Social Security Will Be Insolvent by 2033
New data from the program's trustees show that insolvency will hit a year sooner than previously expected, giving policy makers just a decade before automatic benefit cuts occur.

Social Security will be insolvent even sooner than previously expected, with automatic benefit cuts now projected to occur in 2033, according to a new report released Friday by the program's trustees.
The new projections underscore the limited time that's available for policy makers to deal with the fiscal problems that are quickly rotting away America's old-age entitlement program. The more quickly approaching insolvency date also draws a stark contrast with leaders of both major political parties—including President Joe Biden, former President Donald Trump, and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.)—who have all, at times, promised not to touch Social Security during the ongoing negotiations over raising the nation's debt ceiling.
Ignoring the ticking clock won't make it run slower. In fact, Friday's report shows that Social Security's finances have gotten worse over the past year. The Trustees say that a combination of inflation and a worsening economic outlook for the coming years contributed to their more pessimistic projections.
If nothing changes, Social Security benefits will be subject to a 23 percent cut in a decade.
Though policy makers have been aware of the potential insolvency of Social Security for decades, it's no longer a problem that will affect Americans in the distant future. It's now something that will be a major disruption to many current workers nearing retirement and lots of the country's current retirees.
Since any changes to shore up Social Security's bottom line will likely require huge tax increases or changes to how benefits are paid, policy makers are also running out of time to implement those changes in ways that don't cause major disruptions to the economy and Americans' retirement plans.
"The Trustees continue to recommend that Congress address the projected trust fund shortfalls in a timely fashion to phase in necessary changes gradually," acting Social Security Commissioner Kilolo Kijakazi said in a statement accompanying Friday's report. "With informed discussion, creative thinking, and timely legislative action, Social Security can continue to protect future generations."
Sadly, there's not much of any of those things in Congress these days. But creative thinking, in particular, is what Social Security needs. Much of the program's fiscal strain is the result of America's demographic changes since Social Security was created in 1935. Back then, the average life expectancy for Americans was 61. That means the average person died four years before qualifying for benefits. Now, with Americans living to an average age of 72 and older Americans being generally more financially well off than younger generations, Social Security operates like a perverse conveyer belt that transfers money from young workers to relatively wealthier retirees.
The most straightforward solution to Social Security's problem is to raise the payroll taxes that fund the program to make up for the shortfall on the benefit side of the ledger. But that would only exacerbate the problem by placing a bigger burden on younger, generally poorer workers.
According to the report, Social Security could be kept afloat for the next 75 years by hiking the payroll tax by 4.15 percentage points in 2034 (or implementing a smaller increase sooner). The payroll tax is currently charged at a 16.5 percent rate, with employers and employees each covering half. That works out to a nearly 25 percent tax hike. Alternatively, the report says, benefits could be cut by about 25 percent.
It's understandable why politicians are unwilling to choose between those equally unappealing options. But the current trend of ensuring—lying, really—to the electorate that nothing needs to be done must end.
There are some signs that it might. Sens. Bill Cassidy (R–La.) and Angus King (I–Maine), along with a small group of colleagues, are holding preliminary discussions about potential policy changes for Social Security. Semafor reported last month that the group is considering ideas like raising the retirement age to 70, changing the formula used to determine an individual's benefit payments, and raising the cap on the payroll tax, among other things. Even though the group has not presented anything resembling a fleshed-out plan, they've already been attacked for allegedly leading a "trojan horse" attempt at cutting benefits.
That's an indication of how fraught any attempt at staving off insolvency will be. Nonetheless, America needs a real conversation about Social Security's future—about whether it makes sense for everyone over 67 to get benefits even if they're wealthy, especially if it means a tax hike on current workers struggling to make ends meet.
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where is the line for the "don't care just fucking scrap it already" vote?
I'd be all in if they actually refunded what I've paid over the decades.
I mean, I'd have done way the hell better just dumping that into an index fund.
they can have it I'll fucking walk. end it today, on this Happy Trans Day of Visibility
Same. I'm not seeing any of it *anyway* so at least they'd stop pulling money out of my paycheck *now*.
Good thing my retirement plan is already just a .45 WinMag to the temple.
Messy. I'm going with gas asphyxiation.
Yeah, I cared about not being messy before, but at this point I really don't.
