Reparations for Black Residents Would Cost California $800 Billion, Say Economists
This total is 2.5 times the state's annual budget.

"Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole," reads the subheading of Ta-Nehisi Coates' provocative 2014 Atlantic article, "The Case for Reparations." For some groups, like Japanese Americans, that reckoning has already happened: Roughly 80,000 people who were interned in camps in the 1940s have been paid a total sum of $1.6 billion by the U.S. government, or $20,000 per person in 1988—$50,000 each in today's dollars.
For others, like black Americans who descend from slaves—the group on whose behalf Coates argued—that reckoning has not happened, but may soon: A nine-person task force in California has made preliminary recommendations for what the state ought to pay to its 2.5 million black residents and will finalize these recommendations by the end of June, at which point they'll have to be approved by lawmakers and Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom.
Economists consulted by the task force say each qualifying resident may be entitled to $223,000, which amounts to $800 billion when owed to 2.5 million residents—more than 2.5 times California's annual state budget. "The task force should feel free to go beyond our loss estimates," University of Connecticut public policy professor Thomas Craemer told the task force, "and determine what the right amount would be."
"It should be communicated to the public that the substantial initial down-payment is the beginning of a conversation about historical injustices," reads one of the reports, "not the end of it." It's not yet clear where that money would come from, in what form it would be paid out, or over what time period.
The amount generated by the task force stems from attempting to tally up the damage of overpolicing, housing discrimination, and incarceration. Proof of residency and slave descent would be necessary prerequisites before money could be doled out.
In San Francisco, an advisory committee separately exploring the possibility of reparations has already recommended $5 million payouts for the city's black residents, plus debt forgiveness and guaranteed income of $97,000 annually—a proposal that has not yet been passed, but will be taken up again later this year.
When the state violates people's rights, it ought to be held accountable. One way of doing that is by forcing it to pay damages, the way a court might order one party to in a civil suit. Another way of doing that is by eliminating the state-imposed barriers currently in black residents' way—a less satisfying but perhaps more prudent approach, as it focuses on the barriers currently in place, affecting people who are living today.
Unfortunately, the harms perpetrated by the state are too numerous to tally—a point made by the task force in its preliminary report, which highlights everything from discriminatory drug policies to the destruction of communities via infrastructure projects.
You could easily add lack of school choice, or the existence of occupational licensing requirements and firearm sentencing enhancements, or the shift away from phonics instruction in schools (which has made it so that two-thirds of black Californian third-graders are not reading at grade level) as other deliberate government policy choices that have led to worse outcomes for many black people—things that could currently be tweaked to improve conditions with little to no cost to taxpayers (who, if any race other than black, tend to be wildly unsupportive of reparations proposals).
Beyond the dollar amount proposal, the preliminary recommendations report has some good ideas, like "prohibit the state prison system and local jails from cancelling family visits as a form of punishment" and "support development of policies and practices that limit the unequal citing of vice retail businesses (e.g., liquor stores, tobacco retail) in Black neighborhoods."
Other ideas—"compensate individuals who have been deprived of rightful profits for their artistic, creative, athletic, and intellectual work" and "create free healthcare programs"—are woefully untethered from both reality and smart accounting.
The project has provoked criticism from some on the left, who see California, which was never a slave state in the first place, as attempting to make residents whole when they believe that instead ought to be done at a higher level. "Calling these local projects reparations is to some degree creating a detour from the central task of compelling the federal government to do its job," Duke University professor William A. Darity Jr., a reparations scholar, told The New York Times last year.
Task forces that create compendiums of ways the government has inexcusably violated people's rights should be lauded, but the remedy most likely isn't to go deep into debt or hike taxes in the state with the highest personal income tax burden around to try to recompense people for something in the past that can never be atoned for; it's to get the state out of people's way in the present.
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How many election cycles will this [promise] be good for?
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But yet I so hope it does.
I propose that we pay each black person in the United States that has lived under the yoke of legalized chattel slavery $100,000 per year that they were held in bondage.
You clearly do not understand progressive notions of justice and fairness.
Oh, I do. I just don't care about them except insofar as they need to be opposed.
How about this formulation….
nah... the math doesnt work
and the morality is just bizarro world
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The math works just fine for them - you just never learned under Common Core. 😉
How many times, when I was a child, did I hear my grandfather quote and agree with his grandfather's lament: "If I'da known how much trouble they were gonna be, I'da picked my own damn cotton!" But it's so hard to make predictions, especially about the future.
And to be paid by those individuals that held them as said chattel.
Of course!
Agree
Considering that I identify as a black person who was held under chattel slavery for 1000 years, I agree.
Me too. Dey needs dey reparations. Dey woan be robbin no stores once dey gets dey money.
You might have to raise taxes on white Californians just a little, maybe a little more on the "rich", so they pay their "fair share". And in the spirit of real transparency, the tax increases necessary should be shown on the assessment as a "reparations surcharge".
You can pretty well bet the vast majority of whites who have bought into the guilt trip would shed that guilt pretty damn quick after that first tax bill with the "reparations surcharge" was received.
I hope it does. Let California break itself and serve as a cautionary tale.
Unfortunately they will be coming to the Federal government to bail them out and of course the national socialist...eh I mean Democrat party will oblige them.
They've probably already done that, but between the media running cover for the ruling party in the state and the inertia of such a large entity, the zombie corpse still appears to have a bit of life left in it.
Never in a million years.
Nor should it! It would cause more inflation, division, hatred, resentment, and collapse our already fragile economy. As a black American, we haven’t suffered the injustice of our ancestors. Collecting on their behalf will not contribute to our prosperity. Most of us would be broke in less than a year, then complain it wasn’t enough!
