Biden, Yellen Won't Rule Out Declaring Debt Ceiling Unconstitutional
Plus: Kansas voting restrictions struck down, the legacy of the "vast wasteland" speech, and more…

Can the president declare the debt ceiling unconstitutional? If Democrats and Republicans don't reach a resolution on raising the government's borrowing limit, the U.S. could have to start defaulting on some payments as soon as June. Rather than compromise with their conservative counterparts to resolve this situation, some Democrats want to declare the debt ceiling itself unconstitutional.
Unilaterally casting aside government borrowing caps like this would have profound and disastrous effects. But that's the sorry point we've reached in these negotiations.
In April, House Republicans passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling—which already stands at $31.4 trillion—in exchange for freezing spending at 2022 levels for a while and rolling back some Democratic initiatives. President Joe Biden and his allies would prefer to raise the debt limit without conditions.
To resolve the standstill, some progressives are now pinning their hopes on the 14th Amendment. It says "the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."
"Some legal scholars contend that language overrides the statutory borrowing limit," The New York Times reported last week. And some in the Biden administration are buying this argument:
Top economic and legal officials at the White House, the Treasury Department and the Justice Department have made that theory a subject of intense and unresolved debate in recent months, according to several people familiar with the discussions.
On Friday, Biden said he wasn't ready to invoke the 14th Amendment to avoid disruption in government payments. But he didn't rule it out entirely, instead saying that he had "not gotten there yet" (emphasis mine).
On This Week With George Stephanopoulos yesterday, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen would not say outright that this option was off the table. "We should not get to the point where we need to consider whether the president can go on issuing debt. This would be a constitutional crisis," Yellen said when first asked.
"I don't want to consider emergency options," she added when pressed. "What's important is that members of Congress recognize what their responsibility is and avert…an economic and financial catastrophe."
On ABC, @GStephanopoulos asks @SecYellen four times whether, if Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling, Biden might invoke the 14th Amendment and "continue to issue debt" anyway.
Yellen repeatedly says a crisis would ensue, but she doesn't rule it out. https://t.co/S2qlIEOTRq
— Will Saletan (wsaletan on Threads) (@saletan) May 7, 2023
The idea that the debt limit might be unconstitutional isn't new—"a group of legal scholars and some liberal activists have pushed the constitutional challenge to the borrowing limit for more than a decade," the Times points out. But "no previous administration has taken it up. Lawyers at the White House and the Justice and Treasury Departments have never issued formal opinions on the question. And legal scholars disagree about the constitutionality of such a move."
If such a move were allowed, the federal government could keep borrowing indiscriminately, which would eventually lead to all sorts of financial troubles.
"No matter what the merits of the debate are, Biden officials fear that investors would demand much higher interest rates to buy government debt that the courts could throw out, since prospects for repayment would be unclear," writes Jeff Stein at The Washington Post:
That could lead federal borrowing costs to spike, as well as drive up rates for other loans, and it could still lead to the same broader panic in financial markets that it is intended to avoid.
"You have to worry about the interest rates, the market reaction, the effect on financial markets that rely on Treasurys. There's no way to avoid potentially significant economic damage given the debate that would ensue," said David Kamin, who served as deputy director of the White House National Economic Council earlier in the Biden administration.
FREE MINDS
Kansas voting restrictions ruled unconstitutional. A federal court has rejected some voting restrictions Kansas Republicans passed in 2021. The U.S. District Court for the District of Kansas held that rules violated the First Amendment.
The Voter Participation Center and VoteAmerica "challenged the law's ban on any person or organization soliciting a registered voter by mail and the law's prohibition on sending by mail an application for an advance mail ballot that was personalized with the voter's name and address," reports the Kansas Reflector. "Under the law, it would have been illegal to mail an advance mail ballot application personalized with a voter's name and address even if the voter provided that information and requested the application."
District Judge Kathryn Vratil wrote in her decision that the ban on sending out personalized ballot applications restricted "core political speech and association" and that the law—which made it a misdemeanor to go against it—could criminalize "a substantial amount of protected speech."
FREE MARKETS
Newton Minow has died. Minow, who ran the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in the early 1960s, was best known for a speech he gave to the National Association of Broadcasters in May 1961.
"The address lasted almost 40 minutes and was more than 5,000 words long," Reason's Peter Suderman wrote in 2014, "but in the days and decades that followed it was remembered almost exclusively for just two words: 'vast wasteland'":
That was Minow's sour description of the burgeoning world of television. The speech was delivered from his perch as the nation's top broadcast regulator, yet it was framed in more personal terms. "I am the chairman of the FCC," Minow said. "But I am also a television viewer," one who has seen "a great many television programs that seemed to me eminently worthwhile." He had no complaint with those shows, the ones he liked to watch. His objection was to the rest of the TV lineup. It was pulpy, profane, populist, and crude, and he wanted it to change.
Minow wasn't acting as broadcast bureaucrat so much as he was playing amateur TV critic. His complaint was the same complaint made by so many grumbling channel surfers: There's nothing on.
But the difference between his critique and most armchair TV criticism was that Minow's was backed by the explicit threat of enforcement. To the broadcasting professionals assembled, he said, "I understand that many people feel that in the past licenses were often renewed pro forma, I say to you now: Renewal will not be pro forma in the future. There is nothing permanent or sacred about a broadcast license." Television was a public good, and broadcasters owed the public for the airwaves they controlled. "I intend to see that your debt is paid with service."
The warning was as subtle as a gun to the head, although Minow probably would have objected to that metaphor. The speech, which had a huge and immediate impact on broadcasters and the public, ranks as one of the highest profile exercises of censorious paternalism in modern history—and also, in its central argument, one of the most blatantly wrong.
It was the deregulation of television programming, not threats from central planners, that eventually ushered in a golden era of American TV. "Over the past two decades, as TV has increasingly slipped the bit of government regulation from its mouth, programming has dramatically improved," Glenn Garvin wrote in 2014. "Critics and television historians have arrived at a consensus that the Golden Age of television was not the 1950s but right now, and that it was ushered in by HBO, which shattered the TV programming mold with The Sopranos." And the reason HBO was able to do this is because "a premium-cable network beholden neither to the Federal Communications Commission nor to advertisers was more free to unleash flying lead and billowing bosoms than its broadcast rivals."
QUICK HITS
• At least eight people, including some children, were killed by a shooter at an Allen, Texas, outlet mall on Saturday. The Texas Department of Public Safety said yesterday that the shooter—who was killed by a police officer—was 33-year-old Mauricio Garcia of Dallas and that his motivation for the shooting is still unknown.
• Another eight people were killed in an act of violence in Brownsville, Texas, on Sunday, after someone drove an SUV into a crowd of people waiting at a bus stop outside a migrant shelter. At least 10 additional people were injured. "Brownsville police investigator Martin Sandoval, who confirmed the latest death Sunday evening, said police did not know whether the collision was intentional," the Associated Press reports.
• Meet the Republican lawmakers breaking from their party to vote down state abortion bans.
• The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) warns that a new bill before Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis—Senate Bill 266—"doubles down on the Stop WOKE Act, which unconstitutionally bans ideas a majority of Florida lawmakers disfavor from college classrooms, despite the fact that FIRE, the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, and the American Civil Liberties Union secured a preliminary injunction from a federal court last November blocking Florida's public universities from enforcing the law."
• Academics are protesting "unethical" scientific journal fees.
• "It's been a tough start to 2023 for moderates hoping for a return to normalcy in our politics," writes Josh Kraushaar at Axios.
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Can the president declare the debt ceiling unconstitutional?
Well look who found use for the Constitution.
Imagine if trump had floated this idea.
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Does anyone else remember when the Supreme Court decided what was constitutional?
Or is that a conspiracy now?
Maybe they just mean 'declare' as in 'say out loud'.
Joe "Foghorn Leghorn" Biden: "Why, ah do dee-klaya! That's un- I say, unConstee-too-shun-al!"
Janet "Beaky Buzzard" Yellen: "A-yup! Wull, dull, duh! If'n he says so I reckon. Hull, dull, a-yup."
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Doesn't seem like a realistic option for the Democrats, considering the conservative-leaning Supreme Court is unlikely to look upon such a declaration with favor.
On a related note, it's worth noting there was much talk, very similar to this talk, about how Biden would stack the Court -- but it never happened.
[Necessary disclaimer because of all the dishonest commenters here just waiting to pounce on anything positive I might say about the Democrats: Yes, I just gave Biden a bit of credit where credit was due. That is not an endorsement of Biden or the Democratic Party. They are generally awful. Also, who knows, he might still try to stack the Court some time in the future.]
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
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I will need a cite.
He did say: “I never learn.”
He literally fulfilled the narrative about himself retard. Lol. Blaming conservatives on the court.
