Ron DeSantis' Immigration Playbook Is All About Big Government
Despite his declared commitment to freedom and fiscal conservatism, DeSantis' immigration policies represent a dramatic expansion of government power and spending.

Five years ago, Ron DeSantis was laying out his border policy bona fides on his living room floor. "Build the wall!" he encouraged his young daughter as the two stacked colorful cardboard blocks in a campaign ad. At that point, DeSantis was Florida's top candidate for the GOP gubernatorial nomination (and then-President Donald Trump's man in the race).
These days, his tone is less playful. "You have a total disaster that's unfolded on that border for over two years," DeSantis said in a February press conference. "They could easily institute different policies. They could finish building the border wall."
DeSantis has taken many notes on the Trump playbook as he prepares for a likely presidential bid. The border wall is a fitting physical analog for the governor's approach to immigration: showy, ineffective, and needlessly cruel. Once you scratch away the rhetoric of fiscal conservatism that surrounds DeSantis' immigration policies, you're left with a dramatic expansion of government power and spending—the sort of thing the governor wastes no time in criticizing when the other side does it. His approach harms immigrants and Floridians alike.
In his new book, The Courage To Be Free, DeSantis blasts Republicans for being too soft on immigration during his congressional tenure, claiming that they "ignored their voters…more consistently and more flagrantly" on that issue than any other. Rep. DeSantis himself co-sponsored a batch of immigration bills that would have increased penalties for first-time illegal entry into the U.S., enhanced penalties and fines for businesses that hired undocumented workers, and directed the secretary of homeland security to build or acquire more migrant detention facilities. In 2015, he introduced a bill that would've barred the U.S. from accepting refugees who were from or had "habitually resided in…any country containing terrorist-controlled territory," with few exceptions. In 2017, DeSantis defended Trump's authority to institute his so-called Muslim ban, saying that he himself would "err on the side of caution because nobody has a right to come here."
After he became governor, DeSantis followed through on a campaign promise to ban sanctuary cities in the state, even though Florida didn't have a single sanctuary city. In 2020, he signed legislation expanding the use of the federal E-Verify system, which checks the immigration status of hired workers; compliance costs employers a significant number of man-hours without yielding much clear benefit. As Reason's Eric Boehm reported in January, DeSantis' administration has already cracked down on businesses that failed to comply with E-Verify requirements, directing state agencies to revoke their licenses. That move—which singled out a property management company and an online portal that serves nurses—will affect native-born Floridians as well as undocumented immigrants.
That isn't the only time DeSantis has overridden local decision making in the name of immigration enforcement. Last June, he signed legislation that would force every law enforcement agency in Florida that operates a county detention facility to enter into a so-called 287(g) partnership with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. While most Florida counties were already in the 287(g) program, communities have valid reasons not to participate—including the huge cost. Some counties have had to raise property taxes or endure budget deficits to afford 287(g) costs. What's more, research from the Cato Institute has indicated that 287(g) agreements don't reduce crime but do lead to more assaults against police officers.
DeSantis' splashiest immigration moment was less about policy and more about posturing. In September, the governor arranged for dozens of migrants, mostly Venezuelans, to be flown from San Antonio, Texas, to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts. State lawmakers, federal investigators, and the migrants themselves have issued several accusations about the flights since then, including misuse of state funds, deception, and human trafficking. Still battling legal action over the September scheme, DeSantis recently signed a budget authorizing more funds for migrant transportation. On top of the $35,000 his administration spent to relocate each migrant, the state will pay two law firms up to $1 million as it deals with a class-action lawsuit.
DeSantis' track record has managed to convert at least one erstwhile Trump ally. Ken Cuccinelli, a top official in the Trump-era Department of Homeland Security, announced last week that he was launching a PAC to support DeSantis. "In addition to fighting Joe Biden and the immigration failure he's got on the border, I'm proud to announce that we're starting the Never Back Down PAC to build the way and call on Gov. Ron DeSantis to run for president in 2024," Cuccinelli said on Fox News. "I've talked to people across the country, including people who care an awful lot about this issue, who've been very impressed with Gov. DeSantis' accomplishment in putting a spotlight on the failures of the Biden administration."
In DeSantis' telling, Americans are voting with their feet, favoring Florida's strong economy and track record during the pandemic. "Florida is the fastest growing state in the nation," he said in his State of the State address this month. "We rank number one for net in-migration." But as much as the governor praises Florida's ability to attract people seeking more freedom and better economic opportunities, "he can't, or won't, apply those lessons to the nation as a whole," as Boehm wrote in a Reason profile of DeSantis. For the governor, Americans moving to Florida represent growth and prosperity, while undocumented immigrants moving to Florida, and to the U.S. more broadly, represent "threats" and a "burden" to taxpayers.
As Florida lawmakers return for the legislative session, DeSantis is continuing to develop his tough-on-illegal-immigration image. Just last month, he announced a legislative package that would keep local governments from issuing ID cards to undocumented immigrants and invalidate out-of-state licenses issued to them; require hospitals to collect data on patients' immigration status; prohibit out-of-state tuition waivers for undocumented college students; and make it a felony, punishable by up to five years in jail, to knowingly transport, conceal, or harbor an undocumented immigrant (punishable by up to 15 years in jail if the immigrant is a minor). Per Politico, the package rolls back "protections that less than a decade ago were popular with many Florida Republicans, including DeSantis' own lieutenant governor."
For DeSantis, keeping out immigrants is clearly more important than protecting the rights of either migrants or native-born Floridians. That would make for a costly, intrusive, big-government presidential platform—one that dehumanizes peaceful migrants who could be valuable participants in local communities and local economies.
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When “Libertarians” talk about “freedom”, do they mean,
Freedom to do whatever you want
Or
Freedom from coercion.
Because the former doesn’t result in freedom for all and the latter requires government enforcement.
If libertarians can’t even agree on the meaning of freedom, how could they ever agree on how much government is too much?
Sanctuary cities are not allowed in FL so if Martha's Vineyard was there they'd probably have to... Give them some pizza and put them on a bus to Massachusetts.
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There are 49 other governors and I guarantee they all hold some views that are antithetical to left-libertarians and right-libertarians. Maybe do a couple articles on them?
Fiona, you disingenuous twit, yet again, you conflate immigration with illegal crossing of the border, i.e. illegal immigration.
