Beware the 'Christian Prince'
The Case for Christian Nationalism advocates for an ethnically uniform nation ruled by a "Christian prince."

The Case for Christian Nationalism, by Stephen Wolfe, Canon Press, 488 pages, $24.99
Since the 2016 election, the term Christian nationalism has been used, narrowly, to describe conservative Christian support for Donald Trump and, broadly, to describe any right-wing vision of Christian politics that left-wing observers deplore. This is ironic given the phrase's history: It began between the world wars with liberal Protestants anxious about the rise of totalitarianism, and it was revived in the 1970s to describe religious anti-colonialism.
We should more properly refer to Christian nationalisms. American history is filled with diverse conceptions of nationhood among religious peoples. Respectable Christian nationalism is often referred to as "civil religion," as when politicians declare America a shining "city on a hill." But Christian nationalisms are always contested. The most popular postcard of 1865 pictured the ascent into heaven of the martyred Abraham Lincoln nestled in the bosom of George Washington. Yet until 2019, travelers on Interstate 95 in Virginia could detour to visit the "shrine" of Stonewall Jackson, a slain saint of an opposing, Confederate Christian nationalism.
The Christian nationalist variant getting the most public attention today has a Pentecostal inflection. Journalists cannot resist the spectacle, whether it is self-proclaimed prophet Lance Wallnau peddling $45 "prayer coins" featuring Trump's face superimposed over that of the Persian King Cyrus, pastor Rafael Cruz promoting Trump as a champion of the "Seven Mountain Mandate," or televangelist Paula White-Cain praying for "angelic reinforcement" to boost Trump's reelection.
But another variant has made waves recently with the publication of Stephen Wolfe's The Case for Christian Nationalism. Wolfe, an evangelical Presbyterian, argues that modern Christians have forgotten the political wisdom of early Protestant reformers and have been lulled into a dangerous secularism. He advocates an ethnically uniform nation ruled by a "Christian prince" with the power to punish blasphemy and false religion.
Wolfe veers chapter by chapter between close readings of often obscure Reformation theologians and mostly unsourced screeds against the dangers of feminist "gynocracy" and immigrant invasion. The book is obtusely argued, poorly written, and worth a read only in the same sense that rubbernecking at a car crash counts as sightseeing. But the ways that Wolfe is wrong are instructive.
For Wolfe, the nationalism part of Christian nationalism is synonymous with ethnicity, which he defines as any self-conscious group of people possessing "the right to be for itself." Wolfe does not grapple with the vast literature on how ethnicity is socially constructed, preferring instead what he calls a "phenomenological" explanation based on his personal experience and reasoning.
Wolfe's view of national ethnicity results from his belief in the importance of "particularity," which he defines as the differences among groups that arise from our "natural inclination to dwell among similar people." He argues that if something is natural it must be good, because natural things were part of the created order prior to the sinful fall of humanity.
That leads Wolfe to speculate about which human institutions and intuitions are natural and thus good. The category turns out to include civil government, patriarchy, and, bizarrely, hunting. Conveniently, the category of natural things includes whatever Wolfe feels most strongly about. He sacralizes his personal preferences without any reflection on the long history of Christians reading their culturally informed beliefs and practices back into holy writ.
As a result, Wolfe has composed a segregationist political theology. If ethnic differences are the natural order of things and if the natural order is good, he reasons, then those differences should dictate the bounds of an ethnically homogenous Christian nation. Wolfe denies that he is making a white nationalist argument, partly on the grounds that he has nonwhite friends and partly because "the designation 'white' is tactically unuseful." But black friends or not, if you wanted to inject a sacralized white supremacy into the conservative mainstream, this book would be a primer on dog whistling past that particular graveyard.
Other reviewers have highlighted Wolfe's racist associations. The book's publisher began as a vanity label for a self-described "paleo-Confederate." Wolfe co-hosted a politics podcast with a closeted white supremacist named Thomas Achord, who once called black men "chimps."
But the problem here runs deeper than mere associations. Wolfe repeatedly incorporates notorious white supremacists into his argument, including the neo-Nazi William Gayley Simpson, the antisemite Ernest Renan, and the virulent racist Enoch Powell. His first chapter opens with a quote affirming "tribal behavior" from Samuel Francis, whom the racist writer Jared Taylor once praised as the "premier philosopher of white racial consciousness of our time." Wolfe's fascination with such ideas predates this book: He has also written an essay linking Francis' idea of "anarcho-tyranny" to black people's allegedly innate criminality.
Fear permeates The Case for Christian Nationalism, especially in Wolfe's list of 38 aphorisms summarizing his grievances against a changing culture. Not only is feminism assumed to be bad, but we supposedly "live under a gynocracy—a rule by women" who emasculate men by enforcing "feminine virtues, such as empathy, fairness, and equality." Racism only comes up when Wolfe calls on Christians to ignore accusations of bigotry. And he argues that the future of America depends on keeping children at home into their 20s, growing your own food, weightlifting to keep testosterone levels high, and avoiding vegetable oil.
When fear propels one's political project, it generates paranoid delusions. It is delusional to propose that the pathway forward for conservative Christians—living in a society in which religious "nones" outnumber any other single religious group—is violent revolution on behalf of a Presbyterian prince who will punish blasphemers. While there are still challenges to religious freedom in America, there has never before been a society in human history where Christians have been so free to worship, speak, and live out their faith.
Karl Deutsch once defined a nation as any "group of people united by a mistaken view about the past and a hatred of their neighbors." Wolfe's nativist vision of a Christian nation and his stated aversion to arguing from history fit that definition in both regards. Like a socialist who declares that true communism has never been tried, Wolfe naively asserts the desirability of state-sponsored religion and hardly bothers to prove it ever actually worked.
Wolfe offers a brief apologetic for religious establishment in colonial Massachusetts, gullibly accepting the word of various Puritan leaders that the punishments they meted out to religious dissidents were just and proportionate. But state violence is necessary for any such religio-political project. In Puritan Massachusetts, Quakers risked having their ears cut off and their tongues "bored through with a hot iron," and they faced execution if they persisted in their blasphemy.
This is the sordid reality of the original "city on a hill." When Massachusetts Gov. John Winthrop was confronted with what Wolfe might call a "gynocracy"—i.e., women questioning his theology—he responded by digging up Mary Dyer's stillborn daughter and publishing a pamphlet blaming the baby's physical deformities on her mother's heresy. Dyer fled to England and became a Quaker; when she returned to Massachusetts, Winthrop's successor hanged her. Before the platform dropped, her former pastor called on her to repent to save her life. She replied, "Nay, man, I am not now to repent." Then asked if she desired the church elders to pray for her soul, she scolded, "I know never an Elder here." Dyer's execution is a reminder that Christian nationalism is naturally entangled with state violence.
Religious dissidents were both the beneficiaries and the architects of the decline of religious establishment. When Quakers threw their bodies into the gears of the Puritans' Christian nationalist machinery, their bravery inspired Roger Williams to leave Massachusetts and found a haven of religious toleration in Rhode Island. A century later, evangelical pastors like Isaac Backus and John Leland fought against religious establishment with pulpit and pen. Yet some of their modern-day descendants have forgotten that, to quote Leland, "these establishments metamorphose the church into a creature…which has a natural tendency to make men conclude that bible religion is nothing but a trick of state."
Wolfe opens his book with the story of the storming of the Bastille in the French Revolution to illustrate the innate hostility of secularism to religion. But if you ever visit Paris, stop by a little museum on the left bank of the Seine containing the disembodied heads of sculptures depicting the 28 kings of Judah. They decorated Notre Dame Cathedral until a revolutionary mob lopped them off, assuming that they must depict the kings of France. It was not simple secularism that led to this mistaken defacement; it was popular backlash against French Christian nationalism, which had granted its "Christian prince" an absolute, divine right of kings. Secular hostility to religion is learned behavior, a self-fulfilling prophecy rooted in the state's past attempts to repress religious dissent and coerce a more Christian society.
Wolfe's ethnicized vision of Christian nationalism is a reminder that, in a post-liberal vacuum, fearful American Christians have become easy targets for people whispering to take up the sword of the state and smite their foes.
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The real question is why Reason would give such drivel even this minuscule publicity.
They've had many articles attacking Christian Nationalism (while failing to show any support for it outside of obscure writers.)
You'll find plenty of screeching about the threat of nationalism and the right here. Surprisingly, you find almost no criticism of leftist fascism, much less how broadly it is corrupting and controlling our society. You will not see a pointed critique of left wing politics without a deeper paired criticism of the right
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You don't actually have to get all your news and views from the same source, you know.
OK, I'll bite. What issues of "leftist fascism" do you think a libertarian writer should address and criticize?
That is a serious question. There are a number of issues where leftists are authoritarians, many of which have been criticized here. Which ones do you think are important to address?
The COVID regime would be a good start, along with leaning on tech companies including patreon to deplatform wrongthinkers. After that, we can get down to baking cakes.
As far as social movements go, maybe the FBI could get off its ass and go after the people terrorizing pro-life centers instead of people engaging in silent prayer on the street that aren't blocking access to anything. Oh, and Antifa isn't just an idea.
"The COVID regime would be a good start"
Agreed. Many mistakes were made. But Reason has written many articles about Covid policies.
"leaning on tech companies including patreon to deplatform wrongthinkers"
Supporting a private company's right to do with their company as they wish, within the law, seems pretty libertarian to me. Since they sometimes agreed with government requests and sometimes refused them, the accusation of being government agents is weak sauce.
"After that, we can get down to baking cakes."
Jim Crow showed where the line had to be in commerce to prevent marginalization based on bias/bigotry.
There is no right to run a business that only follows the laws the owner wants to. If you want to run a business, follow the law. If you don't want to follow the law, don't run a business. Your religious beliefs don't give you special status. There aren't laws for religious people and laws for everyone else.
But I agree, more articles about the overreach of "religious liberty" laws would be a welcome, and libertarian, topic.
"go after the people terrorizing pro-life centers"
Yes, the centers that lie to people who want an abortion in order to delay them past the point of legal abortions are such innocent victims. Unless your definition of terrorism excludes murder, bombings, and arson, there is one side of the abortion debate who engage in terrorism and support terrorists like George Tiller.
I believe Reason has done several articles about these issues.
"Oh, and Antifa isn’t just an idea."
Antifa is a movement like the militia movement. It's a term that encompasses many different organizations. Both are fringe movements. I agree it would be interesting to read articles about the various pro-violence fringe movements in America today, be they political or religious.
You know, Reason is critical of other things, not just the areas you sympathize with. My guess is that you ignore those articles and focus on the ones that give you butthurt.
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Reason really should be consulting the true libertarians in the commentariat for verboten subjects so they stop coming off as leftists. If they were true libertarians they wouldn't talk about Trump, DeSantis, Christians, Trump, DeSantis, trannies, Trump, DeSantis, drag queens, Trump, DeSantis, Republicans, Trump, DeSantis, Trump, or DeSantis.
This is ironic coming from Sarcasmic, as the little hypocritical fuck has just spent the last three months telling us we're wrong for bitching that Reason is deliberately ignoring big stories of libertarian significance.
And just yesterday he was claiming small minded people talk about others. But then claiming he is the intellectual one true libertarian.
But note that this is proof he doesn’t mute people as he parrots what we’ve been calling him since he claimed to be the one true libertarian after taking an online quiz lol.
The irony being most of us don't believe there is a one true libertarian philosophy. We all have different takes on various policies.
Strawcasmic.
He's the Dylan Mulvainey of the comment section. "Look At Me" "Look At Me" "Look At Me".
He’s the “bud light” of commenters. Weak as hell.
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If you went by the Reason commentariat's “DON’T TALK ABOUT” contingent, putting conservatives in charge of social media would result in at least a dozen topics nobody would be allowed to discuss.
The topics would be allowed, but they'd have to be balanced. By balanced I mean if someone on Team Red does something newsworthy, then it would be alright to mention it. But only as a lead in to how someone on Team Blue once did the same thing only worse. The only allowed discussion would be about how Team Blue is so much worse than Team Red, and that whatever Team Red did is perfectly acceptable since Team Blue is so much worse.
Reason would just follow the script of most of the right-wing websites out there, where a good majority of the content is where they just spin the Wheel Of Outrage and then write a story about that.
"Look at what the crazy tranny did!"
"Look at what the crazy 'groomer' teacher did!"
"Look at what the Biden Crime Family did!"
"Look at the scary dangerous Illegal Immigration Invasion that's going on!"
"Look at the spiking crime wave! Thanks Biden!"
And then maybe a story or two about how Trump "pwned the libs" or how DeSantis is "saving America".
It's just all outrage all the time. So that is what many of our right-wing colleagues here have come to expect. They are expecting story after story that makes them outraged and upset about their tribal enemies. They don't want to be informed, they want to be perpetually pissed off.
Cry more.
I dont get why the claim not to have a team. This is basically every thread for them.
This thought isn't original, but it's worth repeating.
Conservatives see the world as enemies constantly at the gates trying to destroy civilization. The "left" is a perpetual enemy. Others have included drugs, gays, satanists, skateboarders, D&D, and the latest ones are trannies and drag queens.
Progressives see the world as victims and oppressors. That's why they rail against inequality, Christians, the "right", cops (they don't understand that the laws they demand are enforced with force), straights, and so on.
Libertarians see the world as cooperation and coercion. That's why we prefer markets to be the solution to most problems and see coercion as the last resort.
Both conservatives and progressives agree that coercion, as in government force, is the solution for most if not all of society's problems. The only disagreement is over what the problems are and who wields the force of government.
So when libertarians balk at the use of organized violence to fix the problem, both sides accuse us of neither recognizing the problem nor wanting to find a solution. As a result both sides despise libertarians.
Still not worth repeating. Largely sophistry.
For a lot of people, it is hard to get past the part of libertarianism where you let adults do things and believe things that you personally think are wrong.
We see commenters here decrying the lefty bias of mainstream media. They are not upset that they themselves are not able to find out the real truth of what is really going on. (They’ll tell you at length what is really going on, citing readily available sources.) They are upset that others are reading and believing things they don’t approve of.
The left does the same thing. They are worried that right-wing media is filling others full of misinformation.
You can tell someone’s political views by how they describe the world.
If society is always on the verge of collapse and government needs to step in, they’re conservative.
If they see oppressed people everywhere and government needs to step in, they’re progressive.
If they want government out of everyone’s life, even the lives of those they disagree with, they’re libertarian.
And if they run around accusing people of what they are doing, they’re you.
So since you and Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. (dba Mike "White Mikey" Laursen) both support an expansive state with the right, nay the duty and obligation, to forcibly provide medical treatment to someone who doesn't want it and summarily execute unarmed protestors for misdemeanor trespassing, we can pretty easily conclude you aren't libertarians by this standard. Good of you to admit it, you drunken piece of shit. How's your "cunt" wife, btw? Does your daughter's new stepdad pay for the therapy she needed to recover from your years of abuse, or does the state garnish it from your SSI?
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Hi Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq.! How's your Quora doing? Lots of stimulating intellectual discussions still taking place there? Lmfao
Don't forget folks, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. (dba Mike "White Mikey" Laursen) spent 3 years telling us that online censorship was free speech, that lockdowns, compulsory masking and compulsory vaccination were good and necessary and that anyone who opposed them was crazy and a worthy victim of state violence.
In precisely the same way that Galileo was able to find out the real truth about heliocentrism. The whiny little Italian right winger was just upset that the church exercised its free speech and free association rights of excommunication to prevent him from publishing it where other scientists and interested laity could access it. He was a lot like that whiny little right wing bitch Solzhenitsyn that way. Gulag Archipelago was published and could be read throughout Russia by anyone wiling to buy it from an underground distributor, and yet Solzhenitsyn had the nerve to imply that he was being censored or something.
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There's no need for you to ever announce this, we all know you very well.
That certainly explains the 3 years you spent supporting compulsory masking, vaccination and lockdowns and calling anyone who disagreed with you a Trumpista radical right wing Nazi. Ora squealing like a schoolgirl losing her virginity on prom night over an unarmed woman getting shot in the face and killed by a racist, incompetent black cop whose major career achievement prior to that point had been leaving his gun in the shitter multiple times.
You never want to play the ball, do you?
Good job sarcasmic, that's a complete English language sentence. If you rearrange it a little bit you could probably make it convey some meaning. If you added to it a little bit you might even make it responsive to the post you're replying to.
Rep. Jack Kimble, a master of the Wheel of Outrage:
https://twitter.com/repjackkimble/status/1657054557153705985?s=46&t=XjfStM-mdZ3P_jYoYQBP1Q
lol hilarious, a fake congressman
The hilarious part is that Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. (dba Mike "White Mikey" Laursen) didn't know this was a parody account.
He probably thought “Count Dankula” was a real Supreme Court justice too.
"It’s just all outrage all the time."
If you guys just stopped being constantly evil and outrageous, then maybe folks wouldn't complain.
