Alabama Set To Resume Executions. But Will They Stop Botching Them?
"No one buys this sham of a review," wrote one critic. "And the reason we don't buy it is because we all have functioning brains."

After calling for a moratorium on executions in the state, Alabama's governor has announced that executions will resume, following the completion of an investigation into the state's execution procedures. However, critics have raised concerns with the quality of the investigation, citing a lack of transparency—and some troubling legal developments—that make it likely that Alabama will soon return to botching executions.
Last Friday, Alabama Governor Kay Ivey (R) announced that the state would resume executions, following the results of an investigation into the state's execution practices. The investigation was ordered in November, following a series of high-profile botched executions in the state. While Ivey praised the investigation, stating on February 24 that it would allow the state to "resume our duty of carrying out lawful death sentences," critics took swift concern with the investigation—citing its lack of transparency.
"Far too many Alabama families have waited far too long—often for decades—to obtain justice for the loss of a loved one and to obtain closure for themselves," wrote Gov. Ivey on Friday. "This brief pause on executions was necessary to make sure we can successfully deliver that justice and that closure."
The investigation was carried out by officials in the Alabama Department of Corrections (ADOC), rather than an independent agency. ADOC didn't make the full results of its investigation public, instead simply releasing a two-page letter to the governor which loosely described the changes the agency plans to undertake.
In the letter, John Q. Hamm, the Department's commissioner, makes a vague commitment to increase medical staff, writing that ADOC will "add to its pool of available medical personnel for executions," though the letter doesn't describe what qualifications new medical personnel will be required to have, and if more medical staff will be involved in the execution process. Hamm also noted that the state has carried out multiple "rehearsals" of the execution process "to ensure that our staff members are well-trained and prepared to perform their duties during the execution process."
Most troublingly, though not surprisingly, Hamm praised a recent change to the state's execution procedures granted by the state Supreme Court. Last month, it granted an amendment to the state's execution rules, allowing the state to choose a "time frame" in which an inmate can be executed, rather than a set 24-hour period. This change appears to be motivated by the state's failed attempts to execute inmates Kenneth Eugene Smith, and Alan Eugene Miller as staff was unable to place the IV necessary to begin the lethal injection process before midnight on this execution date.
Hamm describes how this change will make it easier to limit inmates' ability to mount legal challenges to their executions, writing that "this change will make it harder for inmates to 'run out the clock' with last-minute appeals and requests for stays of execution."
In fact, Hamm's letter consistently used language that characterized legal appeals of death sentences as morally suspect, writing that "death row inmates will continue seeking to evade their lawfully imposed death sentences," despite minor policy changes. Ivey also deployed this framing of inmates' Constitutional rights to appeal their sentences, writing on Friday that "death-row inmates will continue doing everything in their power to evade justices."
This framing—as well as the lack of transparency—has sparked concern among critics, who argue that, despite the pretense of an investigation, the state is doing little to meaningfully address its botched execution problem.
"No one buys this sham of a review," wrote Josh Moon, a reporter at the Alabama Political Reporter. "And the reason we don't buy it is because we all have functioning brains. And those functioning brains tell us that you can't repeatedly botch executions—and botch them because you're repeatedly failing to accomplish some of the simplest tasks related to that execution—and not have way bigger issues than needing to practice more."
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That's revenge, not justice. Legal justice is catching the murderer. True justice would be undoing the crime, and is not possible.
So they’re doing the next best thing.
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No, they're not doing the next best thing. The next best thing is not killing someone because you're mad at them, you fucking libertarian psycho
Revenge is a necessary part of justice.
Not State revenge on others' behalf.
We can give the family the option of pulling the trigger. Would that make you feel better?
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Execution is NOT revenge. It is justice. Life for a life. When someone wilfully and deliberately ends the life of another, that one has earned his own death. Anything less is not justice.
No it does not restore the life of the one dead. Nothing can ever do that. But it does do two things: punish the guilty one making certain he never can do that again, and providing a strong deterrent to any others who may consider taking an innocent life.
A major contributing factor to the increasing number of murders in this country is the FACT that far too many murders are not dealt with appropriately, as outlined above. If those punks doing the senseless killings in the big cities were to be quite certain they WILL face their own death at the hands of the State, they might think again before squeezing that trigger or slashing that knife.
In order to make a government justice system workable, citizens agree to forego private vengeance and leave it up to the state. Citizens would not agree to give up that right if they didn’t trust the government to exact vengeance on their behalf. That’s the deal that makes socialized justice acceptable.