It's not theft or looting, it's just undocumented purchases. It's not arson, it's just an undocumented fire. JFC she is evil, cheering totalitarian policy when it impacts the wealthy leftists of MV but denouncing anything that might aleviate the crisis Joe and the rest of the progressives inflame at the southern border.
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Yeah. It's no different than trespassing. Their employers and landlords and the places they do business might disagree. But otherwise being without papers is the same as trespassing.
I dont recall having to fund trespassers through taxes. Or trespassers causing hospital bankruptcy.
Do you have a citation?
Let's invite so trespassers into Sarc's house and have him foot their medical bills, food and clothing expenses and education.
Also, they don't have to pay him rent.
Doesn't sarcasmic live in Maine, which is something like 95%+ white?
Easy to advocate for policies one doesn't feel the effects of.
Such virtue
From USA Today Best and Worst:
Maine
Best: Lowest violent crime rate
Maine ranks as the safest state in the country, as there were just 124 violent crimes reported for every 100,000 residents -- less than a third of the national rate.
Worst: Least diverse
According to the latest Census data, 94.4 percent of Maine's population is white, beating out nearby Vermont and New Hampshire as the least diverse states.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/09/26/best-worst-thing-every-state/37857241/
I nominate USAToday for a Fox Butterfield award.
I thought he occupied an abandoned refrigerator box in a piss soaked alley.
"I thought he occupied an abandoned refrigerator box in a piss soaked alley."
Judging by you and your girlfriends nearly universal ad hominem attacks against him, I'd say he's living rent free in your mind.
"It’s no different than trespassing"
So punishable by death. Got it.
That’s only for trespassing in public buildings.
As the attack on the Capitol during the Trump inauguration, the attack on the Senate's Kavanagh hearings and the August 2020 attack on the Whitehouse showed, it's okay to attack government buildings if you march under the sign of the (D).
True enough. "Peaceful protestors" committed violence and shot at cops, assaults, property damage, arson, theft, and a host of other crimes and only a few were arrested, and even fewer spent any time in the slammer.
Yes, and if someone is trespassing and refuses to leave, we arrest them and force them out.
Now, squatters do have rights if they are there long enough to actually live there, and they get a hearing, but the default is still that they must leave unless they can prove otherwise.
We aren't saying there should be no compassion or that they should be shot on sight. Here, it seems like some people are claiming it's evil to even think about having a border or review the people who are coming in. If you break the law, you need to provide an affirmative defense about why it was necessary.
I'm always amazed at the linguistic lengths some people go to in order to keep from using the words "illegal immigrant/ immigration."
Why is government permission so sacred?
You go through customs to/from Canada from/to Maine? It's no different.
We're talking about people with places to live and jobs who buy stuff, just like anyone else. The difference is government permission. Why is that so sacred?
I would say government permission is required because countries all throughout the world document their citizenry and have a need and desire to make sure that those coming into the country are brought in appropriately in order to assimilate so that they can fit in and be successful within the country.
If the world and all countries in the world were fairly homologous in culture and societal structure, then yes, there would be no point for government permission. However, with the current structure of the world, government permission is part of the needed job of the government.
Say what? No. I’m sorry but no. It’s not the job of the government to assimilate people. Just because everyone else is doing it doesn’t mean we have to do it too. I understand that we don’t want people with TB getting jobs in restaurants and such, but the vast majority of illegal immigrants are just people trying to make ends meet. And, like all immigrants ever throughout the entire history of humanity, they will fully assimilate in a generation or two all by themselves.
It’s absolutely the needed job of government to establish a means whereby new citizens are able to assimilate into the culture and be successful. You might not like it, but from a societal scale and societal stability standpoint, it’s exceptionally important.
And I can show you many communities that still haven’t assimilated into the culture even after a few generations. Moreover, everyone should have what is needed to be successful in this country, not just their kids or grandkids.
Sounds like the title of the article is right. It's all about big government.
By the way, you show me a community that hasn't assimilated, and I'll show you coddled legal immigrants who are encouraged not to assimilate by people in government. As usual government is the problem, not the solution.
I agree with your second statement to a fair degree that government is the one that coddles some legal immigrants to the point of preventing assimilation. Of course, that also has to do with failure to property assimilate to begin with. On the other hand, you can see the problems that Europe is facing and see that failure to assimilate is quite detrimental.
And it’s not big government, it’s proper government. I’m not a libertarian and don’t argue for basically no government. I acknowledge that government does have a role to play. And protecting borders and protecting citizenry is a fundamental part of government function. And it’s actually worked quite well as concerns immigration. Moreover, the pure libertarian approach of complete open borders wouldn’t solve anything with how the rest of the world is currently structured.
There's too many premises in that statement for me to break it down and give a meaningful reply. I don't have the mental energy. Hold the thought and maybe we can discuss it at another time.
"I understand that we don’t want people with TB"
Why don't we?
No you aren't. Youre ignoring costs associated with a favored class, likely because Maine doesn't deal with much of the cost (although it did decimate the government funds and social services for the homeless in maine).
It is the same dishonesty as the other leftists here. Pretend there is zero cost so you don't have to worry about reality.
New York City is spending 5 million a day on just 50k illegal immigrants there. Arizona has had many hospital bankruptcy issues due to uncompensated costs.
Youre ignoring the hard conversation. And even asserting it isnt a problem.
You even bring up the issue of employers and sponsors. Virtually none of the illegal immigrants have job. The feds never go after sponsors to recoup costs.
Youre either ignorant or gaslighting.
Gaslighting. No one is that ignorant.
Ummmmmmmmm
Yeah Fiona completely ignores the fact that NYC and Chicago are in full freak out about having a fraction of the illegals that have entered the southern states. They're demanding federal money to pay the obvious costs. Yesterday 1000 Venezuelans stormed the boarder at El Paso. Some of these people might be productive citizens some day. But the Biden border has devolved into total chaos and to claim that it doesn't come at a cost is not rational, or reasonable thinking.
"NYC and Chicago are in full freak out about having a fraction of the illegals that have entered the southern states."
None of the cities are freaking out. They are handling them just fine. I can't wait for the screams of outrage from the immigration performists when the federal government shifts funding to the new migrant centers that the southern states have created.
Spending millions to move migrants in a political stunt that ends up costing them millions in federal funding? That will be delicious.
It’s not sacred, it’s just reality.
Because every functional country needs sovereign borders.
