The Biden Administration Releases Proposed Title IX Regulations for Transgender Athletes
Schools are allowed to preserve sex-based restrictions for athletes provided they are "substantially related to the achievement of an important educational objective."

Last week, the Department of Education published new proposed regulations surrounding transgender athletes in schools and universities, laying out new rules that attempt to strike a balance between preventing discrimination against transgender students and preserving fair play for female athletes.
"Every student should be able to have the full experience of attending school in America, including participating in athletics, free from discrimination," Education Secretary Miguel Cardona said in a Thursday press release. "Being on a sports team is an important part of the school experience for students of all ages."
While the new rules bar schools from imposing outright bans on transgender athletes competing on teams that align with their gender identity, they do allow schools to preserve sex-based restrictions as long as the rules are "substantially related to the achievement of an important educational objective," such as fairness and physical safety and "minimize harms to students whose opportunity to participate on a male or female team consistent with their gender identity would be limited or denied." However, the rules did not define what "minimizing harms" means—leaving it somewhat unclear what schools will be required to do to justify sex-segregated sports competition.
Despite vagueness, the proposed regulations would most likely allow transgender students to compete on the team of their choosing in elementary grades, when biological differences between male and female students are minimal, and sports are much more focused on character building rather than competition. Later on, schools will likely be permitted to exclude students who have gone through male puberty, as well as students who are taking testosterone, from participating on most women's teams.
While the Biden administration attempts to balance the conflicting rights of transgender athletes and female cisgender athletes, there is an asymmetry built into the new rules: Though schools are mandated to "minimize harms" against transgender athletes, they are nowhere compelled to factor in the same considerations for female cisgender athletes.
"Jamaica's Elaine Thompson-Herah, the fastest woman in the world, would lose to America's best high school boys, and the fastest pitch ever recorded by a woman would be unimpressive for many high school baseball teams," Washington Post columnist Megan McArdle wrote last year. "We didn't create separate leagues to reinforce the special feminine identity of female athletes; if anything, women's athletics was supposed to break down such divisions. The separation is a nod to biology."
While a desire to minimize discrimination faced by transgender students is admirable, this compromise is unlikely to provide clarity or a final resolution, largely because it fails to take seriously the reasons sports are segregated by gender in the first place.
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I wonder how long this stupid trans fad is going to last. No way it's a thing in 10 years, right?
It will last until it has served its purpose.
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That's an odd way to look at it. What to you presume the "purpose" to be?
It appears to me that this is a real issue for some people, and it's not likely that it'll go away ever, since there will continue to be people born who will have this issue. You just weren't aware of it before. It's only recently been more obvious because things like social media makes it easier to organize into political movements and to make a minority voice heard. Transgenderism is not something new and it's not going to go away once it achieves some undefined purpose. There will always be such people. Always.
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The purpose of the trans fad is to destroy the country.
The issue of gender dysphoria and body dismorphia will not go away and is not part of the trans fad.
People with either are NOT trying to maintain a pointedly 'trans' identity. They are trying to transition to a shape/gender that alleviates the condition.
Succeeding at this does not require the elimination of distinctions between 'male' and 'female'. It does not require mandated new linguistic norms. It does not require educators taking it upon themselves to decide and then encourage gender transition on other people's children. It does not require hurried medical and surgical interventions.
The 'trans fad' is hurting actual people who have the condition in favor of leftists activists using it to create another 'failing' of western civilization.
What people with the condition need is better psychological programs to cure the condition if possible, or allay it so surgery is not needed. And, if it's not possible to cure or allay it, then they need good, considered and workable surgeries that don't leave them in pain and/or unable to function in even the most basic ways.
The purpose of the trans fad is to destroy the country.
First, that is a ridiculous assertion. Absolutely absurd. It’s right up there with the accusation that Democrats are pedophiles, drinking babies’ blood for the adrenochrome.
Second, if our country could be destroyed with something as simple as this, we’re already on the brink, and anything could just blow us right down.
The rest of you comment after that sounds like it’s cobbled together from anecdotes, and when it didn’t, you made a good point, that the transgender person is not trying to eliminate the idea of gender. I thought this part was very insightful, and I'm going to use this in the future:
It will continue because it is one of the few remaining mechanisms by which wolves can continue feasting on the sheep.
For thousands of years (or longer) unscrupulous men have used their biological physical advantages to bully and subdue women. Over the past few decades, that capability has been slowly (and mercifully) eroded. But the Trans movement has created a loophole.
70 years ago, if Tom was embarrassed at the company softball game, he could make himself feel better by going home and bullying his wife. Today if Tom is embarrassed by other men at [insert sport] he can call himself Tomelina and beat women in the female league.
Surely you jest. That's not at all what's going on. I'm pretty sure that someone satisfied with being a man is going to part with his natural privates so he can participate in women's sporting events.
Surely you jest. That’s not at all what’s going on. I’m pretty sure that someone satisfied with being a man is going to part with his natural privates so he can participate in women’s sporting events.
You don't have to.
You don't even have to shave anymore.
That's how the trans fad works.
That comment made no sense whatsoever. Trans is not a fad, to begin with. No male is going to part with his genitals just so he can succeed in female sporting events.
Let me make that perfectly clear. The only issue that really needs to be resolved is what to do with male-to-female transgender athletes competing in female competitions. That's the only issue that needs anyone's attention.
I wonder how long this stupid trans fad is going to last.
Until... as clinicians in the Tavistock clinic were saying.. until there are no gay people left.
It will last until they decide to move on to Nambla rights. They better hurry, Old Joe ain't gonna last forever.
Darth Brandon certainly enjoys molesting little girls. Even his own preteen daughter. It also wouldn’t shock me if he did things to Hunter.
That would explain a lot.
Jesus Christ, surely that is the most partisan-stupid remark under this article, so far. Granted, there are some contenders, but up to this point, you win the prize. Let me continue on down and I'll let you know if you can collect the prize.
The word "transgender" dates to the 1960s. But there have always been people who choose to live as a different sex than what they were assigned at birth. We are not going anywhere. We have always been here.
You’re free to live how ever you want. And since the 1960s you have been. The problem isn’t that trans people exist, the problem is this radical new movement built on pure fantasy and idiocy.
I’m talking about the current fad of pretending children can decide that they are another sex, that male adults ostentatiously cosplaying women should be allowed to behave sexually with children, that gender identities are legitimate things, that someone born one sex can actually become the other sex, that there are no differences between men and women (which is so bizarre as it logically contradicts both trans and being gay), that men can play in women’s sports, and that people in society need to be forced to believe in that which is false to protect feelings of others.
Ask yourself why trans issues haven’t been a thing until about 5 minutes ago and you’ll start to understand.
Oh, and you weren’t assigned anything at birth. You were simply born that sex and the medical staff noted it. Just like when they weighed you. You weren’t assigned a weight, you simply were that weight. Noting empirical and objective truths is not “assigning” anything.
Oh, my goodness. All that righteous indignation over transgendered people. And all the cheap-shot, talk-radio talking points are there, even a trumped-up accusation about drag queens.
As smug as you’d like to present it as a black-and-white issue, it’s not that simple. We’re not talking about just the genitalia. We’re talking about the entire mental core of the individual. There are numerous cases that simply don’t fit your neat, oversimplified analysis. I know discussing it is out of the question, because you listen to way to much of the nonsense for anyone to get through to you. You like having a crappy feeling toward these people, and, by damned, no one is going to get it through that skull of yours. But don’t pretend righteousness is driving your feelings.
I’m going to assume that you never ever desired to don girls clothes. I haven’t either. Nor did you ever desire to play with dolls or attempt to feel pretty. I had a female cousin who was a lesbian who completely rejected girls’ toys. She played sports and was very talented and when she achieved adulthood, she moved into law enforcement. There wasn’t a single thing about her that was like a girl.