Biden warrants no credit. Two Dems said no. That is why it died.
And if he even TRIES it, the House should view this as an act of war by him and pass nothing from then on. The Senate Republicans should do the same and kill all bills.
Make him bleed for it.
Biden warrants no credit. Two Dems said no. That is why it died.
If so, that makes me feel better, since I don't need to give Biden credit.
Are you referring to the Edward Markey-sponsored bill, or something else? Because the Markey bill still seems to be alive:
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-expansion-elizabeth-warren-70b005e63698ca3c38ccbb5f717e36b4
So you admit democrats are still threatening court packing but because they haven't been successful it is no big deal? What was your bank robber analogy from the other thread again?
That bastard will never admit anything.
Oh. It is the conservative justices that make this bad. Not the fact congress determines spending.
Good work Mike. You even snuck in court packing there. Not a leftist at all.
Don’t forget the victim status.
Wouldn’t the 14th then make California’s reparations part not valid either?
The problem they will run into with this idea is that per Article 1 Section 8, only Congress has the power to borrow money against the credit of the United States. The debt clause in 14A does not change that.
If 14A makes the debt ceiling law unconstitutional, the treasury's borrowing authority drops to zero.
They fundamentally misconstrue the debt limit. It's not a law constraining the federal government's power to borrow. It's Congress authorizing borrowing up to a given limit without requiring each specific bond issue to be separately authorized, as was the former practice.
The federal government can't borrow without Congressional authorization, period, constitutionally. The federal government can't not make debt payments, period, constitutionally.
The Constitution doesn't mandate that they run a deficit, though...
Anyway, the reason no previous administration took this position is because it's batshit crazy, and everybody knows it.
the 14th Amendment. It says "the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."
I don't see how they use teh 14th without an insurrection or rebellion or will they declare all these white supremisit mass shooting mexicans a rebellion
In April, House Republicans passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling—which already stands at $31.4 trillion—in exchange for freezing spending at 2022 levels for a while and rolling back some Democratic initiatives.
Why can't Republicans do stuff like that WHEN THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE FUCKING POWER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN?
Big Government and record deficits are good when Republicans control the levers of government.
It is why I vote for gridlock.
You're funny when you lie like that.
Buttplug gridlock means voting straight Democratic Party ticket from the presidency on down to the local school board and police commissioner.
Dems are inept and always teetering on the brink of annihilation.
See 2024. They have to defend 24 Senate seats including Manchin and Tester. They have ZERO pickup chances. Repubs should gain 7-8 Senate seats and hold the House.
We're looking at another GOP Big Gov spending spree in 2024-2026 unless Fatass pulls the party down again.
I'd rather have Trump than any of the other Republican contenders. At least he won't start any new wars.
Later, sarc will claim his account was “hacked”.
Nah. He will claim he was never irrationally anti trump. Just ignore the last 7 years.
Trump is the only candidate that Biden has a chance of beating. He can probably even get away with refusing to debate Trump by calling him a liar. Biden really can't afford to get up on a stage with any healthy younger candidate. Sarcasmic does not take a side, but strangely he desires the same things as one particular side.
What exactly is it that I desire?
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I’d rather have Trump than any of the other Republican contenders.
Trump v. Biden - Round 2
Saying I'd rather have Trump is like choosing a crunchy three-day-old-shit over fresh piles attracting flies. Desire has nothing to do with it. Though Round 2 would be entertaining to watch. Still not enough to get me to reregister to vote.
Plus looks like Maine is reliably Democrat, anyway, so your vote isn’t going to matter.
Maine actually splits its electoral votes. The southern part, where I live, is cobalt blue. The northern part can go either way.
Oh, interesting. I wish all states would do that.
Maine and Nebraska.
Trump cultist.
Burn him!
Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"Buttplug gridlock" sounds like the sort of thing that requires a visit to the ER.
I’m not looking that up!
Good call, I didn't google that either.
It's what turd does; turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
The most likely outcome is 2014 redux; sequestration of some form.
At what point did they have full control? Trump ordered all federal departments to cut 10% but he is also bound by the impoundment act.
Your lack of intelligence continues to show.
Why can’t Republicans do stuff like that WHEN THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE FUCKING POWER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN?
If they hold the line, they actually do have the power, with the dreaded "default" to hold over Joey Sponge-brain Shits-pants head.
If the debt really was suchn a bad thing, would it not be the top story in the media.
"Under the law, it would have been illegal to mail an advance mail ballot application personalized with a voter's name and address even if the voter provided that information and requested the application."
Repugs better get on board with ballot harvesting if they ever want to win another meaningful election.
Pugs are cute. Don't tarnish the breed by comparing them to politicians.
With their breathing issues at least pugs have an expiration date.
They're funny when they spin around in circles when they get excited. Like the trolls do when they think I actually read their posts.
Ideas! So many ideas!
Careful, sarc might float the idea you are retarded.
That would be like saying water is wet.
Sarc peeked again.
Owning the Cons!
Um, no. That would require recognizing and replying to the tards.
You and Mike are replying to each other just above.
More like tongue bathing each other.
Need some mind bleach after that image.
Alcohol on sarcs tongue will kill the germs.
But it's telling they 'won't rule it out'. As if they know already but are holding off for political advantage. If it's unconstitutional their duty is to point that out.
It is amazing how such an obviously flawed and insecure practice has become accepted as normal procedure, seemingly without much public debate about it, and in fact much disdain directed toward debating it.
"Repugs better get on board with ballot harvesting if they ever want to win another meaningful election."
Except even if they do, they still can't win.
Ds control all the large, concentrated population centers. They run the counting. That's how Biden can win something like 20-25% of US counties, vs Trump winning 75-80%, and still come up with enough ballots to steal the states he needed.
Their opposition in rural counties will to need to report 200% voter turnout with 90+% going for the R candidate to even start being competitive on sheer numbers. And what kind of reaction do you think that would get? Would see the exact opposite of how "the most extensive and inclusive vote fraud team in US history" was covered. The full force of the state, with compliant courts, would come down on those poll workers while the media cheers it on and stalks their relatives.
Then the Ds would simply start doing it to a higher degree. Philadelphia will report 12 million votes for the D candidate. Same in Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Phoenix, etc.
Letting 2020 stand was the death blow to the republic.
So, volunteer as staff? Insist on being there? Vigilante videotape the outside of the buildings the whole damned time?
I dunno, I'm just spitballing here. We've got what, 20 months?
The Texas Department of Public Safety said yesterday that the shooter—who was killed by a police officer—was 33-year-old Mauricio Garcia-
Stop right there.
Just another brown man killed by the po-po.
That makes like a million so far this year, right?
Closer to a billion, I think...
I think that's right. We've all died about three timed, I'm sure of it.
So this Hispanic man went into a majority white neighborhood and shot and killed mainly white people thus proving he was a white supremacist? He also did this at a shopping center that had a "no-guns" policy thereby proving that if we outlaw guns then there will be no more shootings? The critical-thinking skills (or lack thereof) of those on the left is simply amazing!
"the shooter—who was killed by a police officer—was 33-year-old Mauricio Garcia of Dallas and that his motivation for the shooting is still unknown."
But they've already decided that he's a Neo-Nazi.
It's been two days. If we don't know the motivation, I'm assuming it's because it doesn't match the chosen narrative.
I’m guessing it is just the working style of the Allen, Texas police department.
Why are we acting like we don’t already know a lot about the shooter, anyway:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-mall-shooter-shared-extremist-beliefs-jews-women-apparent-social-rcna83336
There are indications of mental health problems and extreme right-wing beliefs. Is the mental health part, especially, surprising to anyone?
Eh - I always assume the mental health part. Anytime I read 'motivation unknown' after 24 hours have gone by I also assume someone is hiding something.
Or the first version of the "discovered" back story did not poll well with test audiences.
Be specific on those right wing beliefs. Because outside of an assumed patch, there is a lot of maybe and no actual evidence. Even the patch is just declared right wing, have yet to see any evidence of it being so.
Really? I’ve seen it noted in several stories he had a militant right-wing patch on his clothing. I guess that is the media “deciding” he is a neo-Nazi, although it seems to be a stronger indication that he himself decided he is a neo-Nazi.
And in those stories what is the evidence aside from bald declarations of such?
The dude reportedly had a swastika tattoo. Look at the link I just posted.
A lot of narrative as truth for you Mikey. Don't you always claim you wait for all the evidence?
That, in of and by itself does not indicate the guy was a white supremacist. He could be from a Native tribe, from India, or just an antisemitic asshole. Maybe he's just an asshole who thinks it's "cool". Without proper context, it's tough to tell, unless you're pushing a narrative.
The reporter from NBC is the same one who claimed right wing racist forums were livid about Tucker being fired.
