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Artificial Intelligence

The A.I. Defamation Cases Are Here: ChatGPT Sued for Spreading Misinformation

Plus: Age-verification laws threaten our First Amendment right to anonymity, New York bill would set minimum prices for nail services, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 6.7.2023 9:34 AM

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A Georgia man is suing the makers of ChatGPT for defamation. In a new lawsuit filed in Gwinnett County, Georgia, Mark Walters alleges that OpenAI, the company behind the popular artificial intelligence (A.I.) chatbot ChatGPT, is guilty of publishing libelous information about him. The first-of-its-kind lawsuit brings up novel issues regarding A.I.'s liability for spreading misinformation.

The case stems from reporting that journalist Fred Riehl is doing about a Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) lawsuit against Bob Ferguson, Washington state's attorney general. Alan Gottlieb is one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit.

Riehl linked to SAF's complaint and asked ChatGPT to summarize. It allegedly responded that the complaint was "filed by Alan Gottlieb … against Mark Walters, who is accused of defrauding and embezzling funds from the SAF." The ChatGPT summary continued by stating that Walters was the group's treasurer and chief financial officer and that he had "misappropriated funds for personal expenses without authorization or reimbursement, manipulated financial records and bank statements to conceal his activities, and failed to provide accurate and timely financial reports and disclosures," per Walters' complaint.

ChatGPT was wrong across the board. Walters is neither a plaintiff nor a defendant in the lawsuit. He never served as SAF's treasurer or chief financial officer. And he has not been legally accused of any crimes against SAF.

"ChatGPT's allegations concerning Walters were false and malicious, expressed in
print, writing, pictures, or signs, tending to injure Walter's reputation and exposing
him to public hatred, contempt, or ridicule," states Walters' complaint. "By sending the allegations to Riehl, OAI published libelous matter regarding Walters."

Furthermore, Walters alleges that OpenAI is aware that ChatGPT "sometimes makes up facts" and therefore "knew or should have known its communication to Riehl regarding Walters was false, or recklessly disregarded the falsity of the communication."

But there's a difference between a company knowing that an artificial intelligence tool can make mistakes and a company knowing that the A.I. tool would make a specific mistake. OpenAI being aware that ChatGPT sometimes errs seems spurious grounds to claim that it knew or should have known ChatGPT would provide false information about Walters. And it seems even more dubious to allege that OpenAI acted with malicious intent here.

And Riehl, the journalist, didn't end up publishing any of the false information about Walters, which makes it harder to argue that Walter was harmed by ChatGPT's mistake.

So does Walters' case have any legal merit?

Law professor and blogger Eugene Volokh suggests that "such libel claims are in principle legally viable. But this particular lawsuit should be hard to maintain."

Volokh—who has an upcoming paper on libel and A.I. output (a draft of which can be read here)—notes that when it comes to speech about matters of public interest or concern, defamation liability generally arises only when one of two things can be shown: that a defendant knew a statement was untrue (or likely untrue) but recklessly disregarded this fact or that the person being defamed is a private figure who suffered actual damages (things like a loss of income or business opportunities) because of an untrue statement that the defendant was negligent in making.

In this case, "it doesn't appear from the complaint that Walters put OpenAI on actual notice that ChatGPT was making false statements about him, and demanded that OpenAI stop that, so theory 1 is unavailable," writes Volokh.

And there seem to be no allegations of actual damages—presumably Riehl figured out what was going on, and thus Walters lost nothing as a result—so theory 2 is unavailable. (Note that Mark Walters might be a public figure, because he's a syndicated radio talk show host; but even if he is a private figure, that just potentially opens the door to recovery under theory 2 if he can show actual damages, and again that seems unlikely given the allegations in the complaint.)

Now I suppose that Walters could argue that OpenAI knows that ChatGPT often does publish false statements generally (it does, and indeed has acknowledged that), even if it didn't know about the false statements about Walters in particular. But I don't think this general knowledge is sufficient, just like you can't show that a newspaper had knowledge or recklessness as to falsehood just because the newspaper knows that some of its writers sometimes make mistakes. For liability in such cases (again, absent actual damages to a private figure), there has to be a showing that the allegedly libelous "statement was made with 'actual malice'—that is, with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not." And here no-one at OpenAI knew about those particular false statements, at least unless Walters had notified OpenAI about them.

Jess Miers, a lawyer with the business group Chamber of Progress, addresses some other potential concerns about the case, such as whether Section 230—the law protecting online platforms from some legal liability for content derived from third parties—will factor in. Because the underlying complaint doesn't make a plausible case for defamation, Miers "can see the complaint failing without needing to even reach the 230 issues," she tweeted yesterday.

Remember: Section 230 is a defense. But before we even reach 230, we have to ask whether the complaint is viable in the first place. Here, it's likely not.

If anything, this case will likely be another example of defamation cases against websites that fail on the pleading.

— Jess Miers ???? (@jess_miers) June 7, 2023

Miers notes that when it comes to whether OpenAI should have known ChapGPT might make this mistake, we're looking at a similar issue to that which we saw in the recent Supreme Court case Twitter v. Taamneh. The Court found Twitter was not guilty of aiding and abetting terrorists just because it hosted Islamic State content.

"Just because a company has general knowledge that their products and services could be used to perform illegal uses doesn't mean that the company is liable for any instance of those uses," Miers summarized.

Far from being something that should subject OpenAI to legal liability, the fact that OpenAI knows ChatGPT has some issues is a good sign. It means the company can work on fixing those issues and/or work on making sure people who use ChatGPT know not to take its outputs as gospel.

We should also think carefully about what we want OpenAI to do here, suggests Miers. "Perhaps they could provide more disclosures that urge folks not to rely on anything ChatGPT says as fact. But that's about it. It's pretty much all or nothing with this kind of technology. In using it, we accept that there will be a lot of junk. But the alternative very well might be ripping the service off the market entirely. Is that the desired outcome?"


FREE MINDS

How age-verification laws threaten our First Amendment right to anonymity. "Since the early history of the United States, Americans have enjoyed the right to anonymous speech," notes Shoshana Weissmann of the R Street Institute. "The First Amendment protects this right, and the Supreme Court has long recognized it. The tradition dates back even farther than the anonymous signers of the Federalist Papers in the 1780s and includes a unanimous Supreme Court case decision in which it was ruled that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) did not have to disclose names on membership lists to Alabama officials in 1958."

Laws that mandate age-verification schemes for social media and other online platforms are proliferating before Congress and in statehouses around the country. But these schemes seriously threaten anonymized speech online, points out Weissmann:

With currently proposed legislation and laws, age-verification methods from facial recognition to providing one's government ID or home address threaten to destroy the possibility of remaining anonymous online (to the degree that is currently possible). And the technology used to verify age ends up verifying more than age. Facial scanning provides a picture or video. Government IDs verify more than just the age of the person logging in, and they cannot account for the possibility that the person logging in could be a child misusing their guardian's ID. Furthermore, if a person has to verify that their child really is their child as part of parental consent verification, then that adult's information will be disclosed, too. …

Age-verification mandates could also implicate the rights of individuals with the concept of the "chilling effect" in court. This effect occurs when people voluntarily filter their speech due to laws and can cause courts to overturn these laws that cause the "chilling effect."

More here.


FREE MARKETS

New York is considering setting minimum prices for nail services. In a crazy foray into state-managed economies, lawmakers behind the Nail Salon Minimum Standards Council Act would not only set new workplace standards and rules for nail salons but also "establish a minimum pricing model for nail services in the state," notes The New Republic in a piece portraying the bill as a boon to nail salon workers and businesses.

But low prices are one way that new businesses, small businesses, those with lower marketing budgets, and those in less desirable locations can compete with more established, centrally located, or chain establishments. Taking away salon owners' ability to set their own prices seems to only benefit currently flourishing or big corporate salons, and could be a net negative to workers at smaller and more independent places.

The bill could also seem to be a slippery slope. What makes nail salons unique here? Nothing. And if the state can set minimum prices for manicures and pedicures, it can set prices for haircuts, tomatoes, fitness classes, or just about anything else.

The Nail Salon Minimum Standards Council Act would start by simply creating a commission on minimum pricing to study the issue and make recommendations. But this recommendation process would pave the way for a proposed regulation that, if all goes according to the bill's plan, would "have the force and effect of law."


QUICK HITS

only a matter of time before policymakers are calling for flat bans on open source #AI models. Blumenthal & Hawley apparently want a cozy cartel of just a couple of federally-licensed proprietary providers.

And so the #WarOnComputation expands. https://t.co/1x1Spjoft3

— Adam Thierer (@AdamThierer) June 7, 2023

• "AI will not destroy the world, and in fact may save it," writes venture capitalist Marc Andreessen.

• A Connecticut couple is challenging the warrantless surveillance of their property by camera-carrying bears.

• "After days of silence, officials in Florida confirmed on Tuesday that the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis had orchestrated two recent charter flights that carried groups of migrants from New Mexico to Sacramento," reports The New York Times.

• A federal judge has halted Florida's ban on gender transition treatments for minors:

BREAKING: Federal judge rules Florida bans on gender-affirming care for minors is likely unconstitutional, issues injunction halting enforcement of the bans against the plaintiffs who challenged the regulatory and statutory bans. More to come at Law Dork: https://t.co/oFbD0Zrr6I pic.twitter.com/qbdVR7IxKT

— Chris "Law Dork" Geidner (@chrisgeidner) June 6, 2023

• Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose admitted that he supports a measure to raise the threshold for amending the state constitution from a simple majority vote to 60 percent in order to make it harder for an abortion rights amendment to pass.

• A bill that just passed the Louisiana Senate and House with a veto-proof majority would require teachers and schools to get parental permission to refer to a student by any name that is not "the name, or a derivative thereof… that is listed on the student's birth certificate." The measure would also require school employees to "use the pronouns for a student that align with the student's sex unless the student's parent provides written permission to do otherwise."

• A Wisconsin bill would let people claim a $1,000 tax exemption for any "unborn children for whom a fetal heartbeat has been detected."

• Tucker Carlson's new Twitter show has launched.

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          2. Sevo   2 years ago

            turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
            turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit, a TDS-addled asshole and a pederast besides.

          3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

            This is the most factual thing you've ever said.

    2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

      What did he do now?

      Fall again?

      Tell another lie about the number of grandkids he has?

      Elevate his approval rating above 50%? Hahahahahahahahaha nope!

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        HE'S OLD! HE CAN'T REMEMBER!

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        https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20230606282/eia-predicts-record-high-2023-and-2024-us-oil-output

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        1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

          Is this like when his admin predicts jobs and growth and then reality hits and they lower it when the data comes in?

          Or is this you giving credit to Joe despite it being Mccarthy putting permit reforms in the debt ceiling bill? Where Joe said he didnt want those reforms.

          It also shows you’ve lied for 3 years claiming Joe caused an energy boom if they are only hitting record output next year. Kind of exposes your prior lies. Lol.

          Oh wait. This is where I post the energy output is occurring on private lands and not the lands Joe has coverage of. Just like when Obama bragged about growth on private lands.

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          I hope you know that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Always read a Buttplug article because he never gets past the headline, and they tend to break the narrative he's constructing.

          "The changes to the EIA's oil-price forecast follow a predicted slowdown in production growth. For 2024, it lowered its forecast for total world crude oil and liquid fuels production by 0.3% to 102.69 million barrels per day, but left its 2023 forecast nearly unchanged at 101.37 million barrels a day."

          Then there's the fact that this is only a "record" since the Covid shutdown. And then there's also this:

          "Also in its report, the EIA also lifted its forecasts for retail gasoline prices, by 1.7% to $3.39 a gallon for this year, and by 6.9% to $3.30 next year."

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            it lowered its forecast for total world crude oil and liquid fuels production

            "World", numbnuts.

            Your Saudi conservative Wahabi Trump-loving bros just cut a million bpd.

            1. Sevo   2 years ago

              Don't forget that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                Copy/paste more, Sevo.

                There is not enough of your diarrhea splatter on this board.

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  Oh, you and Jeff have been making sure there's plenty.

                2. Sevo   2 years ago

                  The TDS-addled turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
                  turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

            2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "“World”, numbnuts."

              It doesn't say “World” there, numbnuts, and it's clearly referring to the EIA's American estimates.

              Sevo's right. Lying is all you ever do.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                it lowered its forecast for total world crude oil and liquid fuels production by 0.3% to 102.69

                What part of "total world crude oil" production are you missing, you moron?

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  Are you ignoring the gasoline prices part on purpose?

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    Yes he is. Otherwise, his whole premise blows up in his face like a cheap firecracker.

    3. Sevo   2 years ago

      Don't forget that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

        What happened to Judge Napalitano, Sevo?