On the other hand, my best friend, whom I met when we were 5 years old, was extremely feminine, and I remember one time he got a kick out of wearing his older sister’s clothes, just cutting up. This was not something he continued beyond those very early years, but he remained extremely feminine. And it’s important to note that he was not acting feminine; he wasn’t acting in some over-the-top prissiness; everything about his was like a natural girl. He remained slight of frame all through his teens. He was also a gifted artist, and art flows from his hands as easily as you or I can perform cursive writing. Years later, I remembered how much I admired him. Everything about him was like a girl, except he had a penis.
Now, these are two cases in which the behavior of the person went contrary to the biological gender. Neither one of those people desired to change genders, but mentally, both of them behaved contrary to their biological sex. Mentally, they were another gender. From there, you can reason that there is a sliding scale between masculinity and femininity, and from there I can extrapolate that there’s a sliding scale between the mental attributes of each gender, left-and-right-brain reasoning, to the point that, yes, it’s very possible that an entire personality is encased in the wrong gender.
Granted, this thing with transgender athletes has to be addressed. The only real problem with transgender athletes is the male-to-female competitors. If a female-to-male athletes want to compete in male sporting events, that’s not a problem because females have no inherent advantage when it comes to contests of strength. I read an article just a couple of weeks ago in which a female-to-male swimmer, after years of competing as a female, selected to continue competing in swim meets, but as a man. He accepted the fact that he’ll lose more, but he felt right, inside. Everybody is happy.
But that can’t happen the other way around. Common sense dictates that it not be allowed to happen. The World Athletics Association ruled that if a male-to-female trans athlete had achieved puberty prior to sexual reassignment therapy, they can’t compete in female sporting events. Bone and muscle density has already set in. This is a commonsense solution, right there, and this new policy by the DOE will allow schools to possibly take this same stance. It seems fair.
I know there are people like yourself who will give no quarter, armed as you are with a lot of anecdotes. The greater majority of gender-reassignment cases are on the right path, addressing a very real issue for those people. Of course, bereft of any real issues, some unsavory conservative politicians are appealing to their self-righteous busybody constituents to make this a big deal, a new culture war. They’re not interested in fairness; they’re interested in roiling the constituents, to get them to the polls. This deserves serious attention, and if you’re not going to bring reason to the situation, and just want to tell everyone how macho you are by having a crappy attitude we’d appreciate it if you didn’t join the conversation.
The notion of boys and girls toys is insanely sexist and of the reasons why your arguments carry no weight. I like cute things. I wear pink sometimes. Am I a woman now? Am I gay? Of course not. It's very easy to find out who and what you're attracted to.
You're justifying all this insanity based on SEX stereotypes that you're passing off as gender identities that feminists have tried to DESTROY for decades. That was the whole point of feminism. To stop saying that a woman can't be rational and vote, or hold a serious job, or have responsibility because of sex stereotypes.
Sex and gender were used synonymously for millennia. The modern shift has mistaken negative sex stereotypes as socially imposed and not biologically derived. Neither is valid (nor libertarian, not that anyone here gives a shit anymore) because we look at people and judge them by their individuality and nothing else.
Men have XY chromosomes and are genetically destined to have a functioning penis, testicles, and sperm that can fertilize female eggs. Women have XX chromosomes and are destined to have a functioning womb, ovaries and eggs that can be fertilized by male sperm. That's all there is. There are EXTREMELY rare genetic mutations and abnormalities (hermaphroditism, klinefelters (XXY), supermale (XYY), turners (X0), trisomy X (XXX), etc. These conditions are NOT gender identities, nor are they desirable. Ask anyone suffering from them. Many people affected have shorter lifespans, lower IQ and infertility.
I find it quite offensive how many biologically functional people destroy their body's reproductive system while others who wish they had one can't do anything about it.
There is no such thing as sex “assigned” at birth. Sex is an objective condition. It is observed and noted. There is no choice by the observer to be made.
Yes, there have always been mentally ill people who can't accept common biological reality. Doesn't mean you still aren't mentally ill for thinking you're actually the opposite sex.
I for one believe everyone should agree they see the people schizophrenic patients see.
Yes, you always been around and through much of my lifetime have pretty much been able to do whatever you want; but bs a group, people with gender dysphoria are not doing themselves, or society, any favors right now. Being accepted is not enough, but you think you must now go mainstream and enliven the billboards with your lifestyle, and no one may dare question it. Trans rights, bathroom access, sports teams, children story hours...you are literally trying to force your "lifestyle" onto others. I suspect you will end up with less than you started with.
"choose to live as a different sex than what they were assigned at birth."
You mean conception, right? You antiscientific nut.
"We are not going anywhere. We have always been here."
Nobody cares if you want to pretend you're a girl, but when you start castrating and maiming confused gay kids, and bullying girls in sports, you can fuck right off.
Maybe in 10 years the U.S. "progressive" movement will have caught up with the Scadanavian countries they used to always want to emulate and ban many of the tretoments (such as puberty blocking therapy) in most/all cases which they're currently fighting to require doctors to do even without parental consent/knowledge.
Or maybe they'll go the other way and extend the concept of "gender affirming" treatment (does that mean that trans-women patients must be given pregnancy tests on demand?) to the level of "species affirming" that's so far only been mentioned in satire on sites like the babylon bee; they'll be demanding laws allowing for any six-year old who "identifies" as a cat to seek treatment from a vetinarian, and those who identify as a Velociraptor or T-Rex to demand to see a paleontologist rather than a pediatrician?
It's most likely the latter.
And you raise a funny point with modern progressivism. They definitely clamor about how great Scandinavian countries are, but fail to realize Scandinavian countries are not remotely as left leaning as progressives in this country.
Remember when people were making that same sort of stupid argument when same-sex marriage was made legal by the Supreme Court? Some, like yourself, were saying this is a slippery slope, and soon people would be wanting to marry goats or whatever. Remember that? I do.
Well, it didn't happen. Don't introduce ridiculous elements into the argument.
Kinda hard to say the slippery slope isn’t happening when what we’re talking about IS the slippery slope. This is what people said would happen in the 50s.
Trans racialism has already started.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/jessica-krug-rachel-dolezal-america-s-white-women-who-want-ncna1239418
That’s the next fad.
Oh man. I can't see that going well at all.
I for one can wait for it as it exposes the farcical system that is post modernism and critical theory.
There's no doubt that it will be entertaining. So much victimhood and intersectionality in one issue will have to lead to something like the creation of a singularity.
Just the opposite of a singularity. It will result in atomization of society, with every individual comprising a unique minority group.
I kind of like that idea (in general, I didn't look at the link). Unlike sex, race is mostly nonsense and doesn't really matter. Let everyone pick their race arbitrarily and let the race hustlers try to sort that out.
Ok, but why are black people generally better athletes?
We're not allowed to talk about that.
We're not allowed to talk about artificial selection during slavery ?
No. For reasons I don't understand, acknowledging the history of slave breeding is considered racist.
https://www.salon.com/2012/07/25/michael_johnsons_gold_medal_in_ignorance/
Until the 20th Century Africa had very little organized agriculture. The countryside is rich with game and fruits/vegetables for the taking. Most people lived as they had for millennia, hunting and gathering. There was little farming which requires planning and a bit of record-keeping. The skills needed for hunting and gathering were sharpened by evolution. In other parts of the world, where agriculture developed, skills needed for successful farming were favored by evolution over the hunting/gathering skills. SE Asia had the earliest agriculture, so the longest time to develop planning and numeracy.
Until the 20th Century Africa had very little organized agriculture.
That is absolutely false. You've obviously been getting your information about Africa from Tarzan movies.
I don't know. And I said "mostly". Of course there are differences between different populations of humans. But classifying people by race still isn't a productive way to find the best athletes.