The picture she offered up doesn’t match up woth neck tattoos from photos of the shooter.
One of her cites was 4chan.
> One of her cites was 4chan.
Well, how could you possibly doubt her bona fides, then?
Another eight people were killed in an act of violence in Brownsville, Texas, on Sunday, after someone drove an SUV into a crowd of people waiting at a bus stop outside a migrant shelter.
We must wait to see if corporate journalism decides that the vehicle had a driver or not.
OMG ! Another red suv on the loose?
Even worse, an SUV of color (I belive it was black).
It was a late model Range Rover, just the kind of bubba truck that MAGA types prefer. (But actually silver)
It was an illegal alien.
Don't think it was intentional. Probably drunk.
There was an illegal alien Mexican that shot up a family of illegal alien Hondurans but we don't talk about that anymore.
Fox News, which is a corporation, says the car had a driver:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dead-injured-after-driver-plows-into-crowd-near-migrant-shelter-brownsville-texas
Snark most certainly escapes you, Laursen.
He tries to be intentionally retarded.
Purposeful obtuseness.
Fox News, which is a corporation..
WTF?
Woah, so does CNN!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/08/us/brownsville-texas-car-crash-monday/index.html
Is CNN a corporation too?
Those Mexican Nazis are the scariest.
But... was it still as bad as Chicago?
"Biden, Yellen Won't Rule Out Declaring Debt Ceiling Unconstitutional"
That's . . . that's not how our government works.
Wanna bet?
You better watch it or you'll be made unconstitutional too!
A 21st century badge of honor.
Meet the Republican lawmakers breaking from their party to vote down state abortion bans.
I believe rhinos have already been discovered.
This is Dobbs playing out, writ large. The sky did not fall, and the world did not end, post Dobbs. The states are sorting out what they want to live with. I thought that is how the Founders told us to work it out. 🙂
Nuh uh. Unless I can get an abortion through the 4th trimester at no cost and regardless of my uterus status, then we are living in a literal Hand Maid Nazi plantation, which is what the Founders really wanted.
They owned slaves, bruh. Ipso facto, all of their ideas are bad.
Republicans can't be pro-choice?
@Paul Diane,
Thought of you when watching this:
https://rumble.com/v2drmmo-lindsay.html
TL;DW: Breakdown of the ways in which education is being hijacked by the Global Activists.
Academics are protesting "unethical" scientific journal fees.
They should seize the means of production.
In this analogy that would be means of distribution.
They should just start their own scientific journal fees.
Funny, they are not protesting scientific journal religious dogma requirements.
"At least eight people, including some children, were killed by a shooter... The Texas Department of Public Safety said yesterday that the shooter... was 33-year-old Mauricio Garcia of Dallas"
Buttplug and White Mike insisted that the dusky Latino gang member was actually a White Supremacist and possible MAGA communist in yesterday's thread.
News sources said: Right Wing Death Squad, Neo-Nazi, white supremacist.
https://www.wionews.com/world/who-was-mauricio-garcia-the-texas-shooting-suspect-with-neo-nazi-and-white-supremacist-beliefs-590109
Yeah, he is definitely one of your ilk.
They're desperate to change the narrative to the one they want, not the one that is.
What does RWDS stand for? Well, for starters, a lot of different things. https://www.abbreviations.com/RWDS
I think Buttplug is making a point. Albeit not an intended one. If they can relate it to white supremacy, the identity will be front and center and the media will be vocal.
And those are just the English-language acronym matches.
This isn't the first time Buttplug and the media have tried to sell us the nonwhite, brown-skinned, white supremacist angle.
Also, what Right Wing Death Squad is operating in America that you can just join, Pluggo? Are you sure that you guys aren't just making up scary words to frighten wine moms?
Nothing is worse than a POC who gets uppity, right? And any sins he commits can be blamed on centuries of white oppression.
l know that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Those Mexican Nazis who shoot white people are the worst.
yes a white supremacist mexican shot up a mall full of white people. Makes perfect sense.
Probably because those Neo-Confederates would not let Paco join in at the next Klan meeting.
"Indeed, nothing more Right Wing Death Squad, Neo-Nazi, white supremacist-y than a Mexican shooting Crackers." - t. Buttplug
I just want to see any actual evidence that that patch even exists prior to this story.
The fight against the green elites in the Netherlands is far from over.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/08/the-dutch-farmers-revolt-is-far-from-over/
Under the European Green Deal of 2020, the EU plans to be climate neutral by 2050. As part of this, under the European Climate Law of 2021, the EU wants to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions by a minimum of 55 per cent by 2030.
This has exerted a considerable amount of pressure on the Dutch government in particular. In turn, the government is now exerting pressure on farmers. That’s because Dutch farms have been blamed for the Netherlands’ high levels of greenhouse-gas emissions, especially nitrogen emissions, caused by fertilisers and cattle excrement. And so in 2022, the Dutch government put forward a set of agricultural reforms in order to meet the EU’s targets.
The response to this latest proposal to buy-out some farmers has varied. Dutch media have largely reacted positively. They accept the narrative that the Netherlands is in the grip of a ‘nitrogen emergency’. Like the government, they largely blame the farmers for this. They see the buy-out offer as a viable solution.
Farmers and their supporters, however, are deeply suspicious of the offer. They claim that farmers are being backed into an unenviable corner. Many farmers will struggle to survive if they reduce their yields in order to meet the EU’s emissions target. They feel that the government is not really offering a choice at all. They feel they either have to accept the buy-out or face ruin.
Moreover, farmers that accept the buy-out offer will not be allowed to start similar operations in the Netherlands or any other EU country again. It is easy, therefore, to see why many farmers see all this as an attack on their way of life.
There may be some farmers who are resigned to their fate. But many remain determined to fight on. The Dutch farmers’ revolt is far from over.
Their wooden shoes are environmentally friendly.
Cutting down trees is good for the environment.
/sarcasmic
"The response to this latest proposal to buy-out some farmers has varied. Dutch media have largely reacted positively. They accept the narrative that the Netherlands is in the grip of a ‘nitrogen emergency’."
Wait until they find out how much of it is in the air. Maybe they can try removing it from the atmosphere.
Anyway, the psychopaths in the EU are insisting that the farmers who take the very modest buy-out, quit farming forever.
No going to another country and farming there and you're forbidden from teaching or sharing your knowledge.
If some sort of alien or devil wanted to destroy the human race he wouldn't do things any differently from a "green" politician.
They would probably do it faster. This slow motion tyranny is exhausting. Just get to the gas chambers already so we can fight back and rid ourselves of these preening asshats.
The lefties have learned from the Soviets and Nazis. Boil the frogs slow so they don't fight back.
The 'forced buyout' part is what concerns me. That is a recipe for violence.
No going to another country and farming there and you’re forbidden from teaching or sharing your knowledge.
Bringing back the dark ages is cool now!
The Church always knows best.
Farmers who kept them alive during the pandemic.
I honestly have no idea short of executions how to deal with evil retards in power like that. "Stop growing food and stop having electricity and stop being able to travel".
Do you want a violent reactionary backlash? Because this is how you get one. Are the people in charge *intentionally* setting their countries up to be eaten by China? Or are they just too stupid to understand what the consequences are going to be?
Yes, yes, and yes.
Oh, and they think when Pooh Bear takes over their country they’ll be part of the Politurbo (or whatever the Chinese equivalent is called).
"Under the European Green Deal of 2020, the EU plans to be climate neutral by 2050."
WTF is climate neutral? Does that mean you don't care if it rains or not?
It means you are no longer going forward.
Do you know why Kamala Harris has low approval ratings? It's all the GOP's fault! 🙁
Democrats want to fix Kamala Harris' image problem. Some VP allies fear it’s too late.
"Republican attacks on Vice President Kamala Harris are taking hold, and the White House is running out of time to reframe the narrative, Democrats say."
Funniest bit: "[Clyburn] tied the attacks that are meant to discredit Harris to the period after the Civil War, known as the Reconstruction era, and said discrimination against Black office holders and anti-democratic events such as the Jan 6. insurrection will continue if they are left unchecked."
Slavery! Racism! Reconstruction! January 6! Russian hacking! GamerGate! Jussie Smollett!
Democrats would rather spam a bunch of cliches to avoid considering the simplest explanation: Kamala Harris is a below average politician, her 2020 campaign demonstrates this, and she's only VP because Biden limited his search to black women.
She is horrible. She has no fight in her. She doesn't exhibit any grasp of the issues. And Joe is aging monthly.
Dems only hope is Fatass Donnie winning the GOP nomination (like you have said dozens of times).
Who does Soros want?
She's obviously subpar.
Then again a stroke victim who has trouble comprehending a basic spoken sentence is also a subpar candidate. Flawed candidates can still win.
