The Problems With Just Getting Guns Out of People's Hands as a Solution to Gun Violence
New study sees Chicago harassing and arresting people for paperwork violations, damaging their ability to live and work, without demonstrable effect on gun violence

When hideous murders committed with guns make national news, as in today's Nashville school shooting, it is a natural reaction on many people's parts to call passionately for just getting more guns out of more people's hands, by any means necessary.
Those concerned with civil liberties and police abuse of the innocent have long worried about the effects of privileging mere gun possession arrests. A new study from the Marshall Project highlights some of these problems, via examining data and interviewing arrestees from Chicago's attempts to manage its violence problem with more gun possession arrests.
Chicago police seem to have adopted a pattern of pretextual stops—looking for any excuse to pull someone over and interact with them—in order, they hope, to find a gun without a proper permit to own or license to carry. (Getting both those things can be quite expensive in terms of both time and money, disproportionately affecting the poor living in violent neighborhoods who most strongly feel the pull toward having a gun for self-defense.) Gun law enforcement in Chicago, the Marshall Project finds, "overwhelmingly focuses on possession crimes — not use."
The heart of the study's findings:
From 2010 to 2022, the police made more than 38,000 arrests for illegal gun possession. These arrests — almost always a felony — doubled during this timeframe. While illegal possession is the most serious offense in most of the cases we analyzed, the charges often bear misleading names that imply violence, like "aggravated unlawful use of a weapon."
Police continue to insist that every gun out of someone's hands, even if it involves arresting that person and increasing mass incarceration of the nonviolent and highly harming that person's ability to work and rent in the future, is all for the good; after all, that gun won't be used by that person to harm anyone. (It is almost always the case that those guns would not have unjustly harmed anyone even minus the arrest and confiscation.)
But there is no particular evidence that harassing or arresting those who have harmed no one has "substantially reduced shootings in Chicago. In fact, as possession arrests skyrocketed, shootings increased, but the percentage of shooting victims where someone was arrested in their case declined," that latter point a strong indication that mere possession arrests are not a sensible high priority for police for whom gun violence should be their only concern when it comes to guns, not paperwork violations. But the Project found that "nearly 60% of the 31,000 new felony cases pursued by [the state's attorney of Cook County, Illinois] in the past three years were for illegal gun possession; roughly 4% were for homicides."
Among the gun arrests the Marshall Project were able to analyze from raw data, "Most people [arrested] had no arrest warrants out, nor were they on supervised release, probation or suspected of being in a gang. In most of the incidents we analyzed, police were not responding to 911 calls about a person with a gun."
The fight against mere possession becomes a generalized excuse for harassment of citizens: "In arrests where possession was the most severe charge…we found that more than 7 in 10 began with a simple traffic violation. After this initial stop, police often used some other justification for a search. Officers often did this by citing the smell of marijuana. Although Illinois legalized cannabis in 2020, smoking while driving is still prohibited." And, "in a third of the stops, we found the person arrested had their gun owner's permit, but not the license that allowed carrying the loaded gun in public."
The enforcement is hugely disproportionate racially. "Although Black people comprise less than a third of the city's population, they were more than 8 in 10 of those arrested for unlawful possession in the timeframe we reviewed." Convictions lead to a year or more in prison, and merely the arrest can mess up the life of someone who has harmed no one via "damning criminal records, time on probation, job loss, legal fees and car impoundments."
As Reason's C.J. Ciaramella has previously reported, the overzealous search for guns owned without proper paperwork has led not just to pretextual traffic stops that ruin innocent people's lives but to violent raids on homes, often not even the homes where the alleged illegal guns were supposed to be.
As the Marshall Project (who although close-focused on Chicago in this study "identified several other cities with similar trends," including Houston, New York, Cleveland, Baltimore, and Memphis) quotes one of the victims of gun possession arrests they interviewed, "I'm scared for my life — and I gotta go to prison because I fear for my life, for my family's safety? Because we're not fortunate enough to live someplace else?"
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Don't murder people. Cops don't like competition.
Number one
You have the right not to be killed
Murder is a crime
Unless it was done
By a policeman
Or an aristocrat
Oh, know your rights
Why do I have the sinking feeling that the "female" shooter was transgender?
I hope I'm wrong.
You weren't. But she was a trans he. And left a manifesto.
I thought so. Because of how journalists kind of beat around the bush with "person" and then "female" rather than "the shooter, a woman in her 30s"
Everyone has to tiptoe around possibly offending someone by not using their preferred pronouns, while that someone murders children.
