for marxists shitheads.
Kill your self.
You’re gonna have to work a lot harder to reach shrike levels of stupid and Tony levels of abject hatred.
Am i not mocking them? Do I not sound like a person of faith? Did I not quote Jesus? I'll quote Dobbs though... "Pull the wool over your own eyes and relax in your delusions." That's what the church did. I'd be finding fault with MY people for exactly the same reason I'm finding fault with them right now. There's nothing faux about it. I've been in the SBC my whole life. The church was presented with a choice and they failed. There's no way you could read the New Testament and say that Jesus would endorse Trump.... unless you are the kind of Biblically illiterate, whoremonger that says "2" Corinthians and swears "that eye for eye thing" is your favorite verse. Again, what the church lost was their moral authority and social capital. Maybe you need another Dobbs quote.. "I don't practice what I preach, because I'm not the kind of people I preach to." No one can serve two masters and the church as a whole, and more specifically evangelicals - more specifically still, the SBC - made their choice. The church as we know it, will not recover. The SBC lost 500,000 members last year.
The church got their 30 pieces of silver, now they reap the whirlwind.
Thanks for a GREAT post!
"Pray unseen to the unseen God".
https://biblehub.com/matthew/6-6.htm
Trump and Trumpistas and Ron DeSatan and SOOO many more, pray obscenely to the obscene god of money, culture-vulture wars, POWER, and PUNISHING the supposedly unrighteous!!!
"You do not have moral authority to preach moral issues like character, integrity in either business or marriage, military service or any of the other traditional values of the evangelical church."
Actually it is very clear that White Evangelicals support cheating on your spouses, cheating in business, lying through your teeth when it benefits you, and politicizing the military. And they wonder why most Americans think they are hypocrites. It makes me glad that I am Jewish.
“Hello fellow Jews…”
Except Evangelicals aren’t a big enough voting block to be responsible for Trumps election….
As I implied above, the explanations for why evangelicals voted for him make internal political sense but you have to look elsewhere for why the fervour of their support - and it has nothing to do with genuine Christianity, and everything to do with authoritarianism, tribalism, and a fair measure of white supremacy, which is why so many right-wing posters here also support him. The person who observed that Trump hates the same people they do got closer to it than any of the responses here.
Awesome (and truthful) summary! Keep up the good work!
(Oh, and when you take grief from the troglodyte commenters here, remember, the righteous WILL be persecuted! This comes from being brave enough to, for example, making notes and comments about the intersection between tribalism and "do-gooder derogation", which is another sociobiological urge right up there alongside tribalism. For full details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/#_Toc75869273 and (to a lesser extent) http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/#_Toc117957740 ...
You’re nothing but a bot.
White supremacy? Like the belief that minorities have no hope of doing anything unless a kind lily white progressive helps them do it?
The democrats never really gave up on their slaves.
Obama beating Plugmom and Mad Mormon made him the Avatar of Black Satan. Christian nationalsocialists even ran a Wholly Bauble series with a fake Obama as The Devil.
Was that supposed to mean something?
I think he forgot to translate it.
how about you give credit to people who like church and don't want to see the godless elites tank the whole fucking thing.
"I believe in God, but I do NOT believe in ALL of His Little Helpers!"
-Said to me by an ancient old Wise Dude many years ago.
One of Sqrlsy's ancestors made a cameo appearance in the Brunswick stew at the Last Supper.
To hell with that! "5 pounds of possum in my headlights tonight!"
https://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2014/06/leroy-troy-five-pounds-of-possum.html
Also "ghost chickens in the sky" by the same... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkdci55adqk
I've been on a sell the Vatican kick all day.
You conveniently leave out the elephant in the Christian room.
Trump appointed Supreme court justices who brought about the end of Roe v Wade. This has been the primary hot button issue among the religious voters you claim to be profiling. In their minds, nothing else matters, so he has their loyalty. Period. Mic drop.
He was the first one to address the March For Life. GW certainly did not. Carter did not.
Doesn’t explain the cult of personality around him and the enthusiasm.
What explains your retardation?
People who are members of an anti-cult of personality accuse anyone who doesn't join them of being members of a cult. That's what's going on. The cultish thinking is on the part of Trump haters, not Trump voters.
Sure, that totally explains all the bros driving around my city with giant Trump flags flying from their huge, perfectly shiny pickup trucks.
