The Absence of a 'Carmageddon' After the Philadelphia Bridge Collapse Doesn't Prove Highways Are Useless
The closure of I-95 is a teachable moment. But highway critics are learning the wrong lesson from it.

The collapse of the I-95 bridge in Philadelphia has provided a great teachable moment about the phenomenon of induced demand. Sadly, many people are learning the wrong lesson from the episode.
When the bridge collapsed earlier this month, forcing a section of the urban highway to close to traffic, transportation officials and the media predicted nightmarish traffic to be the result. This didn't happen.
As a recent Vice article by Aaron Gordon notes, traffic backed up in some areas near the closed highway, but otherwise people switched to alternate routes, took transit (Philadelphia's transit agency saw ridership rise 14 percent), traveled at different times, or didn't travel at all.
Gordon describes the lack of disaster as a result of "induced demand."
This is the idea that increases in road capacity lead people to travel more. The implication is that wider highways don't necessarily lead to faster travel times. According to Gordon, the lack of a "Carmageddon" is evidence of the phenomenon in reverse: road capacity shrank, driving fell, and traffic stayed about the same.
Over at Streetsblog, Joe Cortright uses this insight about why a carpocalypse didn't materialize in Philadelphia to argue that we should stop expanding highways and that we could generally do with fewer of them.
"Highway departments claim that if we don't build more roadways, traffic and congestion will increase without limit and we'll face hours and hours of delay. In reality, that never happens because people adapt their travel behavior to the available transportation system," wrote Cortright. "More capacity generates more travel, more sprawl, more pollution, and ultimately more congestion. It's time to get off this treadmill."
This is a confusing takeaway for a couple of reasons.
First, even though a traffic disaster didn't follow the bridge collapse disaster, travelers in Philadelphia are still worse off.
The public transit and alternate routes that people took instead of I-95 existed before the road was closed. People didn't take them because they presumably took longer, were less convenient, or had some other cost that made traveling on the interstate preferable. The same is true for people who chose not to travel at all. The rising hassle of driving means that they've lost whatever benefits they would have gotten from the trips they now aren't taking.
There's a net welfare loss to society happening here. Conversely, when cars fill up the reopened I-95 bridge, that will be evidence that travelers' lives are getting better.
It's a similar story with highway expansions generally. The fact that they fill up with traffic shows that there was unmet demand for highway travel that's now being served.
The existence of induced demand (latent demand would be a better term) is a point in favor of highways and road capacity, not against them.
That doesn't mean every highway widening is a good idea or every existing highway is worth its costs.
"There are locations where the cost of adding freeway capacity may significantly exceed the benefits to highway customers," wrote Bob Poole, director of transportation policy for the Reason Foundation (which publishes this website) in 2019. "When that is the case…the solution is to implement congestion pricing. And in some of those cases, the additional revenue from pricing may be high enough to make the capacity addition feasible."
Similarly, if the dislocations from a closed urban freeway are so minimal as to be insignificant, then it could be the case that the costs of maintaining or rebuilding it aren't worth it.
That doesn't seem to be the case in Philadelphia.
The first travelers across the reopened I-95 today were a bunch of Philly sports mascots. People seem to think being able to use the bridge again is something to celebrate.
The Philly mascots were the first to cross the reopened I-95 bridge.
What a city.https://t.co/l5xzzEgSvg
— Barstool Philly (@BarstoolPhilly) June 23, 2023
The Phillie Phanatic seems to have grasped a point that's eluded some highway critics. Yes, induced demand is a real thing, but it's also a good thing.
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"When that is the case the solution is to implement congestion pricing." Not just no, but HELL no! While it might be reasonable for a commercial entity to implement pricing to maximize profits, the government is not and should not be a commercial entity. Leaving aside for a moment the point that the government should not own and operate highways, trains or passenger buses in the first place (they DO own and operate them) it's not their job to optimize travel for anyone. If you don't like traffic jams, the solution is not to vote for government to provide better travel options for you. Once we all realize that it should not have been government's job in the first place the "solution" is to privatize the highways, trains and buses, not for government to find another way to tax people at higher rates.
As much as I hate the idea, the concept isn't in pursuit of maximizing profits, but rather to scale demand. Surge pricing for Uber isn't just about making more profit, it's about reducing demand to available capacity.
