Brickbat: This Burns Me Up

California's Bay Area Air Quality Management District has voted to phase out the sale of new natural gas furnaces and water heaters in the nine-county Bay Area. The new rules will ban the sale of residential natural gas water heaters after 2027 and large commercial natural gas water heaters after 2031. The rules would ban the sale of natural gas furnaces after 2029.  "The 1.8 million water heaters and furnaces in the Bay Area significantly impact our air quality, resulting in dozens of early deaths and a wide range of health impacts, particularly in communities of color," said Philip Fine, the agency's executive officer.

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[Adans smith]

All electric homes, all electric cars, over capacity grid. Seems legit.

[Mickey Rat]

Whether or this is feasible is not the problem of politicians. They have made their decree for doing tge "right thing", consequences be damned.

[Brandybuck]

I'm converting my natural gas furnace to a heat pump. All electric. Why? Price of natural gas heating, the only natural gas use I have in my home, is 75% of my utility bill. It's crazy high here.

It's not about the new law, or the scare over natural gas poisonings, it's just cheaper.

And the old furnace won't work without electricity anyway, because the electronics are... electronic. So I would get neither if I get a blackout.

[Brandybuck]

This does NOT mean I am defending this move. Gas stoves are still vastly superior to electric.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

So I would get neither if I get a blackout.

Generac. Totally worth it.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Generac runs on natural gas or propane.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

Which isn't affected by a blackout.

[Longtobefree]

Both are affected by democrats.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

+1

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[B G]

SF is the city where, when Gavin Newsom was mayor, was having brownouts and cheering on Newsom's pledge to prevent the construction of any neew power plants anywhere in the area that he had any authority over.

It's unclear whether the actual objective is to force everyone to use only ("renewable" sourced) electricity for all energy needs, or if the plan is to make the area unlivable until the population reduces to the point where the remaining rich folks will be left unable to find anyone to work as their domestic servants.

Meanwhile, Texas has twice the capacity in wind power alone (which I'm guessing they sell to CA at a fat mark-up considering utility rates in TX are about 40% of what they are in CA) as CA has in combined wind and solar. Major difference being that TX doesn't make it impossible to actually build things, while CA obstructs and inflates the cost of putting up anything anywhere for any reason (in the rare case that they allow it at all).

[Mickey Rat]

"No one is banning gas appliances"

Except Democrats at every level of government.

[BarbaraMorgan]

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[Fist of Etiquette]

Is it really that much more difficult to control people through gas than electricity?

[mad.casual]

Not gas vs. electricity. Gas *or* electricity vs. Gas *and* electricity.

[Jerryskids]

Gas you can do them a roomful at a time, electricity you have to do them one at a time. You've never heard of Hitler's electricity chambers, have you?

[NoVaNick]

I guess they never could have generated enough current to power an electric couch, hence why there was only ever electric chairs. It was quite common though up until the 1950s for states to electrocute several inmates for a single crime on the same day. Virginia probably the most infamous for the Danville 8. And there was also the Kirin saboteurs.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

electricity you have to do them one at a time.

Not if you connect them in series!

[GroundTruth]

Hmmmm.... something about being the "weakest link" comes to mind.....

[Vernon Depner]

You’ve never heard of Hitler’s electricity chambers, have you?

No, but that would have been way cool. I'll bet Hitler thought about it.

[Mickey Rat]

So apparently IRS agents raided Matt Taibbi’s home on the same day he was testifying before the House Commiitee on the Weaponization of Government. That is one hell of a coincidence, or one hell of a brazen act of intimidation by the politicized bureaucracy.

[SQRLSY One]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/jim-jordan-demands-irs-explain-000928790.html

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Not raid, left a note on the door per WSJ. Timing is suspect though.

[Don't look at me!]

Yeah, the I’s on the note were dotted with little hearts.

[Davedave]

You need to use his full name - Matt 'holocaust denying antisemitic conspiracy theorist' Taibbi - if you want the commenters here to support him.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

Wow, I haven't seen Dumbfuckdumbfuck here in weeks!

[Sevo]

"You need to use his full name – Matt ‘holocaust denying antisemitic conspiracy theorist’ Taibbi – if you want the commenters here to support him."

Cite missing, and it's odds on that this is similar to one of those 'did you hear what Trump just said?!' and when you do, you find it's nothing like the claim.
Fuck off and die, davedave.

[Davedave]

Dafuq? It's his entire thing. The whole world is a conspiracy.

[GroundTruth]

It takes 2.5 to 3 times more natural gas to generate electricity, move it through power lines, and then turn it back into heat for hot water or warming the house than to just burn the same gas at the house.

Maybe someday, when we have abundant nuclear plants well sited around the country, it will make sense to switch to an all electric lifestyle, but until that happens, and the grid is rebuilt to handle the load, this is thermodynamically unsound.

But, hey, it's California, what do they care about physical laws, all they care about is showing how green they are.

[MatthewSlyfield]

^This.

[HorseConch]

Like that matters to the crowd that gets all warm and fuzzy driving their "emissionless" electric cars.

[B G]

Good thing that people in the Bay Area only get a portion of their power from NatGas plants during times when the artificailly restricted "renewable" power supply isn't sufficient to meet demand.