Does it seem passing strange to anyone but me that the "shooter's manifesto" (whatever that is) has been locked down under tighter security than the classified papers in pResident Brandon's Corvette garage? What is it that "they" don't want us to read or know? Are there flights of fancy and/or paranoid ramblings described therein that counter the modern narrative of the peaceful, Gandhi-like struggles on this sufferer of mental illness, or is the document so disorganized and rambling as to suggest full blown insanity/psychosis on the part of its author? Can't have that kind of double-plus ungood information about trannies leaking out, can we?
Large doses of testosterone are a hell of a drug.
It’s a man, baby!
97.5% of amok shooters are guys, but that statistic is from before Long Dong, Palito and Mutterkreus Mom declared women unpersons when pregnant. (https://bit.ly/3x7K9pB)
Also the Clash(really Sonny Curtis)
I fought the law, and the law won
Except Ashley Babbitt. That cop is cool.
Shot her through a door while she was surrounded by other cops who weren't doing anything. A true hero.
Hope when he dies he gets a state funeral and burial at Arlington like that guy who died of an unrelated aneurism.
I hope her family arranges to make that cop go away someday. If you can’t get justice, there’s always revenge.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/department-justice-closes-investigation-death-ashli-babbitt
There was/may still be a civil suit, however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdoEQi9A56c
Qanon cosplay ends in tragedy...
Some women are susceptible to mystical fascist brainwashing. Not many, but old footage from Germany shows there really was such a thing as Women for Hitler then and for Trump now. Sad.
Fascists are socialists are Democrats. What made Trump a fascist? Success at business? Tax cuts? Deregulation? Energy independence?
"Don’t murder people. Cops don’t like competition."
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Given that the shooter was trans --- this will cease being mentioned within 2 days.
“Trans say of vengeance”!came early this year.
"...was identified as a 28-year-old white transgender woman."
Does this mean lady dick?
Or man boobs?
I honestly don't know
Usually when they say 'transgender woman' they mean they have XY chromosomes. When someone has XX chromosomes they say 'transgender man'.
I think it means lady dick, in this case. They're making it difficult because nobody wants to offend the school shooting by "deadnaming" her.
The media was doing nothing but dead naming her all day before the switch to victimizing her.
She shot unarmed kids. Fuck her and everybody else who would try that stupid shit.
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So revealing of the tranny absurdity. No way to tell based on language.
It was a genetic female (XX) who "identified" as male (still XX though)
We talking futanari here? (If you don't know what that is, count your blessings.)
Yes, some things can’t be unseen.
Man boobs? Has anyone heard from Chemjeff today?
Yeah. He is doing his usual defending sexualization of kids I believe.
I had to get man boobs the old fashioned way: by getting fat. Others do it by being boobs.
Which pronouns do you use?
And in the back of the room, sure enough, there hides Austin Powers in full regalia and lace intoning "Yeah, Baby! Pull that clit and it'll get longer!"
Day
First trans person to ever show mental issues. Memory hole it.
The Q night club shooter was trans.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/colorado-springs-lgbtq-club-shooting-suspect-identifying-non-binary-court-documents/
So was the shooter in Colorado Springs.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-springs-suspect-identifies-nonbinary-uses-pronounces-defense-rcna58499
And then there is the matter of all the other trans criminals filling up jails and creating the 'which prison do we put this person in' problem.
So was one of the STEM shooters.
This does seem like a remarkable coincidence...
Non-binary and transgender are different things.
They were also mentally ill, in counseling for it, and was still able to buy at least three firearms.
Soros-backed Progressive DA in Philly is taking a similar tact:
https://twitter.com/JeremiahDJohns/status/1640090397996138501
Arresting people for illegally carrying firearms is apparently wrong, not because we shouldn't have laws like that in the first place, no, it's because it's racist.
Gun control was pretty much designed to be racist, which is only one of many reasons to oppose it.
. . . Shall not be infringed . . .
It's a pretext, Doherty. Not a solution. They don't give a damn about violence, or they'd be doing a long list of other things.
They just want as many people who might oppose them disarmed before things get real.
There should be armed guards posted entrances at every grade schools with a certain amount of students. They don't even have to be SROs who get involved with disciplining students or searching their lockers. They can function as sentries.
It's a costly move and not a perfect one, since shooters can just move to colleges or malls. But that seems like a more practical way to protect schools without sacrificing anyone's civil rights.
