Don't Censor RFK Jr.
After its spectacular screw-ups on COVID-19 "misinformation," the government shouldn't be so quick to squelch dissenting voices.

Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. appeared last week before the House Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government. The Republican majority invited Kennedy to testify about the government's campaign to suppress contrarian speech on COVID-19, vaccines, and the virus's origins; a tweet from RFK Jr. expressing doubts about vaccines had been among the first posts that the White House urged Twitter to restrict after President Joe Biden took office in January 2021.
Before Kennedy could even read his opening statement, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D–Fla.) attempted to move the panel to executive session, which would have effectively blocked the public from hearing what the witnesses had to say. When Republicans called for a vote to table the motion, all the Democratic members of the subcommittee voted no.
In short: At a hearing intended to probe bureaucrats and politicians' well-documented efforts to crack down on disfavored speech, Democrats played exactly to type. Their first impulse was not merely to express disagreement with Kennedy's views, but to stop him from uttering them in public.
Their stated objection to Kennedy was a comment he had made claiming that COVID-19 may have been ethnically targeted, remarks widely seen as anti-Semitic. Del. Stacey Plaskett (D–Virgin Islands) said that by inviting RFK Jr. to testify, Republicans "intentionally chose to elevate this rhetoric to give these harmful dangerous views a platform in the halls of the United States Congress."
Plaskett did not merely criticize Kennedy's comments. She implied that they were not protected by the First Amendment. "Free speech is not an absolute," said Plaskett at the beginning of the hearing. "The Supreme Court has stated that."
The New York Times, in its recap of the hearing, echoed these concerns:
Despite the theater, the hearing raised thorny questions about free speech in a democratic society: Is misinformation protected by the First Amendment? When is it appropriate for the federal government to seek to tamp down the spread of falsehoods?
These are not, in fact, thorny questions. Of course misinformation is protected by the First Amendment—unless it veers into defamation or fraud, both narrowly defined legal categories. The modern Supreme Court has never validated the idea that speech expressing incorrect ideas is unprotected by the Constitution; if it had, the Times' own speech rights would be in jeopardy.
Indeed, Times' own story about Kennedy's controversial remarks itself contained misinformation. Its opening paragraph described the comments in question as "a conspiracy-filled rant by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. that the Covid-19 virus was engineered to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people."
The candidate did not, in fact, straightforwardly declare that COVID-19 was "engineered to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people." He said: "There is an argument that it is ethnically targeted. COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately." He also said: "COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese." And he said: "We don't know whether it was deliberately targeted or not but there are papers out there that show the racial or ethnic differential and impact." You can see why someone would raise an eyebrow at the suggestion that the virus even might have been "deliberately targeted," but a reporter should report what the candidate actually said.
Kennedy, for what it's worth, seems to have been referring to a study by the Cleveland Clinic that found some evidence the virus's genetic makeup could theoretically make certain populations—including the Amish and Ashkenazi Jews—less receptive to it. Some scientists have disagreed with the underlying findings of the Cleveland Clinic study; moreover, the disproportionate impacts of COVID-19 are likely best explained by certain populations' overall health, age, and access to medical resources.
Kennedy's larger point was that government funding of research that creates such viruses is dangerous. In an interview on Rising, the YouTube show I co-host for The Hill, the candidate claimed that "it never entered my mind that it was engineered directly to protect Jews and injure other people."
Unfortunately, the Democrats' behavior at the hearing is part of a pattern. Far too many political leaders have urged greater censorship of contrarian COVID-19 speech, especially online.
The vast federal bureaucracy—first under Donald Trump, and then in a greatly expanded fashion under Joe Biden—pushed private tech companies to censor speech that was critical of the government's approach to the pandemic. Both the Twitter Files and Reason's own Facebook Files show that the White House, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI, and other arms of the government frequently contacted content moderators for the purpose of jawboning. These pushes for greater content moderation were not just philosophically wrong—that is, at odds with principles of free speech—but they were often wrong about the underlying facts as well.
One need not cosign everything RFK Jr. has ever said about the virus or vaccines to admit that the mainstream purveyors of pandemic-related information made grave errors of scientific judgment. For instance, The New York Times' lead coronavirus reporter, Apoorva Mandavilli, said the lab leak theory of COVID-19's origins was a "racist" falsehood, and she was in good company. The establishment media's persistent crusade to demonize lab-leak dissenters—other than a tiny number of cautiously dissenting voices—did not end until earlier this year, after multiple federal agencies finally concluded that a lab leak was more likely than natural spillover.