I'm not ready to declare KH totally unelectable (outside California) yet. If she gets the nomination and mainstream sources are admitting she's more hated than Clinton I reserve the right to change my mind.
#WaitAndSee
Cogent analysis, OBL.
Except the part about voters and their sentiment having any bearing on whether or not someone is electable
What is "voters"?
those guys with the thumb drives
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You need to present that comment as a Venn diagram.
For Kamala?
Don't forget that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
if only there was someone holding a more powerful office above her she could get him to appoint her to something in exchange for sexual favors.
““Republican attacks on Vice President Kamala Harris are taking hold, and the White House is running out of time to reframe the narrative, Democrats say.””
It’s telling that they aren’t trying to refute what is being said and are instead focusing on spin, or in the Clyburn case, retreating back to calling people racists.
These days, being called a racist just means you are doing something right.
Wait, Harris is black?
Sure. Democrats have always adhered to the one-drop rule.
Anyone tell Clyburne that it was the Republicans who helped blacks get elected during reconstruction and fought Jim Crow laws from their first inception, including the modern day version, gun control (almost every gun control law was conceived during the Jim Crow days and they openly stated the laws were meant to keep blacks, immigrants, poor people and other minorities from owning guns, this is well documented if you bother to seek out that information).
Also, pretty sure it's white progressives who are pushing for resegregation and with the original segregation, selling it by saying their being altruistic towards minorities. Look up the history of Jim Crow, hell, even the Democrats defense of slavery. It was often framed as being good for blacks.
Not to mention white progressives who created "family planning" since those undesirable poor POCs could not plan for themselves.
the U.S. could have to start defaulting on some payments as soon as June.
I can't remember a single other debt limit fight Reason so vociferously pushed this lie.
Revenue is greater than payments on the debt. The 14th requires debt to be paid first. Which means a limitation on non debt spending. And as Reason used to understand, this is just a stopping of non essential programs.
What has changed since the last shut down to cause reason to continue to push this lie?
What has changed since the last shut down to cause reason to continue to push this lie?
Biden is in trouble.
No Bad Orange Man in the White House?
i'm guessing cocktail parties
Too many student loans held by Reason staff?
Reason ceased being libertarian?
Thank you for posting this. It is astounding how many people, especially so-called libertarian Reason
writerseditors, cannot grasp such a simple concept.I feel like I've had to post it a half dozen times this year. Reason continues to push it.
It's not just that framing, but also the whole idea that the Republicans are causing this, by not caving in to all of the Democrats' spending wish list, is being parroted, verbatim, by what seems like the entire media. It's absurd.
The Republicans are simply trying to do the one thing that we all agree they suck at - reining in spending - and not by much, either. They're talking about bringing spending back to 2019 levels, prior to the pandemic craziness, and the Democrats are having a tantrum.
They’re talking about bringing spending back to 2019 levels, prior to the pandemic craziness, and the Democrats are having a tantrum.
Democrats know how much inflation they've caused...
They do this every. Fucking. Time.
You can guarantee that “Mr. I’m a classical liberal” will be here daily, excoriating the Republicans if there is a shutdown. Hell, even if it just leads to some kind of sequestration.
District Judge Kathryn Vratil wrote in her decision that the ban on sending out personalized ballot applications restricted "core political speech and association" and that the law—which made it a misdemeanor to go against it—could criminalize "a substantial amount of protected speech."
We have seen federal courts uphold election rules passed by a legislature multiple times this year. A liberal judge always stops then to be overturned a level up.
The Biden administration is talking about the 14th amendment not because they think it'll work, they want it to get in front of the SCOTUS to then be used as a club to further the rhetoric to delegitimize the court.
Time to spill the beans.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/07/hunter-bidens-ex-business-partner-devon-archer-urged-to-spill-dirt/
As Hunter Biden faces a potential criminal indictment this week, his former best friend Devon Archer will make his last bid to avoid jail Tuesday when his appeal is heard in a courtroom in Lower Manhattan.
As he grows increasingly despondent, friends with knowledge of Hunter’s thinking are telling Archer to accept that the Bidens have thrown him under the bus and that a last-minute presidential pardon has been ruled out.
Archer, a former Abercrombie & Fitch model, the son of a teacher and a Vietnam veteran from Long Island, won a lacrosse scholarship to Yale. There he befriended John Kerry’s stepson Chris Heinz, who introduced him to Hunter, with whom he launched an investment firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners.
Four years later, Archer’s association with the sons of privilege landed him a one-year, one-month sentence and a $43 million restitution bill over the bonds fraud that he says he did not know was being committed by his co-accused.
In 2019, after Archer complained to Hunter about his legal woes, Hunter assured him he would not be abandoned by the Biden family.
But any presidential pardon forthcoming from the White House is likely to be applied only to Hunter, potentially in the lame-duck period of Joe’s presidency, by which point it will be too late for Archer.
"a $43 million restitution bill over the bonds fraud"
Buttplug calls these "penis pictures".
"Archer, a former Abercrombie & Fitch model, the son of a teacher and a Vietnam veteran from Long Island, won a lacrosse scholarship to Yale. There he befriended John Kerry’s stepson Chris Heinz, who introduced him to Hunter, with whom he launched an investment firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners."
So, just regular working class people. Like Scranton Joe.
Archer, a former Abercrombie & Fitch model, the son of a teacher and a Vietnam veteran from Long Island, won a lacrosse scholarship to Yale.
Are we talking about Sterling Archer?
Liarson Maneuver:
"won a lacrosse scholarship to Yale."
Excuse me, Yale- as an Ivy League- does not offer Athletic Schollarships. Er go, vis a vis, this entire article is lies.
Liarson will never see it (or claim to see it) as he claims to have me muted.
It's still early, but...
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-desantis-beat-biden-abcwapo-poll-joes-approval-hits-record-low
A new ABC News/Washington Post poll has thrown a big splash of cold water on President Biden's nascent re-election bid -- showing him losing in match-ups with either Donald Trump or Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.
That's not all: Biden's approval rating took a 6-point dive from its February level to reach an all-time low of just 36%. Against data going all the way back to Truman, that's the worst score for any first-term president at this point in his term. Three predecessors who were in same ballpark -- Ford (40%), Carter (37%) and Trump (39%) -- failed to win second terms.
The Biden administration's over-the-top emphasis on race in all manner of political nominations and appointments hasn't done a thing to improve his standing with blacks. In the most jarring of the new poll's results, Biden's approval rating among blacks has fallen a staggering 30% from his inauguration -- plummeting from 82% to 52%.
A hefty 56% disapprove of what Biden's done in office, and his perceived handling of the economy is a big reason why. In a 54%-to-36% rout, Trump is perceived as having done a better job with the economy. The economy ball-and-chain will only grow heavier for Biden as we move farther into the dark seas ahead.
It isn't just age that worries Americans -- it's also Biden's observed condition. Only 32% think he has the mental acuity to be an effective president. Trump's score on having requisite sharpness has actually risen -- to 54% today from 46% in 2020. On physical fitness, only 33% give Biden a thumbs-up. Trump almost doubles him up, with 64% saying he's sufficiently fit.
But the WaPo always peddles MAGA lies.
I'm surprised turd hasn't cherry-picked that article and attempted to make it positive; after all, he never really reads what he links and he is a liar.
It's on Zerohedge. Turd tends to disparage Zerohedge. Therefore, given that Turd lies, Zerohedge must be somewhat decent.
"If Democrats and Republicans don't reach a resolution on raising the government's borrowing limit, the U.S. could have to start defaulting on some payments as soon as June."
No it does not.
The feds hold title to all kinds of assets, including 640 million acres of land. How many creditors would be happy to accept title for some choice acreage in lieu of cash payments?
The collective value of all federal land is $1.8T. That wouldn't even fund the federal government for six months.
So tax revenues stop coming in when the debt limit is reached too?
The thing about sarc is he doesn't know much.
Yeah, but he makes up for it by being dishonest besides.
The problem is the same in substance as leftists saying that the billionaires should be taxed at 90%–you can basically do that one time, but you won’t have anything left after that to bring in revenue.
Jackson paid down the national debt by selling public lands, but that was a different time, with far fewer federal spending obligations, a smaller population, more available land, and during a period when most federal revenue was provided via tariffs. $1.8 trillion won’t even cover Medicare and Medicaid costs.
At this point the only way to balance the budget would be to freeze it for ten years and let inflation do the rest. Which will never happen.
Hey an accurate post. Something your enemies have been saying here for years. Yet reason claimed Vivek was wrong for proposing that. Weird.
https://reason.com/video/2023/05/05/vivek-ramaswamy-is-wrong-about-the-national-debt/
Sarc was “hacked” again.
Balancing the budget would require being honest about actual revenue-to-GDP ratios and crafting a budget to fit that ratio. Those revenues since the end of World War II have averaged about 17.5% in a very narrow range, and only exceeded 19% six times in the same span–one of them being last year, specifically due to inflation.