Comstockism eroded support when the Republicans banned all birth control in 1873 too. They let the Klan rampage with qualified immunity to hold onto it then rigged the election when Tilden won. Reboot the 1972 LP platform. (https://bit.ly/3E5X1QZ)
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
Looks like you'fe already tried that before. libertrans.blogspot.com is the better source
If you aren't writing on how much running an economy on Biblical principles would impoverish a society, fuck no!
Next up, a thinkpiece on how Donald Trump got record-breaking votes from the black community.
Clearly, they dig white supremacy. - SRG
America has always been a global innovation leader, and Evangelicals are overjoyed to have someone they can rely upon to keep the nation on the cutting edge of Sin.
Christians should vote for Joe Biden, because FFS, if there's any group in American Politics that needs Saving...
Do you really think that most evangelicals are fervent supporters of Trump? I don't. I don't know that many evangelicals, but the ones I do know were not fervent supporters of him even though most voted for him. They did realize his many flaws but they supported his policies way more than they supported Hillary's and I suspect Biden's, but that I'm less sure about because Biden portrayed himself as a moderate.
On a more serial note, if I were a Christian (which I'm not) all I can do is do my best to put myself in the shoes of an average Christian (whatever that is). When presented with the likely options for voting, it would seem my choice is likely going to be: Literally worse than Hitler, Literally worse than Donald Trump or Literally worse than Ron DeSantis. Because the other alternatives are literally anti-Christian.
To call Joe Biden anti-Christian is one of the worst slanders ever. He is actually the most religious President since Jimmy Carter.
Part of the reason the White Evangelicals hate Biden is a latent anti-Catholic bias. Check out some Evangelical web sites some time. It is worse than their anti-Semitism (which is also a problem).
Biden is as much a catholic as you are a Jew.
"To call Joe Biden anti-Christian is one of the worst slanders ever. He is actually the most religious President since Jimmy Carter."
...as long as abiding by the actual faith means nothing compared to claiming to be religious.
A devout Christian would not protect a crack-addled son committing crimes nor deny the existence of a direct blood related grandchild.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Now that’s getting close.
If Biden is genuinely religious then his faith seems to be of the LGBTQ religion. There is almost nothing about the policies he espouses which are particularly friendly to Christianity in general, or his nominal Catholicism in specific.
People who believe in an imaginary fairy who created the world in a week, smites his enemies and aims hurricanes at gays will believe anything they're told. That's how Trump was elected
Tell us again about the raccoon dog cloth mask theory people.
What does that tell us about the state of American Christianity?
That God too needs tan makeup from a spray bottle.
CORRECT that RIGHT NOW, ye fool!!!
God Incarnate uses ORANGE makeup from a spray bottle!!!!
Why would any self-respecting Christian vote for Trump?
The same reason a self-respecting feminist would vote for (either) Clinton or Biden.
As a self-respecting Christian who voted for Trump twice and would happily vote for him again, I couldn't care less about how people who treat my religion like a punchline view me. At least Trump doesn't want to throw nuns in jail if they won't perform abortions.
Trump would throw every nun in America in a gulag and broadcast their murder on live TV if he thought it would get him in office again. Trump has allegiance to Trump and Trump only. He was a Dem when he thought it would work, a indie when he thought it would suit him better, and now a Rep because it worked finally at last. 3rd times a charm , I guess.
Biden has literally sent agents to infiltrate the Catholic Church.
Continue with your dumb lies though.
Biden has literally sent agents to infiltrate the Catholic Church.
Good, maybe they’ll finally round up the entire lot of the pedophiles and be done with them.
The main pedophile is Biden.
There are more pedos in public schools than in any church.
See? This is the mentality what scrawled Ich Liebe Adolf Hitler on walls all over Germany... in 1945! George Orwell was sent there right after the May 8-9 capitulations. The same brainwashing that moved Mosley and James Battersby moved 97% Christian altruists way more effectively. "Right-wing" means mystical fanatic. Economics based on superstition is Prohibition and The Crash. See Hitler speech of 02Feb1933: (https://bit.ly/3zmFUHA)
Weimar Germany created the Nazis.
I hope you wake the fuck up before it’s too late.
no true Kristian!
No Matter What Trump Does, Evangelicals Still Love Him
What does that tell us about the state of American Christianity?
