Is Debating Debt Policy Actually Terrorism?
The fight over the debt ceiling has foreshadowed how the policy debates of the presidential election cycle are likely to go.

Debt doesn't care about elections. The U.S. government must continue to pay its bills, and as long as current spending trends continue, it must keep borrowing money to do so.
But politicians care very much about elections. When it recently became apparent that the government was about to smash its head on the $31.4 trillion debt ceiling established by Congress, thus potentially triggering a catastrophic cash crunch and default on American debt obligations, the political leadership of both parties got right to work figuring out the best way to avoid losing their next election.
In the end, the bipartisan deal to suspend the debt limit—on which the ink was still drying as this issue went to press—just so happens to have an expiration date of January 2025, right after the next election cycle is complete.
Unlike the previous deal, the new agreement contains no dollar figure at which Congress must once again authorize more debt. Technically, the bill's 99 pages include $1.5 trillion in cuts from projected future federal spending over the next 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. But those cuts might as well have been written in disappearing ink, in part because of a series of backroom deals to undermine them. The actual cuts most likely to stick are small and mostly symbolic rather than substantive, such as trims to planned increases in IRS funding.
The deal does nothing to reckon with the twin time bombs of Social Security and Medicare. An exciting new feature of this election cycle is that all of the leading candidates are now just saying out loud that they will not be doing anything to reduce spending on entitlements.
Donald Trump recently said, "Under no circumstances should Republicans vote to cut a single penny from Medicare or Social Security." In his last State of the Union address, Joe Biden said, "If anyone tries to cut Social Security, I will stop them. And if anyone tries to cut Medicare, I will stop them. I will not allow them to be taken away. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever." And in early March, Florida's Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis told Fox News he would not "mess with" entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare, walking back a previous position in which he seemed to entertain the possibility of raising the retirement age for future retirees to make the programs "financially sustainable."
While there are some exceptions among the horde of hopefuls climbing over each other to throw their hats into the increasingly grubby ring, there is general agreement that this election will not be about debt, the deficit, or entitlement reform. The new debt ceiling deal all but assures that any debate that does occur won't be framed in terms of overall fiscal responsibility.
This underlying consensus has paradoxically produced more toxic rhetoric and partisanship, not less. One reason the fight over the bells and whistles of the debt ceiling deal was so fierce was in large part because leadership understood the deal simply had to get done in the end, and almost certainly would.
Debt ceiling debates thus become opportunities to score points rather than the moments for serious reflection about spending priorities they were designed to be.
In the lead-up to the debt ceiling deal, Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D–N.Y.) compared elected officials who do not share his opinion on a complicated matter of policy tradeoffs to literal terrorists: "I called on the president to invoke the 14th Amendment and mint a coin and do not negotiate with hostage-takers," he said on CNN. "I mean, we don't negotiate with terrorists globally—why are we going to negotiate with the economic terrorists here that are the Republican Party?"
One might argue he was simply fighting fire with fire, of course. In response to Biden's reluctance to meet with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) at the end of April for a round of debt ceiling talks, Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) called the president, an elected official who does not happen to share his opinion on a complicated matter of policy tradeoffs, a "guy they got right now locked in the basement" who is captive to "little Marxists with no experience in the real world" and is therefore "behaving like a terrorist." Mixed metaphors aside, this is hardly statesmanlike language.
But wait! The last time there was a big fight over the debt ceiling, someone else reportedly said elected officials who did not happen to share his opinion on a complicated matter of policy tradeoffs "have acted like terrorists": It was Joe Biden, who was at the time endearing himself to America as Barack Obama's slightly salty vice president.
Not everyone in Washington was happy to go along with the deal. Backbenchers such as House Freedom Caucus Chairman Scott Perry (R–Pa.) and Rep. Chip Roy (R–Texas) could be heard making the case against it in the lead-up to the final vote, which had a telling 314–117 split, with 71 Republicans and 46 Democrats voting against it. The alternative deal, the Limit, Save, Grow Act, which the House passed in April would have reset the federal budget baseline to where it was last year and placed stricter limits on future spending growth. But given the current leadership's utter lack of capacity or will to seriously address any of the underlying drivers of debt, it's no wonder the front-runners in the 2024 race looked at the biggest threat to continued American prosperity and decided to gamble on the tab not coming due until after their time. (This is probably a safe bet for Trump and Biden; it's a riskier one for DeSantis, who still has many years in the political salt mines ahead of him.)
The fight over the debt ceiling has foreshadowed how the policy debates of the presidential election cycle are likely to go. Serious issues plaguing the nation will be glossed over in favor of a mix of flashy bugaboos and character assassination.