Hey, man! Don't fight it, embrace it! Myself, I'm starting to identify as a proud black woman, at least until the reparations run out.
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As a lesbian of color, I absolutely agree.
"Last week, the Department of Education published new proposed regulations surrounding transgender athletes in schools and universities, laying out new rules that attempt to strike a balance between preventing discrimination against transgender students and preserving fair play for female athletes."
By telling female athletes that men with either fetishes or mental disorders are just more important.
Yup, I love these norms Biden is restoring.
Do what the trannies seem to want and end women's sports. Feminists don't give a damn and most women don't care enough to speak out. I fail to see why men should be the ones primarily doing so. Men will still play their sports as always and women --- well, won't. Sucks for them.
We are being governed by people with faith in insane dogmas.
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You didn’t really analyze what the impact would actually be. It’s about fairness, and by DOE citing this rule this way, it allows schools to make their own rules about male-to-female transgender athletes. In other words, they could adopt the new rules announced by the World Athletics Association, that forbids male-to-female athletes from competing in female sporting events if they’d achieved puberty prior to beginning gender reassignment therapy. It’s a fair resolution.
Don’t let partisan stupidity clog your thinking. Remember, the personal satisfaction of real people is at stake here, life-affirming goals, none of which will impact you in any way. If all you’ve got to bring to the table is partisan politics, do the country a favor and push yourself away from the table.
Are segregated by sex not gender.
Indeed.
Somehow, what was the all important distinction between "gender" and " sex" has disappeared, with sex being minimized to a null concept.
The beginning of the end came when the dogma that "gender is a social construct unrelated to chromosomes or genitalia, nobody is born into any identity" had to be squared with "transgender identity is an inherent trait that's present at birth"
The idea that words have specific meanings and are tools within the structure of language meant to convey certain concepts, identification, or ideas had to be discarded in order to prevent such a fundamental dogmatic clash from overwhelming the doublethink capabilities of the true-believers.
In modern newspeak, the fundamental words of the language can apparently have whatever meaning that any "intersectional" speaker needs them to at a given moment, while whatever the "proper" language for referring to any victim-designated group (virtually anyone other than cis-hetero-white-males) was 12 weeks ago or longer is now "hate speech" and there's a whole new set of approved nomenclature which is the only terminology the "enlightened" will deign to respond to (all other uses of verbiage constituting oppression and/or violence). Failure to keep up will relegate one to "boomer" status regardless of age, with exceptions made for female "leaders" who have made sufficient public displays of hostility to some "oppressor" (see Waters, Pelosi, Porter, HRC, Maddow, and possibly the cast of "The View").
A friend of mine is a school teacher, and having a conversation with her about the necessity of words having meaning and language having structure is a losing proposition......she's so confounded by dogma.
Let's not get down to the raw components here. The Window dressing is what we need to be arguing about.
Look, schools just need to accept that keeping female sports is a losing battle. Just make the female league a defacto feeder team for the male leagues.
Have a guy who's not quite good enough to be on your team? Have him check female on the application box, and put him on the female team, let him keep in practice in case one of your normal players get injured. In which case, gender is fluid, and he can check the male box and suddenly be a boy in the eyes of the administration again.
If we are to treat biology as an artificial construct, it only makes sense. Unless you demonstrate sufficient talent at the try outs, everyone goes to the JV "farm team" and then progress according to your talents.
No more male female teams; everyone goes into the same mix.
"Look, schools just need to accept that keeping female sports is a losing battle."
They cannot. Title IX says that they cannot accept it.
This is why feminists are so irate about this. Men are using their hard work to undermine the results of that work.
But feminists AREN'T that angry.
NOW coming out against it? Any major feminist groups? JK Rowling was on an island for a long while. Now a few more are speaking out, but not many and feminists don't care what the mob does to them.
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The ones who get labeled "TERFs" are that put out by this.
But feminists AREN’T that angry.
Again, per Bill Burr's arguments, if feminists gave a SHIT about women's sports, the WNBA wouldn't have to be subsidized. The US Women's Soccer team wouldn't have to sue to get their league subsidized by their male counterparts. But, aside from Tennis and maybe Golf, they don't give a shit.
Do you know why you never heard about any of the Kardashians suing to get paid the same as their male counterparts on the show? Exactly.
It's a good comedy line, but not a good argument I don't think. You can give a shit about women and girls having opportunities to compete at a high level without wanting to watch a professional sports league in one of a few sports whose men's leagues are already the most popular entertainment spectacles in the world.
But you would have to acknowledge that men are better at every sport than women.
Exactly the point I was going yo make. I am glad my daughters have the opportunity to participate in sports programs. I don't believe they will make money at it- just as 95% of boys will never make money at the sport they play. But they should be given the opportunity to enjoy the other benefits that a sport provides- including problem solving, fitness, discipline, yadda yadda. And TG people should get the same benefits as well, by the way- just not biological males competing against my girls.
You can give a shit about women and girls having opportunities to compete at a high level without wanting to watch a professional sports league in one of a few sports whose men’s leagues are already the most popular entertainment spectacles in the world.
No you can’t. If you aren’t putting eyeballs on screens, asses in seats, and dollars in ticket broker’s hands, you aren’t giving a shit. You’re wishing or pretending to give a shit while not actually giving shit. Same in the opposite direction. If you subscribe to your streaming service to get the latest Kardashians or Real Housewives show, it doesn't matter if you, in your heart of hearts, *care* about any of the characters. You're trading your life and labor for what they're giving.
It’s the same bullshit as Nordic countries doing their utmost to instantiate gender equality in the workplace only to find out that women prefer to be nurses. Nothing wrong with women’s golf or tennis or ballet or figure skating or gymnastics or college softball. But when you start carving up competitions by gender you’re getting into expending money and resources to cram square pegs into round holes in order to fulfill your perception of your wishes.
I’m certainly not advocating taking any women’s sport away, but the idea that that’s how the scales are currently tilted is completely detached from reality.
". If you aren’t putting eyeballs on screens, asses in seats, and dollars in ticket broker’s hands, you aren’t giving a shit"
That's asinine, mad. Putting butts in seats is ONE way to support sports. Another way is to, you know, fund the sport directly. My kids to swimming and soccer clubs. If those sports had to support themselves with audience proceeds they would not exist. Even among boys, who would pay to watch kids run around a field like jackasses, unless it was their kids?
These sports are supported by parents paying fees. And that is ok. Sports aren't useful just for entertainment (which would be supported by audiences). Sports are useful for other reasons that benefit the athletes directly (which is why many sports are supported by the parents of those athletes). I don't support my kids sports because I expect them to make a living out of it, but because of the other benefits.
And the idea that girls (or girls parents) paying for a college shouldn't have some amount of that money earmarked for THEIR sports is also silly. They are paying the tuition.
I agree that this calculous changes when you are talking about robbing the (audience supported cash cow) football budget to pay for women's basketball that no one wants to watch. But the broader point that if people cared about a sport they would watch it is silly. You can care about a sport and support it directly, as tens of millions of parents do EVERY YEAR, often dropping their kids off at the games, because the entertainment value is limited.
Dude, your kids pay to play sports league is not at all what's being talked about here.
But the longer this goes on, the more likely it is that one of your girls is going to run headlong into a boy in a dress who is much stronger or faster than her.
Yeah, it’s a pretty stupid leap from “The WNBA and Women’s Soccer are being subsidized by the Men’s leagues because of a lack of
femalefans.” to “Moms and Dads don’t watch their daughters play sports.”Huh? I thought we were discussing amateur and college women's sports.
Well, we have rather different definitions of giving a shit, then. What you are saying only makes sense if you consider sports only as a commercial venture. When the vast majority of sport in the world is not. The fact that there are tons of leagues that have no hope or intention of making money or making anyone famous seems to me to be better evidence that people give a shit about sports than the fact that the top level competitions are very popular entertainment spectacles.