Last year, the state was actually able to operate entirely on "green" power sources for a period of 2 minutes (might have been 4 minutes, there were a few different versions of the reports). From there, it's a couple of small steps to get to where the goal of entirely clean power can cover the other 99.999993% of the year; unless people go and do something to massively increase demand like switching to more electric heat/appliances and plug-in vehicles...

[Sevo]

"...(might have been 4 minutes, there were a few different versions of the reports)..."

And it never did, technically, operate 100% 'sustainable', but the calcs said it *COULD* have if they had done some serious jitterbugging on the grid switching,
And it was a mild late morning...
Cherry picking on turd's level!

[mad.casual]

particularly in communities of color

Whether they slow walked the bans because they don't care about black people or they really wanted to enact the bans on just black people to saves more lives but recognized that the law wouldn't allow it, it sounds systematically racist to me.

[Spiritus Mundi]

Air pollution does not affect white people. Is there anything white privilege can't do?

[Don't look at me!]

Skin color is the most important thing

[Quo Usque Tandem]

They work it in at every possible opportunity, no matter how attenuated. Play that fucking race card!

[Jerryskids]

Does the Bay Area Air Quality Management District have the authority to force people to move to Texas? I know they're giving them strong hints but the hints don't seem to be doing the job, there's still a lot of people refusing to leave no matter how badly they're treated. Stupid fucks.

[Longtobefree]

They can't shit on the sidewalk in Texas.

[markm23]

The ones shitting on the sidewalk aren't the ones with water heaters and kitchen stoves. Nor are the sidewalk shitters the ones who paid for the sidewalks.

Someday, CA will have a terrible heat wave and the power will go out. A million people will realize they're apt to die of the heat and jump in their cars to head to Nevada or Oregon - but they'll be unable to recharge those cars, and die stranded in the desert. It will be the largest mass Darwin award ever.

It won't include the politicians who chose this predictably disastrous course. They'll exempt their backup generators and 3 miles-per-gallon armored SUV's. They'll _need_ those armored cars to save them from being lynched by their constituents.

[A Cynical Asshole]

A million people will realize they’re apt to die of the heat and jump in their cars to head to Nevada or Oregon – but they’ll be unable to recharge those cars, and die stranded in the desert. It will be the largest mass Darwin award ever.

I'll get the popcorn ready.

[mad.casual]

It will be the largest mass Darwin award ever in US History.

Unless the heatwave extends from Oregon to Baja, the Eastern Border is closed, and you eliminate another 20M more ICEs you aren't going to beat Maoist levels of self-eradication, probably Hitlerian levels of of eradication at best.

[perlmonger]

Those weren't quite as self inflicted. Somewhat, but not quite. Though I'd take arguments to the contrary seriously. Hitler and Mao were wildly popular at home.

[Sevo]

"...It will be the largest mass Darwin award ever..."

Plus, the award will go to the proper recipients: the CA voters!

[A Cynical Asshole]

They probably can in Austin.

Personally I'd prefer the fuckers stay in CA. They're like locusts, I'd rather they not spread Eastward but unfortunately it's too late for some states like CO.

[GroundTruth]

Same Bostonians moving to NH and ME (VT is a lost cause).

[Rockstevo]

Does this ban on sale include purchasing online and just having it shipped? If not then this is just another win for Amazon.

[Brandybuck]

There already is a gray market for high flow showerheads and toilets. The shower will actually rinse the shampoo off, and you only need flush once to get rid of the turd. God Bless Canada and their high flow plumbing that they ship to us!

[Vernon Depner]

It's pretty easy to drill out a low-flow showerhead.

[Sevo]

Some are easier yet; they use a small O-ring to restrict the flow. A pock of some sort removes it easily

[Sevo]

That's *a pick*

[The Jeffersonian]

This is going to be interesting.

Over the last 25 years, California has a net decrease in the amount of electricity they can generate.

At the same time the Political Class, Advocates, Activists and Experts are pushing Electric Cars, Stoves, Water Heaters and Furnaces.

We are told that we can simply "buy" the needed electricity on the "free market."

Last time California tried that we had the Enron Debacle.

Hurray for politicians!

[Sevo]

"...We are told that we can simply “buy” the needed electricity on the “free market.”..."

It's a truism that capitalism does just fine in the absence of communism needs capitalism to survive.

[Sevo]

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[NoVaNick]

Gonna be tough to power all those heat pumps, water heaters and EVs on only wind and solar. I assume bans on gas/propane generators patio heaters, and grills are also in the works.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

It's about virtue, and signaling it in the voting booth [or on the drop in ballot]. Seriously, the affluent dipshits who support this really do believe they are above and beyond any possible consequences.

[NoVaNick]

It’s easy not to have to care about having enough power, heat, or money to pay for it when your job is to sit around naked in a mud hut in Palm Springs all day.

[Longtobefree]

Not to mention common sense match control - - - - - -

[Vernon Depner]

Grills will disappear when they outlaw meat.

[Sevo]

Someone posted this here a couple days ago:
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/03/25/eminent-oxford-scientist-says-wind-power-will-cost-trillions-trash-the-environment-and-be-entirely-unnecessary/

[BarbaraMorgan]

I get paid over 190$ per hour working from home with 2 kids at home. I never thought I’d be able to do it but my best friend earns over 10k a month doing this and she convinced me to try. The potential with this is endless. Heres what I’ve been doing..

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