Atlanta Plans To Blow $230 Million on 2-Mile Extension of Useless Streetcar
That's more than $21,000 per foot. And the tab doesn't include operating costs, which taxpayers will also heavily subsidize.

What is already arguably America's worst public transit project is about to get a whole lot more expensive.
The Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority (MARTA) is moving ahead with plans to build a 2-mile extension to the city's 2.7-mile streetcar line, with an estimated price tag of $230 million. The Center Square reports that the first batch of that new spending—an $11.5 million contract awarded to a firm that will design the extension—was doled out last week. The project is being funded by a half-cent increase in the Atlanta sales tax, and the extension is scheduled to open in 2028.
Even if the extension doesn't go over budget, $230 million for two miles of new streetcar track works out to a slobber-knocking total of $21,700 per foot.
And that only covers the construction costs. If the current Atlanta Streetcar is any indication, most of the operating costs for the extension will be covered by people who never ride it. The existing 2.7-mile loop through downtown Atlanta gets about 158,000 riders per year. Even if all of them pay the $1 per ride fare—and there is ample evidence that many do not—that wouldn't come close to covering the system's $5 million annual operating cost.
City officials say the extension—which will connect the streetcar to a nearby series of walking and biking trails in the middle of Atlanta—will increase ridership. But that shouldn't be a sufficient justification for dumping another $230 million into a project that has plainly failed.
As Reason's Zach Weissmuller detailed in a documentary last year, the Atlanta Streetcar is comically out of date. It moves at 5 miles per hour and stops every quarter mile, making it no faster than the horse-drawn railways that crisscrossed cities in the 19th century.
And that's when it runs at all. "It's often stuck in traffic. Ridership has been anemic," reports The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "In November, MARTA took the streetcar vehicles out of service because of safety concerns, though it began restoring rail service along the route last month."
With a plethora of cheaper, faster, better transportation alternatives now available, it's no wonder that so few people are choosing to ride the Atlanta Streetcar. Dumping another $230 million into a pointless extension of a useless service won't change that.
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In my city, Omaha, NE they are building a streetcar and voters never got to vote on it. We would not have voted for it.
Hey, are you going to deny progressive city planners their rail fetish orgasms?
City planner incels can masturbate to this instead:
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/lets-convert-the-loop-trolley-into-a-rolling-bathroom-38690803
Oooh, I like this idea. Maybe Albuquerque can follow this model for their shitty public transportation project as well.
"The SHART Project"
Ok that was funny.
Does 10% of the design fee go to the big guy?
Free markets! Don't interfere with them!
In Atlanta the grift is race. All projects have a set-aside for cronies and racial quotas for contracts. (Or at least they traditionally have.... I have been out of the loop for a minute and don't know anything about this specific project)
Hunter has already negotiated the fee.
King County [Seattle] created a board to decide how to spend $50,000,000 on homelessness. They filled the board with homeless people. It went exactly how you'd expect.
Once again, Seattle proves that it's almost entirely peopled by ideas that are so dumb only intellectuals believe them.
That isn't how I expected it. I'd figured there be a small disagreement on two line items, that'd be quickly ironed out; how much to spend on booze and how much on dope.
I like that last sentence. An accurate statement if ever there was one.
This is not a public transportation project. It is a tourism project.
Atlanta has a long history of this. Underground Atlanta has been a favorite boondoggle for decades. They drop a few million every few years when the shine wears off.
Also, stadiums and convention centers are a big thing.
They have actually had good success with the convention business, so they are just trying to capitalize on that by expanding tourism beyond the high end restaurants and high rise hotels.
That was my thinking. I don't see how a 4.7 mile train line running at 5 MPH qualifies as public transportation. I'm guessing the number of people who use it to get to work could be counted on 1 hand. If such a person even exists. If the city can show that the tourist traffic increases sales tax revenue or something greater than the cost they should make that case. Not that I would believe them.
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Mass transit that crawls at 5 MPH is obviously useless. What's needed is traffic priority and better routing.
Perhaps Reason will at some point report on the average ROI for every dollar spent on streets and highways - which, of course, most users don't pay to use, either.
Yeah, 5 mph is ridiculous. Why is it that slow? Does all the traffic on streets in the area move that slowly? Get it up to 30 mph and it will have riders. But for that to happen the "streetcars" can't really run in the street with other traffic. They need dedicated rights-of-way. Those can be parallel to city streets, or even amount to just dedicated lanes on the street, but they have to be separated from other traffic. And they can't have to stop for red lights every block.
How many billions do we waste yearly on your masters' oil supporting projects?
Perhaps it would work better too if it had light timing and a full fledged light rail system tying into it.
Far better than cars choking the city everywhere. but hey, you can't go against that because you gotta slob that Koch knob.
