The Rise of Right-Progressivism
The post-liberal conservatives who disparage "right-liberalism" are unapologetic proponents of actual left-wing policies.

An epithet has emerged on the post-liberal fringes of the online conservative movement: right-liberal. It's a term these critics apply to libertarians, old-school Reaganite conservatives, and anyone else who prefers individualism to collectivism or believes that it benefits everyone to keep markets as free as possible from government meddling.
Liberal in this context means classically liberal, the political outlook that emphasizes individual rights, limited government, and the rule of law. But the writers who deploy this supposedly disparaging sobriquet hope that rank-and-file conservatives will hear liberal and assume a leftist orientation.
"America is an idea," scoffed Newsweek Opinion Editor Josh Hammer in a recent tweet. He attributed that sentiment to "every right-liberal and left-liberal platitude-regurgitator ever." Note the facile elision of any difference between the two groups: To be a "right-liberal," in Hammer's formulation, is no better than to be a Democrat.
Yet right-liberalism and left-liberalism, to borrow the terms, are not exactly interchangeable. Old-fashioned American conservatives favor deregulation, legal protection of private property, free trade, decentralization of power, and reliance on a thick stratum of community institutions ("little platoons") rather than government to solve social problems. Left-liberals—a.k.a. progressives—favor nationalization, bureaucratization, standardization, regulation, taxation, and redistribution. On the American right, their position has long been viewed as a rejection of core conservative commitments.
The journalist Matthew Continetti put it well at a conference last November. "The classical liberalism that we're talking about, I think, is the liberalism enshrined in the Declaration of Independence," he said. "But there's another liberalism. There is modern liberalism, or progressivism, which the conservative movement has traditionally understood itself in opposition to."
Post-liberal scribblers like Hammer "collapse distinctions," Continetti noted. "It's all one thing. Everything that conservative movement figures for decades said was a problem of modern liberalism or progressivism, they say, actually stems directly from the American founding."
But the invocation of "right-liberalism" is ironic as well as facile, because the post-liberals who disparage it are unapologetic proponents of actual left-wing policies, such as tariffs, industrial subsidies, and aggressive antitrust action, even against companies that don't meet the traditional definition of monopolies. It would be no exaggeration to designate this cohort right-progressives. And just about the only thing that makes them right is that they hope to use their power, once attained, to enforce aspects of traditional religious morality rather than left-wing identity politics.
In a recent American Affairs article, for example, the University of Dallas political scientist Gladden Pappin chastised old-fashioned conservatives for fretting about government spending and opposing student loan forgiveness. Instead, he proposed that the GOP adopt "a positive governing agenda that would use the power of the state to bolster the national industrial economy and support the American family"—i.e., corporate and individual welfare.
Pappin is not the only one. A few years ago, you may recall, MAGA hero Tucker Carlson praised the "economic patriotism" of a plan from Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) on his show. More recently, Sens. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) and Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) outflanked the Biden administration by siding with a rail workers union that was demanding more generous benefits. When an observer suggested that the post-liberal journalist Sohrab Ahmari and his pals might accurately be called "pro-life New Dealers," Ahmari welcomed the label. Later, on Twitter, he came out emphatically "FOR the administrative state."
Conservatives of the "right-liberal" variety have long recognized the problems with this approach: the dangers of empowering unelected bureaucrats; the futility of trying to beat the left at the game of buying voters' favor through federal spending; and the reality that many of the country's intractable problems are the result of previous government interventions. When it comes to deindustrialization, "one major cause is America's regulatory structure, which is a function of progressivism," Continetti pointed out last fall. "One of the reasons the industries left America was they cannot compete, because of environmental regulations, labor force regulations, the tax burden. Companies ship jobs overseas because America makes it very hard for them to do business here."
Right-progressives see the left's mistakes and call for doubling down on the hubris that produced that wreckage. Let's hope conservatives decline the invitation.
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The distinction between right-liberal and left-liberal is of marginal importance. Any time you hear the word "liberal", it means your town is about to be gifted with 10,000 Somalis and your teachers will be assisting your children with transitioning, not necessarily with your knowledge or consent.
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Nonsense. That shit has nothing to do with liberalism. The purist libertarian position on immigration does favor more open immigration, but that's about allowing people to do things, not taking refugees and managing their lives.
The purist libertarian position on immigration does favor more open immigration
No. It doesn't.
The 'free movement' nonsense is a leftist idea.
There is no life form on the planet that has free movement. Not even humans.
Movement is dangerous. The owners of the territory you're moving into might not want you there. They might kill you.
Grass tries to kill invasive plants.
The purist libertariam point favors ownership and advocates making ownership universal --i.e., everyone understanding that ownership and private property right are of the highest importance.
Where this is conflated with illegal immigration is that, with total property rights, anyone can hire anyone from anywhere to work for them provided they can pay for the passage of that person through the properties of others.
Immigration becomes a personal issue. You personally reap the behefits, and you personally pay the costs.
The left desires to make EVERYONE pay the costs.
Right. Isn't what you describe the purist libertarian position? Immigration per se becomes irrelevant.
The purist libertarian on immigration is free and open immigration, unless you’re a Hoppean anarcho-feudalist.
Your “free association as long as you pay their way to a bunch of landlords” theory is dystopian. If land is universally, allodially privatized so that merciful permission to cross must be sought from every landowner along the way, that isn’t liberty. It’s bondage. Freedom of movement is libertarian.