Obviously, in the case of government roads, such fees should be used to then increase capacity. And yes, all of this ignores the "government shouldn't be in the road business anyway" aspect of things.
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I get what you’re saying.
But I disagree. Surge pricing for Uber is ALL about maximizing profits.
The offshoot of this is that more drivers will want to work during high profit times, increasing capacity, and fewer during low profit times. But that’s secondary to using the very direct data they get from real-time usage to get the most profit from any given supply and demand.
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OK, I see your point. That may have been a dumb example on my part.
"But I disagree. Surge pricing for Uber is ALL about maximizing profits."
Surge pricing is just a superior tool to do good business. Yes, that drives higher profits, and that ought to be the goal of a good company, but the surge pricing isn't solely to drive profits but to supply demand.
Nazi is wrong that the purpose of Surge Pricing is to "reduce demand". The point of Surge pricing is to INCREASE SUPPLY. Remember that Uber is just a market. The suppliers are independent contractors. Surge Pricing happens when a special event substantially increases demand. The normal ride fees are not high enough to bring in enough drivers to meet that demand. The higher fees are supported because at this time, demand is relatively inelastic. These people are all sitting in front of the stadium waiting to go home. They need a ride, even if the price goes up. So Uber bumps the price of ride fees to entice more drivers to put up with the crowd and distances involved.
Pricing is a signal and congestion pricing is a fine way to impart information to customers and suppliers. This is irrespective of a profit motive.
Government manages to find excuses to raise taxes "in the public interest" but it always ends up being a higher tax anyway. In this particular case "surge pricing" is supposed to move traffic from peak periods to off-peak periods or to other modes of transportation which is a form of discrimination against the people who can afford to pay tolls least. And the money never seems to end up going to "increase capacity" and, as the article points out, it is almost impossible to increase capacity in already high-density urban regions and when they can, it simply increases use to higher levels again causing congestion.
"the government should not own and operate highways, trains or passenger buses in the first place "
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Someone should remind her of the massive national highway projects of the 1950s thanks to Eisenhower.
But you can still get your kicks on Route 66...
I'm confused. What is the government in a democracy if not the will of the people. Do they really have no business setting up common services they want?!
You're not confused. You're willful.
Typical troll, playing dumb then setting up strawmen.
*I'm* confused. When did you get to vote on "setting up common services"? Because I sure never saw that on MY ballot.
That has to go down as one of the most expensive boondoggles ever, right next to the F-35.
Yep, the train from almost LA to almost SF that cost billions that no one will ride is a triumph of the popular will
You mean the train that might someday go from 90 mintes from L.A. to 2+ hours from SF (90 minutes if they push it up to Modesto instead of Fresno), not accounting for traffic?
If they ever actually finish it, the cost projections are at least $100Billion at this point, and since they're now planning to use existing freight tracks in some areas, the 200mph capable trains will be limited to 75mph in actual use.
It's true that nobody will ride it, except for maybe Gavin Newsom one time, for the same reason that Howard Hughes flew the Spruce Goose once.
It's looking like we may have a real 150-175mph train from L.A. to Vegas in 5-10 years courtesy of the private sector though. I'd love to have the contract to supply the bar cars on those trains with liquor for the first 10 years.
"I’m confused. What is the government in a democracy if not the will of the people."
Mob Rule, baby! Mob Rule!
Now ask about Constitutionally Limited Republics. Or is that also too confusing?
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Wait, isn't it the Feds job to own the interstates? I can see state roads not owned but Interstates. Isn't that what Government should be for infrastructure instead of how many imaginary genders there is?
"Over at Streetsblog, Joe Cortright uses this insight about why a carpocalypse didn't materialize in Philadelphia to argue that we should stop expanding highways and that we could generally do with fewer of them."
I suggest that Joe show us the way by swearing off all highway and vehicle use. Until he does that he can STFU (and maybe check out a wood chipper contest).
I think we’re close to that time when Ole Joe gets sent to live on a farm (tossed under a bus), as always was the plan.
https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod/status/1672336248646799361?t=AQarNJ23vphgKGlOazAIIw&s=19
This is damning
The woman whose job it is is to lie on behalf of Joe Biden is now unwilling to do so. Biden is clearly guilty of taking bribes in Ukraine. The evidence is overwhelming.