Our national debt would be far smaller if Congress had mandated that spending should never exceed 19% of revenue-to-GDP, save for a literal Congressional declaration of war (not AUMFs to weasel around that). A Balanced Budget Act with these parameters might have actually gotten some traction in the late 90s as something Clinton would have been amenable to, as opposed to a Balanced Budget Amendment like the Gingrich GOP wanted, as the dotcom economy was taking off.
Who will Americans elect, a politician who says "We can't do that for you because we can't afford it" or a politician who says "We'll give you whatever you want"?
Like Mencken said, democracy is the people getting what they want, good and hard.
That's why I think not doing a simple law, as opposed to an amendment process, was a major missed opportunity from that time period. There were some real efforts after the '94 midterms to cut back on government spending and waste, and who knows if the act would have survived the dotcom bubble popping or 9/11, but at least it would have, arguably, been doable in that particular political environment.
Dibs on Area 51.
As soon as the government leaves, those aliens are going to be probing the shit out of everyone.
Bill Gates?
"President Joe Biden and his allies would prefer to raise the debt limit without conditions."
Biden and his cronies would prefer to run every aspect of US life, including all economic activity, without conditions.
That is kind of the attitude of a dictator.
'Happy Days' actor Scott Baio leaving California: 'Not a safe place anymore'
By Alexa Mae AsperinPublished May 7, 2023 2:11PM Fox News
Baio says he "prefers mass shootings in Texas" over Cali.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/24/1151184424/california-mass-shootings-latest-monterey-park-half-moon-bay
Stay out of the blue parts of any red state and you don't have to worry about it much.
Kind of amazing how that works. I'm sure all the red areas don't have any of those icky guns.
Because nobody's ever shot someone in LA.
That's just cultural expression.
Cultural knife fights as an example.
'The Voter Participation Center and VoteAmerica "challenged the law's ban on any person or organization soliciting a registered voter by mail and the law's prohibition on sending by mail an application for an advance mail ballot that was personalized with the voter's name and address," reports the Kansas Reflector. "Under the law, it would have been illegal to mail an advance mail ballot application personalized with a voter's name and address even if the voter provided that information and requested the application."'
How about just completing the ballots for people who might vote the wrong way?
It’s the only way to save democracy.
Hypothetical: some Democratic-run state makes it a misdemeanour to send any information to potential gun owners about gun ownership even if they had requested it online, or to help anyone apply for a CCW (etc.)
Would you lot blithely dismiss it? Or would you go apeshit and screaming like blue-arsed baboons?
Voting is a constitutional right, and anything which makes it more difficult for citizens to vote should be viewed with far greater scepticism than is ever shown by the right-wingers here.
Sad
"...Voting is a constitutional right, and anything which makes it more difficult for citizens to vote should be viewed with far greater scepticism than is ever shown by the right-wingers here."
SRG is an obnoxiously arrogant piece of shit, and it doesn't help that he's stupid besides.
False equivalence is about as close to honest argument as the asshole ever gets.
Are those groups filling in the forms for those applying for guns?
Difficult to vote like obtaining an ID and traveling to the polling place? Or difficult to vote like challenging magical behind-the-scenes vote generation and curation?
Jeff, is that you?
Newt Minow was a crafty rent seeker ending up on PBS’s board. Meanwhile PBS itself is pretty much a wasteland running crappy British soap operas and a-historical dramas, not to mention the scam artists that highlight their quarterly begatons.
Answer: No.
While the spending has already been authorized, and thus the debt is a means to make the spending, the debt does not exist until it exists. The 14th amendment only refers to debt that exists. But the debt does not exist, which is why the debt ceiling needs to be raised, so that authorized spending can occur.
Granted, it is a weird situation. But Biden does not have the authoritty to declare that the future debt that he wants is existing debt that must be protected by the constitution.
When has that ever stopped him from trying. Democrats think that the Constitution is something that they wipe their asses with unless they can use it to further their agenda.
Some people vote themselves a whole lot of other peoples' money:
"California task force approves sweeping reparations potentially worth billions of dollars"
[...]
"After a sometimes contentious day-long meeting Saturday, California’s reparations task force approved a sweeping set of recommendations — including potentially hundreds of billions of dollars in monetary reparations — for repair and restitution for harms experienced by African Americans as a result of slavery and the state’s subsequent policies and practices...."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/california-reparations-task-force-finalizes-sweeping-reparations-potentially-worth-billions-of-dollars/ar-AA1aR4Ki
Slavery was never legal in CA, just so you know.
And the people who were held as slaves in the territory, were Native, Mestizos and Chinese. Not black.
Might be vital for the GOP to gain control of the government and insure no federal bailouts for CA for this idiocy.
And the Natives, Mestizos and Chinese will be paying the blacks. How is it no one has called for a referendum to stop the lunacy? Afraid of being called racist?
I'm still waiting for all you Homo sapiens to reparate me for wiping out my Neanderthal ancestors.
If Neanderthals are your ancestors, which I have no reason to doubt, evidently they weren't all wiped out 🙂
Uh, they’ve long since discarded the “reparations for slavery” bit, MSN.
The panel’s first vote approved a detailed account of historical discrimination against Black Californians in areas such as voting, housing, education, disproportionate policing and incarceration and others.
https://kcra.com/article/california-reparations-task-force-vote-formal-apology/43814111
They must've been referring to debts that'd been incurred at the time the 14th amendment was adopted.
He had no complaint with those shows, the ones he liked to watch. His objection was to the rest of the TV lineup. It was pulpy, profane, populist, and crude, and he wanted it to change.
Which raises the question of which TV shows Minow liked:
"Minow admitted to being a television junkie, saying he mostly watched sports and news with a special affinity for CBS's 'Sunday Morning' show and PBS's 'NewsHour.' His favorite scripted shows included 'The Mary Tyler Moore Show' from the 1970s and more recent fare such as 'Downton Abbey' and 'Mad Men.'"
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/former-fcc-chair-newton-minow-who-called-1960s-tv-vast-wasteland-dies-97-2023-05-07/#:~:text=Minow%20admitted%20to%20being%20a,%22%20and%20%22Mad%20Men.%22
If there's any cosmic irony left, Newt Minow will wash up on the shore of some deserted island.
That was the funniest thing anyone here has said in quite a while.
Said the guy with no sense of humor.
Minnow's greatest accomplishment was his named painted on the back of a boat.
Which raises another question: Which sports teams did Minow like?
I can't find any answers to that one.
Nobody cares.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12057927/Colorado-mom-discovers-SNAKES-slithering-inside-walls-home-worked-life-buy.html
Colorado mom discovers SNAKES slithering inside the walls of her first home she worked her whole life to buy - and is now too petrified to move in after forking over $1,000 trying to get rid of them
Lady is scared of hibernating garter snakes.
Yep, she definitely bought a house built on an old Indian burial ground.
I was thinking the snakes would be a heck of a lot better than whatever they are eating.
The main issue here is whether the seller knew about the infestation and failed to disclose. When we sold our house a few years ago, we'd been hit by termites a few months earlier, and while we luckily caught them in time before they did any real damage, we still had to disclose it.
If the seller didn't actually know, and that's likely if they didn't have a dog who probably would have detected the snakes, then they can't be held liable for not disclosing. At the same time, a good home inspector should also know to look for stuff like this, but a lot of realtors use cut-rate guys or mutual acquaintances who don't really know what they're doing, and end up signing off on homes that actually have quite a bit of issues.
The real lesson here is that everyone should live in a high rise apartment downtown, not own a car and walk everywhere.
I realize that. I'm just wondering why it's a big deal. Unless they die in the walls and stink up the place.
That, plus their waste products can be a health hazard as well. You wouldn't treat something like this any different than you'd treat a mice or cockroach infestation.
It's the Daily Fail, so it's the unusual creature involved that caught their attention, plus while I do think the woman is being overdramatic (quelle surprise) about moving into the house, she does have room to complain here. The seller's real estate agent is probably going AWOL because they don't want to get sued.
When my mother was a little girl, she lived for a brief time in a sod house on the Nebraska prairie. She said that on at least one occasion a rattlesnake burroughed through the walls.
Every once in a while, someone would ask my mom if she was nostalgic for those days, and she would alway reply something like, "Hell, no!"
Who is Mauricio Garcia?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dallas-mall-shooter-who-mauricio-garcia
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott told Dallas' WFAA that Mauricio Garcia served in the U.S. Army but was removed because of mental health concerns.
The suspect's brother, Christian Garcia, whose address is listed as that of Mauricio’s per records obtained, has several criminal records, including burglary of habitation and public intoxication.
