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Discrimination

Officials Want To Ban Weight Discrimination in the Workplace

Plus: Elite colleges favor the rich, D.C. restaurants pass on new wage costs to customers, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 7.25.2023 9:30 AM

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Some lawmakers want to include weight as a protected category for employment discrimination purposes. New York City and some states are moving "to outlaw weight discrimination at work," the Wall Street Journal reports. "Signed into law in May, the New York City ban adds weight and height to the list of characteristics protected from discrimination, alongside race, gender, age, religion and sexual orientation."

Similar measures have been introduced in New Jersey and Massachusetts, and Michigan already bans weight-based employment discrimination.

Laws like this make it off-limits for companies to consider someone's weight when making employment decisions such as who to hire, promote, or let go.

Of course, in an ideal world, employers would not arbitrarily discriminate against workers or potential workers because of their body sizes. But there are some jobs for which being overweight or obese might make performing relevant duties more difficult. It's not right for the government to tell private companies they can never consider weight when making decisions about whom to employ.

The more pernicious paradox here, however, is that rules like these stand little chance of effectively ending weight discrimination (to whatever extent that it exists) while simultaneously adding a lot of landmines to the employment landscape, making room for more frivolous lawsuits, and perhaps backfiring against overweight workers.

Employers don't have to tell rejected candidates why they've been rejected and there are myriad reasons why some workers might receive promotions over others. Any employer who wants to discriminate based on weight should still have an easy enough time acting on that without consequence under anti-discrimination schemes that include weight.

Meanwhile, disgruntled employees or would-be employees who are rejected for a job, passed over for a promotion, or perceive slights from their bosses or co-workers can sue. If there's no evidence that weight-based discrimination occurred, or that management knew about weight-based hostility from colleagues, such lawsuits should be unlikely to ultimately succeed—but they can still prove a hassle and a drain on resources for employers.

And fear that overweight workers will pose legal trouble may actually lead to increased discrimination against them. Employers may worry, rightly or wrongly, that someone's weight will make it more difficult to fire or discipline them for legitimate reasons should the need arise and therefore conclude that it's easier not to hire an overweight worker in the first place.

There's evidence for this sort of unintended consequence with other sorts of anti-discrimination laws. For instance, state-level age discrimination laws that allowed for larger damage awards were associated with longer unemployment periods for older men.

Nonetheless, pushes to make weight part of anti-discrimination statutes are becoming a trend, suggests the Journal article.


FREE MINDS

Elite colleges favor the rich. A new study provides hard evidence of what everyone already knows: Elite colleges and universities are much more likely to admit rich kids, even when their standardized test scores aren't as good. The researchers also found that "children from high-income families have no admissions advantage at flagship public colleges."

The study, from researchers at Harvard University and the National Bureau of Economic Research, relied on anonymized admissions data linked to income tax records and SAT and ACT test scores. It found that "children from families in the top 1% are more than twice as likely to attend an Ivy-Plus college (Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, Duke, and Chicago) as those from middle-class families with comparable SAT/ACT scores."

"Two-thirds of this gap is due to higher admissions rates for students with comparable test scores from high-income families," explain the researchers in the paper's abstract. "The remaining third is due to differences in rates of application and matriculation."

Overall, "the high-income admissions advantage at private colleges is driven by three factors: (1) preferences for children of alumni, (2) weight placed on non-academic credentials, which tend to be stronger for students applying from private high schools that have affluent student bodies, and (3) recruitment of athletes, who tend to come from higher-income families," explains the study.

"The advantage to rich applicants varied by college," notes The New York Times:

At Dartmouth, students from the top 0.1 percent were five times as likely to attend as the average applicant with the same test score, while at M.I.T. they were no more likely to attend.

High-performing children of families earning less than $68,000 a year also had an advantage over students whose families earned more but were not ultra-rich. "An applicant with a high test score from a family earning less than $68,000 a year was also likelier than the average applicant to get in, though there were fewer applicants like this," notes the Times. "Children from middle- and upper-middle-class families—including those at public high schools in high-income neighborhoods—applied in large numbers. But they were, on an individual basis, less likely to be admitted than the richest or, to a lesser extent, poorest students with the same test scores."


FREE MARKETS

D.C. restaurants pass on new wage costs to customers, because of course. Initiative 82, passed by District of Columbia voters last year, raises the pre-tip minimum wage for tipped workers from $5.35 an hour up to $17 an hour by 2027. In response, some restaurants are starting to charge customers an "Initiative 82 fee." According to Axios, "more than 150 D.C. restaurants have adopted service fees in the wake of I-82."

One such restaurant is the D.C. Mexican joint Mi Vida. "We think that the public should see the impact of their decision," Mi Vida's Jason Berry told Axios:

You voted for this. Here's what it costs to do it. You're going to pay for it. I'm not, because you know what? I don't want to go out of business. And if I start taking 3% away from my sales everywhere I go, I'm not going to make it."

Berry—whose hospitality company Knead owns eight D.C. restaurants—also said he wouldn't open any more new restaurants in the city.

Supporters of legislation like Initiative 82 act like wages can be hiked with no other ramifications. But many restaurants are struggling to get by as is and can't eat an increase in operating costs.

"The D.C. Council passed emergency legislation earlier this year postponing I-82 increases from going into effect until May so businesses could prepare," notes Axios. "The first increase was to $6, and then $8 this month—a nearly 50% jump that jolted some to implement the new fees."


QUICK HITS

Over the last 3 decades, the US has accused every adversary country using cluster bombs of committing war crimes.

Last week, Congress voted on @RepMTG's amendment to ban Biden from sending them to Ukraine.

The establishment wings of both parties united to ensure its defeat. pic.twitter.com/RWhTPaWPgg

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) July 24, 2023

• Here's a guide to the newly proposed federal merger guidelines, from Max Gulker, senior policy analyst for Reason Foundation (which publishes this website). The guidelines "present resistance against prospective mergers far more aggressive than positions taken by authorities for decades," writes Gulker. "They presume that 'big is bad,' using simplistic measures of the number and size of firms in a market as grounds to delay and potentially block mergers."

• The IRS says it will mostly stop showing up at people's homes unannounced.

• "In 2021, when a New York art gallery debuted Hunter Biden's paintings with asking prices as high as $500,000, the White House said that Hunter Biden's team had a process for carefully vetting buyers, and that their identities were known only to the gallery, and not to Hunter Biden himself," notes Insider. But "Hunter Biden did in fact learn the identity of two buyers," and "one of those buyers is indeed someone who got a favor from the Biden White House." However, it's unclear whether this favor came before or after the art purchase.

• "Third parties in Ohio have lined up to oppose Issue 1, the state question that would make it harder for voters to amend the Ohio Constitution," reports the Sandusky Register. "The Libertarian, Green and Forward parties in Ohio all have urged their supporters to vote 'No.'"

• National Review examines "the quiet collapse of four key state Republican Parties."

• A new law in New York bans the sale of THC-infused seltzers and sodas.

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  1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

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        3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

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      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        It’s a fridge too far!

        "Please, everyone, give me my dignity. I just want to watch 'Honk If You're Horny' in peace!"

      3. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

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        1. StevenF   2 years ago

          Didn't a male, that actually identified as a male, sue Hooters a few years back because they didn't hire him for that position?

      4. Carey Allison   2 years ago (edited)

        There’s almost always a silver lining, if you look for it. If your female staffers are all gargantuan, who's going to believe you actually sexually harassed a tubbablubbah?

        1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

          “If a size 4 or smaller dress does not fit, you must acquit”

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    3. Eeyore   2 years ago

      I've seen this already. The yoga teacher sat in a chair the entire time and called out poses for an hour. Dumbest shit I've seen in a long time.

    4. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      I predict a stampede of applicants to Hooters.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        That case has already been adjudicated.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        And expect Jeffy to whine that Hooters waitresses are totally like drag queens performing with their junk hanging out in front of kids.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago (edited)

          They’re as bad as Snow White.

          Edit: And for those that are unaware of the reference, he used the Snow White analogy prior to the Hooters analogy for homosexual grooming in schools.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            What if Snow White were a bear in a trunk, dressed in a tight white t-shirt and orange shorts?

            1. R Mac   2 years ago

              I’d watch that movie.

            2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago (edited)

              On a related note, does everyone else see Jeffy as a morbidly obese twink too? Like a 400 lb. effeminate dork? And super annoying to talk to.

              Like Doofus Drake in ‘Duck Tales’. But evil, and not a duck.

      3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        "Through The Vatican?" 😉

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          "Kinky. Sign here."

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            Damn, I don't know what that says about us if we can quote Blazing Saddles from memory. 🙂

            1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

              You said rape twice...

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                "Mongo only pawn in game of life."

    5. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

      Yo Momma so fat they had to ban weight discrimination just so she could get a job.

      Yo Momma so fat that when they did, she became a full time Fork Operator.

    6. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

      Laws like this make it off-limits for companies to consider someone's weight when making employment decisions such as who to hire, promote, or let go.

      Wait until that 85 lb scrawny weak firefighter tries to rescue from the second floor! Or does this only go one way. protecting fatties but not skinnies?

    7. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

      Laws like this make it off-limits for companies to consider someone's weight when making employment decisions such as who to hire, promote, or let go.

      Wait until that 85 lb scrawny weak firefighter tries to rescue from the second floor!
      Or does this only go one way, protecting fatties but not skinnies?

  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Elite colleges and universities are much more likely to admit rich kids, even when their standardized test scores aren't as good.

    Certainly, like race discrimination, this is illegal! WHERE IS SCOTUS?

    1. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

      Rich kids parents make big donations to colleges, especially if the student is a legacy student and parents or grandparents are alumni. Colleges may be woke liberal stupid, but they are not financially stupid.

    2. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

      Rich kids parents make big donations to colleges, especially if the student is a legacy student and parents or grandparents are alumni. Colleges may be woke liberal stupid, but they are not financially stupid. College are unlikely to want to slit their own throats for diversity no matter how much the blabber about it.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    You voted for this. Here's what it costs to do it. You're going to pay for it. I'm not, because you know what? I don't want to go out of business.

    How dare this one-percenter invoke simple economics.

    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      When the servers start getting 5% or less in tips, because they just got a >200% hourly raise, I dont wanna hear about it.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        Back in 1988 when you could get a burger and a drink for $6, I was making $20/hour waiting tables across the river from DC for $2.10 in wages. The smart servers would clock out as soon as possible because tip income is estimated from hours for tax withholding and the managers wouldn't allow overtime.

        The cost of food has doubled, wages are increasing to $15 and the media is harping on 20% as the acceptable amount for tipping. All I figure is that a lot of "journalists" work in restaurants & delivery to supplement their income.

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          The tipping model for food service is great (and I generally think that tipping customs are annoying and confusing). It keeps the people who suck at the job away from it for the most part, and people who are good at it can make a very decent living.

      2. DesigNate   2 years ago

        To be fair, when this was first proposed, waiters were fucking pissed because they knew it would kneecap their actual income.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      They're doing this at Casa Bonita in Denver--regular servers get $25 an hour, team leads get $30 an hour.

      There was a big uproar when Trey and Matt eliminated the tipping for the hard salary, but what was left undiscussed was the fact that before the restauarant shut down during COVID, the servers didn't have to do much more than fetch the bar drinks, refill water and sodas, and bring out the sopapillas--the food was ordered at the cashier stand, then picked up down the line at a counter, cafeteria style. The servers might have gotten a $5 tip for all that, at best.

      1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

        Yeah, if I have to order at the counter, you're not getting tipped for anything. Not me being cruel or something, it just wouldn't even cross my mind. I ordered, I picked up my own food, why would I be tipping?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Exactly. I don't tip at places like Panera for the same reason. I order at a counter, I fill the drink myself, and I pick up the food from another counter. Yet, places like that ask for a tip at the register.

        2. Zeb   2 years ago

          Yeah, tipping is for table service.

          1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

            I’m even seeing tip jars at some retail sales places these days. It’s out of control. Plus all the charity shaming scams at grocery stores. As if I need to be held up for donations in the fucking grocery store line every time I buy something.

  4. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    However, it's unclear whether this favor came before or after the art purchase.

    Why would it matter? The White House shouldn’t be in the favor business.

    1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

      Clearly you don't understand politics. Money plays an important part in the game. Whether its local, state or national, whether its Congress, Presidency or the Courts. Money means access and access is most of the game.