If leading Democratic politicians, government health experts, and mainstream media reporters engaged in some self-reflection about their own role in pandemic-era authoritarianism, they might better understand the appeal of a candidate who is running on an explicit platform of never repeating such mistakes.
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Unfortunately, the Democrats' behavior at the hearing is part of a pattern.
Starting to see the pattern, Robby? It's been blatant and obvious for a good 8 years going. Oh, and those federal bureaucrats under Trump? Many were there before Trump, and many saw him as a threat.
To think they could have written this article in 2019 but instead defended censorship under the guise of private corporations.
Pattern recognition isnt allowed by Reason
But it's ok to censor Trump and half the voters, and everyone who disputed the guvmint COVID line.
Just not RFK.
The Hair has finally decided to throw away his future cocktail party invites!
Good job.
It's July, so DC is a ghost town and no cocktail parties to be found. Come September, no one will remember Robbie stepping out of line.
Not even close.
He writes this shit so you give him credit and his work as a totalitarian progressive shill is more effective.
There are studies that have shown selective virulence - both increased and decreased - based on HLA haplogroups, some of which are "racially" based. Junior may not be an expert on anything but he's pretty typical of politicians who cherry-pick data and facts to support the narrative they're abusing at the moment. Furthermore, gain-of-function is the very definition of targeting a virus on humans. Therefor it is not at all unlikely that the process of gene splicing might - intentionally or unintentionally - target specific Human Leukocyte Antigen groups. As conspiracy theorists and Luddites go, JFK Jr is pretty run-of-the-mill and not unusually virulent.
He's also being slandered and misrepresented all over the place. For a while I thought he was some kind of nutjob on certain issues, but after actually reading what he actually said, he's really pretty grounded for the most part. His stance on vaccines is much more nuanced than he made it out to be and he wasn't trying to suggest that the virus was designed to spare Jews.
As much as I disagree with him on some economic and environmental issues, I'm starting to like the guy. Being against the covid madness and the censorship state goes a long way with me at the moment.
This essay itself is COVID disinformation. (Not misinformation. This is deliberate.) There is no evidence that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was developed by the government and in fact the evidence that it was not genetically engineered is overwhelming. The mRNA vaccines are spectacularly effective and safer than most over the counter medications. Whether the virus came from a lab leak or a wet market (we may never know) is pretty irrelevant as to how we need to counter it. And this is just the beginning of RFK Jr.'s disinformation campaign going back decades.
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If we never "find out" it’s because the Chicoms are experts at covering up “embarrassing” incidents. However in this case only you and your fellow denialists don’t know where the virus came from. The horseshoe bat virus the Wuhan virologists were performing gain of function experiments on is a 96% match to the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic virus, with the only segments not matching being the Furin cleavage site and the spike protein human ACE2 attachment site, which their own published report documents well before the pandemic. The only thing possibly arguing against that is the speculation that viruses infesting horseshoe bats hundreds of miles away from Wuhan may have passed through pangolins picking up the Furin cleavage site and the perfect lock-and-key human ACE2 mutations before infecting Wuhan Virology lab scientists early in the pandemic, which has never to this day been supported by any such evidence found in either pangolins or bats in Wuhan. So go peddle it somewhere else, we’re not buying it.
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Well in Junior's defense he never said and says he never dreamed that Covid 19 was deliberately targeted at any ethnic group. He's simply pointing out that evidence suggests a disparate impact. Which seems to be the case you're making. He also points out that in GOF deliberate ethnic targeting is within the realm of possibility. Don't know why that idea would be controversial. Finally this was not a lunatic rant. He was spitballing with a couple of people after an event.
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After its spectacular screw-ups on COVID-19 "misinformation," the government shouldn't be so quick to squelch dissenting voices.
I hope that what you really mean there is that it should be always illegal for government to squelch dissenting voices.
The US had massive censorship during WW1 and especially WW2. "Always illegal" would have meant that the Nazis would have subverted the US morale and ultimately the war effort. They might well have won and you would have been taken away to be gassed for writing what you just wrote.
This is the 2nd Godwin I saw in the wild today.
If your country can be defeated by propaganda alone, it doesn’t deserve to exist.
So Adolf almost got a spot on Mount Rushmore? I am totally not on board with that. All praise the brave censors!