Why not compromise and just hire or bring them to a veterinarian and give them carte blanche. Because the irrational way people feel about their pets, I hear they don't botch many put downs.
It is amazing how incompetent government is at such a simple task, regardless of how much the anti-execution folk (me included) put up obstacles. And yet they want government to do more and more.
There should be no obstacles.
There should be no state executions.
Yes.
No. There should be state executions. I offer every serial killer ever as an example.
If you're going to kill them why not use their bodies for alive-science?
So, just declare them outlaw, meaning anybody can shoot them without consequences.
^this is the way
I like it.
you would prefer a massive increase in the number of murders, then? That's what IS and will continue to happen.
Why might that be? Simple... not enough motivation NOT to murder.
I am firmly convinced that anyone who murders by the use of a firearm (or perhaps even an edged weapon) should be executed by firing squad. No hood, face the shooters, ten rounds each, on command commence firing and continue until the cease fire command. Let them experience the same thing they put to their victims, and cinsider their depravity in wanton killing of another.
Tape it, and broadcast it on the local county court channel. Let anyone who wants tosee what will happen to anyone who uses a gun/knife to murder.
They are actually that bad at everything.
And yet they want government to do more and more.
You may disagree that any given criminal or some criminals are the moral and social equivalent of rabid dogs, but some of them are. Just because someone shoots a rabid dog doesn't mean they want to shoot more rabid dogs or more dogs to contract rabies. All stopping someone from shooting a rabid dog does is create more responsibility for care and prevention of the actions of the rabid dog. Care and prevention by people you assert are so incompetent as to be unable to kill it.
Even if the government were somehow, despite being so incompetent at killing people, superlatively capable of converting rabid dogs into good, upstanding, right-thinking/voting citizens, is that desirable? Or do you just want to keep more and more people locked in cages, or let them back out on the street?
The problem is not the State's incompetence at shooting rabid dogs, it is the State's incompetence at discerning rabid dogs, which leads directly to corruption.
Illinois's governor commuted all death row sentences to life without parole because more people had gotten off death row by being exonerated than by dying, and all those false convictions were by police and prosecutor misconduct, ie, forged evidence and testimony.
Your two claims together are Tony-level self-contradictingly and retardedly absurd. Like to the point that they nearly aren’t even credulous enough to refute.
“Sure, the Bureau of Prisons isn’t riddled with corruption but the executioners are rolling in the dough and political power because, uh, there’s lots of money to be made in, uh, killing a couple people, maybe, fewer than the number of people who die or are killed in prison anyway, every year. More importantly, whether the corruption is in the BOP, the DAs office, the local PD, the executioner’s chair, or somewhere else entirely, former-Governor and ex-Con (Don’t blame him for the corruption conviction, it was probably all that sweet power and money he was pulling down performing executions!) George Ryan will be the moral prototype that sorts it all out.”
JFC, I’ll never understand how you people seemingly teleport to this degree/these levels of stupidity. It’s almost like you really want the corruption and more people to be executed, you just don’t want someone other than yourself to be in charge of it.
What the fuck are your ambling about? There's not a lick of comprehensible argument in any of that word salad.
Because your underlying argument of "The problem isn't executions, the problem is corruption. See, as solution to the problem, the executions stayed by a Governor convicted of corruption." is utter nonsense.
Illinois’s governor commuted all death row sentences to life without parole because he was taking heat for handing out commercial driver's licenses to unqualified drivers for bribes. One of whom caused the fiery deaths of six children.
Gov George Ryan didn't think much of the death of six children and wondered why the Willis family couldn't get over it. His commutation was strictly done for PR purposes, some of his flunkies put in a nomination for the Nobel peace prize, George didn't win and eventually went to jail.
I don't give a shit what bad breakfast he'd eaten or whether he'd gotten laid that night. Those were the statistics he presented as his excuse, and they were verified in the report I saw. They illustrate exactly what I said, that State execution is immoral and a great opportunity for corruption.
No country can be truly civilized without a properly thought out death penalty.
you truly are a chud.
The Chicago cops had been framing innocent people for decades some of whom ended up on death row and some of whom ended up dead. George Ryan was a thoroughly corrupt Illinois politician. But the moratorium did not increase his popularity. I was here at the time and I still remember the press coverage. In those days no politician wanted to piss off the CPD. Whatever his motivations it needed to be done.
I was here at the time too. It was the decision that pushed me over the edge about capital punishment. Revealed to me the illusion of "If we never execute anyone justice is done (better)."