      1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        Clearly you excuse any democrat. If the report was about Trump, there's no fucking way you'd be so cavalier about the White House granting "favors".

        1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

          EmOlUmEnTs

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Moderation4ever in no way indicated he was excusing Democrats.

          1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

            He was excusing the Biden crime syndicate, similar to what you and the MSM do. It's a Democrat bias, not a Biden bias. The press behaved similarly with Obama and the Clintons.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

              You are a wacky, rage-filled partisan.

              By the way, I haven’t excused the Biden Administration for anything.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                By the way, I haven’t excused the Biden Administration for anything.

                Are you normally this disingenuous, or is today just special because I can smell that bullshit half a country away, Laursen.

              2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

                "Rage filled" is a leftist dog whistle meant to discredit anyone who isn't actively participating on the Marxist animal farm.

                Get better material, sealion.

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  Tell yourself that.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    He's right. You do need better material, sealion. Yours is so old, I can smell the mold growing on it.

                  2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

                    No bitch, we’re telling YOU. You are in no position, morally, or intellectually, to lecture any of us here. It’s a mystery why you even bother to post here at all. Given the daily beatdowns handed to you over your lies, treason, and stupidity.

                    Do you really believe you’ve EVER won a debate here? You haven’t.

          2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

            FFS, you do the same thing every goddamned day here. You’re even worse than he is.

        3. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

          I have some real concerns about some of the former President's actions, but I accept that he leveraged the Presidency to line his pockets. He traveled often and stayed at hotels and resorts that he owned. In this way the US taxpayer picking up the tab paid the money to his business organization. Is it irritating, yes, but we don't dictate where the President stays, and it is all legal. It is a privilege that comes from wealth and power.

          1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

            I have some real concerns about some of the former President’s actions, but I accept that he leveraged the Presidency to line his pockets. He traveled often and stayed at hotels and resorts that he owned. In this way the US taxpayer picking up the tab paid the money to his business organization.

            Totally the same as taking bribes and granting favors.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Totally the same as taking bribes and granting favors.

              Meh, in the same ballpark.

              1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

                Meh, in the same ballpark.

                Yeah, you would say that.

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  Err, because it is true.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    Cite?

              2. damikesc   2 years ago

                Trump lost money in the WH.

                No other President did that.

                1. DesigNate   2 years ago

                  All the usual suspects actually crowed about him losing money when the tax returns were made public.

                2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  I’m sure you did extensive research to come to that conclusion. For example, I’m sure you carefully considered Thomas Jefferson’s financial history.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

                    Laursen, no President this side of WWI has lost money in the White House other than Trump. Explain that.

                  2. damikesc   2 years ago

                    I'm sure you have a nice citation of that.

                    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                      Here's one among many: "Thomas Jefferson and His Debt", Payton Carroll, Rice University:

                      https://scholarship.rice.edu/bitstream/handle/1911/99266/Carroll-Project.docx.pdf?sequence=3&isAllowed=y

                      As president, Jefferson received a generous, stable salary. The president was the highest paid individual in early America, receiving $25,000 a year in hard money, an assurance that was
                      hard to get in such an unstable economy. Jefferson, aware of his debts, but unaware of the exact financial situation he was in, could have chosen to pay off his dues with this salary, but chose to focus on what he saw as most important to the young nation. As result of the fatherly personality described earlier, he chose to invest in his estates in hopes for larger future returns and to provide for his family, present and future. He also believed it important for the head of a republican government to remain dignified. While in office, he paid out of his own pocket for such luxuries as a riding horse, a carriage, four horses for the carriage, silver and plated ware, and decorations. Jefferson also had no salary to pay for his staff and had to pay the salary of his household employees privately. In his account books, Jefferson kept record of his expenses, totaling to $33,634.84 in his first year of office. Of this, about $13,400 was from personal expenses, while $20,200 was for presidential expenses.

              3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                Mike and m43 are terrible people.

                1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

                  Are they truly human? Or bots?

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    White Mike's gotta be a real human. There is no way an AI or a bot can be that damn obtuse, disingenuous, and retarded at the same time.

                  2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

                    Not Ro-bits, but some kind of soulless flesh creatures. Certainly not human.

              4. MK Ultra   2 years ago

                It's not even close to the same sport you disingenuous hack.

          2. Zeb   2 years ago

            Didn't Trump leave office less wealthy than he entered?

          3. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

            You mean the guy who didn’t take a salary as president? How about the his precession, who used the presidency for his wife and daughters to go on extended vacation junkets around the world at the expense of million of dollars? Of course not. You just twist this into more lies about Trump.

            Obvious Marxist troll is obvious.

      2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        A Biden monarchy is acceptable to M4e.

      3. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

        Quid pro quo?

        Didn't a president get impeached over that?

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Yeah but that was to look into corruption that totally didn’t happen.

      4. Square = Circle   2 years ago

        Clearly you don’t understand politics. Money plays an important part in the game.

        Funny how that used to be an outrage.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          It’s happening, and it’s a good thing!

    2. ducksalad   2 years ago (edited)

      Bidens allowing the customer to pay later? To me that suggests a trust relationship built on previous transactions.

  5. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    More:

    Hunter Biden's gallery sold his art to a Democratic donor 'friend' who Joe Biden named to a prestigious commission

    With all the other revelations now, selling commissions seems almost like small beer.

    1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      Impeachment is off the table, Biden can do whatever he wants.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Impeachment will definitely happen. Conviction in the Senate is off the table.

        Impeachment is now SOP. From now on, any time the Presidency and House are held by different parties, the President will be impeached.

    2. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

      The Biden’s ought to just start selling random shit on Amazon for six figures.

      Or if that’s too much of a hassle, get a gold painted wheelbarrow with BIDENS written on it staged at the White House. No need to worry about security recording anyone throwing stacks of $100 bills into it.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Over the last 3 decades, the US has accused every adversary country using cluster bombs of committing war crimes.

    Last week, Congress voted on @RepMTG's amendment to ban Biden from sending them to Ukraine.

    The establishment wings of both parties united to ensure its defeat.

    Other countries weren't fighting for the Current Thing (and defense contract kickbacks).

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      I have to give props to MTG on this one. I consider the cluster bomb decision the worst of Biden's entire presidency.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        Giving away cluster bombs to be used against an enemy is worse than a presidential decree that OSHA mandate a vaccine for the first time ever. Tell me you are not a libertarian without telling me.

    2. SRG   2 years ago

      I doubt MTG is concerned over cluster bombs. I think she's just interested in self-promotion opposing anything which may harm her BFF Volodya.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        So you are cool with cluster bombs?

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Gov’na shrike isn’t cool with cluster bombs, bu Republicans are worse.

      2. DesigNate   2 years ago

        We already know you’re an authoritarian and a war monger guv, no need to keep proving it.

        1. SRG   2 years ago

          Fuck off, you lying cunt.

          1. DesigNate   2 years ago

            No, I don’t think I will, bruv.

          2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

            Apologize. You have no business’s here. And certainty have no standing to talk like that to any of our fine members of the commentariat, you stupid, mendacious cunt.

            Now fuck off and leave actual humans alone.

      3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        I still think she got it right, even if it was a stopped-clock situation.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Which is still two times more a day than you, Laursen.

  7. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

    Because ENB is a slobbering progressive on all things i read the first sentence of the restaurant story as typical proggy speak "business bad". Imagine my surprise when it's a bit more grounded in reality than that.

    1. Zeb   2 years ago

      She's been pretty consistent on economic stuff like this. She may be shallow on politics and culturally libertine, but does seem to have some libertarian instincts.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Hahahahahahahah

      2. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

        You meant libertine, not libertarian = She may be shallow on politics and culturally libertine, but does seem to have some libertarian instincts

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          No, I mean what I wrote. I agree with a lot of the criticism of Reason and ENB in particular. But they are not 100% indistinguishable from left wing progressives and it's absurd to claim that is so.

  8. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Former Reason contributor, Glenn Reynolds:

    Our society’s ‘top brains’ have gone mad — and dysfunctional politics is the result

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Since when have “top brains” been in politics?

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Not since the early 70s, after the "Watergate Babies" took office.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          "Why did the smartest man in the world just jump out of the plane with my backpack?"

  9. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    The IRS says it will mostly stop showing up at people's homes unannounced.

    A kinder, gentler IRS.

    1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      I'm sure that means they will just repossess the home first then show up to inform the resident.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Yeah, with a kinder, gentler machine gun hand.

    3. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

      What I found interesting is that part of the reason is to combat fraud. I know about IRS phone fraud scams but wondering if there have been actual in-person fraud scams.

      1. Eeyore   2 years ago

        It is all theft.

    4. Eeyore   2 years ago

      Tired of getting shot at?

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

        That actually is more or less the reason the IRS is giving.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Cite?

          1. Eeyore   2 years ago

            Maybe "fear of getting shot at" is more accurate. I haven't heard of any actual dead agents. Diversity hires carrying guns insisting you should give them money or let them inside - tempting.

            1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

              "I'm your worst nightmare—an obese Black woman with a gun."

            2. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

              Call 911 on them.

  10. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Strong criticism of our fifty-center's favorite magazine:

    Politico masculinity issue is unintended parody

    “All the essays are written by women. Every single one...
    Politico chose a cadre of feminists to sneer at the idea that men literally dying younger and younger, falling behind in schools, no longer going to college, and dropping out of society and relationships, is a bad thing.
    Girl power! It’s disgusting.”

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Forget it Jake, it's Politico

    2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

      Imagine, if you will, the extreme reaction and attention, if a Conservative journal does an entire issue on Femininity, and uses only Male authors……

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Why imagine it? The double standards and special pleading are the whole point of their ideology. There's no use in wasting effort snarking about "hypocrisy," like the center-right loves to do, since the left sees it as a keystone of their historic determinism.

    3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

      Well, despite itself, Politico did accidentally report on Oklahoma Attorney General Gentner Drummond, a real man standing bravely against a real injustice, in opposition to fellow GOPers, and possibly even The Vatican itself if they get active in this case:

      The Republican who sees ‘Christian nationalism’ seeping into public schools By JUAN PEREZ JR. 07/17/2023 10:00 AM EDT
      https://www.politico.com/newsletters/weekly-education/2023/07/17/the-republican-who-sees-christian-nationalism-seeping-into-public-schools-00106533

      — Drummond made headlines when he scrapped a legal opinion that opened the door to publicly-funded religious charter schools in Oklahoma, then repeatedly stated his office’s opposition to a school approved last month by a state board. He penned opinion pieces in the Tulsa World and The Wall Street Journal that argue the board’s vote will force Oklahoma taxpayers to support schools they might find reprehensible.

      — “There will be a day in America where Christianity is a plurality, and not a majority. That day may not come in my lifetime, but it will come in the lifetime of my children or grandchildren,” Drummond said. “We need to be careful of the establishment of laws, and rules of law, that will take what we’ve considered sacred these last 250 years and do away with it.”

  11. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Project 2025 - The Heritage Foundation and Trump plot role of fascist dictator POTUS:

    Donald J. Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.
    .
    Their plans to centralize more power in the Oval Office stretch far beyond the former president’s recent remarks that he would order a criminal investigation into his political rival, President Biden, signaling his intent to end the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence from White House political control.
    .
    Mr. Trump and his associates have a broader goal: to alter the balance of power by increasing the president’s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House, according to a review of his campaign policy proposals and interviews with people close to him.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/us/politics/trump-plans-2025.html

    Heritage? Remember uber-asshole Jim DeMint?

    Mr. Vought and Mr. McEntee are involved in Project 2025, a $22 million presidential transition operation that is preparing policies, personnel lists and transition plans to recommend to any Republican who may win the 2024 election. The transition project, the scale of which is unprecedented in conservative politics, is led by the Heritage Foundation, a think tank that has shaped the personnel and policies of Republican administrations since the Reagan presidency.

    (same NY Times link).

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      You mean trump wants to cancel student debt?

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd's been lying about Trump for years now, not once making a prediction which is anywhere close to accurate, and the TDSS-addled steaming pile of shit refuses to learn.
        Yeah, he's a pederast, but amazingly stupid besides.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Despite SCOTUS saying "you can't do that?".

    3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      broader goal: to alter the balance of power by increasing the president’s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House

      I like it. I was not a fan of Trump the first time, could see that he was the only alternative to Biden the second time, but if he is going to go full Trumptator the third time, I will gleefully play along.