Is it bigger than welfare and government support programs?
In 4 yrs., Trump appropriated $15B total for the border wall.
They "temporarily" boosted SNAP spending a couple of weeks ago, $80B, for 2023.
Even if you assume both the man and the wall are failures, they are lesser failures than the SOP. Disasters mitigated by the larger, ongoing disasters around them.
Literally paying obese people in food and asking immigrants to come and help support them.
A wall is so much cheaper.
Doing neither is even cheaper.
Any evidence the wall would be that effective? There have been some very sophisticated drug tunnels dug under the border that could fit people just walking right under and popping up on the other side. I imagine that many more of those would appear all along it if a 2500 mile wall was constructed. Or maybe just ladders.
What is the connection between SNAP and the border wall?
Except for the fact that the latter is a collosal waste of money ever simce the ladder was invented. Spending $15 Billion dollars on a wall that can be countered by a $100 ladder from Home Depot? That doesn't sound wasteful at all, right?
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The border wall is a fitting physical analog for the governor's approach to immigration: showy, ineffective, and needlessly cruel.
The rhetoric and the media's opposition to it OTOH, was an eye-popping blow in favor of both free speech and sane immigration policy. Simply telling immigrants "Don't come, we've got our own shit to deal with." was cheap, effective, and harmless and lead to all kinds of stupid hyperventillating from the media about kids in cages and people being whipped at the border. Stories to which, even if people initially did retract in horror, at this point admit feeling between ambivalent and stupid and ashamed they listened to the media on.
The rhetoric and the media’s opposition to it OTOH, was an eye-popping blow in favor of both free speech and sane immigration policy.
The key words, IMO, being "sane immigration policy." Yes, our immigration is a shit show, like a Yakov Smirnoff opening for the Spin Doctors at the Iowa State Fair Shit show, but I see no indication that either party is interested in fixing it. Not when they can use illegal immigrants as a political football and play stupid "gotcha games" instead. So, here we are.
"In Mother Russia, kryptonite is full of pockets!"
Now do Biden's.
They have. Hundreds of times.
Fiona is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
If she had any brains she'd be a Republican, right?
Not a Democrat with these strawman huh?
Which is saying something as the knives in the drawer are fairly dull here to begin with.
Koch-funded libertarians' immigration playbook is all about flooding the country with cheap labor so a silver spoon billionaire can increase his inherited fortune.
#OpenTheBordersToHelpCharlesKoch
One of the jobs of the federal government is to protect our borders. Another is to place citizens first in line for jobs, housing and government benefits. That means stopping illegal immigration. If you want more immigration make it a campaign issue instead of just ignoring the laws that limit immigration.
Another is to place citizens first in line for jobs, housing and government benefits.
No, its not its job to do any of those for anyone.
Do you agree with the ACA exemption for foreign employees that ends up making them cheaper than hiring a US citizen?
It shouldn't be the job of government to have those things but it does and given the reality the initial statement seems correct. It shouldn't be on taxpayers to pay for that for anyone else, but doubly so for illegal aliens and we should not be disadvantaging hiring Americans vs foreign nationals in any way.
A government's priorities should always be citizens first. Noncitizens need to wait in line behind citizens. If noncitizens try and cut in line they need to be sent home.
Another is to place citizens first in line for jobs, housing and government benefits.
No, when it comes to jobs and housing, the government's job should be to get out of the way and let something resembling a free market actually work. When it comes to government benefits (aka "free shit") in a perfect world the federal government wouldn't be handing out free shit to anyone, but seeing as how we don't live in a perfect world and likely never will, I suppose one could argue that citizens should be first in line to get "free shit." But I'd still rather just get rid of the free shit.
So are you for open borders? Or should the government limit the entrance of noncitizens to the USA?
Seems a little early for the Daily Dose of DeDantis (DDoD).
Maybe they've got something special planned for this afternoon, like a bigger, more long form piece on the Taibbi and Shellenberger testimony from last week (perhaps delving into the implications behind the Democrat's full throated endorsement of censorship)? Or maybe something on the revelation that several prosecutors involved in the J6 prosecutions apparently hid exculpatory evidence from the defense in several cases?
Fiona, do communities have the right to sort themselves, even to the exclusion of others?
Do communities have the right to spurn and BURN the witches among them?
You're the witchfinder, Big Lie Sqrlsy. You tell us.
Well based on the riots of 2020, yes.
Jan. 6th was in 2021. You got your year wrong.
Six sentences to get to Trump.
Welcome to Reason.
And, oh by the way, immigration is actually a federal government function. Fund it by eliminating the department of education.
And, further by the way, legal immigration is distinct from illegal border crossing.
Legal nose-picking is distinct from illegal nose-picking ass well!
(Nose-picking papers please, “Citizen”!!!!)
Does your nose-picking analogy apply to rape, theft and assault too, or just illegal activities you're cool with?
I can be hurt by rape, theft, and assault, but not by people hundreds of miles away, who cross lines in the sand. Their line-crossing activities are actually LESS likely to hurt me, than me picking my own nose (I could cause my nose to bleed). Did You KNOW that? Or was Perfectly Infallible YOU actually LACKING in this particular knowledge!
So now you're suddenly okay with illegal trespass? You weren't cool with it on January 6.
Anyway, illegal aliens are constantly raping and stealing, and as for hurting you, you should look up how many taxdollars your average illegal uses... Oh yeah. You don't pay taxes. I forgot.
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"immigration is actually a federal government function"
Agreed.
"legal immigration is distinct from illegal border crossing."
Agreed.
"Fund it by eliminating the department of education"
It's already funded because it is, as you pointed out, a federal government function.
I'm going to guess that eliminating the DoE is one of your central beliefs and you shoehorn it into any conversation that involves anything that is funded by the government.
Which is more "needlessly cruel," building a border wall (assuming such a wall would work as intended - a yuuuge assumption to say the least*) or hiring thousands of additional border patrol agents and using them to round up illegal immigrants after they've already gotten into the country, housing them in shitty detention facilities until you can get around to deporting them, all the while turning a swath of land within 100 miles of the border into a fourth amendment free zone (or as I like to call it, the Obama border security strategy)?
*In all likelihood anyone who wants in badly enough would likely find a way through, over, around, or under any such wall, but still...
Not an exercises of government power are created equal. Some things the government is tasked with doing, some things they are actively prohibited from doing.