Anytime we hear you, it means accepting testimony of people stoned on spoiled bread, a burning stake in every village, forfeiture of the property of the condemned, and a world of forced ignorance and darkness!
Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi!
Catholic pro-lifer Ms. Slade is so disappointed in what conservatism has become, she'll consider voting for the party whose #1 priority is legalizing abortion until birth.
Yeah, saving innocent souls is kind of important. But know what's even more important? Opening the borders so your sugar daddy Charles Koch can get cheap Mexican labor. 🙂
#ImmigrationAboveAll
Sandra (formerly OBL) favors outlawing abortion and mandating womb-slavery so that Sandra (formerly OBL) can get lots and lots of cheap labor from unwanted and abused Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells, brought to term!
Please note that molar pregnancies don't yield much fruitful labor!
Oklahoma now vying with Idaho for most fanatical!
https://news.yahoo.com/woman-cancerous-pregnancy-told-wait-215500885.html
Woman with Cancerous Pregnancy Was Told to Wait in Parking Lot Until She Was 'Crashing'
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/molar-pregnancy/symptoms-causes/syc-20375175
From there, we see that MOLAR PREGNANCIES ARE NEVER VIABLE!!! Yet fascist assholes like YOU want to endanger women in the Sacred Name of Unique Human DNA, which is present in a womb-slave!
From the listed source…
There are two types of molar pregnancy — complete molar pregnancy and partial molar pregnancy. In a complete molar pregnancy, the placental tissue swells and appears to form fluid-filled cysts. There is no fetus.
In a partial molar pregnancy, the placenta might have both regular and irregular tissue. There may be a fetus, but the fetus can’t survive. The fetus usually is miscarried early in the pregnancy.
"Sandra (formerly OBL) favors outlawing abortion"
Nope. I don't support a total ban. And I've never claimed to be Catholic.
I'm still in a position to point out the warped priorities of a self-described Catholic pro-lifer whose commitment to the cheap labor agenda outweighs her commitment to the "sanctity of human life."
"Nope. I don’t support a total ban. And I’ve never claimed to be Catholic.
In Sqrlsy’s defence, he’s very fucking stupid.
For example:
"There are two types of molar pregnancy — complete molar pregnancy and partial molar pregnancy."
Neither of which are treated with abortion and neither of which are threatened by any legislation anywhere, but as I said, he’s very fucking stupid.
Distorting cunt! Molar pregnancies are PROTECTED (from abortions) by grandstanding, stupid, self-righteous, EVIL lawmakers, while women are endangered! Did you READ my link, lying Perfect Bitch?
https://news.yahoo.com/woman-cancerous-pregnancy-told-wait-215500885.html
Woman with Cancerous Pregnancy Was Told to Wait in Parking Lot Until She Was ‘Crashing’
You keep on telling the SAME OLD LIES over and over and over again! The below is YOU, Perfectly Evil Bitch!
In the right-wing mind, the difference goes like this:
***IF*** you are a friend of “Team R”, then if your pregnancy comes to an end for ANY reason, without a live birth, then it is called a “miscarriage”, and… “Your sins are forgiven, my child!”
***IF*** you are NOT a friend of “Team R”, then if your pregnancy comes to an end for ANY reason, without a live birth, then it is called an “abortion”, and… “YOU AND your doctor MUST be severely PUNISHED, ye Evil Slut!”
https://www.ekathimerini.com/opinion/1156932/for-my-friends-everything-for-my-enemies-the-law/
‘For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law’
The song of dictators and authoritarians EVERYWHERE!!!
"***IF*** you are a friend of “Team R”, then if your pregnancy comes to an end for ANY reason, without a live birth, then it is called a “miscarriage”, and… “Your sins are forgiven, my child!”
***IF*** you are NOT a friend of “Team R”, then if your pregnancy comes to an end for ANY reason, without a live birth, then it is called an “abortion”, and… “YOU AND your doctor MUST be severely PUNISHED, ye Evil Slut!” "
Hey STOOOPID Short Attention Span Avenger!!!! If it has more than 3 or 5 words, can ye COMPREHEND it?!??! Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!!!!
We all know Reason staff will almost exclusively vote for Biden if he makes it to the general election.
Those fuckers would vote for Harris, likely the least libertarian left of the aisle, if she was the nominee.
They are all team D, all the way. I'm sure of it.
Unless Michelle Obama decides to throw her Extra Extra Extra Extra Large panties into the ring at the last minute.
I think she truly doesn't want to, but you never know for sure with these people. And if she does, Sleepy Joe's support will drop down to practically zero overnight.
old-school Reaganite conservatives
Reagan made government bigger, not smaller.
No, only when you count the number of men serving in the armed forces. Youngster idiots who weren’t there make for horrible Reagan historians
can you share a source to back that up?
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And how many little political angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Thank you for this morning’s exercise in sophistry. Seems to come down to this: no matter your label, you either leave others alone to the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness, or you don’t.
This feels like a lot of word games to avoid discussing anything substantial. I've never heard someone talk of "right-liberals" except as a disparaging term for RINOs who side with democrats (Lindsay Graham as an example.)
In US political context "liberal" is what conservatives refer to as the left (be they progressives, socialists, globalists, or statists.) If you're using "liberal" to mean someone with strong freedom sentiments then the right version of that typically identifies as libertarian and the left version tends to consider themselves disaffected or homeless liberals. Both of those groups tend to side with the right.