But instead you decided to write a 17 line screed, bitching about people bitching about you. Never change, Jeff.
I don't expect much from Reason, beyond defending the freedom of big corporations from government overreach, a consistent if modest defense of the Second Amendment, the occasional warning about government overspending and the national debt, and enthusiastic support for unfettered immigration.
That's a lot better than we get from most online news blogs, so some libertarian/conservative commenters have grown exceedingly disappointed that Reason understates the real threats to liberty from the left, and overstates the threat of obscure right wing fringe types.
If you're dying of thirst, you can get water from a cactus, but don't expect to crack it open and find a chilled pint of double IPA.
The irony of you writing this when the exact opposite is true, but the outrage is the same vis a vis the “editors”, is fucking delicious.
It really is Orwell’s two minutes of hate, but 24/7. In fact the two minutes of hate (add in fear) has proven to be extremely profitable. See Fox (so called) News. M&Ms, Potato head, that fraction of one percent of people whose sexualities are genetically, and/or physically and/or or mentally blurred. The list goes on and on. Meanwhile the issues that affect all of us and the nation are ignored.
As opposed to, "Look at what the crazy Latin Mass Catholics are doing! If you don't care, OMG see what they did 200 yrs ago!" OMG OMG OMG!!
In the meantime, crickets from a so-called libertarian rag about the actual government takeover by the Democrat-controlled executive and administrative state.
And “Team Blue started it!”
Whatever they pay you, it’s too much.
But that's just begging them to dig in their heels and start screeching about how OBVIOUS it is that any NORMAL person breaks open a boiled egg at the small end and was born knowing that's the right way.
Comstock pirates KNOW Corn Law aficionados ride the tornado of terror to tantrum town when the GeeOhPee give them a free saddle.
Oh, and in case I forgot to mention it, any acceptable discussion must stress that Team Blue did it first and did it worse which makes whatever Team Red did ok.
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Never talks about people lol.
So the Dems got there "the fustest with the wustest"? Ya gotta admit, it's catchy.
Seeing as most conservatives are REACTIONARIES, leftist did, in fact, start it, especially when it comes to “culture war bullshit”.
"DON’T TALK ABOUT CHRISTIAN NATIONALISM!!!"
How about "Don't invent phony enemies and give them powers or motivations that don't exist"?
This is just like the QAnon nonsense, where you guys took a 4chan meme and inside joke nobody outside of it had heard of, and tried to pretend it was a national movement.
Or like the phony surge in White supremacy you claim is happening, even though it clearly isn't.
It's gotten so stupid that you have groups of masked FBI agents marching around the country pretending that they're bigots. Same with your labeling of minority conservative politicians as the Black/Hispanic/Indian face of White supremacy. Same with your claiming groups like Proud Boys (started and run by racial minorities are White supremacy.
This deliberate gaslighting and malicious lying about the proletariat, their culture, religion and beliefs has got to stop, you psychotic fucks.
But do remember antifa is fake and post modernism/cultural marxisn is only in colleges.
Well, that's real too and Antifa and Christian Nationalists all need a Thunderdome to kill each other off for our amusement.
I mean if you can give me some examples of this famous Christian nationlist violence i will take a look. But a bit confused on your comment as I can't recall any.
Eric Robert Rudolph would definitely count in this regard. His violence against abortion clinics, a lesbianism bar and the Olympics in Atlanta led to a years long manhunt and got a poor security guard Richard Jewell embroiled in false accusations by the FBI.
Also, in the Eighties, Christian Reconstructionist R.R. Rudhdoony attempted to infiltrate Libertarian circles via Reason and The Freeman until word got out that his flavor of Christianity favored capital punishment for unrepentant Adulterers, Disobedient Children, Fornicators, Homosexuals, and other Biblical scofflaws.
Given the chance, they will kill. The lesson of The Twentieth Century is that when someone says they want to kill you, believe them.
Sounds like a conspiracy wide and deep! Time for a purge!
You say it's all a myth and doesn't exist, yet here it is. Qanon and Christian Nationalism has more metaphysical status than your God..
Really Encog?
Maybe some examples of QAnon organizations can be provided, or "Christian Nationalist" groups (as defined in this article) who identify as such.
I get that you hate religious people, but quit falling for establishment left gaslighting, just because it makes them out to be the monsters you want them to be.
James Lindsay has a few podcasts on Christian Nationalism. Mostly on the fact that it’s an obvious narrative arc the left built years ago as a dialectical trap for the inevitable religious right lashback. He also mentions how they use post modernist “arguing” styles like Motte and Baileys, etc.
For shits and giggles I brought this up in a Steve Bannon comment section on Christian Nationalism and instantly had a guy (fed bot?) engage in three days worth of Motte and Baileying when he demanded I “define Christian Nationalism”. Just like the wokies.
James Lindsay is the only person I ever see talk about Christian Nationalism.
It's a strawman.
Well, yeah. That’s kind of his point. And the point of his friends over at Sovereign Nations who are being called “Christian nationalists” and are not.
But you’ll also find it taken more seriously on Bannon’s war room. He’s had some CN guy on a few times now.
And you also will find people who magically appear in said comment sections who defend it as just “Christian’s getting together to save the republic” or demand you define it than retreat to the motte the second you criticize it as theocracy,
Look, if I hated religious people, I wouldn't have cautioned you against using aspirin for a fever for the risk of causing Reyes Syndreome.
And if I hated religious people, I wouldn't have expressed concern over Idaho Bob's perimeter security after someone trespassed on his driveway in the middle of the night in sweet, morally-pristine Mormon Country.
And rest assured, it isn't just us Howling Atheists who despise the fanatical likes of Christian Nationalism. Fred Sanford was a firm believer in God and The Afterlife and acknowledged it with every "heart attack" he had:
https://youtu.be/jLw8a1g7UD8
Yet Fred Sanford also didn't cotton to religious fanatics and was willing to use the only language they understood:
https://youtu.be/OqEo0eY8IFk
To be accurate, Idaho Bob lives more in retired cop from California and Christian Nationalist compound Idaho than in Mormon Idaho.
“It’s gotten so stupid that you have groups of masked FBI agents marching around the country pretending that they’re bigots.”
Who says they’re pretending?
I dabbled a bit in evangelical Christianity a bit in the 80's. It was an Assembly of god church. One church member even back then talked about resorting to violence to defend the faith.
True. Scanning an anarcho-communist publication I discovered they want the "Overton" window on the Index Expurgatorius. At least we won't have to listen to Dada Dave harping on it as a good reason for the LP to add communist and fascist planks.
Tell me about it! Don't talk about the Twitter files, don't talk about Hunter Biden's laptop, don't talk about Zelensky grifting on 150 billion dollars of US taxpayer war loot, don't talk about Afghanistan, don't talk about the southern border, don't talk about gas stove bans, don't talk about convicted child molesters reading to children in public libraries while their cock is visible...
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Let us know when Christian Nationalists spend an entire summer rioting and looting, mike.
Or even an hour.
Maybe talk about a real threat to liberty?
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1657342144493780992?t=4bbYikTYmPj3u-0O6Voisw&s=19
“Many if not most of the top intellectuals in the libertarian space were completely wrong and totally flopped when it mattered most.”
In a long overdue article, @jeffreyatucker indicts beltway libertarians for their complicity during COVID tyranny.
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Wow, I went back to look at when I called them out in 2020. There are so many deleted tweets in this thread…
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December 1 2020
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1333721810777542659?t=FZVmJh85U7nzSffVRFso1w&s=19
.@ishapiro, does the @CatoInstitute support compulsory vaccinations as well, or is this just your personal viewpoint?
@ENBrown
This is gross behavior Rep Massie
@RepThomasMassie
I remember this thread. Someone associated with CATO (tweets now deleted) tried to tell me they didn’t make policy recommendations. I had to point out they produce a thick book with policy recommendations. The context was their open support for compulsory vaccination.
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Thank you wayback machine. Looks like in 2020 the @CatoInstitute director was simultaneously trying to make fun of my energy independence and my opposition to vaccine mandates. Never expected to come to DC to fight tyranny only to get sniped at by the establishment libertarians.
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The neophyte might think this is a "stake through the heart" of Reason's libertarian bona fides and they'd be right that it is a "steak through the heart". The mistake is that this is really more of a "remove the head or destroy the brain and burn the corpse" situation.
ENB's "Unnnh. Brains!" comment? *chef's kiss*
"This is gross behavior Rep Massie"
This was such an embarrassment for ENB, and that is a pretty low bar to get over. She is objecting to Massie asking if a Cato Director's *public statements* are also the view of Cato. There is nothing gross about that.
ENB's objection is that someone might oppose the regime
> such an embarrassment
You can't call if the walk of shame if you're incapable of feeling shame. This ain't nothin' for ENB.
It's actually worse than her doxxing someone over a 'make me a sammich' joke, from a libertarian perspective.
I get that people were fearful of covid in early 2020. I wasn't one of them, but I get that. This was in DECEMBER of 2020. And we're talking about FORCED vaccinations. I was a big proponent of getting vaxxed back then, I still wasn't pushing to make it mandatory or compulsory. I just thought it was a good idea, based on what I knew at the time.
Libertarians are supposed to be 'you do you, unless you're hurting someone else' and how can that possibly be twisted into 'take this drug or else', unless you've abandoned those principles entirely?
I've always been confused as to why opponents of the Covid vaccines claim they were forced to get it.
If they didn't want to take it, they didn't have to. Millions of people made that choice.
When they refused, no one stuck a needle in their arm without their consent.
Coercion is force. Many of us worked for places that mandated it, "put this in your body or we'll fire you" is being mandated.
We could refuse and go elsewhere, but it was still required by many employers for continued employment, and adding insult to injury it was obvious vaccinations weren't stopping COVID infections or stopping the vaccinated from spreading it.
A lot of things are mandated by employers. Even more things are forbidden. When choosing to work for someone, you ask yourself if you are willing to accept the requirements. If you are, you take the job. If you aren’t, you don’t.
The same goes when your employer changes requirements, including things as fundemental as job duties. If you aren’t willing to accept those changes, you can quit.
“We could refuse and go elsewhere"
Exactly. Which is why you weren't forced to get it.
From the thread:
"When I first came to Congress, I thought Cato would be a good resource for small government policies.
But if you can make a libertarian argument for vaccine mandates, you must be something other than libertarian or small government."
I've always thought Massie is pretty dreamy and he just shot up a few points. Unfortunately he'll drop to zero dreaminess with Reason editors so my vote will be cancelled out.
Massie's great, but he's still a lolbertarian on immigration
When he disagrees with the GOP, ENB will have zero qualms about pimping him out.
This is indeed the question.
The reality is thar the US is becoming an atheist nation. We were once nearly uniformly Christian, and now barely half of the country are churchgoers. Only 20% attend a religious service regularly, and only 60% identify as nominally Christian.
The danger of the US becoming a Christian theocracy is pretty much zero. Pretending otherwise is silly.
Well, religion is demonized in socialism and communism so it's hardly surprising.
I think it is worthwhile to periodically deal with these people if only to keep the right focused on the important stuff.
It becomes more difficult to object to push back on trans nuttery when people like Wolfe are running around linking your side to the notion of Christian Princes. Sometimes you really do need to spend a few minutes saying, "he's not with us."
The number of Christians isn't as important as the number of votes Christians can count on for religious-based legislation. In red states, that is more than 50%, since R platforms skew heavily towards religious-based legislation.
Nationally that number is slightly lower, but with the pro-Republican skew in the Senate and the Electoral College there is a strong pro-theology contingent to the federal government.
Until the Rs stops supporting religious foundations to legislation, Christians will have an outsized influence on laws, relative to their demographics.
The US was designed to have a secular government. Intentionally so. Theocrats have successfully fought tooth and nail to oppose that for 247 years. But within my lifetime I hope we see religious beliefs as the predicate for laws disappear and a less arbitrary foundation take its place.
To make people in the comments angry.
This obscure book that all of America is Not talking about and Not reading is a bigger story than the largest political corruption case in our nation’s history. Per ENB
Come, Come now. It is number 49 in Church & State Religious Studies and 47 in Nationalism books on Amazon! 65,000 most popular book overall. It's practically a NYT best seller!
It’s not a story unless the Cathedral says so.
Because Christian nationalism is what the left is using to justify terrorism of those that don't agree with them
Meanwhile, Black Nationalism is taught in every Afro-American Studies department on every campus on every college in America with elected members of congress who subscribe to it. Of course we must realize that the fact that Reason publishes dozens of articles shitting its collective drawers about Christian Nationalism but has never written a word in opposition to Black Nationalism does not indicate any editorial bias. Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. (dba Mike "White Mikey" Laursen) has spoken with the Reason "executive team" so he knows this. Lmfao.
And here you are...
If you're going to hump my leg like a feral dog in heat, sarcasmic, could you at last use ChatGPT to generate a post even tangentially related to the one you're replying to?
I do love how they’re tarring Trump with this crap, considering he’s basically a mainstream 1980s democrat candidate.
The most insane thing to me about this timeline is that Bill Clinton would be too straight laced to be a modern Democrat.
You know what else was drivel?
Everything you ever said?
You mean the drivel wasn't on all of your Mom's lips? 🙂
95% of everything on the Internet?
The real, ongoing takeover has been leftist, socialist, secular and elitist. Christian nationalist wackos probably won't get past Iowa. Most conservatives still revere the Founders and their vision of a government that allows freedom of religion, but doesn't force a particular religion on anyone.
I’ll never understand how people can see the turd burrito so clearly but not see the shit sandwich.
Not only is it possible to have two major opposing partisan factions in this country, both fucked up on their own special way. It is the reality.
"The real, ongoing takeover has been leftist, socialist, secular and elitist."
As the viability of Republican candidates and the frequent election of Republican Presidents shows, there is no "leftist" takeover.
America is a determined capitalist country with a strong bipartisan majority supporting capitalism through legislation, so that isn't true either.
We are slowly approaching the secular nation that the Constitution was supposed to create almost 250 years ago. That's a good thing.
Elitism is the inevitable result of a capitalist system. Money is power. The wealthy and upper middle class in America are well-educated and wield the majority of power. If the alternative is a non-capitalist system, the cost is too high.
"Most conservatives still revere the Founders and their vision of a government that allows freedom of religion, but doesn’t force a particular religion on anyone."
Given the Rs fierce resistance to secular government, why would you think this is true?
My exact thought. I pay Reason to waste time on this clear nut case? How about finally covering Tony Bobilinski?
The modern GOP is certainly Christo-Fascist. In fact it is the defining characteristic of the GOP today.
Most Republicans Support Declaring the United States a Christian Nation
New polling shows the appeal — and limits — of a Christian nationalist message.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/21/most-republicans-support-declaring-the-united-states-a-christian-nation-00057736
Christo-Fascism is the biggest threat to liberty in the USA today.
Well SPB is certainly a pedophile, and evidently a homophobe to boot. He hates those "gays" but loves trafficking in child porn.
https://reason.com/2023/05/11/cnn-gave-trump-a-megaphone-and-he-used-it-exactly-as-youd-expect/?comments=true#comment-10057991
Deep inside that depraved mind, he is fighting some demons. I can only assume he comes onto this board trying to distract himself from that internal struggle. One wonders if his antagonism against Christian Fascists is his deep seated fear that he secretly yearns for a strong Christian Prince to set him straight, if you know what I mean.
In any case, SPB is not going to benefit himself or this community by loosing his demons on Reason. So for his own good and the good of this community, I recommend everyone just shun him.
Which one of the Seven Mountains (mentioned in the article) are you in charge of seizing?
“So this is now called the Seven Mountain Prophecy,” says advocate David Barton. “If you’re going to establish God’s kingdom, you’ve got to have these seven mountains, and again that’s family, religion, education, media, entertainment, business and government.”
Family
Religion
Education
Media
Entertainment
Business
Government
This is the central element of Christo-Nationalism. A complete takeover of all education, business, media, and government institutions.
It is why conservatives want to kill off public schools, drive Big Tech into the dustbin of history, capture media for "pure" Christian principles, and install Fatass Donnie as the Dark Prince of Christo-Fascism.
50--80 million Evangelicals are on board and they own one of the two political parties in this country.
GOOD Christians are Literal-Bible-Worshitters!!! The Bible is the Literal Word of GOD!!!
HERE are the Words of God!!!
God COMMANDS us to kill EVERYONE!