The Wokers do not care what happens to Blacks. They only want Blacks and Whites to hate each other so that we don't cooperate with each other to end the predatory nature of our society.
It might, California is certainly nutty enough. If the voters in California do not stop this then it is their own fault.
I don't know that there's anything the voters of CA would actually stop the legislature from doing. The state has been gerrymandered into a near-permanent one-party supermajority, compounded with the drive to make the state nearly unlivable for anyone who isn't either in the top 5% of earners nationwide or poor enough to be on the recieving end of some extraordinarily generous public assistance; that possibly amounted to a purge of non-"progressive" voters in most parts of the state who will reliably vote for whatever entity shows up on the ballot in the "Democrat" box regardless of how much real harm that party inflicts on those they pretend to be "fighting for". As long as the media carries their water and convinces the people that "corporate greed" is the real culprit, proven out by the increased prices as businesses pass along the increased costs of providing any kind of good/services in the state to the consumers who are the only place they can get the $$$ to cover every new tax increase or regulatory compliance cost.
"It should be communicated to the public that the substantial initial down-payment is the beginning of a conversation about historical injustices," reads one of the reports, "not the end of it." It's not yet clear where that money would come from, in what form it would be paid out, or over what time period.
No end in sight.
Yes, the likely end game of this, if it is allowed to go forward, is a permanent race based income transfer. That will not have any corrosive effects on our society, surely.
If you buy that, you are an idiot.
Right because no one ever talked about historical injustices before. This is fucking nuts. History is a non-stop parade of injustices. You aren't going to fix the past. It already happened. Reparations only create new injustices.
(Pure) African black lineages by and large contain NO Neanderthal-type genes, while all other human lineages do. African black lineages = = Cro-Magnon types in the PURE form, while all others contain SOME of the genes of the Neanderthals (and-or Denisovans), who were BRUTALLY oppressed by the Cro-Magnon types!!! Therefore, African black lineages owe reparations to all of the rest of us! To PAY for the sins of the Cro-Magnon types!!!
The higher the percentage of Neanderthals genetics the higher the payout?
Yes, thsi!!! We poor Neanderthals were SEVERELY abused!!! I still have nightmares from my previous life as Ooooog Thag, just about every night! And Shirley Inane has NOT helped me ANY!
Reparations only create new injustices.
Yes, but two wrongs totally make a right, so long as the people being wronged in the here and now are people the left hate (white men). Just don't you dare point out that some white men are descendants of people who have also been enslaved (slavic people, for an obvious example). That's not allowed.
Also, don't forget that a lot of white people had family members who gave their lives to end slavery. If no whites had fought to end slavery, we'd still have slavery and no one would be talking reparations.
What white people did against slavery in the past is honestly irrelevant when it comes to this issue. That's the game they want you to play, so you can do the criticism/self-criticism thing until you realize how racist you are.
The actual answer is, and should be, "No, you don't get a fucking cent, there will be no 'conversation," and none of your justifications have any merit whatsoever."
When do Native Americans get their reparations? And will that deduct proceeds from casinos?
"When do Native Americans get their reparations?"
The really, really BIG question.
And How!
They nice "land declarations" from colleges all the time.
Native American reparations are still being hashed out in Federal for decades. It's a Fed problem, not state.
Then why are slavery reparations - in a state that never had slavery - a state thing.
CA government and settlers have done more actual violence against native Americans that they've done against blacks.
And Chinese immigrants, and Japanese immigrants, and Latinos (both those there before and immigrants).
"Hey, where's mine?"
Because California is run by morons.
Truest statement of the day.
Why? Because they actually entertain the notion that this is OK.
California has a lot of Chinese, Japanese, Mexican and Mestiso descendants it should pay reparations to.
As a descendant of East Tennesseans who died fighting for the end of slavery, I expect a cut as well
They already are, and look how that worked out for them.
They got professional teams renamed in Cleveland and Washington.
What more could they possibly want? Maybe some paddle ball games...
I didn't get a "harumpf" outta that guy.
Harrumph.
You watch your ass!
They can have Manhattan back.
They foisted Lizzie Warren on us. Can't we just call it even?
This is what happens when a bunch of people who cannot fathom saying "no" to requests to give them stuff wield total power in a state.
Still kind of shocked that a certain Reason commenter, who routinely embarrasses himself on behalf of Democrats, actually tried arguing that reparations is only an issue to the extent Republicans make it one. Because, he claims, Democrats totally don't care about it.
#AndYouThoughtHisEconomicGaslightingWasBad
That's their general approach: float an insane idea, tell you you're crazy when you object to it ("No one is proposing this!!!"), then actually implement it and call you names when you object ("Only a racist / homophobe / etc. would object to this!!!").
California was never a slave state. In fact, many slaves escaped TO California. So I see no reason why California has to be the one to atone for the sin of slavery.
I’ll be a full-blown , maga hat wearing ,Trump supporter long before the southern states ever agree to pay reparations for anything related to slavery.
We had our land ravaged and were occupied after losing hundreds of thousands in a war about it.
Fuck the shit out of reparations.
Right; deduct the cost of the Civil War from any and all reparations.
In today's dollars. Every citizen of Afro American ancestry will be getting a bill for balance due.
I agree in principle. The southern states have paid. I personally would have salted more plantations, but whatever.
Well. it was, it’s just the slaves were yellow and brown
Because some white people just feel so guilty for things they didn't do. It's an original sin for which they're forced to atone, forever, with no forgiveness or absolution. But it's not a cult.
That is CRT in a nutshell.
