How To Save American Mass Transit
For transit to continue to serve a valuable role in the few places where it can compete, policy makers will need to rethink how service is provided.

As U.S. transit agencies approach a fiscal cliff due to dwindling ridership, some public transportation advocates have called for eliminating customer fares in an effort to increase ridership. At the same time, large mass transit systems are experiencing a persistent fare evasion problem that has fed broader public concern about transit crime and safety. But forgoing this source of revenue would worsen transit's already gloomy outlook as decades of research have found that ridership is more sensitive to service quality than fare price. Instead, advocates should be more realistic about transit's role in delivering 21st-century transportation in the U.S. and demand efficiency improvements so that transit can function well in the niche markets where it can provide the most value.
The COVID-19 pandemic caused nationwide mass transit ridership to crater by 95 percent at its worst. Congress responded by sending nearly five years' worth of pre-pandemic federal transit funding—$69.5 billion—between March 2020 and March 2021. Unlike conventional federal transit aid, these funds were largely unrestricted and could be used by transit agencies as they saw fit.
In contrast to transit's fiscal bailouts, ridership recovery has been slow. December 2022 ridership remained 34 percent below December 2019 levels, according to the Federal Transit Administration's National Transit Database, which also indicates that nationwide farebox recovery of operating costs from transit riders fell from 30 percent in 2019 to 13 percent in 2022, with taxpayer subsidies accounting for nearly all of the remaining balance. This figure does not include the capital costs to build and refurbish transit systems, where taxpayers have been responsible for virtually the entire tab since the middle of the 20th century.
Transit experts are increasingly expecting a prolonged ridership winter, with ridership forecasted to remain below 2019 levels at least through the remainder of the decade. As this reality has started to set in, some transit advocates have called for desperate measures to regain lost ridership, most notably transitioning to fare-free transit.
Supporters of fare-free transit do have a point that ending fare collections can increase transit ridership. But it's important to understand that not all ridership gains are created equal. Transit is often sold to the public as a solution to social costs related to the use of private automobiles, such as traffic congestion and pollution. Fare-free transit may entice those who were already dependent on transit, as well as people who would have otherwise walked or biked. But it likely won't draw many new riders who can drive their own cars. This means that while fare-free transit can provide private benefits for riders, it is unlikely to meaningfully increase the social benefits often touted by transit advocates to justify additional government subsidies.
This proposed move to fare-free transit has also been justified on progressive social justice grounds, with some advocates arguing that transit service should be treated as a commons and that fare enforcement unfairly targets individuals living on the margins of society. Critics counter that fares are already low and heavily subsidized and that fare enforcement can be used to stop people from entering transit systems who then commit crimes.
In the real world of scarcity and tradeoffs, eliminating fares may also starve agencies of revenue that could otherwise be used to improve service, including transit security that is generally paid for out of agency operating budgets that fares support. A January 2023 report published by the UCLA Institute of Transportation Studies notes that decades of research have shown that "service improvements are likely to be a more effective use of resources than fare reductions, even for low-income riders."
This tradeoff between eliminating fares and improving service is even more stark in a tightening fiscal setting. Over the next few years, large transit agencies in Chicago, New York, San Francisco, Washington, and a handful of other major metropolitan areas that account for the vast majority of nationwide transit trips will have completely spent down their pandemic funding windfalls. Absent large ridership increases, addressing future shortfalls will require some combination of fare increases, service cuts, state and local tax increases, and additional federal subsidies.
With ridership and farebox revenue unlikely to recover in the near future, advocates are expected to appeal to Congress for perpetual transit operating subsidies. However, assuming a divided Congress will even consider it, lawmakers will likely insist on a local match given that transit is fundamentally a local service. Federal transit subsidies have traditionally focused on capital cost assistance for infrastructure construction and vehicle procurement, not day-to-day operations. These grant programs have often required recipients to contribute matching funds equal to 50 percent of project costs. The upshot is that eliminating fare collection will simply dig a deeper hole for transit agencies seeking to raise matching funds needed to access potential federal operating subsidies.