The core of justice that we all agree on is parsing the innocent from the guilty. Ryan didn't do that. What Ryan did was an 11 on the social justice scale. Ryan enacted equity of outcomes between, by your own precepts, people who were framed and people who were unequivocally guilty. The same sentence for murderers and the wrongly convicted is the opposite of justice, punishment of death or not.
As with my reply to Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf, ultimately, the lauding of Ryan's decision is a nonsense 'MUH FEELZ' deflection in typical SJW fashion.
I don't think any of us feel really good about paying to provide three hots and a cot for Jacqueline Williams for the rest of her life. But, specific decisions, cases, and executions aside, looking to justice more broadly, we agree that a core problem is the corruption, the CPD, the DA. Did the blanket clemency fix a lick of it? Fuck no.
Making a broken justice system about executions is like making a broken policing system about race. There are people out there who will host baby showers, print up fake birth certificates, and the proceed to cut an unborn baby from a pregnant mother's womb, leaving the witnesses that unable to testify, under the age of 2 alive while killing the other witnesses, 8 and 10. People whom, if the state has the power and ability to reform, they have beyond the power to make ordinary citizens commit far less grievous evil. Sparing those people to make yourself feel just is no more moral or correct than convicting people on false and circumstantial evidence. 200ish yrs. ago when courts were fewer and further between, detectives were unheard of, and frontier justice was a thing, (or even 50ish when people were still dragged to death behind pickup trucks) a *superlative* adherence to Blackstone's Ratio may've been sensible, even commendable. We don't live in that era and there are people willingly turning Blackstone's ratio on you. Openly answering "If it's better to let 10 guilty men go free than let 1 innocent man suffer." with "OK, we'll punish 10 innocent men and let 100 guilty men go free."
So how many people were actually executed over the last fifty years that were later proven innocent?
Hard to tell because the state typically destroys the evidence post-execution, but there are more than a few whose guilt is highly questionable. Cameron Todd Willingham is one good example. There are certainly cases where on the final sum of evidence, the executed person would not have been convicted in the first place, e.g., Larry Swearingen.
And there are enough cases of people whose exculpation resulted from events outside the normal process of justice to think that there must be instances where the exculpatory evidence was not located.
You should just adopt the honest approach of saying that the DP is so worthwhile, the execution of a few innocents is a price worth paying. So few people do, though.
You should just adopt the honest approach of saying that the DP is so worthwhile, the execution of a few innocents is a price worth paying.
By the same token, you should adopt the honest approach of saying that a few more innocent people maimed, murdered, and held in indefinite detention, with more police and guards to handle it all at taxpayer expense, is a price worth paying to eliminate the DP.
I agree with Blackstone's Ratio. I also agree that anyone reducing all of justice down to Blackstone's Ratio is doing Justice a disfavor, even so far as specifically corroding it, with their dishonesty.
They conveniently kill a convicted so they don't have to pay years of upkeep, while also legally destroying the evidence so they escape blame.
The closest you're going to get is to look at something like "The Innocence Project" and see how many are getting off because of police / prosecutorial misconduct.
then what you are asserting is that those corrupt gummit uffishuls who presented false evidence, withheld exonorating evidence, etc, have LIED. Tere is a term for this, from the bible: bearing false witness against another. And that same bible also addresses such action: the one bearing false witness MUST face the same consequences the one lied about received, or would have received had the testimony been taken at face value.
In other words anyone falsely testifying, or knowingly withholding exonerating evidence, WILL get the punishment the falsely accused would have gotten or did get, because of the lies.
In other words some of those prosecutors and false defense attorneys in Illinois should be facing the death penalty themselves. THAT would end the practice of lying to the court. If nothing else because all the liars would be dead and thus unable to play that game ever again.
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A man casually shoots a homeless guy in broad daylight as others watch and do nothing.
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I've lived in Alabama for 67 years. The only thing worse than government is Alabama government. Yes they will probably be unable to kill a person, which isn't that hard to do.
You do realize the bullshit obstacles you put up are causing much of the issue, right? You blame the State for not adhering to your crazy restrictions because the restrictions were never the point.
How the investigation went.
Investigator: “Hey bubba, you’re not going to fuck up another execution, are you?”
Bobby-Ray Cracker II: “hell naw, we been training.”
Investigator: “How you been training?”
Bobby-Ray: “Caught some possums, shot ’em full of poison, they all upped and died”
Investigator: “Sounds good. You speak to Joe-Bob?”
Bobby-Ray: “Yeah, he done help me with the possums. We all done good.”