Yes, the USA was all-in on fascism during the 30s and 40s. Propaganda, censorship, interning Japanese, government/corporate partnerships. It was all over the place.
This doesn't make any of that a good thing and it's not the reason the Nazis lost world war II.
Many on the Left were quite fond of Mussolini.
WWI was a completely optional war for the US and the censorship employed against the individuals and groups opposed to it, including imprisonment, is shameful conduct that you should not be defending.
Indeed. The imprisonment of Eugene V. Debbs who was running against Wilson (the intolerable) is a sad day in American history but unfortunately not the last.
The Nazis were never going to beat us for so many reasons. That you would say something so batshit ignorant truly showcases your leftist idiocy.
The US had racial segregation during WWI and WWII. We'd better start doing that again too.
There is no "except during wartime" in the 1st amendment. And no good reason to think that wartime censorship of civilians did any good.
I suppose it's no surprise that skepticism about stuff during COVID has morphed into a lovefest among the conspiracy minded.
It's what happens when the troofer lies down with the birther on that grassy knoll in Roswell.
Just admit you were fooled.
Not likely.
Pretty gutsy to claim that the conspiracy theorists are the people thought Covid originated from a Wuhan virology institute and not a Chinese farmers market 500 meters away.
500 meters? Do you mean the main campus of that lab (in Jiangxia district) 27 kilometers away? Or do you mean the other campus of that lab (in Wuchang district) that is about 14 km away but that doesn't study coronavirus? Or perhaps you don't understand the difference? Or maybe it's all that math that's just so confusing? Or perhaps you're just stupid and just babble whatever shit you hear?
You are lost.
Interesting how you redirected his point about the insanity of assigning blame to a market instead of the real culprit, to quibbling about how it was only nearby rather than next door.
There's something very wrong with you.
No the problem is that your ilk is completely fucking incapable of EVER being honest about even one fucking thing. That particular number is not some mistake. It was a number repeated ad nauseum as part of a web of lies and conspiracist propaganda. You assholes repeat it and repeat it forever and in repeating it your intent is to deceive and sell a conspiracy. Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
Not part of a story about a lab leak. But a conspiracy about the virus being bioengineered as a weapon (which is apparently not even the flu - probably not even a real disease - that's all a conspiracy too - not even worth a vaccine - but this is war by China against the US - blahblahblah).
THAT is what is being sold here by that Nazi assclown. He doesn't give a rat's shit about where the virus originated. That would require some interest in identifying what truth is. He doesn't do truth. EVER.
We’re brutally honest. While you cling to absurd delusions. But it’s tolerance that allows us to coexist with an individual, such as yourself.
You should be grateful.
And now you're making up shit about our motives to try and hide the fact that the stupid narratives you pushed turned out to be ass-covering lies by incompetent and corrupt bureaucrats.
Never change, JFree.
ass-covering lies by incompetent and corrupt bureaucrats.
Which bureaucrats? The ones 500 meters away from the market? Or the ones 27 kilometers away? Or the ones in Beijing 1100 kilometers away? Or the ones in DC 12200 kilometers away? Or the conference room in Davos 8600 kilometers away where they all hatched their plan? Or the cubicle in St Petersburg 6800 kilometers away where your 50 cents gets paid? Or maybe your hometown Faked Landing on the Moon 384000 kilometers away?
Who knows the real source.
That is why censoring people who had an opinion that it was a lab leak was wrong. It was an equally valid opinion as wet market.
It was obvious that the censorship was done with government involvement. They wanted only than their own narrative to be front and center in social media.
I'm not advocating censoring anybody. I am saying flat out that those folks here were NEVER advocating for a 'lab leak' origin. They were advocating for a purposefully engineered and a purposefully released virus. A bioweapon - not a 'leak'.
And they are using the questions about origins now to bolster their narrative about bioengineering and, essentially, an act of war by China against the US. It is all fraud and horseshit. And it is what they always do - about everything
""I am saying flat out that those folks here were NEVER advocating for a ‘lab leak’ origin. ""
Bullshit. Best I can tell, those who think it was a weapon, think the weapon leaked. I will agree that anyone who thinks this was made as a weapon and intentionally release it probably wrong. Who here has made that claim?
Whether or not it was being engineered as a weapon is not really known either. A reason I think people jump on that is the gain of function research that was being denied. Gain of function was being done. It was being bioengineered which doesn't mean it's a weapon. Bioengineering is what the lab does. The lab doesn't sit around and wait for nature to take its course. Lie about shit and people will think you have something to hide and they will fill in their own opinions.