Undoubtedly, some advocates will claim transit is underfunded, especially when compared to highway funding. But this appeal is undermined by national transportation expenditure data. According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics, combined federal, state, and local government spending on highways was over $2.6 trillion between 2007 and 2019. Transit spending was over $775 billion during this period, accounting for 22.6 percent of total highway and transit spending by all levels of government.
Compare this spending share to data from the most recent National Household Travel Survey from 2017, in which travel by transit accounted for just 2.5 percent of nationwide person-trips while travel by private automobiles accounted for 82.1 percent of trips. Transit appears to be extremely well-funded compared to its primary competitor.
Transit's outsized share of government funding relative to its travel share isn't commonly acknowledged in the political sphere, at least not with any precision. But economists have long noticed and analyzed this disparity. As a team of University of Pennsylvania and Brown University economists remarked in a 2020 working paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research, "The allocation of expenditure across modes of transportation requires scrutiny. That we spend about the same amount on public transit buses, which provide about 2 billion rides per year, as on the interstate highway system, which provides about 700 billion miles of vehicle travel per year, primarily for local travel, is a central and surprising feature of US transportation policy."
The biggest single problem facing transit is it tends to be poorly designed to serve modern transportation needs, and this was true even before the pandemic. Transit was always disproportionately used by commuters during the workweek, where transit accounted for 5 percent of journey-to-work trips, according to 2019 Census Bureau estimates. But even in its most favorable setting, transit declines have been steep, with transit's commuting share dropping from 12 percent in 1960 to just 2.5 percent in 2021, or half of its pre-pandemic share.
The reason for this decline is simple. In the second half of the 20th century, first households and then jobs dispersed from central cities into the surrounding suburbs. As a result, connecting people with employment by transit has become more and more challenging. By 2019, the University of Minnesota's Access Across America series showed those residing in the 50 largest U.S. metropolitan areas could on average access 47 percent of metro area jobs by car in 30 minutes of travel, or one hour of bidirectional daily commuting. In contrast, just 8 percent of jobs were accessible by transit in 60 minutes, or two hours of commuting. Working from home first surpassed transit's commuting market share in 2017, and the COVID-era increase in telecommuting among higher-income urban professionals is expected to remain several multiples above the pre-pandemic telecommuting share.
For transit to continue to serve a valuable role in the few places where it can compete, policy makers will need to rethink how service is provided. They must reconsider commuter-centric transit network designs and service schedules to account for remote and hybrid work, where allocating expenditures to serve high-volume rush-hour travel into central business districts five days a week is no longer defensible. They must somehow get transit capital costs under control, costs that dwarf those incurred by peer countries. They should consider smaller alternatives to better serve routes with fewer customers and avoid running vehicles mostly empty most of the time. Finally, they should pursue new technologies that could significantly reduce operating costs, especially automation, even if that means taking on powerful public employee unions.
Transit's future in the U.S. is uncertain, although broader societal trends are working against it. Eliminating customer fares may help transit regain some of its lost ridership, but this would likely undermine the flexibility of transit agencies to respond to a changing landscape and accelerate transit's long-run decline in the transportation marketplace. While transit will remain a niche mode regardless of what policy makers do, responsible leadership demands reevaluating status quo governance and adapting to best serve the customers most dependent on transit.
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Ditch the unions, and it will be profitable pretty quick. Start there.
Mass transit can only be profitable if it is run by private businesses without government controlling fares, routes, vehicle choice, or anything else that politicians love to meddle with. Get rid of taxi medallions, Uber and Lyft limits, airport pickup monopolies, everything else. Let people pick up and drop off fares anywhere that doesn't disrupt traffic (don't double park during commute hours) and charge any price they want.
By Gum! You'd have urban transit that sparkled by comparison with what we have now.
And light rail would disappear for the unprofitable inflexible abomination it is. New York's subways would probably remain in business, maybe some others, but most would be history.