        Did he get MAGA-kicked to the curb for not being Trumpy enough?

        Since you are brain-dead and can only copy/paste double up below if “yes”.

    4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

      “MAGA Joe on fire.”?

      Oh, you're joke is that you are saying Joe Biden is making america great, again.

      Is there a new jobs report out? If so, can you link to it? I googled for news about a jobs report and don't see anything.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Sleepy Joe has taken the MAGA agenda (energy production, job growth, higher GDP, manufacturing revival, etc) and unlike Fatass Donnie he has been successful on all counts.

        MAGA JOE!

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Is there a new jobs report out?

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            +330,000.

            Trump-tards angry!

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              US adds 339,000 jobs — blowing past forecasts — as unemployment edges higher

              The rate of jobs being added is far less than the jobs being lost, but in Buttplugonomics that's a huge win.

              Fucking loser. You always think you're being so tricky.

            2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              I guess you are talking about this:

              https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65212377

              “Employers have added more than 330,000 jobs monthly on average over the last six months and job openings have outstripped the workers available.”

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

                More jobs are, of course, good news. The one complaint I have about Federal job statistics is they don’t distinguish between menial jobs and substantial, career jobs.

                (Or maybe the Federal government publishes a finer-grain breakdown of jobs, and I’m not aware of it.)

                For example, while the BBC article above appeared as a hit when I searched for “330,000 jobs”, so did articles about Silicon Valley laying off 330,000 from presumably well-paying jobs:

                https://www.businessinsider.com/google-and-amazon-should-cut-more-jobs-analysts-say-2023-4

                “Silicon Valley has laid off over 330,000 workers since last year but the carnage may not be over.”

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd, the TDS-addled shit and the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

    New video shows those frightened and lied to illegal immigrants kidnapped and flown to California celebrating arriving in California.

    https://twitter.com/jenvanlaar/status/1666201035847892993

    And another.

    https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1666182866043117568

    1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      It's funny how little this mattered to ENB and the rest of her leftist cabal when it was the Biden admin "kidnapping" people and dumping them in far away jurisdictions without the local's consent.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Most open borders theists are fine with open borders as long as the costs are on someone else. Namely red and border states.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago (edited)

          And as long as those actual immigrants are somewhere else.

          Except for the nanny and gardener.

          1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

            Which means the costs are on low wage workers and on employers who don't break the laws and have to compete with people illegally hiring the people who have no right to work in the US.

    2. Krokko   2 years ago

      Of course they're happy... We're too poor to have good freebies in New Mexico, but Gavin Newsom will probably give them gift cards to French Laundry.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago (edited)

    A Georgia man is suing the makers of ChatGPT for defamation.

    Sue Skynet itself!

    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

      Since the early history of the United States, Americans have enjoyed the right to anonymous speech...

      WE DIDN'T HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN BACK THEN!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        More importantly, we didn't have 25 year old children then.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Though we did have onions on our belts, as was custom at the time. 🙂

  4. JesseAz   2 years ago

    ACLU remembers they support free speech and come out in support of Project Veritas that was raided by Biden's DoJ over a diary. More of a defense than Reason has given.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/aclu-lawyers-pen-letter-in-defense-of-first-amendment-over-project-veritas-ashley-biden-diary-case

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      No, they like veratas now that they ousted okeef

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      Sure, now that PV has been taken over by those friendly to the revolution. Where were they when it happened?

  5. JesseAz   2 years ago

    So we have a new report out admitting, from Wapo of all sources, that the Ukraine was plotting to blow up the NS pipelines. This was months before Biden claimed Russia blew up its own pipeline.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/ukraine-made-plans-to-sabotage-nord-stream-pipelines-months-before-attack-report

    Just like with the Dam recently destroyed in Ukraine, we have knowledge of Ukrainian plans to do the damage. With the Dam there is an interview of a test firing of rockets towards the Dam as a practice by a Ukrainian General who stated it was a test run.

    Despite the evidence of these plans by Ukrainian military, western media keeps feeding the lies that these attacks are Russian in origin. Just like with the NS pipeline, Russia destroying the Dam makes no sense. It was controlled by Russians in Russian controlled territory and was one of the primary water sources for Crimea.

    1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      JesseAZ, the fact is, the media has done a terrible job reporting on this. They act more like government lapdogs than an independent media.

      I doubt destroying the dam it matters very much to the ultimate outcome of the war. The dam destruction effectively splits off the annexed parts of Ukraine and complicates any 'Ukrainian counter-offensive' (I have my doubts that there will really be an effective Ukrainian counter-offensive).

      What I do not want: Ukraine in NATO. Or another land war in Europe.

      What I do want: Systematically destroy Russia's capacity to make war against any NATO country.

      This war ends when Russia decides to quit.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Your second want requires military action and is why the Ukraine and media are pushing these lies. It is propaganda to keep funding the war.

        1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

          JesseAZ, taking out 20%-30% of Russia's tanks and artillery effectively takes away Russia's capacity to make conventional war on a NATO country; Russia would get their ass kicked, and badly (conventional). Russia has experienced pretty hefty armored losses. I am not exactly weeping about that.

          Look, Ukraine is not America's fight. There is no vital US national interest in Ukraine. I don't want any part of Ukraine in NATO, they're corrupt AF. However, the Russian's presented NATO with a very difficult strategic question; bleed Russia now for certain, or wait for a much bigger land war later, maybe.

          When the cost to Russia is too high, they will quit. The war ends when Russia quits.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            They never had plans for a conventional war throughout Europe. Their forays into Ukraine were always about resources and projecting their power to the Baltic sea. The fear mongering they were continuing past that is just that.

      2. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

        So you don't want another land war in Europe but you do? Sounds like the State media has done a great job.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          2 + 2 = 5!

          1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

            weve always been at war with eurasia

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

              weve never used capitalization or punctuation 🙂

              1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                Boring

              2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

                damn, that's some petty shit my brother!

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  i added a smiley so that cancels out any pettiness

        2. HorseConch   2 years ago

          Only if somebody else is fighting the war. It's going so great right now. Defend democracy by sending billions to crooks and nazis, get some back in kickbacks, let a bunch of young Ukrainians die, rinse, repeat, count the money. Great gig for all the crooks spending our money.

      3. Nardz   2 years ago

        Your takes on this conflict have been wrong from the beginning

      4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        The problem is that if Russia does decide to finally hang it up, however that comes about, the odds of Ukraine joining NATO go up exponentially. I highly doubt you're going to get both those desires.

        The reality is that this is really a semi-proxy war over whose puppet, ours or theirs, ultimately controls the area.

      5. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "What I do want: Systematically destroy Russia’s capacity to make war against any NATO country."

        What if I don't want NATO countries to have the capacity to make war either? Napoleon and Hitler attacked Russia, not the reverse.

    2. Nardz   2 years ago

      They knew 3 months ahead of time that Ukraine was going to bomb the pipeline, yet said nothing then lied about it.

      And this is the story they WANT out there...

      Makes one wonder

      1. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

        Comment from the Daily Wire story:

        “Sounds plausible, but I'm going to need 53 high-ranking and unimpeachable foreign intelligence experts to sign-off before I believe it.”

  6. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    One significant difference between ChatGPT and the twitter type of social media is that ChatGPT authors the material, not just "hosts" it.

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      Also chat gpt was programmed to lie. The company said so

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        So it says that women can have penises and men can have vaginas?

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Hey, why spend billions on technology if it can't support your narrative?

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Yeah, this is my head banging about Section 230 below. ChatGPT authors the material, not hosts or, necessarily shares it. Further, the AI itself doesn't just randomly generate speech on it's own the way Twitter users do. It speaks when spoken to the way a light doesn't come on until you throw the switch and, as part of nominal operation, stays pretty specifically on-task. It makes mistakes and confabulates things but it generally doesn't veer into "Murder all the Jews." and "I'll offer $1000 to anyone who kills [person by name] at [address by name]."

      Saying it's protected by S230 or the 1A is akin to saying the 1A protects your printing press from corrosion, dings, dents, and scratches.

  7. Rich   2 years ago

    But there's a difference between a company knowing that an artificial intelligence tool can make mistakes and a company knowing that the A.I. tool would make a specific mistake.

    Exactly! So leave Tesla's self-driving cars alone!

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      No, if a Tesla car slanders someone with Tesla management's knowledge, Tesla should get its ass sued.

    2. Crackers Boy   2 years ago

      "Just because a company has general knowledge that their products and services could be used to perform illegal uses doesn't mean that the company is liable for any instance of those uses,"

      I sure hope so, or this will put gun manufactures (and cars and so on) at risk.

      CB

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

        The lack of distinction, if not willful obfuscation, of criminal vs. civil liability is getting to be a “retards all the way down” situation with technology and the 1A at this point.

        If a gun or car, through manufacturer defect, kills someone the are absolutely civilly liable and potentially criminally liable. To say nothing of the layered-meta-illegality of banning bump stocks and holding CEOs of car companies criminally liable for algorithms violating CA emissions standards.

  8. JesseAz   2 years ago

    American citizen arrested in Pennsylvania for reading a Bible verse near a pride parade.

    https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1666101808672960513

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      That was contempt of cop, more than just reading scripture. Pork chop wasn't sufficiently obeyed.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        The worst crime of all.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      The irony of the current American Maoism is that gay people were actually killed during the Cultural Revolution for "hooliganism."

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Nothing worse than a gay hooligan.

  9. JesseAz   2 years ago

    New Twitter Files showing the Atlantic Council and connected politicians starting and pushing censorship throughout the globe on 2017.

    https://twitter.com/NAffects/status/1666151678184243200

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      It's the only way to save democracy.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Has there been a conspiracy theory from the last one hundred years that hasn't come true in the last five?

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        You're going to have to be more clear.

        Climate change and all the theories and Kyoto/Paris/Davos confab policies that flow from it.

        1. HorseConch   2 years ago

          Climate change is still killing all of us. Those damn canadian wildfires were caused directly by that climate arsonist Donny Trump.

  10. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

    While transporting migrates to various cities may be good politics, it is not a solution to the problems at the border. Does Gov. DeSantis really have a plan to address asylum seekers and other immigrants at the border? Because flying immigrates around in planes is not going to work if he is elected President.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      The plan is to move them to sanctuary cities where they are “wanted”.

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        Well, I think the real plan is to get the sanctuary cities to acknowledge that masses of illegal immigrants are in fact a significant burden.

        1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

          No plan can succeed if you expect progressives to ever admit they were wrong. Making them pay for their delusions though...

          1. Zeb   2 years ago

            Which is why I don't think flying immigrants to sanctuary cities is a very good plan. It's an amusing stunt, but that's probably all.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Wanted as in nannies and gardeners, or wanted as in voters?

      3. Wizard4169   2 years ago

        No, the plan is to score cheap political points and waste taxpayers' money. DeSantis has to import people from other states for his little stunts. And then they're dumped off at random in order to cause as much pointless chaos and suffering as possible. Here's a wild idea: how about, in cases where it's possible, shipping people to some place where they have family or friends who might be able to help them out at less expense to taxpayers? Of course, that would undermine political grandstanding and fear-mongering, so probably a non-starter.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Allowing near unfettered illegal immigration is also not a solution. Why should border states bare all the costs? When you see large cities like NYC complain about a weeks worth of border crossers for a year, even you have to admit the costs are there. A city of millions as compared to a city of 100k recieving 10% of the numbers crying about the costs should be obvious even to you that it is a problem. But you prefer ignorance.

    3. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      Sanctuary cities openly advertise for illegal aliens to come to their jurisdictions. The way I see it, shipping the illegals to them helps the sanctuary cities put their policies into practice.

      What's the problem, again?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Um, reality is often a problem.

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

        I find it funny that people who claim to support sanctuary cities are complaining about migrants being shipped to said cities.

      3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

        Desantis should sue for reimbursement of travel expenses for getting these “undocumented workers” to the sanctuary cities where they are “wanted”.

        That’d be a hoot.

    4. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      The people who demand X policy but have near zero burden to pay for X policy have to feel some pain, or there will never be motivation for them to stop pursuing X policy.

      If you get to virtue signal that you support unlimited illegals, and they should be here if they want, but you never have to support them yourself, you will never have any motivation to change your opinion if the guy down the road is shouldering all the burden

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Anyone know if citizens of New York stepped up to open their “spare rooms” .
        I’m guessing the response was overwhelming.

        1. Super Scary   2 years ago

          Mayor Eric Adams floated the idea - https://nypost.com/2023/06/05/adams-wants-new-yorkers-to-house-migrants-in-private-residences/

          "“There are residents who are suffering right now because of economic challenges. They have spare rooms. They have locales,” the mayor said, arguing his private residence proposal could put money back in the pockets of taxpayers."