In addition to bipartisan agreement to ignore entitlement spending, the leading candidates from both parties have shown little to no will to grapple seriously with immigration policy and border security. Both Biden and Trump managed to disappoint their supporters in their first terms by failing to deliver on promises to fix immigration. Instead, their policies looked oddly similar because both men found themselves in a policy quagmire armed only with political hand grenades. As with the debt debate, meaningful progress on immigration will only be possible if political leaders are willing to take risks. If not, an implicit bipartisan consensus to maintain a narrow, clogged pipeline for legal immigration and chaotic, punitive border policies will rein.
While the down-to-the-wire theatrics and rhetorical excesses of the debt ceiling debate were exciting, the conclusion was largely inevitable. A failure to suspend the debt ceiling would have taken an important problem and made it into an urgent problem instead. Politicians will almost never do this, because important problems that are forever looming menacingly on the horizon are great for business. Urgent problems, meanwhile, can be disastrous for a promising political career. Urgent problems require hard choices to be made before the next election.
Elections have real stakes, but the leading politicians are doing their best to diminish those on the policy front; even judicial appointments and foreign affairs remain substantively in play. This election, like all elections, will be sold as the most important election of our lifetimes. But if the candidates fail to take the nation's real challenges seriously, we should offer them the same courtesy.
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The only surprise during the “fight over the debt ceiling” was the number of politicians from both parties who voted against the bill. Although it’s not unusual for representatives from iffy districts to vote against something for cosmetic reasons – with permission from the party whips – when their votes make no difference to the outcome so they can make points back home with their constituents, there may have been at least a few who actually don’t support unlimited borrowing and spending. If this is a hopeful sign then it would be welcome. This wasn't actually a fight in the usual sense of the word. There was one caucus that flexed non-existent muscles and cried about being betrayed and managed to eek out a token concession. America is doomed.
Concerning how the “debates” will go: who cares? There won’t be any debates, only dog and pony shows and candidatorial beauty pageants.
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'The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.'
Sen. Obama
Too bad he didn't mean it.
This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we'll spend on Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.
And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on. Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America's priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans — a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.
But we are not doing that. Despite repeated efforts by Senators Conrad and Feingold, the Senate continues to reject a return to the commonsense Pay-go rules that used to apply. Previously, Pay-go rules applied both to increases in mandatory spending and to tax cuts. The Senate had to abide by the commonsense budgeting principle of balancing expenses and revenues. Unfortunately, the principle was abandoned, and now the demands of budget discipline apply only to spending. As a result, tax breaks have not been paid for by reductions in Federal spending, and thus the only way to pay for them has been to increase our deficit to historically high levels and borrow more and more money. Now we have to pay for those tax breaks plus the cost of borrowing for them. Instead of reducing the deficit, as some people claimed, the fiscal policies of this administration and its allies in Congress will add more than $600 million in debt for each of the next 5 years. That is why I will once again cosponsor the Pay-go amendment and continue to hope that my colleagues will return to a smart rule that has worked in the past and can work again.
Sen. Obama
Interest alone was over $400 billion in 2022. Imagine what we could have done with that. Instead, it goes to the enemies of this country.
Flipping 180 when he was President Obama:
Obama won’t negotiate over the debt limit, aides say, because he is determined to break the cycle of using the country’s borrowing limit as a bargaining chip.
“I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that they’ve already racked up through the laws that they passed,” Obama said. “Let me repeat: We can’t not pay bills that we’ve already incurred. If Congress refuses to give the United States government the ability to pay these bills on time, the consequences for the entire global economy would be catastrophic — far worse than the impact of a fiscal cliff.”
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Flipping 180 when he was President Obama:
Thats because just as he is not directing the Biden whitehouse now [as some claim] he was 'being handled' when he was the guy behind the resolute desk
Even when the Air Force says it doesn't want planes or the Navy says it doesn't want ships, Congress still spends the money.
OTOH, this sort of thing does tend to highlight the notion that a lot of defense industry spending is REALLY a "jobs program".
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Even When the Navy Tried to Do The Right Thing, Politics Won Out (townhall.com)
Defense acquisition takes a lot of flak, most of it entirely deserved.
The services, being at heart big government bureaucracies, compete with each other for resources, capabilities and influence – impact on overall spending be damned. They could not survive an audit, and billions of dollars seem to slip into the ether each year.
They protect their interests, try not to let any funding already acquired not be used to its fullest and jealously guard their turf.
But every once in a while, the services do it right. They see a program that doesn’t measure up, and they make the tough decision to get rid of it. They forgo a capability, opt for efficiency and call for going back to the drawing board.