Our that them thar VALUES of society outta come from that them thar HOLY BIBLE, and if ya read it right, it actually says that God wants us to KILL EVERYBODY!!! Follow me through now: No one is righteous, NONE (Romans 3:10). Therefore, ALL must have done at least one thing bad, since they’d be righteous, had they never done anything bad. Well, maybe they haven’t actually DONE evil, maybe they THOUGHT something bad (Matt. 5:28, thoughts can be sins). In any case, they must’ve broken SOME commandment, in thinking or acting, or else they'd be righteous. James 2:10 tells us that if we've broken ANY commandment, we broke them ALL. Now we can’t weasel out of this by saying that the New Testament has replaced the Old Testament, because Christ said that he’s come to fulfill the old law, not to destroy it (Matt. 5:17). So we MUST conclude that all are guilty of everything. And the Old Testament lists many capital offenses! There’s working on Sunday. There’s also making sacrifices to, or worshipping, the wrong God (Exodus 22:20, Deut. 17:2-5), or even showing contempt for the Lord’s priests or judges (Deut. 17:12). All are guilty of everything, including the capital offenses. OK, so now we’re finally there... God’s Word COMMANDS us such that we’ve got to kill EVERYBODY!!!
(I am still looking for that special exception clause for me & my friends & family… I am sure I will find it soon!)
Now we can’t weasel out of this by saying that the New Testament has replaced the Old Testament, because Christ said that he’s come to fulfill the old law, not to destroy it (Matt. 5:17). So we MUST conclude that all are guilty of everything.
This makes zero sense. It’s exactly like that dogwhistle nonsense, where you claim that the speaker meant the opposite of what they actually just said.
In fact Romans chapter 5 – onwards, contradicts everything you just said.
How you and Shrike and Mike could grow up in a modern Western culture and still be so ignorant of it’s foundational texts is beyond me.
You’re TOO stupid to follow some simple linear logic? Simplified for morons, no one is righteous (all are sinners), and if we’ve broken one rule, we’ve broken them ALL, and there are MANY “capital offenses”! So we have ALL “capitally offended”! Backed up by “chapter and verse”!
If You (Oh Perfect Queen of Internet Cesspools) are TOO stupid to follow elementary logic, I can NOT help You! (More accurately and to the actual point I intend to make, Arrogant Ones who are willfully addicted to Their Perfection, can NOT be helped against Their Perfectly Righteous Pig-Swill-Wills!)
It's not "elementary logic" when you're lying about what is written and claiming it says the opposite of what it does.
Which verse that I quoted isn't there in the Bible? What is wrong with my straight-forward logic? Where are the verses which YOU (Oh Perfect One) use to Perform Your Magic by which You Perfectly escape the consequences of Your Own Perfectly Evil Words and Deeds? Magic Beliefs, OK, ya got that one covered... Now how about Your Perfectly Magically fashionable purse, hairstyle, and whorestyle?
The verses were fine but then you went on to claim that they actually meant the opposite of what they clearly said.
That's a little rhetorical trick called "lying", Shillsy.
You, Mammary-Fuhrer, are UDDERLY incapable of proving that my cited verses say the opposite of what they say... Because they say what they say! Sprechen Zie Engraisch?!?!
Anyone can by simply reading what you wrote, Shillsy. Your bullshitting isn't magic.
Anyone can VERIFY THAT WHAT I WROTE IS TRUE by simply reading what I wrote, Mammary-Fuhrer!
You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
From the conclusion to the above…
These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.
SQRLSY back here now… So, I do NOT want you to feel BAD about YOU being an authoritarian asshole, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being an evil, lying asshole! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being an asshole! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that asshole that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!
Unless it involved snacking on feces, it's gibberish to the Squirrel.
I pledge to take on sports, which I suppose is part of Entertainment Mountain. There just isn’t enough Christianity mixed in with American high school football!
A high school football literally lost his job and had to go to the supreme court over it because he prayed on the field before games, and you came down on the side of those who fired him.
Mike's libertarian like that.
Don't forget ignorant.
If that’s true, I lost even more respect for him then I had before.
Who knew Gramsci was a Christo-fascist.
Yes, he is swriously fucked up in the head, but He provides some small value to the extent that he is basically the perfect representative of the current Reason staff. Think of him as the open window that allows us to see inside their hearts, minds, and souls.
And some of the other staff members are Epstein Island types too, if you catch my drift.
Why are you afraid of a "gynocracy" run by ENB and Katherine M-W?
(Love that term.)
Are you sure that it'd be a gynocracy only if ENB and KMW ran it? Those two could probably short-cock Gillespie, Sullum, Binon, Britschigi, Boehm and Lancaster.
Buttplug hasn’t been the same since they closed Epstein island.
And if they succeed, I’m sure there won’t be any infighting among denominations and sects, and no jockeying for power within the theocracy.
Cite?
There is never any infighting when everyone is forced to love and obey all true Christian rules Jesus requires of all his subjects.
I was just taking a peak at Stephen Wolfe’s Twitter feed. It would be hard enough being his wife or kids dealing with all his opinions and rules about how everything under the sun must be done.
His tweets have a lot of pretentious language. An example:
“The church was instituted principally to administer the sacred things of eternal life for the good of the soul. Pastors should concern themselves with these things.”
What does that even mean? It reads like it was AI generated.
Poor Mike.
Speaking of infighting, on his Twitter feed I see a couple of commenters saying they won’t read Wolfe’s book because Wolfe chose to makes his case for Christian Nationalism without quoting Bible verses. One commenter condemns Wolfe’s book as “Not a Christian book!”
It would be hard enough being his wife or kids dealing with all his opinions and rules about how everything under the sun must be done.
True, Christianity lacks the genocidal unity that your totalitarian Marxism commands of its followers. The Christian theocracy would be too plagued by competing ideas to effectively shut down all online discussion of a news story, for example. When you want true unifying efficiency of the total state, you can't beat radical leftism.
You’re in luck: Christo-fascism, if it even existed in any major sense, has about as much chance of seizing power as libertarianism.
Uh, Christianity glomed onto Fascism in Germany, Italy, Spain and Portugal. Definitely a thing.
So true. Religions are continuously fractionalizing and factionalizing. Exactly what variant of Christianity is going to be anointed one to rule? This is why religion and government need to be separate. No better way to soil and debase a religion than to give it political power. There is no better way to make a completely unjust tyrannical government than to have it enforce a particular religion.
LOL….. Within your BS “politico” details.
Among Democrats, a slight majority of those identifying themselves as Evangelical or born-again Christians also backed such a declaration (52 percent)…
57 percent of Republicans said that the Constitution would not allow such a declaration…
Politico is one of the biggest BS sources I’ve ever ran across.
Is that how you got so retarded Buttplug?
Fully 61 percent of Republicans supported declaring the United States a Christian nation.
Your reading comprehension is as Mothers Lament's is.
Among Democrats, a slight majority of those identifying themselves as Evangelical or born-again Christians also backed such a declaration (52 percent), compared to just 8 percent of other Democrats.
And I am no Democrat just because I voted against the Con Man.
So in other words; So long as you can ditch on Trump you get to spin the numbers however they fit your narrative? Yep; Sounds exactly like politico's BS propaganda. You're a splitting image.
Normally you post your links without reading them. It's more embarrassing when you do and demonstrate how utterly innumerate and statistically illiterate you are. Your bolded portion means absolutely nothing without comparing what percentage of Democrats are Evangelical or born-again Christians compared with "other Democrats" I used to think you were a lying piece of shit, but I actually believe you're really this stupid now.
The other night i was watching the game in a bar. When the star spangled banner started playing, this guy stood up, put his hand over his heart, and sang along. He was alone at first, but then someone joined him, then another, then another. Pretty soon, the whole bar was standing and singing it. When it was over, the first guy said “Go bless America,” and everyone cheered.
I quietly paid my bill and left as soon as I could. I’ve never been more terrified.
"I quietly paid my bill and left as soon as I could. I’ve never been more terrified."
Sounds like the problem is you.
Psst. EC is parody and making fun of the article from last week about freaking out over a bar that plays the anthem every morning and patrons join in.
Is “go bless America” to “God Bless America” as “Happy Holidays” is to “Merry Christmas”?
Or a typo.
Isn't "Merry Christmas" the rhetorical equivalent of "kill the Jews" according to your lot?
Just like kill all Christians, then going and killing christian children is the Sam as a peaceful protest
Nice
You would absolutely have to be mentally ill to actually believe that.
As opposed to the secularist Fascism the Democrats have been actually implementing during the Obama/ Biden regimes?
Cultural marxism and marxism in general always requires destroying all non state entities that may have community or authority. Lenin, Stalin, mao, etc.
It is the only reason I can see foe these articles.
Don't forget the big one: the nuclear family
Comparing the current platform by God's Own Prohibitionists to the 1920 original by New Germany's Christ is an eerie experience. (https://bit.ly/3d4uMH3)
Only if you're clinically retarded.
Hahahahaha, a Godwin from Hank? Must be a day ending in y.
It's been 30 years the feebs have even been able to set up a Chriso-fascist to kill an abortion doctor, shreek. Maybe once we get the trannies to stop shooting Christian schoolchildren we can make this a major priority. Speaking of schoolchildren, remember that time when you posted dark web links to hardcore child pornography and got your original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned?
You’re a bigger fucking moron than I’ve been giving you credit for.
Note to all the wannabes: this is how you retard.
Well I'll start by saying I had never heard of this book, or this guy, and if that means his message is parochial, we are probably better off for it. But suffice it to say, if saving our nation means turning it into a Christian Ethnostate, we are doomed. There is zero chance of this happening, and so the author might as well be wishing for Unicorn Fusion.
Moreover, reading through this review and other online reviews, I cannot get the sense that Wolfe is essentially trying to remake the protestant movement into a new Catholicism. This to me is the religious analog of "saving" your muscle car by turning it into a hybrid.
If your purpose is revival of christianity, then the Christian Prince could be a way to deliver that to you, assuming you figure out how to deal with the 35%+ people in the country who practice a different faith. But that won't make you a better man, any more than the state will make you a better man by outlawing sinful activities. The promise of protestantism was the promise for man to seek his own salvation between himself and his bible, without the need of a Top Man to show and (let's be honest) enforce the way.
If your purpose is revival of christianity, then the Christian Prince could be a way to deliver that to you, assuming you figure out how to deal with the 35%+ people in the country who practice a different faith.
There must be some Solution with a degree of Finality that might apply to them. In the end, that's what it would boil down to.
No surprise that you'd be pushing that. Remember how the Nazis were Christians?
Ooops, wait... They were actually just like you and Shrike.
Ironic coming from the warmongering neocon bootlicking faggot who literally supports Nazis in Ukraine.
It must be quite the dilemma for you, cytotoxic. On the one hand you want Christians to be persecuted and killed to the extent that you celebrate when trannies murder their children at school, and yet you want tens of millions of half-educated illiterate Mexicans and Guatemalans who practice catholicism to be allowed over the southern border because the only way you can get your microchode hard is by watching Pedro the cabana boy fuck your mom.
I agree, that would be quite the dilemma for this cytotoxic fellow.
Seeing as that's the handle you used here for about 8 years before you melted down like a wailing cunt when Hillary Clinton's coronation was stolen from her and then reappeared a week later using this handle and your poorly-conceived special ops stolen valor sock, the transitive property (you're trans, right?) means it's the same dilemma.
So why not include a link to your profound blog and media pages. Surely someone will line up for you...
First he'd have to clean the froth and spittle off of his keyboard long enough to actually create a blog.
Think that's nuts wait until you read this one: http://libertariantranslator.com/
Don’t click that link. It’s a trap.
Because I'm not a senile boomer trying to drive traffic to my pathetic web 1.0 blog hoping to earn enough AdSense money to buy a tube of denture adhesive from the commissary, Hanky.
I have to agree. The very concept of a religious state would be anathema to nine out of ten Christians. Especially since a number of states were literally founded by religious groups trying to get away from a religious state that is oppressing them.
They might say they want the government to be run by Christians, but to many religious people, that is synonymous with people of good moral character. The entire scare is caused by deliberately ignoring this fact.
"The very concept of a religious state would be anathema to nine out of ten Christians."
To Protestantism anyway as their doctrine of sola scriptura makes plain.
Philippians 3:20 - "But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ"
John 18:36 - "Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
A religion that literally teaches its followers to grovel to all human authority because it is ordained by God himself is on the verge of taking over America and obliterating our cherished rights to abortion and underage sex change surgery.
Pick up on the Boy Mohammed here...
"Later, they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to catch Jesus in His words. “Rabbi,” they said, “we know that You are honest and seek favor from no one. Indeed, You are impartial and teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not? Should we pay them or not?”
But Jesus saw through their hypocrisy and said, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to inspect.” So they brought it, and He asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”
“Caesar’s,” they answered.
Then Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
"They're going to iNsTitUtE a tHeOcRacY!!!11!"
Why would they have to await the Savior in Heaven if the Savior is already there in Heaven with them?
That is either jibberish or a coherent thought crappily expressed with a misplaced modifier "it." Either way, Fail.
Every Christian I ever met thinks mystical altruism is the absolute standard of "good." Every Communist orders basically the same menu item, adding "easy on the mysticism" or "hold the Holy Rolling."
Not even Jehovah's Witnesses will come visit you in the elder care home where you rot away your days in the throes of senile dementia, Hanky. Don't pretend like you've met any Christians, or communists for that matter.
"When" he has senile dimentia? You mean he writes these posts and he doesn't already?
"I have to agree. The very concept of a religious state would be anathema to nine out of ten Christians."
Then the one out of ten are doing a great job of boxing out these pro-secular-government Chtistians you claim exist. Virtually every Republican politician is in the one-out-of-ten category from your claim.
"They might say they want the government to be run by Christians, but to many religious people, that is synonymous with people of good moral character."
Then they aren't paying attention. The percentage of Christian scumbags is exactly the same as non-Christian scumbags.
Being religious doesn't result in good moral character, any more than not being religious doesn't result in bad moral character. Religious people are no more or less moral than anyone else.
Protestants replaced the Authority of a man (The Pope) with the authority of a book (The Holy Bible) yet Top Men still exist and indeed multiplied and adapted their own versions of Authoritarianism under the Protestant Reformation.
In some ways, the authority of a book is worse than the authority of a figurehead because you can't talk back to, bribe, or assassinate a book. This is also make clear by the entire history of Islam and of Marxism.
"In some ways, the authority of a book is worse than the authority "
The book is not the authority, so I can't really figure out what you are saying. The whole point of the reformation is that no one can tell us the will of God. We must discover that ourselves. That doesn't make the Bible an authority any more than your radio is the news. It is a medium, nothing more.
No doubt many people have argued that THEIR interpretation of the Bible is correct, and that THEY are an authority in deciphering God's Plan. But so what? Fuck them, they are explicitly disregarding the movement.
"In some ways, the authority of a book is worse than the authority of a figurehead because you can’t talk back to"
And yet that was exactly the basis that was used for a constitutional republic and the rule of law, rather than the rule of a man or a committee.
If the U.S. Constitution was based on The Holy Bible or Christianity, it would have explicitly said so. No dice.
You willfully ignore the actual premise of Mother's lament there.
The point isn't that the bible was the basis, the point is that the constitution (separation of powers, limits on governmental power, codification of laws, equal treatment under law, etc...) was drafted as it was specifically to stop the whims of a single man from carrying the weight of law.
There can be a parallel to the philosophy of rejecting a pope or priest telling you what is a sin and you having to just trust that morphing into the idea that you can read the books yourself and contemplate God without the intermediary of the priesthood. Those theses were nailed to the church door because Luther thought the Church doing things like selling absolution was capricious and unjustified by the Bible he studied.
One is not the other. There's just a comparison to be made to the rule of law vs the arbitrary dictates of some King (or pope, or other ruler).
If I misread you Mother's, please correct me.
No, that's exactly right.
"If the U.S. Constitution was based on The Holy Bible or Christianity, it would have explicitly said so."
Yeah, that's not what I said.
I clearly said that the authority of a written law over human rulers, which you were complaining about, was the same philosophical basis as was used for the constitution.
It wasn’t hard for anyone who isn’t a bigot/anti-religionist to understand.
So, anyone who doesn't nod like a junkie to anything a religion or a religionist says is a bigot?
Fair enough. Nevertheless, my point also can't be underemphasized on a thread on Christian Nationalism though.
Which ethnicity is Christian again?
70% of the world's Christians aren't "White" so their "ethnostate" narrative has a few issues.
They have no trouble believing a Mexican can be a white supremacist.
Barack Obama, Eric Holder, Merrick Garland, and their friends in the Deep State have successfully hyperpoliticized, weaponized, and corrupted the FBI and the DOJ to an extent that Richard Nixon could have only dreamed of in his wildest fantasies.
Arrest, indict, and imprison the perjurious criminal "Doctor" Anthony Fauci..
Impeach Garland
Impeach Mayorkas.
And last but not least, impeach the scumbag-in-chief Joe Biden. Yep, I said it yet again!
And I’m just going to keep on saying it over and over and over and over and over again here every single week until we the American people get what we voted for: some justice and accountability for the three years (and counting) of absolute hell these bastards have put this country through because of their lies and crimes. What the hell are you waiting for, House republicans??
Hey Mikey. What is this Comer guy up to?
I read on Wingnut.com that he has some strange "investigation" cooked up.