Of course prices would go up. Boo hoo. The costs would go down, taxes would go down far more, and if governments want to keep subsidizing urban transit, the drop in transit expenditures would be more than enough for increased welfare or other direct subsidies to the poor, and they'd still have tax money left over.
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I'm with you, except for the part about expecting taxes to go down. The freed up funds would undoubtedly be funneled to other initiatives, like bike lanes and road diets.
Let people pick up and drop off fares anywhere that doesn’t disrupt traffic (don’t double park during commute hours)
You're on the right track. Govt owns the land - and the stops, stations, depots, etc - and can build them all over a city (literally every block on a grid could have somewhere to connect public transit) - and it is completely reasonable that they lease out scheduled pick up and drop off times. The operator handles ALL operations (routes, fare, schedules, vehicle, drivers, insurance/bond, etc). The govt leases the space, publicizes schedules at its stops, gets rid of thru traffic on residential grid streets and crappy stop-every-block bus/etc routes on arterials.
There is no problem other that the concept of public transportation. Don't need it. Uber and Lyft replaced public buses..and privatize subway systems..sell them off. I am very disappointed by Marc here. This is Reason. In 1991 as a new MBA, I worked for a consulting firm which had a contract with the city of LA to study the privatization of LAX (the city wanted the duty-free revenue stream). I didn't know where to start and was told to read a Reason foundation study of this option. Not only was it my first encounter with Reason but it led to my adopting austrian economics and becoming a libertarian. And now I read this garbage? End public transportation...there solved your problem.
I'm right with you there. By WHAT perversion of justice must I pay for YOUR ability to get from hither to yon? And by what sick perversion of reason do YOU get to be ferried about as you wish on MY nickel?
AND have your chosen means of getting about serve as a grievous aggravation as the rest of us use other means for our own needs being so often obsrructed because the city engineers are too stupid to figure out how to allow the big fat busses pull off the travelled part f the roadway to em/debark passengers, a service for which I am forced to pay by way of property taxes (dont forget anyone who RENTS a house pays these taxes through the property owner as part of that rent. )
This is government as sugar daddy at some of its worst.
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Fuck off, Kremlinbot.
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"Behmut is the Ukranian Verdun..."
There's not much to like about either of the regimes, and we don't have a dog in this fight.
But one invaded the other; Putin fan-boys should keep that in mind.
Saying it was the Ukrainian Verdun is not a Putin fan boy. It is like saying the Brits were destroyed at the Somme and being told you are a Kaiser fan boy....
The law of numbers are coming into play. Russia is going to force a negotiation...unless US troops are deployed and there is no way that is going to occur. Start the draft and watch all the Ukrainian flags disappear overnight.
Jesus, this is the shit that got Lavrov laughed off stage. Russia has already lost the war. They're just fighting for decent surrender terms now.
Could be right
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-bakhmut-f893b10637da1b46939777379b5d9905
Or just make gas vehicles illegal, mandate EV’s and everyone will have to use mass transit while their vehicles are home in the garage charging!
Has Reason forgot about the free market and TANSTAAFL now.
How To Save American Mass Transit
Libertarians: Privatize. If people want it, it will be profitable. If not, it will be replaced by something better.
Reason: MOAR government.
East Coast libertine bias. Number one problem with Reason.
I disagree, woke liberal socialist with their heads up their asses is Reason Writers No. 1 Problem.
No. 2 Problem - a very severe case of TDS
No. 3 Problem - strong hate for all conservatives.
No. 4 problem - while stating they are a "libertarian" site, they have no clue about what libertarians think.
No. 4 Problem - Biden lovers.
"Libertarians: Privatize."
In the city I use to live in, the bus system was privately owned, and was required to show a profit in order to operate. The result was fairly regular changes to routes and times, both seasonally and over time, as neighborhoods and commuting patterns changed. It sucked in a lot of ways. But, it's been operating for fifty years or so and one almost never sees an empty bus. So, yeah, privatization can work.
If we take enough people's cars away, we can force the public to ride mass transit.