What has Trump exactly done to turn Evangelicals off? (no proven lies please)
Supported abortion bans,
Supported freedom of religion
Supported Free speech
Supported school vouchers that keep their kids out of government indoctrination centers
Supported Israel
Not supported transitioning children
Not supported sexualizing children
Why would any Evangelical support any Democrat like Biden or Clinton that supports?
Abortion, late term abortion, partial birth abortion
Wants to transition children
Wants to sexualize children, thinks kiddie drag shows are great
Teaches secularism in schools
Says they are Christians but deny the Bible, especially St. Paul's teaching especially on homosexuality
You only have to real choices in the USA and the Evangelicals will choose bad over pure evil every time.
No Matter What Trump Does, Evangelicals Still Love Him
What does that tell us about the state of American Christianity?
What has Trump exactly done to turn Evangelicals off? (no proven lies please)
Supported abortion bans,
Supported freedom of religion
Supported Free speech
Supported school vouchers that keep their kids out of government indoctrination centers
Supported Israel
Not supported transitioning children
Not supported sexualizing children
Why would any Evangelical support any Democrat like Biden or Clinton that supports?
Abortion, late term abortion, partial birth abortion
Wants to transition children
Wants to sexualize children, thinks kiddie drag shows are great
Teaches secularism in schools
Says they are Christians but deny the Bible, especially St. Paul's teaching especially on homosexuality
Hate Israel
Attacks Evangelicals as Fascists
Seeks to censor them and their leaders
You only have to real choices in the USA and the Evangelicals will choose bad over pure evil every time.
What has Trump exactly done to turn Evangelicals off? (no proven lies please)
Not one example, but Christian evangelicals are now morally bankrupt because of Trump. LOL
Oh FFS its not that they love Trump its that they hate the other choice. When offered with only two choices you simply pick the one that offends you less. In this case that's Trump. There is no way the curent Democratic platform can be supported by Christians, so they support the only other real choice. You can support a third party but you have zero hope of winning or even effecting the outcome.
This is pretty much obvious to all of us unless you work for Reason.
Well said.
> Oh FFS its not that they love Trump
Wrong. They do love Trump. Get out of the blue coastal fringe and talk to some real Red Staters. They LOVE Trump!
Except Mormons. But Mormons are not Evangelicals. Mormons will at least hang their head in shame when they vote for the lesser evil.
Libertarian spoiler vote clout is what accidentally knocked the Dems out of the race. Trump was left standing by luck of the draw. Third party votes pack 25x the law-changing clout of Kleptocracy votes. Ignorant mystics blinker this out at their peril.
You’ll eventually get what you deserve.
Hard to say for sure. I never vote D, but I voted Johnson 2016 (hated Clinton and Trump) and Trump in 2020 (because he was the ONLY voice calling for normalcy and choice and the ONLY voice against the Burn Loot Murder bridage.
Meanwhile Reason was all "forced masks and forced injections are freedom!" while JoJo's opening gambit was to parrot the antiracist open borders nonsense.
I'm not an evangelical, but you manufacture Trump voters when all the other choices are literal psychosis.
I can't think of any significant part of Dem ideology or thought I agree with. There are some small things we agree on (colleges shouldn't base admissions on wealth, maybe - although those are almost always FAR LEFT wing institutions... hmmm...) but none of them remotely offset what their policies cost me. And it turns out I still have to live on this planet and right now the Globalist Uniparty is liteterally an existential threat to humanity, liberty, and anything resembling a life worth living. If I could Thanos snap them and their foolish followers away, I would not hesitate to do so for the good of mankind. And doing that would probably cost me at least 3 of my own living blood relatives.
So in the end ya do what ya gotta do. Doesn't mean you're happy about it but the alternative is a bunch of totalitarian KJP/KJB/JFB nut job tyrants, who make the gormless authoritarian strongman look RELATIVELY saintly (he isn't one. But that's the scale we're talking about here).
I've listened plenty to the left. I want nothing to do with their thought process or vision for the world. It sucks and I hate it with every fiber of my being. They're a bunch of screeching, reeing crybully trolls. And I hate them too. But they hated me first and treat everyone like serfs, so I've got plenty of damned good reasons.
As for both sides, yeah the Republicans (voters) are damned ignorant. But the Democrats and globalist uniparty are evil incarnate.