"Do you know why you never heard about any of the Kardashians suing to get paid the same as their male counterparts on the show?"
The newest form of this is from that Last of Us show. Did you know the FEMALE (child) actor was payed less than the Pedro Pascal? How outrageous! The wage gap ISN'T a myth!
Show was garbage.
Watched 2 or 3 episodes.
Very meh
You mean the unheard of child actor who's part and acting range covered the gamut from dull, plodding, and obstinate to contrary, plodding, and obstinate? You don't say.
There are plenty of feminists angry about this shit.
https://www.newsweek.com/feminists-against-lia-thomas-ncaa-finals-feel-politically-homeless-1689765
And yes, as usual, many of the institutions one would expect to support these feminists have abandoned them. And yes, many women who probably would prefer to speak up are being intimidated into silence.
I'm not saying they do not have reasons to be more vocal.
But female athletes need to refuse to play at all if a male is playing with or against them. Women need to refuse to visit locations that permit men in the women's restroom.
There needs to be pain in supporting this.
The problem with that is that so many of the governing bodies of the sports are on the woke struggle bus. There was a girls' sports team- basketball, I think- in Vermont that refused to play a team with a biological boy on it. They were basically kicked out of the league. Now they can't play at all.
After seeing what happened to that team, no other team is going to stand up to it.
Which might happen. But with no teams, what is the point of the league?
"There needs to be pain in supporting this."
I think that is all easy to say. But understand that you are asking these girls to potentially get themselves kicked off the team, lose their scholarship and get expelled. If you read the stories about the Penn U swim team, the coach specifically said that would be the price of protest.
I've dealt with SQRLSY on this shit before where he says that corporate officers should have been willing to go to jail rather than give in to government censorship requests.
In this world where people's entire lives can be canceled, I can understand why women might feel that trying to speak up will cost them more than it is worth- especially when, as others have said, it isn't like the sport is a career for them.
The issue, however, is that without causing pain, nothing will ever change. Publicly refusing to participate will hurt the women but removal of scholarship could lead to lawsuits and even more bad P.R for the institutions in question.
The white women who have co-opted almost the entire "woke" movement from BLM to the need for all public men's restrooms to have well-stocked supplies of menstrual hygiene products call themselves "intersectional feminists". In their lexicon, even previous "waves" of feminist thinkers are now "alt-right bigots" along with everyone who might believe that factors other than characteristics such as race, sex, gender, sexual orientation, and being "differently abled" could at any level define or be used to describe a person.
Except for butch lesbians, women don't give a shit about sports. Feminists if anything would love to get rid of men's sports, but otherwise they don't give a shit.
Except for butch lesbians, women don’t give a shit about sports.
I wouldn't even make an exception for butch lesbians. At one point, it was a bit taboo to be "too butch" unless you were competitive and/or athletic. Now that it's OK to be a woman and wear a men's 40-in.-waist pants, flannel shirt, and crop your hair, AFAICT your average butch lesbian is as likely to have used the term "sportsball" as actually follow any given sport. There are certainly groups of women who watch women's tennis or ladies golf but, yeah, no parity of "women love tennis/golf/???" the way "men love football/baseball/basketball/hockey/boxing/..."
Women are more likely to be diehard NFL or CFB fans than to care about women's sports.
The gameplay is better and who would they rather look at for three hours?
There's a critical distinction between "look at" and "watch" that this glosses over that I'm pretty sure runs exactly counter to the feminist narrative and hews more closely to the biological imperative narrative(s).
Except for butch lesbians, women don’t give a shit about sports.
More to the point, they don't give a shit about WOMEN'S sports. Go to an average major league men's sports game, and the women will be cheering just as loud as the male fans.
But women's sports are fucking painful to watch unless you have a transcendent talent like Katie Ledecky or FloJo, whose body control and athleticism are WAY beyond their peers, or there's a honey like Olivia Dunne that the college boys will go to ogle.
There are plenty of women's sports I like watching. But mostly individual sports, not team sports.
Tennis, golf, volleyball, and soccer.
Legends (formerly lingerie) football.
That's all I can do.
I'd rather watch College Softball than men's golf at pretty much any level.
Per the above, I can only "look at" women's tennis for less than a full match.
That is the sad truth. Attractive women will get attention because they are a distraction from the game.
My alma mater is a dominant team in women's college basketball. And if you watch them --- their play is abysmal. The men's team is garbage but they'd have zero problems obliterating them.
I remember when the WNBA players were demanding more money. Them being paid at all is a gift in and of itself. And shame on the men's soccer team for caving on the pay dispute. They draw the money.
I had to inform my wife that the women's FIFA world cup had record high ratings for them. Those identical numbers would be absolutely catastrophic for the men's World Cup and could likely end FIFA entirely if they drew a number that bad even twice.
I remember when the WNBA players were demanding more money. Them being paid at all is a gift in and of itself.
WNBA players are utterly fucking clueless because the simp sports media has been kissing their ass for a generation now, and so they have an totally blinkered view of their actual commercial value as a sports league. They've been a tax writeoff for the NBA their entire existence, and couldn't even draw crowds before the elites decided to go all-in on woke shit in 2020. There's a video out there of LeBron, Lisa Leslie, Draymond Green, and someone else talking about political issues in sports, and when Leslie talked about how the WNBA has no real support, Green shut her down instantly by reminding her that the NBA's been carrying her league its whole existence. Even Bill Burr had to point out that these leagues are struggling specifically because women don't give a shit about them.
I had to inform my wife that the women’s FIFA world cup had record high ratings for them. Those identical numbers would be absolutely catastrophic for the men’s World Cup and could likely end FIFA entirely if they drew a number that bad even twice.
And the only reason they drew those numbers in the first place is because of absolutely relentless coverage by ESPN that ended up drawing a few extra eyeballs. During the 2014 World Cup when I was in Qatar, they had projection screens set up in the middle of the souks so that people could gather and watch the games. It's that huge.
In the US Soccer is a bit different. Most men don't care about soccer, but girls who do care about sports care about women's soccer. Largely because the success the USA Women's Soccer league has at the world level, compared to how the men do at the world level.
I think that is an interesting curiosity, but that's about it.
But that's because everyone else's women's soccer team is even worse than ours.
Women's soccer can break positive in terms of revenue. They're deluded into thinking they bring in a comparable revenue to men's soccer, even in the US. There's women on the National Team complaining they need to be paid MORE than the men, because there's other places for male soccer players to make money outside of the men's national team. It's utter delusion.
There's nothing wrong with making some initial investment in women's sports to drive interest to them. But they have to accept what their skillset is actually worth in the market.
Any pretty good high school boys basketball team could beat the WNBA champs. That's the problem.
Why? You could just offer your second string players scholarships for being "trans at gametime" and then you don't need the women's teams at all to be in Title IX compliance. I say abuse the fuck out of their logic and make it as absurd as possible.
Seriously.
If I'm AD of Coastal Carolina or some small school, I'm telling my women's bball team to have open tryouts and then winning the national championship with a team of intramural level talent males.
I never made it past my sophomore year in JV, were I played the bench for most of the season (although moving me out to the wing from forward actually improved my playing time and I did once rack up 13 points in a game, nine of those three pointers). At 5'10 I was only average height, wasn't a fast runner and had average to slightly below average ball handling skills. I used to play one on one basketball with a starter from our girls varsity team (our boys team had failed every year during my high school years to even make districts, while the girls team perpetually made it to the finals, even into the championship one year).
I consistently beat her without really even breaking a sweat. Not through skill but because I could out rebound her and run her. Put up a lot of three pointers, sink about 33% and follow up and use my size to make the rebound and do so again. Often it wasn't even close.
The girls varsity coach used to have her top 10 ranked in the state team scrimmage the freshman boys team's bench players.
Those 14 year old boys manhandled the 18 year old girls.