Whew, John Kirby is also unwilling
This is wild
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NFW that Team D shows POTUS Biden the door. He has to go out feet first for them to switch candidates.
Not like they haven't done it before.
Ok, I'll bite. Who did team D replace? LBJ?
Who did you have in mind?
Lautenberg replaced Torricelli in NJ (Torricelli had ethics issues) AFTER the deadline to replace candidates.
NJ Supreme Court, of course, signed off on it. And SCOTUS, as usual, refused to hear it.
Problem is they made that plan before they realized what a shitshow their designated survivor (Kamala Harris) is. Now that it's undeniable, they have to drag Biden's corpse at least through the 2024 election, or actually put the primary in the hands of the Dem party membership and risk having a candidate who doesn't have a son that deducted the cost of hiring prostitutes on a tax return and lied on a DROS application to purchase a firearm (which eventually found its way in to a dumpster near a public school), and those are just the charges the A-USA chose not to drop outright.
BTW, who is the guy in the photo standing behind Biden? Did the Democrats want to include the constituency of homeless people who live under urban freeways?
I think he is the sign language guy.
He is United States Senator John Fetterman D-PA Yeah, the one that had a stroke during his election campaign and after he was elected, he checked himself into the hospital with depression.
He had an opportunity to speak during one of the many, many self-congratulatory news conferences the political class staged pertaining to the bridge work. It was not pretty.
Never mind that, what's the trailer behind them for?
When the bridge collapsed earlier this month, forcing a section of the urban highway to close to traffic, transportation officials and the media predicted nightmarish traffic to be the result. This didn't happen.
How could anyone tell?
Glenn Greenwald breaks down the state of Ukraine Offensive, citing CNN.
I already asked this earlier this week, but I’ll ask it again:
Is this going to be another example of some of us not being right, it’s just that “facts” changed?
Of course?
The Ukraine offensive was a disaster, as anybody with a brain could predict since they were attacking well fortified positions without surprise, air cover, or capable anti air defenses.
But now Prigozhin and his Wagner army have confused the situation entirely. He accused the Russian MoD of attacking their camp and is (supposedly) marching his 25k men to Moscow to take out the defense minister. No firm news yet, but tons of excited speculation.
"May you live in interesting times" indeed.
Well then, it appears it’s going better than I thought. Let’s give another billion to Ukraine, the defeat of Russia is hinging on it.
If you build it, they will drive.
And create economic value, instead of being stuck at home.
Instead of wider highways, let's just make narrower cars. Hello Yugo.
Now there's a world class automobile ....yessiree.
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https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1672344459231780864?t=DU70dU2ygDQwZ57K4f4c7Q&s=19
“Kevin McCarthy and other members of Republican leadership say they will not be impeaching Biden because they don’t want to stoop to democrats level.”
But kneeling will be allowed. As usual.
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They will not be impeaching Biden because they don't have the votes. Don't pretend otherwise.
OK, this is accurate. I guess one needs to keep appearances up.
Two thoughts on this...
1. It's a good thing that people see the Republican leadership for what they actually are. The loyal opposition.
2. Garland, Mayorkas and Christopher Wray need to be impeached way more than Biden. He's a corrupt old fuck, but taking bribes is pretty far down on the list.
Just think, if they followed all state, local, and federal regulations, and workers abided by union rules, we wouldn't be reading this article until about November.
Ok, now do the bullet train to nowhere in Cali. Yeah, again, why not? They revived this zombie horse yet again so now it's our duty to kill it by any means necessary, again. Fucking zombie dead horses.
Everyday is carmageddon, how can you tell the difference?
The author clearly doesn't live in any US urban area, or is so numbed by the usual traffic as to have lost sight of how bad things are.
That said, there IS a lesson here. Government, when led and staffed by competent people, can address crises well. Rerouting took place almost immediately. SEPTA had added service within hours of the disaster. And the temporary fix and reopen was much faster than anyone had the right to expect. There was a similar disaster on I-95 in Bridgeport, CT in 2004 that resulted in an even quicker reopen but CT had the benefit of having had a large number of contractors on site working on previously planned repairs; PA had no such luck but still got things up and running in less than two weeks. Kudos to Gov. Shapiro and everyone under him.