The Navy has made this difficult decision with the Freedom Class Littoral Combat Ship. These are small and fast ships – they can go up to 50 miles per hour – designed to operate in shallow water near shorelines against asymmetric threats such as the gun boats used by Iran.
But the ships have never worked as planned. It took 12 years longer than expected to produce the first ships, and they came in at more than $500 million per unit – more than twice their estimated cost of $220 million. Navy officers referred to them as the “Little Crappy Ship,” because they did not live up to the expectations of the rank-and-file who had to use them.
They were made with less extensive protective armor than typical ships, which enabled them to travel lighter but left them more vulnerable to anti-ship missiles or mines, which they could well encounter in a battle with an adversary. Their ability to reach top speeds rendered them “gas hogs,” which limited their range and effectiveness.
The maiden voyage of the new class – the U.S.S. Little Rock heading off to Central and South America to help combat drug trafficking and other illegal activity – hinted at the dysfunction ahead. The ship’s diesel generators malfunctioned as the ship approached the Panama Canal. It lost power briefly. Because it was designed to travel light, it did not have an extensive repair crew or materials on board.
So the captain returned to Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, where the ship sat for a month before it was repaired.
Then there were problems with the ship’s radar system that prevented it from training its guns or detecting airborne threats. The Navy brought in a repair team from Germany, but the fix proved so complex the ship had to return to its home port of Jacksonville, Fla.
Then, as it began its return trip to Jacksonville, the ship’s commanders discovered that the high-speed clutch bearings that enabled its 50-mile-per-hour top speed had broken into tiny bits that were inside the oil.
Finally, the Navy discovered that the sonar system developed especially for these ships didn’t work, and the engines were so loud that it couldn’t detect enemy submarines or torpedoes – the very purpose of these ships. Without that capability, the Navy gave up and announced it was retiring nine of the 10 ships it had deployed, even though they averaged only 4 years old and were designed to last 25 years.
What we’ve had since is a lesson in why these wasteful programs never seem to end.
The folks at the Mayport Naval Station heard about this rare use of the efficiency muscle and moved quickly to return it to its usual atrophied state. A consortium of companies that had just won a $1.3 billion Pentagon contract to repair the ships got together with city leaders and others in Jacksonville to preserve the program and what leaders said was about 2,000 jobs connected to it.
They turned to Congress and went to work to save the program. There was a fly-in of local stakeholders to Washington to lobby Congress. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of campaign contributions rolled in. Within weeks, lawmakers offered amendments to the Pentagon’s annual spending law that prohibited the Navy from retiring five of the ships.
So half the original fleet survived, and others are in the pipeline. The Navy has made some progress with a similar class of ships, which makes lawmakers think these can work as well.
But for once the Navy did the right thing on procurement. It spotted a ship that wasn’t worth it and moved to eliminate it. But politics won out. If we continue to let defense contractors dictate procurement policy, this will continue to be the result.
Now multiply by a thousand procurement and human service programs and that's our "constitutionally bound" Federal government at work.
Gods, the Clitoral Wombat Ship was such a complete clusterfuck. Well, I should say the two classes of Clitoral Wombat Ship were a complete clusterfuck , right from the beginning.
It all started when the Office of Taking Bribes let one of the contractors bidding on the program know what the other bidder had given as an estimate and thus, there was a huge lawsuit, the result of which was that... the Navy built both designs. But only half as many of them. So it wasn't enough to really be an actual "class" of ships, for either design.
The next issue was the Navy's current obsession with shoehorning absolutely as much gee-whiz-bang techno-crap into all of its new ships. Which is why the Zumwalt class doesn't work right and only has three ships, and the new $13B Ford class aircraft carrier doesn't actually work either.
So the Clitoral Wombat Ships have entirely too much going on, don't ride level, don't really work, and don't have enough of them to work out the bugs.
Hopefully they were at least allowed to keep five of the same damned type of Clitoral Wombat Ship when Congress said they couldn't just fucking scrap them.
I especially got a kick out of ...
* The LCS "modularity", intended to use swappable modules to change missions, such as anti-air, anti-sub, anti-mine, anti-common sense.
* The Zumwalt gun's ammo was so expensive that they couldn't afford any, and, being gun shells, had so little explosive content (the bulk being the metal to survive being fired from a gun) that a cruise missile costing the same price has something like 10-100 times the warhead and is more precise and longer-ranged. So the Zumwalt guns have never been operational.
There are many many other problems, but these stand out to me as being well-known before the design phase even began.
