Washington's 'Assault Weapons' Ban Will Be as Impotent as Most Gun Laws
Once again, firearm-averse legislators chase after a restriction-averse public.

It doesn't bode well for a law when you immediately notice the measure's impotence against people who will inevitably evade or ignore its dictates. The law's contempt for constitutional protections doesn't improve its prospects. Of course, lots of what legislatures pinch out these days is stupid and unconstitutional, so let's be clear that we're discussing Washington state's new "assault weapons" ban, a rearguard action in an already failed effort to deny self-defense rights to Americans.
Gov. Jay Inslee boasted this week of signing bills featuring, among other anti-gun measures, a ban on assault weapons. He claimed "assault weapons were created for the military and designed to kill humans quickly and efficiently. Washington law defines assault weapons using both a list of specific firearms — including certain types of rifles and pistols —and a list of specific features that enable mass killing."
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They Want to Ban What?
Despite Inslee's dubious history lesson and the huffy insistence of the authors of H.B. 1240 that "the additional features of an assault weapon are not 'merely cosmetic'" the law expends a lot of verbiage on trying to define what it's intended to ban. That's because "assault weapon" is a slippery category.
"This politically defined category of guns — a selection of rifles, shotguns and handguns with 'military-style' features — only figured in about 2 percent of gun crimes nationwide before the [expired 1994 federal] ban," Lois Beckett of The New York Times acknowledged in a 2014 news analysis piece.
This leaves Washington lawmakers, like their restrictive counterparts in other states, with kludgy and verbose descriptions of a supposedly especially-lethal category of firearms.
"In addition to a list of models that includes the AK-47 'in all its forms' and the AR-15 'in all its forms,' H.B. 1240 applies to any 'semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine' and any of nine features. The prohibited features include pistol grips, folding or telescoping stocks, flash suppressors, muzzle breaks, barrel shrouds, and threaded barrels," Reason's Jacob Sullum explains.
Like Whac-A-Mole, But With Laws
As lawmakers elsewhere have discovered, if you ban guns by model names and assortments of features, people can comply with the law by changing those names and shaking up the features to sell functionally identical firearms. California banned a long list of rifles by name in 1989. So, manufacturers slapped on new stickers. The state then defined restricted weapons by a list of features including detachable magazines that, when combined, were illegal. That inspired a few tweaks.
"Darrin Price invented and named the so-called 'bullet button' which magically changed your evil assault weapon into a legal centerfire rifle by forcing you to use a tool, such as a bullet or ammunition cartridge, to remove your magazine," Ron LaPedis noted in 2017 for Police1.
So, California banned bullet buttons. This created a new market for legally permissible rifles.
"Lawmakers just propped up demand again, and opened up the market for gun owners to convert their guns and manufacturers to make new guns that easily circumvent the law with a few cosmetic changes," California firearms instructor Dennis Santiago commented after the law changed once more.
California wasn't alone in playing legal Whac-A-Mole with definitions of banned firearms.
"New York's law has actually created a new market for companies like SB Products, that make after-market products for modifying the cosmetics of 'assault weapons,'" I wrote in 2014.
"The laws were basically written by people who don't know anything about guns," a New York gun shop owner observed at the time in a video demonstration of the minor features, like vertical grips and bayonet lugs, that stood between legality and felony.
Enforcement Is the Next Challenge
These laws have the greatest impact on legally acquiring new weapons, which must comply with the law. Once purchased, people unimpressed by lawmakers can modify their firearms in privacy to have any characteristics they please. The infinitely customizable AR-15 especially lends itself to such treatment. And the DIY revolution has eased personal manufacture of firearms by people, whether or not they are interested in abiding by restrictions—I should know, since I've done it. That means laws like Washington's "assault weapons" ban face an uphill climb that approaches vertical.