Moscow Glenn is at it again.
Hahaha, I love how butt hurt you fucks are that one of your own actually has principles.
Defending free government highways seems like a weird hill to die on for a libertarian publication. Let me guess. Government roads good. Government trains bad?
Totally agree on congestion charging. We can use it to pay for the trains.
Q: Where is there a "free government highway"?
A: Nowhere. No government highway is "free".
Good half-point -- Congestion pricing should be used to reduce gasoline taxes. By forcing such projects to be revenue-neutral, we'd remove the dollar signs from politicians eyes and maybe they'd calibrate tolls to actually alleviate congestion.
However, as long as politicians are able to monkey around with tolls to maximize revenue and exempt well-connected constituencies, I'll oppose "demand" tolling projects even while defending the basic economics principles behind the libertarian versions of them that craven politicians will never deliver.
@Anastasia My point exactly. Should’ve said “free” government highways.
During Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown's 1st two terms, 1975-1983, as governor of California "More capacity generates more travel, more sprawl, more pollution, and ultimately more congestion" was the guiding philosophy of Caltrans headed by Adriana Gianturco. The state's urban area growth rate hardly slowed. Commute times got to the point that the public outrage overcame Moonbeam's support for Gianturco. During this period Caltrans wanted to to widen the 580 freeway in Dublin Canyon; however, the watermelons held the project up with lawsuits. The congestion on alternate routes got so bad that congressman Pete Stark negotiated a settlement between the watermelons & the state. To prevent any more roadblocks the settlement was codified in federal law. The deal resulted concrete roadwayfor all the design lanes & laying a thick layer of asphalt over the number 2 lane in each direction. The no. 1 lane was designated as an HOV lane. The experiment was a total failure. For years the right lanes were a parking lot & the HOV lane empty during morning and evening commutes. At the time there was very little employment opportunities in the Tri-Valley. The biggest employers were LLNL & Sandia in Livermore. It was years of this BS that finally got congressman Pete Stark to introduce & get passed a revision to the law that appropriated money to grind off the asphalt & re-stripe. Even today you con see the remnants of the asphalt in the no.2 lanes.
Note: At best the "if you don't expand urban highways traffic & urban sprawl will be impeded. The SF Bay Area's experience puts a lie to that philosophy.
1. Do you get paid by the word?
2. Try paragraphs next time.
3. The gratuitous insult of Gov. Brown was pointless as he had nothing to do with anything you wrote about. Just like writing "During Ronald "Alzheimers" Reagan's term in office..."
The insistence to not cover the Biden corruption here has reached the level of ludicrousness.
It's pretty amazing. I'm not even mad, I'm impressed.
The real reason for the I-95 collapse was Philadelphia's insistence on cheese whizz as a construction adhesive
There’s a net welfare loss to society happening here.
That is an insane and illogical takeaway. Called assuming the conclusion. The only ‘welfare loss’ is to those drivers a)who had no choice but to drive that route and b)who took longer to drive the alternate. You can not just assume that all else remained equal because it didn’t. Some restaurant/etc on that alternate route got additional sales because of the additional traffic. Further – the bridge doesn’t just magically self-repair for free. That costs society real money and unlike the bridge being destroyed it also involves a choice. And I seriously doubt anyone is advocating that we leave the bridge destroyed.
Which gets us to the whole problem with this framing. This is a utilitarian approach. Worse, it is a utilitarian approach where one side is just ignored. Which makes it a great way to advance cronyism and special interests
Finally this really isn’t an example of induced demand which is two separate things with different time-frames. The first is some trips that wouldn’t have happened without that empty highway. And yes I suppose this might be seen as that sub-thing in reverse.
More important (by far) is that Marchetti’s constant kicks in. People adapt to their conditions and make much bigger decisions than just a single trip. People move further away from their main commute so that the time spent commuting remains constant. Once the highway fills up because people are driving more miles, people’s commute time rises beyond what they expected. So they demand more highways and more highway capacity. With the BS logic from above – that no one loses and they win therefore ‘society’ is better off.
Highways Are Useless
I'll take "arguments nobody is making" for $100, Alex.