There should be armed guards posted entrances at every grade schools with a certain amount of students. They don’t even have to be SROs who get involved with disciplining students or searching their lockers. They can function as sentries.
This is inviting the law of unintended consequences, however. What happens when you create a ton of people who are constantly on alert that a worst-case scenario is happening? They are hyper-alert as if every situation is a worst case scenario.
It's the same for smallish towns that spend all the time and effort to train a SWAT team, when they have need for a SWAT unit once every couple of years. They have this whole infrastructure and have spent so much money on it, so they feel obliged to use it. This leads to trashing some guys house because a snatch-and-grab suspect from the convenience store is suspecting of holing up in the house. Or they go in with no-knock raids at midnight and open fire on anyone who looks like they have a gun.
This seems like a great idea until the first time one of your armed guards at every entrance to the school shoots a kid pulling a pack of gum out of his backpack because he thinks the kid is pulling out a gun, because they're constantly training these guys to imagine all the creative ways someone could start a school shooting. Cops keep seeing training videos showing how every single human they encounter has a knife in their pocket and is going to carve out their litter so fast they can't draw their gun, so they're jittery as fuck and shoot people who sneeze at the wrong time.
The solution to this problem is a prosperous society where quality of life is so high for everyone that nobody wants to throw their life away in some sick act like this.
Beyond that, it's beyond optimistic to think that they're only going to be there to watch for the obvious people walking up with two shotguns strapped over the shoulders. They'll be frisking every kid, searching every backpack, to make sure there's no gun. We'll see even more arrests of 10 year olds who draw a scene from Call of Duty in their art class. We'll see the TSA problem where stuff goes missing, except turned up to 11 because the guards can just say, "Well he's a stupid kid, he must have lost that cell phone you gave him."
They won't limit themselves to searching for guns, but any kind of contraband kids shouldn't have. Drugs, noisemakers, inappropriate toys, pocket knives, unapproved pencil sharpeners. It would be a ridiculous intrusion into civil rights.
but I agree with this. militarizing the schools is only phase one to militarizing everything.
Oh, guess you’re not the shooter….
national divorce is the better solution. We can have non-degenerate states which deport pedos/groomers/leftists. All set then
When we deport democrats, where do we send them?
A wood chipper
Puerto Rico. Or preferably Greenland
We own PR but the plan to buy Greenland never panned out.
https://time.com/5653894/trump-greenland-history/
How about Neptune like in Futurama?
Liberia?
hmm, it's not exactly libertarian to advocate for a fascist state to deport the 'undesirables'. but, you do you.
national divorce is the better solution. We can have non-degenerate states which deport pedos/groomers/leftists. All set then
A guillotine is the traditional way to dispatch of wrong-thinkers in an inquisition. I mean you don’t want your not-socially-conservative-enough deported ex-friends and relatives to still be able to communicate with the subjects of your utopian state, do you? That freedom of thought could get contagious.
But yeah, otherwise a simple and practical solution to stop school shootings.
“Beyond that, it’s beyond optimistic to think that they’re only going to be there to watch for the obvious people walking up with two shotguns strapped over the shoulders.”
They don’t have to frisk anyone. They would operate on the perimeters and function mostly as security guards.
An AR-15 is not a concealable weapon. The trans shooter basically walked inside a school with a long gun slug on his shoulder, and that would be impossible if there were armed guards posted outside entry points. There’s a reason why most mass shootings and gun violence are actually committed with handguns.
Of course, shooters could shift tactics and target theaters, churches or other public venues instead. But in a place with grownups, the victims will fight back, as we’re starting to see. If there’s a way to protect kids’ lives without violating the constitution, we have to explore it.
"Of course, shooters could shift tactics"
I think school shooters are unlikely to shift targets. It seems to me that the vast majority of them have a personal beef against the school, faculty, or other students.
The solution to this problem is a prosperous society where quality of life is so high for everyone that nobody wants to throw their life away in some sick act like this.
this is utopian thinking, not reality.
Or, hear me out, these people have mental illness and can't rationalize the consquences of their actions. Higher standard of living, more gun control, more acceptance of their alternative lifestyles will not stop crazy people from doing crazy.
Trannies have a 40% suicide rate.
Not gonna be too hard to radicalize some into killing random people on their way out.
https://twitter.com/lukerosiak/status/1640467617982091264?t=22qWscyI8aM5elJK8Q4rKA&s=19
The shooting of a Christian school by a transgender comes the same week that activists scheduled a "Trans Day of Vengeance," with the group also raising money for firearms training.