Couldn't find anything on it in my news sources. I figured you would know about a sham investigation. What gives?
What's up you fat sad clown Ron Jeremy lookin' sack of shit? How are your so-called "investments" doing, ROFLMAO. My 401(k) is still well below where it was when the day that senile old Sleepy Joe got inaugurated!
Then you suck at investing.
I'm a very conservative investor and I'm up about 7% since Biden took office. That's about average for me for the last 30 years.
Are you failing to rebalance each year? Or do you sell off when things go down and lock in your losses?
"What is this Comer guy up to?"
Illegally withholding subpoenaed documents that implicate Biden from the House.
Do you want to comment on this extraordinary action, Shrike?
"Department of Justice policy strictly limits when and how confidential human source information can be provided outside of the FBI," the letter states.
"Now, if it's for the purposes of fucking with the presidency of a candidate we don't like, you're in luck."
The Republicans seem to know quite a lot about this document (and the "whistleblower") already. Why don't they just ask him?
They did, and now they need the incriminating paperwork as documented proof, which is entirely in their purview to subpoena and demand.
Of course you know that already, Shrike, so why the stupid question?
How many accounts do you think are Shrike? It seems to be a couple dozen.
Is wingnut.com where you get your child pornography from, shreek? You should be careful, most of those sites are honeypots.
Reason is really trying to make Christian Nationalism a thing.
https://reason.com/search/Christian%20nationalism/
You almost never hear about it from anybody but apparently far more endemic than cultural marxism or their warriors in antifa.
Gaslighting 101
Don't forget that Black Nationalism is a movement taught in every Afro-American studies department on every campus of every college in America. Reason has never written a syllable condemning it, despite there being elected members of congress who subscribe to it and have produced legislation implementing its policy goals.
Wait until Reason finds out most blacks are Christian rather than transgender, 2-spirit, indigenous Hopi earth worshippers.
Still the rainbow flag shall fly over every institution. And some day, in every home...
"Don’t forget that Black Nationalism is a movement taught in every Afro-American studies department on every campus of every college in America."
Black nationalism? At every one, eh? That doesn't seem like hyperbolic rhetoric at all.
Yellen asks for foreign intervention into American legislative processes.
https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/yellen-makes-international-appeal-put-pressure-gop-over-debt-limit
Yellen, Mayorkas and Garland are three of the most destructive and dangerous people in the US government and not a one a Christian prince or princess.
After hearing about all of the "banned books" someone takes a looks at the list of claims banned books and finds out it is bullshit.
https://twitter.com/jaypgreene/status/1656664546986311681
I always just assumed that when PENAmerica says “2,500 books were banned”, they mean that there’s 2,500 copies of HRC’s What Happened or 1,250 copies each of that and She Persisted sitting in a warehouse somewhere that need some
publicitycontroversy in order to get moved.Brave New World got “banned” from one single library somewhere? Who gives a shit. Now the only way anyone will ever be able to read it, for free, from pretty much anywhere in the civilized world, is if they can decipher the cryptic rituals of the internet in order to get to https://www.huxley.net/bnw/one.html
Oh no. If you want to read A Brave New World while sitting on top of a mountain in Tibet, you might have to use Amazon first.
A look into the CCP party connections for the Chinese firm that paid off the Biden Family.
https://dailycaller.com/2023/05/12/ccp-hunter-biden-shanghai-transfers/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking&pnespid=uLhjUylHKqAWwfrK.S_oHYzT4A7wCJdxIezmm_A0sUBmgoc.4vzQn.Uu6TYII_qt3BlAakSq
Remind me who was President (or Vice President) in August 2017?
Even if the $100k had gone to Joe Biden (despite the lack of any evidence that it did), I'm not sure that would have been any of our business.
We can only imagine what Hunter told the Chicoms, but we do know it wasn't anything about what his father could do for them in return, because in August 2017 Joe Biden was an ex-government employee with only the after-dinner speaking circuit on the horizon. (He didn't launch his campaign until April 2020.)
And $100k? That sure sounds like a lot of money, until you recall that Hunter was getting $83k *a month* from Burisma for doing practically nothing (and nothing illegal) at all. Seriously, folks? There's only one reason to omit the context from this story...
Donald Trump has been out of office for 2 and a half years now and you're still shitting your pants about his authoritarian edicts on Truth Social, sarcasmic.
You honestly are this stupid aren't you? What services did bidens granddaughter provide? Romanian payments were in 2015. Joe was flying hunter on AF2 to China in 2014.
FBI set up surveillance on anti vaccine groups.
https://www.leefang.com/p/fbi-surveillance-contractor-probed?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1239256&post_id=120677069&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
So, in the narrative of this article, Hunter Biden would be the Anti-Christian Prince, right?
Or could Jesus' warning against false prophets be an *actual* both/all sides warning against both the man of sin *and* the man of insurrection and Reason is acting as double-tongued messenger in service of the man of sin and against the katechon?
H Biden is more like Machiavelli's prince, without the smarts. The family operates like the Borgia's.
He's nothing like Machiavelli or the Borgias.
I think he meant Borge.
Stephen Wolfe might be very happy here:
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-may-build-village-american-conservatives-1799809
“Plans are in place to build a village in the Moscow region for conservative Americans and Canadians, according to a Russian state media outlet.”
Steven Seagal could be mayor!
Remember all the way back in 2012 when Obama called Romney an out of touch boomer for saying Russia was America's chief geopolitical foe and Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. (dba Mike "White Mikey" Laursen) clapped like a trained seal? How could the Russia that Bernie Sanders visited as a spry young 47 year old man in 1988 have fallen so far from grace in a mere 35 years?
“The 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back.
Maybe North Korea could build a place for you, mike.
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1657060591708647427?t=00mp_jYWbpLOTix1G4gAIg&s=19
Democrats demand universal free breakfast, lunch, dinner, and a snack for kids in school
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a move they said is needed to cope with the "record numbers" of American kids who are struggling with hunger.
Hunger is at an all-time low. And school food is disgusting.
I doubt the Ds care
School food depends on the quality of the cooks. One of my aunts was actually one of the cooks for a few years when I was in school. Never had a problem with the food - it's not like I liked every dish, but nothing was awful.
It's rare that people working at a school actually cook the food these days. It's pre-packaged gruel from a contractor that both had a low bid and also greased the right palms, and says the things the politicians want to hear.
Not around me. They get the same stuff restaurants do, from the same companies. Including produce, except a couple that have a vegetable garden and use that for some of their produce.
Granted, they boil stuff way too much and can make fresh vegetables soft enough for someone with no teeth to eat, but they prepare it on-site.
I think Davy's right, there is a chance you get a good cook in there that makes stuff tastier, but the pay sucks so that isn't very likely. Most would take a job at a restaurant first.
https://twitter.com/pepesgrandma/status/1657287861517836295?t=4vjywf2GJh3SfsFDHzaosg&s=19
Shouldn’t this have been handled 3 years ago? And what’s this buried at the bottom of the article?
“He further contended that he and his clients were aware of an additional 17,000 votes in the final tally for which there are no corresponding scanned ballot images or underlying documentation to support their existence.”
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I'm sure. Did Sidney supply the affidavit?
Good article. Yet another data point to support the contention that to the Right, they do not support liberty for its own sake; instead liberty is a privilege that is only bestowed upon those who are morally worthy. And in this context, it means having the 'correct' religion.
And no, I am NOT saying everyone on the Right is a Christian nationalist. I'm saying that this example takes the usual Team Red formulation on liberty to its logical extreme.
And for some additional context, here is a recent Pew poll on the subject:
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/10/27/views-of-the-u-s-as-a-christian-nation-and-opinions-about-christian-nationalism/
It's an interesting poll, you should take a look at it.
Generally speaking, 45% of Americans think America should be a "Christian nation", where this term ranges all the way from full-blown Christian nationalism as above, all the way from wanting a secular government guided by Christian values. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of support for straight-up theocracy, which is good to hear. But there IS a fair amount of support for having laws explicitly based on Christian values.
Lol. This article backs up your own biases with very little data. Hey here is a poll of religious leanings of Americans.
Why bother showing the policies of said nationalism, be scared of them!!!
Yet you spend all your time defending cultural marxism.
But there IS a fair amount of support for having laws explicitly based on Christian values.
Why not? It's a common set of values that most people in the country can relate to. Even if the folks most likely to violate those values are the self-proclaimed representatives of the Christian right.
most likely
Cite?
Sure, but the danger is when the laws are based *exclusively* on Christian values. Like, "let's ban homosexuality because Leviticus".
Example of someone doing this?
Every State that banned Sodomy and Crimes Against Nature up to Lawerance v.Texas.
Way to go back 100 years to talk about current day politics lol. Or did you think this book is an historical text?
"Way to go back 100 years"
Unless I'm missing something, Lawrence was 20 years ago, not 100.
Well that was the basis for the laws, which basically existed from Colonial times to the ruling of Lawrance v. Texas.
They were defended by cultural conservatives up through Texas' loss in Lawrence.
They may have been written in the 18th century, but they were defended into the 21st century. Because, you know, gays.
Those Christians are a minority. Most of them place the New Testament above the Old.
The ones that don't are Jewish. Lol.
So why are Christians so interested in the pushing the Ten Commandments? Since it's a Jewish thing from the Old Testament.
Why don't you want to accept your own religious text?
"Christian values. Like, “let’s ban homosexuality because Leviticus”.
That would be Jews, Chemleft.
Christians would say "We can't practice homosexuality because of Romans 1:26–27; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10 and Jude 1:7"
Muslims would say "We can't tolerate homosexuality because of al-Naml 27:54-58; al-Nisa 4:16; Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 1/463 and the Sunnah"
Buddhists would say "We can't practice homosexuality because it's a violation of The Third Precept".
Zoroastrians would say "We can't practice homosexuality because of its condemnation in the Vendidad and the Gathas".
Etcetera...
Distinction without difference to those of us who are not Heterosexual.
And it's a distinction without difference to anyone who doesn't go on mere say-so of ancient FWD, FWd, Fwd, fwd, fd emails based on millenia of oral tradition done like the kid's game of "Telephone."
Distinction without a difference usually means you're ignorant.
Wow Encog, you're gay? I did not know that.
I'm Pansexual. I like sexy adults of any sex, gender, or orientation, all depending on mood or how someone strikes the fancy.
If you’re going to slag on someone, you should at least know the texts that they use to justify their belief in their “sky daddy”.
Well I do know and I "slag" on the texts equally. None of these texts establish the existence of a Supernatural Being and further, how consenting adults desire and love each other is nobody's business, whether State or Religion, ancient or modern.
"Good article."
I thought you'd say that about what is essentially making shit up.
Hey, remember how you spent 4 years telling us that people should be confined to their homes or sent to concentration camps to be quarantined if they didn't practice the religious ritual of wearing a mask and getting forcibly injected with a medical treatment they didn't want to take? I never knew you were a Christian, cytotoxic.
Gee, this cytotoxic fellow sounds like a horrible human being.
He sure is, he's actually such a piece of shit that he left Reason.com in a blubbering diatribe after Hillary Clinton lost in 2016, only to return a couple weeks later with a new handle called "chemjeff radical individualist" and then started a sock called "De Oppreso Liber" falsely claiming to be a special operations soldier and threatening people's lives until challenged to back up his claims.
Accurate.
You're not human, Jeff.
You're just a tumor. Literally cancer. A clump of cells that should be eradicated.
Hahahahahahahahaha
https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1657383130314203142?t=rQ2POYkp1s3rAg0z8ww4Ag&s=19
“How could our leaders… put our communities at risk by placing unvetted non-taxpayers right next to our seniors?”
People like preserving their neighborhoods, are happier among people they recognize, and crave a familiar home, and that’s healthy & normal.
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LOL! South Shore Chicago used to be all white.
https://twitter.com/reannadilley/status/1657170536860901377?t=cGDzMg4lVtwXMVPsvYE6_w&s=19
Dear Elon:
The other day I yelled at my husband for hurting my feelings by saying something harmless that I completely misunderstood, and he still had to apologize, and I stayed mad for like 2 days before suddenly starting my period, but I still haven't told him I was wrong (and I might not) SO I'M NOT SAYING WOMEN SHOULDN'T BE IN POSITIONS OF POWER ON A FREE SPEECH PLATFORM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAVE FULLY CONSIDERED----
So, this is happening.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/12/politics/republican-governors-letter-transgender-sports-ban-title-ix/index.html
So I guess the idea here is to re-litigate the Bostock case? Okay, I guess. Although I don't know why they would expect a different result.
The bostock case was wrongly decided. Sex based laws have always existed as a remedy for unequal treatment, such as title ix. It is Gorsuchs worst case. He became enraptured with legislative trickery and massaging rather than the clearly written requirements.
It was a terrible ruling and all that was states about it remains true, the slippery slope is no longer slope but reality.
The law cannot change reality. Sorry that you don't understand science jeff, being a post modernist and all.
Is that your response to every Supreme Court case you disagree with? Do you ever consider that your opinion might not be legally valid?
How does asking the administration to change a brand new interpretation of a half-century old law to include "gender identity" as the equivalent of sex mean relitigating a court case?
If this actually went down the Bostock rabbit hole, separate men's and women's sports would also be illegal, as this is obviously discrimination on the basis of sex.
But I don't think that is where they headed by asking the feds to withdraw their interpretation.
Jeff doesn't even understand the court made clear in that ruling how limited their legal gamesmanship was based on the ruling.
SCOTUS, as it often does, rendered a narrow ruling in Bostock based on the legal issues presented before the Court, without reaching the myriad of potential challenges that are sure to come in the future. For example, the Court did not address whether an employer’s sincerely held religious beliefs or another religious exemption could shield an employer from having to comply with the mandates of Bostock. Though, this very issue was addressed in one of the underlying cases in Bostock (R.G. & G.R. Harris Funeral Homes, Inc. v. EEOC) by the United States Court of Appeals for the 6th Judicial Circuit (“6th Circuit”).
This was the parade of horrible predicted post ruling that many observers noted post ruling. That bostock would be used as Jeff is using it here.
https://www.natlawreview.com/article/employers-understanding-supreme-court-s-title-vii-ruling
This tranny thing is the most insane movement.
It's the height of absurdity on its face.
And that's why it's important and being pushed.
The idea of Man as blank slate, infinitely moldable, is fundamental to modern progressivism.
There is nothing that affirms blank slatism as much as erasing the most basic inherent biological trait.
No one is changing a person's biological sex. A person born a male will always biologically be a male, and a person born a female will always biologically be a female.
What is changing is one's gender identity. That is, how an individual perceives one's self.
Why can't you all grasp this very simple distinction?
Biology dictates that a man has XY chromosomes.
Biology does not dictate that a man must wear a coat and tie to formal events.
Biology dictates that a woman has XX chromosomes.
Biology does not dictate that a woman must wear a gown to formal events.
We don’t grasp it because it is bullshit. Gender as a construct has no form. It is not predictable. It isnt even definable. Those on your side filled with post modernists can’t even define it. People who except the fluidity of it can’t define it and constantly change their own definitions.
In other words it is bullshit. But that seems to be the primary source of your ideology.
The fact that your bullshit defines fixing gender by replicating physical aspects formed by biology is a knife in the heart to the entire dogma.
Did I mention it was bullshit?
Your last sentence by the way is such a retarded strawman of the argument. Nobody is forcing women to wear dresses. But your side wants to force drugs and surgery onto kids.
Ironically it is your bullshit that says of someone likes wearing dresses they must identify as female.
So again. Bullshit.
Then biology should dictate what athletic team you play on.
Then why are people who were born biologically male being allowed to participate in sex-segregated (not gender-segregated) sports with people who were born biologically female simply because they decided to perceive themselves as a different gender than their biological sex, cytotoxic? You really didn't think this one through.
Well, you see, there was this thing called the Bostock decision. Perhaps you've heard of it.
Sure have. Since it doesn't apply to the topic under discussion, it's a strange thing to bring up.
How does Bostock forbid schools from segregating sports teams on the basis of sex?
The decision you haven't bothered to read?
“A person born a male will always biologically be a male, and a person born a female will always biologically be a female.”
I can’t believe Reason let’s such transphobic bigotry stay on its website.
That's what virtually every person, pro-trans, anti-trans, or I-don't-care-either-way-about-trans, believes.
The only people who claim that trans people think they can change their chromosomes or internal organs are anti-trans folks. It's not just a strawman, it's a failure of intellect by those who can't accept that trans people exist.
We've watched many people get cancelled because they refused to refer to some mentally ill person suffering delusions as their "proper" gender. MtF trans persons believe they're women, and they believe if they just take some hormones and get a couple surgeries they'll be just like a "cis-gender" woman too.
Ask a pre-surgery MtF about their soft, feminine penis, and to explain how they're actually lesbians.
"MtF trans persons believe they’re women"
They don't, however, think thatbthey have XX chromosomes and ovaries.