Oh, and that freshman boys team was last place in the region.
This is not unusual. National-level women's teams around the world often have practice games against high school or junior college teams.
"Every student should be able to have the full experience of attending school in America, including participating in athletics, free from discrimination," Education Secretary Miguel Cardona said in a Thursday press release. "Being on a sports team is an important part of the school experience for students of all ages."
Begs the question: What business is this of the federal government? Is there anything in our daily lives that is not already federalized?
The bigger it gets, the more it is weaponized to creep into everything.
>>The bigger it gets, the more it is weaponized to creep into everything.
twss.
Hey check out the sexologist over here.
mantle carried proudly.
Well, this is the obvious libertarian answer.
But when the government funds shit, things get very weird. Reason # 120 bajillion that the easier answer is to get the government out of all this shit.
The system vis-à-vis "libertarianism" is out of balance already. So depending on what you decide to ignore, could throw it further out of balance with a lot of bodies left behind you. Choose wisely.
I have to agree, that the "libertarian answer" might be to make it more obviously insane to more people, at this point.
There is no XY individual who is barred from participating in athletics. They must just participate in the XY division. The common complaint "banning them from participation" is a lie.
The federal government is interested in civil rights. Unequal treatment could be an issue. Think about it. In the same vein, why would the federal government pass The Civil Rights Act of 1964? Could it be that local governments were simply ignoring the basic intent of the Constitution? What good is a constitution if it has no legal body to enforce it?
" . . . they do allow schools to preserve sex-based restrictions as long as the rules are "substantially related to the achievement of an important educational objective,"
Does the fact that men are men and women are women count as 'an important educational objective'?
Get a load of the biologist over here!
Give them what they want; one big team as Illocust suggests just above. You either play on the jv or varsity, regardless of such constructs as gender.
Yes, that will be an end to such onerous stereotypes as "women's" sports, but is sure as fuck will be "fair." AmIright?
That is literally the "compromise" that Chemjeff suggested back in the day. And you are right, it would be the end of women in college level sports. There are far more mediocre men capable of beating the best women in these sports than there are spots on the teams. That's just facts.
The abuse of language has really eliminated the ability to have conversations across the aisle. When this tranny advocacy started I waded into the argument trying to be generous. I was willing to let gender be defined as the sex a person presents as. I was also clear that if this is the case then "sex" has to be biologically determined or the words lack any meaning. Immediately they stole that base and now we have all of it being subjectively defined by lunatics who refuse any sort of consistency.
If everything is subjective and people identify themselves as correct then there is no bridging the gap between sanity and lunacy. There is no bridging the gap between differing morals, preferences, and ideas.
We're fucked.
It is useless to attempt a rational discussion with the mentally deranged.
Don't even try.
The first person who included their "preferred pronouns" when introduced to me was met with "How nice. Goodbye."
(yes, I am retired and can do that)
> Immediately they stole that base and now we have all of it being subjectively defined by lunatics who refuse any sort of consistency.
The correct response to which is a heavy right hook with brass knuckles.
>>balance the conflicting rights of transgender athletes and female cisgender athletes,
how can you write this with a straight face oh I see ... Emma
The appropriate balance is to let people with two X Chromosomes to compete among themselves, while people with an X and Y compete amongst themselves. This is fundamentally, in my mind, no different than requiring that bantam weights and heavyweights only compete against people of those weights. It is a strictly biological component that is strictly associated with fairness and safety.
And a third category for those with an extra copy of chromosome 21. You know, the people I have on mute.
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Special Olympics is already a thing.
I'm almost sorry for making that joke being that one of my coworkers has participated in them as a parent since I've known him. On the other hand it's still funny.
Rights never conflict. Special privileges often do.
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A majority of women voted for this.
Not my problem.
And those who didn't vote for it didn't take to the streets; so yeah, not my problem.
By the dubious logic of the Biden Administration, what is the reason that segregating a "women's" division by gender identity legal?
Emma....did you ever get that beer in MD? 😛
Probably a Bud Light
Back in college, we used to call those "Butt Wipe". Maybe it's more fitting today than back then.
Now its "Bud Dilate."
Here we have Biden dictating to the nation the meaning of a law which arguably turns the original intent on its head, without taking it to Congress, and ignoring the tenets of federalism.
So business as usual.
^
The adults are back in charge! Wrong within normal parameters.
"Moi l'ÉTaT C'Est Brzzlgoopcomqua" - Biden
Vote for fascists, get fascism.
Don't vote for fascists, end up with fascism anyway. :-/
While my preference is for the Federal government to just walk away, I can support the notion that if you are going to have non-discrimination rules that include kids expressing their gender identity.
Simple: If you are a biological male who presents as a woman, nobody should be allowed to discriminate against you. You should be treated as any other biological male and be allowed to compete along side the other biological males. If your team-mates, coach, or anyone else creates a hostile atmosphere for you as a transgender, then you have a case to take them to court.
There is nothing in Title IX that says a person who thinks they are a girl should get to ignore that they have a Y chromosome. Just as you are not allowed to ignore your extra 40 pounds if you are "identify" as someone who weighs less. In wrestling, you are rated on biological factors: bigger people are in their own division and smaller people are in another.
This originates with the same people who don't like games having winners and believe everyone should get a trophy for showing up. What better way to make competition meaningless than to pair up unmatched people and claim they are an even match?
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" In wrestling, you are rated on biological factors: bigger people are in their own division and smaller people are in another."
For now - - - - - - - -
I, at 6'5" and 220 lbs, identify as a bantamweight boxer.
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While the new rules bar schools from imposing outright bans on transgender athletes competing on teams that align with their gender identity
Can I get a definition of what and how a team "aligns" with one's "gender identity"?
However, the rules did not define what "minimizing harms" means
Did the report define what "gender identity" means?
No, you may not get a definition of it. Or a definition of gender identity.
That would pin them down to something concrete and measurable, and the progs won't ever do that.
Schools are allowed to preserve sex-based restrictions for athletes provided they are "substantially related to the achievement of an important educational objective."
Imagine telling the founding fathers that the free country they fought and died to create would eventually be micromanaged like this by the tyrants in washington.
That the federal gov has any say whatsoever on a university's athletic program is a travesty and a mockery of the idea we live in a "free country"
Imagine what they'd think if a 200lb man with a beard in a dress claiming to be a woman wanted access to the lady's bedchamber.
That's the law in California.
I mentioned it below. The "1 in 4" thing makes sense. No School wants to be seen like they're soft of rape/sexual assault. But Joe, always able to fuck something up, is clearly bluffing here. One school has to tell him "No." and then it's up to the administration to take punitive action in order to force trannies onto women's teams.
https://twitter.com/AmiriKing/status/1645657068215435266?t=YH5mI0WbuHcqRq0JMtQ5-w&s=19
Everytime I see this in my feed, I address it.
I am a father of 5 daughters. They have tons of friends.
This means that I am constantly surrounded by young ladies.
Sleep overs, mall shopping, slumber parties, road trips, I do all of the super dad shit.
These girls are very much like my own daughters. Some I’ve known since they were infants and toddlers. I would take a bullet for any of them.
That being said.
No matter how well I know them, there is always a fundamental level of discretion that most any man can understand and respect.
I kiss my daughters foreheads, not their friends.
I rub my daughters backs, not their friends.
I mess with my daughters hair, not their friends.
MUCH LESS THE WAY HE’S CLEARLY GROPING THESE YOUNG GIRLS.
And whispering in their ears??
I can’t think for the fucking life of me how ANY of these interactions are appropriate.
These are all BLATANT red flags.
This video makes every conservative’s stomach turn but the left never bats an eye.
They are NOT stupid. They KNOW this is wrong. They know this is DISGUSTING behavior.
But they’d rather have a pedo in office than someone who tweets mean stuff.
Fucking vile.