Yeah, I already assume the 30 years I’ve paid has already been flushed down the drain. Just want them to stop bleeding me now.
I'm already collecting. For now.
I’m a little more optimistic. My plan is to fight rats in a gutter for a Snicker’s Bar.
(It was going to be a Mars Bar, but M&M/Mars doesn’t make them any more in the U.S. and what they call a Mars Bar in the U.K. is what we call a Milky Way. Pity. The U.S. Mars Bar had nougat and whole almonds. Delicious!)
*Sigh!* Lowered Expectations
https://youtu.be/3flv5nWZgII
Yeah, I already assume the 30 years I've paid has already been flushed down the drain. Just want them to stop bleeding me now.
Will have paid max into it for 30 years. Expecting dems to fuck me over and give me nothing.
That's the most likely outcome. SS will be scrapped and replaced with a means-tested welfare program for the elderly, and affluent people who have paid in will get a big Fuck You.
They’re literally celebrating mental illness.
Honestly, I'd be completely okay with continuing to pay up if that's what it takes to wind the program down. Butt fuck me if you want, just don't fuck my kids and their kids. Let it stop with me.
Yeah; And give me back all that tax money too!!
Problem is; it's already spent. It *all* was a fraudulent scheme of armed-theft.
Reparations!! isnt that the new fad?
Reparations for all the deductions that otherwise would never be paid back - oh, and another mil or so just because.
The only way this wouldnt work is because it would be a payout to generations that actually paid a price. We only consider reparations for the coddled subsequent generations that dont want to work and pay in to the system
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We need to abolish Social Security before it goes bankrupt to prevent it from going bankrupt.
+10000000 or put in specific terms.
We need to abolish socialism before it bankrupts the USA.
We need to abolish Social Security because it was a monumentally bad idea. The fact that it's going bankrupt (and there is absolutely nothing that can be done to stop it) is merely evidence that the idea was so bad.
Ah, but the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth has started already, even without any talk about Social Security!
Get a load of this article below:
Women Are Sharing The Ways Inflation Has “Ruined” Their Lives, And It’s Heartbreaking “Dating. It’s a hard reality I’m faced with, but as I get older, I’m starting to accept that a lack of financial responsibility should be a deal breaker for me for long-term relationships.” by Morgan Sloss BuzzFeed Staffhttps://www.buzzfeed.com/morgansloss1/inflation-ruined-womens-lives-reddit
Sooo…Inflation, the ultimate tax that is both progressive and regressive at the same time…
The black hole vortex that makes the rich poor and the poor even poorer…
The swarm of locusts that consumes the seed corn, the bumper crop, and the daily meal all at the same time…
The concrete-eating termite hive that has destroyed empires…
The Plague Bell-ringing harbinger of Nazi, Fascist, and Communist dictatorships…
The Conquer Worm that destroys and consumes everything it touches…
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This is beyond First World Problems. This is Starship Federation Problems on board Voyager with these young biddies! These ditzy harpies are the living that will envy the dead when they hear about Social Security!
Inflation screws the poor much harder than the rich. Outside of Scrooge McDuck and Richie Rich cartoons, rich people don't have giant silos full of dollar bills. Real rich people hold most of their wealth in appreciating assets such as real estate and corporate stock, shielding them from the worst of inflation. Middle and lower income people are more likely to keep any savings they're lucky enough to have in dollar-denominated savings accounts. Plus, wages often rise more slowly than inflation, especially at the bottom of the scale. Even if all wages were pegged to inflation, nobody would be making more in terms of actual buying power, they'd just have bigger numbers on their paychecks and their bills.
Glad I don’t depend on Social Security.
What's the projected date for insolvency after some wise and benevolent federal judge decrees that all "senior" in Central and South America can also draw SS pension checks?
2033. They don't live that long down there.
Why not extend it to the whole world?
SF is trying to do so with "reparations".
Trillions of dollars poured in but it won't make it past 100 years. Pays out 1/3rd of what you get by 'risking' it in market 'indexes'; people could have options to retire at 60 and STILL get MORE than they would get from Uncle Sam, even if they maxed out at age 70. But only 1 out of a million people understand how cruel and evil this PONZI scheme truly is, in part due too sites like Reason talking about 'extending' this crime by hiking rates, raising retirement age etc.