"There are 400 million unregistered guns in this country, and 20 million of them are AR-15s," RAND Corporation analyst Brynn Tannehill wrote this month for The New Republic. "Any attempt to register this staggering array of weapons, much less take them away, is an impossible task with owners who are largely unwilling to comply."
In 2017 I observed that "gun controls then, like other restrictions and prohibitions, have their biggest effect on those who agree with them and on the unlucky few scofflaws caught by the powers-that-be, and are otherwise mostly honored in the breach. As a result, gun laws intended to reduce the availability of firearms are likely to leave those who most vigorously disagree with them disproportionately well-armed relative to the rest of society." Six years later, after a surge of purchases spurred by social disorder and loss of faith in the state, some shooters from groups not traditionally considered firearms-friendly fear that restrictive laws will leave them, literally, outgunned.
"Some Washington residents told VICE News that they're worried the ban creates a situation where 'traditional' gun owners—white, male conservatives—are sitting on an arsenal of high-powered weapons, which emerging demographics of gun owners, like LGBTQ people, leftists and minorities, no longer have access to," the publication reported last week.
But there's no reason to believe Washington residents will be any less likely to modify the cosmetics of affected firearms or to simply ignore the law, than their counterparts in California, New York, and elsewhere. They may be even more inclined to do so if they feel that they're playing catch-up with people from other backgrounds.
Did We Mention the Constitution?
Then there are the unpromising courtroom prospects for "assault weapons" bans. Maryland's similar law faces an uncertain fate after last year's U.S. Supreme Court reaffirmation of self-defense rights in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen. A lawsuit has already been filed by state residents and advocacy groups against Washington's ban.
"The firearms that Washington bans as 'assault weapons' are, in all respects, ordinary semiautomatic rifles," Second Amendment Foundation Executive Director Adam Kraut noted in announcing a legal challenge to the law. "To the extent they are different from other semiautomatic rifles, their distinguishing features make them safer and easier to use. But even if they are considered as a separate group of 'assault weapons,' they cannot be banned because they are not dangerous and unusual."
Even if the ban stands as a matter of law, it will join its counterparts elsewhere as a challenge to be overcome by innovators, or as a rights violation to be defied by gun enthusiasts. So far, innovators and enthusiasts are the clear winners. Politicians may enjoy passing restrictive and intrusive laws, but they have yet to find any way to make the public comply.
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Laws only affect the law-abiding. Washington state isn't doing shit about the criminals except making more of them.
Stupidly and ignorance.
Stupidly is banning small arms, thinking that will prevent crimes with other small arms, weapons of any kind or physical force.
Ignorance is ignoring the preface to the right to bear arms, “a well regulated militia”. The founders recognized that the right to bear arms depends upon demonstrating the criteria of responsibility, training and discipline. Ignorant people don’t.
Together neither group can recognize a rational solution and both seek irrational entitlements.
Truth is the only thing we share in peace.
Great. So why don’t you start by taking some responsibility and admit the Holocaust was real. Then apologize for the shitty things you say about Jews.
Why would I recant or apologize for telling the truth?
I will if any of you refute what I say, proving that it isn’t true.
None of you ever have. All you do is repeat your feeble failed attempts at coercion that have no effect on me.
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The laughable absurdity of your claims is well documented. By the whole world, minus a few Nazi and Islamic fundamentalist nut jobs, such as yourself. For every crackpot claim you throw out there is a mountain of established and verified evidence that disproves it.
You’re a pariah and embarrass yourself with these antisemitic Nazi rants.
You can’t refute a word I say.
Congrats, you actually manage to make Elmer the voice of reason. I'm perversely impressed.
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Does anyone know if Misek is still peddling that fake Victor Cavendish-Bentinck quote?
It's the one which goes, "'we have had a good run for our money with this gas chamber story we have been putting about, but don’t we run the risk eventually we are going to be found out and when we are found out the collapse of that lie is going to bring the whole of our psychological warfare down with it? So isn’t it rather time now to let it drift off by itself and concentrate on other lines that we are running.' Public Record Office Document F0371/34551 revealed by Stephen Mitford Goodson, ‘Inside the South African Reserve Bank’."