A law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity told The Associated Press that federal officials are looking into whether Mauricio Garcia was motivated by white supremacist or neo-Nazi ideologies, but did not elaborate. The federal official cautioned that the investigation is still in its early stages.
In other words, we'll see a lot from the typical suspects..er..media sources, but it probably won't pan out and we'll see it memory-holed.
The source reportedly added that federal agents have interviewed family members and associates of Garcia to ask about his ideological beliefs.
The agents were reportedly speaking with family inside the home, according to KHOU. A translator was reportedly requested by the family.
A white supremacist with a translator? Most of those guys tend to be English-only folks.
Neighbors also told WFAA that he could often be seen going to and from the house in an outfit that suggested a security role. Despite the regular sightings, neighbors added that both the man and his gray Dodge Charger had frequently been missing in recent weeks.
A "security role"?
Neighbors also told KHOU they didn't recall any sort of police activity or problems at the house. They noted he was very quiet but did notice certain unusual and quiet behaviors.
I'd like to know what these unusual behaviors were.
Cross burning?
"The suspect’s brother, Christian Garcia, whose address is listed as that of Mauricio’s per records obtained, has several criminal records, including burglary of habitation and public intoxication."
You know who is is famous for stealing sleeping space and getting wasted?
Don't we have a couple of commenters here who do that?
"You know who is is famous for stealing sleeping space and getting wasted?"
I can guess.
sarcasmic
January.17.2022 at 10:11 am
I was homeless for a half a year.
sarcasmic
January.22.2022 at 9:05 am
Nothing says liberty like sucking down a scorpion bowl or two while driving home from getting takeout.
"A white supremacist with a translator?"
The Klan was notorious for it's Hispanic inclusion.
White hispanic.
Haven't you heard? Hispanics, but not the migrant type, and Asians are the new oppressors.
And here I thought the Klan hated Catholics.
“A law enforcement official…the federal officer”
And
“Speaking on condition of anonymity”
Should be giant red flags to anyone in 2023 that they are probably being gaslit by either the government, the media, or both.
WOE IS HUNTER!!
Biden defends son Hunter ahead of possible federal tax, gun charges
..
Federal prosecutors are weighing whether to charge Hunter Biden with two misdemeanor counts for failure to file taxes, a single felony count of tax evasion related to a business expense for one year of taxes, and the gun charge, also a potential felony. Hunter Biden has said he has since reconciled delinquent tax filings.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-defends-son-hunter-ahead-possible-federal-tax-gun-charges-rcna83154
Everybody knows that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Penis pictures weren't working so Plug has to move on to "merely tax evasion".
Didn't his ilk want Trump jailed for life for tax fraud. I remember some dude named Madow pushing narrative that every night for years.
Keep it up and you might get a signed dick pic after all.
Oakland teachers really would rather remain on strike:
"What are 'common good' demands? The reason behind deadlock in Oakland teacher strike negotiations"
[...]
"Common good proposals are often items that are not related to classroom curriculm, (sic) such as green spaces on campus, shared governance, or student homelessness..."
https://abc7news.com/oakland-teachers-strike-common-good-demands-ousd-teacher-union/13216356/
Why not just demand world peace before you go back to work?
Stay home. The kids are way better off.
If only they cared about the students as much as world affairs.
If only they would move to Venezuela.
The Venezuelans are moving to them.
""To resolve the standstill, some progressives are now pinning their hopes on the 14th Amendment. It says "the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."""
Shall not be questioned?
Now do Shall not be infringed.
Why are we publicizing shooters names?
Why are we publicizing only MAGA shooters' names?
How else can we blame white supremacy?
We probably shouldn’t, but it is the norm.
Including the weird cultural habit of often including the mass killer’s middle name. What's up with that?
White Mike Liarson. Sounds ominous
“the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”
How are they getting around the fact that debt in excess of the debt ceiling is plainly not "authorized by law?"
Shhh, pointing out that the Presidrnt from the allegedly Democratic Party wants to avoid negotiating a budget deal with the opposition party with nominal control of the democratically elected legislature is something we do not talk about.
Whatever jacks up interest rates on government debt is a good thing. Critters ain't gonna cut spending and interest is the only thing that will crowd out spending on other things.
LOL
>>Meet the Republican lawmakers breaking from their party to vote down state abortion bans.
why don't you interview them instead of linking me to a paywall?
>>unleash flying lead and billowing bosoms
Sopranos was pretty good even when they weren't at the Bing.
>>some progressives are now pinning their hopes on the 14th Amendment
14th is the smoldering piece remaining?
I don't want to consider emergency options
She's kinda giving away the game with this comment. If the debt-ceiling is unconstitutional, avoiding it isn't an "emergency option," it's just treating it as a nullity as one does with any unconstitutional law. If violating the debt ceiling is an "emergency option," that means she knows it's constitutional but they just don't give a fuck.
Not necessarily - she may think that even though that constitutional interpretation is correct (and I defer to any constitutional scholars here - if there were any) it is still controversial and politically fraught to ignore the debt ceiling.
“….. to ignore the debt ceiling.”
No one is doing that. That’s how you’d phrase it if you were trying to absolve team blue, tho.
Stupid cracker.
What a stupid comment and insult.
"Over the past two decades, as TV has increasingly slipped the bit of government regulation from its mouth, programming has dramatically improved," Glenn Garvin wrote in 2014. "Critics and television historians have arrived at a consensus that the Golden Age of television was not the 1950s but right now, and that it was ushered in by HBO, which shattered the TV programming mold with The Sopranos." And the reason HBO was able to do this is because "a premium-cable network beholden neither to the Federal Communications Commission nor to advertisers was more free to unleash flying lead and billowing bosoms than its broadcast rivals."
The irony of this blurb, especially in light of the current writer's strike, is that programming is largely shit now. You have a few exceptions like "Breaking Bad," "Mad Men," or "Cobra Kai," but overall quality's been on the decline since the last writer's strike in 2007. It really accelerated when the streaming era finally established itself during the pandemic, coupled with the Floyd riots influencing the studios to finally go all-in on wokeism, which had already established numerous beachheads after Frances McDormand made that stupid speech at the 2018 Oscars promoting "Inclusion Riders" in entertainment contracts.
Most content put out by Hollywood now basically exists for people to mock, not enjoy. Studios hire now based on ideological and racial categories, not ability (the hilarious overrepresentation in advertising of a demographic that makes up just 13% of the population being the most obvious). In many cases now they actually hire people who hold the source material of the projects in contempt and are simply looking to remake the story through an identity marxist lens, as opposed to people who have a passion and respect for the project.
We've gotten to a point where an actress like Jenna Ortega, who's not even old enough to buy alcohol legally yet, feels comfortable enough to openly discuss how she blatantly changed or omitted script lines during the filming of "Wednesday" because she didn't think they were appropriate or fit the character. That golden age which Garvin identified in 2014 already had the seeds of its destruction being planted at that time, it just took a few years to for that diseased tree to finally bear its rotten fruit.
Did you watch "Wednesday"? I liked it.
I thought it was okay, but nothing special. It's basically "Harry Potter" with Halloween creatures substituting for the wizard houses, while Ortega seems to be imitating Aubrey Plaza half the time. I will say the dance scene deserved the attention it got, because it was a fun and creative bit.
Figures.
We watched it a few weeks ago. It had some good dark humor.
Jenna Ortega's dance scene was awesome.
I thought you didn't watch videos. Why didn't you ask for the script?
He had instructions to watch the dance scene.
"Jenna Ortega’s dance scene was awesome."
Wasn't she like 17? And what are you now? 65? 67?
Rome > Sopranos
And Banshee is awesome. Batshit, but high quality. It's like Die Hard with more titties, and more distinctive characters than anything going on today.
I stop here. Too much more I could say. Go watch it.
The first season of Rome was awesome. The second one was a rushed mess with a few cool moments.
Also, there really needs to be a series that focused on that time period from Marcus Agrippa's perspective. Here's a guy who built himself up from nothing, becoming not just one of the greatest generals in Rome's history, but one of its best administrators, too, basically building the classical Rome that people tend to think of when it's portrayed in popular media. Yet, he never once strayed from his loyalty to Augustus, was happy to let him get the credit for what Agrippa actually achieved, and ended his life as one of Rome's most beloved figures.
It's a great story that's never really been shown in popular media, but I wouldn't trust this collection of Hollywood chucklefucks to be able to write a series like that which didn't have a bunch of Current Year sensibilities shoved into it.
Lately, most of the dramas I've ended up binge-watching have been Korean. They've improved their production standards to Hollywood level and are just telling good stories.
Paying off the debt as it comes due is a constitutional obligation. Paying salaries, Social Security, etc., is not. There's plenty of tax money coming in to cover the debt obligations, even if the rest of the planned expenditures can't be. (Social Security, for instance, is not legally an obligation of the government.) So a 14th Amendment claim would not allow business as usual; it would require prioritizing payments, and not paying all the regular amounts. Imagine the political firestorm from that!