California was never a slave state. In fact, many slaves escaped TO California. So I see no reason why California has to be the one to atone for the sin of slavery.
No one alive today need atone for the sin of slavery. If all we can get is "the economics are a bit out of whack" article from Reason, then libertarianism is fucking lost.
Reparations as they're being proposed (slavery) are morally repugnant. They are the nadir of "social justice". "Justice" cannot be collectivized. Justice, whether one likes it or not, has a punishment and retributive component to it. So if one collectivizes justice, one collectivizes punishment, which is morally repugnant.
No one alive today need atone for the sin of slavery.
Plenty of people do, but they're mostly in African and Arab countries.
-jcr
Yes, but for brevity's sake, I'm talking about the American institution of Slavery which was abolished after the American Civil War. I'm not commenting on the existence of slavery and servitude that exists in other areas of the world.
Ahhh. Not just collectivism on past sins. Collectivism on future populations. Why should eight billion resource intensive people get to consume things when future generations of one trillion people might not have resources. Check out philosophy bites podcast on longtermism.
#whopaysphilosophersandeconomistssixfiguresalaries
It's nothing more than a cudgel by black nationalists and academics to humiliate their political opponents. You wouldn't see this shit anywhere that wasn't functionally crippled by white liberal self-loathing.
But.... but..... but white supremacy is a far greater crime than slavery.
Just wondering; do descendants of black slaveholders qualify for reparations?
Decedents of William Ellison would.
Yes. Because skin color is the most important thing.
I looked it up and they do need genealogical records to get their share of the loot.
It’s all about the melanin.
It's still stupid, but that makes it a little less retarded.
I'll just just download my genealogical documents from the same place I got my fake covid vaccine card.
I am looking for reparations from the Scandinavian countries for raping,pillaging, and enslaving my British and Irish ancestors. Ditto the Romans.
My kids can then get reparations from me for my English and Scots Irish ancestors repressing their mother’s Irish Catholic ancestors. And then I can get some from Andrew Jackson’s estate for my Cherokee ancestors.
I’m not sure how my German ancestors play into this- they were here long before any World War, I’m guessing the Hapsburgs owe me some coin as well.
Pretty much every human being on the planet is a descendent of slaves of some ethnicity including white Europeans.
Most of the governments and systems of governments that have abetted slavery have disappeared. Not so with the American government. It has reigned continuously since the time of slavery. The Romans who tyrannized the Britons no longer exist and can't be petitioned or taken to court.
"The Romans who tyrannized the Britons..."
They are called Italians.
There's been a number of changes in governments, systems of governments, and constitutions etc since those days. Not the case with America, which continues on under the same system. Elections for example are held faithfully down to the day specified in the founding documents written over 200 years ago. With Romans there's no continuity, no one to hold accountable. Not the case with America where the Japanese internees could successfully sue the government even though those individuals like FDR who were responsible were all long dead. Because the government was the same.
Reparations for Japanese internment, interestingly enough, were paid to people who were actually interned.
So what? The US government also reformed itself when it came to slavery and added the 13th amendment to the constitution. Seems to me that should count for more than older slave holding societies that failed or faded away.
"The US government also reformed itself when it came to slavery and added the 13th amendment to the constitution."
I'd agree if the government had followed through on General William Tecumseh Sherman's promise of 40 acres and a mule (reparations) for black ex slaves. They didn't and the issue still festers.
That would have been a much more appropriate way to do reparations. For the people actually victimized. But far too much time has passed now when no one is alive who even knew a former slave or slave owner. At some point you just have to leave the past in the past.
"But far too much time has passed now when no one is alive who even knew a former slave or slave owner."
A lot of law suits are settled simply by waiting for the plaintiffs to die before justice can be done. But I agree a better solution would have been Sherman's 40 acres and a mule. Instead we chose to let the sore fester over the years.
" At some point you just have to leave the past in the past."
To quote the South's only literary giant, William Faulkner, the past is never dead, it isn't even past.
It wouldn't if you and other sickos didn't keep picking at it.
Sores can fester, picked at or not. Sometimes ignoring a sore and pretending it doesn't exist works out for the best, sometimes not.
"I’d agree if the government had followed through on General William Tecumseh Sherman’s promise of 40 acres and a mule (reparations) for black ex slaves. They didn’t and the issue still festers."
Sherman lacked the authority to make the offer.
If a bank teller offers you a billion dollars, the bank is not going to honor it.
Also...at the time of Sherman, numerous states were not part of the government, which certainly is a dramatic change.
And, uh, where are the reparations from the people who sold the slaves? Are they immune?
"Sherman lacked the authority to make the offer."
He made it anyway, and the government of the time chose not to honor it. A lost opportunity in my view.
Did someone elect Sherman or otherwise grant him this wondrous authority to bind all Americans? Or do left wingers grasp at whatever straw is necessary to support their preferences?
"Did someone elect Sherman or otherwise grant him this wondrous authority to bind all Americans?"
William Tecumseh Sherman was a general in the US army. He didn't achieve the rank through election, but by appointment. He was given great powers, including the power to burn down every town and city in the south he passed through. A power he exercised with some enthusiasm. There are books written about the man and his times. I suggest you read some of them if you are interested.
It’s revealing how he tries to pretend Sherman has this power without actually asserting that. Obviously Sherman has no such power but our leftist propagandists refuse to admit that so try to direct attention elsewhere so they don’t have to admit it.
The English Government is much older than ours. They brought most of the slaves here
"The English Government is much older than ours. They brought most of the slaves here"
When the British ended slavery in the 1830s, they paid reparations. To the slave owners. Some 20 million pounds. Some of it in the form of annuities that continued to be paid until 2015.