Nice naval gazing again, Slade. If you want to talk about the right then try getting some direct understanding from conservatives rather than cherry picking no-names that are fed to you by the left
It’s Reason with their typical, abjectly retarded, to the point of punching themselves in the gonads, fuckstickery. The “liberal” pejorative is the abbreviation of “bleeding heart liberals” who took over the party/ideology from the so named Classical Liberals beginning in The Depression, continuing in the Civil Rights Era and arguably continuing to advance. Classical Liberalism is about helping those who help themselves. Bleeding Heart liberalism is about, rather literally hemorrhaging money to no end beyond redeeming souls in the afterlife.
Remember: Cruz said “everyone understands that the values in New York City are socially liberal or pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage, focus around money and the media.” and “They are the values of the liberal Democratic politicians like Andrew Cuomo, like Anthony Weiner, like Elliot Spitzer, like Charlie Rangel—all of whom Donald Trump has supported. If you want to know what liberal democratic values are, follow Donald Trump’s checkbook.”
And Reason went with Ted Cruz Comes Out Against Liberal Democrat*ic* Values as if know one knows who Ted Cruz was, that he opposed Democrats, or can plainly see THAT REASON IS FUCKING LYING IN DEFENSE OF DONALD TRUMP’S (WORST) VALUES.
I’m going to reject the notion that Left Liberalism = Progressivism. Progressives do not hold any affinity for Freedom of Speech or Religion or Association like Left Liberals do
Not anymore
I’ve never heard someone talk of “right-liberals”
What about neo-con liberals?
Those are just lefties who love war.
More recently, Sens. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) and Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) outflanked the Biden administration by siding with a rail workers union that was demanding more generous benefits.
So, I take it Reason's vision of a "free market" is that the government imposes a labor settlement and the workers have to accept it at peril of firing or imprisonment. But, only for politically connected businesses. Otherwise the workers have a right to strike. With government support. I think there's a word for that. Something about a bundle of sticks....
That's the thing about progressivism and "liberal conservatism". In practice, they're proving even more authoritarian than the alternatives. Extending state privilege to favored economic actors isn't free enterprise. But, Beltway libertarians seem to treat it as if it were. Y'all favor an ample amount of state intervention to protect the interests of your cronies and associates, but insist everyone else be faced with unlimited competitive pressure.
Honestly, I really can't blame the NatCons or post-liberal conservatives for concluding your claims of support for liberty are little more than a grift.
Way to BURN those strawmen!
(If you don't favor MY Tribe being supported by Government Almighty, you MUST favor YOUR Tribe being supported by Government Almighty!!! Government Almighty BUTTING THE FUCK OUT of ANY dispute is NOT a conceivable option, in the minds of authoritarians and totalitarians! ... What should the stance of Government Almighty be in the ongoing disputes about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, by the way? And whether or not my wife is doing her fair share of the dish-washing around here?)
I'm responding to a direct quote, you gibbering halfwit.
Why should Government Almighty take ANY side in non-violent union or worker dispute?
Because the government was taking a side. It was dictating the terms of a settlement that the workers had to accept. That's precisely what the workers, and both Hawley and Rubio, were arguing was unjust.
But, if you really mean what you're saying here and aren't just a useless hack, I'm sure you'll have the integrity to say that Hawley and Rubio were right and Slade was wrong.
"So, I take it Reason’s vision of a “free market” is that the government imposes a labor settlement and the workers have to accept it at peril of firing or imprisonment. But, only for politically connected businesses."
That's what you wrote! When and where did a Reason writer state that it is a proper role for Government Almighty to pick sides here, in non-violent labor disputes? ... YOU on the other hand, IMMEDIATELY pick the side of YOUR tribe! Not-my-tribe did something allegedly bad, in your mind (and I do agree that Demon-Crap meddling here in such matters is bad), so YOUR tribe MUST do the same, on the opposite side! Has it EVER occurred to your hyper-tribalistic mind, that Government Almighty could try BUTTING OUT? Josh Hawley etc., too, DO have the option to "fight back" by advocating SHRINKING GOVERNMENT ALMIGHTY!!! INSTEAD OF PICKING A SIDE at all! Two wrongs don't make a right! HELLO?!?!?!?
That’s what you wrote!
Because that's what happened! The union, were objecting to that being the case. The fact that Slade is citing that as some sort of deviation from free enterprise is precisely what makes Reason's (and your) understanding of free markets...idiosyncratic. Saying the government should not intervene an impose a settlement is precisely what the railway workers wanted and what Hawley and Rubio supported. Non-intervention was taking the side of the union.
"Non-intervention was taking the side of the union."
Night is day, good is evil, war is peace, illness is health, death is life, and taking a side is staying out of it! DO NOT DISTURB the hyper-tribal, hyper-hypocritical minds at work!
Simple question. Did the union object to the state imposing a contract on them or not?
You won't address the issue because you're a complete and total hack.
"Did the union object to the state imposing a contract on them or not?"
Why is this in ANY way relevant to keeping Government Almighty SMALL, and personal freedoms LARGE?!
"Did Bill Dalasio object to the state imposing blessings upon SQRLSY One's theft of Bill Dalasio's Dignity and Self-Esteem, or not?"
That pile of shit is best described as a spastic asshole.
All the little babies cry for attention and favors from Big MomDad Government Almighty, as they fight over the toys, and over who pulled who's hair first! That we should strive, instead, to be adults, solve our disputes peacefully, and NOT look to Big MomDad Government Almighty to solve all of our problems? THIS idea seems to be entirely too foreign to WAAAAAY too many so-called "adults"!
