Nikki Haley Is Half Right About Abortion
If a national consensus on abortion ever emerges, it won’t be forged in the White House.

Speaking on Tuesday from the headquarters of the Susan B. Anthony List, a pro-life nonprofit with an associated political action committee, presidential hopeful Nikki Haley set out to do something other declared and anticipated GOP candidates have mostly avoided: She talked at length about abortion.
The subject has occupied a strange place in the 2024 Republican primary—perhaps predictably, as it's been 50 years since we've had a presidential election without the legal framework of Roe v. Wade (1973). Former Vice President Mike Pence consistently and unambiguously presses his pro-life case. But the rest of the field has been noticeably quieter, with former President Donald Trump reportedly telling advisers that he "believes [abortion] is a difficult [issue] for Republicans and not something he should focus his time on," despite his own role in appointing some of the Supreme Court justices who ultimately overturned Roe.
Haley's speech was presumably intended to fill that void, and the former South Carolina governor got her assessment of America's abortion politics half right. She took a large stride toward realism about our deep and intractable division over abortion, swatting down naive fears about what's likely to get through Congress. But then she promptly backtracked, calling for "the next president [to] find national consensus"—a task that would fall well outside of any president's capacity, if it is even possible to do.
The confusion in Haley's thinking is obvious in the path of her argument, which starts with a pointed history lesson. Before Roe, she said, state-based regulation of abortion allowed "the citizens of each state [to reach] a consensus that reflected their values." The federalist approach wasn't perfect, in Haley's telling, because some states chose "more permissive laws," but it's "what the founders of our country envisioned" and "the reality of living in a democracy."
Then, with Roe, the Supreme Court overrode abortion federalism with a single "national mandate that much of the country found deeply offensive," Haley continued. We lived with that—and the resultant culture war animosity—until "last year, [when] the court returned power to the American people. We are now free to forge consensus once again."
But it's not a new federalism Haley wants. Hers is a vision for a "national consensus," and she thinks the next president (which is to say, Haley herself) can craft it.
On the one hand, Haley rightly recognized that a filibuster-proof GOP majority in the Senate "hasn't happened in over 100 years, and it's unlikely to happen soon," which means the "pro-life laws that have passed in strongly Republican states will not be approved at the federal level." Democratic claims to the contrary are, indeed, fearmongering—as are Republican alarms about congressional Democrats nixing pro-life state laws. No sweeping federal abortion regime is on offer from our lawmakers.
But Haley has no similar realism about what a president can actually do here. She seems to think a president can convince pro-choice and progressive Americans that pro-life crisis pregnancy centers are a positive thing, that adoption is an unalloyed good, and that "pro-life doctors and nurses should never be forced to violate their beliefs." And somehow, a president can also convince conservative, pro-life Americans—including Catholics for whom this is a matter of church doctrine as well as politics—"that contraception should be more available, not less."
"Those are just some areas where national consensus is already within reach," Haley insisted. "There are others too," and we can "find them through heartfelt dialogue."
Can we, though? If nice words from a well-intentioned president were all it took, we'd have solved abortion years ago.
If anything, crisis pregnancy centers, adoption, and religious liberty exemptions for health care workers have become more controversial on the left in the last decade or so. As for contraception, well, I'm not sure why the Vatican would care what a President Haley thinks—particularly if she declines to spell out how, exactly, contraception should be "available," which could mean anything from deregulating the pill to forcing Catholic organizations to cover employees' contraceptive care.
The reality is that we're nowhere near national consensus on any of this, and adding the inherently polarizing voice of an American president to the conversation will not make it more "heartfelt." The presidency has become far too powerful, but when it comes to shifting national feeling in an intense moral disagreement—to say nothing of making policy changes a subsequent president can't immediately undo—even that power has its limits. (Ironically, the ever-provocative Donald Trump may be the closest to understanding how little a president can do here.)
At best, presidential involvement in this debate will have zero effect. More likely, it will add to our contention and open up new fronts in this culture war. If a national consensus on abortion ever does exist, it won't be forged in the White House.
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"Consensus exalts a nation, But lack of consensus is a reproach to any people."
/Proverbs 14:34 (revised and updated for modern sensibilities)
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At best, presidential involvement in this debate will have zero effect.
Even if that president *checks article* appoints "some" of the jurists who overturn it?
>>Catholics for whom this is a matter of church doctrine
the Ruling Class Catholics stomped out the "church doctrine" argument.