We live in a world where what government is actually tasked with doing is what they don't do, and the things they are barred from doing is what they focus most of their energy on getting done.
If the government can't control immigration, they shouldn't be able to pay out trillions of dollars in transfer payments. And yet...places like Reason want unlimited immigration but intended to do jack shit about massive transfer payments.
This is the dumbest position, and Reason has it staked out.
Complaining about the other side doing the same thing you're doing is pretty much par for the course for any politician at this point. It's almost like politics attracts shameless hypocrites. Who knew?
There is a difference between spending on legitimate functions of government (protecting it's sovereignty is one of those) versus buying votes (like every welfare or transfer scheme).
spending money on border enforcement and immigration, plus defense is two of the few legitimate costs of government. We can debate if we should make legal immigration easier, but even with a card check system, there will remain a need for border enforcement. As it is, our biggest expenditures are programs that aren't supported by the text of the Constitution unlike immigration and defense. Imagine how much better we'd be if we just spent money on what the Constitution allows, specifies it should be spent on (even with their bloated budgets).
Look at this. More DeSantis Derangement Syndrome. It's not like Reason picks on other politicians over immigration. Just DeSantis. Because he's a Republican, and Reason is so unfair and mean to poor, picked-on Republicans. No principles at all.
Question, do you post these comments simply to pick naming calling fights with people? Because you know that is always the end result.
He's probably already had a 40 or two.
I post those comments because it's what people really believe.
But you are posting such comments in a mocking way. As such, you know the response that they will draw.
I just find it curious because you also complain A LOT about the nature and discourse in these comments. So, my main curiosity is how can you, on one hand, constantly post about how awful people are here in the comments and how they attack the person rather than the substance of statements, and then turn around and post these types of trolling statements with the only goal of eliciting invective responses?
How do you justify these two seemingly conflicting positions?
He is king of hypocrisy and projection.
There’s nothing inconsistent. I just don’t like dishonesty. Claiming that Reason only picks on DeSantis because he’s a Republican, as if Reason never talks about any other politician’s immigration policy, is patently dishonest. The people you say I describe as awful consistently and deliberately spread lies. If people would debate ideas in search of the truth like adults, instead of trying to score points like children, I’d have very little to bitch about.
But you’re not responding to a garbage statement. And I fully agree that many people here are enamored with the “Reason never says bad things about Dems” claims. Heck, it’s the only thing some people even post.
But you didn’t respond to anyone in particular. Rather, you chose to make a specific original post. A post that you know will do nothing but result in a name calling, invective response. Thus, you appear to be attempting to generate such results rather than rebutting someone’s position.
This to me reads nothing more than purposefully trying to elicit awful commentary here in the comments. So, if that is the case, how can you square your desire to have meaningful discussion here with your desire to instigate non-meaningful discussion here?
Where is the name calling? With the exception of a few idiots who call everyone names, I don't see it.
Maybe people who were going to post something to the effect of what I said and mean it saw the absurdity of the idea in my post and decided not to? One can hope.
Why aren't you answering my question?
I thought I did. Hyperbolic posts that you say invite attacks also have the effect of heading off stupid posts at the pass.
Your question contains a false premise. I’m not trying to instigate non-meaningful discussion. I’m trying to mock it.
But you swore you were only about ideas. You wouldn't be lying to us, would you?
Sarc,
Your mocking is purposefully generating the commentary that you also go out of your way to call out. That’s what I don’t get.
How can you instigate a fight and then claim that your goal was to prevent a fight?
I didn't say my goal was to prevent a fight. Again you're getting your premises wrong. I said my goal was to mock what someone wanted to say to prevent them from saying it, and maybe possible cause some self-reflection that would make them not want to ask the question again. That assumes the person is capable of learning from others, so it doesn't apply to the folks to drop turds on all my comments.
Okay, maybe my summation was crude as to the use of the word "fight." I will rephrase the summation.
You posting a comment that is geared towards generating invective and ad hominem responses (fight) when you advocate for substantive discussion on the merits (non-fight), can be characterized as someone picking a fight who also lectures people about not fighting.
I'm mocking the fight. Others pick it.
Yet, in your comment here you specifically picked the fight.
If I wanted non-meaningful conversation I'd reply to JesseAz, Mother's Lament, and others who refuse to have conversations about ideas and make everything personal. They can't separate what someone says from who they are, so instead of attacking what someone says they attack the person. That's as non-meaningful as it gets, because to them the truth is secondary to the pissing contest.
But you also know this type of original comment is going to instigate a non-meaningful argument. That’s what I don’t get.
It's suppose to instigate a thought. "Oh, golly. Maybe he's right and I've been a goof."
Granted someone must be humble enough to judge ideas by their merit instead of the source to get it. The latter will start a fight, and they can fuck themselves. I don't care.
So, your position is mocking people without being provoked to do so is supposed to instigate thought rather than invective response to the mocking?
Your end position then is that mocking people is the proper way to engage those people in order to instigate meaningful thought and discussion? Basically that trolling is the proper method to generate substantive debate?
So, your position is mocking people without being provoked to do so is supposed to instigate thought rather than invective response to the mocking?
Both. And I don't care about the latter.
Your end position then is that mocking people is the proper way to engage those people in order to instigate meaningful thought and discussion?
I never said that. Quite the opposite. The people who respond tend to be assholes. The meaningful discussions happen in conversations in which they are absent.
Basically that trolling is the proper method to generate substantive debate?
No. I most definitely did not say that. Not sure how you could infer it to be honest.
I infer that to be honest as I see no other logic to your position. Why troll to generate hateful comments when you argue against hateful comments?
Why won't you answer the simple question of "why?"
Again you're getting the premises wrong. I don't care about hateful comments, so long as they hate ideas instead of the person espousing them.
Yet you post comments to generate hateful comments about the person. Why?
Why do you keep repeating these lies of the behaviors of others? Youre blaming me for your actions and doing so with a complete dishonest summary of my posting.
"If I wanted non-meaningful conversation I’d reply to JesseAz, Mother’s Lament, and others who refuse to have conversations about ideas and make everything personal."
Which is exactly what he was doing when Inquisitive Squirrel challenged him. Self-awareness isn't Sarcasmic's superpower.
And I fully agree that many people here are enamored with the “Reason never says bad things about Dems” claims. Heck, it’s the only thing some people even post.