Keep in mind, the asshole known as trueman has admitted:
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
Hence why I call him, "misconstrueman".
So reparations should go to the descendants to slave owners?
This is what the British decided. Some 20 million pounds were paid to slave owners as reparations for their ending of slavery. Some of it in the form of annuities which were paid to the descendants of slave owners until 2015.
It's clearly an indication of the white guilt Americans feel about the nation's sad history with slavery that the British form of slave reparations has never received serious consideration. Reparations instead are for the ex slaves and their descendants rather than the owners and their descendants who lost a large portion of their capital due to government actions.
"It’s clearly an indication of the white guilt Americans feel about the nation’s sad history with slavery that the British form of slave reparations has never received serious consideration."
1) Zero white guilt here. Literally none. I owned no slaves. My family owned none as well.
2) You REALLY want us to give the reparations to the slave OWNERS for their loss of property? That is also both an asinine and intensely destructive idea.
"1) Zero white guilt here. Literally none. I owned no slaves. My family owned none as well."
If you're black, then guilt is not expected. If you're a citizen of a nation that has abetted slavery, then some guilt is inevitable, at least to thinking people.
"That is also both an asinine and intensely destructive idea."
That's the way it went down in Britain. Until very recently.
Noted woke Racist Marxist Criminal professor Angela Davis discovers that her ancestors arrived on the Mayflower on one side of her family and owned slaves on the other:
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1628492199322177536
Meanwhile, my German ancestors, upon immigrating to Indiana in 1860, immediately joined the Union Army on behalf of their new home state, and participated directly in the liberation of those people. Several of my great-great (great great) grand-uncles perished in the attempt.
Which one of us gets the reparations?
Sorry - you need to think in much BROADER terms. Was just informed in my struggle session er.. Diversity Training that white men have had all the power in our history and this is untenable.
I could care less. Let Commiefornia pay out billions in reparations, free houses and every other handout. Fine. Then when the last middle class wage earner moves out of the state, when the last business moves to Texas, when only impoverished homeless people and wealthy Hollywood whores and untalented billionaire pop stars remain, they will exclaim that California has truly become Diverse, Inclusive and equitable or DIE.
Let that state go bankrupt. I welcome it.
Brother, they'll just extend their already existing exit tax to more people.
Then they'll send cops to arrest you. Because what are you gonna do? Resist?
Pretty sure that California won't be able to enforce their Reichsflugsteuer on anyone who leaves for a lower-tax state. Even if some Obammunist upholds it at the circuit level, it won't pass muster in the current supreme court.
-jcr
Only whenever the next Democratic majority comes around, they'll force the other 49 states to subsidize California.
National divorce.
They're counting on a federal bailout to pay it off.
Let that state go bankrupt. I welcome it.
Problem is, the Feds will just bail them out. So first, let's maybe see if there's a way we can kick them out the Union first. Since they threatened to leave when #OrangeManBad was elected but didn't do it - the fucking pussies - we'll probably have to forcibly remove them somehow.
I was thinking that if they go bankrupt and want a bailout then then can have it, but only as a territory, under an appointed territorial governor. They clearly having demonstrated an inability to run their own affairs.
A nine-person task force in California has made preliminary recommendations for what the state ought to pay to its 2.5 million black resident
Are we going to have to include definitions for what constitutes a black person? Do they have to prove they descended from slavery? Do first generation immigrants get slavery reparations? What about passing white people who descended from slaves?
If a man can claim to be a woman, why can a white person not just claim to be black?
Well, you see, race is totally immutable while biological sex is not. Humans can change at will and fart magical fairy dust while doing so, but they cannot become part of the oppressed class.
/Your typical progtard.
The article already says that "Proof of ... slave descent would be necessary".
It's a monumentally stupid idea. You don't need to commit the strawman fallacy to discredit it.
I just think that's a big deal to skim. How is it proven? Not everyone can trace their genealogy back 5 generations. The report just cites that as a problem to be solved later. And it flat out ignores that white persons, or people who identify as white, can be descended from slaves. They have to be Black on the census report.
The assumption is that California was still discriminating against Black People in the 20th century as well, and owes money to any Black person who ever domiciled there, but the problems of actually monetizing that harm are utterly inconceivable. It's all a fool's errand. We're not going to repay the descendant of everyone who was ever victimized by the government because making people NOW pay for the crimes of two generations ago is a ridiculous burden. We need to stop the victimization of people going forward.
There will be subsidies for Ancestry.com.
(Or whatever web ancestry service contributes the most to democrats before this gets passed)
"Not everyone can trace their genealogy back 5 generations. "
Some people can. And the rest of us only need to prove a relationship to them to qualify.
You didn't disprove his point. Some =/= everyone.
I am someone. I don't need to be everyone. Full disclosure: I claim kinship to the noted slave revolt leader Toussaint Louverture. Not only did he chase the French from Haiti, in doing so outrages against some white women and children were committed. Any descendants of these outraged women or children are free to submit their claims to my legal team.
Which has what to do with anything in the US?
I'll ask my legal team and get back to you.
One drop of blood. Full circle.
Beyond the dollar amount proposal, the preliminary recommendations report has some good ideas, like "prohibit the state prison system and local jails from cancelling family visits as a form of punishment" and "support development of policies and practices that limit the unequal citing of vice retail businesses (e.g., liquor stores, tobacco retail) in Black neighborhoods."
Let's just accept the first part of that is reasonable. Why is the second a "good idea," to use your words. What if vice businesses happen to have more violations in black neighborhoods than in white ones? Should we just cite white businesses more often even if they don't break the law? Or do we just stop enforcing laws in black neighborhoods?