1. cancel cars
2. cancel ride sharing
3. serve up some climate alarmism
4. dress it all up in some virtue signaling
So sayeth the nazi conspiracy theorist propraganda merchants, anyway.
You need the ride sharing to get to the train stops though, since they don't have enough parking.
No federal solution is needed. Let the states highly dependent on it work problems out for themselves. Of nobody is using mass transit, well the market has spoken.
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"some public transportation advocates have called for eliminating customer fares in an effort to increase ridership."
What a good idea. No business that is losing money on every transaction has ever failed because it increased the number of sales.
Idiots.
I am not aware of any mass transit system (in the US at least) that has not required tax money for creation and for continued operations. Just admit it is a jobs program for preferred transit and construction companies and let it go at that.
Sounds like a winning strategy to make up losing money per customer with much higher volume. *snicker*
I am compelled to point out that the Linberg Line in Philly and the San Diego Trolly are two mass transit systems that operated in the black; and the only two that I know of. Transportation planners attribute this not to any magic in San Diego and especially in Philly which is a real shit show of a city but to the morphology of the areas where those systems operate.
As an urban planning student I took classes under the guy responsible for the San Diego Trolly and while he was a big supporter of mass transit he also noted that in almost all areas jitney systems (mostly private vans with flexible routes and schedules) were the most cost effective approach but as a rule would operate in the red and require government money.
I would also point out that the phrase ‘out where the busses don’t run’ basically sums up the problem. The morphology of almost every American city makes it impossible to design a mass transit system that would serve a majority of the population. Maybe a bigger problem is that mass transit ridership is a tiny fraction of the population and always will be.
Another real problem is that mass transit systems are geographically limited to what I will call older mostly big East Coast or Midwest cities run by dems which typically precludes bipartisan support at a national level.
As an aside as MS mentioned while the interstate highway system accounts for massive miles traveled a huge amount of it is local. One out of the box solution that has been proposed is to only have entry/exit ramps on interstate every fifteen miles (put in a different number if you like as long as it is greater than ten miles) and local interstate travel would drop like a rock (and force cities to pay for building roads instead of depending on the federal government to do it, not to mention eliminate time consuming traffic jams on interstate in cities that harm long distance interstate users). Cities then might realize that providing some solution other than depending on the interstate for short trips could be cost effective.
"As an urban planning student I took classes under the guy responsible for the San Diego Trolly "
...but sadly, you didn't learn how to spell trolley. You must have been at a government school.
"I am not aware of any mass transit system (in the US at least) that has not required tax money for creation and for continued operations."
Or road systems. Or lots of other infrastructure. But, cities need these things to make them work, so that they can generate wealth. That's why we tax the wealth generated, and then build them.
(FWIW, I'm not sure about the US, but elsewhere in the world there are in fact lots of mass transit systems that were built by private investors, at least originally. The London Underground started off as a bunch of privately built lines, although it has since come under the control of a single quasi-governmental body which has built a lot more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_London_Underground )
Except it isn’t wealth generation, but wealth redistribution and siphoning. Staying with a late 19th, early 20th Century urban centric model just creates inequality, and not economic growth. Humans were forced into dense urban living for efficiencies of scale, esp in production. But many/most people don’t like living that closely packed together. It’s emotionally unhealthy. Plus it seems to encourage crime and lawlessness (as it does with rats). There is no compelling economic reasons to live that closely packed together, so why do politicians and other authorities insist on it? My view is that it is primarily for their personal political and economic reasons.
A less densely laid out city has even greater need for transportation. You've debunked your own point.
the loss in efficiency for most workers to depend on public transportation for getting goods (groceries)...in cities is immense. How many times would u have to go grocery shopping per week if you have a family? Which is one reason young couples move from cities along with privacy/open spaces. Hard to do this when both spouses work. Cities were needed at one time but now as Arthur C Clarke posited there is no need for them.
It's not an either-or.