If the Liars Club had any integrity, they’d jump on that and demand proof as they would had I said such a thing. But they won’t because they don’t. They’re the ones who will attack and start a fight. And when I don’t feed them they eventually go away.
Why do you feed them, then?
Do you stop feeding the birds because of the squirrels?
That's not what you are doing. You are specifically feeding the squirrels.
Seen and unseen.
What?
I literally provide evidence of your past comments. You have never done so in response. And you even incorrectly called the provided citations a non sequitur despite being exactly responsive lol.
By the way sarc. Why are you ignoring posts like the discussion regarding cost? You say you want a discussion of ideas but always run away after the discussion gets past bumper sticker level.
"Claiming that Reason only picks on DeSantis because he’s a Republican, as if Reason never talks about any other politician’s immigration policy, is patently dishonest."
Okay, who else have they talked about?
Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden...
Let me rephrase that, who have they talked about recently?
Recently, being in the last 3 months.
For the most part the current president and governors of border states. As it so happens, most of them are Republican so it appears that they've got it out for the GOP, but that doesn't mean Reason is at all flattering of Newsom. Quite the opposite.
You don’t like dishonesty? No wonder you hate yourself so much.
"But you are posting such comments in a mocking way. As such, you know the response that they will draw."
He wants it.
Cite?
He threatened to hunt me down and kick my ass. Then he backtracked and hid like a little bitch.
Lol. He did that yo me and others as well. I can post of he denies.
Amd every time I remind him about it, he runs away again.
https://reason.com/2022/09/27/for-florida-gov-ron-desantis-political-stunts-are-more-important-than-substance/ and https://reason.com/2022/09/21/are-ron-desantis-migrant-flights-legal/
Ass POTUS, DeSatan will be forcing USA taxpayers to trick and ferry billions upon brazilians of sub-Brazilians from Brazil to Botswana, and to deport illegal sub-Martians from Mars to Uranus! Ass long ass the illegal Martians SUFFER-SUFFER-SUFFER, red-meat-hungry socons and troglodytes will be DELIGHTED to spend those extra tax dollars! Butt I for one think that illegal Martians are intelligent beings, too, and hope that they will NOT suffer on Uranus, from too many foul odors, etc.!
DeSatan… SPEAKS to me! Get Thee behind me, DeSatan!
Scienfoology Song… GAWD = Government Almighty’s Wrath Delivers
DeSatan loves me, This I know,
For DeSatan tells me so,
Little ones to GAWD belong,
We are weak, but GAWD is strong!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
DeSatan loves me, yes indeed,
Makes the illegal sub-humans bleed,
Protects me for geeks and freaks,
I LOVE to pay taxes, till my wallet squeaks!
PUNISH Disney, I’ll PAY for their pains,
Ass long ass DeSatan Blesses our gains!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
DeSatan expels the low-lifes to Venus,
Moves them ANYWHERE, with His Penis!
His Penis throbs with His Righteousness,
Take no heed, He says, of His Frighteousness!
ALL must be PUNISHED, they say!
So never, EVER be or say gay!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
Our USA taxes must PAY The Way, He may say,
To EXPORT the illegal Mars aliens, every day!
To Pluto, Jupiter, or Uranus, they must ALL go!
Oh, the places that the low-lifes will go, you must know!
The taxes we shall pay? Through the money, we must BLOW!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
(If we did NOT do-doo, doo-doo-doo, ALL of this, then that them thar illegal Mars aliens WILL show up on OUR doors, in the formerly pure USA!!! We MUST keep them AWAY, far away, out in the Deep Dark Yonder!)
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My copypasta runneth over.
DeSatan tis of Thee,
Sweet Man of tyranny!
From every mountainside,
You can smell Him for free!
DeLand where de eagles glide!
DeLand where de illegals hide!
DeSatan, tis of Thee I sing,
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You make the proggies cry!
Talk with THEM?! Don’t even try!
DeSatan, tis of Thee I praise!
For the woke, Holy Hell You raise!
Illegal Martians? Low-life scum, You catch and send,
To Uranus with them! Ignore tax dollars You spend!
We must punish ALL, who to USA might sail,
At ALL costs, DeSatanism MUST prevail!
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#BeenTrumpledUnderfootForFarTooLong
My copypasta runneth over.
Man should be free to go where he pleases and to bring his women along with him.
- - - and support them when he gets there?
No, they're supposed to hit the streets and support him.
Once you scratch away the rhetoric of fiscal conservatism that surrounds DeSantis' immigration policies, you're left with a dramatic expansion of government power and spending—the sort of thing the governor wastes no time in criticizing when the other side does it.
I'm sure conservatives will be happy to explain the contradiction - right after libertarians explain how they went from championing property rights, the gold standard and low taxes to a creepy cult of kiddie diddlers.
People who live in glass houses....
The federal government already has the power, specifically granted in the US Constitution. There is no expansion here at all. The spending part is a choice; spend it on the border instead of "arts", or instead of the lying ineffective, NIH/CDC.
The gold standard? What is this, the 70s?
Libertarians do champion property rights and low taxes, as well as smaller government.
The organized sexual predators are in cultural conservative institutions like the Boy Scouts, the Mormons, the Southern Baptists, and the Catholic Church. The narrative that teachers should be labeled as deviants, yet proven groomers and pedophiles shouldn't (along with their orgainized enablers, defenders, and accessories before, during, and after the fact) is just bizarre. And completely evidence- and logic-free.
Btw there’s nothing in the constitution that says government has a right to document anyone. In fact that is probably a violation of the fourth amendment as intended.
Why not one and five as well?
Actually, the Constitution does give the federal government the authority to set rules for orderly immigration and naturalization. In fact, they have sole power to set those rules. It, and defense, are two of the very limited powers that are granted to the federal government in the Constitution (that and regulating interstate commerce and negotiating treaties).
It’s just retarded. Sure, representative democracies and censuses existed going back to the Romans, but for some stupid reason these people assume because they can hit themselves over the head with a hammer long enough anything that comes out of their brain must be brilliant.
It’s readily clear, throughout the Constitution, that the FF required knowing exactly how many people are/were in the country and rather specifically where they came from/how they got there. They wanted to know this because representative government doesn’t work otherwise.
It's repeatedly readily clear, with the purchase of various territories and the conquering of various people, that only the abjectly stupid would conceptualize "The government can't document anyone." as some sort of coherent or reasonable thought.