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

            Funny thing about that is tenet laws do not favor the landlord. Once you allow someone in it's hard to get them out. Why would I risk renting out a room period? It sets up a situation where you could not get them out when the government program to pay you ends.

            Strong tenet rights will usurp the Mayor's idea.

          2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

            Is there a dumber public official than adams? Can’t understand how anyone could vote for this idiot.

            1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

              Teacher's union put him in office. That should solve your conundrum.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                Public employees should lose the right to vote.

              2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                I've a feeling Brandon Johnson is going to tell Eric Adams, "hold my beer" regarding being the stupidest public official alive.

      2. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

        The people who demand X policy but have near zero burden to pay for X policy have to feel some pain, or there will never be motivation for them to stop pursuing X policy.

        Hey now, this is a democracy. I want benefits for me paid by you.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Why else give everyone the vote?

      3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        If Florida is experiencing a deep burden from illegal immigrants, why does DeSantis have to keep going to other states to source the participants for his flights?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          We showed you yesterday. You promptly ignored us as you have muted a number of us.

      4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

        you support unlimited illegals

        Your wording of that question employs both exaggeration and unnecessary constaints on possible solutions to the problem.

        I want more (not unlimited) currently-illegal immigrants to be made legal immigrants or legal guest workers. Why can’t we consider that solution?

        1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

          Anyone who looks at what is happening in NY and thinks, “we should have more of this “ is retarded.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago (edited)

          Now do shoplifters and squatters.

    5. damikesc   2 years ago

      "While transporting migrates to various cities may be good politics, it is not a solution to the problems at the border. Does Gov. DeSantis really have a plan to address asylum seekers and other immigrants at the border? Because flying immigrates around in planes is not going to work if he is elected President."

      Seems unreasonable to expect HIM to have a solution when the person who is PRESIDENT clearly does not.

      Mind you, the policy that will not work is the precise policy Biden has been doing since 2021.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        DeSantis is running for President.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          But he is not President.

          The guy who IS and who is also running has no answer and he's been in Congress longer than DeSantis has been alive.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Seems totally legitimate to demand that both Joe Biden and Ron DeSantis be able to propose solutions to illegal immigration problems.

            Why do you see this as an area where there is some kind of mutual exclusion?

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              DeSantis has no means of enacting anything.

              Biden does.

              And, again, he's had more time to do it than DeSantis has been alive.

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

                There has got to be some disconnect here because you cannot be possibly taking the position you seem to be taking. My saying that a Presidential candidate should be able to speak on their proposed solutions to the major problems of the day is an entirely conventional, traditional expectation. DeSantis is somehow excused?

            2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

              You have made no such demand on SleepyJoe.

            3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

              “….propose solutions.”

              One of the funnier aspects of this problem is when libs pretend that there are no laws currently in place re immigration.

              Just because you don’t like a solution doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. We don’t need any new laws.

      2. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        If Gov DeSantis wants to be President and he makes an issue of undocumented arrivals at the southern border he does have an obligation to give up his plan for a solution.

        AS for what is happening now, there is consensus on two things. People are unhappy with the current handling and they have no idea on what to do differently.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          The current President is running for the same office and, as I told Mike, has been in Congress longer than DeSantis has been alive.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            So they both should have proposed solutions.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              Man, you are challenging Shrike for the dumbest commenter here.

          2. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

            The current President is basically working to address the problems. He has not made it a political issue for the 2024 race, but rather working on lower profile actions. One significant difference I see that he is working at the root of the problem by working at the countries of origin. He has also allowed more immigration for groups that have sponsors. He is moving people away from the border by moving them to sponsoring communities. This makes more sense than flying them somewhere and dropping them off.

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              "The current President is basically working to address the problems."

              Except...he is not. It is worse in any conceivable means of measurement than it was before he took office.

              "He is moving people away from the border by moving them to sponsoring communities. This makes more sense than flying them somewhere and dropping them off."

              The governments they are sent to are not told a thing about their arrivals. So, he is doing what DeSantis is doing, except not sending them to people who openly and quite proudly proclaim how much they support them being here.

              1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

                President BIden took office during the Covid pandemic when crossing declined, the uptick in crossing was not unexpected.

                You clearly don't understand the idea of private communities sponsoring immigrants. I suggest you read this Reason article.

                https://reason.com/2023/02/07/biden-deserves-some-credit-on-immigration-policy-but-he-refuses-to-take-responsibility-where-he-should/

                1. damikesc   2 years ago

                  They do not cover costs the illegal generates.

                  So, there is no actual sponsorship at all.

            2. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Sponsor has a legal definition that he is not holding communities to. Sponsorship requires financial obligations for any taxpayer resource cause by an immigrant. He is not enforcing Sponsorship retard.

              1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

                Where are you taking the definition of sponsorship from and why is he not enforcing it? I don't really expect an answer JZ because you rarely backup your comments.

                1. JoeB   2 years ago (edited)

                  Immigration law assigns a specific definition as well as significant responsibility to a “sponsor”. JesseAz mentions only a few. I’ve had several hot foreign girlfriends, so I know what I’m talking about. Amirite, all you Yankee horndogs?

    6. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      DeSantis' publicity stunts would be more convincing if here were flying illegal immigrants from Florida to other states.

      So far, he has picked up legal asylum seekers from Texas to Martha's Vineyard and (presumably) illegal immigrants from New Mexico to California. Makes it look like he cannot find any illegal immigrations in Florida, which certainly undermines the point he is trying to make.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

        ""Makes it look like he cannot find any illegal immigrations in Florida,""

        Perhaps to someone who does not know the history of illegals fleeing to Florida.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        How did they end up in Florida Mikey? Flown there by DHS?

  11. Rich   2 years ago

    The measure would also require school employees to "use the pronouns for a student that align with the student's sex unless the student's parent provides written permission to do otherwise."

    Obviously the solution is to ban pronouns.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Pronouns are typically used when the subject person isn’t present for the conversation.
      None of this crap makes any sense.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Thank you. That's my problem with this. They don't just want to be treated as whatever they claim to be. They demand that we use their preferred pronouns in conversations with other people. They can fuck right off with that bullshit. Now they are infringing on my liberty. No libertarian can support this crap.

    2. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

      Ridiculous problem, meet ridiculous solution.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Meh. Let's ban students. Or teachers.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    New York is considering setting minimum prices for nail services.

    To the nanny hammer everything looks like a nail.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      minimum prices for nail services

      Regardless of quality.

  13. Honest Economics   2 years ago

    For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/

  14. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    AI will not destroy the world, and in fact may save it...

    BY KILLING ALL HUMANS

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Greta smiles. And Ehrlich has a fatal hard-on.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

      AI will come in the form of a shiny metal ass.

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

      If you think about it, it's not really a joke.

      Humans are a plague on the planet. It is logical to destroy humans if your goal is to save the planet. Naturally humans don't like that idea.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        As a geologist, I can tell you that the planet does not give a shit. Now some other species might have an opinion.

  15. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "After days of silence, officials in Florida confirmed on Tuesday that the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis had orchestrated two recent charter flights that carried groups of migrants from New Mexico to Sacramento," reports The New York Times.

    Because I read Koch-funded libertarians, I know two things for sure:
    1. Unlimited, unrestricted immigration has only benefits, no drawbacks.
    2. Democrat-controlled areas totally practice what they preach with their "we welcome immigrants" shtick.

    So there's really no problem here. 🙂

    #OpenBordersWillFixEverything

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      #SomeonePromisedBorderWallandWeGotFucked

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled asshole and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          Please wipe once in a while, Sevo.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled asshole and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          2. Sevo   2 years ago

            turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat and a TDS-addled shit, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    A Connecticut couple is challenging the warrantless surveillance of their property by camera-carrying bears.

    Wait until the state claims the right to arm bears.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      You have to transport them in trunks.

      1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        You have to transport them in trunks.

        Never gets old 🙂

  17. Jerryskids   2 years ago

    ChatGPT is like a gun, if it goes off irresponsibly it's its own fault, nobody is responsible for its actions.

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      The Alec Baldwin defense.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    A federal judge has halted Florida's ban on gender transition treatments for minors...

    Cut up them kids!

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      We know better than nature!

      1. Rich   2 years ago

        Territory-affirming care!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Virtue-affirming care! Plus votes.

    2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

      That legal ruling has all the intellectual rigor of a “Trans Women are Women” chant

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        The judge declared himself The Science. The ruling was emotional diatribe absent legal analysis.

        1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

          So typical leftist stance on all subjects?

          1. Ersatz   2 years ago

            the disturbing thing is how many of these partisan nit-wits are appointed as judges.

            makes it much much easier for the dems to judge shot and get some idiot to make a ruling like this.... it reads like an opinion from those SCOTUS scholars - the wise latina or the newly minted ketanya - sword of truth and woman knowledge

  19. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago (edited)

    After days of silence, officials in Florida confirmed on Tuesday that the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis had orchestrated two recent charter flights that carried groups of migrants from New Mexico to Sacramento….

    I orchestrated giving the hobo outside my office building a few bucks.

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      So you support hoboism?

  20. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    In a crazy foray into state-managed economies, lawmakers behind the Nail Salon Minimum Standards Council Act would not only set new workplace standards and rules for nail salons but also "establish a minimum pricing model for nail services in the state," notes The New Republic in a piece portraying the bill as a boon to nail salon workers and businesses.

    And no reference to the National Industrial Recovery Act and accompanying National Recovery Administration from the New Deal that attempted to set price floors and outlaw discounting? SCOTUS already ruled on such crap and found it to be unconstitutional.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      But competition is so unfair!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Why even has a free market democracy if we can't do crony capitalism?

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    3. Idaho Bob   2 years ago (edited)

      Unintended consequences: POC women being prosecuted for ignoring the minimum pricing standard.

      ETA - Are Asian women considered POC's?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        That's usually why these things get passed. See: Davis-Bacon Act for more.

      2. Super Scary   2 years ago

        "Are Asian women considered POC’s?"

        Depends on what you're talking about. Crime? Sure, why not. Education? No.

      3. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

        Of course they are.

        POC or BiPOC is a term used to segregate white people from everyone else.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          What if they're the yellow face of white supremacy?

        2. JoeB   2 years ago (edited)

          Unless you’re applying to Harvard. In that case, see GG above.

  21. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    CNN Chairman and CEO Chris Licht is out
    Oliver Darcy
    By Oliver Darcy, CNN Business
    Updated 9:56 AM EDT, Wed June 7, 2023

    #EverythingDonnieTouchesTurnsToShit

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      That’s why he’s a billionaire.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

        #DaddysMoneySetMeUp

        See also Koch, David and “the other one”.

        If you want to know the self-made capitalists like Buffett and Soros tend to be liberals.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Envy will get you nowhere.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

          And the soros worship never stops.

          Self made like robbing Jewish people during world War 2?

          They also aren't liberals but realize liberals are easier to control to give then political advantages.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            13 year old boy hiding amongst Jew killers?

            He gets a pass, you fucking nut-job.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              No, fucknut, he does not. Not when so many others his age were rounded up and killed (see Frank, Anne, et.al.).

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

                And not when so many others his age were fighting in the resistance (see The Edelweiss Pirates, etc.).

                Soros had a choice between being a resistance fighter and robbing Jewish homes to lay the bedrock of his future wealth and he chose the latter.

                And the Jews certainly aren’t buying Buttplug’s criticism = antisemitism lie as this group of Jews evinces: JewsAgainstSoros.com

            2. JesseAz   2 years ago

              He is on video on 60 minutes admitting to it shrike. I know he desperately wants to remove all evidence and has moved to pull it off the internet but it is still there. Keep defending a self proclaimed nazi buddy.

              1. Sevo   2 years ago

                I keep telling you: turd lies.

            3. Sevo   2 years ago

              turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
              turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit, a TDS-addled asshole and a pederast besides.

            4. damikesc   2 years ago

              "13 year old boy hiding amongst Jew killers?

              He gets a pass, you fucking nut-job."

              He helped steal the goods of Jews at the time.

              Glad to know we found the one Nazi you will support, though.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                He supports the Ukraine nazis too.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      CNN being shit is trumps fault? Helluva take shrike.

      But... defend dems at all cost.

    3. Sevo   2 years ago

      Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  22. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose admitted that he supports a measure to raise the threshold for amending the state constitution from a simple majority vote to 60 percent in order to make it harder for an abortion rights amendment to pass.

    On the bright side for Democrats that will surely come back to bite Republicans in the ass.

    Or maybe not. How frequently does one want his or her constitution fucked with.