The rate should never rise. Since it is all paid for with current economic activity at current rates of inflation the funding and spending should be kept in line with the cost of living. The retirement age should rise along with life expectancy. If I remember correctly, retirement age was set 2 or 3 years earlier than life expectancy when the program was implemented. While I don't think it should rise that much, it also isn't sustainable to pay everyone for an average of 10+ years after retirement.
The program does outright need to be scrapped and was never constitutionally justified. A libertarian outlet arguing for raising taxes and other theft measures to keep this program solvent is dumb
Actually a bit of a misunderstanding of statistics there. Figures for life expectancy are usually listed as life expectancy at birth. Figures from the past were typically dragged down by high rates of infant and child mortality. Those who survived to adulthood could reasonably expect to live to seventy or eighty, a figure that hasn't changed much over the course of known history. Calculating for life expectancy at oh, say, 20 would be a lot more useful, since this would exclude young people who died before entering the work force, much less living to collect any kind of old-age benefit.
Statistics can be hugely valuable, but it's important to understand the full context. It's also important to remember that "average" and "typical" may be very different things, especially if you have a fair number of outliers distorting the figures. For instance, if I told you that a group of 100 people had an average net worth of one billion dollars, you'd probably imagine a group of highly successful entrepreneurs and investors. But, the figure could also accurately describe a group consisting of Bill Gates and 99 homeless people.
…. and a worsening economic outlook for the coming years….;/I>
How did that happen? Hmmm?
(D)
Much as I'd love to see SS wound down and replaced with IRAs, I think we're pinning too many hopes on it becoming insolvent. The Trust Fund running out only matters if you still believe the SSS is an independent agency rather than just a part of the federal government.
In years past, excess payroll taxes got rolled into the general fund and paid for whatever goofy thing Congress wanted. Today it's the reverse: payroll taxes cover most of the benefits and the remainder is made up by cashing T-bills, which takes money out of the general fund. In essence, we're paying SS benefits through a combination of payroll taxes, general taxes, and borrowing by the regular government.
Some day in '32 we run out of T-bills. So what? Congress can continue paying SS benefits using a combination of payroll taxes, general taxes, and borrowing. We just drop the SS Trust Fund fiction. From a cash flow perspective, it makes no difference whether we're moving T-bills around or not.
The real issue is when we can't borrow enough on the open market to cover the SS benefits. And that could happen before or after the Trust Fund is exhausted.
IRAs? What about USAs? Unlimited Savings Accounts. Save as much you like per year, tax free. Take out as much as want per year, no age limits, no early withdrawal penalties, tax free.
Or in other words, like Americans had it from 1789 to 1913 with no income taxes.
Ask your Congressional representatives! I did. Also, medical savings accounts with the same rules. I got four long letters saying, "no." They won't give up the tax money and don't think we are smart enough to take care of our own money.
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Well, it matters somewhat that it is running out: until 2033, you can make the argument that the program was at least self funded. Spending other taxes on it is a big change.
You could make that argument. And make a fool of yourself. There are no other taxes and all taxes and fees from whatever source paid to the United States go directly to the US Treasury. All debts of the United States are paid directly from the US Treasury. Whether it's your tax refund or your social security payment. Your employer collects income taxes and payroll from employees and pays the total due to the US Treasury. There is no mechanism to pay a tax to the SS trust fund because it is a fiction. Nobody is paying "other taxes" to fund Grandma's SS. In fact the opposite is the case. Congress spent your payroll tax to impeach Trump and fund their proxy war in Ukraine and fight the WOD and investigate parents at school board meetings and pay for drag shows at military bases and drop bombs on Syria and Vietnam and censor misinformation and mandate Covid vaccines. It fact your retirement contributions were already spent before they were confiscated from you. Neither the trust fund nor the Treasury has any real assets. Both are insolvent.
Americans hold about $11 trillion in US government debt (T-bills, bonds) in their private retirement accounts and pension plans. Congress also already spent all that money.
Americans hold about $2.4 trillion in private bond debt in their private retirement accounts and pension plans. The companies issuing those bonds have also already spent all that money.
The $2.8 trillion dollars in the Social Security Trust Fund is in the same category as other US government issued bonds. It is treated the same way for calculating the debt, and the US government is obligated to pay it back the same way. Should if fail to do so, that's a default like any other.
Financially, US government bonds are a lousy investment for long term retirement planning because of the low returns, but the money is no more and no less "gone" or "fictitious" than any other government debt obligation.