The 'vengeance' is payback for a purported 'trans genocide,' despite newly-released FBI hate crime statistics showing that there were 2 trans hate crime murders in 2021, and only 278 anti-trans hate crimes overall, including petty offenses like vandalism.
The group specifically called for vengeance in Nashville.
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Bet the FBI does nothing about them,
"A Christian school."
I know I shouldn't, but couldn't this be spun into anti-Christian hate? It is Lent after all.
Her "manifesto" should be interesting...
Shouldn't that be "Her" manifesto?
Maybe it should be "his" manifesto.
Womanifesto?
I like the way you think.
more acceptance of their alternative lifestyles
if acceptance of their alternative lifestyles led to the belief that they weren't actually crazy, and that there was cultural space for them to exist within society without feeling depressed and suicidal, why would that be a bad thing?
Seems like a big assumption that the reason they are depressed and suicidal is external not internal. There are lots of spaces in society where trans people can exist with comfort and encouragement. It doesn't seem to be making much difference in mental health.
Gee who would have thought demanding people accept you by being in their face 24/7 wouldn't work?
That's partly the point. We can't "cure" every possible harm without destroying liberty. Liberty itself isn't utopian, it's dangerous and involves a degree of risk. But the risk of some harm is less dangerous than the guarantee of harm that comes from being too authoritarian in an attempt to crush all violence.
But also, in a society that's thriving and the vast majority of people are doing very well, there's plenty of resources to spare for the mentally ill. People are comfortable that they're going to be okay to spare some of their life, some of their own energy, to make sure their family and their neighbors are doing well. When you're struggling to make ends meet, you're not checking in on your brother as often to make sure he's on his meds. You're not calling up your friend as often to see how he's coping. When people are doing well, they're more inclined to treat all their friends to a nice meal, or buy them a drink, or take a few days off work to help someone out. You'll get better outcomes when people are convinced that, in the end, they can absolutely provide for themselves; it will encourage them to spread it around with others.
well, this is still utopian thinking, in three different ways:
1. No matter how prosperous any society is, there will always be mentally ill people, and in a high-liberty society, they will have greater access to guns than they do now.
2. There will always be "acts of God" that immiserates someone due to no fault of their own. Not all of them will be able to cope rationally.
But this is the most important one:
3. In a high-liberty society, people are freer to make all sorts of choices, even incredibly bad ones. The ones who make very bad choices will have to rely on the charity of others to get by. Sure the ones who make good decisions are also freer to be charitable, but it is not a given that they will use their wealth to be charitable.
Now I am all in favor of a rich prosperous society, but it is not a cure-all.
People are comfortable that they’re going to be okay to spare some of their life, some of their own energy, to make sure their family and their neighbors are doing well.
i think this is also utopian thinking. Sure they could, or they could say "fuck you I'm gonna spend my money on hookers and blow in the Bahamas".
What's missing here is a *cultural expectation* that individuals ought to help the less fortunate. It isn't created by wealth and it doesn't occur naturally. It must be created by cultural norms and maintained by peer pressure. And the only way that this can happen in a high-liberty society is if individuals purposefully choose to do so. That is my "radical individualism", the idea that this CAN happen under a libertarian order. It is radical to think that individuals, acting without coercion, can do this, in any sort of widespread, national-level way.
It's not utopian thinking to say that more wealth spread across more people leads to better outcomes. It's simple pragmatism. Some people will be selfish. But people have more room to be less self-interested when they're not struggling to put food on the table. Crime goes up when prosperity goes down. People who are desperate aren't taking the time to assess how they're impacting other people.
Your "That's utopian thinking" response isn't a serious critique at all, it's just trying to label a very simple concept so you can dismiss it. I'm not saying it's simple to just make everyone prosperous, of course, but the fact is that mere prosperity breeds more security and harmony than any system of justice and punishment ever can.
But I do think it is key to spread positivity, and not to raise a generation of people who are convinced that the world sucks and the odds are stacked against them, or that they're horrible people who have to apology the color of their parents' skin. It's better to encourage a strong work ethic and promote the opportunities that are out there and push our children to be ambitious and optimistic, rather than spreading doom-and-gloom. Not to shield them from harsh reality at all, because the reality is that this is the most luxurious and affluent human civilization has ever been in its history and it's a great time to be alive, all said.
I think in the US there is a cultural expectation to help the less fortunate. But there's disagreement about what constitutes the less fortunate.