Liz needs to explain how this is a "good idea." I don't see it. It's not asking for deregulation, it's seemingly just weaponizing regulation for the purpose of equity. I can't see how that's anything except bad.
Well she did capitalize Black. Her virtue is fully established. Her intentions are obviously good. And you come here and whine about her take on vice businesses*. Shame on you.
*Actually never heard this term before. Turns out the gas station I frequent is a Vice Business. They sell beer AND cigarettes. God only knows what other debauchery is going on there.
God only knows what other debauchery is going on there.</i.
You're probably gonna want to avoid the restroom there.
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"You can see her kidneys."
EXCELLENT!
>>black Americans who descend from slaves
could all assemble at AT&T Park. also, you didn't capitalize Black you bigot.
Hold on just a Cotton picking minute!
I'm of course referring to Senator Tim Cotton, and not, well, you know...
The only possible benefit from compiling lists of the harm done to people by government – both intentionally and unintentionally – would be if it resulted in the government (at ALL levels) STOPPING the harming of people, or at least punishing their agents when they do unjustifiably harm people. Eliminating the excuses rogue enforcers use to harm people, like the war on drugs, the war on poverty, community policing and selectively applied laws against vice, would be a great start. More subtle forms of discrimination, like public school districts and welfare entitlements could be next up on the agenda after eliminating police abuses. I doubt that any of that will happen anytime soon, but as long as we're wishing for things that aren't going to happen ...
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson.
Ta-Nehisi Coates' provocative 2014 Atlantic article, "The Case for Reparations."
Is Coates the worst writer ever, or just the most celebrated bad writer?
There is Ibrahim Kendi for worst celebrated bad writer. Frankly, most academics in sociology can probably compete on the bad writing aspect, if not the celebrated part.
Let's not leave Robin DeAngelo off this list.
Has to be the latter, I think. There are many worse writers among the marginally literate.
Definitely the most celebrated bad writer. "Between The World and Me" is basically just him blaming white people for masculine black guys in school bullying his sensitive girly ass when he was a kid.
One of the downsides of capitalism and the market economy is that it creates enough surplus wealth that utterly worthless, sniveling little bitches like Coates and Sanders can get paid for guilt-peddling instead of getting real jobs.
-jcr
When does Ankara send its reparations check to Kim Kardsahian?
Or to all the Slavics who were enslaved over their rule.
“I’m paying off everyone’s college loans!” - Brandon
“No you’re not” - Lower courts
Same bullshit from CA Democrats, and for the same reason (pandering to a voting base they already own).
"... (pandering to a voting base they already own)."
Use of the word "own" seems rather appropriate in this context.
Classic anchoring tactic.
They will eventually harangue the woke legislature to come up with something in the range of 50% of the state's annual budget and it will become an actual fight that either nearly passes or nearly fails. mark my words
California needs to atone for being retarded.
They're in a competition with Illinois right now.
we're not zero-sum around here, both can be retards!
At this point, turning the coast into a quiet neighborhood for about 10,000 years is probably the only way that happens.
Half a million people left CA between 2020 and 2022.
https://notthebee.com/article/500000-people-left-california-between-2020-and-2022
If these lunatics somehow pull this off It will be a zombie ghost state.
I see a business opportunity helping blocks from all over the country establish California residency.
If these lunatics somehow pull this off It will be a zombie ghost state.
Nah.
It'll be the blackest state in the union.
Supporting "black reparations" is one of the most accurate litmus tests around for 'are you a total moron'
Unless you're vying for the moron vote.
Time to raise taxes in CA for the wealthy and corporations? There’s a few left…
You say you haven't been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if they gave you some cash
The more I think about it old Billy was right
Let's kill all the lawyers kill 'em tonight
Don't want to work you want to live like a king
But the big bad world doesn't owe you a thing
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GET OVER IT !!!
Tell you what, find some black people alive today who were previously enslaved during their lifetime, I'll gladly pay them whatever they're "entitled" to. Until then, STFU.
You have to go to Africa to find black slaves these days.
Or any Arab country.
-jcr
Democrats gotta keep dem folks on da farm somehow or other.
Recently the Republican party had the black vote sewn up. Until Nixon, it seems. He had a very positive record with all things black, but his skittishness over offending whites lost the blacks for the Republicans. Nixon had close personal ties with the MLK family and when King was temporarily disappeared by the Georgia police during the 1960 election campaign, Nixon refrained from calling Coretta for fear of alienating white votes. Kennedy, a lot less sound on racial matters than Nixon, did call and went on to win the election. And the black vote.
George Wallace was a typical southern segregationist democrat at the time. But in the late 1970s in his final term as governor he had a change of heart, apologized for his earlier positions, won their vote and even appointed blacks to his cabinet. Alabamans have been electing mostly Republicans ever since Wallace retired.
Recently the Republican party had the black vote sewn up. Until Nixon, it seems.
The black vote turned during the Roosevelt administration and become fully captured when Kennedy ran.
Alabamans have been electing mostly Republicans ever since Wallace retired.
You do realize that Wallace retired in the late 80s, right? Alabama didn't become a solidly Republican state until after the 2000 election.
" Alabama didn’t become a solidly Republican state until after the 2000 election."
By which time even Wallace had turned coat and joined the Republicans. Clinton for him was 'too socialist.'
Recently the Republican party had the black vote sewn up. Until Nixon, it seems.
Stupidly wrong. Again we see the impact of left wingers rejecting actual history and replacing it with politically driven mythology, similar to the development of The 1619 Project.