In fact, short of stuffing the money under your mattress, there is little you can do with it other than give it to people who will spend it all on the promise of giving you back more later.
When I am saying that "until 2033, you can make the argument that the program was at least self funded", that means that until 2033, Social Security spending is fully covered by incoming FICA taxes and by drawing down the Social Security trust fund.
What changes in 2033 is that the federal government has repaid all the debt it has taken on in the Trust Fund. That is important for two reasons. First, any legal obligation the US government had to pay back money has ended. Second, that is the date at which Social Security for the first time in history will have to be subsidized by other taxes if it isn't cut or if FICA taxes aren't raised.
About when I am plan to retire.
Social Security will never run out of money, because Social Security is the government, and the government can print as much money as it wants to. And what better reason to print money than the Security of our Society, namely, our old and disabled people?
The Social Security trust fund is the money the government owes itself for Social Security, for the people. So one way the government can double its money is just by canceling its debt to itself. Boom: the trust fund can last twice as long as before. Further, since it can borrow an infinite amount of money from itself, then the trust fund has (theoretically) an infinite amount of money.
The better question to as is: given an infinite amount of money, why is the payout so small?
And the answer is: because Republicans hate disabled and old people.
I still remember that viral video that caught one of those Bushes I think pushing that crippled old lady off the cliff. That was it for me. I've only voted for Democrats since then. Except that time I voted for Bill Weld. But only because he endorsed Hillary.
It’s really astounding just how ignorant you are regarding basic economics and the money supply - no doubt a big Bernie Sanders follower.
From the logic of why did the stimulus checks stop? Barkeep, another 2K for everyone!
given an infinite amount of money, why is the payout so small?
Because the supply of goods and services on which to spend the money is not infinite.
If the Government prints more money to prop up this nonexistent "Social Security Trust Fund,"--which was spent up on LBJ's "War On Poverty" long ago and is just a pile of IOUs--then the money paid to beneficiaries would be worth less in purchasing power! That is why the payout is so small! You Big Dummy!
Sanford Dummy Reel
https://youtu.be/moYdbNXBwvk
All money is just IOUs.
LOL! Joe Biden, the democrats and the Washington generals will make sure your IRAs aren't worth shit either.
What do you mean, “will?” It’s now.
Yeah the US Treasury is 31 trillion in debt and it's only asset is the full faith and credit of the US Treasury. The United States is insolvent Eric. These "trust funds" you're so worried about are worth exactly what they have always been worth and always will be worth. Exactly zero USD. The year 2030 is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is whether or not anyone will be interested in buying our ever expanding debt something that looks less likely as time goes by. Looks like half of the civilized world has decided they don't really need dollars all that much. The shit is hitting the fan and you're worried about an accountant entry.
Agree. The pool of suckers around the world willing to risk buying US Treasuries seems to be shrinking by the day. The Biden Administration’s seizure of Russian assets and freezing them out of the Bank of International Settlements sent a strong wake up call to the world. They have had enough of the bully.
SS has never been "solvent", since day one. There has never been any SS fund to invest and increase like a real retirement system has to, just a pile of IOUs from the biggest debtor in history. Fuck FDR, and fuck everyone who's promulgated this lie since the '30s.
-jcr
+1
It was "solvent" in the sense that at least the spending was covered by the dedicated tax plus interest from the T bills.
After 2033, it requires subsidies from other taxes, which is a big change.
It's been subsidized for a dozen years already, since 2010.
No, it hasn’t been “subsidized”. Right now, the total quantity of money that has ever been paid into the system, together with current revenues from FICA taxes, are still sufficient to cover the current payouts. And that will continue to be true until 2033.
What changed in 2010 is that the total amount raised by FICA was insufficient to cover current payouts. That meant that Social Security had to start taking money out of the trust fund, and the way they did that was basically by taking out a loan against their own money (similar to a loan against a 401k holding T-bills). But that does not yet amount to a subsidy of social security benefits from general funds, since there is no net burden on taxpayers.
But in 2033, the trust fund will be used up. At that point, the only money available for payouts is the money coming in from FICA. At that point, if benefits are not adjusted downwards or FICA is raised, general funds will have to be used to maintain payouts at promised levels.