I don't know about the tube - but the history of Detroit and Cleveland's streetcar systems give pause to privatized public transit. In Detroit (under Mayor Hazen Pingree), the city continually granted various rights to routes/operators. And kept granting different rights to different routes to try to spark competition. And every few months, the private streetcars would merge (eliminating competition) and then declare bankruptcy (eliminating the terms of the rights they were granted - mostly related to promises of fares).
Hazen Pingree ultimately decided that those systems had to become muni-owned in order to avoid the cycle of merger/bankruptcy. One of the streetcar owners Pingree dealt with was Tom Johnson. Who 10 or so years later became a Georgist, Mayor of Cleveland and proceeded to do similar things to Detroit.
"...but the history of Detroit and Cleveland’s streetcar systems give pause to privatized public transit. In Detroit (under Mayor Hazen Pingree), the city continually granted various rights to routes/operators. And kept granting different rights to different routes to try to spark competition. And every few months, the private streetcars would merge (eliminating competition) and then declare bankruptcy (eliminating the terms of the rights they were granted – mostly related to promises of fares)..."
JFree, among other issues, has no understanding of what "privatizing" means.
“could on average access 47 percent of metro area jobs by car in 30 minutes of travel.. . In contrast, just 8 percent of jobs were accessible by transit in 60 minutes”
I won't really mind public transportation except I can drive to work in about 15 minutes. If I ride the bus it takes 40-45. If I miss the first bus or the connection the commute jumps to over an hour.
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A few years ago there was a push to tax companies and businesses that had their own parking lots. The tax was to be the same as the City made from the paid lots. Two of the stated benefits was that some of the funds could go to mass transit and that the tax would make some companies and businesses get rid of their parking forcing their employees to use mass transit. Thankfully it didn't go anywhere.
Why do maga-nut traitors find it so hard to distinguish between 'incentivising' and 'forcing'?
Taxing someone's property is not incentivizing, you stupid fuck.
It literally is, you deranged traitor. Bit rich for a drooling moron like you to call others stupid, and definitely amusing that you call someone a fuck, but will never experience fucking.
Davedave; here to prove how full of shit he is.
Fuck off and die, slaver.
Why can't people just be allowed to live the way they want to? central planning is just liberals and bolshies who have to have control of people due to inferiority complexes, needing attention, and sociopathic need for control. All public transportation should be shut down. Including Amtrack..
"Why can’t people just be allowed to live the way they want to?"
Because people like you are evil, traitorous scum.
No, because slimy piles of lefty shit like you need to be prevented from telling decent people what to do, asshole.
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How To Save American Mass Transit
In it's present form, should we?
On a more brainstorming note, turn public transit into a private commercial and entertainment venue, with bars, restaurants, spas, swimming pools, bands, dance floors, and shops! Who wouldn't want to take a train trip and see Disco Flo & The Rhythm Skaters?
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And if a train is going Cross-State or Cross-Country, trains would be an excellent way for brick-and-mortar stores to gauge the profitability of building in unserved markets.
Just put a mini-store on a train, advertise the itenerary of where the train will be stopping, then see how many customers line up for wares at the depots. If the train-based store gets enough buyers and makes enough profit, a new location springs up.
Admittedly, this is throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks because tax subsidy of a dying 19th (really late 18th Century) mode of transportation that nobody fancies anymore is an even worse idea,
You’re going to say nothing about the homeless on the public transport?
Now, even though it cost money, The homeless sneak in.
And they make The experience of riding the bus and train awful for the rest of us
Just try and imagine what it would be like when all those people sleeping on the sidewalk are instead sleeping on the subway.
I can guarantee that the rest of the public will immediately flee the transport system..
So making it free is the worst possible idea
No, it's a good idea, because then people will use them for transportation only if they really want to. Plus, it keeps the homeless from congregating in any particular neighborhood, and it gets them out of the weather.
"You’re going to say nothing about the homeless on the public transport?"
Bingo. When I visit DC I'll use the Metro when it makes sense, but I won't step foot on a bus. This, as well as general cleanliness, are the big elephants in the room.
In a hypothetical world where such sensible things as properly organised public transport exist, why wouldn't decent treatment of the homeless also exist?