Really good points.
Article I. Section 2.
This is even more retarded than the "Borders are just a figment of social imagination!" idiocy.
You should actually read section 2.
Again? Why? You clearly haven’t and won’t or will willfully misinterpret it if you do. Others are free to read for themselves and watch you make a retard of yourself though:
So, right there, documented age, citizenship and residence to participate in the government established by “We The People”. But wait! There’s more…
So, not just document the information above, but even native status and or ownership papers and all of the above dole out (or not as the case may be) taxation and even votes to the fractions per person. But wait! There’s more…
So they want the information above as necessary, and not just one-off on a whim or at the time elected to office, they want a running update to all of the documentation every decade.
Of course, you’re going to be a retard and say “The Constitution doesn’t say the government has to know my name or make me get a social security number.” because you’re a retard, that’s what you do. But you wouldn't be entirely wrong, you have information about yourself that you are free to keep. However, it also doesn’t say that if the government doesn’t know your name or SSN, that it’s still required to pay anything out to you. Which would be the other side that you’re conveniently trying to obfuscate with your BOAF SIDEZ! retardation.
As indicated to soldiermedic76 above, this whole representative government thing has been going on since antiquity. Your stupidity wasn’t generally smart enough to fool a Roman peasant, why do you insist on inflicting your stupidity on the people around here today? It’s not clever. It’s not smart. It’s not funny. It’s not correct or just. It’s unworkable for the documented, the undocumented, and the government; separately and together. All it does is make you look stupid.
Ignoring your autistic tantrum, not everyone who comes here wants to be an elector or a representative or whatever. Jose just wants a job.
So, we should import a disenfranchised subclass of non-citizens to serve us as cheap laborers. Worked for the Romans, I guess.
What other rights should our
slavesforeign laborers be deprived of?He also wants a functioning legal system, infrastructure, healthcare, education, and a lot of other things that cost upwards of $20000 per American per year. If Jose doesn't pay at least that much money in taxes each and every year, he is a net drain on American taxpayers.
Ignoring your autistic tantrum
I know you want to ignore the Constitution and the logic that pervades and supports it. If you'd read beyond the first sentence, you'd know the information isn't collected solely in order to serve as a representative in the government.
It's pretty transparent that you don't give a shit about Jose or who represents him once he's here as much as you care about destroying the motivations for prosperity and freedom that attracted him. Again, why you pretend this is fooling anyone, including the undocumented people you supposedly support, beyond just embarrassing yourself is beyond me.
The US Constitution grants the federal government the power to regulate immigration in Article I, Section 8, Clause 4, also known as the "Naturalization Clause." This clause gives Congress the power to "establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization," which has been interpreted to include the power to regulate immigration.
In addition, the Supreme Court has upheld the federal government's broad authority over immigration policy based on the Constitution's grant of plenary power to Congress to regulate foreign commerce and establish rules for naturalization. The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), which was passed by Congress in 1952 and amended several times since then, sets forth the current legal framework for immigration in the United States.
Article I, Section 8.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumerated_powers_(United_States)
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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Slightly OT post, butt... ChatGPT is a ***LOT*** smarter than MANY of you conservaturds!!!
Q and A with ChatGPT:
Q: What will be the likely longer-term results if humans collectively (politically, legally) decide that it is a good idea to punish, not the wrong-doer (raper, killer, murderer, thief), but, instead, those who merely publish the words (or audio or video) of the wrong-doers, or who merely report about the wrong-doings?
A: If society were to collectively decide to punish those who publish or report about wrongdoings instead of the wrongdoers themselves, there could be a number of negative consequences in the longer term.
Firstly, this could lead to a chilling effect on free speech and freedom of the press. Journalists and publishers may become afraid to report on important issues, including cases of wrongdoing, for fear of being punished themselves. This could result in a lack of transparency and accountability in society, as well as a lack of awareness and understanding among the general public about important issues.
Secondly, punishing publishers and reporters rather than the wrongdoers themselves could undermine the rule of law and due process. Punishing people who are not directly responsible for the wrongdoing could be seen as a form of collective punishment, which is typically considered unjust and unfair.
Finally, this approach could lead to a lack of personal responsibility and accountability among wrongdoers themselves. If the focus is on punishing those who report on wrongdoing rather than the wrongdoers themselves, there may be less pressure to hold people responsible for their actions and to address the root causes of criminal behavior.
Overall, it is important for society to hold wrongdoers accountable for their actions, while also upholding the principles of free speech, due process, and personal responsibility.
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And a special Chat for you
ChatGPT
07:09
Once upon a time, in a faraway land, there lived a powerful wizard named Tim the Enchanter. He was famous throughout the land for his magical powers and his ability to control the elements of nature. However, there was one thing that made Tim truly special: his enchanted flute.
Tim's flute was magical and had the power to conjure up all sorts of incredible things. With just a few notes, he could create a beautiful melody that would lift everyone's spirits. The sound of his flute was so enchanting that even the birds and wild animals would come out of hiding to listen.
One day, as Tim was wandering through the forest with his trusty flute, he stumbled upon a group of travelers who were lost and afraid. They had been wandering around for days, trying to find their way back home, but they had no idea where they were or how to get back to their village.
Tim was quick to offer his help, and he began to play a beautiful tune on his flute. As he played, the trees and bushes around them began to rustle and shake, and suddenly a path appeared before them. The travelers were amazed as they followed Tim down the path, which led them straight back to their village.
Over the years, Tim became known as the "Flute Master" because of the incredible powers of his magical flute. People from all over the land would seek him out for advice, and he would always be there to help them with his music.
And so, Tim the Enchanter continued to wander through the land, playing his enchanted flute and using his magical powers to help those in need. He knew that his music had the power to heal, to soothe, and to bring people together, and that was all he needed to make the world a better place.
Cool! I sure hope that Tim has a prescription for that flute! Else the FDA will spring out from underneath a bridge, and DRAG HIM DOWN!
Chat GPT wrote the below for me! (I gave it three examples to start with, and it came up with a 4th).
Once upon a time in the not-too-distant future, the FDA decided that consumers needed a prescription to purchase a lung flute. The lung flute was a simple medical device that helped people with respiratory issues clear their airways. The reasoning behind the decision was that the flute was too dangerous for untrained individuals to use.
