Congress Asks Is TikTok Really 'An Extension of' the Chinese Communist Party?
TikTok's CEO served as little more than a punching bag for lawmakers with a dizzying array of big tech grievances.

Today's congressional hearing on TikTok was supposed to probe the company's ties to China, its plans to secure U.S. user data, and its effect on kids. For this purpose, the House Committee on Energy and Commerce called in TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew to testify. But it quickly became clear that lawmakers weren't at all interested in hearing what he had to say. Chew was there—as so many tech company leaders have been in recent years—as part punching bag and part prop, a body against which the dozens of participating lawmakers could hurl rants about algorithms, social media, and, in this case, communists.
During the first several hours of the TikTok hearing, lawmakers were largely split between focusing on issues of user privacy and national security and on whether TikTok is harming teenagers and other vulnerable populations. But on both fronts, Chew's interrogators seemed more intent on grandstanding than on actually learning or uncovering anything new.
Imagine someone repeatedly asking you if you plan to stop killing puppies. You would probably want to assert that you did not, in fact, kill puppies in the first place. Now imagine that every time you tried to say this, your interrogator yelled that whether you would stop murdering puppies was a simple yes or no question—so yes or no? That's basically what happened with Chew at this hearing, over and over again.
This is a shame, because there are actually lots of issues on which his answers could have been illuminating—especially about Project Texas, TikTok's plan to protect user data and give a third party (Oracle Corp.) access to its code.
Instead, the parts about TikTok's parent company ByteDance and its ties to the Chinese government followed a predictable pattern. A lawmaker would assert some unsubstantiated claim about Chew, TikTok, and/or ByteDance being tools of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and ask Chew some variation on whether he planned to remedy this. When Chew would start to object to the premise of the question, the lawmaker would quickly interrupt, insisting either that Chew was being untruthful or that it was a simple binary question and Chew could only answer yes or no.
It was maddening to watch, making clear just how little lawmakers cared about anything but hearing themselves talk. A few samples exchanges:
Rep. Anna Eshoo (D–Calif.) asked how TikTok can say there's a firewall on U.S. user data because "the Chinese government has that data." Chew responded, "Congresswoman, I have seen no evidence that the Chinese government has access to that data." Eshoo countered, "I find that preposterous."
Rep. Kat Cammack (R–Fla.) closed her time by telling Chew, "Your app is an extension of the CCP." Chew asked if he could respond but was told no, it was time to move on.
Rep. Bill Johnson (R–Ohio) claimed that TikTok's code was "riddled" with avenues of CCP "censorship" and asked Chew whether he had directed TikTok employees to "change that source code." Chew started to object, saying he didn't understand the question, and was told by Johnson that he should just answer yes or no.
Rep. Tim Walberg (R–Mich.) claimed ByteDance is "connected directly to the Chinese Communist Party." Chew said that wasn't true. Walberg said, "It's a fact," and Chew—starting to appear the slightest bit frustrated by this point—said, "It's not actually." Walberg said Chew reports directly to ByteDance, followed by, "Let me move on."
The demand that Chew provide yes or no answers to questions that clearly required more nuance was also a prominent feature of folks asking him whether TikTok was bad for children, people with eating disorders, and other groups. Lawmakers would offer a tragic anecdote about a kid who did something harmful after allegedly learning about it on TikTok or some sort of cartoonishly evil take on TikTok's operations. Then they would demand Chew answer yes or no to an inquiry premised on the fact that this evil caricature was true or to a complicated question about how TikTok's algorithm factored in or something like that.
Congressional hearings would be much better if Committee rules prohibited loaded questions. Not all questions can be answered with yes/no answers. https://t.co/LvmZgU3A3i
— Daniel Castro (@castrotech) March 23, 2023
"Your technology is literally leading to death," said Rep. Gus Bilirakis (R–Fla.) after telling a story about a young man who was supposedly driven to suicide by watching TikTok videos. "Mr. Chew, yes or no, do you have full responsibility for your algorithms used to prioritize content?"
When Chew tried to express sympathy to the kid's family, as any normal human being might in such a situation, Bilirakis interrupted, barking "Yes or no?" before launching into a tirade about how "we must save our children from big tech companies."