In fact, those words were not handwritten on Document F0371/34551, but were spoken in a 1988 speech by none other than disgraced historian David Irving, who was paraphrasing (in the obviously distorted way only a committed antisemite would choose) what Cavendish-Bentinck had written on a 1944 internal memorandum. Many British officials were indeed quite skeptical of the Holocaust rumors going around at that time, Cavendish-Bentinck included, but those were not his words--they were Irving's.
Last I saw, Misek was still denying everything, and therefore, that he had never been refuted.
You admit that Cavendish didn’t think the story of gassing Jews was true.
Being the guy creating the holocaust propaganda, that’s significant and all that’s necessary to refute the propaganda.
You haven’t proven your claim about different wording in the referenced note by Ben ick Irving quoting it years later is irrelevant.
The founders recognized that the right to bear arms depends upon demonstrating the criteria of responsibility, training and discipline. Ignorant people don’t.
Let's take a look at the ACTUAL definition of the militia:
"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard."
I don't see anything there about responsibility, discipline, and training.
Misek just wants an excuse to conscript everyone into his Nazi militia so he can take another crack at a Jewish Holocaust.
That way he can deny it twice.
Nazi Retard is retarded. Go figure.
Obviously at the time of the founding people exhibited far more intelligence than you do today.
They didn’t need to spell out that “a well regulated militia” doesn’t mean, irresponsible, untrained and undisciplined.
You don’t know what it means but at least you recognize that the phrase serves as a prerequisite to the right to bear arms.
"You don’t know what it means but at least you recognize that the phrase serves as a prerequisite to the right to bear arms."
Perhaps you need to re-consider your position. I have read every SCOTUS decision even mentioning the RKBA (that really not a big deal, there are but a handful of them). Each and every one has recognized, in the decision or in dicta, that the 2nd protects right the the People of the USA to keep and bear arms. The only "prerequisite" is being one of the "People."
SCOTUS is appointed to serve the political interests of the president.
They get it wrong all the time. RvW cost over 60 million helpless innocent American lives before it was overturned.
Describe and link to those decisions that state “being people” is the only prerequisite to the right to bear arms.
We can see how they addressed children and criminals not having the right.
At the time of the founding, “well regulated” meant well equipped.
And learn what a prefatory statement is.
Your argument is that the founders didn’t understand the meaning of regulate either. Hahaha
regulate (v.) early 15c., regulaten, “adjust by rule, method, or control,” from Late Latin regulatus, past participle of regulare “to control by rule, direct,”
You’ll have to refute my logic if you want to persuade any rational person of any logical errors in my position.
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It only makes sense to gun control advocates - banning AR-15s and similar guns that are the “weapon of choice” of mass shooters (yet used in a small fraction of mass shootings) will decrease the number of mass shootings markedly. That’s like thinking hammering off the tips of icebergs will prevent future Titanic-like disasters.
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""Some Washington residents told VICE News that they're worried the ban creates a situation where 'traditional' gun owners—white, male conservatives—are sitting on an arsenal of high-powered weapons, which emerging demographics of gun owners, like LGBTQ people, leftists and minorities, no longer have access to," the publication reported last week."
Why am I okay with this? Elect stupid officials who only focus on which bathroom you can use, and then allow them to strip you of the rest of your constitutional rights. You elected them, you get to live under their rules. Welcome to fucking democracy.
Smart people already stocked up, as we usually do, every freakin' year. All of our rights are under assault. I think I am going to call these laws "assault laws" because they assault our rights. Fuck you, lefties, I will hijack your words for my own evil purposes. It's only commonsense.
which emerging demographics of gun owners, like LGBTQ people, leftists and minorities, no longer have access to,” the publication reported last week.”