Federal tax receipts are running at around 4 trillion per annum. Biden is proposing a 6.8 trillion budget. Total SS cost for 2022 was 1.2 trillion. We could eliminate SS tomorrow and still have a 1.6 trillion debt "burden" on the taxpayers. People want to cling to the idea that government accounting is somehow similar to business accounting and it can somehow be reconciled. It can't be. It is a complete fiction.
T-bills and Treasury bonds are well-defined debt obligations. They are properly accounted for and must be repaid, or else the US government defaults.
The Social Security Trust Fund operates the same way: it operates no different from government bonds in your 401(k). It is a debt obligation the US government has to repay, with interest.
And, yes, we can use that to reason about the Social Security system as a retirement system. For example, right now and until 2033, it has not actually lost money and has not been a burden on US tax payers beyond the FICA contributions, any more than the government bonds in your 401(k) are a burden on US tax payers.
Interest on a fictional T Bill paid to a fictional trust fund by a broke Treasury that just adds more to the national debt. The payroll tax has always subsidised other taxes and vis versa. Irrelevant nonsense.
I am not sure why libertarians and other free marketers would WANT the government to fix the Social Security entitlement program. What the looming insolvency prediction means to me is that people who rely on Social Security have less than ten years to make alternative arrangements in anticipation of an at least 23% cut in their benefits. The pyramid scheme that has been perpetrated by the government on a gullible public over the last eighty years is water under the bridge. Nothing will ever recover the lost money paid into the system by employed people. There is nothing whatever people can do to transfer their "fund" share into a private mechanism now because there is no money in the "fund" - only IOUs.
This article apparently comes from the "Libertarians for propping up government-run pyramid schemes" desk.
Social Security is not an "entitlement". It is something that has been paid for by every worker and employer who pays taxes. This isn't a gift of government largesse. This is money that retirees (and future retirees) are owed because of the "deal" we were forced into at gunpoint. Calling it an "entitlement" is insulting.
It does seem like the easiest solution is to remove the cap on income that is taxed for it.
Nope. It's a scam. It was supposed to be a fund but even the perpetrators knew at the time they implemented it that it would not remain a fund. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry when referring to "Trustees." But in any event it is now an entitlement in which money is transferred from young working people to older "retired" people.
If you remove the cap inn taxes, are you also going to remove the cap on payouts?
Or are you just one of those "tax the rich” Libertarians?
If you get more out than you paid in it’s an entitlement. Or more precisely a welfare program. For most participants today they’ll get out more than they paid in, assuming it gets fully funded.
You're forced to pay other taxes at gunpoint too. Why did you think the government was going to honor this?
‘Social’ism Security is FAILING?????
Well; It won’t be the first time and most likely won't be the last especially with 1/2 the nation still thinking it’ll save us all. The real question is just how UGLY it will be allowed to make this nation before people let it go and start supporting Liberty and Justice again.
Something about those who won't learn from history are bound to repeat it.
with automatic benefit cuts now projected to occur in 2033,
I don't know why we persist in pretending this will happen. Benefits won't drop a bit.
It will eventually by the very forces of nature.
You can't squeeze lemon from imaginary lemons.
I'm sure the German Nazi's and the USSR never thought their empires would ever just fall apart either. It will be a miracle if the USA doesn't follow suite with its unsustainable debt.
This.
No country lasts forever. Nations (peoples / cultures / languages / religions) may, but the governments all eventually fall. I was hoping the USA might do better than the Romans, but given the spending and cultural fragmentation, I'm not so sure.
Very sad to see it happen.
We haven't come close to as long as Rome managed. Oh well.
Some argue that Western Civilization today is just a continuation of the Roman Empire.
"Social Security Will Be Insolvent by 2033"
SS was an idiotic proposal when the idiot FDR pitched it; it has never been otherwise.
Take it out behind the barn and kill it with a pitch-fork.
You mean by 2023. It's already insolvent. If you have to pay back your early investors with funds from your new investors, you're a Ponzi scheme. Shut it down, sell off all the buildings and office equipment, and return what's left in proportion to what was taken from the victims.
Until 2033, It’s a solvent Ponzi scheme.
After that, it requires a bailout from other taxes.
That’s the difference.
It was never a Ponzi scheme. It was an annuity program. And it worked financially. But people started living longer and the “premiums” weren’t adjusted enough.
Short version: We're effed.