In this actual world, what the fuck is wrong with you, you shithead?
Because both cost money. A lot of money. And it has to come from somewhere.
Besides, you have to address the true causes of homelessness. Very often it is either drug and/or mental health related.
Way to miss the point, you festering pustule.
Eat shit and die, fuckface.
"..In this actual world, what the fuck is wrong with you, you shithead?..."
Whatever it is, steaming pile of pile of lefty shit, you've got him beat by miles.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
No more light rail boondoggles. Bus lines are flexible - the route can be shifted if a new business campus opens 1/2 mile away from the existing route, or if a mall shuts down. Rails cannot be easily moved. Another gripe (as witnessed at SEPTA): too much service, with large buses running mid-day routes with one, two or three passengers aboard. And drivers taking 15 or 20 minute breaks (with motors running, of course) every time they end a one hour run. You shouldn't take more than five minutes to pee or stretch, and start back to originating terminal!
One reason drivers take the 5-15 minute breaks is the buss is suppose to run on a schedule and most busses arrive at the end of the line early because they almost never stop at all possible buss stops on the route because there are no passengers getting on or off at those stops. If a buss runs ahead of schedule and arrives and leaves a stop early this means that a passenger getting to a stop on time will miss the buss.
There are plenty of reasons to dis mass transit union rules but this is not one of them.
Since you spelled it with double "s", I couldn't help imagining it all as kissing. Which was hilarious and poignant at the same time. Like Cocaine Bear.
If the schedule says it will be at my stop at 4:15 then I don't want it passing by at 4:05 just so driver can get an extra ten minutes at turnaround.
"large buses running mid-day routes with one, two or three passengers aboard"
This is usually because it's cheaper overall than running a parallel fleet of smaller buses and switching them in and out during the day.
The drivers aren't taking breaks at the end of runs, the buses are, for scheduling reasons.
Light rail fills a completely different role to buses in an integrated transport system. I think in the US trams are commonly called light rail, but are actually something different again, and fill yet another role.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_railway
It shows me that the schedule is too frequent. Run half as often mid day and get more riders per trip.
It isn't really that simple. Running half as often may mean getting even fewer passengers, because the service doesn't run often enough to be useful. The classic (extreme) example is places which reduced the bus service to the point where the return journey was the day after the outward journey, and then acted surprised that ridership dropped to near zero.
In order to replace cars mass transit must be comparable in cost and convenience. Examples? New York and Tokyo. Trains running at least every 10 minutes. Travel time less than driving.
Want one that sucks? DC. Trains running 15-20 minutes. Stop so often and go so slow I could've walked in less time.
Figure out how IF it'll work in your area. Then make it attractive & affordable. If you can't do that it's guaranteed to fail.
Or they could, you know, sell the trains and the tracks to the highest bidder. If the routes are profitable, the government will get good bids, quality will go up over time, prices will fall, and more people will take transit. Isn’t that the goal?
If the routes are unprofitable, the bids will be lower and the trains and tracks will be sold for scrap, as they should be. It could even help reduce inflation a bit, with all that scrap iron suddenly on the market.
Your idea of valuing routes based on fare revenue is as wrong as your understanding of inflation.
So, how do you determine fares and the like? Monetary contributions to politicians and their reelection campaigns? Essentially, if you are eschewing economic rate setting, you end up with it being done politically, by some means.
Have you heard of econometrics? (Obviously not. That would require you to have a beyond-first-grade understanding of how the world works.)
Were you born as asshole, or did it take you until your third try at 1st grade to become one?
Eat shit and die, fuckface.
Econometrics is mostly bullshit. The equations have little to do with reality. It isn't physics. You have the value calculation problem again. More factors in the linear equations which are subjective can give you whatever answer you want.
So you straight-up don't know what econometrics means? Got it. Economics and econometrics are related but not the same thing.
Seems the best idea is just to pass a law requiring all businesses to be in one location, and all housing to be in another location, and run the mass transit between those two places.