Anyone who thinks minorities aren't a significant gun owner demographic has never been to an urban ghetto.
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"Anyone who thinks minorities aren’t a significant gun owner demographic has never been to an urban ghetto."
And, according to data concerning first-time buyers, minorities and women are well on their way to becoming... uh... as well-armed as the rest of us .... er.... old white dudes.
“Minorities hardest hit”? Damn, did not see that coming.
“Some Washington residents” are fucking retarded.
Some?
Sort'a like banning cars to stop speeding.
Banning cars with spoilers and stripes to stop speeding, then complaining that automakers just take off the spoilers and paint over the stripes and keep selling cars.
H.B. 1240 applies to any 'semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine' and any of nine features.
I foresee semi-automatic rifles in which the magazine fits inside of a hinged compartment that latches closed, so the magazine itself doesn't attach or detach, and the enclosure it sits in does not detach either. Hell, maybe they're already out there.
It's called an SKS. 😀
Same round as the AK-47, non-detachable magazine. There are kits to convert them to take detachable mags, but stock, they use stripper clips like older military style bolt-action rifles.
It's not really "kit" it's literally just a detachable magazine that you can use after you take the factory fixed magazine out, without any further modification.
Fair enough. Never had one myself, just going off of decades old memories at this point.
I honestly like stripper clips better than mags, to be honest. Less material to carry around.
Personal preference.
I prefer magazines, especially in a "3 gun" style of competition; you still have to carry the heavy part [the rounds] but with a polymer or aluminum magazine, only marginal weight is added to that.
And reloading is much faster.
Again I'll raise the question in the hopes that some manufacturing God somewhere is listening, as the pre-eminent free-market capitalist nation in history why are we forced to choose?
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/light-machine-guns/kubynov-hopper-fed-dp28/
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/type-11-lmg-w-tripod/
I like strippers, too.
Or just get this shit overturned in court. Or even better, remove all the democrats so this unconstitutional, treasonous garbage goes away forever.
Canellas has a store less than five miles from the Idaho-Washington border, on the gun friendly Idaho side of the border. Black Sheep Sporting Goods is half an hour drive from Spokane, so is Tri-state Sporting Goods, both in good old Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. There’s a Tri-State in Moscow, 8 miles from Pullman, a Tri-State and Black Sheep in Lewiston, less than a mile from Clarkston, WA. Good luck enforcing this in Eastern Washington.
And that's just the big guys, not counting the hundreds of small gun stores, hardware stores (that, yes sell guns) and pawnshops in Northern Idaho.
And Washington already has a history of trying to force Idaho to enforce their tobacco bans. It didn't go well for Washington.
It's already illegal to murder people
Tobacco doesn't require an FFL to sell, though.
There's ways around that. For instance most families in Eastern Washington have family in North Idaho.
Oh, I forgot North 40 Ag in Coeur d'Alene.
And Lewiston.
It's illegal for an FFL in another state to sell you a gun that is illegal in your home state, courtesy of the GCA of 1968.
We no longer have rule of law in the US.
bring a local friend.
Yep. And many citizens of N. Idaho are already legally engaging in private sales. Just check out the Nickels Worth.
You can't buy one of those rifles in Idaho if you're a Washington resident. Even before this law. Trust me, I tried.
Did you try a private sale? Idahoans are not required to ask residency questions.
No I did not.
I'm good for now. Before the ban I purchased an Aero-precision lower and a BCM Gunfighter upper.
I know I'm on a list, but at least all my shit is legal.
...but at least all my shit is legal.
Ironic. All of my shit is legal, but "legal" means something different a few inches east of an invisible line.
As does ‘constitutional’.
As someone from a region where many anti-2A ley lines converge or have piled up and selectively faded into history, you're both arguably misconceptualizing them. Under a presumption of innocence, all of my shit is legal. Outside of a presumption of innocence it doesn't really matter.