"Stupidly wrong"
You should study some left wing history. The Republicans lost their grip on the black vote long before the 1619 project came along. As I wrote before, it was lost under the Nixon administration. It's unfortunate because Nixon was entirely sympathetic to black Americans, having come from roots as humble as anyone. His first political act as a student president at Whittier college was to allow black membership in college organizations. As president, he spent money on black Americans in far greater amounts than anyone coming before him, including Johnson, and he was able to convince southerners to integrate their school systems.
Johnson is also a noteworthy turning point in the black vote. Southern democrats were just one step from being KKK, and were actual members in some cases. That started to changed with Johnson who again came from a humble background, and knew the hardships of his black work mates doing back breaking road work with them side by side, and as a teacher of poor Mexican students.
There are various books available on Nixon, not all of them left wing history. I urge you to read some of them. For Johnson, I'd go for the Caro biography. I hope he can complete his 4th and final volume on the years of the presidency before he passes.
Obviously your reading comprehension is lacking as well. I didnt claim The 1619 Project cost Republicans the black vote. I advance it as a similar mythological creation as your assertion Republicans lost the black vote during or after Nixon. In reality Reps lost the black vote from the 20s - 40s.
Sorry, but no. Although the do-gooders would like you to feel guilty about slavery so they can slip one over on you, the damage to black people has happened much more recently and in every state of the Union. Every city in America organized police departments along the lines of protecting white people from black people. This principle has been so ingrained in the operations of police departments for so long that it is almost impossible to root it out without eliminating them completely and starting over again from scratch, which a few cities have done successfully.
"Every city in America organized police departments along the lines of protecting white people from black people."
Hm I wonder why that is.
$20,000 ain't enough. Each reparationtee should get at least eleventy billion just as a down payment.
IL and NY might as well get in line. If they don't, all the productive citizens will rush to CA to be "made whole" instead of toiling in other states.
Just wait. Pritzker will say to Newsom, "hold my Dom Pérignon".
That made me laugh out loud. By the way, one of Pritzker's cousins is going to be deposed in the Epstein kerfuffle in the VI.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/01/us-virgin-islands-subpoenas-epstein-businessmen
Will the Tribune cover the story?
Will the Tribune cover the story?
We'll probably see it in the Sun-Times first.
Roughly 80,000 people who were interned in camps in the 1940s have been paid a total sum of $1.6 billion by the U.S. government, or $20,000 per person in 1988—$50,000 each in today's dollars.
So that's the standard. Those that were interned/enslaved, not their descendants. That should be much cheaper.
Not only that, how will they determine who's a descendent, and to what degree they were wronged? I bet there are slaves up the family tree of a significant amount of white people, and there are a ton of black people with no slave in their bloods.
In the case of the Japanese internees, it was also the government who directly wronged them. Combine that with actual victims still being alive and it's quite a bit more reasonable to compensate people.
The idea of reparations to black Californians is going to be tough to convince the public to accept. A compromise is more likely. Socialized health care, education, retirement care, public transport etc for everyone, regardless of color or descendance from slave stock. In other words, classic bait (race reparations) and switch (universal socialism) tactics. Bonus is that the compromise will probably end up costing more than $800 billion.
If its anything like teh bullet train they are building it will be $800 trillion and due to the free monies a house will cost a billion.
.....and menthol cigarettes.
This horseshit deserves a full throated condemnation from anyone claiming to be libertarian. Individuals having their wealth stolen to pay for the sins of someone else. Individuals separated by ancestry and rewarded or punished by the state. The NAP is violated by even contemplating this crap. Reason as usual gives us a mealy mouthed protest citing the technical problems. Fuck this bullshit. This is pure evil.
Liz thinks the commission has some actual good ideas, though, like...just limiting the number of citations for business in black neighborhoods. So just unequal treatment under the law is now endorsed by libertarian publications.
The libertarian case for equity of outcomes.
If I was a white supremacist, I'd be cheering this on. Not because it goes against everything I stand against, but because I stand to gain a huge increase in followers.
If want to create a massive division within this country, i can think of no better way than to just forcibly take money from one group and give it to another based on arbitrary skin color. Amazingly stupid plan.
"Amazingly stupid plan."
Not if your goal is to start a race war. Though you are most likely correct, just abysmally stupid and an outcome of living in a prog bubble.
Maybe Charlie Manson was ahead of his time.
Manson is proof that drug use isn't all it's cracked up to be.
"Hey maaaaaaaaaaaan, the blacks are about to rise up and figure out a way to kill all the white people without them putting up much resistance, and when it's over, we'll take over the place because blacks are too dumb to figure out how to get rid of us! Faaaaarrrrr ooooooouuuuuuutttt!"
Vincent Bugliosi, you mean. That whole race war palaver was cooked up by Bugliosi so he could pin a murder charge on Manson, despite his not being anywhere near the scene of the crime.
The commies spent a century trying to start a class war in this country, and they've finally gotten it through their dim brains that it's not going to happen, so now they want a race war.
-jcr
This is probably the biggest recruitment boon for the KKK anyone has ever come up with.
But not kkk the organization that believes in white supremacy and lynching, the grass roots movement opposed to race essentialism, reparations and punishment of innocent people.
Like blm.
I imagine all the FBI agents posing as members would like some company outside the agency for once.
There are at least a million ways to grift this insanity. If you think PPP loans were a debacle just wait. The state will have to create a huge bureaucracy to establish the ancestry from 150 years ago of millions of people. Do all of these documents exist in the public record? Considering the fact that CA was never a slave state we're talking about Arkansas and Louisiana etc. Do they have accurate records? Will applicants be trusted to submit proof? Will apocryphal accounts be sufficient? There are a whole lot of white people walking around with one drop of slave blood. At least Jefferson's descendants. How's it gonna look when some rich white guy gets a big government check because he can get a lawyer to cobble together an argument? I've never seen white supremacy as a viable business opportunity but when you get up and running I'd like to get in on the ground floor with a significant investment.