A lot of lawmakers took their turn questioning Chew to go on generic rants about how social media, algorithms, and tech companies were dangerous to minors. For instance: Big tech platforms, like cigarette companies, made a deliberate choice "to addict kids," said Rep. Kathy Castor (D–Fla.).
Others wanted to berate Chew because not everything posted to TikTok is 100 percent accurate (welcome to the internet, folks!). For instance, Rep. Diana DeGette (D–Colo.) was concerned that people could find incorrect information about self-induced abortions and COVID-19 treatments.
And what would a congressional hearing about tech issues be without a few doses of utter cluelessness about technology?
Rep. Richard Hudson (R–N.C.) wanted to know if TikTok accessed home Wi-Fi networks (if a person with TikTok on their phone connected to a home Wi-Fi network, then yes, Chew explained) and if that means TikTok was also accessing other devices connected to that Wi-Fi network. Rep. John Curtis (R–Utah) asked Chew if TikTok could write an algorithm that would "persuade me to change my view on a policy issue?"
Rep. Paul Tonko (D–N.Y.) asked if Chew could pledge that TikTok would stop using data about users' mental health to push particular content to them. When Chew responded, "We don't do that," he was greeted with the familiar refrain: "Yes or no?"
Tonko went on to ask what percentage of content seen by a TikTok user could be categorized as "harmful" and seemed annoyed by Chew's inability to simply spit out a percentage (as if there's some way to say definitively if every single video is harmful or not and if TikTok deliberately chooses to push some amount of dangerous videos to all users). Tonko upped this absurd question with more specific versions of it, demanding Chew say how much "distressing content" was pushed to teens, to expecting or new parents, to people with eating disorders, and to people with addiction issues (as if TikTok even knows such details about the personal lives of its users in the first place).
Rep. Brett Guthrie (R-Ky.) asked why TikTok couldn't be as good as some Chinese social media apps at removing potentially harmful content about government officials. "They dance around the issue, but of course the reason is that there's less free speech in China," commented Daniel Castro, vice president of the think tank Information Technology and Innovation Foundation. "Americans should be glad that US social media is more free."
That gets at perhaps the central paradox of the hearing. U.S. lawmakers profess worry about the control the Chinese government has over private businesses, social media platforms, and internet user data of Chinese companies. At the same time, they're seeking ever more information from and control over U.S. platforms.
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Libertarians used to make common sense arguments i.e. '...if you can't use something like this in China, then you can't use it in America...'. Now they write articles like this.
That was common sense? We, a free country, should emulate the bans from communist countries? How is that sensible?
Agree
Well I member when Libertarians were apoplectic when Snowden revealed the NSA was collecting metadata on Americans, what phone numbers called what other phone numbers, etc.
Now, they are simping for a hostile foreign communist totalitarian enemy state that collects all our data and turns out devices into spyware
“Private companies”, provided the definition of “Private” includes companies remotely controlled by the CCP.
Because they banned our software, we will ban theirs. Let google/facebook/randoCompany operate in China and we'll do the same. I have some American philosophy I would love to broadcast to the Chinese populace.
No Libertarian ever made those sort of arguments. It is not consistent with principles of Libertarianism. I am worried more about collusion between US government and Google than Tiktok giving my location to CCP.
By definition, there are no property rights in China. That's what it means to be communist.
You must be unaware of the de-collectivization and privatization that has been happening in China over the last 50 years. If you insist that they have no property rights, then you are saying that their economic success over the last several decades means collectivism works. That's an observation Warren or Sanders might make.
Even NYT doesn’t make such a stupid statement as you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/world/asia/china-hong-kong-security-law.html
And CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/02/tech/china-economy-crackdown-private-companies-intl-hnk/index.html
I can link to dozens of these stories. But you prefer 2010 neocon talking points.
And another article on the crackdown of private enterprise in China.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei
And these are left leaning sources. Lol.
You can't have a "crackdown on private companies" if you don't first have private companies.
A crackdown on private companies is proof that they don't have private property rights? Wow. And he says I'm stupid? Dude is not very bright.
I mean, given the backdoors accessible to the CCP in every TikTok server, even those located in the US... Well the shoe certainly fits.