Are we helping those who are less fortunate or simply enabling people who are either lazy, manipulative, or even sociopaths?
That's what people have a hard time with, especially if they're forced to do so.
Note to foreign readers: The technical term is altruism, the doctrine that by not being you, others acquire rights you once had. This was the basis for German National Socialism, Soviet and Asian communism and coercive American prohibitionism. Nuclear weapons are the answer the future is preparing to meet the demands of altruist initiation of force.
We can get close if we get rid of the democrats.
Your "day of vengeance" will come, too?
Now do the Great Society.
I'm not suggesting that we put more cops or swat on campus. I'm saying there should be armed guards placed near the perimeters so shooters with visible long guns cannot try to enter through unguarded side entries or scalable walls. School mass shooters enter schools undetected when class is already in session.
They would essentially function as security guards and less as SRO. They don't have to get involved in crowd control or student discipline. In fact, the policy should be that they don't actually enter the school unless the shooter was able pass them or in some legitimate emergency. All their eyes should be on the outside, looking for anyone suspicious who tried to enter through side doors.
Is "good guys with guns stopping bad guys" a form of militarization? I don't see the logic in libertarians supporting armed teachers but somehow balking at placing armed guards outside of school. There are already security guards at banks, government buildings, etc. Some armed parents patrolled outside of school after shootings, we would just make that kind of arrangement permanent.
We understand the importance of the second amendment and safeguarding all constitutional principles. But people tend to value security over freedom, and as more and more tragedies of this scale occur, the emotional side of the argument will start to win out. We have to be a bit more proactive in coming up with solutions to protect victims (the recent victims are 9 year olds). We as nations simply cannot endure this kind of tragedy year in and year out.
Gun control can't stop a lunatic from shooting 6 people and then putting one final bullet in his head. It would take a matter of minutes. The caliber of the weapon is a moot point. Armed security guards are more practical deterrent. It's not a perfect solution, but much like Covid, we're familiar with some basic patterns of school mass shooters.
I'd settle for ending gun-free zones. At the very least, it would make prospective shooters uncertain how vulnerable their targets are.
It's stupid to do anything at all about school shootings: Schools are already the safest place for children to be, even with them. Any sane evaluation of cost/benefit would say that you'd spend your efforts addressing violence pretty much anywhere else.
Yeah, setting up the whole world to respond to extremely rare events is not a good use of resources or mental energy.
Far easier to just let teachers carry.
The Nashville shooter opted to not attack another school because there was too much security. Further showing the pitfalls of gun free zones.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11908745/Nashville-school-shooter-Audrey-Hale-transgender-former-student-plotted-massacre-detail.html
This still was a completely different show from Uvalde. First shots fired at 10:13. Shooter is dead at 10:27.
That's still 14 minutes, which is way too long a time; remember, when seconds count, police are minutes away. But they at least got the three children to the hospital with a chance at trying to save their lives.
"The Nashville shooter opted to not attack another school because there was too much security. Further showing the pitfalls of gun free zones."
Most mass shooters are on a kamikaze mission, and they know they have pick off as many helpless victims (kids) as they can in a limited window of opportunity. They can't risk being taken out early.
Looking at the video - the lunatic entered the building with a AR 15 in full view, wearing what looks like a military pants and bulletproof vest. I used to live in a residential area that surrounded a school, and I know that the immediate vicinity is deserted mid day. Everyone is at work, at school, or streaming things at home. Maybe some old lady is walking a dog. But I could easily scale a fence and jump inside without anyone noticing.
This guy (or girl, show the hell knows) couldn't dress and arm himself the way he did and try to enter a mall. He could force his way in, but as soon he exited the car in the parking lot looking like that, someone would see him. It would make sense for him to enter inconspicuously with a handgun stashed in his pants, which is once again why most criminals don't use long guns in crimes and gun control mania would have little deterrent effect.
Mass shooters have a pattern, not unlike covid. We should be able to protect the most vulnerable group without sacrificing everyone else's freedom. Or at least... try.
The entire point is to intimidate and harass gun owners so more people won’t bother. This is the planned path to reducing gun ownership.
@CalifornianOkie
How many ATF agents visit all those black children who flash fully automatic weapons on social media?
href="https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1640396570267987968?t=hsgF3EQJQ2BYf8ygAd0STQ&s=19" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1640396570267987968?t=hsgF3EQJQ2BYf8ygAd0STQ&s=19
Today, the ATF showed up with 16 agents, most from out-of-state from cities like LA and San Francisco, to “inspect” Adventure Outdoors in Smyrna, GA.