Why is this in ANY way relevant to keeping Government Almighty SMALL, and personal freedoms LARGE?!
At this point you're literally asking what does the government imposing terms on private transactions have to do with the power of the government being limited. Do you have any inkling how utterly stupid and insane that sounds?
"Sens. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) and Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) outflanked the Biden administration by siding with a rail workers union that was demanding more generous benefits."
Did Rubio and Hawley do this as private (ideally anonymous, if you are SINCERELY a not-power-mad but well-known political big-wig) citizens, with letters to the editor, or did they do this with the Heavy Hand of Government Almighty? Or is this kind of thing only an offense when the WRONG political tribal Chieftains do it?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/overnight-republicans-flirt-economic-populism-rail-labor-conflict
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3758436-senate-rejects-proposal-to-give-rail-workers-seven-days-of-paid-sick-leave/
A casual search shows USA Government Almighty thick as thieves in micro-managing the snot out of exactly what unionized workers do and do not get! And “Team R” is as thick and thick-headed as any of the other micro-managing, power-thieving political Nosenheimers and Buttinskies!
"Do you have any inkling how utterly stupid and insane that sounds?"
The Squirrel doesn't, because it's fucking retarded.
Cunt-Serva-Turds… The BEST insult-generators in pre-kindergarten!
I grant, I love the idea that the fact that I can insult the shit-garglingly pant-on-head retardation of The Squirrel and it can't respond back to me as anything other than a bare grey box might cause it to have an aneurysm and stroke out.
*splish!*
I am impressed!
Grade school brats, too, can say, "Nanny-nanny-boo-boo, I can't hear you!"
"...halfwit."
Entirely too kind.
They may have "outflanked the Biden administration by siding with a rail workers union that was demanding more generous benefits", but that doesn't make them illiberal. Once government is setting the terms anyway, you can't complain on grounds of individual liberty if they favor one side or the other.
As I say above, their agreement with the rail workers was saying the government shouldn't be setting the terms.
Humpty Dumpty was right.
By right, I mean correct.
Most excellent article STEPHANIE SLADE!!! Way to go!
You did miss one thing in the list... "Conservative Marxists" (you can find butt-loads of these butt-holes right here in these comments) lust after tearing down Section 230, so that they can TAKE OVER PRIVATELY OWNED WEB SITES, to enable their Government-Almighty-backed pussy-grabbing of the not-my-tribe "libs"!
This whole Right-Prog, Christian Nationalist, Natcon narrative is going to wear awfully fucking thin if you guys are going to try to cover yourselves with it all the way to Nov. 2024.
"Christo-Fascism"
Brian Doherty
Reason Magazine
Christo-Fascism is exactly what the National Socialist Platform penned by Hitler in 1920 boils down to. In it Jesus is taken to be real, and individual rights, imaginary.
No, it’s not you senile fuck.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Bet you can't define even roughly what 'this whole...narrative" is.
What the hell are they gonna do instead, talk about what an amazing bang-up job their boy Sleepy Joe is doing? The Dow is lower than it was on the day this senile old dickhead took office almost two and a half years ago; he's an absolute complete and total disaster in every way imaginable. Even Obama knew for crying out loud!
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."
-Barack Obama
What the hell are they gonna do instead, talk about what an amazing bang-up job their boy Sleepy Joe is doing?
The funniest thing is that this isn’t the only option but they abjectly buttfucked themselves/each other into a corner.
They *could* talk about Massie or Paul, actual politicians who espouse actual libertarian values in actual political spheres, but they’re mean icky Republicans who do things like ask Ilya Somin exactly what Cato means on Twitter. They *could* talk about other parts of the LP but, again, they thoroughly immolated that bridge. No other life skills or career options left at this point beyond sucking Koch.
RIght Progressivism...I just want you to agree that a Dog-Cat is not a Dog and not a Cat.
Woodrow Wilson was our only PhD President and he is probably the 3rd worst President of our history. If you can't at least agree with Coolidge that progress must be from some inalienable point then Right Progrssivism is just Left-anti-Constitutionalism
". If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress."
Words have no meaning on here. Right Progressivism is like World's Tallest Midget
That's a good quote.
That quote is exactly right (correct). If you look at the cultural/political trends and see where they converge it is not with socialism, but with feudalism, a system consisting of a small elite (royalty) crushing and ruling a large group of commoners (serfs).
“You will own nothing…” and “you will eat bugs”.
Both are separate quotes from Klaus Schwab, put together to establish his vision of the future.
"You will own nothing, and you will be happy"
You will own nothing, and you will be happy” was coined by Danish MP Ida Auken in 2016 and included in a 2016 essay published by the purveyors of the so-called “Great Reset” at the World Economic Forum (WEF) headquartered in Davos, Switzerland.
Subject to a conceptual misnomer that is nothing but a vacuous abstraction, we will have become “stakeholders”—the WEF’s Klaus Schwab’s favorite word—with no real stake to hold apart from a crutch. In fact, what Schwab’s “stakeholder capitalism” really means, as Andrew Stuttaford explains at Capital Matters, is “transferring the power that capitalism should confer from its owners and into the hands of those who administer it.”
As Schwab writes in his co-authored Covid-19: The Great Reset, people will have to accept “limited consumption,” “responsible eating,” and, on the whole, sacrificing “what we do not need”—this latter to be determined by our betters.