      Anything to force the people to step up and vote against the swamp and get a Congress that will do their fucking job and deauthorize the entrenched bureaucracy. Trump may not be the giant douche that this country deserves, but he may be the giant douche this country needs.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        You're confirming (in a logical way) that a strongman dictator is what conservatives have always wanted.

        Since Bush/Cheney said that the US Constitution is just a "goddamn piece of paper" the Unitary Executive has been their goal.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Projection there, Soros Pedo Bushpig 2? What you've just posted is exactly how the Biden Administration is treating the Constitution.

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            And Chuck ignores that Trump did nothing of the sort.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

              If your absurdity-meter is calibrated to SPB, you are not going to get a interpretable reading on someone like me.

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

        3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

          As usual, Buttplug never read his own link beyond the first few paragraphs.

          In the middle of their invective, the Times gives away what they and Pluggo are trying to portray as a political power grab:

          “He wants to revive the practice of “impounding” funds, refusing to spend money Congress has appropriated for programs a president doesn’t like — a tactic that lawmakers banned under President Richard Nixon.

          He intends to strip employment protections from tens of thousands of career civil servants, making it easier to replace them if they are deemed obstacles to his agenda. And he plans to scour the intelligence agencies, the State Department and the defense bureaucracies to remove officials he has vilified as “the sick political class that hates our country.”

          Impounding spending and removing civil servant special protections has been a libertarian wet dream for eons.

          But here’s Buttplug and the NYT trying to gaslight us into believing it’s authoritarianism at the doorstep.

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            turd lies.

        4. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          You’re confirming (in a logical way) that a strongman dictator is what conservatives have always wanted.

          Absurdity is logic. Got it.

          In my fantasies, the strongman has much bigger hands.

          1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

            In my fantasies, the strongman has much bigger hands.

            But how do they identify?

        5. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

          You’re confirming (in a logical way) that a strongman dictator is what conservatives have always wanted.

          Maybe you have not noticed, but the Constitution vests all executive power in the President. It is not like many states where executive power is divided among several elected officials.

          All executive branch officials exercise the authority of the President of the United States. When a raw recruit in Parris Island cleans the toilets, the recruit is doing so on behalf of the President of the United States.

          Maybe if you took time off from spanking it to underage porn, you would have learned that!

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            It's not even that though. Pluggo and the NYT are pretending that somehow impounding spending and removing civil servant special protections, is impending presidential authoritarianism.

            As usual they're lying and misrepresenting.

            1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

              Authoritarianism over whom?

              In Parris island, the gunnies are quite authoritarian over the raw recruits.

              Why would be be wrong for the President to be authoritarian over these same people?

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                The "authoritarian" bit was a red herring, ginned up by the NYT to smear the ideas of impounding spending and removing civil servant special protections.

        6. Bill Dalasio   2 years ago

          I doubt I'll get an honest answer, but at least I have to post it to make the point clear to anyone reading - how is weakening the executive power of the bureaucracy, a "strongman"? Reading the proposals, they weaken executive power or at least make it accountable to the elected leadership. It seems your complaint about a dictator isn't with coercive power, per se, but that said power isn't vested with a group of unaccountable bureaucrats.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        "Anything to force the people to step up and vote against the swamp and get a Congress that will do their fucking job and deauthorize the entrenched bureaucracy. Trump may not be the giant douche that this country deserves, but he may be the giant douche this country needs."

        We've got one now and the media yawns.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          This is a play on a lefty-libertarian trope about the choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. A giant douche might be extremely unpleasant, but what we have now is the turd sandwich. Eating shit will definitely make you sick and may kill you.

          1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

            That....is quite the analogy. Very....evocative. 🙂

            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

              Wait till you hear the one about the dicks, the pussies and the assholes.

              Sometimes you need a reckless, stupid dick to stop the assholes from shitting all over the pussies and everything else.

              Draw your own conclusions as to who represents each group.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Thanks, Gary Johnston.

          2. Sevo   2 years ago

            Trump, by nearly any measure, was the best POTUS in aa century; stuff your TDS up your ass to keep your head company.

          3. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

            Hunh. I had taken it as "giant douche" meaning that the swamp needed a major cleaning out.

    4. Sevo   2 years ago

      "...Their plans to centralize more power in the Oval Office stretch far beyond the former president’s recent remarks that he would order a criminal investigation into his political rival, President Biden, signaling his intent to end the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence from White House political control..."

      If you can read that sentence and NOT see it as a complete reversal of what has happened, you have not been paying attention.
      Hint: It wasn't Biden who was "investigated".

    5. Zeb   2 years ago

      I don't like the idea of more power in the president's hands very much. But on the other hand, it's hard to argue that that power being in the hands of unelected bureaucrats at executive agencies is any better. The right answer is getting rid of 90% of federal executive agencies and their powers, which isn't going to happen. So what is better? Having it run by an elected official at least somewhat accountable to the people, or the permanent civil service careerists?

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        Yup.

      2. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

        The Constitution vests the President with all executive power- and only executive power.

        The President is to be balanced by Congress and the judiciary- not his own employees.

        Similarly, Congress is to balanced by the President, and the judiciary, not by entry-level staffers.

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          Yeah. It's amazing how many people seem to think that "checks and balances" means that people working for the executive branch should defy the president (if he's one of the bad ones).

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            It’s especially concerning when it’s a congressman, on the record, during a hearing:

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrat-congressman-melts-down-claims-doj-fbi-irs-keep-democracy-in-check-during-hunter-biden-hearing/ar-AA1e5ycf

            1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

              Those agencies keep this democracy in check

              It is democracy, and the judiciary, which is supposed to keep those agencies in check.

              It’s amazing how many people seem to think that “checks and balances” means that people working for the executive branch should defy the president (if he’s one of the bad ones).

              They would have a duty to defy the President if the executive order is unlawful (i.e, committing perjury, forging evidence, defying a court order)

              There is no right (let alone duty) to defy the President merely because the Dems and the media are having a hissy fit.

      3. R Mac   2 years ago

        You should listen to Viveke on the topic. No idea if he’d be able to pull it off, but he at least has a plan, and he’s very intelligent.

    6. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      Donald J. Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.

      Executive power is vested in the President of the United States.

      No subordinate has the constitutional authority to refuse a lawful order.

      Their plans to centralize more power in the Oval Office stretch far beyond the former president’s recent remarks that he would order a criminal investigation into his political rival, President Biden, signaling his intent to end the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence from White House political control.

      The "independent" Justice Department gave the illusion of credibility to the whole "Trump Colluded with the Russians®™ to Steal the 2016 Election" propoganda campaign.

      Mr. Trump and his associates have a broader goal: to alter the balance of power by increasing the president’s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House, according to a review of his campaign policy proposals and interviews with people close to him.

      Under the Constitution, the President has all executive power.

    7. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      When critics point out the failures of his administration, he usually deflects the blame to the "Deep State" within the Executive branch thwarting his intentions. So, it makes sense that his story this time around is "I'm not going to let the Deep State mess up my second term! I'm going to really clean up the swamp this time around! Trust me, it'll be different!"

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

        Because The Resistance didn’t openly brag under Trump? The IC wasn't actively against him?

        Mike. Are you retarded or just disingenuous?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Yes.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Cite?

      3. Bill Dalasio   2 years ago

        FFS. Do you really need me to go into all the evidence that the permanent bureaucracy carried out a campaign against Trump? It's established and documented, for heaven's sake.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          You can, but White Mike will never read any of it, and then he'll come back tomorrow claiming the same old shit. And if you keep posting it right under his fucking nose, he'll mute you for your effort.

      4. Zeb   2 years ago

        I'd say his biggest failure was failing to "drain the swamp" and address the deep state dominance of the federal government.
        There is no need for scare quotes on "deep state". The deep state is just the permanent civil service, IC and military. And they do think they ought to be running things. This is not some crazy conspiracy theory. Everyone knows how it is. There was even an excellent BBC comedy about it in the 80s.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Yes, Minister.

        2. Jerryskids   2 years ago

          There was even an excellent BBC comedy about it in the 80s.

          Technically, Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister were two different shows. While they seemed to be funny as hell, they weren't funny a damn bit, they were sad. Those shows informed my libertarian anti-government leanings. People are generally self-interested scumbags and the political/government class are the worst of all.

          1. Zeb   2 years ago

            Funny and sad are not mutually exclusive categories.

  12. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    Supporters of legislation like Initiative 82 act like wages can be hiked with no other ramifications. But many restaurants are struggling to get by as is and can't eat an increase in operating costs.

    Surprised the law didn't include a provision prohibiting restaurants from raising prices.

    1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Just wait a minute.

  13. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Some lawmakers want to include weight as a protected category for employment discrimination purpose

    Harrison Bergeron here we come.

  14. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Some lawmakers want to include weight as a protected category for employment discrimination purposes.

    All the easier to run away from Officer Joe Donut then.

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

      Unless Joe Biden subsidizes Hoverounds for all the Paul Blart Mall Cops.
      🙂

  15. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

    "Some lawmakers want to include weight as a protected category for employment discrimination purposes."

    Fast forward a few years, and the only way an employer will be able to avoid lawsuits charging discrimination (whether on hair/eye color, or any other attribute, experience, or skill-set, etc., etc.), will be to submit all applications for employment to a third-party, who will choose the future employee by lottery.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      So copy the current immigration laws?

  16. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Supporters of legislation like Initiative 82 act like wages can be hiked with no other ramifications.

    The magical thinking of liberals never ceases to amaze me. Even in the face of mountains of counterfactuals, they still press on.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The IRS says it will mostly stop showing up at people's homes unannounced.

    You're now going to get an announcement in the form of a revenuer leaning on the horn in your driveway.

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      25 hogs or a backhoe. The revenuer gets to choose.

  18. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    But "Hunter Biden did in fact learn the identity of two buyers," and "one of those buyers is indeed someone who got a favor from the Biden White House."

    I'm shocked. Absolutely shocked.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      The weird thing is nobody even questions the money funneled through the publishing/speaking industry. How many college presidents that spend thousands to hear a shit politician speak end up in these roles? Then the "6 million" Joe claims he earned from selling 300k books.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    But "Hunter Biden did in fact learn the identity of two buyers," and "one of those buyers is indeed someone who got a favor from the Biden White House."

    You know what? Why bother with this stuff.

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      This is so obvious it feels like a trap. Kind of like the Secret Service finding white powder smuggled into the West Wing and proclaiming that they have no leads.

      Distractions from the really disturbing shit that borders on unbelievable.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        “Distractions from the really disturbing shit that borders on unbelievable.”

        You mean all the emerging evidence that a bunch of the ruling class really are fucking kids, all the emerging evidence that we’re forcing the Ukraine war to cover up bioweapons labs and huge corruption, or all these athletes that have been vaccinated getting heart attacks?

  20. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Breaking omerta.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_5eef80f6-2a75-11ee-b86e-170669f07c14.html

    The U.S. House Oversight Committee announced Monday that Biden family business associate Devon Archer will testify before the committee about allegations that the presidential family engaged in an international “bribery scheme.”

    The development comes on the heels of hearings last week in which IRS whistleblowers testified that the Biden family and associates received about $17 million from Ukrainian, Romanian and Chinese entities.

    “Joe Biden lied to the American people when he said he knew nothing about his son’s business dealings,” House Oversight Committee Chair Rep. James Comer, R-Ky., said. “Evidence continues to be revealed that Joe Biden was very much involved in his family’s corrupt influence peddling schemes and he likely benefited financially. This includes deals with a corrupt Ukrainian oligarch and a CCP-linked energy company that generated millions for the Bidens and undermined American interests.”

    “It certainly appears that Joe Biden and his family put themselves first and Americans last, but corporate media and the Justice Department continue to cover up for the Bidens,” Comer said. “We look forward to speaking soon with Devon Archer about Joe Biden’s involvement in his family’s business affairs.”

    1. MK Ultra   2 years ago

      Have there been any reasons given for why he's postponed his testimony thrice?

      1. Jerryskids   2 years ago

        He's in no hurry to meet Jeffrey Epstein.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        My guess is the DoJ threatening to either give him more charges or leniency for not running charges up the chain for the big guy.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Or they’ve framed every member of his family with other crimes.

      3. SRG   2 years ago

        Thank you for using "thrice", particularly at a time when even "twice" is being replaced - many commercials now say,. "two times" rather than "twice". Any reinforcement of the gates against the barbarian hordes is welcome.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Like “mostly peaceful protests “? Or “100% safe and effective with no downsides “?