Yes, the lies about Trump are multiple, but it seems Trump is a devoted husband and father. His wife supports him, his kids love and support him. Has he made mistakes in the past, well if you are "without sin", go ahead and cast the first stone. I am sure Bonnie is absolutely “without sin” and has a whole pile of stones ready to go.
Wow, eyes wide shut. He is not devoted to his wife and his wife does not support him anymore.
As a card carrying agnostic, I'm always amused when atheists want to tell me what Christians (or any deists) think, in the same way I like it when Christians tell me about the moral vacuity of atheists. Neither come from a position of relevance or knowledge.
None can produce evidence that Jesus or Allah ever existed for a minute. So the entire house of cards is based on fictional assumptions. In 1929 they ran "The Godless Girl," a mystical silent movie depicting freethinkers as dangerous fanatics against whom the initiation of force was a holy jihad. The thing is viewable on the web right now.
I am an atheist who grew up in a born-again Christian family and personally witnessed the very beginnings of the current born-again Christian subculture. When I talk about born-again Christianity I am deeply knowledgeable.
You aren’t even knowledgeable about the things don’t know.
"What does that tell us about the state of American Christianity?"
It tells us that American christians, like many other "2nd rate" groups, are tired of being shit on by the leftist elite and watching the country veer towards woke totalitarianism, and are willing to support anyone willing to push back.
Those who listen to some political agenda from the pulpit, or ask politicians to urge into law the rules of one religion are lost for good. The one-time president is an agent of Satan, who has deceived too many to count.
But enough about Biden.
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> What does that tell us about the state of American Christianity?
"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?' Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers’" (Matthew 7:21-23).
Trump may not be the anti-Christ, but he sure as hell [sic] is leading a lot of people astray. It's idolatry, the worship of a philandering serial liar.
Yeah, people need to worship the woke who want to destroy their country.
Or, and see if you can follow me, those fucking theocrats cared more about policy than appearances and it is, in fact, Democrats who are willing to sell out their supposed principles for whoever the party selects for them.
Trump's party is repeating the mistakes it made adopting the KKK and clinging to prohibition and Comstock laws in 1928. Germany was crowded into a corner by US prohibitionism and Big Pharma supported Christian National Socialist demagogue Adolf Hitler as Jesus' sword. All during 1931 American Republicans weaponized superstition and hatred in line with what Germany was doing. After Hoover lost, they doubled down with collectivist Faithism.
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Democrats formed the KKK, then they formed antifa, go fuck yourself.
Democrats also supported Prohibition. There’s practically nothing that Hankie gets right historically.
We could try following the constitution.
We haven't done that in a long time.
They are mostly gullible slack-jaws.
They tend to be half-educated hayseeds, products of schools that teach absolute fucking nonsense yet are accredited by the American mainstream.
They are roundly bigoted, backward culture war casualties.
People who believe fairy tales are true tend to have lousy judgment across the board.
They can't abide modern America and all of this damned progress, reason, science, modernity, inclusiveness, and education.
Choose reason. Every time.
Choose reason. Every time. Especially over sacred ignorance, dogmatic intolerance, or childish superstition.
Choose reason. Every time. Most especially if you are older than 12 or so. By then, childhood indoctrination fades as an excuse for gullibility, ignorance, superstition, bigotry, and backwardness. By adulthood -- and this includes ostensible adulthood -- it is no excuse, not even in West Virginia, Alabama, Wyoming, or a Republican committee meeting.
Choose reason. Every time. And education, modernity, inclusiveness, science, freedom, and progress. Avoid ignorance, superstition, backwardness, ignorance, insularity, dogma, authoritarianism, and pining for "good old days" that never existed. Not 75 years ago. Not 175 years ago. Not 2,000 years ago, except in fairy tales suitable solely for small children and especially credulous adolescents.
Choose reason. Every time. Be an adult.
Or, at least, please try.
Otherwise, you could wind up an evangelical: a slack-jawed, roundly bigoted, faux libertarian, backwater, ready-for-replacement, Republican asshole.
If eugenics was still a thing, you’d be the first to be sterilized, you dumb nazi hick.
Choose reason, unless we’re talking about anyone Artie imagines he’s better than. Then it’s straight to autophagy, homophobic threats and emoting all over the place.
The people behind The Terror in France claimed to be devotees of Reason. Marxism claims to be scientific and led to most of the worst atrocities of 20th century.