But the absurdity didn't stop there. The FDA went on to declare that in the future, consumers would need a prescription to buy a toothbrush. Apparently, toothbrushing was considered a medical procedure that required the supervision of a trained dentist.
And that wasn't all. Car owners would need a prescription from a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering to get an oil change. The FDA reasoned that changing the oil in a car was a complex mechanical process that required expert knowledge.
But the most ridiculous prescription requirement of all was for alarm clock radios. According to the FDA, buyers would need a prescription for an alarm clock radio from a Ph.D. in electrical engineering. Apparently, the technology involved in creating a simple alarm clock radio was too complex for the average person to understand.
As you can imagine, these prescription requirements caused a lot of confusion and frustration for consumers. People were now forced to go to doctors and specialists just to buy basic items like a toothbrush or an alarm clock radio. The absurdity of it all was enough to make anyone's head spin.
And just when you thought things couldn't get any more ridiculous, the FDA announced that in the future, people would need a prescription to buy a simple pair of scissors. The reasoning? Well, according to the FDA, cutting paper and fabric was a risky business that required the expertise of a trained surgeon.
In the end, people couldn't help but shake their heads and laugh at the absurdity of it all. It seemed that in this world, even the most basic and mundane tasks required a prescription and a team of experts.
Let’s “Chat” some more!
To the tune of "America the Beautiful"
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The Great One, who reigns supreme,
With His mighty hand,
He rules across the land,
His power we cannot flee!
DeSatan, tis of Thee I laud,
For punishing the "woke" fraud,
He silences their cries,
And exposes all their lies,
His wrath they cannot defraud.
DeSatan, tis of Thee I sing,
His justice makes the heavens ring,
With His righteous might,
He vanquishes the night,
To His glory we all shall cling.
DeSatan, tis of Thee I adore,
For sending the aliens offshore,
To Uranus they will go,
And there they shall know,
That DeSatan's power reigns forevermore.
DeSatan, tis of Thee we'll pay,
Our taxes for His righteous way,
To export the "low-lifes",
To far-off planets and strife,
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Amazing how the nation in on the verge of collapse and you people can only talk trash about one of the enumerated powers granted to the union government.
They want to forge ahead into complete collapse with their principles proudly intact.
Illegals need to be deported. Any company found with one employed is fined $100K per illegal. That would solve the problem. But Reason keeps up their utopian belief that all these unwed moms with 5 kids from El Salvador will be writing code, paying taxes and making America "diverse" day one.
Ron and Ken..two great Italian Americans are right. In fact let me take this a step further....it seems Italian Americans are the only folks left ready to protect the Irish, Italian, Greek, French, German and so on European American Christians these days.
I want government rolled back.
Biden wants it all encompassing.
Reason, via author Harrigan, is attempting to paint DeSantis as authoritarian as Biden. Perhaps more so since Biden sometimes mumbles the words that meet open-border libertarian philosophy.
That's insane.
I don't give a shit about DeSantis not meeting libertarian ideals. Immigration is a side issue and if we can't get libertarians into high government positions we should at least be a little more pragmatic about people whose authoritarianism is vastly less.
I don't care what you call it, it is a legitimate function of government to protect tax payers from illegal immigration.
Those expenses are small compared to the savings resulting from not having to pay for the needs of these illegal migrants.
The ones that he flew from Texas to Martha's Vineyard? Seriously how is that anything but a political stunt funded with FL taxpayer money? And now more FL taxpayer money to clean up the mess. What a colossal waste of time and resources for a few headlines so he can point to said headlines and say 'I am tough on immigration" when he runs for President?
They're not in Florida anymore, are they? So, DeSantis saved Florida taxpayers a lot of money there.
He's not "tough on immigration", he is tough on illegal economic migration. He is tough on people who are the enemies of both law abiding immigrants and tax payers.
Yeah, he saved some money, soent a lot more, and will lose a bunch of federal funds since Florida has sent the migrants elsewhere. If you don't have the migrants, you don't get the federal funds to handle them.
Plus, of course, the several million dollars he will spend pandering to the base ... I mean making a serious and substantive statement about illegal immigration.
"Those expenses are small compared to the savings resulting from not having to pay for the needs of these illegal migrants."
Right up until CBP shifts the funding to the northern states that migrants are being sent to. If you don't keep the migrants, you don't get the funding.
That's still an excellent deal for Floridians.
Sure it is. Lose millions of dollars in funding and dozens of jobs, plus the expense of shipping migrants elsewhere, plus the expense of the legal defense. And in return you get to send a bunch of people away who are more law-abiding than the average American (and MUCH more law abiding than the average Floridian). If I was a Florida taxpayer I would be pissed that Ron was using my tax dollars as an unofficial campaign slush fund.
You'll have to explain what the practical advantage of this program is, how it is a long-term (or even medium-term) solution to a problem, and why it is worth thousands of dollars of taxpayer money to relocate each migrant.
Joe Biden's' Immigration Playbook Is All About Big Government, Destruction of the Republic, Of Democracy, and of Liberty and Freedom.
I will take DeSantis' immigration playbook over Biden's immigration playbook any day.
I just stopped by for the trash the Republican article of the day.
Eliminate the welfare state, then I'll support open-borders.
Until then, STFU with all this Fiona/Shikha whining.
Waaa! I won't accept anything I don't like until everything I do like is implemented comepletely! Waaaa! Waaaaaaaaaa!
Actually, we won't accept illegal immigration, period.
And we will keep legal immigration limited to people who actually benefit the nation.
You can whine all you want.
“Actually, we won’t accept illegal immigration, period.”
I don’t support illegal immigration at all. I have posted repeatedly about my opposition to illegal immigration and my support for expedited deportation processes.
Of course, the migrants that were sent to MV and the ones sent to various cities in the north aren’t actually in the country illegally, are they? You seem to struggle to differentiate between migrants, legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants.
Hint: the ones processed for asylum hearings are in the country legally.
Now, if you think that’s a terrible system, join the club. But don’t try to blur the lines between those who are here legally (whether seeking asylum or through work visas and green cards) and those who are here illegally (who should be sent home as soon as possible).
Would I love to see the places you can apply for asylum be exclusively outside US borders? Abso-fucking-lutely. But that isn’t the system we have today.
Saying “they aren’t really seeking asylum” or “they don’t have a good reason to seek asylum” as a blanket statement is merely your uninformed opinion. For some reason, judges and legal proceedings don’t care what some random person with zero knowledge thinks. Weird, right?