          1. SRG   2 years ago

            Oh fuck off, you unimaginative douchebag.

            1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

              LOL, you are so easy.

              1. SRG   2 years ago

                I have a thick (in the old sense) sister-in-law who once got it into her head that when she said something particularly stupid in response to something I had said, she was somehow embarrassing me. Apparently she couldn't distinguish between expressions of embarrassment and of wonder at her idiocy.

                You remind me of her. She's very well meaning, but an idiot.

        2. Super Scary   2 years ago (edited)

          Iterative numerals have roots in white supremacy, so people are trying to phase them out.

  21. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    "Third parties in Ohio have lined up to oppose Issue 1, the state question that would make it harder for voters to amend the Ohio Constitution," reports the Sandusky Register. "The Libertarian, Green and Forward parties in Ohio all have urged their supporters to vote 'No.'"

    Insane for a libertarian to be on the "no" side of this.

    Any possible amendment to the Ohio constitutional will realistically ONLY result in limiting liberty. Anyone with a brain can see that.

    1. JFree   2 years ago

      Yes. Only legislatures should be allowed to initiate changes to a constitution because they know liberty.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        it should be very hard to amend a consitution

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          But it should not be impossible. The Ohio proposal would put an end to citizen-initiated amendments.

      2. Ajsloss   2 years ago

        Doesn't stop voters from initiating a change to the constitution, it stops 50%+1 of the voters from ruling over 50%-1 of the voters. The Founding Fathers Penis Havers Slave Owners ... the entities that set up the U.S. Constitution knew why that was a good thing.

        1. JFree   2 years ago

          That's not what this does. It does require a 60% vote for both legislature-initiated and citizen-initiated referendums. But it also requires that citizen-initiated referendum (but not legislature-initiated) get signatures from 5% of registered voters in every county - and that no petition is allowed to be recirculated if the signatures are challenged.

          This referendum itself is legislature-initiated not citizen initiated. So why is the legislature specifically trying to suppress all future referendums that are citizen-initiated. And the answer is - gerrymandering reform.

          Ohio has one of the most extreme gerrymanders - despite an explicit provision in their Constitution against that. That provision says their supreme court can rule against a particular districting but doesn't have the authority to draw a new one. Their legislature redistricted into gerrymanders. R's have 2/3 of seats in both houses with roughly 55%/45% vote advantage. That was challenged and the court declared it unconstitutional. The R's chose to submit the same map - passed the legislature on a purely partisan vote - but apparently by OH constitution that means the maps are only good for one more election.

          So that is the purpose here. To eliminate all possible districting reform from outside the legislature (eg taking the decision out of the hands of a legislature). They can keep defying their supreme court until judges partisan leanings turn over - because the USSC has explicitly said it ain't gonna take partisan gerrymandering cases.

          1. JFree   2 years ago (edited)

            Turns out that constitutional provision that allows ‘unconstitutional’ maps to remain in effect for two elections – was also a constitutional referendum re districting (legislature initiated) from 2018 – following on a previous constitutional referendum re districting (legislature initiated) from 2015.

            If there is no citizen-initiated districting referendum before the 2024 election, then the OH legislature can just keep extending unconstitutional maps for two sessions at a time by its own simple majority that is exclusively partisan – forever.

            This is so transparently intended to simply eliminate all districting influence from citizens and keep an existing partisan gerrymander permanent.

      3. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Hey dumdum, the citizens cana still initiate changes. Just not woth a 50+1 vote. Dems love this to go around elected officials to office with low voter turnout special elections. But my guess is that is what you actually want.

        To me changes to a constitution should require a majority of citizens of voting ages. Even if they win by 30%, not getting enough votes kills the proposal.

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          The proposal would require signatures from 5% of registered voters in every county, and would prohibit adding signatures if not enough were valid when first submitted. That would make it virtually impossible for a citizen-initiated measure to even get on the ballot. A wealthy special interest could prevent a vote by influencing just one county, some of which have less than 10,000 residents. There will never again be a citizen-initiated amendment on the ballot in Ohio if this passes.

  22. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    New narrative from the establishment left, being soft, fat, weak people who can't resist anything, means you are ideologically correct:

    Pandemic fitness trends have gone extreme — literally

    "It appears the far right has taken advantage of pandemic at-home fitness trends to expand its decade-plus radicalization of physical mixed martial arts (MMA) and combat sports spaces."

    I first noticed this narrative start a year ago when the Guardian first suggested it. Now the idea is pushed everywhere.

    ‘Fascist fitness’: how the far right is recruiting with online gym groups

    "Anti-fascist group Hope Not Hate says extremists present self-improvement as part of wider political struggle"

    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      There aren't many areas left to whinge about, but in about every category being a "white supremacist" or "fascist" is identified with living a good and fulfilling life.

      *shoulder shrug* I guess im a fascist?

      1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        This is nothing new. The left will continue to marginalize the right until they can justify state sanctioned murder.

        "The White Supremacist Origins of Exercise"

        https://time.com/6242949/exercise-industry-white-supremacy/

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

        Wait a minute. If Leftists say that all good things are Fascist, and Fascism’s motto is:

        “Everything For The State. Nothing Against The State. Nothing Outside The State.”

        Then ergo, the Leftists are saying that all good things come from The State. Ergo, the Leftists making the claim are the real Fascists.

        Fuck Health Fascism! I say being healthy makes one a Health Partizan!

        (And I hope to be a better Health Partizan after I get out of the hospital. Rhabdomyolysis is as hard to have as it is to pronounce.)
        🙂

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          "the real Fascists"

          Is there some reason Team Blue and Team Red cannot both be real fascists?

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

            Narrator: “But the real fascist was Mike.”

            Do you ever think we'll see a "both sides" from Mike when the Democrats AREN'T caught doing something horrific?

          2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            History?

      3. Bill Dalasio   2 years ago

        I've kind of picked up on that, too.

        Leftist: Fascist white supremacy means being successful, affluent, fit, witty, having an attractive wife and terrific kids, and having strong meaningful friendships and a great family life

        Ummmm.....okay....and I don't want to be that....why?

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          It is pretty funny. The progressive left seems to be the biggest promoter of white supremacy out there and has the most good things to say about it.

        2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

          And Libertarianism means having the option for any and all of it…as long as you earn it...without asking anybody’s permission...and for your “Individual Good” and not “The Common Good.”

    2. SRG   2 years ago

      Evidently the message has not got through to others on the right:

      https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/prevalence-maps.html

      1. VinniUSMC   2 years ago

        Using your own link, I conclude that the fattest people are black or Latin American. With the fittest being Asian and then white.

        You were saying?

  23. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    National Review examines "the quiet collapse of four key state Republican Parties."

    I can't get enough of these pieces declaring one or the other main party dead or dying.

    1. JFree   2 years ago (edited)

      We don’t have two parties in many states. We have one. It just looks like two. The story about these four states – CO, MI, AZ, and MN – is pretty damn typical. States that had/have two active parties are deciding (wittingly or half-wittingly) to move to one party systems because one party is choosing to shoot itself in the nuts. They no longer want to compete in elections or appeal to voters. And certainly not win those elections with some idea of what to do next. Just get attention.

      IDK those other three – but CO is a really good example. It used to be a purple state. With a voter registration edge over both D’s and indies as recently as 2011. In 2010, the R’s nominated a moron for Gov. A well-known (and considered ‘far-right’ himself) R (Tom Tancredo) instead joined the Constitution Party and ran for Gov. The result was 51% for Hickenlooper (D); 36% for Tancredo (C); 11% for Maes (R).

      Now – 46% of voters are indie, 27% are D and 24% are R. The D’s are appealing to the indies for votes. The R’s – or more accurately the R Chair – are appealing to Colorado L’s (1% and dropping) for votes. It's a cult.

      1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

        Consider the People's Republic of NJ. Definitely a 1-party state. Phailing Phil is doing such a wonderful job.

  24. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Of course, in an ideal world, employers would not arbitrarily discriminate against workers or potential workers because of their body sizes. But there are some jobs for which being overweight or obese might make performing relevant duties more difficult.

    Yeah when those duties are "look hot for the customers while pouring drinks" it's a lot harder to do that when you are a whale.

    1. ducksalad   2 years ago (edited)

      Alright, Woodchipper, that’s enough. Your bullying and thin supremacy are about to come to a screeching halt. Justice has arrived and I swear we will make you feel it.

      For decades the other minorities kept using a narrative about competing with 50 pounds strapped to their backs. God damn them to hell for appropriating our lived experience. Can you imagine the rage those of us who really do carry around 50 (well more like 70) extra pounds, hearing their smug little story when they have no clue?

      But frankly, I don’t care about fair employment. I don’t even want to work for pitifully wasted pencil-necked bigots. Let’s jump straight to the reparations stage. I want restaurant vouchers, nice restaurants, and I want them now.

      1. MK Ultra   2 years ago

        And a free second seat during air travel. Also need more inclusive seat belts so fatties don't get embarrassed having to ask for belt extenders.

        1. ducksalad   2 years ago

          Embarrassing but I've got to admit that on the first pass my brain processed that sentence as "free second meal".

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            It what they really want.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

        So you want an America where everybody literally looks like America, with America’s size to match? ????

    2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      The correct answer is, as always, the government has no constitutional authority to tell a business who they can or can't hire.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Good luck with that in court.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Didn't SCOTUS just have something to say about that? I seem to recall it made the usual progtard suspects rage and seethe.

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            What case are you talking about?

  25. Honest Economics   2 years ago

    For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

      Unless it includes content on Government-created moral hazards for overeating, fuck no!

  26. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Just when you thought it was safe to do appliance shopping...

    https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/biden-administrations-next-target-your-water-heater

    Not satisfied to confine its green meddling to gas stoves and gas generators, the central planners in the Biden White House now want to raise the price of water heaters by imposing new technology requirements on manufacturers.

    On Friday, the unconstitutional Department of Energy proposed new energy-efficiency standards that would require electric water heaters to come equipped with heat pump technology, and gas heaters to use condensing technology. The standards would take effect in 2029.

    "Leave us alone," tweeted Republican Rep. Thomas Massie, an engineer with two degrees from MIT who's entirely removed his Kentucky ranch from the power grid and regularly shares his clever innovations online.

    "These products already exist in the free market. Consumers should decide whether the upfront cost of a heat-pump water heater is worth the possible long term savings. In many cases, the monthly savings never make up for the upfront cost of the equipment," he added.

    And with a fascist/corporatist component.

    "Rheem has been part of a broad coalition to offer important recommendations to inform the development of the new proposed standards," said Rheem SVP Greg Miller. Of course, as an industry heavyweight accounting for about a third of the residential market, Atlanta-based Rheem stands to benefit from regulations that would force smaller, weaker competitors to spend money on R&D to meet Washington's new command.

    1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      With air to water heat pumps, there is the problem that they do not work well at ambient temperature below 40F, so they do not work well in cold climates. There are low ambient models, but they are rather expensive.

      1. rbike   2 years ago

        Umm, mine is working in Iowa down to 10 degrees f. They claim 5degrees f but I did not risk that. Had less than two weeks of gas operation here in Middle Iowa. My utility bill dropped $30 or so. In less than 23 years, it will pay for itself. Wait, that can't be right. I guess I have to hope for a big rise in gas prices and I will be all set. Did need a new unit and furnace anyway. I do not recommend that you install it yourself.

        1. Minadin   2 years ago

          Recommended replacement cycle for residential water heaters is ~15 years or so.

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            I just replaced my 24-year-old water heater. Guess I got my money's worth.

            1. Minadin   2 years ago

              Most people don't maintain them properly, especially in multi-family (rental) properties.

    2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Sounds like Government want to force taxpayers to give a Rheem job if you ask me.

    3. Minadin   2 years ago

      My favorite part of the Energy Star standards is the section on Noise Pollution.

      You can have the world's most efficient dishwasher or AC condenser unit or Fridge, but if it runs above a certain decibel level, it fails the certification.

  27. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    10% for the Big Guy.

    Biden’s narrative on never discussing business deals with Hunter continues to crumble

    "Hunter Biden's longtime business partner to testify then-Vice President Joe Biden frequently sat in on business calls with son"

  28. jherring1975   2 years ago

    If you want to see weight based discrimination on a small scale, try the department of transportation. Truck drivers in particular have a higher than average incidence of obesity and the DOT has been using that for years to penalize them and force them into expensive and pointless medical requirements. I have no doubt someone in the CPAP industry bribed them to find an excuse to get every truck driver to have to use a CPAP machine whether it serves any medical benefit or not. And if it does not you can rest assured insurance does not want to pay for it!