The evidence is everywhere […] climate alarmism presaging the end of mankind—an extinction which is continually deferred; the systematic suppression of civil rights and Constitutional guarantees; supply-chain disruptions; currency deflation and its result, rampant inflation; ballooning taxes of every shape and form: gas taxes, equity taxes, capital gains taxes, carbon taxes; and the growing campaign against energy and food, the essentials of life and prosperity, leading to the culling of the world’s population—we have the Malthusian word of Bill Gates on that.
Taken together, this is the Reset idea in a nutshell, a dystopian blueprint whose effect will be devastating…
[edit, left off the reference Yuval Noah Harari, author of the bestselling Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind, represents an interesting case in the ongoing debate over the nature of the Great Reset.]
Wow. Another article of lies attacking the right as marxist leftists trample rights and commit violence daily with narry a peep. Such a good proggy footsoldier you are Stephanie.
Always greater hate for the apostate and the heretic than the infidel.
that would be a rational thing - the infidel could conceivably come to agreement but the apostate has rejected 'the truth'
“America is an idea,” scoffed Newsweek Opinion Editor Josh Hammer in a recent tweet. He attributed that sentiment to “every right-liberal and left-liberal platitude-regurgitator ever.”
Fucking LOL.
A fucking [glances at job title] Opinion Editor from fucking [glances at employer] Newsweek: “Left-liberals and right-liberals spout meaningless platitudes (so that they can suck the dick of cultural and statist oppressors).”
Stephanie Slade: You take that back! Left-liberals do not spout meaningless platitudes!
You sure it's disparaging? In Slightly To The Right in 1965 H.L. Richardson used the term "Jeffersonian, or liberal conservative" approvingly. "Neoliberal", now that's disparaging, but it's used only by the "left".
It's disparaging in the current lingo, because it doesn't mean "Jeffersonian".
Stephanie Slade is an interesting duck. From Washington DC she has almost exclusively written about the boogeymen arising on the right in Flyover Country. She tells us of these boogeymen above- an opinion writer with a tweet, and a political scientist in Dallas. This is Reason’s Pro Life Libertarian, who nonetheless felt it best to vote for Biden.
These posts from Slade, frankly, come off as highbrowed concern trolling. “Guys, I know we all believe killing the unborn is wrong, and the progressive agenda is out of control, but can we talk about what this guy tweeted? Whatever happened to my Reagan Conservatives?” How many more posts do we need that amount to nothing more than a restatement of the college-grad revelation that “extreme right and extreme left are basically the same”?
Slade’s schtick was cute once, but it is now becoming tired. Most of her recent articles have been some retread of a critical analysis of the “troubling authoritarian turn of conservatives”. Rarely does she actually take one issue head-on. It is all picking and choosing obscure quotes from some random dog catcher in Indiana, to explain that Conservatism has turned from its previous glory- a glory never acknowledged here at Reason for many years.
There is no evidence Slade- whose career started in 2016- ever had anything decent to say about Reagan conservatives before the rise of Trump. Certainly, this feigned shock from Reason that Conservatism has changed rings as hollow. “Why can’t you be more like those guys we spent 40 years deriding and bitching and moaning about?”
For the record: The “Activist Conservative” wing has been around since at least George HW Bush. It is simply nonsense to suggest that you haven’t been able to find members of both political parties who believe some specific issue needs the firm hand of government to mold us like so much clay. And since those days, Reason has been casting the same shade at those nutty fundies on the conservative side of the aisle and their sky god.
These articles are unhelpful, boring and nothing new. They are as tired a trope as the “Republicans Trounce” article. It’s time to start arguing for issues, rather than constantly trying to antagonize and “other” people holding issues Reason disagrees with.
Seriously: You would think that Abortion would be something Ms Slade is interested in writing about. She has clearly identified a fracture in the libertarian foundation that needs to be explored and patched up. But instead of writing THOSE articles, our resident Catholic wants to spend all her time drawing caricatures of the "New Right".
How exactly does Reason's editorial team think the 5th article about icky proggy conservatives will advance the libertarian cause? How many more articles AGAINST the right do we have to suffer before Slade will sit down and explain what she is FOR?
“explain that Conservatism has turned from its previous glory- a glory never acknowledged here at Reason for many years.”
The closest of this occurring that I can think of is when they are sad that republicans don’t roll over to the democrats as much as they used to (but they still do).
Amen
This is Reason’s Pro Life Libertarian, who nonetheless felt it best to vote for Biden.
It feels very much like Shikha Dalmia's stupid fascination with (lying and) calling herself "conservative" because she came from a conservative nation/upbringing, I guess. Except Slade's masking is worse because it's just a shitty patching of the one Shikha wore out.
There's clearly a sense of flailing here. We're dancing between "right progressivism", "Populism" and "National Conservatism", and the flail all seems to happen within a 24 hour period.
Don't forget the "Christian Nationalists".
To be sure.
The Rise of Right-Progressivism
aka "MAGA-Communism".
aka Big Government Trumpism.
aka Fatass "Deficits Don't Matter" Donnie-ism.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
And the child molester ambles on, doing his master Soros’s biddimg.
Just days after The Left-Right Spectrum Is Mostly Meaningless.
And not long after Slade was accusing Vance of promoting what he was warning about.
Correction: Progressives are not any kind of liberal, they are illiberal.