This visit was unprecedented. The sheer amount of agents from the bluest parts of the country is unusual and unnecessary to conduct a routine audit.
This is a prime example of Joe Biden and the Democrats weaponizing federal agencies to silence and intimidate their political opponents. I fear this is just the beginning and they are directly targeting our Second Amendment and our right to protect and defend our families.
I’m proud to have joined my colleagues to do our job and conduct Congressional Oversight on this highly suspect “inspection.”
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Well that was quick. The shooting in Nashville was the GOPs fault due to bathroom laws and banning cutting off minor genitals.
Jorge Bonilla
@BonillaJL
IT BEGINS: ABC's Terry Moran ties the Nashville school shooting to Tennessee's recently-passed legislation banning the hormonization and mutilation of minors. The shooter was 28. (Video)
https://twitter.com/BonillaJL/status/1640471501508956160
She was not allowed to mutiliate the kids so she had to kill them. Got it Terry..you fing pos
Considering the near-50 yr. march, trumpets and all, cheering women's ability to enter men's spaces (and not out of fear for the men's privacy or safety), this is pretty much all it can be.
How did he "tie" the two things together?
“How did he “tie” the two things together?”
According to the clip, clumsily. He reports a shooting happened, how many died, information about the shooter and then immediately segues to talking about the two “controversial” bills recently passed in Tennessee.
Per tony, I’m sure that Dave chappelles “violent bigots” were involved somehow.
"New study sees Chicago harassing and arresting people for paperwork violations, damaging their ability to live and work, without demonstrable effect on gun violence"
Well, considering the people who commit violent crime with a firearm are OK with risking:
- a murder charge
- ending someones life
- someone else ending their life
I dont think the threat of fines, misdemeanors, confiscation, felonies, or really anything is going to deter them from using the weapon to murder someone.
In fact, you could argue that the only people that would concern themself with such a charge/fine/jailtime would be the people extremely likely to already be responsibly following the law.
The problem with most violent crime, is the mentally ill, degenerate, desperate, and or morally bankrupt criminal that is completely fine with taking a life. Threatening them with a paperwork violation as a solution is likely to be as effective as telling a Kamikaze pilot they need permission to fly in that airspace.
This was a Christian school, didn't anyone there pray to invisible sky-man? But apparently invisible sky-man didn't give a shit about them.
Will these christians learn from this incident that God doesn't exist, and become atheists?
Praying to an invisible man in the clouds is a waste of time.
So you don't understand anything about Christianity. Got it.
Yep, just like the vegan at the party, everyone just has to know you're an edgy atheist. And just like the yapping vegan, you're an uninteresting twat.
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Unlike the Trumpanzee sockpoopettes stalking the libertarian mag and the women's clinic.
Someone doesn't even get invited to the parties where edgy atheists and vegan twats are ignored. How saddening for you.
Like the nursing home lets him outside.
Fuck off, bigot.
Imagine an ideology so bad that even mass shooters apparently, by revealed preference, seem to say "They've got it bad enough already." or "That wouldn't garner the amount of attention I seek." or similar.
I'd say it's sad, but that's a value judgement. Not even wrong, not even sad.
Yeah, because Christians totally believe that prayer is like a magic spell that can make impossible things happen.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1640505559660085248?t=6jLdM90n7LyaqLY-SZbkOw&s=19
You don’t hate journalists enough
You think you do but you don’t
"@Newsweek
Drag shows and gender-affirming care for minors were banned in Tennessee this month, while assault weapons remain legal."
Corporate media is the enemy of the people...
Nuh uh, because Trump said that and he was a lying liar from Lyington.
Randomly murdering 9 year olds remains illegal also.
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1640487950759632896?t=Howf8CxlEMGVYI6K0Ms8Fw&s=19
If not for Twitter, we would have no clue that the shooter was trans
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https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1640480964718604290?t=zEGSWldMWqwjL5GeYxCorw&s=19
You see, violent leftists might kill you and your children over child sex change bans, and the only way to prevent it is to give up your guns.
Yeah. You’re not crazy. They’re actually saying that to you. Right now.
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https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1640501114515730433?t=sKQF7cD0G1OVBtvdeT2R8Q&s=19
BREAKING: Rand Paul staffer stabbed in the head and torso
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The media will be silent.