So they would be like most households in America.
Social Security is arguably a pension under the Fourteenth. Building new bridges and welfare payments are clearly NOT. Prioritizing those popular benefits does not in any way require defaulting on the debt. What the Dems don't want you to notice is the spending programs the GOP spending bill would "roll back" (buried in the center of the piece) that could be cut off completely so they would have plenty of revenues to pay interest on the national debt AND continue pensions without even increasing the "debt ceiling."
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Sigh. Remember when we worried about Dickensian factory owners taking advantage of children and ruining their lives, sometimes amputating body parts? Good thing that's not happening any more.
Biden, Yellen Won't Rule Out Declaring Debt Ceiling Unconstitutional
You mean mumbling it into the mirror in the morning when no one is around... or like with some kind of legal impact?
If Texas is such a wonderland and people are moving there from other states, why is there so much shooting going on? If you're going to talk about Chicago, then you ought to also be talking about Texas.
Many people talk about Chicago because the media wont. How many people died this weekend in Chicago from black gangs shooting each other, vs how many died in Allen, Texas this weekend?
It happens sometimes in Texas, then gets viral MSM attention. It happens EVERY WEEKEND in Chicago and is never covered.
That help you out?
But those deaths are black peoples. M4E isn’t concerned about that.
"" It happens EVERY WEEKEND in Chicago and is never covered""
It would get called out as racist if it was covered with the same sensationalism.
LOL Oakland would like to have a word...
and baseball, basketball, and football teams
Yes, be very afraid of Texas. Never, never, ever go there.
(If this works, we may be able to save at least some of the states.)
1) there’s not as much shooting as you chucklefucks try to make out.
2) there’s way more shooting in certain places that you chucklefucks fastidiously ignore.
3) it was a gun-free zone so most of those LAW ABIDING CITIZENS left their firearms in their glove boxes or at home.
4) fuck off, slaver
“QUICK HITS • At least eight people, including some children, were killed by a shooter at an Allen, Texas, outlet mall on Saturday. The Texas Department of Public Safety said yesterday that the shooter—who was killed by a police officer—was 33-year-old Mauricio Garcia of Dallas and that his motivation for the shooting is still unknown.”
Wow look at that brother Mike Laursen. Day. Fucking. One. And an actual paragraph, first quick hit, in the round up, by ENB. Not a one sentence that “a thing happened, read about it in our lefty buddies, the NYT”.
Shooting mentioned, victims mentioned, shooter named. I wonder why they took the time to highlight this shooter and shooting, immediately. You think ENB is dripping with saliva over the fact that he *might* have some vague ties to the right?
Still hiding from Aurdrey Hale, the tranny, who shot up those kids. No mention of the tranny, no mention of the kids. Why do you think a random mall shooting gets more attention than *targeted* christian kids, in an school, by a left wing activist, Mikey? Reason was probably this silent about Sandy Hook too, right?
Man, its great you didn’t make that bet. Of course, you didn’t because you knew they would cover it. I kind of figured I would be proved right, but didn’t expect it first thing in the morning.
This is the magazine that thinks the "the rise of the Neocons" is a problem unique to the GOP, and Tucker Carlson is the standard-bearer.
How in the world is that relevant to this comment thread?
Dummy
You and sarcs difficulty in understanding analogy, perfectly displayed yesterday, explains why you cant see this is relevant. Read it over a couple times, and see if you can figure it out. We'll give you a few redo's if you need them
Oh, I know why Diane/Paul posted the comment. Criticizing tReason writers is a signal of membership in the right-leaning commenters clique. If you want to be a big dog in the clique, you need to criticize tReason multiple times per day, and it doesn’t matter if it’s totally out of the blue and unrelated to the topic being discussed.
Funny
Analogy, metaphor, sarcasm, and snark are so lost on you, dude.
So, basically, the same coverage that the transgender shooter got. Link to an article about the shooting, with no editorializing about it. Got it.
Still hiding from Aurdrey Hale
Gaslight away, dude, but the fact that you cannot change is that Reason did indeed mention the shooting the day after it happened.
Of course, you didn’t because you knew they would cover it.
As I explained yesterday, I didn't take your bet because I didn't know whether Reason would cover the shooting or not. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
say it Mike: "My brother Mike Parsons is a sexual tyrannosaurus, and I was wrong about Reasons biased coverage"
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Mike Parsons is a sexual tyrannosaurus, complete with flimsy little arms that mean he can't hold his body up so he ends up smothering his mate.
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Mike Parsons is a sexual tyrannosaurus...
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You and your fossilized boner are welcome.
"hey gurl, I stay hard for entire ice ages!"
"Mike Parsons is a sexual tyrannosaurus, complete with flimsy little arms that mean he can’t hold his body up so he ends up smothering his mate."
Just more of the "Ideas!" and "Definitely not ad hominem" we've come to expect from our resident rhetorical genius.
Why would I say something as wrong and stupid as that, implying my approval of your gaslighting and goal post moving? And why would I leave the possessive comma-to-the-top out of “Reason’s”?
"And why would I leave the possessive comma-to-the-top out of “Reason’s”?"
There it is. Go after the typo when you've lost the substance of the argument. There's the brother Mike we know and love.
I was more going for the “Psych” reference.
"Gaslight away, dude, but the fact that you cannot change is that Reason did indeed mention the shooting the day after it happened."
"So, basically, the same coverage that the transgender shooter got. "
Example of what the J6 coverage would have looked like with equivalent biased reason coverage:
"There was some civil unrest at the capitol yesterday. For more check out this link from OAN news....riots happen all the time though, lets move on and have a broader conversation about rioters vs police"
You cant see(well, really just wont admit) what's going on because it is perfectly curated for the lefty bubble you live in. Classic silicon valley white progressive.
LOL, you have paid enough attention to my comments to know that I used to live in Silicon Valley, but not enough to know I moved out of California.
I don’t live in a bubble whatsoever.
Anyway, you are committing the sin of becoming a big bore in your ill-considered crusade to sell the b.s. that Reason is suppressing any talk about transgender mass shooters. Give it a rest.
"I used to live in Silicon Valley, but not enough to know I moved out of California."
You can take the shitlib out of CA, but...you know the rest
“You can take the shitlib out of CA, but you can never take the boring dead horse beater out of Mike Parsons.”
And if you weren’t so clueless you’d realize that you’re a living, breathing stereotype of every Silicon Valley, trope ever.
…Well, with a little bit of Portland added.
I don’t live in a bubble whatsoever.
You’ve told us you’ve lived in San Francisco, Silicon Valley and now live in Oregon. You’re a pure blue bubble boy.
The constitutional argument on the debt limit is backwards. The requirement to pay your debts would not mean that they are required to borrow unlimited money. It would mean that such money as they have is prioritized to this use before being spent on statutory items.
In other words, if they can't borrow, they have to service the debt before "essential government services".
This argument blows up the 3 decades old "shut the government down" fiction where they continue spending without authorization but shut down services that will annoy and inconvenience the public.
This constitutional argument means that payroll, social security, medicaid, etc. are all subservient to debt service.
I don't think they want to go there.
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Nowhere in the Fourteenth Amendment does it say the President can continue creating NEW debt in order to avoid questioning the debts of the United States. It also doesn't say that the government can continue spending in other ways in order to have enough money to pay interest on the national debt. This is all pure chicanery. Something politicians have been gladly doing for decades is Constitutional when it suits them politically; and suddenly becomes unconstitutional when it hinders their spending. Not buying it - but of course they could not care less what I think.
Defaulting on the debt is unconstitutional. Spending less than Congress appropriates is just contrary to statute. Constitutionally, there's no choice here at all: If they hit the debt ceiling, they must balance the budget.
that this is even controversial is a sign of how obsessively determined they are to keep increasing spending.
They will never, ever correct their spending trajectory. They are going to drive the whole thing into the ground with reckless abandon. Prepare accordingly.
"Biden, Yellen Won't Rule Out Declaring Debt Ceiling Unconstitutional"
there is one giant problem with the 14th they would have to deal with...... "authorized by law."
this line in the 14th does not in any way authorize MORE debt to be incurred, it means that no administration can refuse to pay the debt already incurred. it does not mean we can borrow whatever the fuck we want regardless of congressional approval, it only means we have to pay back what we already borrowed.
when the debt ceiling is hit, revenues will go first to debt payments, new spending will be halted beyond what is left..... and there is nothing any wishful deliberate misreading of any amendment can do to change that.
That makes sense to me as well. Let the people see government shutdowns and their benefits cut off and see how many will still cheer on Republicans. How often have such moves played out well for Republicans?