If it was a weapon, it was a pretty shitty one.
You seem to have a problem with people's opinions being discussed in public. People can think it's a weapon all day long. I don't care. I'm not convinced.
Not related to the corona virus, but do you think the US government and probably other governments are working on weapons for biowarfare?
Obviously. And that would be the most reasonable non-conspiratorial rationale for the initial discussions by Fauci/Collins/etc re the furin cleavage and other stuff that raised suspicions. They are part of the bioweapons establishment of the US and would want to know whether weapons were being used against us.
I will agree that anyone who thinks this was made as a weapon and intentionally release it probably wrong. Who here has made that claim?
Here was that propaganda narrative back then on Tucker Carlson in mid Sep 2020. This particular one was funded by Steve Bannon and a Chinese billionaire in exile. Expounded by Li-Meng Yan (a Hong Kong virologist who basically pretended to be the Forrest Gump of coronavirus). That round was also on NY Post, etc and was presumably for the election cycle. This was not some secret. People were supposed to vote based on this stuff. I'm sure it worked because propaganda works.
Seems weird calling people who were overwhelmingly correct on every aspect of COVID, both origin and the utter uselessness of the policies in regards to it, as if they were some fringe whackjobs.
Just call us correct. Because we were.
...and you, not to be mean, were not.
Your ilk were wrong about everything. Wrong about the virus. Wrong about the excess deaths. Wrong about testing. Wrong about bashing the lack of federal govt response before Trump got serious. Wrong about bashing all criticism of the federal govt response after Trump got serious because you all were incapable of doing anything but defending Trump's brilliance. Wrong about your ilks almost complete silence about the multi-trillion spending because that meant criticizing Trump and you couldn't do that. Wrong about the vaccine. Even wrong about the thing re the lab origin that you now claim you were right about - because your narrative was exclusively about the virus as a bioweapon.
If you were right about anything then, then please link to it. If I was wrong about anything then, then please link to it. Absent that you are simply following the big lie technique - Make the lie big. Make it simple. Keep repeating it. And people will eventually believe it.
It went from the vaccine will prevent you from getting Covid, to the vaccine will prevent you from going to the hospital, to the more antibodies the better.
The corona virus is one of the viruses that make up the common cold. I knew from the beginning that any vaccine made would be more like the yearly flu shot and the effectiveness would decrease as it mutated. As evidence of this I will point out that new vaccine is bivalent. But the government lied about the effectiveness to try to get vaccine compliance. Just like it lied about masks effectiveness to get compliance. When you lie to people, even if it's a so called noble lie, you are still a liar.
The more the lies, the more belief in conspiracy.
It went from the vaccine will prevent you from getting Covid, to the vaccine will prevent you from going to the hospital, to the more antibodies the better.
No. 'It' never changed. You anti-vaxxers did in attempting to spread bigger lies.
Here's the FDA EUA release on Dec 11 2020 for the Pfizer vaccine. The Moderna one was a week later.
It is explicitly about preventing COVID19 disease - like all diseases described as a set of symptoms. Your distinction between 'preventing the disease' and 'preventing hospitalization' is entirely upside down. The 'disease' = symptoms. 'Hospitalization because of the disease' = severe symptoms. 'Death because of the disease' = really severe symptoms. Those first two are explicitly calculable from that press release. The third is not - for ethical reasons. The latter two are SUBSETS of the first - not extensions of it.
Among these participants, 18,198 received the vaccine and 18,325 received placebo. The vaccine was 95% effective in preventing COVID-19 disease among these clinical trial participants with eight COVID-19 cases in the vaccine group and 162 in the placebo group. Of these 170 COVID-19 cases, one in the vaccine group and three in the placebo group were classified as severe. At this time, data are not available to make a determination about how long the vaccine will provide protection, nor is there evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from person to person.
What is useful for the anti-vaxxer conspiracy-minded is the last two sentences. To an anti-vaxxer, when the FDA says 'data is not available', that means 'data is available but we're not going to tell you'. Therefore they (you) (anti-vaxxers) can start spreading lies and then turn later info into evidence of a conspiracy from the beginning.