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      "Weight-based discrimination on a small scale..." I see what you did there...
      🙂

      Seriously, though, evidently, it's as if everybody can be as unhealthy as they want without consequence except for the people who carry the whole economy on their shoulders. Can't keep the EBT/WIC/SSI crowd waiting!

      "All Animals Are Equal, But Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others."

  29. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Masking away humanity.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/every-mask-nail-coffin-humanity

    There are two types of “non-compliers,” one complies from a place of ignorance, a place of succumbing to authority because that is the “right thing to do.” The other complies when they know the truth but comply because it is just too much trouble not to, doesn’t want to make a scene, and knows at this point that one person standing up and facing the consequences isn’t going to amount to a hill of beans. In other words, being a coward.

    Heard that one before, eh? One might ask, “which is worse?”

    Complying with mask wearing, if you are doing so because you are afraid of a ghost virus, or of authority that will punish you if you don’t wear one, is being compliant to a lie. That is why it is not a choice. People believe they are wearing masks because it is their right to choose to wear one. But their decision to wear one as their choice, is based on a lie. Any decision based on a lie is false, it is wrong, and it is a nail in the coffin of humanity.

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      Think about the foolishness of people being masked in their own cars. The mask is the ultimate symbol of submission to the state. Big Brother's smile will be enough for all of us.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Big Brother is always trying to suppress our ability to communicate with each other. Masking suppresses language and non-verbal communication development in children, and interferes with intelligibility among adults.

  30. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Going high-tech to deter shoplifting.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/desperate-sf-grocery-stores-turn-high-tech-upgrade-combat-theft

    Whereas many businesses have already adopted some sort of a receipt checkout before leaving the store’s premises, certain Safeway stores in San Francisco are adding a high-tech wrinkle to that established practice, according to KPIX-TV.

    In short, these new checkouts in San Francisco have replaced the elderly lady who glances at a customer’s receipt with a physical gate that won’t open until a receipt is scanned.

    Despite those potential annoyances, local customers at these Safeways (KPIX notes that two locations in San Francisco that have adopted these sliding gates) all appear to be for it — because anything appears to be better than the crime wave that has the city in its clutches.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      I for one, enjoy being treated like a common criminal when I go shopping.
      The presumption of guilt is awesome, like living in prison.

      1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        So, sorta like flying out of any airport.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          "l think you've got the situation pegged."

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Pro Tip: In all the stores and warehouse clubs I've seen and been in, it is only for objects outside the bag that the greeter asks for the receipt, and the poor door greeters are hardly like the Patrick McGoohan warden from Escape From Alcatraz.

        The automated gated checkouts are the logical reply to all the Attilas who won't let anyone have nice things and all the Karens and Chads who give retail workers shit for trying in some awkward way to secure inventory, keep prices down, and hold back the looting hoards.

        Perhaps brick-and-mortar stores could go back to the Mr. Drucker model where the customer orders at the counter and Mr. Drucker or Arnold Ziffel The Pig goes to the back to get the desired wares.

        Though really, I don't think even CrunchyCon/TradCon types would go for that without bitching.

      3. markm23   2 years ago

        If you live in San Francisco, you probably are guilty - of voting for "woke" socialists that don't believe in private property, nor in jailing criminals of a certain color. Enjoy the world you helped create.

    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      They could go with curbside pickup only. But I would hazard a guess that the unions would take advantage of that.

  31. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Researchers condemn rise of ‘fascist ideologues’ after students send mocking responses to LGBTQ survey

    Academic researchers condemned students’ irreverent and offensive responses to an LGBTQ survey, claiming the pushback indicates “fascist ideologues” are “living ‘inside the house’ of engineering and computer science.”

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      In an article for the Bulletin of Applied Transgender Studies, academics from Oregon State University wrote about their shock at receiving sarcasm and mockery in response to their research into undergraduate LGBTQ students studying in STEM fields.

      Students of science feel compelled to reject Science! There may yet be hope.

    2. Super Scary   2 years ago

      ""One respondent claimed to identify as a gift card as their gender. Under racial and ethnic identities they said, “I’m an ethnic gift card,” and for disability, the answer was “I don’t have enough gift cards.”"

      What a bunch of fascist nazi chud fucks. I can't believe it.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        The research team declared that the mockery they received “had a profound impact on morale and mental health,” particularly for one transgender researcher who was “already in therapy for anxiety and depression regarding online anti-trans rhetoric.”

        The paper claimed that “managing the study’s data collection caused significant personal distress, and time had to be taken off the project to heal from traumatic harm” of having to read students’ responses in the survey.

        The scholars concluded the “malicious responses” indicate that fascism has become a common ideology in engineering and computer science academia.

        Did these researchers learn nothing as children? Running to tell on the kid that called you a "sissy little fag" is only going to reinforce them calling you a "sissy little fag". To be clear, I use "them" to signify plurality, not ambiguity. Even little girls would call these snowflakes "sissy little fags".

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          Boomers: the cloud from which snowflakes fall.

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

      The beat part to me was the social scientists who designed an experiment. Then when they didn't get answers they wanted, used the answers to prop up a new "experiment" using data not designed for the experiment. They will likely get published even though this violates all norms of experimentation.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        The paper has already been published.

        https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/2/1-2/4/

  32. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Political Backlash Is Upsetting Corporate Enthusiasm for ESG, DEI, Survey Suggests

    "Interestingly, survey respondents perceived C-suite commitment to CSR as higher than its commitment to ESG. In contrast, they perceived the C-suite’s understanding of the ESG strategy to be slightly higher than its understanding of the CSR strategy. The ongoing political backlash against ESG may have influenced these results."

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      oh no

  33. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    ‘Barbie’ breaks box-office records while crushing right-wing outrage
    .
    Voices on the right have been calling for a boycott of the new “Barbie” film because to them it’s everything from being “woke“ to somehow “brainwashing” young girls with “Chinese propaganda,” as GOP Sen. Ted Cruz put it. But they just learned they are no match for the Mattel doll. Barbie — metaphorically speaking — drove her pink Dreamcamper right over these critics, breaking box-office records.
    .
    In early July, some Republican lawmakers declared a “war on … Barbie” — as Politico put it — over a childlike drawing of a world map they claimed was designed to appease China. Rep. Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin, who leads a select House panel focused on countering China’s influence, asserted the map — which he described as “cartoonish, crayon-scribbled” — appeared to support Beijing’s territorial claims to a contested portion of the South China Sea. Cruz also weighed in with the comments about Chinese propaganda.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/23/opinions/barbie-movie-right-wing-opposition-obeidallah/index.html

    Barbie is a libertarian. Who knew?

    Director Greta Gerwig delivers a feminist, libertarian and intelligent version of Barbie, breaking the codes and stereotypes surrounding the world’s most famous doll. And to do so, she has drawn inspiration from a variety of sources. Let’s find out together.

    BY APOLLINE PRULHIERE (Luxus Magazine)

    (extremely hot libertarian female)

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      Fox News has repeated attacks on the film over everything from “wokeness” to inclusivity. One such segment amplified the call against “Barbie” coming from Movieguide, a Christian movie review site, that read, “Warning: Don’t take your daughter to Barbie.” The segment criticized the film for the inclusion of a transgender performer (actor Hari Nef) and for presenting “LGBTQ stories.”
      .
      Fox News host Rachel Campos-Duffy — with a chyron that read “Barbie gets woke makeover” — complained that “the left has given Barbie a complete feminist makeover,” dubbing the film as “just another indoctrination vehicle.” In another attack on the film, guests claimed the depiction of Ken somehow emasculated men.

      Can conservatives be more stupid?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        How to say you're a Democrat, Pluggo, without actually coming out as a Democrat.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          I'm a classic liberal secularist so I don't have a party. Democrats are slightly less offensive for the most part.

          1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

            What we do know is you you posted dark web links to underage porn!

            Is your keyboard sticky?

          2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            So you're more authoritarian than libertarian. Thanks for playing, Pluggo, it's nice to know you'd choose authoritarianism every time.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Up above he was claiming that anti-authoritarian proposals to impound spending and remove civil servant special protections were authoritarian.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Pluggo is nothing but consistent there. If the donkeys do it, it's OK. If the elephants do it, it's bad and evil. Yet, he consistently claims he's "not a Democrat". Look no further than his defense of Adam Schiff (Jesse's comment, below), or his claims that Media Matters is "non-partisan". Pluggo is about as partisan as they come, and is no more than a jackass trying to look like he's in libertarian clothing.

          3. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2 4 weeks ago
            Flag Comment Mute User
            Schiff is one of the last truth-tellers in Congress as he stood up to the MAGA Swamp and called out Fatass Donnie’s Russian collusion starting in the Trump Tower on June 9, 2016 culminating in Helsinki where Fatass French-Kissed Vlad then shit on US intelligence in favor of the Kremlin.

            Not even half of the democrats believe this shit. Look at his popularity even amongst democrats. Only the most blue eyed DNC true believer would say the above. Which you did.

          4. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

            Democrats are slightly less offensive for the most part.

            Than vampires?

          5. Sevo   2 years ago

            "I’m a classic liberal secularist..."
            turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
            turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

          6. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

            Democrats are slightly less offensive for the most part than a pedo Barbie Fag.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
        turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

      3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "Barbenheimer was the fourth highest-grossing industry weekend of all time in North America, totaling $302 million Sunday."

        Neat how your opinion writer tries to portray Oppenheimer totals as part of Barbie, but even then the numbers don't add up.

        Barbie 155 + Oppenheimer 80 = 235

        What jacked it up to $302? Who's missing?

        Uh oh... could it be that awful anti-pedo movie you hate in its third week?

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      First of all, Pluggo, it's an opinion piece, and says so right at the top.

      Editor’s note: Dean Obeidallah, a former attorney, is the host of SiriusXM radio’s daily program “The Dean Obeidallah Show.” Follow him on Threads at http://www.threads.net/@deanobeidallah. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his own. Read more opinion at CNN.

      Who is Dean Obeidallah? I've never heard of him.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Obeidallah

      Dean Obeidallah is an American lawyer, comedian, and journalist. He is the host of SiriusXM Progress' The Dean Obeidallah Show and a frequent contributor to CNN, The Daily Beast, and MSNBC.

      So he is a frequent contributor to some very unabashedly left-wing and Democrat shows and publications as well as hosting a show on a left-wing channel. He also seems like a rather nasty personality.

      Obeidallah appeared on the December 28, 2013 episode of MSNBC's Melissa Harris-Perry show. On a "photos of the year" segment of that program, Obeidallah and a panel of comedians made several jokes about a family picture featuring former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's family, including his adopted black grandson, joking that the photo represented the diversity of the Republican Party. This sparked outrage, and Obeidallah later apologized to the Romneys for the remarks.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        Who is Dean Obeidallah? I’ve never heard of him.

        The villain played by Jeff Bridges in the first Iron Man movie.

    3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago (edited)

      Don’t they say in the movie that Barbie is a fascist?

  34. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Another scalp for Jeffy.

    Toronto principal killed himself after being singled out during DEI training

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      technically this happened after the training but really it was due to the aftermath of his objections during the training. He was hounded at work, vilified and eventually lost his job ... all for not silently nodding along with the insane orthodoxy presented in the DEI training.

      THEN he killed himself.

    2. Super Scary   2 years ago

      "Canada is a more racist place than the U.S., Canada is a “bastion of white supremacy and colonialism,” capitalism and the patriarchy are killing people, etc…"

      How dare them! WE'RE the most racist, dammit! It's all we have!

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        We’re number one! We’re number one!

  35. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Begging the other side to "move on" because they know they're in deep shit.

    https://nypost.com/2023/07/24/media-beg-republicans-to-move-on-from-hunter-biden-because-they-know-the-scandal-is-serious/

    “I wonder after this plea happens if you would advise your party to move on?”

    That question from CBS’s “Face the Nation” host Margaret Brennan to Republican presidential candidate Chris Christie was raised just days before a former business associate of Hunter Biden, Devon Archer, gives potentially explosive testimony to a House committee in the Biden corruption scandal.

    The media’s desire to “move on” from the scandal is reaching an almost frantic level, as millions in foreign payments and dozens of corporate shell companies are revealed, and incriminating emails are released.