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Well, disagreeing with a socialist, especially using facts, certainly strikes terror in their hearts, so I guess it is terrorism.
Good lord…
Like so many articles the last few years, this reminds me of an article I ghost wrote in high school. Our advisor assigned an article that had two entirely incompatible premises. I managed to shoehorn them together using humor and lampshading the ludicrous premise.
This nonsense? How do you even get through it?
Pretending that we have policy debates in the United States. What a joke. We don’t even debate war. We passed a whole series of “emergency relatedd bills” to the tune of over a trillion dollars each – all without even bothering to ask what the money is for beyond the slogan used to describe it.
And casting a politician mentioning that Biden is cloistered away from press and debate as “hardly statesmanlike”? Are you kidding me? Please tell me that was on the list of requirements. Surely you didn’t think that one up yourself….
The farther you guys stray into establishment propaganda, the more ludicrous you sound.
Jeez…. Policy debates for this election cycle….
Aside from the fact that team D has already announced that they aren’t debating anything at all, having fortified the elections to their satisfaction, when is the last time you guys made any choices based on policy positions or actions?
Kennedy is better than Biden on every position on which they differ (from a libertarian prospective), kook or not. The same was true of Trump and Biden, Trump and Clinton, even Romney and Obama. You guys started running hit pieces on DiSantis what… 6 months? A year before he declared?
Policies…. sheesh. What a joke. We outspend the entire Russian military budget on Ukraine by a wide margin… and nobody debates anything at all about it… not even here. Compare the amount of words on why DiSantis shouldn’t engage in culture wars with the amount about spending on an undeclared war in Ukraine… yet which is more important?
Nobody at any level in this country is interested in policy. It is all principals over principles. We aren’t remotely interested in policy debates… at least not in our political parties and not in the press. There, it is all propaganda, all the time.
An exciting new feature of this election cycle is that all of the leading candidates are now just saying out loud that they will not be doing anything to reduce spending on entitlements.
"However, I promise if elected to reduce spending on *everything else*."
The federal government got by on a measly 4 trillion dollars just 5 years ago. Now they think they need to spend 6 or 7 trillion just to get by. Go back to the bloated spending level of 2018 and the budget would be balanced right now.
Heck, stopping the "oh, give us an extra trillion or you are a terrorist who wants babies to die" off-budget spending would be a nice step.....
This is an actual pattern. Compare the annual revenues the annual expenditures from 5 or 6 years prior, going back 40 years or so and this it basically true.
A candidate who said "I will not cut spending on one penny NOR will I approve one penny more in spending than the expenditures of the year prior to my taking office for my term of office." and mean it might just balance the budget, especially if he won a 2nd term on that pledge.
And the reason [Na]tional So[zi]alist Security DOES NOT work ever?
Everyone ends up in a ‘Gun’ (Gov-Gun) battle over the ?free? (actually “armed-theft” STOLEN) pot of gold that should’ve never been STOLEN in the first place. Course STEALING is what Communism and Socialism is all about to begin with. Criminals making up creative words to hide their “armed-theft” actions.
And what is the #1 character attribute of criminals? Pushing blame. PROJECTING. So of course anyone trying to curb their "armed-theft" are "terrorists".
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Of course questioning the debt, or deficit spending, or challenging any government spending, is terrorism. Who else would do such seditious, despicable things?
Too many living off of the ‘gov-gun’ “armed-theft” dole. Which has created a zero-sum resources in the USA. (code-named: Socialism). THAT is what has created all the borrowing and debt.
It’s not that hard to understand. When 20% are directly employed by the monopoly of “armed-theft” government-guns and another 30% of the market is entirely “armed-theft” funded (environmentalism and other BS that wouldn’t survive a *real* market).
There ends up being too many thief’s and not enough producers. When the USA killed it’s manufacturing (actual production) that should’ve been a !!!!-HUGE-!!!! red-flag. Zero production isn’t sustainable. It’s a zero-sum resources, dog-eat-dog, reality.
Socialism is what killed/bankrupted the USA. Nothing more and nothing less. It’s only a matter of time to complete ruin and destruction unless PRODUCTION starts again instead of “armed-theft”. And no-one is going to start producing again until Liberty and Justice is restored and gov-gun "armed-theft" STOPS.
Or in the most simplest and blunt terms: OBEY THE US CONSTITUTION (the very definition of the USA) instead of building a treasonous Nazi-Empire with chants of [WE] nazi-mob RULES democracy. The USA is not and never has been defined as a "democracy" ( THE LIE of the LEFT ). It is a Constitutional Union of Constitutional Republican States. It's right there in the very definition Article IV;Section 2.
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