We're on the highway to hell...
There is imo a takeaway that can be made here but it involves city grid systems not highways. That is where there is a desire - by residents - to eliminate through traffic and rat runs. Not by destroying a bridge but by forcing through traffic off some grid and onto other grid rather than letting google decide where the rat run is this second while the neighborhood has no say in the matter.
The value of a grid network is that it allows for near infinite choices of route. The problem is that some traffic is incompatible with others (in a deadly kill-you way). This issue shows that you don't need 'choices less than near-infinity' before problems happen. You only need 'a few more choices than a single highway'. This is exactly the mindset of the Dutch from the 1970's as they built/maintained transport infrastructure esp in cities.
Because Chicago burned down after the invention of the automobile, when they rebuilt (hence the 'Second City' nickname) they built the streets in a grid pattern. As the city expanded and the suburbs grew, that grid spread outward. Virtually all of the streets in Chicago are in a grid and it continues miles out into the suburbs. There are also three interstates (90/94, 55, and 290) that run to the north, south, and west.
If you have ever been to Chicago, you know the interstates (especially the Eisenhower/290, which goes to the west suburbs) are always packed. There are many, many, many other options due to the grid pattern of the streets, but they don't really help.
A grid pattern of streets might seem like it should make a difference, but in practice it doesn't help with congestion.
Nothing helps with congestion if you only have one road network and one mode of transport.
The grid system long predates the auto, the fire, and Chicago. It goes back to the first cities. Further Chicago was ALWAYS a grid system. The only thing the fire affected re streets there was that many of them were WOOD covered. Which is irrelevant re a grid design system.
The reason cities (worldwide – not just Chicago) first expanded in the late 19th century was because of streetcars. Streetcars (as are bikes and peds and horses and buses and other stuff that stops more frequently than car commuters) are compatible with a grid system. So the grid expanded as the design for those streets and because of Marchetti’s constant it allowed people to move further from their urb to that newfangled sub-urb. Had nothing to do with the car which came later.
The car is incompatible with the grid system but even then only with the Model A where the max speed rose above 30 or so where the speed of that car becomes incompatible with peds, bikes, horses, streetcars, buses that stop, cars/trucks that park, etc. The car killed the streetcar and everything else ‘grid’. But the streetcar suburbs kept their grid.
The reason cars or longer distance traffic stays on the highway is because cars and grids are incompatible – in both directions. Everything that cars don’t like is prohibited on the highway. And yet the grids still allow cars everywhere with only signs/paints/cops stopping them.
"The grid system long predates the auto, the fire, and Chicago."
The grid for the city? Sure. The continuation of the grid throughout the surrounding suburbs, so you can get on one street in Chicago and drive it for the next 50 miles west? That isn't the case where I live now, on the east coast. While the cities and their suburbs largely follow the grid pattern (which was a response to the automobile, which struggled with turns that horses had no problem with), they don't line up with each other. Is that because of the more extensive rivers and streams of the east coast, where more mountainous terrain creates the need for more bridges? You've got me. But the north/south/west continuation of surface streets in Chicago is much more extemsive and regular than any other place I've lived.
"The reason cars or longer distance traffic stays on the highway is because cars and grids are incompatible"
Apparently I misread your original point. I thought you were saying that a grid alleviated some congestion by providing alternative paths with similar drive times.
Geography will break up the grid but the initial expansion of city by grid is because of the streetcar (and the 'interurban' - aka 'light rail' - between cities) not the automobile. Here’s a streetcar map of Chicago of 1937. The Midwest has no geography other than flat – but its the streetcar (public transport – which does work with grid system) that allowed for serious expansion of the city right into the township survey system for rural areas (a grid with roads every mile or so) that dates back to the Northwest Ordinance (1787) for all land west of the Appalachians.
1937 is about the time that Ludwig Hilberseimer (who invented the hierarchical ‘suburb’ system and who also hated cities – ‘more a necropolis than a metropolis, a sterile landscape of asphalt and cement, inhuman in every respect.’) left Germany for – Chicago. Which is also the time that more widespread car ownership began to kill off streetcars (the Model A generation and later). Which meant that all the people who had moved out to the ‘streetcar suburbs’ were now killing off the transit system that had enabled them to move further out. And about the time Robert Moses began to destroy (literally) city grid from the outside in (those streetcar suburbs) via what he called ‘parkways’ (aka highways).