Of course they could pay those and just trim some of the fat in all of the alphabet agencies, but like your Messiah, it’s all about ducking over the little people to try and score political points.
You didn't get the sarcasm, apparently. I don't want that to happen, but the pain of what will happen if the debt ceiling isn't raised is far worse than the benefit of the cuts they are proposing. The House Republicans are acting irresponsibly by putting so much at risk for something that they should be using the ordinary appropriations and budget processes to try and get.
It’s a shame that people are as stupid as you.
What "shut down"? We're talking 2018 spending levels here, the government was hardly shut down back then.
The problem here is that they used Covid as an excuse to dramatically increase spending, and don't want to have to revert to pre-covid spending levels.
I figured that Foo_dd was suggesting that ordinary government functions get shut down, so that they don't have to pay for those and can pay the debt instead. Basically, like past government shutdown standoffs. I wasn't talking about the spending cuts that the House wants.
The problem here is that they used Covid as an excuse to dramatically increase spending, and don’t want to have to revert to pre-covid spending levels.
Who is "they" in this statement? I wonder how many of the House Republicans pushing for this debt ceiling stand off voted in favor of at least some of that extra spending you are talking about.
The point can't be stated often enough that this is a bullshit tactic. If they don't like how much the federal government is spending, then the time and place to argue over that is when debating the spending legislation, not the debt ceiling. If they don't have the arguments and votes to lower spending then, then they just have to suck it up and try and win more seats in the next election. That is because it is a sign that the voters aren't with them on this.
This is what happens when a party makes itself subservient to its own base at the expense of representing an actual majority. It paints itself into corners. Republicans keep promising the base that they will cut spending, but then they don't win enough seats or have enough votes from members that represent swing districts and states to make that happen. So the radicals that just care about making noise push them to do stupid shit like this.
Gee, one doesn't even need to be a constitutional lawyer like Barry Obama to understand that clear caveat in the 14th.
If such a move were allowed, the federal government could keep borrowing indiscriminately, which would eventually lead to all sorts of financial troubles.
I seem to remember there being something in the Constitution about the federal government being barred from spending any money that wasn’t appropriated by Congress. If borrowing is causing “financial troubles,” then it is the appropriations process that needs to fix them, not a debt ceiling.
it is a short term/ long term difference.
long term, congress needs to get it's act together and stop appropriating funds in excess of revenue. that is the real root of the problem and you are correct that that is what needs to be fixed.
short term, they have to figure out how to limit the damage done by not doing that for the last 40+yrs.
Or maybe the damage is done and we inevitably have to face either significant inflation or a default on the national debt. If we are headed for one of those (I'm not certain we are, but it seems fairly likely), maybe it would be best just to rip the bandaid off and take the pain now rather than kicking it down the road where it may be even worse later.
migrant shelter
If the shelter was migrant, why didn't it just move out of the way?
But seriously, what's a migrant shelter? Is that like an immigrant detention center that's run by the Church or some NGO or like a homeless shelter that discriminates against the native homeless?
And that, right there, makes the debt ceiling unconstitutional. If we have to increase the debt to deal with the debt, then it's unconstitutional to have a debt ceiling. Combined with the fact that Trump tormented and executed a failed insurrection and rebellion, and its case closed.
That is the ultimate hypocrisy: conservatives who think the second amendment gives everyone an individual right to bear arms, but can't see where the constitution forbids a debt ceiling.
Uh, there are other ways to pay debts besides more debt. The US government has considerable revenue coming in all the time, and quite a lot of assets. There are many ways the country's debts can be paid besides more borrowing. Congress could also cut spending with immediate effect. Any spending could be ended tomorrow if congress chose to do so.
If the choice is between declaring the debt ceiling unconstitiontal, or cutting off people's medicare, medicaid, social security, and food stamps, then, by god, I think the choice is clear.
So do I.
Near OBL levels of parody. Well done!
Newton Minow has died.
Again, Bullwinkle? He's been dead to me since I heard about his "vast wasteland speech over 40 years ago reading about it in Ayn Rand's works.
Well, Newt, everything from Philo T. Farnswoth's first broadcast to the latest Explained episode is available on demand night or day...and "You didn't build that."
He was honored when they named the SS Minnow after him.
Spend taxpayer money into infinity. No need for a budget of any kind anymore. Because being prudent and efficient with your citizen’s money is just racist. The USA should just be renamed PSA for Pyramid Schemes of America.
1) If the house won't vote for the spending anything else is UN-Constitutional.
2) Just stamp a big fat treasonous NEVER-MIND to how much this spending is actually authorized by the US Constitution.
Funny how they like to read the Constitution upside down all the time. When it says do this; they pretend it means do that. Treasonous [Na]tional So[zi]alists.
“If Democrats and Republicans don’t reach a resolution on raising the government’s borrowing limit, the U.S. could have to start defaulting on some payments as soon as June.”
I know I’m late to the party, but I think the party that has passed a bill and sent it to the next chamber has already presented their resolution.
So this is all on the Democrats. Just like it was under Obama.
So this is all on the Democrats. Just like it was under Obama.
Nah - it depends on the conditions attached to it. There's an old trick in boxing, for a fighter to say that he will fight X only for some unreasonably large amount of money, and then, when X's promoter doesn't meet his demand, claim that X is ducking him. A similar principle may be at work here.
It is Congress itself that is violating the 14th Amendment, by refusing to pass an actual budget, thus requiring a Continuing Resolution by which it -- only in theory -- "approves" a given levels of spending. And when the CR expires, it most definitely questions the validity of debt when it refuses to extend the unconstitutional deadline.
Either start passing a budget, or get used to the idea that the Executive Branch will be forced to use Executive Orders to pay debits that it cannot constitutionally refuse to pay. This budgetary Alphonse and Gaston routine is a central bulwark of our corrupt 2-Party Duopoly.
Debt is the money they've already borrowed, dweeb, not the money they've already proposed to spend.
Just found out about the verdict in the E Jean Carroll defamation trial.
Trump is fuming on TRUTH Social, saying the trial was held in an “AN ANTI-TRUMP AREA”. This “ANTI-TRUMP AREA” is his home town.
He is also falsely claiming on TRUTH Social that he isn’t “allowed to speak or defend [himself]”.
Unconstitutional …just like his “presidency”. Enjoy!
It would helpful when discussing the constitution that journalist actually quote what is says.
“The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned”
Note in the constitution says “authorized by law”. The debt ceiling is the authorization that allows debt to be issued. Debt issued contravening the debt ceiling is actually invalid.
It is a fair argument to say that the US cannot default on it debt. If that is the case then you have to cut spending and lay tue debt.
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And President Moron will let it go to the edge, make some mean statements about all his heartless enemies, and then spend his asss off just to be a bastard.
He's at $8 Trillion, folks. Spending his asss off (with your money) for p;rogress that goes from endangered fish to coral reers while actual people do worse every day. $8 Trillion.
And this is the lazy clod that mis-estimated his signature program by $1 Trillion.
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What's left out is that the government brings in enough money to pay it's debt payment and interest. No default. It's all the extra stuff.
Media likes to sell it as the end of the world. Grandma is going to be murdered and all for this.
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The Constitution, in Article I, Section 8, gives Congress the power "To borrow Money on the credit of the United States". It doesn't give that power to the President or to the Treasury. So debt securities issued without Congressional authorization may simply not be valid. In fact, that clause in the 14th Amendment that everyone is talking about refers specifically to "the public debt of the United States, authorized by law". If it is not "authorized by law" then that passage doesn't cover it. And (in the Federal government) only Congress can make "law".
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This sock is British. He doesn’t understand the constitution or how we’ve had limits on voting since inception from criminals to age to land owners.
As I'm British, I can't be a shrike sock, dickhead. And I understand the Constitution well enough - probably better than you, as I bothered to study it before I was naturalised. In principle, there are no constitutional rights - because the constitution does not endow rights - only constitutionally recognised rights, but as a shorthand we just say, constitutional rights. And the right to vote is recognised, though often assumed all over the document, whether in the original or in the later amendments.
And note I did not say that there should be no restrictions, only that attempts should be viewed sceptically, which is obviously true, just as adding restrictions to arms and arms ownership should also be viewed sceptically.
Fuck off, basically.
I said this sock is British retard. People can pretend their dolls are any nationality they choose.
As for knowing the constitution you just had a huge fuck up regarding it retard. Lol.
Voting is a constitutional right,
Literally your fucking words shrike.
A sock can pretend to be British, though I doubt anyone here has the wit to do a decent enough British impression to convince anyone not actually a cretin like you; but cannot actually be British.
As I said in my prior post, you syphilitic fuckwit, In principle, there are no constitutional rights – because the constitution does not endow rights – only constitutionally recognised rights, but as a shorthand we just say, constitutional rights.