I should be dead by then, so not a real problem for me. Just like the politicians in Congress and the old guy in the oval office, most will be dead by then or out of office so they don’t care either. The ones in Congress at the time will start to work on it a few months before the 2032 elections. They want votes.
"Semafor reported last month that the group is considering ideas like raising the retirement age to 70,"
Ask the French how popular that is.
Just tax democrat political contributions at 300%.
Democrat voters. They want this shit, they can support it.
You're missing the *VERY* point it's by Gov-Guns.
It's not about supporting their own sh*t; It's about Gov-Gun "armed-theft" of those icky people.
Otherwise; It would just be another voluntary 'insurance' group.
But AOC promised we'd all be dead from climate change by 2030, so it's moot, right?
It really is an apocalypse cult.
Self-fulfilling ideology of "conquer and consume".
Start by removing the taxable ceiling on FICA tax calculations while leaving a ceiling on earnings counted toward retirement. This keeps all earners paying into the system while shifting some of the cost to higher earners. That would probably extend it for 50 years.
And the justification for this is… what?
And do you think that’s not without consequences?
If my taxes go up an extra 6%, I’ll retire a few years early. That will cost the federal government a lot more in taxes than it gained from the extra FICA contributions.
Why not just raise income tax rates to 80%?
Hear, hear!! A man with conviction, courage, and an unwavering sense of man’s dedication to right. Except – except – who the hell will still be working when taxes get anywhere close to 80%. I suppose the government could assess you for an imputed amount that would equal 80% of what you could be earning if you were still working, but then collection becomes a little difficult, not to say dangerous. I'd really like to see the government try that, because I have a pretty good stash of popcorn to consume while I watch the drama unfold. (I really enjoy fresh popcorn with melted butter while I watch dramas.)
European countries have 50% tax on the middle class, plus 20-25% VAT or sales tax. That's not quite 80%, but it's over 60%. And it's on much of the middle class (the European systems are far less progressive than the US system).
It leads to a stagnant economy, social problems, and widespread unhappiness. But people don't have a choice but to pay it.
Why not eliminate taxes and fund the entire government by printing money?
We're seeing how that works out right now.
Not sure what "insolvent" means when the debtor prints its own money, but SS has been cash flow negative for a dozen years already. Enough with the Trust Fund charade already.
It means that eventually people stop accepting the green paper as being worth anything. Hello, Zimbabwe!
Maybe we'll be lucky and get "Snow Crash" instead.
The Social Security Program is popular and has the political support it needs to remain. Demographic shift in the Republican party also point to greater support for SS. So, the idea of scraping the program is really a non-starter.
What is needed is an effort to mold the program to better fit goal for the current century. That mean taking a hard look at that the program and its importance to people. Then putting all ideas out there for consideration. The biggest problem we may have is the limited options offered. What I most often hear is cut benefits or raise payroll tax. If those are the only options then reform is dead in the water at the start.
Here are a few things to consider when thinking about SS. About 30% of the people start collecting at 62 years and many likely do this because they cannot work a full-time schedule until 65. People talking about raising the retirement age are often in jobs that allow them to work longer. They are likely wealthier and have less need for the benefits so delaying them cost them nothing. People could theoretically get a better rate of return with private investments, but it is not clear that they could do that in real life.
About 30% of the people start collecting at 62 years
And the rest are foolish. It makes no sense to wait for "full retirement age". Start collecting as soon as you can.
When people talk about “scrapping the system”, what they mean is:
(1) a transition for people currently depending on the system; e.g., if you’re over 45, your taxes and benefits don’t change
(2) “scrapping it” means privatizing it, like most of the European systems are; individuals would still continue paying something that looks like FICA taxes, but it would be invested beyond the reach of Treasury and politicians, and it could be invested globally, not just in useless and risky US government debt
That's not what I mean. I mean actually scrapping SS and replacing it with a means-tested welfare program for the elderly funded from general revenue. Yes, a tax increase would be required.
I'd best get my post apocalyptic war machine running.
Good luck getting a new welfare program through Congress.
They won't have a real choice.
We have a welfare system already for the general public; why have a separate one for the elderly?
But a welfare system for the elderly isn’t going to be good enough because its spending is going to spiral out of control just like Social Security.
The antidote to that is well known: mandatory private retirement systems whose benefits adjust based on returns. Pay the 15.3% into a regulated private plan, or maybe into a 401(k) plan with limited, fairly safe investment options. The objective is to force people to save but get the money out of the grubby hands of government.