A healthy skepticism towards anyone who desires to wield power is required, whatever slogans they appeal to.
Democrats:<
JFK affair with Marilyn Monroe, possibly involved in her death.
LBJ known to expose himself to women staffers.
Jimmy Carter, a moral man but mocked by his own partyfor saying he did now look at Playboy magazine because he might lust in his heart.
Gary Hart caught with his mistress on the Monkey Business
Bill Clinton, accused raped by multiple women, got a blow job in the Oval office from an intern, lied to Congress about it.
John Edwards, had a kid with his mistress but hid it by blaming it on a staffer.
Joe Biden, had an affair with Jill while his wife was still alive according to Jill’s ex, showered naked with his young daughter according to said daughter who says she was also “probably abused”, accused by multiple women of unwanted hugs and pinching their breasts when he hugged them, paws and sniffs young girls in public every chance he gets.
How can evangelicals vote for Trump?
Still a valid question. As an evangelical, one purportedly has higher standards.
In the ’90s, the Left worshipped a womanizer taken to court for sexual harassment and credibly accused of rape. The Left told the Right the personality of politicians did not matter, just what they did in their jobs and the Right was prissy for thinking otherwise. Principles do not matter, winning does.
The Left is now horrified that the Right has taken their advice to heart and landed on Trump as the expression of that change of thinking.
So, the Right has no agency or moral compass, and lets the Left tell them what to do. Got it.
No. I am saying this is the standard the Left wanted the Right to apply at the time of Bill Clinton. That the Left does not like who Evangelicals are applying that standard to now gives them no standing to complain about it. This is what they wanted, they must live with the consequences. That the Left demands the Right to have a moral compass when they do not is rank hypocrisy.
Do you understand the discussion isn’t about the Left’s standards of conduct? It is about evangelicals’ standards for themselves. (Or, if one is a believer, it is about God’s standards for evangelicals’ conduct.)
When you fight dirty, you do not get to police your opposition's morals. The point ge that this was a learned response. Maybe, the Democrats should not have been so obsessed with, say, getting the Little Sisters of the Poor to bend the knee on contraception.
So, letting the Left decide your level of morality and personal conduct.
Another thing, Trump is honest.
He's a compulsive liar and a sleazebag, but he's actually quite honest.
Moreover, the media will actually research, call out, and stop any lie that he does do.
It was actually the impeachment that convinced me. The evidence presented in the Trump impeachment was far more solid against Biden than Trump, but the media and Congress were avoiding that fact like an elephant in the room. At that point, I realized that I couldn't trust Biden or Obama either. Because the entire establishment would work to cover up blatant bribery if someone was politically popular.
On the other point, I can trust Trump because he is being watched.
That's the entire point of our system of government. No one person can be trusted. However, if everyone is watching everyone else, we can trust the system.
If Hitler held up a bible, he'd win the evangelical vote.
But he'd lose yours.
An utterly preposterous assertion. I consider myself an evangelical Christian and have not been affiliated with a political party since I began voting in 1968. Some evangelicals, like other groups, may prefer Trump over another candidate, regardless of party. How do you define an Evangelical? There is no "Evangelical Party" after all. To say Trump would retain support from "Evangelicals" if he committed murder, or other crime ("...no matter what he does") is plain stupid. It's what we call a 'Naked Conclusion', one that is made without factual basis to support it. One of the most ignorant declarations from Reason I have seen. Stupid.
You have never encountered an evangelical Christian who is a MAGA fanatic? Be honest.
You've changed the claim from the idea that evangelicals love Trump "no matter what he does" to the claim that there is some evangelical who is a MAGA fanatic -- whatever that means.
Then you ask StanLore to be "honest." That is hilarious chutzpah.
No. The article's author made the claim that evangelicals love Trump no matter what he does. I made no such claim.
I am focused on replying to StanLore's comment. Specifically the part where he said "some evangelicals ... may prefer Trump" as if they have a casual preference for Trump rather than the fanatical devotion we have actually seen.
Romans: ALL have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God. Trump is a deeply flawed individual who yet delivers the goods. Limiting the legal killing of healthy unborn human beings is a giant step forward towards fulfilling God's will.
I'm not sure why the author finds this so shocking. I mean for people who believe in virgin births and zombies it doesn't seem all that unbelievable they would fall for Trump's rhetoric. Or Biden's. Or anyone's for that matter.