Former CDC Director Robert Redfield: 'NIH Leadership Was Antithetical to Science'
In an interview, Redfield criticized Anthony Fauci for tamping down on speculation about the potential lab leak origins of COVID-19.

Robert Redfield, the former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), says he's unpersuaded by recent reporting that raccoon dogs at a wet market in Wuhan, China, may have launched the COVID-19 pandemic.
"I think it's important, first, they didn't show the raccoon dogs were actually infected," said Redfield in an interview on Rising, the YouTube show I host for The Hill. "What they showed is they could have DNA from raccoon dogs on swabs that also had the COVID-19 virus. It's not unusual for animals to be infected as opposed to being the intermediate reservoir."
Redfield proceeded to criticize both Anthony Fauci—former COVID-19 adviser to the White House and a key figure at the National Institute of Health (NIH)—and the national news media for stigmatizing the theory that the virus may have emerged as the result of a lab accident rather than animal spillover.
"I think the whole approach, particularly by the leadership of NIH, was antithetical to science," he said. "I stand by my testimony, and I know Dr. Fauci has some disagreement. But he's incorrect."
Both hypotheses should be pursued and vigorously investigated, according to Redfield.
Last month, the Energy Department concluded with low confidence that the lab leak theory was more compelling than the wet market theory. The FBI has reached a similar conclusion. Partly due to Fauci's influence, government health advisers had initially settled on a zoonotic origin; as a result, some media outlets described lab leak as a fringe idea, embraced by conspiracy theorists.
"There's a strong bias, in my view, toward trying to promote a spillover hypothesis rather than having honest scientific debate," said Redfield.
Watch the interview below.
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The point, here, isn't that they did it two years ago, though. It's that they are STILL doing it, today.
As the reckoning comes, as people are ducking for cover or promoting the idea of an amnesty, as the most half-assed of all half-ass apologies and passive "mistakes were made" statements creep out, these assholes are still doing bad science to promote their narratives.
I'm happy for anyone to point that out. Even if it is two years after they should have started calling the fuckers out.
If I was a federal prosecutor I’d give them amnesty: If they’d plead guilty to fraud and/or conspiracy to violate civil rights, I’d forget to tack on felony murder charges.
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>>Partly due to Fauci's influence
Palpatine only whispered in Vader's ear.
Last time I did that, I got a call from human resources...
Using the dark side to do it.
There's only one way to solve this - Redfield/Fauci deathmatch.
pleaseandthankyou.
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Dueling pistols?
No way. Give them both a bagful of needles. They have to jab each other to death.
Dull rusty needles
Nah, picked up from the parks of blue cities.
It must suck having all of the hated reason commenters be right on yet another subject. And be right 3 years ago.
Reason commenters are never right and aren’t indicative of libertarianism. You should know that by now!
Fauci belongs behind bars
Or a waterboarding bench.
I'll settle for 6 feet under.
And White Mike, JFree and Moderation4Ever shrug and set aside their angry rhetoric like nothing ever happened.
You were a conspiracy theorist if you believed it before this month. Facts changed!!
I dont know who gets the award, but I feel like I remember JFree having the most consistently wrong and terrible know-nothing shitlib takes from the pandemic.
I think he gets the "COVIE" award
Memory is a funny thing. You and your assclowns remember whatever you people made up. I remember projecting 750k to 950k deaths. On a day when there was a cumulative total of fourteen deaths and the morons of CDC (managed by the incompetent Redfield) were still not even testing anyone. And I have proof of what I said - and only tweaked over time
Turns out - I was damn accurate.
You cited 950k deaths in the first year. And you continue to ignore even the CDC has now said they likely over estimated death DUE to covid by 30-50%
Fucking moron.
And for that you advocated lockdowns, forced masking and vaccinations.
Meanwhile you ignore the continued excess deaths from increased drug use, suicide, and slow medical intervention for common ailments.