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Herschel Walker will put an entirely NEW meaning to the phrase “binders full of women”! The harems of women will have “binders” on them, binding them as womb-slaves, by the onslaught of new anti-choice laws!
https://reason.com/2022/07/19/idaho-state-gop-says-abortion-should-be-illegal-even-when-used-to-save-a-womans-life/
Mammary-Fuhrer and “Team R” fanatics: “Just TRUST IN US! WE can be trusted to NOT call it an abortion… When you are our FRIENDS and SUPPORTERS!” (If you’re NOT a friend of ours, all bets are off, butt we’re not going to say that.)
That is, TRUST in US to NOT call an "ectopic pregnancy" an "ectopic pregnancy", and to NOT call terminating an "ectopic pregnancy" an "abortion"!
https://www.ekathimerini.com/opinion/1156932/for-my-friends-everything-for-my-enemies-the-law/
‘For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law’
The song of dictators and authoritarians EVERYWHERE!!!
And now, Oklahoma wants to try to out-fanatic the fanatics in Idaho!
https://news.yahoo.com/woman-cancerous-pregnancy-told-wait-215500885.html
Woman with Cancerous Pregnancy Was Told to Wait in Parking Lot Until She Was 'Crashing'
Let’s not confuse Roe v. Wade with a national consensus on abortion. Roe was a seriously flawed decision that could only have been implemented by an activist Supreme Court legislating from the bench in violation of the clear principles, premises and precepts of the Constitution. It deserved to be overturned, regardless of the political motivations behind the decision. Blue states have not hesitated to impose authoritarian social democratic policies on their citizens and there’s no reason to believe that they will stop promoting abortions now. The only question remaining is whether they will continue to try to impose their policies on Red states. Republicans have not hesitated to leave Blue states over other policies and there’s no reason to believe that anyone who cannot live under abortion bans in Red states cannot similarly move to Blue states. The Supreme Court should now firmly ban each state from outlawing their citizens from going to other states to do things that are illegal in their home states.
How dare you! Roe was scared gospel based on ideology and feelings, which supersede any "legal" issues invented by the white patriarchy. Only the invading barbarians led to a temporary disruption of righteous doctrine.
Not to mention that controversial issues make for very bad law, whether by act of the actual legislature or imposed by legislation from the bench. There is, in fact, a broad national consensus that murder should be illegal - and each and every state and territory in the Union has a law against murder. The laws in each state against murder are not exactly the same, however.
I am always amazed by the statement about Roe being flawed. It was a 7 to 2 decision that was overturned with less support than it passed (6 to 3). Roe was a reasonable decision that the majority of people in this country supported. It is not blue states that are imposing anything, but rather red states trying to keep their own citizen in-line by not letting them travel or use telemedicine.
Why try to forge a national consensus when the supreme court said it is, and should be, a state legislative issue?
She seems to think a president can convince pro-choice and progressive Americans that pro-life crisis pregnancy centers are a positive thing, that adoption is an unalloyed good, and that "pro-life doctors and nurses should never be forced to violate their beliefs."
What's astonishing to me is that anyone could be opposed to any of these things. Even in a scored-earth victory scenario where on-demand abortion is widely available in every state, paid for by taxpayers, for any woman even up to the point of birth, why would you be against the things listed above?
It's not about reason. Its about control. The same people who want to outlaw abortion are often the same people who want to have abstinence only education in schools. They don't want birth control to be an option either. So essentially they want to do everything they can to increase the number of unwanted pregnancies and then criminalize anybody who interferes with God's plan.
Its about as far from limited government as can be. Its not a coincidence these same fuckers are also the ones who want to ban books, oppose consenting adults of the same sex to marry, etc... They are by all accounts... control freaks.
whoosh, right over your head.
^windy just wanted to throw the shit he pulls out of his arse and your comment just happened to be handy.
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Are we surprised they arent sending their best?
Did you mean "EVEN for an attorney?"
"often the same people who want to have abstinence only education in schools"
Most would settle for 'stop trying to take my 5 year old to a drag show and teaching him about ass sex and tranny fucking'
"They don’t want birth control to be an option either."
Well, sure, when you are using abortion as your only method of birth control, otherwise, swing and a miss!
"same fuckers are also the ones who want to ban books"
Literally has never happened. Checked amazon.com, and it seems to be up and running.
Seriously kiddo, slay those strawmen in the Wapo comment section, there will be less pushback on your superficial talking points. There be dragons here
https://twitter.com/TurboThaad/status/1651280809628778518?t=ncsyfB_rfLhVnxymd1O5VQ&s=19
Public school teachers sexually abuse children at a significantly higher per capita rate than priests.
Children are twice as likely to get molested by a public school teacher than a priest.
[Link]
Where are any books being ‘banned’? Be specific.
Oh fuck off. The social conservative theocratic control freaks want to: a) outlaw all abortion from the moment of conception and criminalize it b)reverse same sex marriage and permit states to outlaw it c) teach abstinence only education as the only appropriate sexual education d) ban books from schools they disagree with or think somehow are 'woke.'