    What was most striking about the last hearing involving two respected IRS whistleblowers was how Democratic members avoided virtually any specific questions.

    Any question would now trip a wire on the Bidens, so most avoid the allegations in favor of talking about Trump or other shiny objects.

    The only member who was unwise enough to venture into the allegations was Rep. Dan Goldman (D.-N.Y.) and the result was disastrous for the Democrats.

    The problem is that Goldman just elicited sworn testimony on how Joe Biden did in fact know about these business dealings despite years of categorical denials of having any knowledge or interaction with Hunter or his business associates.

    Goldman demolished the Biden defense in less than five minutes.

    Now, Archer is expected to testify that Joe Biden participated in actual telephone calls with them. That will allow investigators to build further on the foundation Goldman laid.

    No matter the severity of the revelations, the liberal media calls the investigations a “clown show.”

    After the Democrats lost the House, there was a need to cap off the scandal and I suggested that the Justice Department would secure a light plea on a couple tax counts with little or no jail time.

    Members and the media would then declare the scandal closed and demand that we all “move on.”

    It is unnerving to see how the response unfolded so precisely as predicted. Members made repeated reference to the plea bargain to avoid further discussion.

    Notably, these same media outlets did wall-to-wall coverage of the false Russian collusion claims in the Steele dossier.

    They are now simply shrugging off what could be one of the most serious corruption scandals in modern history despite the testimony of highly credible whistleblowers and thousands of pages of supporting evidence.

    1. creech   2 years ago

      Maybe if the witnesses dropped the most lethal bombshells right at the beginning instead of this incessant drip drip drip of increasingly incriminating evidence? Did Woodward and Bernstein dribble out evidence for the Watergate scandal or lay out the most damaging evidence right away?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        The current media establishment would still ignore them. They seem more preoccupied with #DefendBidenAtAllCosts than anything else.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          True. But I still agree with creech, just for my own sake.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        The problem is that information leads to more information. See the whistleblower testimony and interviews. They had an idea what was going on and as they continued down different paths they found more and more evidence. Ironically one of those avenues was Hunters own memoir.

        You also have active political appointees seemingly burying major revelations. Add to the fact more and more people are coming out after one person steps forward and you will always have a building of information.

      3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

        Bobulinski did 3 years ago

  36. Roberta   2 years ago

    And fear that overweight workers will pose legal trouble may actually lead to increased discrimination against them.

    Or it could lead to discrimination in favor of the fat, with employers thinking they couldn't be sued if they had an especially fat work force. Until thin people point out the law just says "weight" and not "being fat", and they start suing too. So then you wind up with a bimodal staff of the fat and skinny, with few in between.

    1. ducksalad   2 years ago

      Working on the flag design for our movement. Some really wide stripes, some really narrow ones.

      No normal ones. You've got your own flag with normal stripes and forced us to pledge allegiance to it for centuries.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Laurel and Hardy, call your offices! 🙂

    2. Roberta   2 years ago

      I see they're adding height as a non-discrimination criterion too, so the Mutt-and-Jeff workplace.

  37. Jerryskids   2 years ago

    National Review examines "the quiet collapse of four key state Republican Parties."

    Shit! That's bad news for Republicans - what jobs will they be able to get where they'll get paid well to be as useless as tits on a boar hog now? Some of them might have to find real jobs and leave the voting for insanely expensive liberal big-government policies to the Democrats who won't grin right in your face as they lie to you about how staunchly conservative they are. Like Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham, Susan Collins, and Lisa Murkowski for example.

  38. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Ready for another 'tripledemic'? CDC prepares for a winter of '3 bugs out there'

    1. Eeyore   2 years ago

      "Americans will be urged to get three different vaccinations this fall". Why stop at 3?

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Triple masking!

        1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          and triple vaxxing

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            Three weeks to flatten the curve!

            3 x 6 feet apart = 18 feet apart.

            My mask protects you and you. Your mask protects me and him/her/xe/xr...

            Am I getting this right? 😉

            1. Eeyore   2 years ago

              From what I can tell - triple masking might occasionally be effective at treating certain specific anxiety disorders. The same disorders M.A.I.D. is very effective at treating.

            2. Longtobefree   2 years ago

              No, you are not right.
              The right part is "that mask don't do a damn thing, take it off".

    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      I should be grateful to the CDC for making the concept of clothing worn to signal religious compliance a lot less weird.

  39. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    GOPe shenanigans.

    The Establishment Plots a Coup in the Lone Star State

    "Not all of the attempts to kneecap political opponents involve Democrats attacking Republicans. Some of the nastiest donnybrooks were initiated by “establishment” or “moderate” Republicans against conservatives."

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      Dan Branch was insufferable.

  40. Eeyore   2 years ago

    Can we get stupid on the list of protected classes? It has never stopped someone from getting elected.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      it's the one job where you have an advantage

      1. markm23   2 years ago

        Sometimes in police departments, too.

  41. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Antifa version 1.0 (black Americans fighting fascism prior to Trumpo-fascism)

    On Aug. 3, 1935, 25,000 Black and White New Yorkers marched down Harlem’s Lenox Avenue to protest Fascist Italy’s plans to invade Ethiopia, a League of Nations member and one of the few African nations that had never been colonized. The demonstration brought together Black labor, religious and pan-Africanist groups, Italian-American leftists, and the Communist-linked American League against Against War and Fascism, the event’s sponsor.
    .
    Black and White anti-racists and anti-Fascists came together to organize. Nurse Salaria Kea of Harlem Hospital collected funds for a 75-bed hospital and sent two tons of medical supplies to Ethiopia. Samuel Daniels, head of the Pan-African Reconstruction Association, toured New York and other major American cities to recruit volunteers. Soon the State Department reminded community leaders that it was illegal for American citizens to fight for a foreign power. Yet two Black pilots, Hubert Julian and John Robinson, found their way to Ethiopia to assist.

    https://lucid.substack.com/p/when-harlem-and-little-italy-clashed

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Republicans fighting Democrats.

      Want to place bets on which group was which, Pluggo?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        I'll give him a cluebat: LaGuardia was a Democrat.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. markm23   2 years ago

      "Trumpo-fascism" is 100% projection. It's Antifa that imitates Mussolini's Blackshirts and Hitler's Brownshirts in every way except keeping their uniforms neat. It's the Wokists that restrict free speech. It's the left that joins in solidarity with those who throw gays off tall buildings and have long been trying to push the Jews into the sea.

  42. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1683592070584229888?t=s3Rr8uK2DOGLmJsBXuomIw&s=19

    Tori Kelly was rushed to the hospital after passing out during a dinner with friends in LA, TMZ reports.

    She is currently getting treatment for blood clots found around her vital organs.

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1683848129156640768?t=-L2-Ry0x9JKzpwyvJdsBrA&s=19

      Unfortunate news: LeBron James' son, Bronny, was rushed to a hospital after suffering cardiac arrest during a basketball workout, according to @TMZ_Sports

      Hoping he's okay

      A spokesperson told TMZ: "Yesterday while practicing Bronny James suffered a cardiac arrest. Medical staff was able to treat Bronny and take him to the hospital. He is now in stable condition and no longer in ICU. We ask for respect and privacy for the James family and we will update media when there is more information."

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        I know we're not, but wonder whether LeBron is allowed to sue Pfizer ...

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          Potentially better stated: "I know our government doesn't allow us to sue Pfizer, but I wonder if the CCP will allow LeBron to sue Pfizer..."

          1. Dillinger   2 years ago

            lol your eloquence & my brevity are like a Reese's commercial

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Apparently the cardiac arrest was bad enough that the doctor is insinuating that he might never be able to play basketball again.

        Safe and effective with no downsides!

  43. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>moving "to outlaw weight discrimination at work,"

    sweet. outlaw employer health insurance plans too.

    1. creech   2 years ago

      It looks like "height" discrimination is outlawed too. They might want to take a look at the average height of NBA players and see there are quite a few shorties that need to be added.

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        couple it w/an age discrimination case and I can finally show my skills for the Sixers

        1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

          Consider the People's Republic of NJ. Definitely a 1-party state. Phailing Phil is doing such a wonderful job.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      The overweight are much more likely to have serious health problems which will drive up the cost of health insurance which will ultimately be paid by the consumer.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Shit, it's already been happening for decades. The nation's obesity rate went from 13.4% to 42.4% since 1980, and 5% to almost 20% in kids in the same time frame.

        Kids tend to not go outside and play unless it's in highly structured environments like youth sports, and adults are just fucking lazy now. The healthiest states are typically the ones where people tend to get outside and go on hikes or other kinds of recreation.

        This is actually a big reason I support having state and national parks--they're areas that somewhat force people to get out and walk around if you really want to get the full experience. I've actually dropped about 7 pounds this summer just going on various camping trips to these places and hiking around all day. Getting outdoors and out of the stinking, filthy, urban insane asylums would be good for Americans overall mental health, too.

  44. Nardz   2 years ago

    "The only candidate who can win" not doing so hot

    https://twitter.com/SteveDeaceShow/status/1683808588328759296?t=sg22RHs8BkWGQ545iwya_w&s=19

    I have been tempted to do what I’m about to for weeks now, but this morning is my last straw. I have seen a half dozen pro-DeSantis accounts in my For You feed this morning, and I have to say almost all of their posts are so demoralizing I almost wonder if they’re being paid by Trump. No one wants to support whining. No. One.

    Everyone wants to support the candidate delivering punches, not the one who says “you hit too hard.” Y’all need to understand my peers see your posts. You are reflecting a loser’s mentality to the broader conservative thinkset who resides here. If you’re acting like it’s over in July, why would you expect my peers to behave differently? If you’re this easily psyched out by polls this far out that are historically bad, consider maybe you don’t have the tenaciousness it takes for this. Because if you earnestly admire DeSantis and think he would make a great president, you are hurting him. And on top of that, Team Trump bathes in your tears, as I would too.

    So either grow a set or get the hell off of here. This has been my Ted Talk.

  45. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1683836413736017921?t=6ej3I9iRwneVRYGmqPSmBQ&s=19

    The people that lied to you about the food pyramid now want your kid to get 74+ vaccines, a 7 fold increase in 3+ decades

    Investigative Reporter Jefferey Jaxen discusses the “Censorship Industrial Complex” and their efforts to “maximize vaccine compliance” while censoring true stories of vaccine harm

    [Graphic]

  46. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>National Review examines "the quiet collapse of four key state Republican Parties."

    buffet of Geraghty's T-hatred = "examination"

  47. MWAocdoc   2 years ago (edited)

    “the quiet collapse of four key state Republican Parties”

    This is one of the predictable and predicted outcomes of red-blue combined with urban-rural polarization. In my own state the Republican Party can barely get anyone rational to volunteer to run for Governor any more. In statewide elections the blue-urban vote almost always beats out the red-suburban-rural vote by a few thousand. In any state with at least one high population density urban center the map of blue versus red districts is starkly contrasted, with almost no purple anywhere any more. The two-party system is the only cause of this breakdown in American politics. The only possible remedy is to elect the legislators in every state with a proportional representation system, which would prevent winner-takes-all control of entire states based on 51%-49% majority rule.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      This is one of the predictable and predicted outcomes of red-blue combined with urban-rural polarization.

      Yeah, this honestly isn't any big political revelation. Bill Bishop started talking about it in "The Big Sort" 15 years ago, and it's clearly been an ongoing thing for about 20 years now when you look at electoral maps. Places were the deep blue urbanites are balanced out by hinterland and exurb voters, such as Montana, Iowa, Idaho, the Dakotas, etc., will continue to get redder, while states with massive spikes in urban populations like Oregon, Washington, Colorado and Arizona will continue to get bluer.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      In my own state the Republican Party can barely get anyone rational to volunteer to run for Governor any more.

      In Colorado, the party started a pretty rapid decline after the 2006 mid-terms, and then collapsed completely by 2012. This has been due to a combination of out-of-state Millennials coming to the state in droves during the tech and pot booms, as well as a rapid increase in immigration from Central America, mostly Mexico, starting in about 1999-2000. Being a Republican in Colorado is about as pointless as being a Democrat in Wyoming.

  48. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1683740787945918464?t=eUQl0nzEPz8PNSiT5Ez_ZA&s=19

    Colt McAbee was one of the first protesters to come to her assistance, and he was one of the four to help carry her into the tunnel in order to get medical attention for her.