I have pruchased firearms in Oregon at gun shows, complete with FFL bckground check, on my WA ID.
Was the seller who you bought from a FFL located in WA who happened to have a booth at the show in Oregon?
Or did they process the transfer to you through a FFL located inside WA State, in which case that FFL dealer is responsible to ensure that the purchase is entirely legal under the laws of WA?
Nobody said that you can't buy a "WA legal" firearm across a state line. What's been covered under Federal laws for decades already is that it's a Federal crime to sell someone a firearm that's prohibited in their own state of residence, regardless of what the laws in the state where the seller may be located are.
This law technically applies to private sales as well as FFL sales, and has for a very long time. But as the "war on drugs" has proven millions of times every year for half a century, it's very difficult to enforce the application of laws to cash transactions between two individuals if whatever's being sold is relatively easy to keep out of open view (it's much harder to covertly change ownership of a building or a vehicle, but anything that'll fit into a duffel bag is pretty simple) and if both parties to the transaction are willing to disregard specific aspects of the letter of the law.
All the eastern Washington counties must declare themselves to be ‘2A sanctuary counties’. Where Inslee’s laws don’t apply.
counties should just secede and joint neighboring states as long as they can contiguously through other counties touch the new state. there is nothing in the US constitution that does not allow counties to leave. And honestly Seattle can't stop them...hell if Ukraine is about self determination then why not in the US?
Shout out for Black Sheep in CDA/Hayden, ID. Best place around to buy ammunition. Great selection and prices. I also check out North 40 too, at least the ones in CDA and Sandpoint. Not so much the one by GEG airport.
The Triangle (Hayden, Post Falls, CDA) definitely has a great selection of firearms/ammo/accessories stores.
Most FFLs (especially corporate chain stores) wouldn't risk their license by violating Federal law and selling firearms to residents of a different state; the legal version of that transaction would require them to ship the guns to a FFL in the buyer's state of residence at which point that dealer is required to ensure that the purchase meets all of the state/local requirements in that jurisdiction (meaning any weapon prohibited under WA law wouldn't go through). The WA state government will no doubt attempt to blame the laws in Idaho for the impending failure of this new law to make any measurable difference in violent or gun crimes within the state though.
Considering that "bare hands/blunt weapons" are used to kill more people in the US each year than rifles of any kind (including these supposed "weapons of war"), the idea that any meaningful difference would be expected to result from the change is rooted in ideological dogma which could almost only be considered to be "religious" except that a huge portion of the true believers claim to have no religion at all.
H.B. 1240 applies to any 'semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine' and any of nine features. The prohibited features include pistol grips, folding or telescoping stocks, flash suppressors, muzzle breaks, barrel shrouds, and threaded barrels.
Time to come up with some really powerful rimfire rounds, sounds like. ".50 Long Rifle", anyone?
In the pre centerfire world that was the case. So what was old may be new again.
As indicated above, screw that. Hopper-fed semi-automatic. I will gladly trade both detachable and fixed magazines for the ability to tear open a box of rounds and dump them in paintball/airsoft-style.
How many rounds does your weapon hold? One. The other hundred or so fall out if I find myself, or just the gun, inverted.
It would be amusing as hell, that's for sure. 😀
Feeding from a hopper is a lot easier in a mechanical sense when whatever's being fed happens to be spherical in shape.
The more irregular the shape, the more likely for them to get jammed in the feed line, unless you use a long, linear (or maybe serpentine, but helical would require a spring of some kind and become a "magazine" again) "hopper" like the old gatling guns had sticking out from the top.
The "solution" is clear. Lawmakers must ban any reporting on bans of weapons. Without reporting, these bans can silently go into effect and nobody is the wiser. Additionally, authorities need to go door to door to search for and seize dangerous weapons.
well, that might work. I have yet to see a "dangerous weapon" at any gun store or gun show or pawnshop.