Post-WW2 is when all con/destruction becomes car-oriented, highway/hierarchical, suburb/sprawl. The streetcar is lost to history now but it is still the source of the conflict between R1 and mixed zoning – and between public transit and private cars over who ‘owns the streets’.
You are, bless your heart, a moron.
All cities have grid layouts, until physical geography breaks it up. Rivers, hills, beaches, etc.
The Chicago fire was long before cars became popular.
The Second City name refers back to when they were behind only NYC in population and prestige, before LA’s rapid growth
Please stop giving history and civics lessons
"There are locations where the cost of adding freeway capacity may significantly exceed the benefits to highway customers". Perhaps, but how in earth can one know in advance of building / widening a road?
Um…..traffic surveys?
If you look at the area around the bridge collapse (I-95 where Cottman crosses underneath), you'll see there was already a lot of construction on the on/off ramps there and the next interchange south of it. Traffic had (probably) already adjusted, and there are a lot of ways around this area.
Still though, I give props to Shapiro. It got done quick.
Also, the 24/7 camera was truly inspired thinking. That should become a standard for things like this.
I was shocked at how many people were watching that livestream. From all over the country. I wonder if Brett Bellmore was one of them. He’s a civil engineer, right?
I will also say there is no way Phailing Phil could ever get something like this done in the People's Republic of NJ. No way, no how.
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"there was already a lot of construction on the on/off ramps there and the next interchange south of it."
Unicorn, that bridge was in the middle of a huge resurfacong and rebuilding project that just ended. It went well north and south of the Cottman exit. The bridge that collapsed was, at most, four years old.
Of course the bridge that collapsed had to be one of the ones that were recently refurbished instead of one of the ones that weren't. We can't have nice things.
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When government builds highways with tax dollars, that is a sunk cost for taxpayers, and that does induce demand.
The only way to know whether highways actually make sense to is to have private businesses build them and finance them through tolls.
It is not a libertarian policy for government to build road with tax dollars and then selectively introduce "congestion pricing".
I disagree. What about your neighborhood roads? Does your HOA pay for that?
Fed should build roads for interstates. Same as they did for railways. Cities for the towns. That's one of the few things government should do.
What about rural areas? I guess they shouldn't have roads, power, etc right because most of the time it's government that builds the roads.? Or if the area is poor with few business - oh well.
Congestion pricing not a fan but understand. Not one commented on that the more electric cars the less gasoline tax dollars (That are supposed to be for roads). Good times.
Barely touched on in the article is “traveled at different times”. This is the single largest component of “induced demand” — Not the total number of vehicles (which does change), but the distribution over time.
If traffic will be predictably bad over a certain time range, then lots of people will make the effort to avoid those hours. Add a lane, and for one shining commute day, traffic will be lighter — And then people will make less effort, avoiding fewer hours. The jam will be back almost immediately, but it may span 2.5 hours instead of 3.
So now you know where all the extra cars came from to fill that fourth lane — They didn’t come from “where” so much as from *when*.
That's the logic behind the uni-directional express lanes that switch directions with demand. Put three lanes in between the two main highways and open them into the city during morning rush and out of the city during evening rush. Even without charging (which some do) it makes a difference. And they last longer with lower maintainence costs, since when demand is low they are closed in both directions. It strikes me as a pretty smart solution.
If an apartment building burns down but all the tenants successfully relocate, was that proof that homelessness and the affordable housing "crisis" don't exist?
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For entertainment purposes Reason should include the remarks by Fetterman.
Indistinguishable from remarks from Biden. Good thing Kamala wasn't there.
The Three Stooges.......
I was North of Philly when this happened. I had to take I95 to the Airport. With the road closed, Google took me thru some areas that have seen much much ..much better days. It also made those narrow one way streets less safe and caused more backups. I'm surprised I made my flight, and have my organs. It was a rental so I didn't care about that.
In Houston or a little South, yeah which close I45 or make is smaller. When a Hurricane hits you only need to evacuate 3 days ahead already, likes go for 5 (maybe they will open contra lanes next time). It took 12 hours to get away.