Setting aside labels, the United States and z China are both mixed governments/economies with elements of property rights and freedom, authoritarianism, wealth redistribution, persecution of certain minorities.
The abusiveness and overreach of government is much worse there but in neither place is it as simple or black and white as “oh, they have no property rights”.
GFY. This is beyond the pale for you, especially since you have cheered on the rapid movement the D regime has made toward being like China,
I'm thinking maybe the divide isn't Rural vs. Urban, maybe it is D.C. vs. Everyone Else?
This same type of cluelessness about technology is there at the state level, too.
You could have just written “I don’t understand what you mean.”
Or better yet, written nothing at all.
The divide seems to be people who have no problem with spyware from a hostile government we could be at war with in the near future and those with common sense.
Wouldn’t they want to spy on, way, our military, not our feckless teenagers?
Info is power. The more the better for you.
That was certainly vague and hand wavey.
Bill Gates was once a teenager.
These inscrutable Chinese play the long game...
And the most scandalous thing he did was to hack into his high school’s grading system and change some grades as a prank.
And, by the way, we somehow know about that prank without a Chinese spying app.
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China understand soft power. TikTok is a propaganda tool. During the cold war we would have prohibited the USSR from owning US TV networks. Why allow CCP access to tens of millions of american minds for hours a day?
Should Congress really have the power to demand that people appear before it to be yelled at? Nothing in the Constitution actually gives them that power, but Congressional Hearings are almost as old as the nation. The rationale is that they are seeking information on which to base legislation, but if they aren't really seeking such information, then that rationale has no basis in fact.
That was my reaction to the article as well. At what point do business leaders pull a John Galt and start refusing to show up for their scheduled abuse sessions?
Howard Hughes did it the right way.
They are working on legislation to ban TikTok.
So the US government spies on us. Why is that a reason to let the Chinese spy on us also?
What are they going to do? The Chinese that is. Probably the same that the big, bad corporations are going to do. Try to sell you stuff.
Compare that to men who will kill you if you argue about being locked in a cage.
China doesn't care about selling us stuff other than as a way to build up their economy so that they are better able to usher in "a new world order", with themselves as the undisputed leader (dictator). Just like politicians here, the end game is always about power and control, not "the people" or "the environment" or "equity" or whatever the buzzword of the in-group is.
It's always about who runs things.
“China doesn’t care about selling us stuff”
Maybe their government officials don’t, but their businessmen do. The CCP doesn’t have absolute power over wealthy business leaders.
Maybe their government officials don’t, but their businessmen do. The CCP doesn’t have absolute power over wealthy business leaders.
An authoritarian communist regime doesn't have control over people in it's country? Really?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferwang/2021/01/07/disappearing-billionaires-jack-ma-and-other-chinese-moguls-who-have-mysteriously-dropped-off-the-radar/
Good point, but China has been "disciplined by a hahd and bittah peace," while US students typically cannot solve a triangle. China is full of people trained to work the electrodynamics and chemical and mechanical engineering that go into vaporizing a rival looter State and wrecking what's left of its industry in the space of a couple of hours. Like Pogo, we have met the enemy, and it is our own entrenched Kleptocracy.
What are they going to do with information about what videos people watch that would be any different from what, say, YouTube could do with similar data or different from what the CCP could do with data purchased from a data broker such as Acxiom?
And aren’t there much more interesting Americans to spy on than TikTok users?
Look at the most recent scandal where the Lt. Governor of Tennessee was outed for liking gay videos on Instagram. It didn’t require Chinese software and it didn’t even require spying — it just required an old dude so clueless about the Internet he didn’t even realize everyone could see it when he used his official title and name on social media.
It's not the vapid Tiktok use that is at risk, it's the open pathway that useful fool provides to some other more valuable target.
Maybe if you give an example hypothetical scenario that starts with the CCP collecting user data via TikTok.
Please never sat you are in tech again. These apps don't just record what videos you watch. They record biometric data and even speech patterns which can be used to do things such as steal from accounts, sell identification data, etc.
I thought he claimed to be a general contractor? Or did he change his persona but was too lazy to use a new sock?
The US government knows what it does with social media to color nation targets, including domestically, so their ostensible concerns are well founded
This is a pretty good summary of the issue.