How about we ban judges and D.A.s who refuse to prosecute criminals, who refuse to keep violent criminals off the street, instead, turn them lose back on the streets where they commit more crimes, even murder people like the one that Alvin Bragg turned lose and murdered a woman.
We all know who owns these D.A.s : George ,"I'm a communist" Soros.
What the communist party (democrat) wants is a totally disarmed America. That's their end goal. Total disarmament so they can complete their goal of a communist society.
as a WA resident my comment is: WILL NOT COMPLY -- FUCK OFF INSLEE.
The Real Big One really can't come soon enough.
I look forward to seeing a number of accounts settled.
Fuck the I-5 corridor, without that, Washington would be a sane state.
i live on the idaho border and can confirm it's very different here verses the seattle side of the state. it's like living in a different state except you still have a moron for a governor.
I just hope Spokane doesn’t end up with an idiot like Lisa Brown in the next mayoral election. That Marxist bitch is running this time.
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I hope they do. We need to offload some of our homeless people to Spokane.
If you’re on the west side, you already did around five years ago. We’re still dealing with that.
i live about 3 miles from the border and rarely if ever go into spokane. the crime & homeless is out of control and the mayor is completely clueless. we patronize idaho -- gas is a $1 cheaper too.
And the CDA Costco is the only one I know that sells cartons of cigarettes.
Remember those deplorables on the I5 corridor who protected the black sheriff from an angry, racist ANTIFA mob?
as a WA resident my comment is: WILL NOT COMPLY — FUCK OFF INSLEE.
Good luck not complying, unless you're milling your own lower receivers and uppers.
In another 3-5 years, at the pace that the tech for 3D printing and home CNC is advancing, it'll be cheaper to buy a mill capable of making a "ghost" AR lower in your garage than the cost of getting an "80%" kit with drilling jigs. After that, it's just a matter of getting the correct programming code, which will probably spread over P2P networks like wildfire once there's solid demand.
Within a decade, there could be a "ghost gun" factory turning out Glocks and ARs (maybe even the full selective fire versions as well, since why obey lesser regulations in a black-market enterprise?) on every block in every suburb in the country, or at least any suburb where enough locals want to have one around. Ammo production is already legal for private citizens to do, and the equipment needed is freely available from any number of sources including Amazon.
"The prohibited features include pistol grips, folding or telescoping stocks, flash suppressors, muzzle breaks, barrel shrouds, and threaded barrels,"
Forgot to add Biden's claim that, somehow or other, AR 15s have a muzzle velocity that is "five times as powerful as any other rifle." I recall Joe Friday repeating that claim a number of times and, in spite of commendable efforts on a part of many of us to the contrary, I don't believe any such facts ever got through to him.
But of course, "The laws were basically written by people who don't know anything about guns,"
Recycling a comment I made earlier this week:
And yet in some states .223 is not even legal for deer hunting as it is not lethal enough, despite Mika Brzezinski’s panicked “Why are we allowed to have these weapons that blow up… literally blow up animals if you were hunting with them?” on Morning Joe back in the day.
Mika is a lunatic who got in the MSNBC's door with her father's name, and slept her way to an anchor slot.
Go back far enough, and you'll find a Morning Joe segment where she called for the FDA to regulate sugar like a controlled substance.
Just in case other people don’t know, Washington is one of the states that prohibit hunting with .223/5.56.
and Washington State is one of the states that expressly prohibit the use of the .223/5.56 round for hunting deer and anything bigger. Cougar are included in the list of prohibited game.
556 doesn’t cut you in half?
Well both of Biden's sons have guns. Though, that's weird as one is dead and the other is a prohibited person.
Biden also thinks that 9mm handguns are firing an extraordinarily powerful cartridge, capable of "blowing the lungs out" of a human body with a single round.
Just don't ask him things he won't pretend to know, like "Who is the current President of the United States?"