  23. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Biden energy official tied to the environmental lobby.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_618385aa-0483-11ee-8dbe-c76838839c6b.html

    “Prior to joining the Biden Administration as Secretary of the Department of the Interior, Secretary Haaland was evidently involved with the Pueblo Action Alliance (‘PAA’), a New Mexico based environmental and social justice organization that frequently engages in advocacy, protests, and lobbying throughout the United States,” the letter said.

    The letter goes on to say that “PAA and its leaders advocate for the dismantling of America's economic and political system and believe America is irredeemable because there is no ‘opportunity to reform a system that isn't founded on good morals or values.’"

    “It is reported that Secretary Haaland's daughter, Somah Haaland (‘Somah’), has been employed by PAA since at least 2020,” the letter said. “In 2022, Somah was involved in a PAA trip to Capitol Hill to ‘lobby members of Congress’ on legislation that would prohibit lease sales for oil and gas development on federal land. Earlier this year, Somah represented PAA at a People vs. Fossil Fuels rally and declared ‘we all need to work together to stop oil and gas developments.’”

    “Most notably, her daughter works for the Pueblo Action Alliance, an organization whose tax exempt status with the IRS has been revoked and is listed as ‘Not in Good Standing’ with the New Mexico secretary of state’s office,” Sgamma said. “We know the secretary and her senior officials have on multiple occasions granted special access to PAA and its allies. They’ve helped PAA lobby members of Congress and the Interior Department on issues before the agency, particularly on oil and natural gas leasing. PAA went so far as to help organize a protest at Interior’s headquarters in 2021 that turned violent. An open records investigation shows Sec. Haaland’s staff collaborated with the protesters despite knowing their violent intentions.”

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Fun self-admitted fact about Somah, who's covered in tats is claiming to be "queer" because that's what leftists do when they want additional social clout:

      "Haaland added: 'I have Major Depressive Disorder and am neuro divergent in other ways.' "

      Funny how so many leftists these days are crippled by mental illness and Munchausen's.

      1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

        “Funny how so many leftists these days are crippled by mental illness and Munchausen’s.”

        It just makes them a truer leftist, since they gain more rungs on the intersectionality ladder.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        And yet, despite her admitted mental illness, she has been given a cushy job telling other people what to do. Not sure that's a glass ceiling l want broken.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Shame, too--she would have been cute if she'd been a trad instead of being raised by a nutbag mother.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Never stick your dick, or your media feed, in crazy.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Just reading her Twitter feed is enough to give you an STD.

  24. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...require teachers and schools to get parental permission to refer to a student by any name that is not "the name, or a derivative thereof… that is listed on the student's birth certificate."

    I think that was a lyric in Johnny Cash's "A Boy Named Sue".

  25. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Challenging California.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/iowa/article_26368d4a-0527-11ee-b77c-234e34b99162.html

    Iowa Attorney General Brenna Bird announced Tuesday that she’s leading a coalition of 19 states challenging an Environmental Protection Agency decision regarding trucks, emissions and California.

    The coalition filed a petition for review Monday in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit regarding the EPA’s April 6 decision to grant the California Air Resource Board waivers on regulations for heavy-duty on road vehicles and engines.

    EPA found that the California board’s Advanced Clean Trucks, Zero Emission Airport Shuttle Bus and Zero Emission Powertrain Certification regulations meet criteria for a waiver under the Clean Air Act.

    According to Bird’s office, California’s Advanced Clean Trucks regulation violates the Clean Air Act and other federal laws.

    “Iowa isn’t going to take a backseat as the EPA and California try to regulate truckers out of business,” Bird said. “We’re pushing back.”

    Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Ohio, South Carolina, Utah and West Virginia have joined the petition.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      California has been fucking with interstate commerce for decades and they always get away with it.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    A Wisconsin bill would let people claim a $1,000 tax exemption for any "unborn children for whom a fetal heartbeat has been detected."

    Wisconsin is firmly in the pocket of Big Heart Monitor.

  27. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Tucker Carlson's new Twitter show has launched.

    It's exactly like when Hitler made a deal with Stalin.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

      No, wait, not Stalin. Mussolini.

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        Or Lazslo Bardossy?

  28. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    "First We Get The Money"

    https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-households-making-100k-targeted-by-brandon-johnson-allies/

    Allies of newly elected Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson are pushing a $12-billion financial plan for the city ominously titled, “First We Get the Money.” The newly released plan is supposed to make a “more just” Chicago by slashing funding for the Chicago Police Department and implementing new income and other taxes in the city.

    “First We Get the Money” proposes adding a new citywide income tax on household income above $100,000. That would bring in an estimated $2.1 billion a year in new revenue, of which they claim “$1.6 billion would be from high-earning Chicagoans and $490 million from high-earning commuters.” The report cites city income taxes above 3.7% in New York and Philadelphia as justification for implementing a similar tax in Chicago. This proposal would require state lawmakers’ approval, which Gov. J.B. Pritzker has seemingly nixed.

    Historically, municipal income taxes have failed to fix the financial issues plaguing struggling cities. When Detroit instituted a city income tax for residents and nonresidents in the 1960s, many businesses simply left for the surrounding suburbs. Today the city generates less tax revenue than it did from property taxes alone 60 years ago.

    The plan calls on Johnson to restart the city’s head tax “to make large corporations pay what they owe for benefitting from the city’s public infrastructure.” It claims the head tax should be $33 per employee annually and it would generate an additional $106 million in tax revenue. Johnson’s campaign platform included a head tax.

    Next up, the plan calls on Johnson to implement the Bring Chicago Home Ordinance, which would increase the real estate transactions tax on sales worth more than $1 million by 1.9 percentage points, bringing the total real estate transfer tax rate to 3.1%. The “First We Get the Money” authors claim this would create $163 million in new revenues for the city. Johnson campaigned on this tax.

    The plan calls for a common Johnson-backed proposal to institute a financial transactions tax. This would also require Johnson to work with state legislators to make such a tax possible. This plan says a $1 to $2 tax per trade could generate $10 to $12 billion, which Chicago could share with the state. If Chicago’s share were 20%, since it is about one-fifth of the state population, it would bring in $2 billion extra for the city.

    The proposal doesn’t stop there. It goes on to say Johnson should press state leaders to change state law to allow Chicago to implement a local wealth tax “on the financial and business assets of the 10% wealthiest Chicagoans.” The plan says a 0.4% wealth tax on those assets of the wealthiest 10% of Chicagoans would generate $960 million annually.

    The plan calls on Johnson to raise the jet fuel tax from 5 cents to 14 cents, a move that would generate another $96 million annually according to the plan’s authors. This proposal was also included in Johnson’s campaign platform as a way to punish airlines for “polluting the air” in Chicago.

    If the progressive allies of Johnson are successful in pushing their “First We Get the Money” strategy on the city, it would mean pushing the city toward further fiscal upheaval. Pension payments are rising and the city will need to figure out a way to sustain those high payments on a debt that is greater than that of 44 states.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      This sounds like a great idea. Why wasn’t this tried before?

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      “on the financial and business assets of the 10% wealthiest Chicagoans.”

      Can't wait for when the top 10% are all political employees when the businesses leave.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

        Making rich people leave opens mores space for migrants.

        Isn't that a win for progressives?

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        If we count bribes and other graft as income, how many Chicago pols are in the top 10% already?

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Looks like Chicago bedroom communities are in for an influx of wealthy new residents.

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

        I guess that's one area where property prices will continue to rise.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        I don't live in a collar county but I'm close enough for a remote employee or comfortably retired couple to buy twice the house they could get in Chicago for their money and still get into the city in an hour and a half if they have to. Bring em on.

  29. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    Cool. Now I can sue the makers of the Magic Eight Ball for false and libelous speech.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      "Focus and ask again"

    2. Super Scary   2 years ago

      "Sue again later"

  30. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    A bill that just passed the Louisiana Senate and House with a veto-proof majority would require teachers and schools to get parental permission to refer to a student by any name that is not "the name, or a derivative thereof… that is listed on the student's birth certificate." The measure would also require school employees to "use the pronouns for a student that align with the student's sex unless the student's parent provides written permission to do otherwise."

    This is the way

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      But can they cut off dicks without parental approval?

  31. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago (edited)

    Still not a single word here about the Biden Crime Family. Now we have the FBI Director about to be held in Contempt of Congress for hiding evidence of a $5M bribe form Ukraine, of all places.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      LOCAL NEWS.

    2. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      The FBI and CIA circling the wagons around the candidate that got 75% of Wall Street’s donations while the left protests my gas stove instead of the rich and powerful raping teenage girls on Epstein’s island and Raytheon looting the treasury while we do nuclear brinkmanship with a senile dementia patient in charge shows that electing Dems brings Justice.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        I miss the 1960s.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Damn fine summation.

    3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      Contempt of Congress

      Ha ha! Like that means something.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Not anymore, anyway thanks to your team.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        You cheered on the two times the DoJ did it against Trump team guys..

      3. Sevo   2 years ago

        Notice here shit-pile ignores the FBI withholding evidence and whines about the only legal method of retrieving it.
        Remember, turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
        turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

  32. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "How age-verification laws threaten our First Amendment right to anonymity."

    Huh? How the words in 1A have been interpreted to guarantee anonymity seems like a stretch. We might have a better society, and government, if people had to own up to all statements.

    1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      When the left wants to know who you supported politically so they can harass you then anonymity is bad but when they want to anonymously target children for abuse then it's a civil rights violation to know who they are.

  33. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Foiling
    Biden
    Investigations

    https://nypost.com/2023/06/06/fbis-biden-bias-is-on-full-display-as-wray-fences-with-republicans-over-bribe-doc/

    The organization previously known as the world’s premier law enforcement agency is increasingly seen by many Americans as the armed wing of the Democratic Party.

    Almost as troubling, no one in a position of authority in the agency, the Justice Department or the White House seems to understand the long-term implications or care enough to repair the FBI’s shredded credibility.

    The document contains an allegation that Joe Biden, as vice president, was involved in a $5 million bribery scheme. Only because House Oversight Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) acted like a dog looking for a lost bone do we even know the document exists.

    The bribery claim was made in either 2017 or 2020 — both years are said to have appeared in the file — and reportedly centers on Ukraine, where first son Hunter Biden was paid up to $1 million a year from 2014 to 2019 for joining the board of Burisma, a notoriously corrupt energy company.

    Although Comer and Democrats differ on whether the FBI said the case remains alive, Comer pointed out that the informant, a longtime FBI source, suggested the purported $5 million bribe “would be made through shell accounts and multiple banks.”

    The entire episode is a formula for creating mistrust, which seems to be Wray’s special skill. He never admitted the significance of what Comey and his dirty crew did in 2016, dismissing the attempt to tilt an election as merely the work of a few bad apples.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      It's just another step on the path to our openly partisan, hyper-polarized society and government. We can look forward to either a monolithic totalitarian state or a third world style government where armed factions backed by dueling parties have actual gun battles in D.C.

      1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

        Hey, they have plenty of gun battles in DC already.

  34. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago


    Pence announces presidential run: ‘Different times call for different leadership’

    Holy See VP Mike Pence in! Christ Christie in! The guy from North Dakota in! The GOP Klown Kar is getting heavy!

    Where Mike Huckabee? Come on in bro!

    And Rick 'Sanctum' Santorum! America needs you!

    1. ducksalad   2 years ago (edited)

      Accidentally caught part of Chris Christie’s acceptance speech, in which he compared himself to Lincoln, Wilson, F.D.Roosevelt, Kennedy, and Reagan.

      Don’t know what’s worse, the inflated ego or picking a list that has a total of maybe 0.2 good presidents on it.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        That massive ego led him to the "Fat and Furious" bridge scandal.

        Presidential material for sure!

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. Turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            Sevo, don't you think Pence gives off this creepy Geroge W holy roller vibe?

            Because you know and love these Fundie Freaks as a good little GOP urchin.

            What you say?

            1. Sevo   2 years ago

              Pretty sure I mentioned that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  35. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Going down the sewage tubes.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/san-frans-cre-apocalypse-citys-two-biggest-hotels-have-defaulted

    The marxist shit(covered)show that is San Francisco is imploding before our very eyes in ways that are both terrifying, memorable wholly different each and every day.

    But while we expect the implosion in residential housing prices to accelerate, it's really CRE where the ticking neutron bomb is to be found, and according to the latest horror story out of San Fran's commercial real estate market, the owner of two of San Francisco’s biggest hotels — Hilton San Francisco Union Square and Parc 55 — has stopped mortgage payments and plans to give up the two properties.

    The 1,921-room Hilton is the city’s largest hotel and the 1,024-room Parc 55 is the fourth-largest, and together they account for around 9% of the city’s hotel stock. The hotels could potentially be taken over by lenders or sold to a new group as part of the foreclosure process, although it is unclear who would want to put even one dollar of equity into property that will more than likely redefault within a few years.