I don't need to list a parade of links because if you don't know this is happening you are not paying attention. Luckily, these same policies and variations of them are not terribly popular to the mainstream of America. It certainly isn't limited government either. It does amuse idiots.
We can talk about control freaks on the right once we have discussed how control freaks on the left demand that I:
-State my preferred pronouns
Give up my car and move to a big city
-Give up my gas stove and other gas appliances
-Never touch anything containing tobacco or nicotine
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if you are genuinely angered by the idea of a pro-life crisis pregnancy center funded privately by people just tying to offer pregnant woman an alternative option to abortion... i start to suspect you're in a death cult and you dont give a damn about "choice".
I think the venn diagram of people who hate pregnancy support centers and people who supported China's one-child policy with forced abortions is a 100% overlap.
And 100% overlap with COVID panic types who supported vaccine mandates and lockdowns.
You are talking about people that see child mutilation as an unalloyed good, their moral compass is either radically skewed or missing entirely.
There is only one choice.
For example, here in Illinois, we currently working on making sure that women choose... correctly... Can't have those pesky women getting free diapers and formula.
https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=1909&GAID=17&GA=103&DocTypeID=SB&LegID=146759&SessionID=112#:~:text=Prohibits%20a%20limited%20services%20pregnancy%20center%20from%20engaging%20in%20unfair,individual%20to%20enter%20or%20access
This is exactly what a president SHOULD DO. Rather than trying to use their emergency powers to act as king, they should try to actually work as mediator between our dysfunctional two parties. Rather than try to nominate judges who’ll overstep judicial authority to make law they can try dusting off their influencing skills to try and get congress to do something productive. There’s a deal to be made here, we just need a president competent enough to make it.
So much energy has been wasted on the extreme ends of the argument on this issue when the country has actual problems to solve…like solvency.
Did anyone really think Republicans would be satisfied with State-Owned uterus's? If they gave a crap about the USA on the subject of abortion they'd acknowledge that the 13th Amendment as well as the 4th Amendment ensures Individual Liberty on the subject.
Ya know; that Supreme Law the people decided to throw in the trash about 100-years ago and just settle for [WE] mob Commie-dictation instead.
"Nikki Haley Is Half Right About Abortion"
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Okay then. Which half of the baby do we abort?
Horrible jokes aside.. apply the NAP to abortion
When does that baby get rights?
The conversation shouldn’t be about abortion.
It should be about individual rights.
Comrade, your onky freedom is the great chain of socialism to which we all belong.
When they're 'inherent'. Because a self-proclaimed right that infringes others (not inherent) isn't a right at all but an entitlement at others expense.
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There IS a national consensus on abortion.
Most American want abotion legal with restrictions. Most of those want the restriction to be first trimester. Most of those understand that changing viability levels mean that the restriction will be pushed back towards conception.
The only people outside of this broad consensus are the total illegality and abortion on demand people.
The abortion on demand people have already lost.
The Individual Liberty clause has already been lost.
Well; You got that part right.
And people are still so brainwashed by BS propaganda they still think they can claim separate people without separating them.
If you cannot support ?baby? freedom (i.e. Fetal Ejection)
UR supporting Gov-Gun FORCED reproduction.
Regardless of your personal views about abortion, it is the hill the Republican party will die on if they don’t change their abortion policy. Roe vs Wade while flawed was the law of the land for almost 50 years. Most young women want to retain that right. The prohibition on abortions for rapes, incest and the health of the mother also hurts. While the Democrats have the more radical policies like late term and partial birth abortion, most women think they will never have that kind, so don’t really care. To many promiscuous men are only to happy to see a woman get an abortion so they don’t have years of child support.
Sensible would be a 12 week limit. Otherwise I see the Republicans going the way of the Whig party, and keeping losing elections. (I am not an abortion advocate, just speaking reality here).
The whole idea of almighty Gov-Guns ?Gods? taking supposed ownership of the people's body-parts is enough for me to realize it's a piss poor barbaric move. Is there anything the Gov-Gods don't want power-over / control of?
Once upon a time Gov-Guns were kept away from such personal items. Ironically; The appropriate solution is to allow fetal ejection (Pregnant Women still own themselves) all the time and legislation that forbids doctors from intentionally killing a viable offspring (having an inherent right to life)...
Strange how such simple common-sense ends up getting so polluted with political BS Power-mad propaganda.
The Republicans are so corrupt they don't *deserve* the honor of being politically martyred for abortion. Nor will they allow themselves to do it.
FYI: Republicans wrote Roe v Wade.
If you oppose feticide, your time and money are better spent on persuading the mother than changing laws.
Or, if you can fart and chew gum at the same time, you can do both.