Washington's 'Assault Weapons' Ban Will Be as Impotent as Most Gun Laws
The law is not impotent. It's quite effective at stripping law-abiding people from acquiring arms that should be perfectly legal and are in common use.
"Washington’s ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Be Almost as Impotent as the Politicians Who Passed It"
These laws are nothing more than a mechanism to shift public funds from taxpayers to their campaign coffers.
While we’re on the subject of gun control, I’d like to take this time to note that Colorado Gov. Jared Polis signed 4 gun control bills into law, including a Red Flag expansion that will really make veterans with PTSD not want to talk to a mental health professional and a bill that lets the state pile on frivolous lawsuits against the firearms industry that would be laughed out of court if they were filed against any other type of product.
Maybe Reason should revisit all the articles where they shamelessly plug Polis as the most libertarian governor of our times.
The Jacket was enamored with the Gay failed hedge fund pro abortion Gov...again Reason showing their true colors..it isn't about real liberty but a few issues like open borders, abortion until birth and now sexual mutilation of kids who are confused about reality.
Come on Nick..waiting for your mea cupa about Polis. Or just more anti DeSantis articles? Need a house cleaning at Reason..get rid of the pedo fans and get some Catholic Ethnics instead of the usual cosmo libs.
I strongly oppose all such bans on "assault weapons" and other classes of firearms. If it is a gun, it should be legal for ME to possess and use.
As to the typical "assault rifle" I personally never have been a fan of them. I find them uncomfortable and ungainly.I've yet to hold or fire one that FEELE comfortable. I keep trying them, but so far I'd not buy anything I've held. Maybe someday.. or build one (now illegal in this state) However I DID make an interesting discovery some years back.... at a gnshow I found a Ruger Mini Fourteen. This rifle fires the exact same round as the AR pattern firles mostly do. It has a detachable magazine, pretty wooden stock and stainless barrel, full length (not carbine). I REALLY like it a lot. The insane thing about this bill is that it does NOT prohibit the purchase use possession of this rifle. There are millions of them out there. Range and accurac are identical to the AR rifles. I find this very comfortable and natural to hold and fire. Bought it back before Bloomburgtried to play god and crammed the UBC bill down our gagging throats. Cash In Fist and walked out with it totally legally.
In the Air Force I hated the M16, loved the M14. I had a discussion with my neighbor. She said she wanted an AR15 in case the coyotes got too close to her house. Fine be me, and as a woman living alone I want her to have the weapon she's comfortable with. But, I told her I could use my Mosin and they would never get close to my house.
Great rifle from a great company. First gun was their 22. lovely little rim fire
These dweebs are nuts.. they make an YUUUUUGE fuss over an underpowered rifle being "super deadly and daynjrus" fobbing off fairy tales on how pwerful it is..
reality is just a tad bit different than these clowns claim.
The .223/5.56 round is not worth much beyong 400 yards does not even have the power downrange torelialby kill/harvest a deer, let alone bear, elk, moose, dall's sheep, etc.
In conrast the venerable .30/06 Springfield round (7.62 x 59) has been around and used since at least 1903. It is the round that won both the german Wars of the last century. It has also bee n used to take every big game species native to North America.. black and brown and grizzly and polar bear, lions, elk moose buffalo, and I have witnessed people using this round and hitting a designated target the size of a Volkswagen Beetle at a range of a mile and a quarter. And rtargets the size of a deer at twelve hundred yards. Shiney Blue Domes at that range should be like knocking chickens off their roost at night. And these guns are left "legal"? As should be. But their insanity is revealed by leaving THESE in our hands and taking away the pea shooter AR class.
So you say that's not the same because the thuttyot six is a bolt gun? Ever seen a Browning BAR? Its a very cnventional looking wood stocked hunting rifle that is semiautomatic, and use a detachable magazine. If JayZee and Company KNEW what that one is they'd be making a fuss about them too.
Silly wabbits......