That will not work. What the desired outcome here is allegiance to the Democratic Party. Best to put it out there, string it along, and buy as many votes as possible until they have to pony up.
And when they do, it will be across the board. No niggling over ancestry.
No niggling over ancestry.
I see what you did there...
"If I was a white supremacist, I’d be cheering this on. "
You mean if you were a white supremacist, and no you wouldn't be cheering this on, you'd be looking on in despair as the entire population scrambled to convince the government that they too were black enough to get a taste of the $800 billion.
And how would you know that? Racial division is exactly what white supremacists want. They're not really different from the far-left BLM members, both want racial division and are obsessed with skin color.
"and are obsessed with skin color."
Just like the rest of the country. There's not a single issue of substance facing the nation that isn't divided along racial dimensions. The notion that BLM or KKK are uniquely concerned with race and skin color is head in the sand denialism of the first order.
No, that's not remotely true. I and plenty of others do not give a damn about one's skin color whenever we're instructing that person, hiring, preaching to, making transaction with, etc. We just live to the best of our lives. That alone disproves what you say. To claim that we're "obsessed with skin color" is a total lie that's only propagated by those who actually have such obsession. You're one of them.
"unequal citing of vice retail businesses"
What's the MLA format for citing a business?
I'm pretty sure the word intended was 'siting', since the clause is about situating vice businesses in black communities. And it's in a direct quote from something, so not only did the original fail, but then Reason failed to notice (and include the obligatory "[sic]" to denote an error in the original). Where are the editors?
Citing, as in, writing a citation. Not a citation in a book report, a criminal citation. For violations.
Basically, Liz is seemingly okay with regulations being weaponized as tools of equity.
I honestly can't tell. I can absolutely see the left bitching about either one of those things.
Where are the editors?
At a cocktail party? Updating their resumes to submit to the NYT or WaPo?
Of course, the above isn't an editing mistake, it's a reader error. Citing is the appropriate word in the context used.
Are you sure? I can absolutely see the leftards whining about "vice businesses" being predominantly sited in minority neighborhoods as well. They *do* like to be patronizing about the self control of their serfs...
Hey! That’s a pretty good scam. Burn out and loot these businesses, engage in industrial level shoplifting, shoot the employees, and then get the state to compensate you because these businesses cannot afford to operate in these communities, and then get the state to compensate the perpetrators.
Fixing the current structural harms going forward is the ONLY solution. If that’s too many to tally, then get started like pronto and keep going. You can only eat an elephant one bite at a time.
The specific individual harms simply can’t be money taken from people who weren’t slaveowners and given to people who weren’t slaves.
"You can only eat an elephant one bite at a time."
I suspect reparations discussions are part of what the Japanese call 'nemawashi,' laying the groundwork. The ultimate goal is socialism for everyone, the obvious solution given that 'money taken from people who weren’t slaveowners and given to people who weren’t slaves' is never going to fly. Socialism for everyone? We're already half way there.
Point: That is highly plausible.
Counterpoint: This task force is composed of stunning imbeciles.
You can easily make an argument for either.
" stunning imbeciles"
I prefer stunning imbeciles to ugly ones.
If that your defense of the task force? How lousy of you.
I am not defending the task force, of which I know nothing. I have no skin in this game. I am revealing their ultimate goal. In case you didn't get the first time, it's not reparations for blacks, it's socialism for everyone.
Remember, the asshole known as trueman admits:
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
There are a lot of bytes wasted covering a childlike fantasy that has zero chance of becoming reality.
Hey, the commission has some good ideas, okay! It's not pure nonsense:
Require and fund the statewide planting of trees to create shade equity and minimize heat islands in Black neighborhoods.
Good. Ideas.
Balkanization of the U.S. population. BTW, the federal reserve bought muni bonds during Covid. It seems to me that bankrupt democrat cities got a big off radar bailout. Is everything better in Chicago, NYC, Baltimore, Philly? Where did all that money go?
"Roughly 80,000 people who were interned in camps in the 1940s have been paid a total sum of $1.6 billion by the U.S. government, or $20,000 per person in 1988—$50,000 each in today's dollars."
of note for those who like the idea of reparations.... notice how those in the camps were the ones compensated that amount.... not every single one of their descendants. if they were dead, it is to be assumed that their descendants got a portion of that amount, not the entire amount for each individual descendant.
and that is the biggest problem with the reparations crowd. they do not understand that if you want to pay for what was done, you have to pay based on who it was done to.... and if you are trickling that down to their descendants because nobody it was done to is still alive, the amount is DIVIDED among those descendants.... if you have decided that the past evil of slavery is worth $223k, then you divide that money up among all the descendants of those slaves. thinking you can pay everyone the same amount today for what was done generations ago is the critical flaw of those who keep pushing reparations.... because that isn't making reparations, it is just blindly throwing money around.
it is just blindly throwing money around.
Yes, and…?
Most people alive in 1988 were born after the 1940's. Why did they have to pay?
not really arguing in favor of that, just pointing out the difference. what they are trying to call reparations has no foundation in who was actually wronged.
I was just reading about the reparations paid by Britain when it ended slavery in the 1830s. Some 20 million pounds, paid to the slave owners.