Robbie is right. I read Bobby's book and have heard Junior's interpretation or the Dem platform (ban energy, legalize nothing) and was horrified by both... so what? The Grabber of Pussy alternatives are WAY WORSE! JFK was probably shot by Republicans for taking acid with Mary Pinchot Meyer (also murdered) and deciding against invading Vietnam. I would never support nor vote for a Dem/GOP looter, but this one seems less WRONG than his cohorts, and way less WRONG than the Christian National Socialist Grabbers Of Pussy the other looters have to offer. If Bobby Jr runs the LP will need a competent candidate to leverage this election as it did the 2016 contest. That means NO anarco-fascists or anarco-commies. Let the best party WIN. (http://bit.ly/3XV2fWQ)
Yeah, the ‘Gee oh Pee’ shot JFK……..
Senile old fuck.
"JFK was probably shot by Republicans for taking acid"
Makes as much sense as the horseshit JFree's been peddling.
At least Hank is obviously a nutjob. I kind of find it endearing.
Free speech is sacred - yes -
But what about when free speech directly kills people. After all you can't yell FIRE in a crowded theater, and incitement to violence IS a crime.
There ARE sensible limits on "free speech".
What if the theater IS on fire? That's probably RFK's intention -- to warn people of danger.
After all you can’t yell FIRE in a crowded theater,
Schenk was reversed by Brandenburg v. Ohio. Yes you can.
>>when free speech directly kills people
where does one purchase lethal words?
And those limits are: fraud and defamation. Which must be proven in court on a case by case basis. There are not and cannot be if free speech is to mean anything, limitations on false information. Because then you have government determining what is considered true. I hope it is obvious why that is a problem.
Even Mao Tse Dong and Joe Stalin would agree with you.
No, you shouldn't yell fire in a crowded theater but you god damn well have the right to disagree with politicians and the government as well and that includes this Covid crap.
And if someone wants to make a comment concerning the possibility of a cover up, conspiracy and lies, they also have as much right to do so.
""But what about when free speech directly kills people.""
Free speech can't kill anyone directly. It's not shouting fire that kills people. It's people that freakout, don't look around for evidence of a fire and then start trampling people out of fear just because they heard words.
It's also always worth pointing out that no court has ever determined that yelling fire in a crowded theater is illegal. Hypotheticals used in opinions are not legal precedents.
And that this was a bulls$%^ analogy from the very beginning. The case before the Supreme Court was about distributing anti-war pamphlets. That is not at all comparable to falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater. A pamphlet cannot cause an immediate panicked reaction. I've wondered whether Justice Holmes finally bowed to political pressure to endorse a clearly unconstitutional law but wrote an opinion so ridiculous as to signal that he didn't actually agree with it. If so, it didn't work.
It's also interesting that nearly everyone who quotes Holmes omits "falsely". That was misleading - the law in question did not require the pamphlets to be false, there was no adjudication that they were false, and with everything I know about how we got into and fought WWI, it would be surprising if there wasn't some embarrassing (to the Wilson administration) truth in them.
There are NO “sensible limits” on free speech, and it is not illegal to shout, “FIRE!” in a crowded theater. The only limits on “disinformation” are narrowly defined laws against slander and libel. All claims for sensible limits on free speech are based on YOU getting to define what the limits are and what ideas are forbidden, and the rest of us totally reject giving you the authority to impose those limits on us.
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RFK Jr is not my cup of tea, but he should be allowed to speak.
Donald Trump also isn't my cup of tea and should still be allowed to speak.
The woke crowd and Biden pose a threat to free speech and should be demolished through exposing the truth. Not sure RFK Jr or Trump represent truth, but do know that the woke crowd and Biden do not represent truth.
>>House Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government.
House Select Subcommittees are the weaponization of the federal government
As long as it turns against itself, I think I'm OK with it.
would that it would ...
This is something I've thought about a lot. How to get different parts of government to be more adversarial to each other. I don't think any of my ideas would work very well without a fresh start in terms of government personnel and culture.
even the ones who run up the Hill all "I'ma gonna change it!" don't.
The slow devolvement of America into a totalitarian state in front of everybody, yet people refuse to see what their own eyes are telling them because someone from the government told them not to.
The democrats are firmly in lock step with censorship, cancelling , even calling out for people to lose their jobs for the crime of bad speak. Some even suggest imprisonment.
Orwell's book, 1984 was not a guide. It was a warning. Unfortunately for the rest of us, it will become a nightmare if we do not put our foot down and say enough is enough. It may even come to blows.
"Shouldn't be so fast" implies it's OK in some circumstances, that there are others for whom censorship would be more appropriate.
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