You mean the road infrastructure that's paid for with fuel taxes and that people actually use? Doesn't sound like a waste to me.
But if you truly believe so, then simply stop using anything that traveled by truck. I promise your concerns will be over shortly.
" From each according to his ability; To each according to his needs."
Atlanta tourism slogan
It's the streetcar they desire.
A desire named streetcar?
The ATL streetcar is a slow moving homeless shelter. Naturally, the city can't wait to dump more money into it.
I remember when the Streetcar was proposed, there were actually some questions raised about it...What is it supposed to accomplish? What will it cost? Why are we building it again?
"It's Federal money. We can't turn Federal Money down. Also, it will create hundreds of jobs." - was the actual answer provided by local officials.
The St. Louis one had 0 riders, was costing a fortune to operate and was occasionally blamed for hitting improperly parked passenger vehicles. The argument against shutting it down forever was that if we did, we might have to return the federal grant money.
Luckily, COVID gave us a convenient excuse to stop the bleeding for a bit. But that pause expired the minute the federal emergency declaration did.
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
I have a better one. My neighboring town just spent about a million dollars to refurbish an overpass that was originally built to bridge railroad tracks that no longer exist, to a school and residential development that no longer exist. A literal Bridge to Nowhere™.
I rode the streetcar on the day it was dedicated, and not since. The tracks are in busy streets and get blocked by traffic and idiot drivers. Luckily I don't live in the city and have to pay tax to support this.
Streetcars made sense once when busses were not yet available.
But rubber tires, and ready use of gasoline meant that the tyranny of a fixed route was no longer needed. Cities dumped street cars because they were far inferior to the modern options which became available 100 years ago.
To go backward for the sake of nostalgia (think of Biden's train fascination) is simply nuts.
Spend your local dollars to your heart's content. But let's not use federal dollars for silly pet projects.
All perfectly sensible points, Hence, ignored.
Never Forget: Reason advocates nationalizing all Interstate truck stops.
I don't remember seeing that one.
https://reason.com/2021/04/09/why-cant-you-buy-a-starbucks-on-the-interstate/
Congress forbid? Shouldn’t that be Congress forbade?
That's hardly about "nationalizing all truck stops". It's about building service areas on toll-free interstates similar to the ones on toll highways. If toll "authorities" can rent space to businesses, why can state Departments of Transportation do the same?
How do you get "nationalizing truck stops" out of an article supporting repeal of a federal law that prohibits truck stops? SMH.
They already make busses that look like trolleys down to the uncomfortable wooden seats. It would be a lot cheaper to buy some of them.
For 230 million dollars, you could buy 10,000 people Honda Civics, and they wouldn't need to take public transportation.
The only public transport I've really liked was the 16th street mall in Denver. They run fareless hop on hop off busses every few minutes. It works really well.
Haven't seen the Atlanta streetcars. But the regular Atlanta Metro has been packed with riders when I have visited.
The streetcar systems in Denver and Houston seemed to be ignored. But the ones in Los Angeles seemed to be packed all the time.
Anyone got stats on this? I ride the NYC subways which are by far the most used in the US. I also rode the Mexico City subways last summer which make the NYC subways look like the Houston streetcars by comparison.
Remember this: Every transit boondoggle that has ever been built with federal funds could have been stopped by the leagues of professionals in the Federal Transit Administration, but wasn’t.
Just talk to the people of Commiefornia about their L.A. to Frisco fast track.
This sounds no different than Jerry Brown’s high speed rail boondoggle between L.A. and Frisco….that never happened. Billions spent, wasted and grifted not a single rail was ever laid. The people of Atlanta will come to regret spending all that money on a useless and outmoded form of transport. But hey, it makes us look cool in the eyes of the “just stop oil” crowd. Maybe the city fathers of Atlanta can get Scoldilocks aka Greta the Grim to dedicate the new service.
Pikers!
SF spent 14 years and ~$2Bn to build a 1.7m partial subway.
"...Deemed a boondoggle by detractors from the jump and even labeled the “Central Circus” by one of its staunch proponents, the mega-project is four years late and $375 million—and counting—over budget. An independent watchdog working on behalf of the federal government had so many concerns it called the Nov. 19 opening date “optimistic” in a September report..."
https://sfstandard.com/transportation/san-francisco-central-subway-375-million-over-budget-union-square-chinatown/
As dumb as this may be, there is still an outside chance that it makes the current system better. That isn't good but it in the competition of stupid transit dollars it is nothing compared to California High Speed Rail. That is an incompetent waste to the point of being evil. In a State where people are rotting in the streets, they are wasting billions on a fast train, for rich riders that goes nowhere. It is an obvious awful deal and a scam and leaders won't admit it and stop the waste. The Emperor's New Clothes being played out right in front of us.