"they’ll be just like a “cis-gender” woman too."
No, they believe that their outward appearance will change. Only cultural conservatives believe your story.
Look at Mr. Biologist over here.
You mean saying that chromosomes and internal organs can't change and that no one thinks they will?
That doesn't take a biologist, it just requires honesty. A notably absent virtue in anti-trans rhetoric.
The revision to the interpretation of Title IX stems directly from the Bostock decision.
No it doesn't as literally cite right above your comment before you posted. Lol.
Jeff will claim he blocked you so he can plead ignorance.
Specifically, here is how the Bostock decision applies to Title IX.
https://www.justice.gov/crt/page/file/1383026/download
And you ignore the dicta of the decision stating how narrow the decision is.
The fact you had to rush back to post this shows you didn’t mute anyone dummy.
I mean you posted this from a known activist in the DoJ Civil Rights department. Lol. Why not post the actual decision? Oh. Because it doesn't say what you want it to. So post an interpretation from an activist.
Such a fucking moron.
https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1657370450190643200?t=ASudlih7DKWVvlZyG_4c0A&s=19
To be at once the party of unsecured borders, reparations, homeless encampments, non-enforcement of criminal law, child sex changes, and removing educational standards is a tricky balancing act -- it is amazing how well the party has succeeded in holding it together
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I skimmed this and read:
To be at once the party of unsecured borders, homeless encampments, non-enforcement of criminal law, child sex changes, and removing educational standards is a tricky balancing act
And honestly thought it was another thread referring to Reason-brand Libertarianism.
Pretty much identical
"it is amazing how well the party has succeeded in holding it together"
You'd be surprised what money can do.
Choose reason. Every time.
Choose reason. Every time. Especially over sacred ignorance and dogmatic intolerance.
Choose reason. Most especially if you are older than 12 or so. By then, childhood indoctrination fades as an excuse for gullibility, ignorance, bigotry, superstition, and backwardness. By adulthood -- this includes ostensible adulthood, even in slack-jawed rural and southern communities -- it is no excuse.
Choose reason. Every time. And education, inclusiveness, freedom, modernity, science, and progress. Avoid childish superstition, ignorance, bigotry, authoritarianism, backwardness, silly dogma, insularity, and pining for illusory good old days. Those good old days never existed. Not 75 years ago. Not 175 years ago. Not 2,000 years ago, except in fairy tales suitable solely for young children and especially gullible adolescents.
Choose reason, every time. Be an adult.
Or, at least, please try.
Otherwise, you could wind up an authoritarian, superstition-addled, slack-jawed, un-American, right-wing rube like Stephen Wolfe.
Thank you.
Is this a riff on "choose love"?
I kinda like the one from Wonder. (A fantastic book, read it to your kids if you haven't)
“When given the choice between being right or being kind choose kind.”
He doesn’t seem to be slack-jawed, which is actually part of the problem. He is smart enough to have made it through a PhD program and study a bit at Princeton, and written a book that puts an intellectual veneer on a bunch of b.s. that is credible enough to impress a slack-jawed readership.
Cite?
I want the cite that a PhD given modern colleges requires intelligence. Especially in the humanities.
He's studying at the Robert George institute that mars the Princeton campus.
Legitimate, mainstream schools hire err when they hire these token nonsense-peddlers and old-timey bigots in a perverse strain of diversity. Nonsense, superstition, and bigotry do not belong on strong, liberal-libertarian campuses. They belong on the campuses of fourth-tier (or unranked), conservative-controlled hayseed factories.
I'd wager you're probably more likely to be mistaken for a man than anyone with an I.Q. above 75 ever actually taking you seriously, Reverend. Your parody game is weaker than a ten-year-old girl's benchpress.
"Your parody game is weaker than a ten-year-old girl’s benchpress."
Literally made me laugh out loud. Well done!
Yet most comments that take you seriously seem to have in common a contempt for your laziness of mind and very poor writing ability.
To Artie, everyone who doesn’t agree with him is a slack jawed hillbilly.
It’s projection you see, because in reality he is the slack jawed inbred hillbilly.
Authoritarian, superstitious, bigoted, conservative slack-jaws are among my favorite culture war casualties.
These deplorable, backwater clingers can't be replaced -- by their betters -- fast enough.
Reason does include situational awareness to not trip on your flourishing cape, or better yet, to not have a cape.
Pop-Up Video Factoid: The Scarlet Pimpernel, the OG basis for all the Superheroes we love today, had no single disguise. Offhand, Baronness Orczy's hero had the right idea.
Yet you are one of the most unreasonable folk on here.
Yes, choose reason -- and reject Kirkland
Anyone concerned about Right-Wing puritan dictation is just practicing leftard (in-action) PROJECTION...
"take up the sword of the state and smite their foes"
Enter the "Environmentalist" religion.
Enter the "Racist" religion.
Enter the "Sexist" religion.
*ALL* fully blown ... taking "up the sword of the state and smiting their foes" RIGHT NOW... The examples are so prominently true they are undeniable.
In order to pull it off??? PROJECT... Blame exactly what they're doing onto anyone else around. Because that's what [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] do...............
The article touches on your Neo-Nazi brethren:
Wolfe repeatedly incorporates notorious white supremacists into his argument, including the neo-Nazi William Gayley Simpson, the antisemite Ernest Renan, and the virulent racist Enoch Powell.
And Texas shooter Garcia - another of your Nazi boys:
Based on the posts attributed to him, a picture has become clear: Garcia had a deep and passionate interest in facets of far-right extremism, especially misogyny, white supremacy and anti-Semitism. Perhaps most starkly, Garcia posted photographs of his neo-Nazi tattoos — a large swastika on his chest, and the letters “SS” on his right arm. Law enforcement officials have since confirmed the shooter had tattoos and patches expressing a “neo-Nazi ideation.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/05/12/mauricio-garcia-shooter-allen-mall-neo-nazi/70204829007/
...and what is the Nazi synonym stand for?
It all makes *perfect* sense once one stops trying to PROJECT everything.
"A BROWN MEXICAN KILLS WHITE PEOPLE AT A MALL BECAUSE HE'S A WHITE SUPREMACIST"
Top drawer gaslighting, Shrike. I really do feel like our sanity is being challenged here.
Mexican fascists are nothing new. Have you seen the movie Das Boot, about a German submarine crew in WWII? Probably not, but I recommend it. One of the characters in the film, the most fanatical Nazi in the crew, is from Mexico. There are Mexicans of every political stripe imaginable.
"From Mexico", so you don't know there is a large continent of germans that lived in Mexico pre and post ww2?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Mexicans
"so you don’t know there is a large continent of germans that lived in Mexico pre and post ww2??"
I do know that. And are still alive and living in Mexico, in the present. One of the characters in the German submarine war drama, Das Boot, was one such German from Mexico. He was the fanatical Nazi among the crew. If you haven't seen the movie, you might enjoy it. It's one of the best submariner movies made, I ween.
Yeah, Garcia is obviously Mestizos, mtrueman, so that's not going to work.
"Garcia is obviously Mestizos, mtrueman, so that’s not going to work."
Most Mexicans are Mestizos. Reminds me of that line from Blood Meridian: 'You can't be all Mexican. It's like being all mongrel.'
As I said, Mexico contains multitudes. A fascist Mexican, even a Mestizo, is not as unlikely as you think.
We're not talking about fascists a la Franco, we're talking about brown-skinned, neo-Nazi white supremacist Mexicans, which is just fucking stupid.
Yes, that's right, there are stupid people in Mexico, too. There are also the resentful, dispossessed, and angry, just like everywhere else.
But don't let that put you off. It's a wonderful country, and some of the people are alright. It helps a lot if you learn some Spanish, not a hard language to learn, as languages go, particularly if you are starting with English as a mother tongue.
What the hell? What's that little homily got to do with anything?
I've been to Mexico. Belize, Columbia, Ecuador and Dominican Republic too. In fact I'm reasonably sure I'm better travelled than you are.
I'm glad you are widely traveled. Just keep an open mind and don't let the fact that this particular shooter was Mexican prejudice you against all of our other shooters, some of whom are good people, I'm told.
His being a Mexican Fascist doesn’t make him a white supremacist…
Even if he were a white supremacist, it doesn't make all white people evil murderers. Some of them are good people.
Except that the claim is that he's a Mexican white supremacist, not a Mexican Fascist.
Why can't he be a white supremacist? Or a fascist, for that matter? Because you've decided his skin is too dark? Who made you the boss of white supremacy?
Also, posting handwritten missives, using language that sounds like they were written by a 30-year-old white woman and humanities grad for her DEI course, onto a Russian language website where they received zero engagement, isn’t typical of your average Mexican gangbanger.
Would it be a c0nSpiRacY thEorY to think that’s a wee bit suspicious too?
" isn’t typical of your average Mexican gangbanger."
More typical of your average Texas shooter.
Yeah, Texas is legendary for its numerous Mexican white supremacist shootings.
Also you're a 9/11 Truther. This is fucking riotously funny.
Yes. Your average Texas shooter talks about inclusion, social-emotional learning and sympathetically talks about LGBTQ issues faced by the tranny school killer... oh wait.
"Perhaps most starkly, Garcia posted photographs of his neo-Nazi tattoos — a large swastika on his chest, and the letters “SS” on his right arm. Law enforcement officials have since confirmed the shooter had tattoos and patches expressing a “neo-Nazi ideation.”"
If the OK.RU profile is fake, but the dead guy really did have "neo-Nazi" tattoos, who would have gone to the trouble to "smear" the poor guy with "fake" pictures showing his actual tattoos?
Lol. The pictures missing his neck tattoos? The ones everyone called bullshit but one NBC “expert?” when the law enforcement agency mentioned cartel tats but no supremacy tats?
I guess idiots really do fall for anything.
And since you're stupid... here is the picture idiots fall for and one of him. Notice that tattoo on only one of the pictures? Lol. Fucking naive retard.
https://twitter.com/S_4_R_G_3/status/1655654302642470912
Yeah, those tat shots are as phony as his manifesto.
Ask yourself why the photos don't show his face and are conveniently but awkwardly cropped.
This was just a poorly thought out psy-op to create a false equivalence to the tranny shooter, by claiming a cartel gangbanger was a white supremacist shooter.
Sadly for your narrative, Shrike, the op was conducted by idiots.
Look up the idiom wishcasting. When you're done, spend some time reflecting on those life choices that impaired your ability to reason.
Funny how you support a war orchestrated on behalf of a government that uses actual neo-Nazi stormtroopers as enforcers and outlaws religious practice and political opposition parties while calling everyone else a neo-Nazi, shreek. Not as funny as the time you got your original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned for posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography, but still funny.
Ah, so you are Tulpa, the other gormless KP-downloader Overt keeps exposing...
Sorry to disappoint you, sarcasmic, but no, still not Tulpa. Also your pedophile friend can speak for himself through his dozen or more socks, he doesn't need yours to do it for him.
"but still funny."
Pedophilia, properly done, can be hilarious.
https://twitter.com/KeenanPeachy/status/1657039854469894150?t=PwM4y6J9qALRkAgeQOXuKw&s=19
A travesty and an abomination. Neely got 4 months for attempted kidnapping, zero prison for attempted murder of elderly woman. Justice Dept has become a reparations broker, now accepts live humans as down payments.
https://twitter.com/docMJP/status/1657385335729319936?t=ETGkzodDe0ohmvq6k-MaKw&s=19
Reminder. Most of the footage you see is from one tiny part of a 2,000 mile border. We have passed the point at which the phrase “media blackout” was often hyperbole.
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Yeah, there’s such a “media blackout” that the UK’s Guardian didn’t actually post this photo essay on Friday: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2023/may/11/us-mexico-border-photos-title-42
Where, oh where, can we find the troof?!?
Identity politics nonsense breeds identity politics nonsense in reaction. When any racial identity "nationalism" is regarded as acceptable, or even understandable it gives the green light to others that might be considered less savory. The acceptability of, say black nationalism by the Left does lead to an inevitable reaction by whites, especially lower class ones who do not see themselves at particularly advantaged by society.
...all part of the unrestricted [WE] identity-affiliated mob RULES game of "democracy". The very destruction of this nation lies in it's progressive championing of "democracy" instead of championing what it really is *suppose* to be; A ----> CONSTITUTIONAL <----- Union of Republican States. There is no USA when "democracy" can make of it whatever [WE] mobsters RULE want it to be.
"Identity politics nonsense breeds identity politics nonsense in reaction. When any racial identity “nationalism” is regarded as acceptable"
Christianity is not a race or a racial identity, but a religion.
You did not read the article, did you?
No, was it worth the effort?
John Kirby admits the birder chaos is a means to provide extra pathways in violation of immigration law.
“I think it’s just incorrigible to compare what we’re trying to do with safe and effective pathways coming in through the border to what happened with Afghanistan. It is not at all the same situation. And the footage that you just showed demonstrates that it’s not chaos down there at the border, at least not right now. We’re doing everything we can to strike a right balance here between providing legal pathways into the country but enforcement of our border laws, of our need to have a safe and secure border there, Jake.
Falsley claiming asylum is now up to a 4 to 10 year visa equivalent.
Tayler Hansen · May 11, 2023 @TaylerUSA · Follow Brownsville, TX: Migrants open their DHS packets and use their government issued cell phones after being processed and receiving court dates.
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Some migrants have shown me that their court dates are as far out as 2027.
In New York, for instance, many border crossers will not have to go before an immigration judge until October 2032.
https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1657389365344051201?t=JD_qYxGyQAbXkUQ3GDcX0w&s=19
When's the last time you traveled to a country and got a free hotel, free cell phone, and 3 meals a day, and all you had to do was show up with no passport
Don’t forget be exempted from many common laws and regulations like in California. Including free legal representation.
https://twitter.com/ComradeDoyIe/status/1657179656280317954?t=TkQdGxcwO8Fvu4YdZ318IQ&s=19
Imagine telling a Founding Father that we pretty much decided that we need a bunch - tens and tens of millions - of people from the third world to come enrich us since we were insufficiently capable of maintaining civilization otherwise
The Comprehensive List of Federal Laws Restricting Immigration Passed by the Founding Fathers
1.
Forgot about the constitution huh? About that whole congress power and everything?
Alien and Sedition Act has entered the chat.
I haven't, personally, but there are various international refugee conventions which essentially require it. Last time I checked, the US had signed up to them.
The same refugee conventions require you to apply for asylum in the first country of safe harbor, sarcasmic. Mexico is one such country.
Don't confuse spam of being well informed.
https://twitter.com/SethDillon/status/1657079170948825089?t=5nVGlI763tOxIdyevy-6kw&s=19
They used to say evil prevails when good men fail to act. But now it prevails because good men — when they do act — are vilified, arrested, and charged with crimes.
If you punish men for risking their safety for the sake of yours, they’ll stand down and leave you to fend for yourself. This is how a society defeats itself.
Deadly force is not warranted in all circumstances. Justice requires that those who are reasonably suspected to have committed crimes are prosecuted. He certainly deserves a robust defence, but if he killed the guy when he shouldn't have, he needs to be held responsible for his actions.
How about Michael Byrd, sarcasmic? I guess the only mistake this guy made was not being an incompetent racist black cop. If he were, he could have shot the guy who he and three other bystanders including a black guy subdued and gotten you to suck his cock for it.
I've been wondering why Reason has not covered the documented evidence of Biden family influence peddling. Guess they needed space for this inconsequential article about an inconsequential book written by an inconsequential author.
Reason has never covered the Hunter laptop emails? Extraordinary.
I guess denying they exist and then joining the chorus of media properties disclaiming it as Russian disinformation does count as "coverage" sarcasmic.
Probably because the fact that the adult son of Joe Biden is a scumbag has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
Unless you really, really want it to and believe that innuendo and supposition is the same as evidence.
Is guilt by association a valid basis for character assassination? And if so, does it work for New York City developers as well? Because the evidence that Trump is a slimy, dirty, overhyped con man has a decades-long trail of bread crumbs.
My belief is that if you only have innuendo and family relation, you're just trying to dirty up someone you don't like. Confirmation bias on steroids, without any actial ability to convince anyone not already inclined to believe it.
(Continued from yesterday's discussion because I thought it was interesting and I didn't want to continue on a dead thread)
https://reason.com/2023/05/12/tucker-carlsons-twitter-venture-tests-mainstream-medias-eroding-grip/?comments=true#comment-10061147
First, I think we ought to be a little more precise here. I think we should separate the speech of two types of government actors:
1. Politicians
2. Government employees in administrative agencies
Their speech ought to be treated differently, since politicians are the ones (nominally) in charge, and the government employees are the ones bound by the laws written by the politicians.