South of Brownsville, all the way to Magallanes, liberales are Adam Smith advocates of heavily-mixed economics opposed to chattel slavery. Likewise, conservadores are the slavers that wrote the antebellum Democratic platform: "this whole country can repose in its determined conservatism of the Union—NON-INTERFERENCE BY CONGRESS WITH SLAVERY IN STATE AND TERRITORY... Today's conservatives seek to enslave the female half of humanity, and to ban voluntary exchange worldwide.
You sound demented. So you know that the female half of humanity (BILLIONS) does not include any conservatives. Who would talk to such a person? Ever hear of Erika Bachiochi, or Feminists for Life, or read Wollstonecraft’s Vindication of the Rights of Women
All the early feminists were VIOLENTLY anti-abortionhttps://www.feministsforlife.org/the-feminist-case-against-abortion/
It doesn't just *sound* demented. It actually has dementia. Worst bot ever.
This is an illustration of how LeftAndRight monofilament monotheism, is meaningless. Yet it justifies Reason hiring a Bund Deutscher Mädchen of Hitler's faith to preach that artificial persons, not individual women, have rights. After all, the 15th Amendment gave Long Dong the vote that it, the 13th and 14th Amendments withheld from women. So, are God's Own Prohibitionists grateful to Reason magazine for hosting their Trojan Mare?
I won't say anything except that you should learn how to write for an adult audience.
And you talk of individual women and then say there are multiple genders. Yikes, get a mirror and read your post to yourself. YIKES
He’s a kook who’s gone senile. Someone had to take over for Michael Hihn after he died. And Hank is it.
Quit responding to it. (The jibberish parody response is always welcome)
I've just decided to mute it. Not because it's offensive or disagreeable or anything like that, but it's just a waste of time. My brain attempts to parse the gibberish, wasting precious time before realizing that it does not parse because the translator bot doesn't work.
Well, I'm going to say that this was much better than the last article by Slade on the subject. There does seem to be a growing rejection of liberalism by segments of the American right. Now maybe there is a good defense of such a position. But it is exactly the kind of issue a libertarian publication should be examining. Now let's have another article that really gets into it rather than shallow comments about prominent figures of the right.
Zeb, to 'get into it' you have drop your addiction to abstract non-words. Liberalism, American right, libertarian, the right.
If you want to talk to REAL PEOPLE drop the label thing.
Sure, to get into it you need to make clear what you mean by labels like those. But I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about. Are you a real person?
Note to foreign readers: Republican sockpuppets have an enormous stake in ignoring Lysander Spooner. Their moral code redefines liberalism as the tactics of God's Party's opponents in baffling the open and honorable efforts of Hitler's brainwashees to do the right thing.
When you have nothing to say you prove it by incomprehensible posts that make you look like what you are attacking.
Hahahahahaha
Imagine being so fucking stupid you cal ZEB a Republican.
God damn Hankie.
Now maybe there is a good defense of such a position.
I think the rightist critique is that liberalism, if not in theory, at least in practice, inevitably becomes both a stalking horse and a Trojan horse for leftist illiberalism. And, honestly, I can't say in good faith that they don't have at least a kernel of truth in that. And you're right, it's perfectly reasonable for a libertarian journal to address the issue. The problem is that all Reason, and the larger establishment libertarian community, seems to want to respond with is claims of inconsistency and hypocrisy. They never really do much to address the actual claim. And when they do it's much more dismissal than a substantive response.
I've said before that I agree with their overall diagnosis, albeit with a pretty huge caveat. I agree that they don't pay enough attention to the distinction between liberalism and progressivism. But, even Slade here sees little need to address it beyond as a cudgel to attack conservatives.
I think the rightist critique is that liberalism, if not in theory, at least in practice, inevitably becomes both a stalking horse and a Trojan horse for leftist illiberalism.
Well, that depends on what precisely you mean by "leftist illiberalism". If you mean authoritarian controls on people, then no, that does not directly follow from liberalism. That is authoritarians USING liberty-sounding words to justify and rationalize their authoritarian behavior.
But, if by "leftist illiberalism" you mean the adoption of cultural values that differ from traditional right-wing morality, then yes you're right, liberalism does lead to that, because when there is more liberty, there is more freedom to explore different value systems that don't violate the NAP.
Take conservatives' favorite example, drag queens reading books to kids. Liberalism enables it because it doesn't place arbitrary rules on people for doing things that don't violate the NAP, such as men dressing up as women in public, or parents choosing to associate their kids with men dressing up as women in public. But conservatives see it as a sign of moral decay and degeneracy that should be stopped.
You are aware, I assume, that "Drag Queen Story Hour" became a thing because it was financed by the government. The state propagandizing the youth using money stolen from those opposed to that propaganda is authoritarian.
Are the drag queens reading "Green Eggs and Ham" or "The Little Engine That Could"? Or, are they reading "Timmy the Transexual Toad?" Are they drag queens dressed like Mrs Doubtfire or are they bedecked with tiny dildos and leather thongs?
*Maybe* there is a defense of it? I could do with probably a year's worth of reflection from the magazine of how liberalism went from just 90s-era PC-speech police to "Silence is violence" *and* "Words are violence.", no-shit completely fabricated impeachment of a duly-elected President, unprecedented media collusion in support of it, and lockdowns to prevent the product of US-funded GOF research from killing Americans.