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Wow. I had to stop watching it after the third one. WTF?
Democrats support pedophilia, and increasingly seek to normalize it.
"transgender athletes and female cisgender athletes..."
Stop using the term cisgender. It's made up bullshit.
There are women and there are men in dresses.
When you agree to utilize their newspeak in the debate you've already lost.
Agree. The term CIS is a mocking term to dis and exclude rather than include.
I just finished an interesting book on the Viking age. The author made a lot of good points with strong supporting evidence. But then he decided to wade into gender. He lectures on how patriarchal the Viking culture was (despite the evidence he shows of female empowerment during the age) and how it was legally and morally wrong to be viewed as effeminate as a male, how homosexuality was not tolerated (especially for the 'bottoms') but then uses a few graves with men buried with feminine clothing or objects and women buried with male objects to state the Vikings had a fluid definition of gender and accepted males dressing as females (despite the evidence he already stated about how the society outlawed this behavior and made it taboo). He didn't offer alternative thoughts, at least for the male graves such as maybe given the taboos could the corpse have been buried this way as an insult to the deceased? That was my first thought, given their funeral rituals and afterlife believes. Maybe dressing dad in drag when you buried him was an insult to Dad because he was an asshole or coward you wanted to dishonor and when he got to Valhalla or Niflheim you wanted him to have to spend eternity (at least until Ragnarok) as an effeminate male. The females with males goods are much more straight forward, and supported by evidence, females could assume male roles if they had no males to support them and we have historical and legal evidence from the time period to support that, additionally, we have the traditions of the shield-maidens, which the evidence now supports probably were actually an accepted phenomenon. Maybe the Vikings accepted men who claimed to be women, possibly, but I think based upon a few graves that's a huge base to steal. Especially as the sagas and other evidence shows how taboo they viewed effeminate males and homosexuals.
The gender fantasy has corrupted every facet of the modern world. It's been one of the most effective mind-viruses of all time. I dont undrstand why but someone should so we can protect ourselves from something like that in the future.
They're all about stealing bases. I recall reading some drivel about Joan of Arc being trans.
He made a good point that having laws against this likely meant some were practicing it (albeit that doesn't always follow, because I'm sure we can find laws against stuff that few if any one is actually doing). But to extrapolate that to it was accepted is a pretty huge leap, especially after spending a huge subsection on how being effeminate was taboo and insulting and derided. You can't make the argument right after that that a few oddities in grave goods and laws shows an acceptance of such a taboo act.
The author did admit that the evidence isn't conclusive but then in his prologue, despite earlier stating the evidence is weak, claimed that gender was very fluid in the Viking world. Oh and pointing out Loki (and even Odin's) taking on female characteristics in certain sagas is not very definitive, as Loki wasn't exactly a loved god, and Odin was not just the All-father, but also the betrayer of warriors, the God of Lying, etc. Thinking of Odin as a benevolent being is viewing him through a very biased Judeo-Christian mindset, even if the author claims to be an atheist. Anthropology used to teach it's practitioners to leave aside their beliefs now it seems to tell them embrace them and force them onto others even if the evidence is weak. Archeology is a branch of anthropology.
Finally, the cult of Odin was always smaller and weaker than the cult of Thor, despite Odin being the stronger god in the pantheon. Largely because Odin wasn't someone you loved and worshipped so much as someone you feared and respected. And in some Germanic paganism Oden/Woden wasn't even a primary god, often being supplanted by Thor, Tyr and even a few cases Freyr.
I prefer the wonderful phrase "womanface". Kind of says it all.
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"...laying out new rules that attempt to
strike a balance between preventing discrimination against transgender students and preserving fair play for female athletesdestroy women's sports."Notice that Reason refuses to characterize this as "culture war" nonsense as they routinely characterize reactions to the left's activities. This happens because this group of libertarians, unlike most, are culturally leftist and thus judge the left by in-group standards. Personal insults are reserved for the out-group.
One correction, the staff are not libertarian but libertine progressives.
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Can't we ever just say "no" any more? We're becoming a society of infantile spoiled children.
I was actually thinking this. Seems like pretty much any school that isn't West Point would be able to flatly say no and then the Biden Administration is in the position of taking punitive action to force trannies on women.
#StopResisting
#SayingNoIsPhobic
While the Biden administration attempts to balance the conflicting rights of transgender athletes and female cisgender athletes...
Otherwise known in the vast majority of the world as "men pretending to be women" and "women". Knock it off with the "cis" garbage. Biology is a binary whether you like it or not, Emma. It's been that way since sexual reproduction evolved over a billion (yes, billion with a "b") years ago.
While a desire to minimize discrimination faced by transgender students...
They are not being discriminated against. Nobody is stopping them from playing on the team that aligns with their actual gender. They just want special treatment.
Their lack of talent is probably what's stopping them from playing on the team that aligns with their actual gender. After all, higher level sports teams often do discriminate by talent.
Gorsuch fumbled the ball, left the door wide open, and left the keys in the car, and Biden and the crazies are taking full advantage.
That's being exceedingly generous to Gorsuch.
"However, the rules did not define what "minimizing harms" means—leaving it somewhat unclear what schools will be required to do to justify sex-segregated sports competition."
Okay, Emma, I know you're a little stupid and a lot inexperienced so I'll help you out here. This is what is known as PR Escape Valve. "Minimizing harms" means that trans-women will be forcibly integrated into swimming, cycling, and other sports with little to no contact. Meanwhile the schools will sill be allowed to ban biological men from the women's rugby or lacrosse teams or, say, the boxing club. Because nothing will destroy public support for this segment of trans-rights faster than watching Heather Swanson beat the absolute shit out some biological woman.
You give far too much credit to the Left for foreseeing negative consequences, I think.
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Many in the T community support and promote Fallon Fox, a fighter known to break female orbital bones and brag about how good it feels.
You would think we would have enough troons by now to field their own teams.
There is no room for compromise here. If trans women are women. Then you have to let them participate in women's sports. If we are not, then there is no reason to let us participate.
Cool. Get out.
"Transwomen" are not human females. They are physiologically male, which is the basis for segregating women's sports divisions.
By any logical or objective measure, you are not.
"Transwomen" are men playing dress-up. Nothing more. They still have a Y-chromosome no matter what they do.
A guy can wear a dress, pump himself full of estrogen mixed in a bathtub, chop his dick off, and change his name from Andy to Lilly, it doesn't make him any more a woman than putting on a bunch of dark makeup and doing his hair in cornrows or an afro makes him a black man.
Agreed. XY and XX divisions only. No compromise.
Notice actual women don't append their sex description with trans?
K. You're not. Play on the men's team.
Can you menstruate? Or carry a fetus and support it biologically? Can you lactate? Do your gonads produce estrogen or testosterone? Do you have two X chromosomes, or an X and Y chromosome? Where you born with a penis or a clitoris and vagina? Your answers to these questions are the answer to are trans women women. I don't care what you call yourself, but I do care when you take opportunities away from my daughter and wife. No one is stopping you from dressing how you want, what we are stopping is you forcing everyone to live by your decisions.
Oh and BTW, I am a biologist. Just in case anyone asks. Also happen to be a nurse as well.
Sports are sex segregated, not gender segregated.
Anyway, what’s the over/under that Jeffy and/or Tony appears in this thread sometime soon?
Any second now, along with the rest of the resident "groomers." Even though this specific aspect of transgenderism has nothing to do with grooming children.
And a little over an hour afterwards, like a moth to a bug zapper, Jeffy arrives.
But Megan McArdle is not a biologist! What a transphobe! /sarcasm, obviously
At the same time, Her Royal Highness' position is both inclusive, far-reaching, one-sided, and a bit moot. I can go along with the argument that women's cycling or tennis wasn't created to reinforce the special feminine identity of female athletes, but "we" invented sports along the lines of Women's Beach Volleyball and Legends Football specifically to reinforce the feminine identity of female athletes.