1. Politicians - they have free speech rights to say whatever they like, even if that speech is disgusting or inappropriate. So if Chuck Schumer were to give a speech saying "I demand Elon Musk stop spreading misinformation on Twitter!", he should have the right to say that, but it would be horribly inappropriate and an abuse of his power to do so. But IMO it shouldn't be considered ILLEGAL or UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Chuck Schumer himself does not represent all of Congress "abridging the freedom of speech". So that, in my mind, is not "government censorship by proxy", that is simply Chuck Schumer being an asshole (otherwise known as, his daily routine).
2. Government employees - they also have free speech rights, but in their professional capacity, they are bound by the statutes authorizing their positions in the first place. So we'd have to take a look at the law in question to understand limitations on their abilities.
With that in mind, let's take a look at your comment:
You keep wanting to go find a line and quibble about margins. And we continue to argue that even if you WERE to prevail at the margins, it doesn’t matter *because* we are far past the margins.
I don't actually agree that we are "far past the margins". What I have observed from the complaints here, is that most of the complaints are about the speech of politicians (see #1 above) dragging CEOs before them and demanding that they "do something" about misinformation or whatnot. And I don't think that type of speech crosses a line into censorship-by-proxy. I think that is just the normal operation of Congress (sadly). It's tactless and irresponsible speech, but IMO not illegal speech. Besides, if that type of speech were to be illegal, I have no idea how it could possibly be enforced.
The potentially troubling aspect, to me, is when employees of government agencies (see #2) "work together" with private companies to remove speech from social media platforms. And I think that whether this type of "working together" constitutes censorship-by-proxy depends entirely on whether it is a voluntary or coercive relationship. I simply don't know, and the Twitter Files doesn't resolve this (to my knowledge).
Now, to your logical points:
1) If the government does not have the power to do X, an agent of the government may not do X.
Provided we are talking about government employees of agencies, and not politicians, then I agree.
2) If an agent of the government may not do X, then the government cannot PAY someone else to do the same thing. That would merely be contracting out a power that the government doesn’t have.
Well, yes and no. Consider the following four scenarios:
A. Alice holds a gun to Bob's head and forces Bob to give her money. (Illegal.)
B. Alice hires Cindy, who holds a gun to Bob's head and forces Bob to give money to Cindy, who then delivers the money to Alice. (Also illegal)
C. Alice uses persuasive arguments to convince Bob that Alice is a needy person who deserves charity, so Bob voluntarily gives Alice mohey. (Not illegal)
D. Alice hires Cindy, who uses persuasive arguments to convince Bob that Alice is a needy person who deserves charity, so Bob voluntarily gives money to Cindy, who gives the money to Alice. (Not illegal)
In all four cases, money is transferred from Bob to Alice.
Now, if in the above scenarios, we replace "Alice" with "The government", what you seem to be saying is that since Scenario A is clearly illegal, then all four scenarios must be illegal. Is that right?
And if so, I would disagree with that. The prohibition on government action here is on the government *coercing* Elon Musk to silence Twitter uers. So no, the government cannot coerce Elon Musk to censor Twitter. The government cannot pay someone else to *coerce* Elon Musk to censor Twitter. But I don't think it ought to be illegal for the government (or anyone) to attempt to *persuade* Elon Musk to censor Twitter. Whether it is a GOOD IDEA for the government to be doing this is a different matter entirely. (No, it isn't a good idea.) But it is not clear to me that it rises to the level of censorship-by-proxy. I do not think it *clearly* crosses the line, let alone that we are "far past it".
Now, all of this presumes that the government action in question falls within the statutory authority of the agency. I don't know the answer to this. And if it does, THAT is where we should be focusing our energy for reform.
Also:
The government cannot “request” that people violate the first amendment on its behalf.
Can the government attempt to make persuasive arguments?
It all fits in the "Congress shall make no law......"
E. Alice has a bear in her trunk.
Shorter jeff
"I said some really non libertarian shit about free speech and am trying to walk it back now but still believe my original assertions. "
I have for years tried to persuade people not to get ramped up on meth--especially when sitting at a keyboard.
We've read your shit for years, Hanky, we know hallucinogenic drugs are more your style.
If the Christian Nationalists will be feeding the liberals to the lions, I can make my peace with it.
I will help build the New Colosseum.
It will have to be a big colosseum, being that you plan to murder something like four out of every ten adults in the country.
It takes workers to build that. That means zooming up and being around to show up. How will you do it when the smart ones hate tyranny and lay out and the dumb enthusiasts are dead?
Time to feed The Tree of Liberty I guess...
Good job, some of those words are from English. If you get them in the right order they might eventually form a coherent sentence.
Correction: I meant to say: "That means showing up and being there to show up."
Colluseum builders who want to feed people to lions can't show up if they are dead at the hands of their intended victims.
Sabe Usted, Señor?
Thanks. It's just as stupid, but at least it's intelligible.
If the one-third of Americans who are religiously "Nones" take up arms and shoot Christian Nationalist Neo-Nazi Witch Burners who try to make us a Theocracy, I can make my peace with that.
Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi!
I mean the activist atheists have already taken up arms, burned buildings, committed assaults...
The shooting at the Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall in Germany was done by an Ex-Member who knew the Iinterior of the Hall and knew he had Pacifistic targets in a nation that severely restricts firearms. Atheism had nothing to do with it. Ditto with a lot of shootings at houses of worship.
Myself, I wouldn't willingly brighten the door of a house of worship. Christian Nationalists, Islamofascists, and any other Theocrats will have to go to all the work of hunting me down and coming to me if they want to use violence. It won't be nice for them.
So 100 years ago and Germany. Do you have anything from this country this decade?
The “God, Guns and Gold” crowd is pretty heavily armed.
I'm more of a "Gold Guns Girls" guy myself.
Spoken like a true incel.
"Gold guns and girls" is a great motto for a transiently-homeless convicted felon who isn't allowed to possess firearms and lives in a section 8 apartment by himself collecting SSI because his wife left him and got custody of his kids.
Metric is underrated. Damned Canadians...
Replying to your own post 8 hours later to praise your own shitty taste in boomer pop music is pretty pathetic even for you, sarcasmic.
Yeah, anti-theist's been busy little beavers lately.
Huge Rise in Hate Crimes Against American Churches
That's 2021, which has now been beaten in the first three months of 2023.
I wouldn't willfully brighten the door of a house of worship. That's not only the truth, but my alibi.
Yeah, we know you're a cowardly faggot who leaves the genocidal violence you crave to your black bloc brownshirts, bootlicking Nazi faggot.
You again? Go take a Ghost Pepper Enema with a Syrup of Epicac Burrito so they can fit you in a matchbox!
Better yet, why don't you get off your cowardly bootlicking Nazi faggot ass and come walk your talk? Hell, you can even bring a whole bunch of your black bloc brownshirts with you to cower behind like the pathetic little faggot Nazi bitch you are. I've got plenty of time and ammo.
What is wrong with you?
Translation: Mass murder is ok as long as the people being murdered have different political beliefs.
…thus is why Gov-Guns should only be used DEFENSIVELY.
Progressive/Aggressive Gov-Guns do “armed-theft”, “slavery”, “entrapment” and “murder” (by it’s rightful definition). Repeat after me, "Gov-Guns DO NOT MAKE sh*t!!!"...
If the left would stop using those Gov-Guns for unjust activity there wouldn’t be talk of feeding them to the lions. STEALING because one is ‘poor’ is no excuse. ENTITLING some races and sexes against the other with Gov-Guns is no excuse. etc, etc, etc… the list is actually endless. The left is full of criminal minds building gangster mobs running around with Gov-Guns unjustly.
Seems your conservative brethren on these comments are into mass murder. No one is piping up to say “Shame on you”. Nope, only to agree or clarify.
Talk about true colors.
What. A you comment? Sign of a weak intellectual mind. Isnt that what you claimed yesterday?
Loyalty is important to some people. --The Don
"I got rid of Roe v Wade." The Don
You literally gloated about a racist black cop shooting an unarmed white women in the face and killing her in cold blood. The difference between the genocidal conservatives living under your bed and you is that the they don't have any murders to hang their hat on yet. You and your radical Marxist brethren are at 150 million and counting.
Unlike the gag you pull where you claim that everything you've said is sarcasm 200 comments deep into a discussion where you find yourself inevitably getting cock-slapped in an argument, Nemo Aequalis was probably actually making a sarcastic joke here.
NIH funding gain of function again despite non compliance by Ecohealth.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/why-was-ecohealth-alliances-grant-reinstated-despite-groups-apparent-failure-comply-nih
As part of the conditions of the grant, EcoHealth had to file regular activity reports. However, starting in 2018, EcoHealth stopped submitting these reports. EcoHealth would later blame technical difficulties for their failure to submit. The missing reports comprised the critical 2018–2019 timeframe right before the outbreak of COVID-19 in Wuhan.
Despite EcoHealth’s delinquency in filing the status reports, NIAID did not stop funding the project. It was only after a Freedom of Information Act request for the reports was filed in 2021 that EcoHealth was prompted by NIAID to provide the reports. The reports, which were finally submitted by EcoHealth at least two years too late, in 2021, revealed that the NIAID grant had been used by EcoHealth and the WIV in part to create laboratory-engineered bat viruses. Had this fact been reported in a timely manner, the experiments would likely have been shut down by NIAID.
When the connections between the WIV and NIAID’s grant became known in April 2020, Trump terminated the grant. Trump’s decision caused an outcry among the media and his critics. However, the NIH, which is NIAID’s parent body, appears to have been well aware that Trump’s actions were merited.
On July 8, 2020, Michael Lauer, the NIH’s deputy director for extramural research who was in charge of “ensuring scientific integrity, public accountability, and effective stewardship of the NIH extramural research portfolio,” wrote a letter to EcoHealth, listing seven demands that needed to be fulfilled as a condition for reinstatement of the grant.
… the experiments would likely have been shut down by NIAID.
Not if that monster Fauci had anything to say about it.
Pro-Life Dad Kills Mom Who Gets An Abortion
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/13/us/texas-woman-abortion-killed/index.html
So which killing was okay with you, Jeff? Both, or just one?
Only one was a killing. The man killed the woman.
Holy crap.
This gets a bigger reaction from Mike than Nashville or Louisville lol.
To be fair, the motive of the Nashville shooter is ambiguous, whereas as this black guy who murdered his Mexican girlfriend after she went to Colorado and got an abortion left an extensive manifesto detailing his reasons for murdering his girlfriend and the cops won't let anyone see what it says.
Oh, wait, maybe I've got that backwards
Holy crap!
I know, right?
You still haven't described what point you were trying to make? Should I link to the dem in ND who ran over a teenager he called conservative? What point are you attempting to make Jeffrey?
Aren't you one of the guys who post twitter links here with no commentary whatsoever?
(Or maybe you are all the same person...)
Wherein sarcasmic forgets that even on his sockpuppet account he has supposedly muted JesseAz.
Pace yourself, buddy, you've still got over 2 weeks before the SSI check gets mailed out for your next booze run.
No? So ignorant about everything it seems.
So this makes all pro lifers guilty of murder? Can I start flooding comments with every gang shooting?
Or gun control democrat accused of murder?
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/democrat-who-campaigned-on-gun-control-accused-of-murder/78112336/
Or democrats celebrating murderers?
https://freebeacon.com/democrats/top-california-democrat-celebrates-black-panther-accused-of-murder/
I dont see anyone celebrating this guy. Weird.
Or just bring up the Nashville murderer? Or the bank shooter the other week who said he did it for gun control? Trying to figure out what your point is.
That is exactly what Mises Caucus candidate Dave Smif endorsed in an interview with The Jacket. "Well, look, I'm an anCap. I don't think there is any role for government ever doing anything. But if you're saying "what is the role of protecting innocent life from being murdered?" I would say anyone capable of doing it has a moral right to do that." ... ". Um, I don't , nuh, you know, murder being illegal does create a black market for murderers, um, but it's still better than murder being legal." So to Dave the macho jerk was just enforcing Gods law on the Jezebel, pure anarco-MAGA anarco-Mises girl-bullying.
You should really switch to using ChatGPT for your replies Hanky. It's orders of magnitude more coherent.
Hank prefers ScatGPT.
From this cytotoxic concluded the father was a pro-life activist. Good news though, we've finally found a black murderer that CNN and cytotoxic are willing to condemn unequivocally.
Cytotoxic did? That's awful!
Yeah, he's a really tiresome lying piece of shit, isn't he?
This is what, the 73rd - 74th suicide by a close Clinton associate?
Family of Bill Clinton advisor who admitted Jeffrey Epstein into White House seven times has blocked release of files detailing the death scene after he was found hanging from a tree with a shotgun blast at a ranch 30 miles from his home
He hung AND shot himself. That's commitment.
I clicked thinking this was the story from a few years ago. But dated this year.
Yes, the early 1990s, during Trump's "long-forgotten" Miss Teen USA days...
"On the heels of the damaging videotape on which Trump and former Access Hollywood host Billy Bush salivated over Days of Our Live actress Arianne Zucker, and joked about sexually assaulting women, came allegations that Trump entered the Miss Teen USA changing room where girls as young as 15 were in various states of undress.
Mariah Billado, Miss Teen Vermont 1997 told BuzzFeed, “I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, ‘Oh my god, there’s a man in here.'” Three other teenage contestants from the same year confirmed the story. The former pageant contestants discussed their memories of the incident after former Miss Arizona Tasha Dixon told Los Angeles’ CBS affiliate that Trump entered the Miss USA dressing room in 2001 when she was a contestant.
“He just came strolling right in,” Dixon said. “There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Others girls were naked. Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half-naked changing into our bikinis.”
Dixon went on to say that employees of the Miss Universe Organization encouraged the contestants to lavish Trump with attention when he came in. “To have the owner come waltzing in, when we’re naked, or half-naked, in a very physically vulnerable position and then to have the pressure of the people that worked for him telling us to go fawn all over him, go walk up to him, talk to him, get his attention…”
The Trump campaign did not offer a response to either story, but in a 2005 appearance on Howard Stern’s show, Trump bragged about doing exactly what the women describe. “I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone’s getting dressed and ready and everything else,” he said."
So, both sides? Look up tu quoque, and then take an hour to meditate on why you're such a disappointment to your parents.
Really weird and pathetic distraction attempt by Shrike.
"Inconvenient Clinton associate suicides?
Well that's nothing, back in the 80's when Trump was a pageant owner he walked into a dressing room."
He'll probably still get fifty-cents for it though, because White Mike decided to bite.
Trump fans here don’t know about this?
That’s a fucking stupid whataboutism
A theory worth considering
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-smell-of-goose-cooking/
"I have had a theory that the FBI made Hunter Biden a Confidential Human Source.
They can pretend that they were monitoring CCP figures in the US and that Hunter was in a position to provide them with counter intelligence. As with Whitey Bulger, the whole business was just a scam to keep him out of jail on legitimate charges.
This would explain why the FBI’s Wray is claiming national secrets now that Comer is closing in on Biden family corruption and influence peddling. It would also help to explain why Hunter Biden has been untouchable despite clear evidence of firearms felonies, money laundering and influence peddling crimes. All in plain sight for years. This CHS bullshit has been used repeatedly by the FBI and DOJ to shield Democrats and their henchmen from legal jeopardy. Stefan ‘Hamburger’ Halper, Christopher Steele and various other foreign election meddlers have been shielded by the FBI under the pretense of protecting sensitive intelligence, methods and foreign sources."
Interesting.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/13/opinions/the-supreme-courts-stealth-blow-against-abortion-rights-ziegler-joh/index.html
So the gist of this opinion piece appears to be, based on the logic of the ruling in the SCOTUS Prop. 12 Case (the pig case), a state government is now free to impose all sorts of ideological tests on companies wishing to do business in their state. So, Texas could require that any company wanting to do business in the state not cover abortion or transgender care as a part of their health care package. And California could require that any company wanting to do business in the state MUST cover abortion and transgender care. It's gonna get ugly!
But vax mandates are still cool, right?
Just for you.
Hmmm, I don't remember Don't look at me! spending 3 years defending vaccine mandates and arguing that anyone who refuses to get vaccinated be subjected to punitive action up to and including concentration camps. You did though, cytotoxic.
Okay, vaccine mandate for you too. (Or, U2 if you prefer)
Congrats, this is the most honest thing you've posted since you said flat out that illegal Mexicans should all be given welfare and white people shouldn't.
Or maybe animal welfare regulations aren't the same as medical regulations and the two have absolutely no connection besides the fevered Handmaid's Tale imaginings of a deranged lunatic at CNN and you, his little bootlicking acolyte.
I had a date with a Christian princess once.
Swear to God this is true: she said her church had a Christian U2 cover band called, “U Also”. (Like, as in u should be saved, also.)
Predators value mimesis as much as any prey.
Violins promulgate theses as much as any jackrabbit.
It's funny how you can substitute any noun and verb in any Hanky post and come up with a sentence exactly as coherent and comprehensible as the original.
Seeing as Bono and the Edge have always been horrible Evangelical Christians since before they even started the band, it'd only be mimesis if your ilk copied them, Hank.