    He was arrested 7 months later in Aug. 2021.

    He remains in custody today -- almost 24 months later -- set for trial finally in Sept.

    I made 3 attempts to get him released on bail.

    MAYBE the MOST ABUSIVE filing against any J6 Defendant.

    The case against Colt is literally horrible.

    [Link]

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      British Shrike supports this.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Beyond evil.

      They beat a protester to death, and then imprisoned a witness for two years without trial.

      This is Stasi/OGPU level shit, but self-proclaimed "libertarians" like White Mike, Sarckles, and Diet Shrike pretend that it was somehow justified because orangemanbad. Evil morons.

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      BREAKING VIDEO: For 2 1/2 years, Capitol Police officer Aquilino Gonell has lied about injuries he sustained on Jan 6.

      He has testified under oath and in federal court proceedings that he suffered near-death injuries.

      New J6 video contradicts Gonell's claims that protesters inflicted head, shoulder, hand, and foot injuries so egregious that he required surgery and medical leave. (Not to mention "mental health" trauma.)

      In a victim impact statement made in court in May, Gonell told the judge that he was "bleeding from both hands, [had] a maimed foot, hit on the head, sprayed with pepper and bear spray, beaten, punched, pushed, pulled, and assaulted by many other rioters as they try to gain entrance."

      Here he is for several minutes near the body of Rosanne Boyland at around 4:50 on Jan 6, after the protest and violence ended. His hands show no sign of injury. Nor does his shoulder, as he takes off gear.

      His feet seem fine--he is seen kicking items out of the area. And his head, which had been protected by a riot helmet, shows no sign of injury, either.

      Not only did Gonell lie to Congress and federal judges in "victim impact" statements, he has repeatedly lied during media interviews and on social media about his experience.

      WATCH:

      1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

        How can perjury by police officers be tolerated?

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          It supports the narrative.

        2. Zeb   2 years ago

          Is that a serious question? Perjury is tolerated by police officers pretty much all the time in court.

        3. Dillinger   2 years ago

          it's not supposed to be

  49. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1683610880716554240?t=ldNevSyawAxG8wXq3ueN6w&s=19

    2 states built barriers along their borders to stop the flood of illegals.

    The Biden DOJ sued to remove them.

    It’s not a border crisis. It’s a plan.

    [Link]

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      national divorce looking more and more likely if you ask me

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Abbott really ought to just contract out for a fleet of buses to haul them all to DC and drop them off at the White House gate at this point.

  50. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>The IRS says it will mostly stop showing up at people's homes unannounced.

    Flight of the Valkyries from a loudspeaker hanging from one of the choppers should do the trick.

    1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

      I love the smell of an audit in the morning, smells like authority.

  51. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

    Is the Twitter is now X thing a joke? I don't pay enough attention to tell.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      it's elon, so it could be he's just trolling the world for fun, which is awesome. he's the billionaire we dont deserve

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Who cares? Mastodon is the way of the future!

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Mastodon? And here I thought it was Threads.

    3. R Mac   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/dogeofficialceo/status/1683892208963813376

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        Yeah, that's exactly what I don't get. Is it supposed to be derivative of "crossing" like the signs for railroads?

        "Xing" visually looks like a reference to Chinese propaganda. And how does one refer to individual tweets? "Xes" looks like a neutral pronoun. Crosses? That would change a hostile tweet into a "flaming cross". Unless this really is about spreading white supremacy, that symbolism is problematic.

        Just off the top of my head, and based on what Elon has said, I could see going with PublicSquare for the platform. Tweets could change to Psays or Pshouts. "Someone psaid to ENB that she should make him a sandwich, so she pshouted him down," would lend itself easily to marketing.

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Washington Post:

      Elon Musk buys Twitter, a major tech company, turns it into a cesspool of disinformation and hate speech, lays off thousands of employees and loses more than two-thirds of the company’s value.

      One, and only one of those things in that entire sentence is true. You decide which one.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

        I’ll take, “lays off thousands of employees”, for $1,000, Alex.

        It's not a "cesspool of disinformation and hate speech", nor has Elon lost "more than two-thirds of the company’s value."

    5. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      The really important part is that now that there is no twitter, there can not be any mean tweets, so Trump is OK again.

  52. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

    Nonetheless, pushes to make weight part of anti-discrimination statutes are becoming a trend, suggests the Journal article.

    Um, suggests your own lying eyes if you were paying more attention.

  53. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    D.C. restaurants pass on new wage costs to customers, because of course. Initiative 82, passed by District of Columbia voters last year, raises the pre-tip minimum wage for tipped workers from $5.35 an hour up to $17 an hour by 2027

    Ha... DC is WAY behind the times.

    Seattle's minimum wage is $18.69/hour for most workers effective January 1, 2023, but can be $16.50/hour, depending on what company you work for and how you're paid. Here's how the Seattle minimum wage works: The minimum wage is $18.69 an hour for most workers in Seattle.

    1. creech   2 years ago

      Does that mean no more tipping, except for very extraordinary service, in Seattle restaurants?

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Nope, you are still frowned upon if you don't tip 20%

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          you are still frowned upon if you don’t tip 20%

          As reported by Seattle Times journalists who supplement their income by picking up a few shifts?

        2. MT-Man   2 years ago

          I don't tip any place that passes on the credit card fee without acknowledging it up front first. Crumbl I believe just changed it back but was for a while hiding it until you made the purchase.

      2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        How dare you even suggest this? The idea of not tipping someone making $18/hr, making the cost of your meal go up, is literally fascism. The idea is a threat to democracy and evidence of cis-genfered, white supremacy. I'm triggered.

        1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

          #BLM, #checkyourprivilege, #whitesuprenacy, #antifi, #globalwarmingisreal, #lgbtq+

  54. Bob T   2 years ago

    A flight instructor is a great case in point. All airplanes have a gross weight limit where loading beyond that limit makes the aircraft dangerous to fly. It is a federal crime for someone to overload an aircraft beyond that limit. What company would want to be forced to hire someone who would over gross an airplane with the instructor and a student.

    1. ducksalad   2 years ago

      If it's equity versus aerodynamics we know which one has to win.

      Deny certification to all aircraft that can't accommodate two people fully exercising their right to personal mass, plus their lunch boxes. World record is about 1000 pounds so requiring 2500 pound non-fuel payload ought to cover them, their lunch boxes and a fire extinguisher.

      Or, if you want a more libertarian solution, just stop obsessing so much about stuff like safety accessories and especially extra fuel. People not carbon!

  55. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    2 states built barriers along their borders to stop the flood of illegals.

    The Biden DOJ sued to remove them.

    It’s not a border crisis. It’s a plan.

  56. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    What... in the... actual fuck.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad/scary.

    2. Dillinger   2 years ago

      amazing you can't see the strings.

    3. ducksalad   2 years ago

      No snark: I've known some people like that. Reasonably functional and intelligent but dealing with some kind of mild brain disorder that causes constant birdlike motion and weird too-short-too-long eye contact.

      Assuming you were talking about the aide and not the delegate....

    4. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      I like this comment there: "I bet the people saying that the lizard people run the world are starting to feel so vindicated."

    5. Eeyore   2 years ago

      I think the staffer has tick associated ocd and vocal mimicry is just her tick. I know it looks strange as fuck, but harmless. I've seen this a number of times in other people. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4254546/

      That said - the woman she works for is 100% pure stupid bitch.

      1. ducksalad   2 years ago

        Thanks Eeyore, I didn't know the name of the ailment.

    6. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Dude.

  57. SRG   2 years ago

    40% of adult Americans are obese - seems high for a protected class. I wonder whether you can discriminate against someone not because they're obese but because they're refusing to do anything about it. "You know you're unhealthy and you don't want to be treated for it? That's not the attitude we're looking for here".

    1. Eeyore   2 years ago

      How obese are we talking? The standards are pretty low. I've seen a number of fit fat people who have a high BMI and according to the guidelines are obese. I don't believe any of thier numbers anymore. The guidelines seem designed with a bias to find the problem they want to find.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        According to the BMI chart I should look like a starving Chinaman.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          Drunk again? The incoherent racism is a dead giveaway.

      2. SRG   2 years ago

        Fair point. BMI is certainly problematic for those of us who are fit and train regularly - but at very high BMIs, few people fall into that category.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          The obnoxiously arrogant lying piece of shit doesn't know.

        2. Eeyore   2 years ago

          I don't actually need the bmi to know I'm fat.

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Sure, but I'd say the heart disease and diabetes stats are a pretty decent correlation to the reported obesity rate. I see the "but BMI isn't a great measure!" argument a lot, and that seems to be a deflection for those combined stats, plus it tends to be employed by a lot of average people who are getting a spare tire and don't want to admit it.

        Also, just get out in public and go to a mall or shopping center. You probably won't notice it if you're not looking for it, but you'd be amazed at the sheer number of fat fucks out there. Those people are big (heh) reason our medical costs are so fucking high--because we're providing heroic medical care so they can stuff their faces with garbage until they gracelessly expire.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

          Honest question: Which uses more healthcare dollars, living long enough to get cancer or premature death from an unhealthy lifestyle?

          What causes more of a drag on the healthcare system, dying of heart disease in one’s 60s or cancer in one’s 90s?

          Point being that it might be more cost-effective to let people kill themselves with their life choices.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            There's more certainty that one who is obese and 60 will suffer heart disease than one who is 90 will get cancer. Anecdotally, I've seen this in relatives. The obese ones have problems from heart issues to diabetes. The non-obese ones, even those in their 90s, tend to have fewer issues, including cancer.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              But who uses more health care dollars? The ones who kick-off early, or the ones who live long enough to need extensive treatments?

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Those who kick-off early may need extensive treatments earlier on than those who are fit and live longer. Think about it this way...

                A man who is fit and is mentally fit into his 90s, has never been diagnosed with heart disease, cancer, or diabetes, will see a doctor once a year, and then die of sheer old age.

                A man who is obese, and has been since his 20s, and now in his 60s, has been diagnosed with heart disease and diabetes, and he uses medications for both just to stay alive. He requires treatments for his joints for far longer as he is carrying much more weight on them, and maybe even far more hospital stays due to the heart issues and diabetes.

                Which one do you think will cost more? My guess is the obese one.

                1. Zeb   2 years ago

                  I'm not sure about obesity, but there have been studies showing that smokers likely cost less in healthcare on average because they die sooner on average.
                  I think it's a valid question with a non-obvious answer.

            2. Zeb   2 years ago

              Everyone pretty much gets cancer if they live long enough, don't they?

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                "Live long and die from cancer."

                -alternate translation of Vulcan salutation.

                1. markm23   2 years ago

                  LOL

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Which uses more healthcare dollars, living long enough to get cancer or premature death from an unhealthy lifestyle?

            The problem with your scenario is, people die of cancer at all ages. And while cancer is the 2nd leading cause of death, heart disease and diabetes combined kill way more people.

            1. markm23   2 years ago (edited)

              The cost of heart disease depends on when and how it’s discovered. If the first sign is that you drop dead and can’t be revived, the bill is just a few thousand dollars, not much higher than anyone’s final ambulance ride. If your doctor notices something during a routine physical, orders up a huge array of tests, tries treating you with drugs for high blood pressure, etc., for a decade, sends you to open-heart surgery, and so on until you finally expire after 25 years of medical torture, you just cost the insurance company + society a few million.

              And you might have been better off if they had never noticed a thing until you suddenly dropped dead.

      4. Zeb   2 years ago

        For individuals, BMI shouldn't be used to determine who is obese or not. It's totally invalid as a diagnostic tool. But I think that as an overall measure of a population it's a pretty good indicator. Sure, there are many exceptions, but in general weight/height is going to give you a pretty good idea of how fat people are.

    2. ducksalad   2 years ago

      Do anything about it? WTF?

      You're two stages behind society. We've passed through demanding tolerance and have moved on to requiring affirmation.

      Training videos are in order.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        We’ve passed through demanding tolerance and have moved on to requiring affirmation.

        It is more about this than anything else. Anything about a person that might subject them somehow to ridicule or shame must be protected. Every freak is normal. Those who say otherwise are the freaks. Taking a mile for every inch given is how one convinces sane people to surrender freedom.