Explain why covid death rates by age bracket matched the nominal death rates of the last decade the prior decade.
Here is even CDC admitting the overcount. Lol.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/14/dr-leana-wen-writes-that-covid-deaths-are-being-overcounted/
One example.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/24/cdc-coding-error-overcount-covid-deaths
Here is Brix from the CDC.
The Post reported that Birx and others feared that the CDC’s data-tracking system was inflating coronavirus statistics like mortality rates and case numbers by up to 25%.
https://www.businessinsider.com/deborah-birx-cdc-comments-coronavirus-task-force-meeting-2020-5
In fact two different counties, one in California and one in Colorado (truly conservative hot beds) both did an audit on their records and showed an overcount of greater than 30%
Why you ask? Perverse payment incentives from hospitals.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/02/cdc-director-admits-hospitals-medical-folks-have-perverse-incentive-to-falsely-count-covid-deaths-954633/
I won’t even get into how many of the initial deaths were caused through infections related to incubating patients.
But please continue JFree. Lol.
In fact unexpected deaths continue to be high due to the measures you advocated for 3 years later.
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/07/10/more-people-are-dying-during-the-pandemic-and-not-just-from-covid-19
And another for you.
https://news.rice.edu/news/2021/dashboard-displays-troubling-trend-unexplained-deaths
Do you find it odd that the two activities linked to better covid outcomes were banned on most dem rub cities? Being outside and being healthy? Yet lockdowns disallowed that. Again, lockdowns you applauded.
And for that you advocated lockdowns, forced masking and vaccinations
I never advocated any of that. If you say I did, then CITE IT.
Further it is precisely because I made a damn good projection early on that I – not you – can actually understand why those measures didn’t save any lives whatsoever. My projection before any of those measures is damn near what happened AFTER some of those measures took place for whatever time they took place. All you got is your political horseshit.
Further further – because I understood the disease was serious I also very early on looked at which countries seemed to be doing things right. Two of which I mentioned frequently then – South Korea (34000 deaths) and Singapore (1772 deaths). And a few days after that projection above I started blasting the US (particularly the CDC) as being completely fucking incompetent – which you assclowns took as an attack on TRUMP.
Finally I’m the only commenter here who has been focusing on excess deaths since 2021. Even your freaking comment seems to be schizophrenic. There are many excess deaths by selected cause – but not by age?!?!? WTF. HERE IS THE EXCESS MORTALITY BY AGE FROM 2020 TO NOW
Lol. Revisionist history is always the path of liars defending their lies. Good work buddy.
I note you have ignored all the flawed statistics as usual. Ignored the continued excess deaths not attributed to covid. The fact you use a 3 year span to crow you were right instead of the first year. The fact that most of us told you this was a temporary blip not worth the measures taken.
3 million Americans die a year. If a year contains 3.3 million it is a blip. Especially for a disease that fed on those who were already unhealthy with multiple comorbidities.
The FACT you ignore the misclassification issue linked to you. You continue to ignore the truth holding on to your fear mongering. Lol.
Going by your metric of choosing any metric to match a prediction then the flu has killed more over 100 years. That is what you are doing. Waiting temporally to claim victory. Fucking hilarious.
Why do you think you got the name chicken little? You eveb advocated those not vaccinated be denied hospital care. Fuck off with your revisionist history asshole.
"You eveb advocated those not vaccinated be denied hospital care."
Correction: He WISHED that there was a need for the unvaxxed to be denied hospital care. He (and Jeff) were told the stories such as the Rolling Stone debacle weren't representative of what was happening, and that we were no longer at any significant risk of needing to triage care...but they just kept wishing for it.
Despite how many times he and others were told the vax was clearly not what was told (that if you took it you wouldnt get OR spread COVID), they still wanted so badly to be able to say "OK you didnt listen to what daddy govt told you to do, so now you should get punished". JFree was the king of this, with Jeff and Tony pushing it hard too. They believed their fairy tale so hard, they wanted to evil unvaxxed to be punished for daring to not fall into line.