U2 being a Christian rock band, I'm astonished a church would have a U2 cover band. It's a good thing you helpfully explained that it means
I would have thought it was a play on "...and to you as well" or "...to you also" being the standard reply to the church greeting of "peace be with you" for the last 2,000 years.
I'm surprised you had any time to date between your PhD in mathematics, your career as a commercial and residential property developer, your 2nd PhD in computer science, and your other career as a software engineer. It must be nice to finally be retired so you can spend 16 hours a day posting ActBlue talking points at Reason.com.
The letter U and the numeral 2...
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1957905336/reasonmagazinea-20/
Positive reviews from relatively mainstream conservative outlets:
"Wolfe has stepped into the arena with a remarkable work of Christian political theory well worth reading.... Wolfe's book signals that a growing movement of Protestant resourcement has achieved a critical mass; he has thrown a glove down and others are sure to join him." -The American Conservative
"Wolfe gives Christians a coherent intellectual foundation that can withstand the gale force winds of our age. But political theory cannot enact itself. Christians must have the courage, manliness, fortitude, and strength to lay the groundwork in the decades ahead for what will assuredly be a multi-generational effort." -The Federalist
And “Clearly argued and forceful in its conclusions, The Case for Christian Nationalism sets the standard for today’s debates. It’s a marvelous book full of things to ponder, agree with, and argue about.” ~R.R. Reno, editor of First Things
So perhaps not quite obscure or poorly received.
I note that the right-wing posters here are willing to condemn Reason for the review, to argue that not enough attention is paid to assaults on freedom from the left, or that the threat isn't real - but an actual condemnation of Wolfe's position seems scarce.
BTW contrary to the assertion in the column, Enoch Powell was not a virulent racist - indeed, it is unclear whether he was any kind of racist; he was more of a universal nativist, i.e, locals ahead of immigrants, regardless of country. He was certainly a strange figure on the English political stage, freakishly brilliant, a wonderful speech-giver but humourless, and he sabotaged his own political career by delivering a speech - the famous "rivers of blood" speech - which, in its style, was guaranteed to be misunderstood.
Had to look up whether “resourcement” is a real word. Looks like they meant, “ressourcement”, which is a French word meaning going back to theological roots.
The Federalist use of "coherent" for "consistent" is the type of Vichy French calque I used to find in Lyndon LaRouche groupies' "Fusion Magazine." You couldn't walk through an airport without having one thrust at you--especially when avoiding the Hari Krishnas. The message was that anyone who hesitates to send pigs to stomp and shoot hippies over plant leaves is "objectively" against nuclear power. This persists today on a Canook blog, "Science Matters," by a guy with no discernible credentials.
With the Hare Krishnas they at least had one day a year when, rather than their usual begging, they would throw a big parade with elephants at Venice Beach and hand out free food to all comers.
It's a good thing you were here to correct a single-character typo or else we would have all been perpetually bewildered. Thanks, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq.!
The shtick is actually more fun and more coherent when you just sperg out about Christo-fascism on your main sock, shreek.
Look, I found a pair of socks!
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat the lie, sockwit, I am still my own man and am not a sock, shrike's or anyone else's. So fuck off.
So conservatives respond favorably which proves that this guy's theories are a mainstream threat to the body politic. Progressives respond favorably to segregation by race in public facilities, gender affirming castration of children, the politicization of the criminal and civil justice system, forced experimental "vaccines", shutting down and bankrupting arbitrarily defined "non essential" businesses, men pretending to be women swinging their dicks around in girls high school locker rooms, among innumerable other insane ideas. I'm not a Christian Nationalist, whatever that is, I haven't even been a Christian for decades. In fact practicing Christians are a minority of the population and Christian Nationalists a tiny minority of them. I'm happy to declare that this guy is full of shit. But any rational person cannot escape the fact that the primary threat to liberty is not coming from this dude or those that like his book. It is coming from the progressives who are in full control of every institution in the nation and the ruling regime. I just kinda think a libertarian publication might spend a little more time on the actual threats to liberty instead of wasting time on imaginary villains.
Yet one more data point lending support to the hypothesis that for Team Red, liberty is a privilege to be bestowed only on the morally worthy.
Tolerance Is Overrated: It’s Time To Start Gatekeeping American Society Again
https://alt-market.us/tolerance-is-overrated-its-time-to-start-gatekeeping-american-society-again/
And then, in the comments, when one of the commenters chides the author for wanting to exclude satanic clubs from claims of religious liberty:
I think there are situations where libertarians might view an action as “individual liberty”, such as the formation of a satanic club for children. And I would say no, in that particular instance, individual liberty does not apply here. It might not be outwardly aggressive, but the indoctrination of children into a belief system that will inevitably deconstruct everything we hold dear should be stopped. That was my point.
So there you have it. The NAP doesn’t apply when it comes to protecting children – or rather, actions taken that are justified in the name of “protecting children”. Aggression against those “indoctrinating” children is justified, because they lack the moral standing to claim liberty for their actions.
Of course left unstated in all of this is how one determines what precisely constitutes “indoctrination”. It is just assumed that the “right-thinking” people like the author can decide what is “indoctrination” and what is merely education and therefore permissible.
These people are not libertarian-friendly, they are not libertarian-adjacent. We can play yet another round of “who’s the true libertarian” all you want, but I’m sorry, when you are explicitly arguing against the NAP, then you’re out of the club.
This author is explicitly stating that if you as a parent find that your child's teacher is "indoctrinating" your child, that you are justified in using force to stop that teacher from doing so. That it is a permissible exception to the NAP. That is authoritarian as shit and ought to be condemned by any right-thinking libertarian.
Ahh yes. Teachers have more say in a child’s upbringing than the parents do. Always the statist jeff.
The teacher has already violated the NAP trying to decide what is best for someone else's child dumbass. Especially when it comes to indoctrination and gender confusion. It is not the realm of a teacher no matter how much you support grooming other peoples children.
Must not disagree with agents of the state.
Go ahead and disagree with agents of the state. But violating the NAP goes too far.
The NAP was violated in the example you discuss retard. Trying to interfere with someone else's child is a violation. I know incels like yourself don't understand this point, but it is a violation.
The "your" is the troubling term. A government school sends truancy pigs to herd children into its premises, an suddenly that's "your child's" school. A collectivist Congress caves to minor party spoiler votes and blam: the income tax from the Communist Manifesto is "your" taxes. The plural form adds preemptive surrender and subjection to as-yet-unseen exactions future looters may someday demand at gunpoint. Acceptance of looter terminology via social pressure is meek surrender to looter coercion down the line.
Lol
Yes, using force to prevent the agent of the state to which the state compels you to send your child for instruction, on pain of jailing you and taking away your child if you refuse to comply, is a violation of the NAP.
This might just surpass "what if you drove around with a bear in your trunk" or "illegals are more deserving of welfare than Americans" as the dumbest shit you've ever posted.
Wait, so the teacher in the classroom is also the truant officer and the tax collector?
This is starting to sound like the Tim McVeigh rationalization for why he blew up the whole building full of people - "they were all guilty in some way"
The teacher in the classroom is employed by the same government and for the same purpose as the truant officer and the tax collector, cytotoxic. The parent would be equally justified under the NAP to use force to remove his child from the custody of any one of those three agents of the state who had forcibly taken his child from him. And considering how enthused you are about trannies shooting Christian school children because of Republican legislators preventing medical doctors from performing genital mutilation on underage children, maybe you should rethink your approach to the McVeigh analogy.
But if you read the above passage, the author is not merely stating that it would be justified to use force to remove one's own child from the classroom. He is stating that it would be justified to use force to "shut down the indoctrination", which I presume to mean, to stop the teacher from teaching anyone's child at all. In fact, if you read the whole paragraph - which I helpfully cited above - the author explicitly states that simply removing one's own child from the clutches of the "indoctrinating" teachers is not good enough, that it's the duty of right-thinking parents to stop the indoctrination once and for all, using force if necessary.
So that is a little bit different, don't you think?
You presume a lot. Try thinking instead. A teacher teansing a child and telling a child to keep it secret, of which you've been given many instances of, is a violation of the fucking NAP pedo.
When you want an example of what the scary "team red" is thinking, alt-market.us is certainly the go-to source, with all its lobbying interest in the GOP.
Oh wait, you never heard of alt-market.us before today because it's some rando blog that wouldn't show up on page 26,000 of a Google search and that cytotoxic only found because one of his assblasted Twitter mouthpieces linked it to him? Weird.
Meanwhile, elected Democrats call for social media companies to be nationalized because they aren't censoring opposition to government policy enough and cytotoxic tells us that it's the divine Invisible Hand working through the power of freedom of free association.
It's almost like cytotoxic is just a stupid piece of shit radical Marxist bootlicking cunt or something.
Cytotoxic is on Twitter? Then maybe you can take up your complaints with him on that forum.
Meanwhile, the ravings of that guy on alt-market.us sound a lot like plenty of the commenters here, notably people like Nardz and RRWP.
"Cytotoxic is on Twitter?"
Are you?
You used to be, although I presume you stopped using that handle there right around the same time you retired it here.
They really don't, and that would be relevant if you had drawn a comparison between that rando blog you found from a leftypol twitter feed and commenters here at Reason.com instead of drawing the comparison between that rando blog you found from a leftypol twitter feed and the Republican party.
Actually, I was led to that site because the article that Gaear above linked, at kunstler.com, was also cited at alt-market.us. So I checked it out to see what kind of site it was. And it sounds very much like what you would expect from a Nardz-type who thinks that Team Blue is not just wrong but evil.
Jeff, you realize protesting so much is basically outing yourself righr?
Hitler's speeches dripped Christianity, Altruism, Mystical faith in Providence and conservative values 1960s Democrats and Trumpistas revere. Yet today they give him the cold shoulder, like they do Jim Jones and Ceausescu. Why not revisit those speeches? (https://bit.ly/3izsEKj)
I have wondered for a while whether some of the racist elements of the American right deplore Hitler not because he was evil but because he lost.
It’s because you aren’t very bright.
Lol. Poor shreek couldn't even keep it in character for two consecutive posts. Why do you keep socking when you're so unbelievably fucking bad at it dude?
Irony: a sock accusing a non-sock of being a sock.
Lol, whose sock am I today, shreek?
You see, the difference between socking and just not using a registered name is that I don't make characters pretending to be different people or personas. If I made a new handle and then replied to my own posts agreeing with myself as if I was a different person, that would be socking, like what you, sarcasmic, cytotoxic and Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. (dba Mike "White Mikey" Laursen) do.
I don't know whose sock you are but it doesn't matter - you're one of the cretinous cracker cunts. I don't pretend to be anyone other than who I am, and anyone with half a brain, a status you do not appear yet to have attained, can tell that I'm not anyone else's sock. So fuck off.
He’s the notorious Tulpa.
There are trolls here, but Tulpa actually works hard at being a troll, which is unusual for a troll.
So did Thomas Jefferson's and he, like Hitler, was an atheist.
The Nazis started a program of eliminating all Christianity from Germany called Kirchenkampf. But Hank's a liar so here we are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchenkampf#Nazi_persecution_of_the_Christian_churches
Wikipedia...
Are you denying that Hitler's speeches "dripped Christianity, Altruism, Mystical faith in Providence"? Have you read any of them?
The Nazis start[ing] a program of eliminating all Christianity from Germany called Kirchenkampf and Hitler’s speeches dripp[ing] Christianity, Altruism, Mystical faith in Providence are not mutually exclusive conditions. Your suggestion that Mother's Lament recognizing one condition serves as a denial of the other is disingenuous.
"Are you denying that Hitler’s speeches “dripped Christianity"
Yes. I do deny that. Completely. It's a lie.
Hitler used German colloquialisms and proverbs of religious provenance occasionally, but that's because they were part of normal German speech. NOT because he was invoking or advocating traditional Christianity.
In rhetoric and actions the Nazis quickly went from ambivalent to hostile to Christianity, as Kirchenkampf demonstrates.
"Have you read any of them?"
Yup, Goebbels too. That's why I'm not falling into hyperbole when I call you a Nazi, Shrike. You typify everything that they stood for.
How about this?
Discrimination Against Atheists--Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists
Nazi Germany
Further information: Religion in Nazi Germany
In Germany during the Nazi era, a 1933 decree stated that "No National Socialist may suffer detriment... on the ground that he does not make any religious profession at all".[26] However, the regime strongly opposed "godless communism",[27][28] and all of Germany's atheist and largely left-wing freethought organizations such as the German Freethinkers League (500,000 members)[29] were banned the same year; some right-wing groups were tolerated by the Nazis until the mid-1930s.[30][31] In a speech made later in 1933, Hitler claimed to have "stamped out" the atheistic movement.[26]
During the negotiations which led up to the Nazi-Vatican Reichskonkordat of 26 April 1933 Hitler stated that "Secular schools can never be tolerated" because of their irreligious tendencies.[32] Hitler routinely disregarded this undertaking, and the Reichskonkordat as a whole, and by 1939, all Catholic denominational schools had been disbanded or converted to public facilities.[33]
By 1939, 94.5% of Germans still called themselves Protestant or Catholic, while 3.5% were so-called "Gottgläubige" (lit. "believers in God") and 1.5% were without faith.[34] According to historian Richard J. Evans, those members of the affiliation gottgläubig "were convinced Nazis who had left their Church at the behest of the Party, which had been trying since the mid-1930s to reduce the influence of Christianity in society".[35] Heinrich Himmler was a strong promoter of the gottgläubig movement and did not allow atheists into the SS, arguing that their "refusal to acknowledge higher powers" would be a "potential source of indiscipline".[36] Himmler announced to the SS: "We believe in a God Almighty who stands above us; he has created the earth, the Fatherland, and the Volk, and he has sent us the Führer. Any human being who does not believe in God should be considered arrogant, megalomaniacal, and stupid and thus not suited for the SS."[34] The SS oath (Eidformel der Schutzstaffel), written by Himmler, also specifically denounced atheists, repeating the sentiments above.[37]
Hahahaha
No.
As at least 2 of us have been saying...
https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status/1657411630328602627?t=AMn27_RzCSp7YR4HRJxoEw&s=19
BREAKING: A new analysis suggests that ventilators used for treating COVID-19 patients helped attribute to more deaths than the virus alone.
They literally killed people to juice the numbers for the covid hoax, but I'm sure they'd never fabricate election results.
And there's totes a peaceful way to forestall totalitarianism!
My fav is the motorcyclist theat died of covid... And hitting a wall at 80 mph
Bacterial pneumonia was responsible for virtually all the deaths. Most cases were ventilator induced.
https://scitechdaily.com/cytokine-storm-debunked-machine-learning-exposes-the-true-killer-of-covid-19-patients/
"“Those who were cured of their secondary pneumonia were likely to live, while those whose pneumonia did not resolve were more likely to die,” Singer said. “Our data suggested that the mortality related to the virus itself is relatively low, but other things that happen during the ICU stay, like secondary bacterial pneumonia, offset that.”
In Which DeSantis Starts To Sound Like A Socialist
https://dailycaller.com/2023/05/13/they-could-not-win-at-the-ballot-box-desantis-says-corporations-seeking-to-do-end-run-around-constitution/
Huh. So let's again go to the definition of socialism:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
any of various egalitarian economic and political theories or movements advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
So is DeSantis saying that the people (collective) should be represented at these large companies (the means of production) if they want to pursue "social and economic transformation"? Huh.
I mean, did DeSantis fail Economics 101 in college?
Companies don't "stand for an election" because that is not the feedback mechanism for corrective change to a company's behavior. The feedback mechanism is the marketplace instead. If participants in the marketplace don't like a company's so-called "woke policies" they will boycott the company and/or choose an alternative, sending the appropriate market signal.
Oh wait, DeSantis didn't fail Economics 101, he knows all of this. He is a demagogue using "Woke Companies" as a scapegoat and a whipping post.
You really are going full leftist retard this morning lol.
Totally misunderstood the entire thing. No surprises.
He deliberately misunderstood the entire thing. No surprises.
DeSantis is not advocating for seizing the means of production, so his remarks are hardly socialist. He is advocating for companies to be compelled either to align themselves with government policies (presumably the kind of policies De Santis approves of) or remain neutral. If the former, that’s a well-known fascist idea; if the latter, it’s anti- free speech. It’s authoritarian in either case.
How bad does it feel that shreek, the pedophile who got banned for posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography, understands the basics of political philosophy better than you, cytotoxic?
I am not shrike, you cretinous sockwit. Hence I never got banned. The reason I understand the basics of political philosophy better than most other posters here, including you and the hand that controls you, is that I wasn't educated in a one-sided educational system geared to producing marching morons on one or other side of the political divide.
Wherein shreek forgets that guv'nah shreek is supposed to have studied at an American university after leaving Oxford.
For fuck's sake bud, can't you just open a text file and jot down the backstory of all your socks so you don't keep fucking up your storylines?