        1. SRG   2 years ago

          It's like rights v duties - e.g, you're entitled to free speech, but you're not entitled to require others to listen or to provide you with a platform. Here, it is as if "you" are so entitled.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            Positive rights vs negative rights. Negative rights only require non interference, whereas positive right put an obligation on others. As a libertarian I've never met a negative right that I could argue with, and I've never met a positive right that can't be abused.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

              I am pretty sure some of the positive rights assured by the Constitution have never been abused in the sense you mean it, i.e., "to the advantage of the person asserting the rights over the rights of others." I certainly have never heard of anyone accused of having used a speedy trial to unfairly defend himself.

              Your attempt to be pithy is betrayed by the shallowness of your thoughts.

              1. Zeb   2 years ago

                I think legal procedural stuff like that might be an exception. But in general it's not a bas assessment. As long as there is a powerful state, some positive rights in terms of the government's obligations to citizens/taxpayers are necessary. But those are mostly still going to be in essence limitations on what the government can do to you. So speedy trial is good because it means the state can't just leave charges hanging over you indefinitely.

                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                  The 2nd amendment can certainly be seen as a negative right to be free from government interference in ownership of arms, but considering that so few people have the tools and knowledge to build a gun, it is, to all effect, a positive right. I need to be granted the ability to hold currency and to transact the purchase before I can exercise the right. I can't exercise it on my own.

                  Trying to classify rights as positive and negative is a fools game that concedes too much. This way lies the madness of Michael Hihn.

          2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

            Here, it is as if “you” are so entitled.

            A completely incoherent sentence. Are you struggling to understand pronouns these days? It does still need to be clear what they reference.

            1. SRG   2 years ago

              Oh piss off, you precisian prick. The sentence is not incoherent, and I was making a distinction between the "you" of rights and the "you" of affirmation for the avoidance of ambiguity.

              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                for the avoidance of ambiguity.

                You failed. There was no "you" in my response and the "you" in ducksalad's comment was actually you, which would be "me" in your response. Even at that, the "you" was still less ambiguous than the "here" or the "it".

                I still have no idea if you were for or against the argument made by ducksalad or my expansion on it. Your disambiguation did not clarify anything.

                1. SRG   2 years ago

                  You're not very good at context, are you?

                  But let me spell it out for you.

                  Person A: advances an argument
                  Person B: advances a counter-argument
                  SRG: your arguments are analogous to arguments about this other case.
                  Chuck P: SRG, which argument are you for or against? If you don't tell me, I won't be able to understand your response and then disagree with you.

                  1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                    your arguments are analogous to arguments about this other case.

                    Does that spell out something? Other than "I was moving the goalposts and dropped them"? People complaining that they have been unfairly banned from Twitter is not at all analogous to wanting to sue people who charge you for 2 seats when your fat ass actually takes up 2 seats. The former involves a legitimate contract dispute while the later would be enforced by fiat.

                    Your next tactic will be to say "that's not what I was talking about". But the courts have already ruled that you can't deny drag queens or the KKK a park permit or chase doomsayers off street corners, so what the fuck else could "provide you with a platform" be alluding to?

                    What an asshole.

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Maybe “society” in general, but if you are obese and visit a doctor who has anything on the ball they will still tell you you should do something about it.

        1. ducksalad   2 years ago

          Today? Maybe.

          We'll see what the AMA guidelines are a few years from now. I'm undecided on strategy. Maybe just straight up declare my paunch is fine and it's illegal for the doctor to suggest otherwise. Alternatively, say I identify as not having the paunch and require the doctor to affirm that.

          Which way do think we should go? Of course we could do both.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

            Thank you for asking.

            I think doctor’s should straight-up tell people they need to lose weight. Last year my wife and I both went through a “lifestyle medicine” program where we worked on improving our diet, exercise, sleep, etc. I’m now at a very healthy weight, have a much more whole-food plant-based diet, and cut my blood pressure dramatically.

            I was never terribly overweight, except by BMI calculations, but my sleep was terrible. But I'm getting older and I needed to stop the unhealthy habits I could get away with when I was younger.

            1. ducksalad   2 years ago

              What you and your wife went through, my friend, was literally the equivalent of gay conversion therapy. There is nothing wrong with being heavy and therefore by definition any treatment is quackery.

              Here is the fundamental mistake you are making: confusing the scientific ideas of mass and weight with the idea of fatness or as we prefer to call it awesomeness, a social construct that is a matter of personal identity but also inherent and immutable.

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                You, my friend, could go far as a big city councilperson. If you can look yourself in the mirror.

        2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          they will still tell you you should do something about it.

          But for someone who is very fat, they can't suggest anything to do about it that will work. Very obese people have an approximately 100% failure rate at losing weight down to a normal BMI and keeping the weight off long-term by simply choosing lifestyle changes. We need to find better ways of treating obesity, if possible. Maybe there is no way and these people are just goners, but it doesn't look like much of an effort is being made to try to help them.

          1. ducksalad   2 years ago

            I'm so tired. Why is it my job to explain this? I realize you're attempting to be kind here. But given my shortened lifespan, and your inability to do anything about that, the very least you can do is make my remaining years a beautiful wonderland of accommodations and affirmations.

          2. Zeb   2 years ago

            The bariatric surgery things seem to work pretty well. I know a few people who had very persistent weight problems who did that, lost a ton of weight, and seem reasonably happy and healthy.

            1. D-Pizzle   2 years ago

              I know only two people personally who had the surgery, both of whom years later are still obese. They learned how to "eat around the surgery," eating smaller high calorie meals more frequently.

          3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

            As biologists have pointed out, the upper life span of an animal is predicted by the age at which they naturally lose their teeth. Humans that get past 35 are defying nature.

            The goal should be "fat and happy" But we don't get to revolution without "hungry and miserable."

    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

      I wonder whether you can discriminate against someone not because they’re obese but because they’re refusing to do anything about it.

      The whole idea behind protected classes is that people don’t choose their race or biological gender, so it’s unfair to discriminate against things that are not their choice.

      Putting obesity into this category is a roundabout way of saying fatties are not unwilling, but rather are unable, to lose weight.

      1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

        Religion is a protected class and religion is a choice.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          True. Thinking about it, it looks like about the only time freedom of thought is protected. Crimes are amplified depending on what the person is thinking at the time, and political thought is definitely not protected. I imagine the only reason religion is protected is because it's in the 1A.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            The reason it's in 1A goes back to religious tests in Europe whereby you had to be of x religion (Christian sect) to be a fully functioning member of society. Political thought/speech is most definitely protected. Why do you think there are so many court cases over it?

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              These days when tolerance means not tolerating disagreement, equality means being better than anyone who disagrees, and inclusion means excluding anyone who disagrees, it would seem that religious tests haven't gone anywhere.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                All the more reason for 1A and why 1A is more relevant than ever before.

        2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          religion is a choice.

          That's a very American point of view. In most of the world, one's religion is intimately connected to one's ethnicity, and is seen as an immutable characteristic. Evangelism is seen as an act of aggression.

      2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        it’s unfair to discriminate

        The rallying cry of the weak and ineffectual. Notice how sarcasmic just concedes the argument instead of defending it on libertarian principles?

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Notice how Chucky lacks the intelligence and honesty to see the difference between explaining an argument and agreeing with the argument.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            It's like all the criticism here, mostly of ENB, where merely linking to an article or quoting someone is assumed to be endorsement of any opinions expressed.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Can't fix stupid.

              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                Can't argue with absurdity.

          2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

            You didn't explain anything. You introduced a new argument, and in doing so, conceded to the idea that any class deserves legal protection from discrimination in employment. All people have a right to equal treatment under the law. Anything beyond that is an imposition of one of those positive rights you referred to earlier.

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  59. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago (edited)

    ChatJFC, please write a typical Reason article

    Certainly. Here it is.

    Diego Gutierrez, originally from Mexico, lives in the U. S. and holds down two jobs. By day he works at a food truck which sells marijuana edibles, by night he is a gay prostitute. Now the government is hassling him. Formerly named Luiza Gutierrez, Diego has written a memoir about his transition to maleness, but the book was banned in Florida school libraries thanks to Ron DeSantis.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      LOL!

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Why do you spend your valuable life's time here?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Why do you, Laursen? You get deserved abuse day in and day out, and then mute the majority of the commentariat so all you see are little gray boxes instead of conversation. Why do you spend your valuable life’s time here?

      2. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

        Of all the people to ask me that question...

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          I at least like Reason. I even support them financially.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Then why spend your time here, in the comment sections, twit?

          2. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

            I like many of Reason's articles - they educated me about the extent of police abuse - but I couldn't resist a little "dig" at some of their other, overused themes.

  60. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Someone pass this along to Nick Gillespie, next time he asks "I mean like, what even are the stakes man, why can't we just let people have their promethean transformation?"

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Just a thirteen minute video with no timestamp we should go to or notes about what part in particular we should pay attention to.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        It's not an article, it's a podcast, man.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          It was pretty embarrassing that you didn't get that yesterday.

  61. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

    My kid showed me this game today. It's the evilest thing on the Internet since goatse:

    https://neal.fun/password-game/

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Worse than 2 girls and a cup?

    2. Eeyore   2 years ago

      Pure evil.

    3. Eeyore   2 years ago

      Rule 16 is where you should just rage quit.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        That’s funny. My kid described it as a game designed to get the player to rage quit. She used those same exact words.

  62. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

    Where I work, EVERY TIME a Black employee is terminated, they file a discrimination complaint with the state civil rights commission. None has ever succeeded, but it takes up staff time to deal with the complaints.

    1. Eeyore   2 years ago

      ...and this is why we stopped hiring black people.

  63. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

    With the workforce aging and retirement for most becoming a fantasy, it would be just and prudent to add age to the ADA as a disability requiring reasonable accommodation.

  64. mjs_28s   2 years ago

    You should be able to hire the people that you want and for whatever the reason that you want.

    If you end up taking the unethical path and hiring just a certain gender or race or age, or religion then that is on you and your customers can decide with their dollars if they want to give you their business. We don't need laws for this.

    The public would flush out much of the problem by voting with their dollars.

    But regarding that, if a business doesn't want to hire people that they have to pay higher premiums to insure, who are more likely to make workman's comp claims, and that they might have to spend dollars on having to accommodate then so be it. For a smaller business or one with tight margins in a competitive sector, every penny matters and why should they have to cater to someone with poor diet and exercise habits?

    Yes, some people actually have a problem that causes weight gain but the vast majority of the time it is on you and your problem. Stop making it someone else's problem.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Don’t you know? We are all in this together.

    2. NOYB2   2 years ago

      If you end up taking the unethical path and hiring just a certain gender or race or age, or religion then that is on you

      I don't see anything "unethical" about a Korean grocer only hiring Korean employees, or a Black musician only hiring black singers, or a Pakistani butcher only hiring Muslims, or a gay baker only hiring gay employees.

      "Hiring just a certain gender or race or age, or religion" is how many minorities have succeeded in the US.

    3. NOYB2   2 years ago

      Yes, some people actually have a problem that causes weight gain but the vast majority of the time it is on you and your problem.

      There is no problem that "causes weight gain". You can always eat less than what your body burns and you will lose weight.

      Obesity really isn't all that different from drug addiction: many people are physiologically and psychologically dependent on food, just like others are on drugs, but in the end, it's still a choice they are making to continue a self-destructive behavior.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Their ability to make that choice is impaired by their condition. You suffer from the outdated view that pathologies of the brain are somehow different from a disease in any other part of the body.

  65. Chip D   2 years ago

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  67. fafalone   2 years ago

    I'm no skin and bones guy myself, but one time when I working in the surgical department, they hired this one orderly who was *enormous*, needed special ordered 6xl scrubs. He couldn't even navigate the ORs... one time he sent a sterile instrument tray (the scalpels and other things going inside the patient) flying *during a procedure*. Everything stopped and we all stared in silence for what seemed like forever. He went to start picking up the stuff and they just threw him out.

    He did it again 2 days later and was fired.

    Wonder if NY hospitals will be forced to retain quality people like that.

  68. Get To Da Chippah   2 years ago

    I'm sure a 300lb. stripper gyrating in her electric wheelchair will draw a crowd, though it may be due to gravity.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      The strip club will get around the law by having the strippers be independent contractors or some such.

  69. NOYB2   2 years ago

    Of course, in an ideal world, employers would not arbitrarily discriminate against workers or potential workers because of their body sizes. But there are some jobs for which being overweight or obese might make performing relevant duties more difficult.

    Obesity is a negative in all jobs: it interferes with health, physical abilities, and mental abilities. There is nothing "arbitrary" about discriminating against obese people in many areas of life.

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