I'm not saying that those are libertarian options, just that they are better options than what we have right now, and that they work elsewhere.
We have a welfare system already for the general public
No, we don't. Haven't since the Clinton administration.
If this is what people mean they should say so because it not really clear what they mean. And that is part of the problem.
That would be the common sense response to this problem. However, I know of no politician that has common sense.
How about you all learn how to stop "planning" to STEAL and spend other people's money?????
Social Security will be out of government IOUs by 2033. Social Security HAS BEEN insolvent for decades.
Social Security has no more been insolvent than anybody who has kept their money in T-bills and Treasury bonds is insolvent.
US government debt is highly liquid and safe, and that's all the Social Security trust fund is.
Letting the Government borrow money via T-Bills and T-Bonds is like loaning money to a mentally infirm crack addict. The only way it can pay you back is to rob you first.
Loaning money to yourself does not create an asset. Try going to your mortgage bank with that kind of BS.
The Treasury has to borrow/print money to redeem your T-Bills, just like they have to borrow/print money to pay SS or any of the rest of the 43% of their spending they don't get in revenues.
Wife and I worked hard our whole lives, still both put in standard 55hr weeks. Saved our money and didn't buy all the toys or take vacations to the Caribbean. Now we are a few years from retirement, debt free and raise a garden to can for the winter. If they cut of SS it won't bother us at all. Too bad all those poor people decided to buy that big screen tv, bass boat, atv, brand new suv and camper blowing all that money.
Most Americans never had "all that money" to blow. Your attitude is typical of upper-middle-class Americans who have no idea what life is like for the other 80%.
Upper middle class? what a tool. how about growing up in a single parent household on welfare and wearing hand me downs. Putting bread bags in my boots during the winter to keep my feet warm and wearing mittens my grandmother knitted. I grew up the grandchild of people that lived through the Great Depression and my grandfather went ashore at Normandy so screw you with the upper middle class nonsense. It's called being responsible for yourself and not expecting someone else to take care of you
Yeah, no one admits to being “upper-middle-class”. Strangely, in this country, almost everyone is biased towards thinking they’re average or typical. The working poor insist they’re “middle class”; the very well off deny they’re rich; and people safely in the top 10% or 20% launch into their My Daddy Walked Uphill in the Snow to Normandy story when accused of affluence. Why are people offended at being accused of success?
Great to hear! I am hoping the next place I live will have space for a garden.
Perhaps those folks who bought all those vehicles could fish, hunt, and RV dwell. That is another great, fun retirement option for those who can maintain them.
Sounds like Dante's Inferno just got another level of hell.
If there was such a place, I'd hope it's warm enough to grow tomatoes year round! As long as the frost doesn't touch them, tomatoes can go on indefinitely!
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I saw this coming some time ago and retired at age 62. I've saved and made sure the social security payments weren't my sole source of income. That meant living in a house that was paid for and driving a truck that was also paid for and generally living within my means. I was talking to a guy the other day and he was my age and was complaining about the high interest rate on the Benz he just bought for his wife and how they are looking to sell their house that was paid off to move to the exclusive part of town. I said it must be nice to pay cashier a house in that neighbourhood. He says "oh I have a mortgage, but I got a good rate. It was hard not to laugh. I won't feel sorry if that guy gets his social security cut.
I can't understand why no proposed solution is ever simply raising the retirement age. My mother in law retired at 62, and now she is 89. She didn't have to retire at 62, she could easily have kept working to 70 at least, she just didn't want to work anymore and society doesn't see quitting work at 62 just cuz as being crappy like collecting welfare just cuz, because it's "our money" and not an entitlement program. So MIL is approaching 30 years collecting social security, I'm not at all sure she worked much more than 30 years in her life, so for her, and a lot of other people, yes it is an entitlement program. But you can still start collecting at 62, just the same as when the program started.
Whether it's possible to continue working into old age depends on what type of work you do and the state of your health. For most people, continuing to work past today's "full retirement age" is not realistic—they're just physically unable to. Another factor is that employers just don't want old people. Raising the retirement age will just put more people into destitution if they simply can't work or if no one will hire them.
If only that would mean the end of it for good. Stop selling each generation into indentured servitude to the prior one at greater expense for each subsequent generation.