And after being told that triage wasnt needed, so many times, and told that this kind of slippery slope could lead to not treating smokers, alcoholics, fat people...they still wanted it so bad.
The internet never forgets, and JFree's fact-free, science-free chicken little routine wont be forgotten
Memory is a funny thing.
Your meekly bowing to authority is what I remember, and I will continue to remember you as a coward. Those "assclowns" are right to regard your standard of liberty as garbage.
There was never any doubt in anyone's mind that there would be a lot of deaths from the novel coronavirus in late 1999. Epidemiologists had been forecasting for a long time the next viral pandemic - no, duh! I can safely predict right now that sometime in the next thirty years there will be at least one more devastating viral pandemic - and those same experts had been consistently advising AGAINST mass quarantines and lock-downs. Every nation in the world that had a response plan had excluded mass quarantines, travel restrictions, shut-downs of business and social activities, masks and all the rest of the Big Brother crap from those plans. All that advice and all that careful planning went out the window when COVID hit. Passive apologies be damned. Every one of those governors and every CDC official should be brought up on charges and - at the very least - be voted out of office and banned from holding any official government position ever again. But of course that won't ever happen even a little bit. And they no it - so there's no reason for them not to do it all again the next excuse that presents itself.
Tony's in there too - I believe he said it was whining if we complained about this 3 years ago.
Tony said below:
I wonder what Tony has to say now that the "cousinfucking Trumper choads" are looking more credible as time goes by with those "retarded, racist conspiracy theories". BTW, wasn't it his side that promotes incest?
Wait, the guy who said masks were the best protection? Nah, man. You can jump on the anti-Fauci train, but you still have no credibility.
“What they showed is they could have DNA from raccoon dogs on swabs that also had the COVID-19 virus. It’s not unusual for animals to be infected as opposed to being the intermediate reservoir.”
Between the assumption that the animals, not necessarily just the wet market, tested positive for raccoon dogs *and* COVID and that the raccoon dogs died with COVID rather than of COVID, I’m pretty sure this is racist.
These animals were highly unlikely to die OF a respiratory virus optimized for attachment to human ACE2 receptors. Unless you include sacrificing them in labs for science.
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'NIH Leadership Was Antithetical to Science'
Very much so. Science at its heart is skeptical of anything until you have proven it over and over...and then it asks you to prove it again.
Fauci, the NIH, the CDC, and the politicians who fucked this country used science as a shield to manipulate and control. They might as well just have replaced "the science" with "god" as that would have been closer to what they were going for.
But there is absolutely nothing scientific about "trust the experts, dont question them, and do whatever they say or you are a grandma killing bigot". Science couldn't be further from how they conducted themselves.
That cannot be true, Fauci IS the science.
Somebody is trying to avoid the gallows.
The Washington Post is really pushing the "Oh, it was Racoon Dogs all along" narrative.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2023/03/17/covid-virus-origins-coronavirus-lab-leak-wildlife-wuhan-raccoon-dog/b794b352-c4c2-11ed-82a7-6a87555c1878_story.html
And three or four more stories in the past week.
NPR as well. After seeing so much damaging info coming out about Fauci running cover using a 'reputable' journal to launder propaganda, and seeing so much news about govt officials working to censor any debate on COVID, they have taken a lot of hits lately.
So we are getting a deluge of "The Science finds it was Raccoon Dogs all along!" in a very transparent and desperate attempt to wave a shiny object and distract from all the misdeeds that the left was involved in.
And its hilarious, you can pick out the propaganda outlets very easily by seeing who ran with the Raccoon Dogs! talking point. They dont have shame anymore.
Good thing it wasn't an actual disease from raccoon dogs with an R0 of a bajillion and 100% mortality, the CDC wouldn't have figured out where it came from or whether masks were effective at prevention until 3 yrs. after we were all dead.