Until that's clarified, I don't see that the American right is any way incorrect to throw up a crucifix and run in the opposite direction. Scott may've caught his reflection a couple times in the mirror when he wrote about the gay rights movement going to far with cake baking, but he was still pretty translucent about the goodness of Obergefell compelling states to recognize other's marriages. But "Don't Say Gay" put an end to that.
"The Ted Cruz Comes Out Against Liberal Democratic Values" article pretty clearly demonstrates that it's not the right who was listing in a crazy direction and effectively used Trump as a wedge to go completely off the rails.
Sorry, I"m one of these weirdos that uses the word "liberal" in the old fashioned or maybe European sense. Nothing liberal about PC. By "liberalism" I basically mean the presumption that people should be free of government imposed constraints on their actions unless there is a compelling reason for such constraints.
Sorry, I”m one of these weirdos that uses the word “liberal” in the old fashioned or maybe European sense.
Yeah, Classical Liberalism is older than any of us. The Bleeding Heart Liberalism that fractionally/mostly supplanted it is too. Progressive-Liberalism which fractionally/mostly supplanted that is older than most.
No problems and even kudos to people trying to take it back, but doing so quietly and by acting like conservatives, who may also be largely/entirely Classical Liberals, don't know what they're talking about when they say the term 'liberal', even when the Classical variety is in the vast minority, is not going to win any hearts and minds. Even if done in good faith.
Agreed that there's discussion to be had with regard to Classical Liberalism, National Conservatism, and Progressive Globalism, but this magazine seemingly ignores, if not despises, the latter two.
No to mention getting to "it's okay to punch someone you think is a nazi" coupled with "everyone to the right of me is a nazi".
>>scoffed Newsweek Opinion Editor Josh Hammer
easier to just slide into DMs?
The Rise of Right-Progressivism The post-liberal conservatives who disparage “right-liberalism” are unapologetic proponents of actual left-wing policies.
Q: How do you get Reason to criticize the left?
A: When a Republican does it.
Right-Progressivism? Would their mascot be Flo dressed as a Women's Christian Temperance biddy with a tricked-out Bible and saloon hatchet? 🙂
Science...with Flo
https://youtu.be/dT9de16AqWY
This article illustrates the tendency of all political writers to "collapse distinctions" but in a very different way: progressives and conservatives may espouse very similar goals while at the same time espousing very similar "policies" aimed at very different "problems" and, in the real world, achieving very different goals. When you try to point out the discrepancies engendered by this, they tend to move on to the next topic, ignoring all such critiques or blaming "the other side" for the defects.
Perhaps I should have said that they espouse very similar "ideals" (e.g. freedom, democracy, fairness, progress, prosperity, etc.) and that, although they espouse similar tactics (i.e. use of government power to achieve fine-sounding goals) and so on ...
Reason now conflates any new government policy prohibiting government actors from further infringing on our freedoms as “more government” (see: every Desantis write up)
What’s wrong Slade? Is your trust invested in futures on Climate mandated corporations? Or is your wealth management throwing capital into private equity surgery centers and pharmaceuticals that will sterilize six or seven year olds?
Either way- you’ve been played. taking risks means losing it all sometimes, The tide goes in the tide goes out. Fast food has some job opportunities for you- get to work.
The people that this article attacks are far more libertarian than Reason is. Far more.
why does the Donkeyphant have zebra stripes?
Because it's a donkeyrhinocerus, not a donkeyphant.
Donkocerus?
Elephino.
Good one! Zing!
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/overnight-republicans-flirt-economic-populism-rail-labor-conflict
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3758436-senate-rejects-proposal-to-give-rail-workers-seven-days-of-paid-sick-leave/
A casual search shows USA Government Almighty thick as thieves in micro-managing the snot out of exactly what unionized workers do and do not get! And “Team R” is as thick and thick-headed as any of the other micro-managing, power-thieving political Nosenheimers and Buttinskies!
(Ooops, comment mis-placed)
And it's just as irrelevant here as it was there. You're still ignoring the fact that the government had intervened when Hawley and Rubio opposed it. As I said above, you've backed yourself into this bizarro-world position that opposing a government-ordered settlement is government intervention.
From my first link:
"Republican Sens. Marco Rubio (R-FL) , Ted Cruz (R-TX) , Lindsey Graham (R-SC) , John Kennedy (R-LA) , Mike Braun (R-WI) , and Josh Hawley (R-MO) voted for the paid leave, bucking the prevailing Republican view that it's not Congress's place to rewrite a contract already negotiated by the White House."
"...voted for the paid leave..."
How in Blue Blazes is that NOT Government Almighty micro-managing the snot out of the PRIVATE affairs of PRIVATE employers and employees? If you were HONEST (you should familiarize yourself with that concept!), you would admit that YOUR concept is "My Team, right or wrong, is ALWAYS right, even when they do the exact same things that the WRONG team does!"
Two wrongs do not, and have not EVER, made a right! Why didn't yer Momma raise you right instead or right-wing, Oh Great Right-wing Wrong-nut?
It’s because he’s incredibly stupid and partisan.
And you're not?
Great article. The problem with using "right" and "left" is that all issues cannot be lumped into either. When we try, it becomes very confusing. Political parties can and do lump issues into 2 sides. Just because a political party calls a list of items "right" or a list of items "progressive" does not mean much. They are just trying to build a coalition to win the most votes. Reagan was not religious. He took the strategic political advice of Lee Atwater to put religious issues as part of his policy in order to win. When talking about issues disregarding political parties I think it's best to separate out social and economic issues which are not mutually exclusive. For example, one can be very religious and be for socialism. One can be an atheist and be for small government.