Sorry, can’t let this go. The .30-06 in metric notation is 7.62x63mm, not 59mm. And it was adopted in 1906, not 1903. The “aught six” is the giveaway. The .30-03 is the immediate predecessor of the .30-06. The .30-03 had a round nose bullet that was not as effective as the spitzer (pointy) bullets used by the Europeans, so America shortened the case neck a little, put a spitzer bullet into it and called it the .30-06.
And the 5.56mm/.223 is a devastating round. You will absolutely die if you are chest or abdominally shot and don’t receive medical care pronto.
And damn, how could you leave out the rifle that made it famous: the semiautomatic M1 Garand! (Pronounced like “errand” by the way)
Restriction averse? J.D. doesn't know Washington that well. A large population of restriction happy (except feticide and gender pretenders) in a small area and a large area with a small population of reasonable people.
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cosmo types have been the enemy of liberty forever as Jefferson pointed out. Look at the folks pushing this along with sexual mutilation of kids, DIE, foreign wars, the Fed, globalism and so on...always cosmo types..this bolshie shit started in cities in Europe and the infection unfortunately spread to the US. NYC/DC are major incubators of authoritarianism.
SCOTUS ruled in Heller that firearms in common legitimate use cannot be banned.
That "assault weapons" number in the tens of millions and are involved in less than 2% of gun related crimes easily fulfills their exempt from ban status.
Yet the lawmakers and professional activists that support such bans know this.
Just as they know the whole thing will have to be litigated again, through the federal courts where cherry picked judges will affirm/deny the law and send it upwards on appeal which will take years. Meanwhile the lawyers get paid, the activists get paid and the gun owners get screwed.
Make no mistake, gun control is an industry and business is booming nationwide.
Mencken observed that it is hard to believe someone when you know that, in their place, you'd be lying like George Santos. Looter politicians fear the day THEY get targeted. What's not to understand? They order cops to kill for their moronic prohibition laws, hand them immunity and struggle not to laugh at the cop funerals. By disarming the populace, the charade can be extended and they get to send more chumps to rob and murder for them. As long as infiltrators convince voters to avoid the LP, the Kleptocracy works.
Scotus ruled that castrating people for a new race is good, that 13A means press gangs can enslave youth, that handing out 13A to conscripts is a felony, that it's OK for Comstock laws to ban all birth control and burn millions of books. The supreme court ruled it is OK for Klan rowdies to murder fewer than 100 blacks if they think the votes were miscounted. It agreed Tricky can bomb Laos, Cambodia, 'Nam and tell Congress to lick his boots. Now it says that thugs kidnaping women to force them to reproduce at gunpoint isn't slavery. Heller also wrote Catch-22. Check it out.
So what _is_ the right way to prevent the never-ending stream of shootings? Or is the answer to just accept them, even though other countries do not?
What "never ending" shootings? Majority of gun deaths are suicide. Long guns kill less people than knives. Want to start with reducing violence..end the war on drugs to start. Stop all these SSRI drugs for young adults...allow traditional families to again be the rule (stop federal income taxes and let public money for school follow the student).
Hey "the Jacket"..and Reason waiting for your excuse for the Gay failed hedge fund "libertarian" Govt of Colorado who just pushed for passage laws which obviously are unconstitutional. Can't buy a gun until your 18 BUT darn well can have the govt "protect" you from your parents after you are coaxed to cut off your breasts or penis right Nick?
Pedo groomers pushing sexual mutilation for what is a mental disorder ("transgender") is such a low hurdle for Reason it seems. Open borders, abortion till delivery and "bake the cake" are more important right
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Tuccille could focus more on examples and less on prediction. The Kleptocracy does EVERYTHING by coercion and threat of deadly force. If I were like that I'd expect people to want to kill me for the same reason folks jump off the tracks when a train is coming. The REAL Second Amendment question is whether the looters will install SDI defenses to ruin incoming weapons. The dinning abt portable guns handily obfuscates that constitutional requirement.
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