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We know the COVID virus originatd in Wuhan, China; but where, a viral lab, or a 'wet' market?
That's a rhetorical question.
A trump hack complaining someone is weak on science? Perhaps trump can explain it in the chow line at Riker's tomorrow.
Ah, an orange herring. Look up relevance fallacy, you fucking melon.
It’s really hilarious to see all these super educated secular progs worshipping Fauci as if he were the messiah of SCIENCE. Reminds me of the idiots who gave away their life savings to televangelists back in the day. The sad thing is that it’s a lot easier to be in a position of power when you have “science” credentials, so you can cause actual harm and dupe a lot more people
A TDS-addled pile of shit hoping to be taken seriously?
Fuck off and die, asshole.
The origin of the virus is of relatively arcane scientific interest. What makes it politically interesting is the fact that cousinfucking Trumper choads want their retarded, racist conspiracy theories confirmed.
For that, you don't need real evidence. You just need a convincing enough meme.
Ha! Ha! Ha!
You are only trying to distract from the reality that if it came from a lab (which, from early on, it was evident it had), then some humans were behind creating the virus, and letting the virus escape into the world’s population, ultimately killing millions and destroying economies around the world. And who has the blood of those millions on their hands? Apparently the US and Chinese governments, and in this country, in particular, Fauci and his agency, hiring the Wuhan Institute of Virology to do Gain Of Function research on bat viruses after that research was banned in this country. And the release of the virus into the public was probable, given the research, and given that lab’s spotty record on lab safety, and given that Chinese Communist system rewards cutting corners.
So, no, the cause of the deaths of millions is nowhere close to arcane interest to most of us.
That's just the brain rot to which I referred!
We place far too much emphasis on human agency, no doubt an evolutionary relic. There's no evidence whatsoever that nefarious human agency was behind the pandemic, even if it was started in a lab. And to date there's still no confirmation of the origin.
As I said, it doesn't matter for your purposes. We're not going to go to war with China, and certainly not over a pandemic that you probably only selectively think was a problem.
"That’s just the brain rot to which I referred!,,"
This is just the pathetic attempt at misdirection to which I referred.
Fuck off and die, shitbag.
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Actually there is evidence of human agency. If the virus was created, regardless of how, in a lab, there was human agency. Labs are run by, and staffed by humans. Safety procedures are designed by, and are supposed to be followed, by humans.
Moreover, the virus could have come from genetic mutation, or gene editing. It is plausible that researchers at a virology lab in Wuhan (yes – the research was supposed to have been done at the BSL 4 Wuhan Institute of Virology, but it isn’t clear that it actually was, but instead farmed out to a BSL 2 virology lab next to the infamous Wet Market – the ChiComs aren’t saying) accidentally, or much more likely, intentionally created a mutated virus. And one way to get a new virus through mutation is Pushed Evolution. But the problem there is that mutations leave genetic tracks. There aren’t any. Instead, the Wuhan variant appeared through immaculate conception, uniquely optimized for humans, and with its unique furin cleavage site in its spike proteins. On the flip side, the Wuhan variant of the virus shows indicia strongly suggesting gene editing or splicing.
Yes, we aren’t going to a hot war with the ChiComs over this, but we have gone to economic war against them, with boycotts and trade sanctions. And they have harmed the Chinese economy. The problem though is that there is strong, almost overwhelming, evidence that the research was at least partially funded by the US Govt through research grants to Ecohealth Alliance, by the NIH, led BY Fauci. Until recently, he was a US govt employee, and now has a tax payer subsidized retirement. Plus, other US Govt employees also have the blood of those millions the virus killed (and the millions that the vaccines also killed around the world) on their hands. I can see why all of these US Govt funded deaths don’t bother you. But they do to many.
"The origin of the virus is of relatively arcane scientific interest..."
Shitbag here thought it was of supreme interest when he was fooled into thinking Fauci was something other than a lying piece of shit.