Nope. I never claimed to have studied at an American university, you cretin. You're confusing me with someone else.
We know. Youre british shrike *wink*
Ah, the original cretinous cracker cunt emerges. But I give you credit - you're not actually lying in your post, which is rare for you.
No, he's not advocating for explicit nationalization, but he's starting to *sound like* what a socialist might sound like when he starts to make comments like "hey, shouldn't the people get to have a vote on how companies operate?" That's my point.
Syndicalism derives from unions and is politically anarchist not socialist. In Europe, syndicalism and libertarianism are seen as the same thing even though neither stripe of ‘libertarian’ acknowledges that the other stripe can even exist in the tiny little pup tent (or maybe sleeping bag) of libertarian politics.
At any rate – de Santis is just a good old fashioned fascist.
No, that still sounds like fascism, not socialism. Your point wasn't lost, it's just reflective of your ignorance.
Okay, you've convinced me. DeSantis is a fascist not a socialist. Well done.
Goddamn are you fucking stupid cytotoxic. The case you should have tried to make with this weak false assertion by implication is that DeSantis is fascist, not socialist. The collusion of corporate power with state power toward state-directed ends while maintaining nominally private ownership with public participation is fascism. You ought to know since you've spent every day of the last 5 years defending it with regard to online advertising companies that provide social media platforms for their products. Direct state control of the means of production is socialism.
https://twitter.com/FrankDeScushin/status/1657470923811745796?t=cdx4QxHrKwOzwR3tCHz83g&s=19
The President of the United States routinely telling black audiences that white supremacists pose the greatest threat to them and the nation is the state encouraging hostility toward the country's white population. That sentiment is the greatest threat to the country.
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Well Biden is wrong, but not because of stoking hostility against white people, but because white supremacy isn't the biggest problem facing Black people or anyone, it is the out-of-control spending.
Die.
Since the headlined topic is of no importance or interest, is this the weekend open thread?
When is if ever not a weekend open thread?
Did you catch any of the basketball games yesterday?
Poor Mike.
You'd think he would have learned that nobody here enjoys his company after he spent 2 years trying to recruit them to his private Quora forum and finally gave up when not a single person responded to the invite.
I bet sarcasmic did. He thought Mike was a woman when he socked as White Knight and was often trying to be gallant.
So where are we at when it comes to "minority party of state legislature boycotts session in order to prevent quorum and stymie the agenda of the majority party"? Good thing or bad thing?
Bad thing if Democrats do it to stymie Republicans (Wisconsin/Texas), but good thing if Republicans do it to stymie Democrats (Oregon)?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/12/oregon-republican-boycott-statehouse-abortion-gun-control
Delayed legislation is almost always a good thing.
But they're a-thwartin' muh democracy!
- cytotoxic
It's just so unfair when those evil Rethuglicans do it, isn't it cytotoxic? I reckon we oughtta should pass a federal law mandating that state legislatures not require a quorum and making it illegal to use procedural rules for political gamesmanship. That's the true libertarian way!
You clearly have suffered some deep, scarring trauma. Have you considered seeking professional help?
Coming from a guy whose entire self-identity is invested in agents of the state discussing anal sex with 5 year old children outside the purview of their parents, I'll take your diagnoses for all they're worth, cytotoxic.
Is Cytotoxic a licensed professional therapist? Perhaps he/she can help you then with your very obvious inferiority complex. After all that can be the only explanation why you act like a total and complete asshole here, even worse than Jesse and his crew. It is the only way you can feel superior at all in your miserable little life, by "beating up" complete strangers online.
I’m starting to believe Tulpa is an AI.
TulpaGPT
Kinda depends on the legislation they’re trying to block on how much support I’d be willing to give (if it’s clearly unconstitutional, like forced vaccination or the myriad gun control laws) but generally, no, it’s tantamount to throwing a temper tantrum instead of just voting against the legislation you think is wrong.
Respectable Christian nationalism is often referred to as "civil religion," as when politicians declare America a shining "city on a hill." But Christian nationalisms are always contested.
The last sentence is just boringly obvious and irrelevant and weak tea. But this throwaway of 'civil religion' as if it remotely belongs here is really poor.
Today's use of the term 'civil religion' originates with a 1967 article by Robert Bellah - Civil Religion in America. There he is explicitly referring to Rousseau as the origin - and failing entirely to mention what was even more influential in the colonies/US - the 'civil religion' inspired by Freemasonry. The term derives from a sociological view of religion NOT a theological one.
It doesn't lead anywhere in even a direction of 'reasonable Christian nationalism'. I know this article is just a review about some polemic rant targeted to neoConfederates and neoKlan and paleolibertarians. But just because this author invokes 'Christian' does not mean the reviewer should either accept that descriptor or pretend that different strokes for different folks is a response to it.
https://twitter.com/CovfefeAnon/status/1657484081108484096?t=B-VNJTXGEK1_24VszKOr0A&s=19
Time for some uncomfortable "woke are more correct" about the subway incident.
First, let's get a picture of what we're dealing with. These are the highlights of the hobo's criminal record.
Notice anything about this supposedly "deranged" man?
Who were his victims?
... a 7 year old girl and a 64-year-old man.
He was "deranged" but shrewd and calculating enough to not pick fair fights - strange, isn't it?
Now, why have we seen such an explosion in men acting him?
Were the mental hospitals emptied in 2020? Nope. Funding cuts? ???????? nooooo
So what has changed? Progressives took over the justice system and their first priority was to side with and protect all criminals - and people know it.
When this guy looks around now he sees *fear* - maybe not fear of *him* but so what?
That feels *good*
Normal people think - "why do we tolerate this *at all*?"
Progressives who side with the guy talk about "probabilities" - "what are the chances you're in a car with a 'deranged' man? Don't worry about it".
Why the difference? B/c when that guy inspires fear, they feel good too.
He's their representative, they enabled him, they sponsored him, they worked to keep him out of jail, to make sure no one interfered with him, they donated to Effective Altruist bail reform charities, etc.
When they talk about probabilities and crime they're weighing harm - them being the direct target - versus benefit - them getting a little thrill when some normal person gets what they "deserve" for daring to be normal and living life.
Now back to the main point where the woke more correct comes in.
You aren't going to "institutionalize" your way out of this. You can't jail every opportunistic "crazy" who loves seeing fear in the eyes of people, who loves the feeling of power from hurting people weaker.
The only solution is hinted at by the guy's target selection - he knows who he can't mess with - he needs to feel that way about *everyone* and the only way that happens is with society where hierarchy is real where if a hobo gets beaten up, no one cares enough to ask questions
The woke *know* this is where the solutions have to head - the mainstream are the ones who flinch when they figure it out.
So, open season on hobos?
Open season on all totalitarian agents, such as yourself.
https://twitter.com/MysteryGrove/status/1657566017344684033?t=1pA89nIOH9YhcAsd9augVw&s=19
Remember that day all those Podcast Americans were pretending that he was just begging for food?
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Is this all about the victim?
Look, if you're going to subdue someone until the police arrive, which is admirable, don't choke them to death. How hard is that?
I mean, it’s hard for cops to do that, and they’re the authorities, so I imagine it can be pretty difficult.
It's probably easier just to blind them. Less jail time too.
So, DeSantis wants to "shut down the border immediately".
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/shut-down-border-immediately-desantis-addresses-migrant-surge-amid-end-title-42-pandemic-measure
Let's presume for a moment that the president even has the legal authority to do this. How would this even be done? Close the border crossing stations and migrants will simply cross the border in rural areas in the wilderness. Even if the wall did exist for the full length of the border, migrants would simply go over or under the wall, or go around it via the ocean. Or they would fly in and enter from an airport. It is a hopeless task.
The same way every other time they shut the border.
Hell, you guys just closed the Canadian border for a couple of years.
I don't know if you're really being tragically ignorant or hoping we are.
Jeff is too stupid to know visas and immigration applications exist without open borders.
He's stupid.
He's also evil, and he's an active hostile combatant.
If it's so easy and if border control devices are so utterly and hopelessly useless, why do you descend into blubbering histrionics about their use? Kinda like how there's no such thing as underage sex change surgery, and banning it will cause trans children to die. You really are terrible at this, cytotoxic. You may be the only person other than sarcasmic who has ever spent well over the 10,000 hour threshold at an activity and not shown any measurable increase in proficiency.
Tell us, "Domingo". What is your position on immigration?
https://twitter.com/AmandaMilius/status/1657513890228449280?t=bq9pIiNJSnu-_fe3WDahDw&s=19
It’s not the least bit unusual. System is so broken & backed up, they are handed a piece of paper telling them if they’d kindly return for a hearing of their case (????) in 2+ years after having several anchor babies “that’d be great” & 98% don’t, obviously.
Welcome to hell it is over.
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https://twitter.com/CrimeInNYC/status/1657533855228735491?t=1LXh94t0xpnLkZJI7PaNWg&s=19
Up to 100 migrant families are to be transferred from NYC to Yonkers — officials there call the plan “unfair” and “unacceptable.”
They will be housed at a Ramada Inn on Tuckahoe Road. Anywhere from 50 to 100 families are expected, and the first ones should arrive by Sunday.
Yonkers Mayor Mike Spano: “... However, the sheer lack of communication and planning from New York City on this crucial matter is unacceptable.”
Spano said Yonkers was told the families would be housed at the hotel for up to a year — but wasn’t provided resources to deal with the additional schooling, public safety and health services needed for those individuals.
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https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/status/1657463979566850048?t=6paWlnIR_GwlWeldZwkxGw&s=19
Happening now: The Biden administration is instructing border patrol to stop journalist from getting inside access to the crisis at the border. They’re currently sending buses across the border and filling them with people and then brining them back and dropping the people off in Texas to avoid the media. Upon arrival the people are given a government cellphone and sent on their way. A federal judge said Biden couldn’t do this, so they’re currently doing it illegally and blocking the media. In Bidens America everyone except Americans comes first
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https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1657396998390128645?t=qwx9esd0hmSPthklx5hfXQ&s=19
Leftism is a cult religion.
https://twitter.com/Partisan_O/status/1657576148887392256?t=tPwoQ8W8iiNkycBqXCR0XQ&s=19
One hundred and seventy-seven years ago today, the U.S. Congress officially declared war on Mexico. Nearly two years later, the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo would grant the United States undisputed control of Texas and compel Mexico to cede 55% of its territory to the Americans.
https://twitter.com/StevenWelliever/status/1657577536988266497?t=YDm5sfAQhNXiJXgqMJA3tA&s=19
1/2 Bolshevik-English translation:
Diversity:
“…Lenin’s paradox, the surest way to unity in content was *diversity of form”
In Stalin’s “Great *Transformation”, it was the “most extravagant celebration of ethnic *diversity that any state had ever financed”.
(Slezkine, 1994)
2/2
“elevate BIPOC creatives” …she says
Lenin/Stalin:
‘backwards’ & ‘indigenous peoples’ [of communism]
should be put into the “cultural sphere”
for the “struggle to raise the cultural and economic level”
Src: 2,3/(Martin, 2001);
4/(Stalin, 1923) Marxist Internet Archive]
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Christian nationalism shouldn't worry Reason's woketarian writers. The minute it gets as infiltrated as the Vatican has with the corrupt Pope Francis, they'll just decree a bunch of lefty nonsense to be 'valid' by theological fiat.
As for me, even the most militant Christians have left me alone, unlike the communist one world governemnt globalist types. There's just nothing you can say about Christian nationalism to make it a scary boogeyman to me when the current world is a hundred times worse than whatever weak tea would be served up by alleged zealots who, in my observation, don't seem to be doing much these days besides praying in public and getting arrested for doing it in front of people who think they're icky. Oh and maybe they're telling people not to mutilate and sterilize children or show them graphic cartoon porn without parental consent. In which case I'll take the CN side and I'm an agnostic who finds neither faith nor atheism satisfying.
It’s curious that you have the word, Liberty, in your handle yet have no problem throwing your support behind advocates of theocracy.
Liberti Yeti evidently feels that as he personally won't be a target of Christian nationalists, they present no risk.
I hope that at least he won't stand in the way of those of us, for whom the Christian nationalists do present a risk, taking active steps to mitigate those risks. If he won't, then he is decidedly part of the problem.
If Christian Nationalists are not yet a danger, it is only because of 3 pieces of small arms to every U.S. Citizen and the leverage that gives to non-Christian Nationalists and those religiously classified as “Nones”.
By the way, a lack of 100 percent certainty about belief in God is the same as lack of belief. It’s OK to say “Atheist” and call yourself “Atheist.”
And you can protect children without throwing in with anybody by training children general situational awareness, self-defense moves against the weak spots of aggressors, improvisational weaponry, and where to find “the helpers.”
I don't trust anything backed by a religion. Our Deist forefathers are turning over in their graves.
Even the President is aware of the white nationalist threat, telling college students in a graduation speech that it is "the most dangerous terrorist threat to the nation."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12082087/Conservatives-slam-Biden-saying-white-supremacy-dangerous-terrorist-threat-US.html
'Stand up against the poison. White supremacy … is the single most dangerous terrorist threat in our homeland,' he said.
'And I'm not just saying this because I'm at a Black HBCU. I say this wherever I go.'
by Stephen Wolfe
WHO?!!
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I found this a very interesting review, from another Christian's perspective: https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/december-web-only/stephen-wolfe-case-christian-nationalism-paul-miller.html
It is interesting.
The jumping off point for the review is: “Wolfe argues that we have a natural affinity for similar people and that, since God is the author of nature, this natural affinity is good.” The author of the article contrasts two ways of looking at this naturally affinity.
I just don’t get people who want to be surrounded only with people like themselves, who don’t get bored with it and aren’t intrigued with other cultures, don’t want to try new cuisines. Yet this strong affinity for only people like oneself seems to be at the heart of white nationalism.
Weird. The only people I've ever heard talking about any sort of Christian Nationalism are progressive media publications ranting against non-specific versions of it. I've never heard of Wolfe, Wallnau, Cruz, nor White-Cain. I wouldn't be surprised if this article ends up being the widest publicity any of those people ever get.
Until someone proves this quote bogus, I go with President Adams in regard to your so-called Christian Nationalism
John Quincy Adams The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.
Why you see the need for a "Christian Prince" puzzles me. You must know how many evangelicals deserted "deeptly" committed Methodist Hillary for "King Cyrus" Trump , and did so with no liking of the man personally.
The Great Revolt: Inside the Populist Coalition Reshaping American Politics
by Salena Zito , Brad Todd
As for ethical uniformity..you make no sense there. Take Abortion, either a baby dies or it lives. Where is the middle ground? Same with Lincoln on Slavery.
Speaking to Douglas, he said
" He may say he don’t care whether an indifferent thing is voted up or down, but he must logically have a choice between a right thing and a wrong thing. He contends that whatever community wants slaves has a right to have them. So they have if it is not a wrong. But if it is a wrong, he cannot say people have a right to do wrong."
Here's the lazy person's guide to writing a story " Take a hot issue, find some aberrant version that can claim the issue, and argue against every use of the issue by taking aim at an absurd example
I am fully a Christian Nationalist but 3 things you miss
1) Jesus said you can't serve 2 masters. You make as if both Christianity and Nationalism are the masters.
2) It has only ever been actual nations that protected anybody's rights. Even the UN is impotent. Whatever they didn't do for the Uyghurs they've done less now that we know about organ harvesting and attacks on the Falun Gong. How many religions have to be victims before YOU realize that it is only Bible believers or citizens of a country based on God-given rights (or better :Both in one person!!) that will do a damn thing
3) Edmund Burke was no extremist, was he?
"Superstition is the religion of feeble minds. Religion is essentially the art and the theory of the remaking of man. Man is not a finished creation. Religion is the basis of civil society, and the source of all good and of all comfort."
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PHILIA
signifying friendship-ethno-cultural
For Aristotle democracy is possible only within homogeneous ethnic groups while despots have always reigned over highly fragmented societies.
A multi-ethnic society is thus necessarily anti-democratic and chaotic, for it lacks philia, this profound, flesh-and-blood fraternity of citizens. Tyrants and despots divide and rule, they want the City divided by ethnic rivalries. The indispensable condition for ensuring a people's sovereignty accordingly resides in its unity. Ethnic chaos prevents all philia from developing. A citizenry is formed on the basis of proximity - or it is not formed at all.
> For Aristotle democracy is possible only within homogeneous ethnic groups while despots have always reigned over highly fragmented societies.
And who the heck made Aristotle infallible?
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Our own lying eyes. Inspect Japan and Scandinavia (before the globalist-sponsored invasion). Stable meritocracies, highly inclusive of nearly all citizens with the expectation that nearly all will pull their own weight.
The Ainu would like a word or two.
Uh, you can only be a Japanese Citizen if you have Japanese ancestry. Hardly "inclusive" and hardly overwhelmed by a "Globalist invasion."