Too local
https://twitter.com/AllisonPapson/status/1640501937295507457?t=LSGaA_0jwynGnid7hZvdkg&s=19
The suspect who brutally stabbed a senate staffer was released from prison a day before the attack. #BOP
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all according to plan...
I'm sure Wapo bolsheviks are cheering. As well as the commies running the Atlantic, New Yorker, and the rest the media Trotskites
The leftist commenting on that post are real bright spots of humanity….
You mean the altruists who recite Marx and Lennon instead of the altruists who recite the mythical dead-raiser and Martin Luther? You are the same thing. (http://bit.ly/3VlNk7a)
https://twitter.com/teasingkat/status/1640447362630819869?t=zq9GuJ5iFWLAGGjz-RncEw&s=19
I don't condone Audrey Hale's actions, though I understand their outrage against an intolerant state that brainwashes children through religious indoctrination. The reality is this human still identified as that child attending that school and carried that pain into adulthood.
Brainwashed: love your neighbor like yourself, honor your mother and father, don't lie, steal, or kill
Not brainwashed: men can get pregnant
You could predict your talking points about 10 seconds after the mentally ill "trans" woman was identified.
I understand. You cannot actually condone the murders this animal committed. But you don’t think that it was her fault that she was forced to kill three innocent children. After all, what is the evil committed against her, versus the evil she committed on others? Back a decade or so ago, she was forced to attend a Christian junior high school, and then just last week she was misgendered (as I just did there). The horror!! Who could survive that?
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1640469156243066881?t=ubKvrolfqWD0XE7pL5Gojw&s=19
A Washington Post contributor just thanked someone who posted that the Christian school in Nashville that was shot up today was a religious indoctrination center
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it is time to call out the cultural Marxists regardless of their race, creed or sexual preference. Yes, that is you Wapo and NYT and DNC.
Include the cultural fascists, and you got a deal, Bill.
Whole thread of replies: "not surprising because mass shootings are super common in the US"
https://twitter.com/IamR0galD0rn/status/1640439319453114373?t=7fn48e6TtS7hZy2lv1WPcQ&s=19
Kind of crazy if you think about it.
No, not the shooting. The odds of a a survivor of Highland Park taking a vacation to Nashville, in March (known for its wonderful sights in March) who is now a major lobbyist in DC be there at the same time.
What are the odds?
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The amount of people who think there are mass school shootings on a daily basis, let alone “regular” mass shootings, is actually really fucking depressing.
It’s even better when these morons think that no other country has mass shootings or want to argue about the fact that when you exclude the things that are more common in America (suicide and inner city violence) the gun death numbers are better than just about anywhere on earth. But don’t you dare say it’s a mental health/urban youth (any race) problem.
Leftists are psychotic totalitarians.
They're an imminent, deadly threat.
https://twitter.com/ThatDude3210/status/1640527443122372610?t=HXzzF-fcZVVPqHna_AqeXQ&s=19
>Shooter had NAFO, trans, and socialist flags
>Targeted Christian school
Hmmmmm
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How many days till this incident is swept under the rug or the narrative is changed to vis white male Republican?
Zero. It's happening in real time.
There was a "study" a month or so ago that said we'd had a school shooting 1 1/2 times a day in 2023. Of course the study was biased and used unique definitions of shooting, but the headline gets repeated.
Unique definition of school as well.
School adjacent is school. ????
Hitler christianity blamed Jews, Reagan christianity blames plant leaves. None of these altruists blame the initiation of force... (https://bit.ly/3umIpax)
So, this woman (yes it was a biological woman) decided that since she and her ilk would not be allowed to sexual mutilate kids, she had the right to kill them.
But the left and the fellow left "libertarians" will make the excuse..."she was radicalized by the far right in denying her the right to mutilate kids" Yep got that. and when a prolife person kids an abortion doctor in a state that allows abortion up to birth..well that is just extremism. the hypocrisy is just beyond belief.
A national divorce is preceeding very well..
I’m fine with a ‘divorce as long as we get the house. All of it. No secession, they just leave. Anything less is a non starter.
America belongs to Americans, not democrats.
Ah, so it's not so much about a "divorce", but gettin' some Lebensraum...
I don't think you know what either definition of the word "lebensraum" means.
That doesn't surprise me.
America doesn't belong to any collective.
i love how you have a whole fucking article about this incident and you dont mention it's a fucking trans-cult psycho radicalized by CNN.
Which article did you read? This one is about a study from the Marshall Project about gun law enforcement in Chicago.