What conspiracy theory? If it was an accidental leak, which seems most likely if it was a leak, then there is no conspiracy.
I suppose some people think it was a deliberate act by the Chinese to fuck with the world, and that probably counts as a conspiracy theory. I, at least, would be much happier to see that conspiracy theory disproven.
But I mostly agree that the origin isn't that important. What is important is making sure the insane policies that happened in response never happen again.
As opposed to your actual racist ass retarded thought that it’s because icky Chinese people eat weird shit?
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715
Results
Early cases lived near to and centered on the Huanan market.
....The live animal trade and live animal markets are a common theme in virus spillover events (21–23, 50), with markets such as the Huanan market selling live mammals being in the highest risk category (51). The events leading up to the COVID-19 pandemic mirror the SARS-CoV-1 outbreaks from 2002 to 2004, which were traced to infected animals in the Guangdong, Jiangxi, Henan, Hunan, and Hubei provinces in China (20). Maximum effort must now be applied to elucidate the upstream events that might have brought SARS-CoV-2 into the Huanan market, culminating in the COVID-19 pandemic. To reduce the risk of future pandemics, we must understand, and then limit, the routes and opportunities for virus spillover.
That's nearly a year old; we've gotten a bit more honesty since then.
The early cases also lived near and centered on several virology labs in Wuhan. Moreover, Patient Zero appears to have been infected in maybe September of 2019, not in December or January. We don’t know, for sure, thanks to the Chinese government shutting down information about this.
But maybe more important, is that no early animal reservoirs have been found, after an exhaustive effort to do so. And as Dr. Redfield pointed out, neither are they likely to be found. The basic problem is that the Wuhan variant of the virus was optimized to attach to human ACE2 receptors. Not bat or raccoon dog ACE2 receptors, but human ones. Moreover, it has a unique furin cleavage site, not found in any supposedly ancestral SARS type viruses. As a result, the Wuhan (and other early) variants of the virus don’t thrive in other species, until it can mutate to adapt to them. It wouldn’t be as virulent in humans, if it had evolved in another species, just as it loses virility when transferred to other species, and then back to humanized cells. Just as these features of the virus were weakened when it mutated around the artificial mRNA experimental gene therapy product vaccines, giving us Omicron and its successors. Respiratory RNA viruses, like this one, mutate easily due to their construction using RNA (instead of DNA) and their simple, straight forward, infection path. That’s how they jump easily from species to species, mutating to adopt to to the new species, leaving genetic tracks of such mutations – suspiciously missing in regards to its adoption to humans.
Furthermore, if found in the Wuhan Wet Market, there is still the problem of how it got there. One very plausible theory is that virology lab test animals were taken out of the lab and sold there, instead of being sacrificed, as required by test safety protocols. No one would do that? There are documented cases of just that happening out of virology labs in Wuhan.
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God damn, all the lefties are coming out of the woodwork for this article.
Perhaps Fauci will be marched to the gallows before he expires naturally - one can only hope.
Thinking people realize that the NIH, FDA & CDC should be replaced by a single publicly funded agency. The current political shenanigans make it clear that "science" (whatever that means to libtards), is just a diversion. For example, do we really care where in Communist China the virus originated when:
(A) The little fucker Fauci (lff) was paying for making the virus damned dangerous and Pfizer execs admit they're still doing gain of function research?
(B) lff personally forced hospitals to stop prophylactic and early stage novel treatments, which effectively euthanized 300,000+ Americans who were too stupid to get vaxxed?
Plenty of reason to send lff to the gallows without getting sidetracked over the minutiae of lab leaks.
I can only hope history records the pandemic accurately.
Robert Redfield was hired as the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention because he's a sweetheart of The Religious White.
The consequences speak for themselves.
This is called attacking the messenger, when you cannot attack his message (because it is true). Argumentum ad hominem.
@Dr. JSH
You have no rebuttal.