“This represented around 40 per cent of the British Treasury’s annual spending budget, and has been calculated as equivalent to around £16.5bn in today’s terms. Approximately half went to absentee landlords in the UK, while the rest went to slave-owners in Africa and the West Indies. The largest total amount paid in compensation was to Sir John Gladstone, 1st Baronet, father of prime minister William Gladstone, who was paid £106,769 (today worth £83m) in compensation for losing his 2,508 slaves used across nine plantations.”
Some of this money was in annuities which continued to be paid until 2015, and dig this, reparations to the descendants of slave owners had come in part from taxes paid by the descendants of slaves, I shit you not.
Very rarely, trueman is NOT full of shit:
“Some of this money was in annuities which continued to be paid until 2015, and dig this, reparations to the descendants of slave owners had come in part from taxes paid by the descendants of slaves, I shit you not.”
There is a certain symmetry in the current proposal:
“Black Slave Owners”
https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/black-slave-owners
So, if our great great great grand whatever owned slaves can his descendants get paid by the US government for its freeing the slaves without paying the slave owners?
What about bi-racial people like Thomas Jefferson's black descendants, will they be obligated to pay themselves for their forefathers crimes?
No, I was referring to the reparations paid by the British government when slavery was abolished in the 1830s. Reread my comment above for more info. The US slave owners could be viewed as beneficiaries of the civil war by the system of wage slavery supplanting chattel slavery. The work force is now responsible for feeding, clothing and housing itself and the disciplining of the work force is off loaded to various state funded agencies like the police, the courts and prisons.
Never thought I'd see slavery argued as more altruistic than wages...but here we are.
It's a question of being responsible for your work force 8 hours a day as opposed to 24 hours a day. Do the math. 24 is bigger than 8.
Where have people worked for 24 hours? Not even slaves underwent that. That's disingenuous of you.
Let's deal with this from principle rather than utility:
1) Under what provision of the US or any States' constitutions have any of those governments given the authority to distribute taxpayer money to the decendents of any class of people?
2) ERA.
Wilson’s federal reserve act. Printing money and hyperinflation are part of the plan, hits purchasing power for mainly working class people. BTW, the San Francisco fed dropped the ball on SVB due to new fed mandates on equity and climate.
And here we all thought that the commie comptroller of the currency was a one off appointee.
One additional comment:
Many of the slave owners raped the slaves, meaning many in the south, seemingly "white", will have an identifiable portion of Negroid DNA. And they would be the descendants of slave holders.
How many drops?
Yes, let's ignore that California never had slavery and was refuge for Blacks because other places treated them so terribly. There are 15,754,608 Mexicans in California and the USA started the Mexican American War to take Alta Mexico from the Mexicans. If anyone is owed reparations, it would be the Mexicans (and indigenous people).
If we treat Mexicans equitably, we owe them $3,513,277,584,000. That is three trillion five hundred thirteen billion two hundred seventy-seven million five hundred eighty-four thousand dollars.
OK, here's the real solution: Mandatory Miscegenation. Every Black person must marry a White person. This way each Black person will have everything he/she would have had if there had been no slavery.
The government will establish a system whereby it determines the degree to which is Black person is Black and then they will be married to a corresponding White person. This is easy for Blacks who are 100% Black as they can be married to 100% Aryans.
It's get a little complicated when the percentages are confused. If some one with a slaver forefather is 45% Black, do they qualify? If so, are they Black or White?
They qualify, but will have to pay their black self from their white self's money.
What about recent naturalized black immigrants from an African nation that never kept ancestry records?
OK, here’s the real solution: Mandatory Miscegenation. Every Black person must marry a White person. This way each Black person will have everything he/she would have had if there had been no slavery.
LOL, this was actually the logic behind school busing initatives. "Mix up white kids and black kids, and the black kids will do better because they're around the white kids!"
"OK, here’s the real solution: Mandatory Miscegenation. "
If Americans had any sense, they would have long ago voluntarily miscengenated themselves into a coffee colored mass. Instead, they didn't and there's not a single issue of consequence that doesn't divide the nation along racial lines.
How about individuals not take race into account when it comes to marriage? That's not what you're proposing.
Don't worry, California is losing population, but there are still al lot of taxpayers to bilk from their money, both black and white, as Black people will have to pay taxes for this too.
Can't we just give Black Californians the other 30 percent of roles in TV commercials and consider it debt paid?
Also, should the Democrats EXCLUSIVELY paying the reparations?
I saw this in a cartoon. "All races are equal, except some races are more equal."
As long as the Federal government does not have to pay then like Nike says "JUST DO IT". Let California taxpayers open their wallets even more. I wonder how many more people will leave the state?
But California will be glad to take Federal funds to aid flood victims in areas they admit they’ve ignored. Could it be that it’s because many of the people there are Hispanic?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/04/01/california-floods-pajaro-migrant-farmworkers/
I can see the Thomas decision right now “What don’t you understand about discrimination based on race being illegal in this country?” To CA. It very likely violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amdt, as well as several of the Civil Rights Acts. At least with the Japanese Internment payments, they were compensating actual victims of government malfeasance. Here, it’s purely a race based payout based on political considerations, guaranteeing their loyalty for another generation.
Which is what I think is going on – political pandering to a very important Dem constituency, that most of their leaders know is illegal, and thus, they won’t have to bankrupt the (already bankrupt) state to fulfill. Most anyone with a law degree knows that it is illegal. No matter – the Dems can blame their failure to produce all these goodies to their black constituents on the evil Republicans. Never mind that the primary reasons behind most of the problems that Blacks are facing in CA on their own idiotic policies (such as enabling BLM burning out and looting the stores that server their communities, refusing to prosecute Black criminals, etc). The blame will be squarely placed on the GOP for thwarting the largess promised by the Dems.