    Parc 55 is a block from Westfield San Francisco Centre (the mall where Nordstrom is also departing), and the block where Banko Brown, an alleged shoplifter, was killed in a shooting outside a Walgreens in April. Nearby blocks are also full of empty storefronts, as tourist and local foot traffic hasn’t fully recovered and probably never will.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      SF needs to adopt the Chicago model and raise taxes to solve these problems.

    2. Ska   2 years ago

      There is a huge percentage of commercial loans that will come due in the next year or two (in my locality it's estimated at 86%). Those loans are either going to be refinanced at much lower amounts (haircuts for the lenders), or properties will be turned over on foreclosure and sold for even lower values (bigger haircuts for the lenders). People are already buying paper at 70-80 cents on the dollar.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Duh! Just requisition the Hilton and the Parc and convert them to free homeless housing. How long will the minibar stocks last?

    4. Sevo   2 years ago

      Like the US in general, SF was doing quite well before several people caught a bug, prompting Newsoms's (and Breed's) mandated lockdowns, which accomplished exactly zero compared to FL for example.
      Understand that neither of those bottom feeders has ever worked in a job where incompetence can be easily measure and get you FIRED! Their combined actual knowledge of business amounts to Newsom getting quarterlies read to him.
      So, when some people got sick, why they both said "Off with their heads!", and acting as tin-pot dictators, shut down something close to 50% of the businesses in SF/CA. Simple: "You, you, and you can remain open; it is illegal for the rest of you to open tomorrow morning! How easy!
      A year and a half later, they got together and said "You can all re-open tomorrow morning!" and they were surprised when nearly no one did!
      Steaming piles of ignorant lefty shits that they are.

  36. (Impeach Biden) Weigel's Cock Ring   2 years ago

    You know how it is that we know that Reason's Koch-In-Chief himself knows that he's losing his long campaign to redefine libertarianism as left neoliberalism? Because he has now taken to publicly debating Dave Smith on issues like transgenderism.

    At least, that was PROBABLY Charles Koch debating. It's hard to be 100% sure because he's apparently terrified of showing his face in public, so we got the rather absurd spectacle of Smith debating against a resized avatar of a man with a raccoon's head.

    Not surprisingly, Smith absolutely mopped up the floor with him. Of course, when you're that scared you're already half-defeated right from the jump.

    This is why we real libertarians are guaranteed to win in the end, becausr the faugazis are fundamentally cowards.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      Why yes, Mikey. The country is waiting for the Libertarian Party to divide on the subject of Trannie Dancing.

      Because Trannie Dancing is the most important issue today.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Please, Pluggo, enlighten us as to how you got your original handle, "Sarah Plain's Buttplug" banned permanently from Reason. If I recall correctly, it had something to do with you posting hardcore CP to this very site. Reason then had to scrub the thread better than the Fizzy Lifting Drink testing room. Please, enlighten the crowd as to why you're a "2".

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          I'm putting you down for "aginst" Trannie Dancing.

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            Remember that turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
            turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            So when are you going to enlighten us regarding your ban, dork?

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
        turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

      3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Trannie Dancing

        Is that what you leftoids use to describe "hysterectomies of teenage girls"?

        1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

          And castration of teenage boys.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Which is a made-up problem. Nobody is castrating teenage boys.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              Bullshit, and you know it.

            2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

              ”The youngest patient I’ve done vaginoplasty on is age 16.”—Dr. Marci Bowers in “What is a Woman?” at 58:40

      4. damikesc   2 years ago

        "Because Trannie Dancing is the most important issue today."

        Makes one wonder why the Left is so adamant that it is, though.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Not surprisingly, Smith absolutely mopped up the floor with him. Of course, when you’re that scared you’re already half-defeated right from the jump.

      To be fair to Charles Koch, the left, starting in the early 2000s so hated Koch, that he was flooded with death threats, so he had to hire body guards.

      I don't know if Koch was always a center-left neoliberal- or he became that way in an attempt to curry favor with the left. I don't blame him for hiding his face.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        As far as the debate about transgenderism goes, I'm not surprised he got beaten like a red-headed stepchild. The trans ideology is one of the most easily refuted concepts to have slithered out from under the academia rock in my lifetime. A 2nd grader could have destroyed him.

        1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

          "slithered out from under the academia rock"

          Nice turn of phrase. ^Thumbs up^

    3. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

      At least, that was PROBABLY Charles Koch debating

      It's not THE Charles Koch. He says he's younger than Dave and has no kids.

  37. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    FOX NEWS OUTRAGE OF THE DAY!!!

    NYC unveils vending machine for drug users, with free crack pipes and Narcan for ODs
    New York's public health vending machines will offer condoms and crack pipes instead of chips and soda

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-unveils-vending-machine-drug-users-free-crack-pipes-narcan-ods

    Dana Perino (hot blonde #7) is moist!

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      She's not your type from your historical postings, Turd.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Are you as outraged as Dana about the Crack-Pipe Vending Machines?

        Are you as moist as Dana when she talks about Dubya and the GOP?

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          1. damikesc   2 years ago

            There was a time where I found Sevo's cut and paste reply to everything from SPB was old.

            I see it is unbelievably well-deserved.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Given your ban, I'd say Dana is too old for you.

        3. damikesc   2 years ago

          WTF is wrong with you?

          1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

            My sentiments exactly. ButtFace obviously has some very serious mental problems.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      What good is a free crack pipe without free crack?

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Crackheads want their Doritos back!

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit, a TDS-addled asshole and a pederast besides.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          You can't even get your druggie stereotypes right. Those are potheads with Doritos, moron.

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

        You grab all the free ones and then sell them to your friends in the shelter for a buck.

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Harm reduction works! The proof is New York, San Francisco, LA and Seattle!

    5. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      "We are in the midst of an overdose crisis in our city, which is taking a fellow New Yorker from us every three hours and is a major cause of falling life expectancy in NYC," said Health Commissioner Dr. Ashwin Vasan in a statement.

      Can someone tell me what the problem is? I mean 8 dead NYC junkies every day? Crime should be plummeting.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Gonna take a lot more than 8.

      2. damikesc   2 years ago

        Must feel nice to have exorbitant taxes being used to pay for crack pipes.

  38. Sevo   2 years ago

    "Oakland mayor considers charging other cities homeless fee"
    [...]
    "OAKLAND, Calif. - Mayor Sheng Thao is contemplating the implementation of a fee for other cities if their homeless residents relocate to Oakland.
    In an interview with The San Francisco Examiner, the mayor raised the possibility of this proposal, which is currently in its preliminary stage. How it would be implemented or enforced has not even been discussed at this point.
    Still, the idea behind the fee is to serve as a deterrent for other cities, discouraging them from sending their homeless population to Oakland. Additionally, the fee aims to help recover some of the expenses incurred by Oakland on programs and initiatives for the homeless..."
    https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-mayor-considers-charging-cities-homeless-fee

    Oaklands, (like SF, 100%D and stupid enough to reward bums handsomely for showing up and staying) now wants to, in effect, tax those living in cities not nearly stupid enough to do so.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Oakland shouldn't be surprised when those cities ask them if they know what the letters F and O stand for.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Time to leave Babylon folks.

  39. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

    So the Constitution has apparently nothing to say on whether California can impose regulations on pork producers outside its jurisdiction, but has a great deal to say on whether Florida can outlaw sterilizing minors.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      “It’s right there in the emanations and penumbras”.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Yes, and what the court says is, "Sterilize away! Gender Identity is 'real'".

      Would love to corner that judge and get him to define it.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        You think he is a biologist?

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          Don't need to be. Gender is the part of the entire miasma that's supposed to be divorced from biology.

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      The constitution is only worth anything when they're not lying about it or simply ignoring it.

    4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      California isn't imposing regulations on pork producers outside its jurisdiction. They can do what they want. California is using nothing more than its market influence, which is a legitimate thing to do within libertarian philosophy.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Bullshit. By imposing their rules the way they do, California is most certainly imposing their mandates on out of state pork producers who sell in California. There are two ways this can go, 1) the producers follow California's rules everywhere so that they can continue selling to 39 million people, or 2) they stop selling to those 39 million people, possibly losing out to the pork producer willing to follow those rules.

      2. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

        State government imposing it's will is Libertarian? Wow.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Yes, it is if they are doing it purely through market influence rather than force.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Again, the state creating rules is not the market. It is an outside force imposing its will on the market, dumbass.

          2. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

            Sorry, but the State passing laws to influence markets has nothing to do with the libertarianism I'm familiar with. Where I come from it's called Fascism.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Passing a law about animal husbandry standards is a pretty darn run-of-the-mill government action with long, long tradition. Hardly some great “fascist” advance.

  40. Sevo   2 years ago

    "‘A foundation of racism’: California’s antiquated water rights system faces new scrutiny"
    [...]
    "It’s an arcane system of water law that dates back to the birth of California — an era when 49ers used sluice boxes and water cannons to scour gold from Sierra Nevada foothills and when the state government promoted the extermination of Native people to make way for white settlers.
    Today, this antiquated system of water rights still governs the use of the state’s supplies, but it is now drawing scrutiny like never before.
    In the face of global warming and worsening cycles of drought, a growing number of water experts, lawmakers, environmental groups and tribes say the time has finally come for change. Some are pushing for a variety of reforms, while others are calling for the outright dismantling of California’s contentious water rights system..."
    https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2023-03-06/is-californias-antiquated-water-rights-system-racist

    I can see the picket signs now: "WATER IS RACIST!"
    These are largely the same doofuses who want to drain Hetch Hetchy Reservoir (the source of SF's and several other cities' water), since 'it's almost as pretty as Yosemite' (right next door).

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Nobody needs 23 ounces of water.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      I learned everything I know about the California water racket from Who Killed Roger Rabbit, or Chinatown, or The Milagro Beanfield War. Can't remember which one.

  41. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    From the offices of Walter Duranty.

    Journalists Are Asking Ukrainian Soldiers To Hide Their Nazi Patches, NYT Admits

    1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      They lied about every other war we’ve been in. Of course they’re lying about this one.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      The Telegraph posted one of those youtube still thingies (I don't know what they're called, but people can post articles to youtube that show as a still frame and then link to another website) about how Russia was getting its ass kicked in Ukraine. I decided to check the comments. Wow were they getting ratio'd.

  42. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    'Exciting' new UMD course aims to remove the 'whiteness' from LGBTQ+ studies

    If you take the whiteness out of 2SLGBTQ+WTFBBQ you're only left with 5 people.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      How about removing LGBTQ+ from whiteness?

  43. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    If this lawsuit against Bob Ferguson is the ongoing one regarding the new Assault weapons ban in Washington State, how can ChatGPT have ANY facts about it as it has "no information past 2021"?

  44. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    They just want the same rights as everyone else.

    "The level of oppression towards the LGBTQIA+ community has reached such a high that they are able to engage in BDSM, on the back of a truck, in the middle of a parade that was organized to celebrate & honor them."

    The longer clip shows all the kids in the crowd.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Were the kids required to join the fags in the truck, with no say from parents? See? Oppression!

    2. damikesc   2 years ago

      Well, they do risk being condescended to to death.

  45. Sevo   2 years ago

    "YIMBYs love to hate her. Inside one Bay Area mayor’s anti-housing campaign"
    [...]
    "As the pro-housing “yes in my backyard” movement has spread across California, bringing with it an avalanche of state laws making it more and more difficult for neighbors to block residential development, Kou has doubled down on her role as the South Bay’s most pugnacious anti-YIMBY, an outspoken critic of what she feels is Sacramento’s overreach in forcing municipalities to build housing.
    She accused the movement of promoting “collectivism” that she said was “reminiscent of the urban planning orthodoxy in the late, great Soviet Union.”
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/yimbys-love-hate-anti-housing-bay-area-mayor-18126194.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result

    Clear-eyed view of Sacto, at least, and there is no "shortage" of housing, unless you include homes at a price you want where you want to live.
    In which case, up yours.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO A COOL HOUSE IN A HIP NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR A COFFEE SHOP AND PUB WITH FREE WIFI AND A GENEROUS UBI!!!

  46. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/GreeneMan6/status/1666431100971896838?t=AFKLkZBRjZZYFJ_uPMpRLw&s=19

    If the rainbows were replaced with ANY OTHER religious or ideological symbol we would immediately recognize this as a "theocracy" of the kind Linker breathlessly warned us about in the late 2000s.

    [Video]

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Imagine if those were crosses.

  47. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1666448337275346949?t=1OWXWL9bwcdpV1llzmiIDw&s=19

    BREAKING: Instagram algorithm exposed promoting pedophile networks in massive investigation, video sales, ‘preteensex’ menus, in-person meetups with underage boys and girls, using emojis such as a map and cheese pizza - WSJ

    [Link]

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Alex Jones right again?