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Tweet of the last 10 years:
"I actually wish transgender women could get periods.
That would end this movement within about 28 days."
Just mandate they wear six inch stiletto heels at all times not engaged in sports.
I wonder though. If you go the full surgical route, you are already dealing with a lot of physically unpleasant stuff with your modified body. Would monthly bleeding really put it over the edge? Tending to a fake vagina sounds like it's already pretty gross and takes a lot of maintenance.
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While a desire to minimize discrimination faced by transgender students is admirable,
What discrimination, exactly is being suffered?
None. The answer is none. If anything they are revered as a special class throughout all realms of society today.
Once again, discrimination is neither intrinsically positive or negative. If you engage in active, positive discrimination to hold one group up, you're engaged in passive, negative discrimination against everyone else.
The unbearable discrimination of being identified as a human with a penis, duh.
Reason's own Robby Soave gettin' cranky with Anthony Fauci.
Too bad that crankiness wasn't on display when he, you know, interviewed him.
A segment that was a conspiracy theory just months ago that all the theorists somehow knew about. Hmm...
If gender is fluid why are they forcing them to chose a sex to transition to.
Yes yes we know. Maintaining tradition and order is more important than individual liberty.
How about the individual liberty of female athletes to play against comparables?
Jeffy won’t address that. He’s a liar.
He's a cunt. Ironically enough.
Okay, I think that can be a valid concern.
Would you support trans athletes competing in the team of their chosen gender if it could be shown to your satisfaction that the competition would be "fair" by some objective standard?
What liberty?
That there are women's sports divisions is not done for frivolous reasons. There is no reason to segregated sports based on gender identity. None. If that is the basis, then logically, they should not be segregated at all, as there is no rational basis for it.
I just find it interesting that virtually everyone in this discussion is wailing and moaning about the potential loss of women's sports. As if it is a sacred institution that must be preserved at all costs. The desire to preserve the past just for the sake of preserving the past is overwhelming with you paleos.
Here is another take. Having sex-segregated sports can be viewed as a type of sexual discrimination against men. For example, suppose there is a budget to fund 100 athletes for two teams. If one accepts that in general, men are more athletic than women, then if those 100 spots were filled by the most talented athletes, the overwhelming majority of them would be filled by men. However, if the two teams were sex-segregated 50/50, then half of those team spots would be filled by women who would, more than likely, displace more talented men. In any other profession, if a company were to fire half the male workforce and replace them with female workers who happened to be less talented in order to fill a sex quota, we would call that an impermissible act of discrimination. But in sports, it's evidently totally okay.
So an alternate suggestion might be, instead of having sex-segregated sports, to have sports segregated strictly by athletic ability. Athletes could be ranked in the same way that they are ranked now, by weight class, years of experience, or other statistical factors.
It means that most teams would have only male athletes, and there would only be a few female athletes. But isn't that the most meritorious outcome here? And you all above complain about how professional women's sports are subsidized by the men's teams. What type of market demand is there really for all-women teams?
So if you want to argue in favor of sex-segregated sports, then it would have to be on the basis of something other than athletic merit. What is that reason?
So half the population gets their own shit to enjoy.
Then if a trans woman identifies with that half of the population, why shouldn't that trans women be able to participate in that sport?
Because Y.
Because the biological women choose to assemble with other biological women. And yes I used a redundant adjective twice.
You actually want to force them to take someone instead of going by the rules they've accepted and agreed to for decades.
Does that mean if a white man identifies as black, he should be allowed to join all-black fraternities?
Because merely identifying as a woman does not make you a woman. Femaleness and maleness are not subjective conditions, that can be changed by an act of will.
I identify as Blake Shelton, now do I get to fulfill my masturbatory dreams from my 20s and get to bang Gwen Stefani? Hell I'd settle for crazy ex sex with Miranda.
Note: Id definitely ask her to dress up like she did in the video for 'don't speak.'
Okay, well this begs the question then. In your view, what is the point of sex-exclusive sports teams?
Is the point such that the competition between teams is fair? I agree, that can be a valid concern. Unfair competition is unfair regardless of sex or gender.
But you didn't say that in your response. You said that it was about the sex of the athletes per se, as if having sex-segregated sports was an end unto itself. Is the point so that girls can have an athletic-themed safe space?
Should sports be sex-segregated irregardless of concerns about the fairness of competition?
"In your view, what is the point of sex-exclusive sports teams?"
Because of the physiological differenes between the sexes that result in great disparities in strength. Which makes the reason why segregation by sex is a hell of a lot more than tradition. This whole line of argument by you is faking ignorance.
"Should sports be sex-segregated irregardless of concerns about the fairness of competition?"
No. Which is why I wrote that segregating by gender idenity makes no sense.
Because he's not in that half. "Identifies with" means jackshit.
So what?
That sounds rather equitable. Men play with men and they play with women.
Or we could just keep having women's sports because lots of people seem to like it. I could do without some of the insistence that there needs to be parity in everything, but "because people like it" is also a good reason to have something.
Well, there was a time when sports consisted of gladiators fighting to the death, because "people like it". Just because people like it does not mean it is right, fair or just.
Do you understand how retarded your examples and rationalization of leftist dogma is becoming?
No.
I just find it interesting that virtually everyone in this discussion is wailing and moaning about the potential loss of women’s sports. As if it is a sacred institution that must be preserved at all costs.
Thank you for saying the quiet part out loud. Your comment has been bookmarked, and is now my go-to example for anyone who is dismissive of the idea they’re trying to destroy women’s sports.
This is the Sam Harris comment on this whole issue.
I have no idea what a "Sam Harris" comment is, but I am just one guy. Who is "they" who are trying to destroy women's sports? I'm arguing that having sex-segregated sports represents discrimination against men. Are there other people arguing this position?
Youre rationalizing ways to fit an excuse for an apriori assumptions, often utilizing post modernist theory.
Men and women decided to separate. The latter because they couldn't compete woth the former. Instead of trans forming their own leagues they demanded inclusion into others leagues.
Your only act here is rationalization. You ignore all history, twist it when you can, ignore all logical arguments and adopt a means to excuse bad actions by those the left tells you should be privileged.
You all continually call me a leftie, and if you think I am a part of some leftist cabal trying to "destroy women's sports", I really doubt you are going to find a lot of leftists who think that women's sports represent sex discrimination against men.
Cite this overwhelming number of people. It is an argument formalized in gender theory and not widely accepted. Title IX was literally created to allow equal access to sports in numbers and funding for both genders.
And you are a leftist fuck. Your intention for all argumentation is to try to squeeze a square block of a minority of political and libertarian thought into a round hole to support leftist narratives and goals.
You start from the end state of leftist desire and try to rationalize it.
And Jeff ignores the freedom of assembly, forcing women to accept men.
If you want to repeal Title IX, then that is a different discussion. But what the Biden Administration has done is to make it incoherent and the reason for being flipped on its head.
If you want to tear down a tradition, you need to have a damn good reason rather than iconoclastic intent.
Lastly, you did not state your case: What bloody liberty?!
I would be open to considering repeal of Title IX.
If you want to tear down a tradition, you need to have a damn good reason rather than iconoclastic intent.
Not sure why I would need a "damn good reason". I don't venerate tradition for its own sake. I think the reason above that I presented is sufficient to warrant discussion. Don't you?
Again, if a company were to fire half the male employees and replace them with female employees who happened to be less qualified, in order to satisfy a sex quota, everyone here would scream correctly that this was a type of invalid sex discrimination. But that is what happens when sports teams are segregated based on sex, and not selected based on overall merit.
Lastly, you did not state your case: What bloody liberty?!
I am mainly looking at those of you who are insistent on defending structures and traditions without even considering whether they are serving a useful purpose anymore.