Spying is a distraction. TikTok is a propaganda tool. Why allow China more control over US minds than all the Radio & Television stations combined?
>>making clear just how little lawmakers cared about anything but hearing themselves talk.
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It was a parody except it wasn’t. I’m rooting for TikTok to get banned just to witness some of these blowhards get voted out of congress.
This whole congressional "hearing" reminds me of when a HUAC member might ask: "Are you still a member of the Communist Party?," and then refuse to accept the answer. This is all performative, designed for rebroadcasting on the evening news.
Ayn Rand as a HUAC witness asked Nixon if he wanted a philosophical explanation that would take sth like 15 minutes to spell out. This was a tactic mystical fanatic Elizabeth Dilling used on politicians when called to the stand to rain Hellfire and Damnation on the commie atheists, and Nixon already knew it. He declined. I pity anyone who uses those goofy apps, whoever elected the current Looter Kleptocracy, and the poor bastids ordered to lie for their communist dictatorship. What a dumpster fire!
Your comments are what a crazy person’s thoughts look like
They were right about a lot of those people
Chew didn’t have any answers.
And the US really was full of communist infiltrators.
CCP law requires that any person or entity in China provide any information demanded by their government. If a Chinese student or tourist is here, officials can debrief that person to their satisfaction upon their return home. If anyone thinks for a minute that there is not a massive suckup of data in China that puts the NSA to shame, I've got a bridge for them, and some nice waterfront property just east of Miami.
I may despise many of the individuals in the US Congress, and agree that many (most?) are self-important blow-hards, but that doesn't mean that they are wrong to expect that Tiktok is likely serving as a data trap for the CCP.
Data is a distraction. TikTok is a propaganda tool. Take everything social media has done and make it highly addictive. That's TikTok.
"We don't do that" means we are not stupid enough to be led by mystical rednecks and amateur looters into answering "complex questions." Americans elected to Congress show no notion of 19th-century syllogisms and propositional logic--or even ability to solve a triangle. Chinese have had no such luxury. "Do you still wear your wife's underwear" is the classic example, and "we don't do that" is to this day the the most logical answer baffling to ignorant foreign politicians. Mencken was right: “Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under.”
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"Congress Asks Is TikTok Really 'An Extension of' the Chinese Communist Party?"
Obviously just a rhetorical question, unless someone is a complete moron...
As expected, Chew didn’t have any answers. Nevertheless, this needed to be exposed publicly before proceeding with legislation.
TikTok is a feedback tool for the CCP's psyops.
The US doesn't have the equivalent in China. TikTok gives the CCP an advantage in that they can measure one segment of American society - their reaction to misinformation and current events. It us a very useful tool for an adversary.
It is especially easy since TikTok users tend not to be the brightest bulbs in the American chandelier, and they are easily misled by Chinese disinformation.
I'm glad there's someone else here who understand the threat.
TikTok is a propaganda tool. It's under control of the CCP. Ban it.
I agree that it should be banned. Trump tried to ban it and failed.
Yeah, it will have to go through the US Congress as an official bill or the paid off jurists will just keep blocking it for their TikTok overlords
While I consider all forms of social apps a waste of my time and no longer partake, I am struck by how little specific evidence or documentation has been brought forward as to the damage or benefit has been caused by these apps. All I ever hear is generalizations and name calling. That is unacceptable to me.
1. It's sheer size. 1/3 of Americans use it.
2. It is a wholly owned subsidiary of the communist party (as are all companies in China) and it is actively spreading propaganda/unrest at the behest of the CCP.
@BillyG (still can't get this darn app to reply properly!)
"Why allow CCP access to tens of millions of american minds for hours a day?"
Why allow the liberal American media access to tens of millions of American minds for hours a day?
Those who are ignorant will believe anything, Chinese or otherwise.
"That gets at perhaps the central paradox of the hearing. U.S. lawmakers profess worry about the control the Chinese government has over private businesses, social media platforms, and internet user data of Chinese companies. At the same time, they're seeking ever more information from and control over U.S. platforms."
That isn't a paradox at all. The U.S. government wants to be the only ones to control U.S. platforms so that they can stop damaging information coming out about them in October of any of the election years. This has nothing to do with national security. Its all about job security for politicians.