  48. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    WSJ headline: Sexual Misconduct Allegations Roil Taiwan’s U.S.-Friendly Ruling Party

    Now, who would benefit from disrupting Taiwan politics? And who would be happy to make a few bucks helping out? Looking at you, Netflix.

  49. Sevo   2 years ago

    "...notes The New Republic in a piece portraying the bill as a boon to *CURRENT* nail salon workers and businesses..."

    Fixed and not a word about those paying the higher prices.
    Lefty shit have to be dishonest to push their crap, pace turd,

  50. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    A bill that just passed the Louisiana Senate and House with a veto-proof majority would require teachers and schools to get parental permission to refer to a student by any name that is not "the name, or a derivative thereof… that is listed on the student's birth certificate." The measure would also require school employees to "use the pronouns for a student that align with the student's sex unless the student's parent provides written permission to do otherwise."

    Excellent. Another law that needs to pass is that teachers and school officials should be barred from having any secret or back-channel communications with children outside of the parents' knowledge.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)
      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

        If it’s good enough for the BSA, it’s good enough for teachers.

        edit: Now I wish I had quoted you because you deleted your message. I presume you're re-thinking your answer?

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          If you genuinely think that teachers are these rogue ideologues indoctrinating kids to turn them gay and groom them into sex, then fire them and hire better teachers.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Why did you claim teachers had a right to talk to students without parental knowledge and then delete it?

          2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

            If you genuinely think that teachers are these rogue ideologues indoctrinating kids to turn them gay and groom them into sex, then fire them and hire better teachers.

            If you genuinely think that cops are these rogue thugs, illegally beating up people and shooting unarmed suspects, then fire them and hire better cops.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Great analogy! I don't think cops are *in general* racist violent monsters.

              Do you think that teachers are *in general* rogue ideologues indoctrinating students to become gay and grooming them to have sex?

              1. Dillinger   2 years ago

                if I say no will you stop with the equivalencies?

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  You mean, the equivalency that Diane/Paul constructed?

          3. Zeb   2 years ago

            Yeah, that should happen. But for that to happen, parent's need to know if teachers are doing such things.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          Presumably you are a professional in a certain field. How many rules would you tolerate in your field that try to micromanage your professional behavior before you would say "I'm tired of being treated like an imbecile and not as the professional that I am"?

          1. Nobartium   2 years ago

            Professionals do the job knowing that there will be many rules they don't agree with. And no pro worth their salt doesn't expect their employer to ever constrain their work behavior.

            That's what actually makes them professional.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Sure, there will always be some rules. But it is possible to go too far. That is my point.

              My sense is that there are plenty of people here willing to go "too far" when it comes to micromanaging rules about teachers, because they don't really view teachers as professionals worthy of professional respect.

              1. damikesc   2 years ago

                Knowing education majors in college makes one not view them as professionals not worthy of respect.

                Seeing their rampant misspellings and brutally bad grammar in grading papers makes one not view them as professionals not worthy of respect.

                Seeing how abysmal school performance has been for a while makes one not view them as professionals worthy of respect.

              2. Nobartium   2 years ago

                They aren't, and they never have been. Education writ large has always existed as a societal drain of resources. It's not that we need fewer educated, but that it can be done with way fewer teachers (or fewer students per teacher).

                Unionization doesn't help their perception, but ultimately it's their inevitable elitism that pushes people away. There's no fixing that beyond limiting exposure or building trust. Talking down about parents will never do so.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  Right, you don't see them as professionals, so you don't mind imposing rules on them that you would reject being imposed on yourself as being insulting or degrading towards your professionalism. Got it.

                  1. damikesc   2 years ago

                    Well, he is an ACTUAL professional.

                    Teachers are free to quit.

                    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Not with their test scores and education backgrounds.

                    2. damikesc   2 years ago

                      I said free to quit.

                      Never said they'd be hireable elsewhere.

                  2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                    You're really determined to protect your fellow pedos.

                  3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    You are aware that rules are imposed on professionals all the time?

                  4. Nobartium   2 years ago

                    The old adage of "those who can't, teach" still applies.

                    Sorry you failed to internalize a basic lesson of human history.

              3. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                And once again jeff decides the line is based on his beliefs and only his beliefs after admitting there is a set of rules. Doing so only after a failed attempt at an appeal to authority.

              4. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

                "My sense..."

                You lost the thread right there.

          2. damikesc   2 years ago

            "Presumably you are a professional in a certain field. How many rules would you tolerate in your field that try to micromanage your professional behavior before you would say “I’m tired of being treated like an imbecile and not as the professional that I am”?"

            If you're my employee, which a teacher is, I would let them know that there is an exit behind them and they are free to use it.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              But it is a two-way street. If the employer keeps imposing more and more onerous and insulting rules onto employees, then the employees will eventually quit and find better jobs that don't have such rules. Then the employer won't have anyone working for him/her. Then what?

              1. damikesc   2 years ago

                That's called a good situation.

                We left schools to themselves for decades. We learned, thanks to the shutdowns that the teachers union supported so, that doing so was a horrific mistake and they should not be given control over much of anything.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                  Well, someone has to teach the kids.

                  Homeschooling is great, but not everyone has the ability nor resources to do so.

                  So if you make the rules so onerous that school districts have a hard time finding teachers, who is going to teach the kids?

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                    Well, someone has to teach the kids.

                    Correct. It just won't be them.

                    Homeschooling is great, but not everyone has the ability nor resources to do so.

                    Only due to the influence of feminism in society over the last 50 years.

                    So if you make the rules so onerous that school districts have a hard time finding teachers, who is going to teach the kids?

                    Another false dilemma from chemtard--"If teachers aren't allowed to indoctrinate your kids in leftism and convince them they are trans, you won't have any teachers!"

                  2. damikesc   2 years ago

                    Let's try it and find out.

                    We will not be doing worse than we are presently.

                    You are OK with totally revamping the entire concept of gender. I am OK with totally revamping education in this country.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Okay, it is as I suspected. You aren't actually concerned with whether or not kids get educated. The most important thing in your view seems to be that *those teachers* lose their jobs.

                    2. damikesc   2 years ago

                      No, jeff. The kids ALREADY are not being educated. Colleges have to do remedial classes for most freshmen because, shockingly, SCHOOLS DO NOT TEACH THEM WELL.

                      "Oh no, who will ever...not educate the kids for a total of 180 days a year?"

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Well, that's not true. Students aren't learning all that they should but that is not the same as saying that they are learning nothing at all.

                    4. damikesc   2 years ago

                      "Well, that’s not true. Students aren’t learning all that they should but that is not the same as saying that they are learning nothing at all."

                      True. They are "learning" that there are 102 genders and how to do anal more effectively.

                      They are not learning anything meaningful.

                    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                      Well, that’s not true. Students aren’t learning all that they should but that is not the same as saying that they are learning nothing at all.

                      chemtard also loves his strawmen.

                      The stats on remedial classes are indisputable, you fat fuck. Tell us again how parents should shut up so the "experts" can "do their job without interference."

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                If the employer keeps imposing more and more onerous and insulting rules onto employees, then the employees will eventually quit and find better jobs that don’t have such rules.

                Since when is demanding that teachers and school administrators not hide their efforts to brainwash someone's kid into thinking they are "born in the wrong body" an "onerous rule"?

          3. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Teachers are hardly professionals. The most successful charter schools hire non teachers and produce much better learning.

            College entrance exam scores show education majors to be bottom of the barrel. They are not experts.

            Anyone can teach any subject they know. There are no mystical tricks to teaching. Every corporation develops classes.

            Your appeal to authorities in this regard is quite retarded and a blanket for your weak as usual arguments.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

        No it isnt pedo.

        Jeff deleted. His comment was laws against teachers hiding things from parents was a fourth amendment violation.

        1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          Get rid of public schools. Problem solved.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            Getting rid of publicly-owned and run schools is a good idea but it doesn't solve all the problems. Because even if all schools were privatized there would still be the matter of educational standards.

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              Weird how the lack of the perfect world stops you cold HERE but in so few other mental exercises.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Who says it "stops me cold"? I am fine with privatizing schools. I am simply not under any illusion that it will solve all the problems associated with education.

            2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

              "the matter of educational standards" would be determined by the schools themselves and the parents who choose to put their kids there.

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      Here are some more proposed reforms for teaching:

      - Surveillance cameras in the classroom connected to the Internet so anyone can see at any time what is going on in the classroom
      - Body cams for teachers and all school staff so that all can see what they do
      - All school email is immediately posted on a public website, so no hiding secrets from the public
      - All lesson plans, class exercises, and assessments must be prepared a semester ahead of time and approved by majority vote of the voters in the school district, and teachers are forbidden from deviating from the approved plan
      - No guest speakers are allowed in the classroom at any time, because those guest speakers might represent ways to circumvent the rules and sneak in forbidden ideologies into the classroom
      - Teachers are required to deliver their lesson plan in the form of a prepared script that is written by the state legislature

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

        Your “professional teachers” will agree to none of that retard.

        They already hide instructional material. Teachers even brag on tik tok about lying to parents.

        Fuck off you dishonest shit weasel.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          Why teachers feel the need to open up about their sex lives to seven year olds is something I'll never understand.

          Must be that professionalism.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            By "sex lives", do you mean discussion of gender identity?

            Do you consider a discussion of gender identity to be equivalent to be a discussion about sexual intercourse?

            Which teacher is talking to seven year olds about "sex lives", meaning, sexual intercourse? That teacher should be at a minimum disciplined if not fired.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              And we see sea lion behaviors in effect.

              Jeff assumes the argument baseline must accept gender identity as real.

            2. damikesc   2 years ago

              1) Teachers are not free to pass their delusions onto children that are not theirs. If they believe themselves to be a different gender, that is between them and their tiny circle of friends and family.

              2) Teachers are not competent to teach their own "disciplines". They are even less competent to teach absurd nonsense that does not exist.

              3) Again, why so damned vital to discuss this with kids unable to process this idiocy?

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                I see.

                So a heterosexual teacher is free to act and dress according to the social conventions of polite public heterosexual behavior. (Men wear slacks and ties, women wear necklaces and heels, etc.)

                But non-heterosexual teachers have to remain closeted in public and must project a false image of themselves in public, in order to "protect the children".

                Is that right?

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                  So a heterosexual teacher is free to act and dress according to the social conventions of polite public heterosexual behavior. (Men wear slacks and ties, women wear necklaces and heels, etc.)

                  But non-heterosexual teachers have to remain closeted in public and must project a false image of themselves in public, in order to “protect the children”.

                  When they promote gender Lysenkoism the name of "liberation" and "equity," yes. In fact, any teacher that does promote such things should be harrassed out of the school district as a threat to public safety and social order.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    So, public spaces are to be reserved only for the dominant, normative social conventions, and everyone else has to stay in the closet and scurry around in the shadows.

                    Would you make it illegal for a transgender person to be a schoolteacher?

                    1. damikesc   2 years ago

                      "So, public spaces are to be reserved only for the dominant, normative social conventions, and everyone else has to stay in the closet and scurry around in the shadows."

                      Schools yes. Act normal. YOUR personal expression doesn't mean jack shit to me. You're being paid to do a job.

                      "Would you make it illegal for a transgender person to be a schoolteacher?"

                      Illegal? No. They'd just have to dress appropriately. If they cannot, c'est la vie. Their problem, not mine.

                      I am their boss. They are not mine.

                    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                      So, public spaces are to be reserved only for the dominant, normative social conventions, and everyone else has to stay in the closet and scurry around in the shadows.

                      You mean like how it's worked for most of human history?

                      Yes, I'm quite fine with pedophiles and people who think their sacred duty is to convince kids they are "born in the wrong body" being socially marginalized.

                      Would you make it illegal for a transgender person to be a schoolteacher?

                      Are they trying to convince kids they are something other than what they objectively aren't?

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Schools yes. Act normal. YOUR personal expression doesn’t mean jack shit to me.

                      But that is not true. As evidenced by your response below, you are totally fine with 'personal expression', as long as it is the personal expression of 'normal' heterosexual people conforming to 'normal' heterosexual social conventions.

                      But what about beyond schools? Because you insist on this purportedly to 'protect the children'. Should this same rule apply to public spaces more generally, where kids might go? How about libraries or restaurants or amusement parks? Everyone must conform to the heterosexual standard 'or else'?

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      You mean like how it’s worked for most of human history?

                      Like most of human history where homosexuality and homosexual acts were literal crimes, sometimes punishable by death? Is that the standard that we should return to here?

                    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                      Like most of human history where homosexuality and homosexual acts were literal crimes, sometimes punishable by death? Is that the standard that we should return to here?