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“Old-fashioned American conservatives favor deregulation, legal protection of private property, free trade, decentralization of power, and reliance on a thick stratum of community institutions (“little platoons”) rather than government to solve social problems. Left-liberals—a.k.a. progressives—favor nationalization, bureaucratization, standardization, regulation, taxation, and redistribution. On the American right, their position has long been viewed as a rejection of core conservative commitments.”
Where can I find this American right of which you speak – outside of certain comment sections, that is?
The postliberal critique hits at many deserving targets, including the similarities between what they rightly denominate left-liberalism and right-liberalism. The left-liberals have fully embraced the insane logic of their position, while the right-liberals haven’t *quite* gotten to that point yet.
If I were to criticize the postliberals, it would be for this tendency to see libertarians under every bed. Postliberal intellectuals look at position papers from Cato and other works by libertarian intellectuals (including at one time Reason) and see these eloquent defenses of free markets. But in the real world, Cato and the other libertarian intellectuals haven’t persuaded the actual rulers to do much in the way of libertarianism.
In other words, I suppose, the postliberals are intellectually well-equipped to bash libertarians, but they keep seeing libertarians where all I see are Republicans and globalist types.
In reality, the postliberal ideas for activist government don’t make them less libertarian than the ruling classes, simply more responsive to actual problems. The debates now are between liberals of the right-and left-wing variety, on the one hand, with their idiotic governmental policies siding against the people, versus the postliberal activism which actually tries to be *for* the people.
The night-watchman-state activists are simply nowhere near the centers of power even if they can serve as rhetorical dressing on a statist salad for the ruling classes.
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"More recently, Sens. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) and Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) outflanked the Biden administration by siding with a rail workers union that was demanding more generous benefits."
Right? Who could imagine siding with people that the feds had decided to tell to shut up and get back to work, even though they have no authority to do so?
Yeah, actually that IS journalism, today. You don't use quotes to show what somebody said. You use them to sprinkle words that they'd used into your own paraphrase, to give it the flavor of being what they'd said, without the substance.
In modern journalism, if you use enough words in a quote for the reader to determine what the original author meant, you're doing it wrong.
But, perlmonger, the government deciding the terms of labor contracts is the essence of free enterprise. It's virtually cosmopolitan, dontchaknow!
"Just curious why you didn’t just show the actual Tweet Stephanie?"
R Mac you crippled-brained, crippled-conscience nit-picker!
“FROM THE JUNE 2023 ISSUE”
From a HARDCOPY mag where space is tight and precious! Stephanie did NOT have endless FREE space to show large tweet-pages and endless source-quotes!!! And you are reading this stuff here for FREE, yet you expect her to jump through endless hoops to meet YOUR needs? Greedy thoughtless bastard, ye are! And as if your hyper-tribalistic, fossilized mind would EVER change, if more source-notes WERE given! Smugly self-righteous asshole!
Says R Mac, Who Talks and Snorts Smack! The same one who constantly says that I said that I love to eat shit, but can NOT post a link to document that! Can you say, "hypocrite"?
If I write a 900,000-word book, and someone SUMMARIZES it in a MUCH shorter book review, and says that I wrote "this-and-such", is this some sort of horrible transgression?
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Yeah. It's madness. It doesn't help Slade's case that my reaction is "Yeah, I sided with them too. The rail union should have told Congress to drive the trains themselves."
Don’t you know? Reason writers are one big, horrible transgression.
Doesn’t stop R Mac and others from free riding on Reason’s website.
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Mike Laursen, white knight/comments police.
Hey Mike, maybe if you weren't so frightened of argumentation and didn't have 98% of the commentariat on mute, you'd realize Sqrlsy was being a retard.
If they REALLY had balls, they would do what most of the staff would like them to do, which is get rid of the comments entirely like The Atlantic did.
They won't do it because they know damn well that if they did their clicks would drop to almost nothing. Nobody is going to waste their coming here to read their bulkshit if we can't dunk on them and call them out on it.
Cunt-Serva-Turds... The BEST insult-generators in pre-kindergarten!
Tweets take up SIGNIFICANT space in a hard-copy magazine, Oh Ignorant Wonder-Child! If ye do NOT like Stephanie's writings... Or those of other Reason writers... Ask for yer money back, whining crybaby!
So a shortened version (like a book review of "War and Peace") is just some sort of HORRIBLE almost-crime, then, MORON?!?!
Ever hear of "TL;DR", Moron?
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"You wouldn’t be using different standards for different people, now would you?"
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He honestly has no clue about anything he babbles about.
He claims anti-abortion laws threaten procedures that aren't and don't involve abortions, fought like a bitch for s230 but didn't even know what it was about, had no clue about mRNA injection mechanisms and thought inflammation was a good thing, etc.
Even if he wasn't insane he'd still be an evil idiot.
https://www.ekathimerini.com/opinion/1156932/for-my-friends-everything-for-my-enemies-the-law/
‘For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law’
Also "Just TRUST in us!"
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When the "quote: says the OPPOSITE of what the original author said, it IS horrible. YOUR attitude here makes morons look like members of Mensa.
Your examples and citations are AWESOME! Because I said so! And because “Because I said so!” is THE most awesome libertarian, NON-authoritarian attitude EVER!!!!
The fact that he has almost everyone but sqrsly on mute is all you need to know about the guy.