Those concerned with civil liberties and police abuse of the innocent have long worried about the effects of privileging mere gun possession
You cited yourself here Brian. Do you have a single "civil rights activist" that has this concern or are you pulling shit out your ass?
Gun control is not and never has been about safety. It's pure kulturkampf. It's about turning the screws on people who don't shoot others.
Excellent article in WaPo explaining what seem to not be understood by most, and little talked about difference between assault rifles and handguns. No, it's not what assault rifles look like that matters, it's the damage caused due to the high velocity of the bullets. The article includes animation depicted damage - no photos - and with permission of the families discuss and illustrate how a 6 year old Sandy Hook kid and a Parkland High School kid died. That's at the end and heart breaking.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-damage-to-human-body/?itid=hp-top-table-main_p001_f004
The Blast Effect: How bullets from an AR-15 blow the body apart.
Is this supposed to be satire?
That's rifles in general. "Assault weapons" are fairly low powered rifles. No one who knows anything about guns is ignorant of the fact that rifles are generally more powerful than handguns.
Anytime I read bullshit like this I am reminded of the Parkland shooter who was using a .223 round and hit one student three times and the student lived. I have to wonder how good a marksman someone would have to be to hit a person three times with a .223 round and still have the vic to survive.
LOL. Look who's here. And still pushing the same bullshit.
SO... the WRONG GUNS! Everyone else says the WRONG PEOPLE! Heaven forfend lest we consider the wrong ethics!
Whenever someone says "gun violence", either they are enemies of freedom who are against guns, not violence, or they are fools who let the enemies of freedom define the terms of the debate.
In England they now call it "knife violence" rather than the initiation of force or unequal yet apposite reprisal force. There is a movement afoot to ban all knives that do not come with a cloth-catching slot in the tip. Nobody questions that altruism and the initiation of force are inherently good things. (https://tinyurl.com/2p8n8sw9)
Some MSM outlets are reporting this:
“Nashville police chief John Drake said on Tuesday that police had spoken to Hale’s family, who said that Hale had been treated for an “emotional disorder”.”
Aside from the obvious effort of the editor to beat around the bush about the he/she/it pronoun this again puts the light on red flag laws and what is called doctor/patient relationship. Does the benefit of a doctor ratting out a patient out weigh the number of patients who would refrain from seeing a doctor fearing being ratted out.
Bottom line is any restrictions on gun ownership is way more likely to be a PITA to legit peeps while those who it is suppose to keep from obtaining guns will likely find a way around it.
I truly don't understand why black people vote for Democrats. Almost every policy, whether its guns, or the border, or the "war on drugs", etc etc etc...always negatively affect black people. Illinois is arresting black people who can't afford the time and/or money to obtain a carry permit (plus Chicago does everything in its power to deny everyone a permit)...while red states are implementing constitutional carry (no permit required). Yet the black population still voted for D over the R at nearly 95%. Its truly bizarre.
The Klan switched to supporting the GOP in 1928. This is recorded in Bert Hoover's Presidential papers, which just within the last couple of years came online. Try also the 11FEB1931 H.B. York letter to Herbert Hoover at the Hoover Library... and weep. (https://bit.ly/3O1CZso)
Spoiler: There is no magic gun evaporation fairy.
https://hwfo.substack.com/p/the-magic-gun-evaporation-fairy
“Among the gun arrests the Marshall Project were able to analyze from raw data, “Most people [arrested] had no arrest warrants out, nor were they on supervised release, probation or suspected of being in a gang. In most of the incidents we analyzed, police were not responding to 911 calls about a person with a gun.”
“Most” as in >51%? Or >90%? The report seems so spew a lot of numbers around but when it comes to quantitating unjustifiable arrests, it gets pretty vague…
OUR Kleptocracy? Stoop to vagueness?!
The vaunted report overlooks that 97+% of all mindless shooters are male. What sort of agenda would elide THAT glaring a fact?
you left out DC. the police and administration have a crusade against "illegal guns". most of them are only illegal because they've made it nearly impossible to legally own one unless well-to-do and politically connected, while doing so poorly on protecting the public that people fear for their lives and desperately want the means of self-defense.
And yet, black people, by and large, still think the Dems are their friends.
Only in Chicago…grab guns from people who aren’t using them in crimes, while at the same time, plea-bargain away the gun charges in crimes where the criminals ARE using them. Ugh.
where is the trannie manifesto? for any other shooting it is released within 24 hours.. Why?