                      Damn, you really love those false dilemmas, don't you?

                2. damikesc   2 years ago

                  "So a heterosexual teacher is free to act and dress according to the social conventions of polite public heterosexual behavior. (Men wear slacks and ties, women wear necklaces and heels, etc.)

                  But non-heterosexual teachers have to remain closeted in public and must project a false image of themselves in public, in order to “protect the children”."

                  Yup.

                  Glad you got it.

                  Your job is not the site for you to engage in personal expression. They are there to do a job.

                  Don't want teachers to discuss the amazing blowjob a hooker gave them last night or how their boyfriend pounded their clit like a speedbag with kids, either.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    Your job is not the site for you to engage in personal expression. They are there to do a job.

                    So, you would forbid a trans woman teacher from wearing a necklace and heels to school, because that is 'personal expression'. But what about the heterosexual woman teacher who wears a necklace and heels to school? How is that not also 'personal expression'?

                    1. damikesc   2 years ago

                      "So, you would forbid a male teacher from wearing a necklace and heels to school, because that is ‘personal expression’. But what about the heterosexual woman teacher who wears a necklace and heels to school? How is that not also ‘personal expression’?"

                      Fixed your post for you. You're welcome.

                      One is professional attire and one is akin to Bozo, but less dignified.

                3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                  It’s called being a professional.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    So, just so we all understand.

                    In your view, "being a professional" means that everyone adopts the heterosexual social conventions in public, regardless of whether or not they are heterosexual?

                    1. damikesc   2 years ago

                      Homosexuals cannot dress like their actual sex?

                      Weird, because I've seen plenty do it for decades now.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Heterosexuals cannot dress like the opposite sex? Weird, because I've seen that done too.

                      Of course anyone CAN dress however they like. The question is why you are insisting that everyone MUST conform to a SINGLE standard that you decree is the 'correct' and 'professional' standard.

                    3. damikesc   2 years ago

                      "Heterosexuals cannot dress like the opposite sex? Weird, because I’ve seen that done too."

                      In professional settings? Yeah, sure.

                      "In your view, “being a professional” means that everyone adopts the heterosexual social conventions in public, regardless of whether or not they are heterosexual?"

                      Define these conventions, please.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      For example, attending a traditional wedding as a guest. The custom is, men wear suits and women wear formal dresses. So if a trans man shows up to a wedding in a suit, and otherwise looks presentable, what is the problem?

                    5. damikesc   2 years ago

                      "For example, attending a traditional wedding as a guest. The custom is, men wear suits and women wear formal dresses. So if a trans man shows up to a wedding in a suit, and otherwise looks presentable, what is the problem?"

                      Who the fuck mentioned weddings?

                      We were discussing teachers in schools.

                      Stick to A topic, please.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                They are even less competent to teach absurd nonsense that does not exist.

                Is that so.

                Say, damikesc, are you an American citizen? I am going to assume the answer is yes. So, legally speaking, you are an American.

                But, a different question is, how patriotic are you? Are you proud to be an American, or are you ashamed? Do you participate in patriotic rituals like flying a flag on Independence Day, or do you ignore them? Answers to these questions get to the question of how much your citizenship contributes to your personal identity.

                Take two people, who are both exactly equal in terms of their citizenship status, and one could be ashamed to be an American and is planning to emigrate as soon as possible, while the other is proud to be an American and would never choose any other place.

                So there is a difference between one's legal citizenship status (citizen or not) and one's personal sense of identity associated with that citizenship (sense of patriotism).

                It is the same with sex and gender. There is a difference between one's biological sex (male or female), and one's personal sense of identity associated with the social conventions of that sex.

                1. damikesc   2 years ago

                  Is this more bears in trunks nonsense?

                  You are the shits at making cogent arguments.

                  There is no thing as "gender" outside of the study of language. Sorry to break it to you.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    I made a very good argument, that you can't refute evidently.

                    Gender identity is a real thing. It is one part of all the different identities that we all have.

                    1. damikesc   2 years ago

                      No, it is not a real thing.

                      Explain what "feeling like a woman" means without using a circular definition.

                      I'll wait.

                    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                      Explain what “feeling like a woman” means without using a circular definition.

                      He can't even explain what a woman is. Because he's never actually been with one that wasn't getting railed on a computer screen.

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Explain what “feeling like a woman” means without using a circular definition.

                      Your question cannot truthfully be answered without context.

                      Is it in the context of a person wearing a dress?
                      Is it in the context of a teenage female going through puberty?
                      Is it in the context of having sexual intercourse?

                      Because I don't know if by "woman" you mean the biological sex, or the gender role associated with women. So that is an unfair question to ask.

                      So let me ask you a question. What is the word you would like to use to describe a person who is a biological male, but projects a public appearance which is indistinguishable from the social conventions associated with a woman?

                      Furthermore, what is the word you would like to use to describe a person who projects a public appearance which is indistinguishable from the social conventions associated with a woman, who may or may not be a biological male or biological female, you just don't know (because normal people don't do genital checks on strangers in public)?

                    4. damikesc   2 years ago (edited)

                      A simple “I cannot do so” would have been much shorter.

                      If you’re a male and you say you feel like a female (which is the entirety of “gender identity”) — what does that mean? And use, again, a non-circular definition.

                    5. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      I gave a good faith response to the question that you posed so why don’t you try answering my question.

                    6. damikesc   2 years ago

                      You did NOT answer the question.

                      And ignoring your question is about as much thought as it justified.

                      Stick to bears in trunks.

                  2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    It's more "bears in trunks" nonsense.

                    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

                      What about transbears in dick-tucking bikinis?

                  3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)
  51. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    JFree's mom?

    Crazy climate activist goes on and on berating a guy for "sitting in the car with the engine running, polluting the atmosphere"

    ... He's in a Tesla

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      … He’s in a Tesla

      Over/under on whether the crazy activist woman was the guy's wife?

    2. Dillinger   2 years ago

      isn't making a Tesla enviro-harmful? maybe she side-stepped into truth

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        My point below. The best case scenario for us infidels is the Climate Shias and Climate Sunnis completely Jihad the fuck out of each other.

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          I like it. Also, long live The Iron Sheik.

    3. mad.casual   2 years ago

      I 100% approve of any/all fist fights between Climate Reverend Lovejoy and Climate Ned Flanders.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        ^+1

    4. Sevo   2 years ago

      Hey, the smoke when those batteries catch fire is awesome!

  52. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    How age-verification laws threaten our First Amendment right to anonymity.

    Cody Wilson agrees!

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      separating the gun argument & the teenager stupidity is difficult.

  53. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Most libertarian governor ever.

    BREAKING: Gov. Jared Polis vetoes bill that would have given local governments right of first refusal to buy multifamily housing.
    Veto was handed down exact moment polls closed in Denver...

    How dreamy is that?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Governor McDreamy.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      The problem is mainly that the champagne socialists who run the state have all these big ideas, based on the latest dumb policy fashions they jerk themselves off over at cocktail parties and NGO symposiums, and absolutely none of them will actually work to lower the cost of housing in the state.

      What's little known, because people in the state are getting dumber by the second, is that multifamily housing was crippled for years by a draconian liability law that incentivized developers to focus on single-family homes. This led to an absolute explosion of subdivisions across the Front Range, while the mountain towns featured the construction of a bunch of mansions that out-of-state owners used as Air BnBs. Combine that with rock-bottom interest rates, years of in-migration from California and the east coast, the state's economy being taken over by tech and drugs, and relentless cheerleading for a MASSIVE immigration wave from Central America that's been going on since 2000, and you have an excellent recipe for a state with unaffordable housing across the board, no matter where you live unless you want to get something near the Kansas border. I've seen homes in places like Agate and Deer Trail, which are WAY the fuck out from the metro area, going for $330-400K. That's absolutely insane.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Yes, Coloformnia is heading in many bad directions. Back in the day, life in my town in the SW part of the state was well-funded by oil and gas activity, and related taxes, and the cost of living (especially housing) was moderate. Now we have no industrial base, the liberal ex-Californians have doubled house prices and are busy fucking with people who live in more rural areas, and regular people are being forced out.

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Soooooo Dreamy!

  54. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Far from being something that should subject OpenAI to legal liability, the fact that OpenAI knows ChatGPT has some issues is a good sign.

    imposes a duty?

  55. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>How age-verification laws threaten our First Amendment right to anonymity.

    what's the trade? raped and murdered teenagers?

    1. Zeb   2 years ago

      Oh, teenagers will always find ways to get themselves raped and murdered.

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        exactly.

  56. mad.casual   2 years ago

    such as whether Section 230

    OMFG!
    Section 230... the 1A of self-driving cars!
    Section 230... the 1A of shitty smart TVs!
    Section 230... the 1A of automatic toasters!
    Section 230... the 1A of programmable VCRs!
    Section 230... the 1A of T-800 Infiltration Units!

    Fucking retarded Reason jurinalists (and their sources) protect everything and nothing simultaneously by using S230 to shoehorn it all into the 1A.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Jess Miers, a lawyer with the business group Chamber of Progress, addresses some other potential concerns about the case, such as whether Section 230—the law protecting online platforms from some legal liability for content derived from third parties—will factor in.

      No matter what one thinks of Section 230, this is some weapons grade retard here.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        The whole piece is abject shit.

        Ctrl+f "criminal": 0 results.

        So when retard says "legal liability" he's either intentionally obfuscating or abjectly clueless.

        If we go hunting, you point out a deer, I aim at the deer and pull the trigger, a manufacturing defect causes the gun to explode and injur you or us, the firearm manufacturer is *absolutely* liable for the civil damages whether they're criminally liable or not. Further, if the manufacturer is made aware of the defect and fails to take good faith corrective actions, they frequently are held criminally liable. Both the auto and firearms industry, both who enjoy some special protections against liability, are rather fastidious in this regard. Others, like portions of the pharma industry are... 100% safe and effective with no downsides!

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Hey, what's a little myocarditis between friends?

        2. mad.casual   2 years ago

          It's like having a discussion with retarded Boomers:

          Dad: "Goddamned political hermaphrodites! ChatGPT is getting sued for spreading misinformation!"
          "Kid": Dad, ChatGPT isn't getting sued. OpenAI is getting sued.
          Dad: It's like that Section 230 thing. You remember how Elizabeth Nolan Brown used to talk about algorithms, right? It's just like that! And remember when Ron Bailey couldn't figure out how people struck by self-driving cars were going to seek remuneration by suing the cars?"
          "Kid": Yeah, Dad, that was equally stupid. The algorithms and cars weren't being sued it was the corporations promising targeted advertising, open, platforms, and general TOS, and pedestrian and collision avoidance... and failing on all fronts, that were getting sued.
          Dad: But if people can sue like that, it will be the death of free speech and technological progress!
          "Kid": Oh, Jesus Christ, Dad. You're the one who told *me* that this country rose up and claimed it's freedom from the collusion between the Crown and the EIC. Free speech didn't come until after the taxed tea had been dumped in the harbor. Even citing Ron Bailey's example you acknowledge that someone struck by a self-driving car through no fault of their own is owed a redress of grievances. It's right there in the 1A too! I think it's time for your nap. Here, have a couple, five, nine of these sleeping pills and three fingers of whiskey to wash them down with... there you go. Nighty-night.

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

            Damn fine work.

  57. Dillinger   2 years ago

    where's the piece about Brandon's time @1600 Pennsylvania being spent covering up O's crimes?

  58. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    So I listened to some of the debate between Dave Smith and Charles Koch. It is long, haven't finished it yet, but it is interesting thus far. What was most interesting to me was to see Dave Smith's reasoning for how this recent surge in transgenderism has emerged.

    He apparently believes that there is this amorphous blob of "the Left" that is deliberately pushing transgenderism, and that is indoctrinating people into thinking that they might be trans. So this might be teachers in school, universities, Hollywood, etc., who all come back in some way to the government. He specifically used the example of a teacher in class asking students about what their preferred pronouns are. Some people might see this as a sign of respect - the teacher wants to know what is the most respectful way to address the student. But to Dave, apparently asking students about pronouns is a tool of indoctrination - because it opens up their minds to the possibility that they are free to choose pronouns other than the ones they have been using up until then. That belief, that one has the choice to choose one's own pronouns, is apparently "indoctrination" that students shouldn't be exposed to.

    I find this viewpoint to be paranoid, but illuminating nonetheless.

    And Dave completely scoffs at the idea that kids might be choosing to consider their own gender identity, that would not be a result of teachers or this amorphous "Left" indoctrinating kids into believing it. After all, Dave's own kids would have no idea about "gender fluidity", and Dave's parents and grandparents had no idea about such nonsense things! Where would kids get these ideas if not being indoctrinated by teachers into believing such nonsense? Dave of course ignores the totally plausible idea that kids nowadays have much more pervasive access to social media and one does not need to posit some vast government-backed conspiracy indoctrinating students into becoming trans to think that kids might form their own ideas about gender identity regardless of what any teacher might think.