(no more crazy than what we have now)
Libertarian transit analyst Bill Wendt told me 45 years ago that fares don't capture the economic benefit of urban passenger rail (subways, elevateds, streetcars) as efficiently as taxes on nearby businesses would.
But those economic forces no longer operate as they once did, when economies of scale made large concentrations of workers profitable.
Philly's mass transit system was private up through at least WW2. I'm sure other cities were the same. Privatize it and be done with it.
The benefits are enjoyed by a far wider group than the passengers. Just like roads are not only for car drivers. The only fair thing to do is to fund these things through general taxation.
That has nothing to do with what I wrote. But you knew that. And define "fair", from all perspectives.
It has everything to do with what you wrote. Privatisation - in the sense of making it purely profit-driven* - would be economically harmful. Fair means equitable. Taxing people on generated wealth in order to fund the infrastructure that helps generate wealth is generally accepted to be fair all round.
*Contracting out the running of a publicly funded service is obviously the sensible way to do most things. It isn't really privatisation, though.
You seem to be stuck in 1920s, and not 2020s economics. Dense urban cores no longer make much economic sense. When I can do my job remotely in rural MT, tied to the rest of the world by high speed Internet, why force everyone to commute into dense urban offices and factories?
More like 1918; a commie shit.
No-one's suggested any such thing except you. If you spread people out more, the people doing the work that makes that possible still need to get around. In fact, as I said, they need to travel _more_.
Eat shit and die, fuckface.
"Taxing people on generated wealth in order to fund the infrastructure that helps generate wealth is generally accepted to be fair all round."
Buses aren't "infrastructure", and they don't "generate wealth".
You lose. Try again.
They are, and they are. This is proven fact. Why not argue the stuff that is open for debate, instead of the facts?
Maybe fear was misspelled?
Benefits, (n.): forcible confiscation and violent initiation of force to create urine-and-vomit-soaked collectivist utopias at someone else's expense, all the while increasing the coercive power of union goons and looter politicians.
There is a reason there isn’t hardly any privatization users rarely think mass transit is worth the costs. They want everyone else to pay.
Then mixed-economy regulators and their armed parasites pounce. That's what has always happened since looter altruism became a fad.
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Ways to save American mass transit.
1. Relocate welfare department to a train car.
2. Pay citizens to ride mass transit (see Pell grants).
3. Define private automobiles as mass transit.
4. Finance mass transit systems with 100 year bonds. {see social security}
5. Write off debt to general fund. (see USPS)
6. Lets not and say we did.
Private automobiles ARE mass transit! Government buses stuffed with fools, pickpockets, winos, urine and vomit are collective transportation.
"...The COVID-19 pandemic caused nationwide mass transit ridership to crater by 95 percent at its worst..."
No, the tin-pot-dictator wannabes did that.
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Mass transit is so amazing its biggest proponents don’t think it is worth paying for themselves.
One huge factor I've never seen mentioned in such discussions is this: at least SOME federal money is used for the purchase of nearly every bus or light rail and many trolleys used in the US. this includes for transit and commute busses, trolleys, light rail, and school busses, ESPECIALLY school busses. Federal regs also mandate that any such equipment bought with any part Federal money can NOT be in service for more than ten years. What does this mean? Every year your local tax subsidised transit system, school, light rail, etc MUST take all the tenth-year of service equipment OFF the line. That also means that equipment must be replaced... with NEW, The cost of a typical no frills transit.muni bus these days is near $250 to $300K dollars. What happens to the retired equipment? It gets sold at public auction. A typical school bus will maybe fetch $3000, more likely under $2K. Muni busses fetch maybe $5 to 6 K. New school busses take around $125 to 150K to replace. IS that equipment truly wrn out? Never. Some years ago, to help support a mission organisation in Nicaragua, friends raised money and purchased a retired local (I seem to remember they paid $1250 or so) district school bus because it was more than ten years old. Full sized, standup headroom, 45 foot long, Ford built with 3208 Caterpilar V8 engiine. Good tyres and a spare in a locker under. A team of about five drove it from just south of Portland Oregon through Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, into Nicaragua and delivered it to the work down there. It arrived in early 1987. In 1999 when I was there helping that same organisation with releif work after Hurricane Mitch, I had opportunity to travel in that same bus. (I had seen it before they left Oregon) It still ran well, the suspension rather hammered after tens of thousands of miles in battered dirt roads, hauling loads that would have gotten the driver arrested back in Oregon. They had done naiught but change oil and filter, fuel filter, perhaps a U joint in the drive line..... same clutch it had when it left Oregon. The district was forced to fleece their taxpayers to buy a new bus (at that time around $90) Under conditions it had known in Oregon, that bus would have served easily another fifteen or twenty years. But no, Uncle hath said.....