“Not sure why I would need a “damn good reason”. I don’t venerate tradition for its own sake.”
Because of “Chesterton’s Fences”. Which is if you do not understand the reason why a fence was built, you should not demolish it. Despising tradition is no reason to get rid of one.
Furthermore, no one is arguing about this merely out of “tradition’s sake”. It is a strawman argument by you. There is a clear purpose for creating women’s divisions based on the physiological disparities between the sexes. It is the ulititarian reasoning for why Title IX exists, which the Biden Administration has made a hash out of.
So there is no liberty being threatened here and that was just a false flag argument by you.
I find it really amazing that you on the left have gone from advocating for women to have their own sports leagues in order to participate in sport like men do to now arguing that allowing women their own sports is discriminatory so we all need to go back to when men dominated everything and women should just sit on the sidelines.
Here’s a lesson for your progressives self: progress with no limiting principles turns out to not actually being progress.
Umm, maybe different people have different reasons for their opinions, and they don't all belong to some monolithic hive mind called "The Left", and the reason why all of these disagreements seem contradictory to you is because they are composed of very different people with very different viewpoints.
dude some idiot injecting his dick into women's swimming is 794 miles from individual liberty
Tax payer funded elective surgeries and forcing acceptance is totes liberty.
Jeff you avoided the question yesterday. Your defense of general affirming sterilization was based on medical validity and parent approval.
Organ removal is an accepted medical practice. Can a parent sell their child’s kidney to the highest bidder of he finds a doctor to agree? Amputation is a valid medical procedure. If a kid wants attention from being crippled can a parent cut off an arm or leg if they find a doctor to agree?
Just like a moth to a bug zapper, guess who’s here: Jeffy, our local conformist statist.
The federal government forcing schools to adopt a particular standard is individual liberty related how?
LyingJeffy's idea of individual liberty is using the force of law to impose his beliefs on others. Obviously.
I am not necessarily in favor of this particular regulation. I am just commenting more generally of the general tenor of these comments, which appear to be purely reactionary. I mean, this could be a great opportunity to talk about the role of sports in education in general. But no, it's just knee-jerk opposition and reaction. Oh well.
You have been nothing but reactionary sea lion.
I mean, this could be a great opportunity to talk about the role of sports in education in general.
Then why didn't you mention that to begin with, you disingenuous fat fuck?
Because this isn't his goal.
Notice the people who always complain about sports in education tend to be the ones who never even tried out? Sports have a role in education, fuck even the Greeks knew this, look up the original meaning of the word gymnasium. Especially for males, humans, like most mammals, learn through play. Sitting kids down in chairs and lecturing them is not conducive to a well rounded education. Classroom lecture is important but play is equally important.
"He who is only an athlete is too crude, too vulgar, too much a savage. He who is a scholar only is too soft, to effeminate. The ideal citizen is the scholar athlete, the man of thought and the man of action." - Plato
Printed on the back of every program at every sports ceremony at my HS.
Exactly, I letter in band, football, baseball and academics, was captain of the knowledge bowl team and set a state record for number of lightening round questions answered in a state competition.
And started at left (blindsided) tackle. The stereotype of the dumb lineman is really not even close to being true. If I were hiring a coach to run a professional program, I'd choose a lineman, because we had to make so many split second decisions otherwise no matter how talented the backs, you never get anywhere. The same reason catchers make the best baseball managers. The catcher really is an on the field manager. Maybe a tight end, they seem to succeed at coaching because they live in both worlds, back and lineman. Understand reading defenses and running offenses.
I agree sports and physical play are important. But they don't need to be so closely tied to schools and I think it might be better if they weren't. But I don't see it as a big problem as it is.
Just as a tangent to this discussion, Annheiser-Busch lost millions of dollars in sales over a holiday weekend, seeing beer and can sales drop nearly 30% and draft sales dropping nearly 70%. This is the number one beer company in America loosing sales during a Holiday weekend, that was fairly nice across the country (fuck spring even finally decided to show up here in Montana, only a month late). Now causation is not correlation but it definitely can imply it.
If they had a famous gay person no one would have cared. They chose man who pretends to be a 14 year old girl...
There had to be some gay basketball player somewhere in the tournament.
I’ve heard reports that even in bars in notoriously gay neighborhoods sales are down 40-70%.
I can't decide which is more hilariously karmic, that or the fact that they seem to have skipped/lost out entirely on advertising around the NCAA tournament.
jeff: Having sex-segregated sports can be viewed as a type of sexual discrimination against men.
this needed to be more accessible.
Is it wrong?
Yes.
Strong Woman Jeff. Strong Woman.
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Tennessee Representative Justin J. Pearson is a total fraud
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"transgender discrmination" says the millenial the neighborhood bar in Annapolis won't sell me and my Georgetown friens a beer Camp.
First Emily, transgender doesn't exist other than as a mental illness. You can't be another biological sex.
Second, my high school 800 meter time would have qualified me for the woman's NCAA finals and I was the fifth fastest kid on my team. Our two best half milers would have qualified for the womans Olympic final in 1988! And our fastest would have won a medal maybe gold in the same olympics.
Put the best 145 pound female MAA fighter in the Octagon with Connor McGregor and let's see what happens. Hell the boys 15 and under soccer team destroyed the woman's national team. Maybe they should have been paid more than the woman.
There is no justification for allowing men to compete in woman's sports. Just stop it you weirdos. Men and not woman, the earth isn't flat and aliens didnt land in Roswell.
The record Avi Silverberg set for the women's Bench Press in the Canadian Powerlifter's Union, shattering the previous women's record by 100lbs., is the sub-junior (17 and under), 165 lb. male record in the same organization.
I blame Hollywood. Only half joking. How many movies shows a slip of a girl weighing maybe a 100 pounds soaking wet kick the shit out of a 200 pound mercenary or such? Sorry, but maybe she'd get lucky, but only until the guy got a hold of her or boxes her in, then it's lights out. There's a reason that boxing is done by weight class. Even the no names Tyson used to beat up on pay per view would have done major damage to the Walther weight champion at the time. Oh, and a meter long broadsword weighed in excess of 30 pounds. A 100 pound woman wielding that against a similarity armed 200 pound male warrior, probably have a dead woman afterwards. I personally believe that if shield maidens actually existed (the evidence suggests they did) they likely never fought in the front ranks of the shield wall. Hell even as archers they'd be at a disadvantage, considering the Danish Long Bow had a draw weight up to 100 lbs, at full draw. Not like modern compound bows that have 70+% let off at full draw, a long bow you had to draw the entire weight and hold it. Hard enough for a male, with our wider chest area, and wider shoulders. Archeologists can always tell the skeleton of a medieval archer, because the muscle mass needed to draw a war bow permanently deformed their skeletons.
I blame Hollywood.
Not that Hollywood is entirely blameless, but I think it's more cognitive, "that which is unseen" and/or Dunning-Kruger. Girls, women, don't watch, actively ignore, or even actively discourage their sons from dribbling basketballs and soccer balls in the house. It doesn't dawn on them that the reason their sons are so good at soccer or football or baseball is because they spend every waking moment fidgeting around with the ball and, when there's no ball around, finding a rock to toss in the air and hit it with a stick. They don't understand that boys/men are generally stronger because they've been wrestling with their older brothers, cousins, and dads for untold generations. This, however, isn't exclusive to women, it just takes a different form.
Despite the narrative, Avi didn't just walk in off the street, say "I'm a woman." and then proceed to bench a weight that a significantly non-zero portion of us could bench. If any of us did that, they'd throw up administrative hurdles if not flat out tell us, "No." and dismiss us as no-name misogynistic trolls. He holds records in the Union and is a renowned coach, they *couldn't* call him a misogynist and tell him, "No." without effectively performing a Dylan Mulvaney sponsorship.
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Only at the military academies.
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Do you mean pole vaulter Allison Stokke?
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