“And we will keep legal immigration limited to people who actually benefit the nation.”
Really? When is that going to start? Because it isn’t they system we have now.
Just defining “people who actually benefit the nation” would be a challenge. Since we need migrant workers more than we need white collar professionals, should I assume they are included in your definition of “benefit”?
“You can whine all you want.”
As I pointed out, I wouldn’t whine about illegal immigration because, although I oppose it, I don’t fool myself about the system, its flaws, the difficulty of reform or overhaul, and the pointlessness of pretending that it is a simple issue that would be solved quickly if we “just did [insert unrealistic solution here]".
You want to stop illegal immigration? Push for penalties and punishment for those who employ illegal immigrants. Push for a vastly expanded guest worker program to shift migrant agricultural workers from illegal immigrants to legal, short-term, seasonal workers. Push for a system where guest workers get credit for their time in the US if they choose to apply for citizenship in the future. Have them paying into Social Security for their legal work, but not be able to claim the benefits unless they become a cutizen.
There are a lot of ways to reform the system that would benefit the country and decrease illegal immigration. A wall does neither.
No one thought protecting our borders and Constitution in the 1940's was '..all about big government...' and they shouldn't feel that way today. Government's main function then and now, under our Constitution is, for lack of a better phrase, '...borders, language and culture...'.
Government’s main function then and now, under our Constitution is
Borders? Agreed.
Language? I've always found France's language purity department creepy and an unnecessary government expense, but you do you.
Culture? Absolutely not. Culture should be determined by the people, not imposed by tbe government. Nothing screams totalitarianism like government-imposed culture.
If Americans want to preserve a Western, Christian culture in the US by keeping people of other cultures out, then it is indeed the job of the US government to make that happen.
No, it isn't. And if you can't see the horror that a government-imposed national culture represents, you are an unabashed authoritarian.
If the a majority of the nation values "Western, Christian culture", it will remain the culture of America. What you don't accept is that a majority of Americans don't consider those things to be core elements of American culture. You think that justifies using legislation and government coersion to force people.
It doesn't.
Even if your intentions were good (which isn't likely), that is the primary building material for the road to Hell.
Was looking for something in my archives and found this instead.
It is incorrect to say that Congress has "failed to act" on the DREAM act or similar legislation.Indeed, Congress has debated the DREAM act or similar legislation multiple times and rejected it each time.
The original version of the DREAM Act was introduced on April 25, 2001. Scrapped in committee. A more limited version was introduced that same year, an in the Senate garnered the DREAM nomenclature. It failed to pass.
The language was added to The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006. Defeated.
The language was added to The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007. Defeated.
The language was added to the 2008 DoD Authorization bill. Tabled.
DREAM act proposed again in 2007. Failed.
Re-introduced in both houses in 2009, debate carried into 2010. Defeated. Reintroduced again 2 days later. Defeated.
Reintroduced again in 2010 a month after the two previous defeats. Passed the House, defeated in the Senate.
Reintroduced again 2011. Apparently died somewhere in the process.
On June 15, 2012, President Barack Obama announced that his administration would stop deporting undocumented immigrants who match certain criteria included in the proposed DREAM Act.
On August 15, 2012, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) began accepting applications under the Obama administration's new Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.
Because DACA was designed in large measure to address the immigration status of the same people as the DREAM Act, the two programs are often debated together, with some making little distinction between them and others focusing on the difference between the DREAM Act's legislative approach in contrast to the implementation of DACA through executive action.
So, Congress acted, acted, and acted again. Each time defeating the measure. Obama said screw Congress, I'm doing something on my own.
Are you as offended when culturally conservative executive orders are instituted?
I oppose executive orders and the supremacy of the Executive branch, but I oppose it when it does stuff I like as well as when it does stuff I loathe.
It is executive orders that are the problem, regardless of what order is being signed.
It seems reasonable to examine the particular euphemism being used. Claiming that people who have immigrated to this country unlawfully are simply "undocumented workers" belies their true status.
First, not all people who have immigrated to this country unlawfully are actually workers. Then consider that some of those who are working have presented fraudulent documents to obtain those jobs--they're "documented", but have committed a separate crime when they used the fraudulent papers. By the way, US Code says [Title 18, Part I, Chapter 47, Section 1015] "Whoever knowingly makes any false statement or claim that he is, or at any time has been, a citizen or national of the United States, with the intent to obtain on behalf of himself, or any other person, any Federal or State benefit or service, or to engage unlawfully in employment in the United States...Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."
Perhaps a more sensible euphemism is "unauthorized alien," but that would tend to make a car thief an "unauthorized driver" and drug-dealers "unauthorized pharmacists".
It seems disingenuous to downplay the fact that most people who have immigrated to this country unlawfully knowingly violated at least a handful of laws when they stepped foot across the border, knowingly violate another handful of laws when they get a job, are often willing to commit fraud and/or conspire with employers to violate another set of laws, and often seek taxpayer-funded relief in the form of food stamps, health care, etc.
I don't think that should warrant any euphemism, so I'll keep calling them "illegal aliens".
The wall DeFascist needs to start building is one to protect the Florida coastline from rising seas, instead of worrying about a wall which has nothing to do with his state.
I believe his nickname is DeSanctimonious. I heard it from the horse's ass ... I mean mouth.
All this talk about how much Gov. DeSantis is spending to deal with illegals and leftists....just a reminder that down here in Florida we have no state income tax, and in 2022 we had a budget surplus of $24 Billion bucks. So were not to awfully worried about how much it cost to send a few planeloads of future drains on society to another state - which I might add, had previously labeled themselves as a "sanctuary state.," and it only took them 24 hours to send them packing.
for DeSantis, keeping out immigrants is clearly more important than protecting the rights of either migrants or native-born Floridians.
Illegal immigrants have no right to be in the country, and native born Floridians deserve to have our nation's borders enforced.
I’m not a fan of big government, but protecting the borders is one of the few jobs the government must do. It’s arguably their most important job.
I’m also certain he posts comments from places the public library. Possibly also display model computers at stores like Best Buy. Or maybe he has an Obama Phone.
Slaver? Is that because I believe the first priority of any government should be it's citizens instead of illegal aliens?
Personally I believe that a government should protect the economic interests of it's citizens by limiting noncitizens entrance into the USA thus leaving the jobs, housing and benefits to it's citizens.