COmmercial equipment has, until these past decade or two, lasted for millions of miles in daily service and remains ready to continue on indefinitely. I know of one Mack truck tractor that had, last I heard eight million miles on the clock, original engine never removed, one new clutch, gearboxes and differentials still perfect. And still worked every day earning the same money the next guy was making, with truck payments of a couple thousand dollars each month and repair bills enough to choke a billygoat.
If ya want someting really mucked up, have the government involved. And WE PAY.
Continuing to maintain that bus was probably a false economy, but the recipients didn't have the money for the capital outlay required to replace it. And that's even in an economy with much lower labour rates. I would also hope that the group you were involved with selected one of the best of the available buses to send to Nicaragua, rather than picking one at random; one would expect there to be others that were not as cheaply maintainable.
That said, it is obviously insane to mandate replacement times rather than looking at the economics of individual cases.
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Libertarians for policy makers saving public transit!
It's the New Libertarianism!
The correct technical term--used in every language outside the Yew Ess Looter Kleptocracy--is "Collective transportation." Mass transit is the use of mass-produced cars and bikes by large populations of individuals to get from hither to thither. This was explained by Reason contributor Petr Beckmann back in 1975. Adopting Bowdlerizations of communist slang only makes you an accessory, or useful idiot.
Petr Beckmann was a Reason contributor at one point? Presumably that was before they sold out and became Treason.com instead.
For transit to continue to serve a valuable role in the few places where it can compete, policy makers will need to rethink how service is provided.
The question IGNORED here is if public transit actually serves a valuable role at all. If there is any question it it can compete, the answer is NO.
The proper question isn't HOW service is provided. It is WHY government provides it.
"The question IGNORED here is if public transit actually serves a valuable role at all."
Yes, it literally went without saying that it does. The article assumes everyone knows that, much like they know the difference between up and down without having it explained. Public transit systems play a vital role in wealth generation. It is a form of vital infrastructure, like roads, sewerage systems, and so-on. That is thoroughly proven, even well-quantified, and utterly indisputable.
You're welcome to argue about the form it should take, you can even argue that it should all be individual, privately-owned vehicles, but it's idiotic nonsense to suggest it isn't useful.
Uber/Lyft just is more efficient. Most people have cars. If there is a need for buses, a private company will provide it. Just like public housing...it doesn't work. Get rid of it all.
"Uber/Lyft just is more efficient."
Well, then, that'll be easy to prove and there'll be lots of science showing it, right?
The simple reality is that there are many, many different sets of circumstances around the world, and what is best in one set is not best in another. No idea why you'd bother to deny that.
Walking is great exercise, and most Americans need more exercise as they are obese, especially in urban areas. IF you need transportation, electric bikes are pretty cheap..my point is you have so many affordable market substitutes to govt central planning. The best thing for America is to get rid of all "social science" experts. No more urban planners. No more public housing, no more public transportation.
Way back in the last century, when I was growing up there was a private bus company that took passengers from their homes along its route, all the way to the big shopping center a few towns over, and back later the same day. All you had to do is stand out at the street and wave at the bus, and the driver would stop and pick you up.
The bus stayed on a pretty regular timetable, and my neighbor would use the bus to do her weekly shopping.
Then the county took over.
The bus stopped running within two years, by 1966.
We need a damned libertarian publication.