    But then again, Dave apparently think that if a teacher asks students what their pronouns are, that that's enough to convince a student that they might be trans.

    So, is this what you all think as well? That kids are being programmed or indoctrinated into becoming transgender? If so, then what do you imagine is the purpose of this indoctrination?

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      fucking with children's minds is evil. the purpose is to destroy.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        So what is the difference between "education that expands a child's mind" and "indoctrination that fucks with a child's mind"? It is largely in the eye of the beholder.

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          no, it's not. blatant common sense differences you won't cop to.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            The people teaching this stuff believe they are teaching common sense. They're not the bad guys in their story.

            1. Dillinger   2 years ago

              they're fucking retarded to believe and teach gender can change and they need to be mocked into nonexistence. it's destructive and nothing more. sorry.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                I can tell you for a fact that child psychologists, as in the educated credentialed professionals, will disagree. This isn't something on the fringe. It's fully mainstream. If you want someone to yell at, yell at them.

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  It is still the fringe. Look at actual surveys. But then again I have yet to see you not blindly believe a media based narrative.

                2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  Go away Jesse. The adults are talking.

                  1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                    You and Jeff are the opposite if adults. Adults stick to facts not narratives. You have been given evidence but choose to instead push narratives based on who your team is and who you hate. That is not adult behavior.

                    Adults don't run and hide from ideas they disagree with.

                  2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    Adults don't burn steaks intentionally.

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      All that clown makeup is rotting your brain.

                3. Dillinger   2 years ago

                  ya a child psychologist and a couple private high school teachers put my nephew in a dress.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    I've seen similar. Still not sure how much is nurture vs nature.

                    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

                      100%. he was just going to be gay and now he'll be suicide

                4. JoeB   2 years ago

                  Quackery can be popular for years before reality sinks its teeth in.

            2. JesseAz   2 years ago

              And sarc joins in defending cultural marxism because his viewed enemies are against it.

              We don't defend teaching people lies. Flat earth, creationism, or any of it. That is not the domain of schools first and foremost.

              It is not fucking common sense. If it was it wouldn't initiate in colleges and flow out through indoctrination of institutions. THAT is the literal opposite of common sense dumdum.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Are you a parent? Do you have any respect for the rights of parents? If not, then just fuck off.

        3. JoeB   2 years ago

          Don't tell my kids they can force others to use language, in this case pronouns, which runs counter to clear and obvious objective reality. This is supposed to be a libertarian site... right?

    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      That kids are being programmed or indoctrinated into becoming transgender?

      From what I've seen they're learning about it on social media and from each other, regardless of what schools say or do.

      If so, then what do you imagine is the purpose of this indoctrination?

      I have yet to get a coherent answer to that. Especially the groomer angle. Who are kids being groomed for? The so-called "groomers" will be old and gross in the eyes of the kids by the time they are of age.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        You have been given the answers many many times. Cultural marxist theories are the basis of both CRT and critical gender theory.

        You've been given links to many sources. You refuse to educate yourself. James Lindsay has a podcast on the origins using the critical theories own writings as the source. It is audio so you won't be forced to read. We know you love books on tape, so educate yourself.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        From what I’ve seen they’re learning about it on social media and from each other, regardless of what schools say or do.

        I agree - it's not teachers that are pushing it, it's teachers and schools that are reacting to it. They're not asking about pronouns because "I want to convince them they are transgender", they are asking about pronouns because "I don't know if they are transgender or not so I want to be as respectful as I can".

        But Dave (or someone who is aligned with Dave) might say "but where do those social media messages come from? They come from left-wing cultural sources which ultimately derive from ... the government! So they try to shoe-horn government as the source of all bad things because it's easy to get libertarians riled up against the government. But that is more of a pretext than an argument.

        I have yet to get a coherent answer to that. Especially the groomer angle. Who are kids being groomed for? The so-called “groomers” will be old and gross in the eyes of the kids by the time they are of age.

        Yeah I don't think even they really believe that teachers en masse are grooming kids for sex. They just hate teachers so much they don't mind calling them pedophiles as a slur.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Everything you say is a lie Jeff. The training material is well known.

          https://www.dailywire.com/news/san-diego-schools-train-teachers-to-break-the-gender-binary-impose-radical-gender-theory-on-students

      3. Zeb   2 years ago

        I think it is probably true that that is more of an influence than schools. But it would be nice if schools would inject some sanity on the subject, or stay clear of it altogether, rather than reinforcing it.
        I don't buy that the world is run by pedophiles and I'm not convinced there is any plan behind all this. Seems more like a "madness of crowds" kind of thing with plenty of different interests in the mix.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Critical gender theory has its roots in universities. This is not occurring naturally but synthetically. It's roots go all the way back to Kensey. Universities began pushing this to education colleges in the 90s. Teachers are trained to identify, isolate, and indoctrinate. The formation of ESL has accelerated it, starting under Obama. For every step there is an identified push from a synthetic source. This is not naturally growing from kids.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          inject some sanity on the subject

          What would "injecting sanity" look like?

          What one might view as "sanity" the other would view as "lies" or "indoctrination".

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

            Facts and evidence. Not post modernist bullshit.

            The difference between "if you want to dress as the opposite do so, fredom.." vs "you dressed as the opposite sex therefore you are the opposite sex."

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              Post-modernist...
              Jeffy must be coming from the same place as Tony. Tony claimed to be a post-modernist to me.

        3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          But it would be nice if schools would inject some sanity on the subject, or stay clear of it altogether, rather than reinforcing it.

          Yeah. I'm ambivalent on the subject. I don't think it should be ignored, but I also believe it's being given too much attention. From everyone.

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

      You are too dumb to know or understand cultural marxism despite its documented history. You also deny all evidence showing it. You also support post modernism which is their preferred vehicle.

      It was just 2 or 3 years ago you were defending 2+2=5.

    4. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      There's enough straw in there to build an army of strawmen.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        Do you think that if you keep repeating that, that eventually everyone will believe it?

        All are free to watch the debate for themselves and see if my characterization of it is correct or not.

        Did you watch the debate? How is my characterization above incorrect?

        Oh wait - I bet you didn't even watch it, and if you did, you know that how I characterized Dave's position is largely accurate but you cannot say so publicly lest you be cast out of The Tribe, so you launch an insult instead.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          You are so full of bluster just to say so little, Jeffy. I'd swear you're trying to baffle everyone with bullshit.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          It was not correct. Have already listened.

    5. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      He apparently believes that there is this amorphous blob of “the Left” that is deliberately pushing transgenderism, and that is indoctrinating people into thinking that they might be trans.

      And he is correct.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        Wait, but ITC above said that it was a strawman argument. Perhaps you'd like to correct him on that point.

    6. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      what do you imagine is the purpose of this indoctrination?

      This is chapter 1 in the Bolshevik playbook. Find a way, ANY possible way, to separate the kids from the parents' influence. then you replace that with your bolshevik influence and you control the next generation.

      There's nothing more threatening to the bolsheviks than intact well-adjusted families. They are the true enemies of the glorious revolution.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        There’s nothing more threatening to the bolsheviks than intact well-adjusted families.

        Hmm. So what about those families who do have transgender kids, but who are nonetheless intact and well-adjusted? If your hypothesis is correct, then this would seem to be an UNDESIRABLE result from the revolutionaries' point of view, even though the "indoctrination" was successful.

        1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          no one has "transgender kids". it's not a thing.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            Fine - what about those families who have a kid that claims to be transgender, the family accepts that, and stays intact and well-adjusted?

            Your implied assumption here is that transgender 'indoctrination' serves to break up families which is the whole point for furthering the Bolshevik revolution. What happens when the family isn't broken up?

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Fine – what about those families who have a kid that claims to be transgender, the family accepts that, and stays intact and well-adjusted?

              Like Jazz Jennings?

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            2. JoeB   2 years ago

              Great. Just don't f with the kid's physique until 18, and don't ask my kids to pretend they aren't how they were born.

  59. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

    Belarusian president, Alexander Lukashenko, ended up in a Moscow hospital immediately after a meeting with Putin.

    It happened one day after Lukashenko made a statement that any nation who joined the Russia-Belarus alliance would be given nuclear weapons. But it wasn't clear if or how that statement connected to his meeting with Putin or his sudden-onset illness.

    Yesterday, Belarus was passed over for a seat on the U.N. Security Council:

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-ally-denied-election-un-security-council-wake-ukraine-war

    I wonder if Belarus' being under consideration for a seat on the council is the missing link between Lukashenko's saber-rattling statement and Putin's apparent displeasure:

    "But opposition to Belarus’ appointment by the General Assembly was not a guarantee after it elected Iran — which has also been a top Russia supporter in its war efforts in Ukraine — to a vice presidential role on the General Committee for the 78th session set to begin in September."

    Maybe Putin wanted Belarus to play it cool so they would win the seat.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      I was wondering if Lukashenko ever left that Moscow hospital. This is the most recent article I've been able to find:

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12155029/Lukashenko-passed-bleeding-Moscow-visit-politician-claims.html

      "Belarus despot Alexander Lukashenko 'passed out' and was 'bleeding from everywhere' after he collapsed for the second time in a month while visiting Vladimir Putin in Moscow, opposition politician claims"

  60. infogeek   2 years ago

    Ai technology is still new to use and can give misinformation as for tools like Chat Gpt they have their own limitations because it can give correct data only before 2021. Thanks for highlighting such issues. Also you can visit us at https://www.halfcircles.in/Startups.html

  61. Dan Walker   2 years ago

    How radical have the changes in the African regions during the implementation of satellite innovations, satellite companies in south africa? Many satellite decisions include a unique approach to their programs, which in the best way corresponds to the local climate and requirements.

  62. Zeb   2 years ago

    I very much doubt that the strong supporters of such policies are suffering much if at all.

  63. JesseAz   2 years ago

    I disagree it is a rational or objective analysis because states have always set medical standards on top of federal regulations.

  64. JesseAz   2 years ago

    He has dropped Reasons name multiple times.

  65. HorseConch   2 years ago

    They might know a Big Guy who could help out.

  66. damikesc   2 years ago

    I guess poor faith arguments is the hallmark of radical individualism.

  67. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

    The last bullet point is especially humorous because it's the state that sets the educational standards, and chemtard thinks he's clever by including it.

  68. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Incorrect. They support it at the level their lefty boos have control over.

  69. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    No. I was thinking the same thing.

  70. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

    Here's hoping it's a false dichotomy and there's a more peaceful way.

  71. HorseConch   2 years ago

    Haven't you seen how the Ukrainian drones were destroying the entire Russian army for like 2 weeks before they didn't? I'm sure they could have sent a single soldier on a free dive with a couple grenades and handled it.

  72. Zeb   2 years ago

    It's not as if blue California cities weren't already full of illegal immigrants.
    If all the other problems these places have created aren't changing how they vote, I don't see this doing much either.
    I'm not arguing against the stunts necessarily. I just don't think they will accomplish much.

  73. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Oh, so we are going to play the "false generalization fallacy" game then? Because you found one quote from one nutbar who said one crazy thing, that means everyone on that team is a crazy nutbar?

    Well in that case, here is this, just from yesterday:

    https://reason.com/2023/06/06/stop-piling-charges-on-mom-of-6-year-old-shooter/?comments=true#comment-10095302

    Let’s remember the child shot a teacher. The kid should get a reward for eliminating goverment waste

    So, we can all assume then that you, Chucky, approve of murdering teachers, or at the bare minimum, looking the other way while your henchmen murder teachers for you. Isn't that right Chucky?

  74. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

    It's hard to imagine that his neighbors are not wary of him. Unless he never leaves Mom's basement and they don't interact with him at all.

  75. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

    "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

  76. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Kids are being introduced to the concepts of homosexuality and transgenderism as early as kindergarten.

    As long as the presentation is age-appropriate and professional, what is the issue? Am I supposed to be upset by this? Unlike you, I don't view a discussion of homosexuality or transgenderism to be equivalent to a discussion of sexual intercourse, or "sexualizing kids", or stealing their innocence, or any of these other parade of horribles that you and your social conservative pals throw out there.

    "Sometimes, a prince and a princess can fall in love. Or, sometimes, two princes can fall in love. Or, sometimes, two princesses can fall in love." <-- age-appropriate discussion of homosexuality for kindergartners. What's the problem?

  77. ElvisIsReal   2 years ago

    Take a look at videos from Chicago -- it looks like a MAGA meeting.

    https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/if-borders-are-imaginary-why-should

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