Investigator’s report. “Following extensive interviews, this investigation can confirm that the professionals responsible for executions in the State of Alabama have revised their methods and have conducted further training. We are confident that, consequently, the risk of future errors during executions is minimal.”
Governor: “We done investigated, and it’s all copacetic.”
I just love leftist bigots. Now do blacks in the ‘hood.
I'm not a leftist. And if you think that my mocking people from Alabama makes me a bigot, I guess you must be some kind of shitkicker snowflake.
"And if you think that my mocking people from Alabama makes me a bigot"
Ummm, yeah. It kind of does. Do you know what "bigotry" actually means?
Yes. Mockery is not bigotry. But I guess you're another shitkicker snowflake.
You’re a bigot that mocks the targets of your bigotry. And for the record, I’m from the Pacific Northwest. Although I briefly lived in the south during my military service.
Make no mistake, you’re a bigot.
I don't give a shit about where you're from or where (or that) you served. Alabama has done enough to warrant mockery. And you've posted enough now to have cemented your position as a snowflake.
Now do black people
who are the black people?
I’m not really sure, I’m not a geneticist.
even if you were ...
Those who voted for Biden.
>>mocking people from Alabama makes me
an American?
So bigotry is cool now?
Among the left? It always has been .
I live in Alabama. You got the conversation right.
Surely they could find someone in Alabama who could competently place a bullet, if not an IV?
If they do botch executions, they can say - At least we're not Mississippi
That's exactly what we say. Haha
The problem here is that in order to make executions more palatable for audiences, they want it to be bloodless, clean, and not to look, well, vindictive.
So no bullet (messy), no hanging (there's an art to getting the length of rope right. Just right, you break a neck. Too long, you decapitate them. Too short, they asphyxiate), no electric chair (it takes a certain kind of depravity to want to smell bacon at an execution) and so-on.
But lethal injection? When it works, it's clean, simple, almost peaceful.
The problem, of course, is that dosages, placing IVs and so-on, are medical work, best done by medical professionals. On the simple side, but still, best done by someone who sticks IVs in more then once every couple of months.
And the problem with that is that medical professionals have increasingly come around to the viewpoint that participating in an execution violates their oath.
Similarly, companies that once provided drugs used in executions have decided they don't want to be involved, making it harder to get effective drugs that keeps the execution painless and clean (i.e., palatable for audiences).
The result is what we're currently seeing: people who rarely stick in IVs botching it badly, using drugs that may or may not work cleanly, on people that may or may not have been anesthetized properly.
Chloroform, and a twelve gauge shotgun blast to the head at point blank range are 100% effective, cheap, and painless. Just put down lots of plastic first.
So is nitrogen asphyxiation. Or, any method that's handy after administering standard surgical anesthetics. The anti-death penalty googoos have deliberately made the process ugly and unreliable to turn the public against it.
Exactly. 100% nitrogen delivered through a face mask guarantees within minutes a death no more painful than falling asleep.
No medical experience required.
It’s iridculous. I understand there is an important and legitimate debate over the existence of the death penalty in our country. But all these games played by the anti death penalty zealots are ridiculous.
“The problem here is that in order to make executions more palatable for audiences, they want it to be bloodless, clean, and not to look, well, vindictive.”
Have you done an assessment of these “audiences”?
Are you sure they don’t want to see violent executions of people convicted of first-degree murder?
Suppose the audience wants to see violent retribution against capital offenders. Maybe it’s wrong, but can you show that they’d prefer clean and non-icky executions?
*Someone* was watching all those public hangings they used to have.
*Someone* was going to the Colisseum to watch the executions.
I encourage you to postulate an alternate hypothesis on why every state in the union that still performs executions have moved towards bloodless, quiet executions.
Could you posit a hypothesis where you say something more sensible?
Try this out, after arranging the necessary permissions, put a “bloodless, quiet” execution video on Youtube, and also put a violent execution video there. See which video gets more engagement.
'Have you done an assessment of these “audiences”?'
It's not the audiences that are in control here, it's the officials that are afraid someone might be squeamish if an official killing happens to look like a killing.
As for me: Show me a murderer that went out of his way to be humane yet was sentenced to death by a jury, and I might worry a little about whether his execution is painful. In any real murder case, I can worry about whether they are executing an innocent man because the police stopped looking at the first suspect, or because the prosecutor hid exculpatory evidence, introduced fake evidence, and used emotional appeals to keep the jury from looking at the facts - but if there is no question about actual guilt, I'm not going to worry about anything the killer might suffer short of medieval tortures.
Many years ago I read a book about the history of executions. So early on if somebody fucked up they were just chopped up and offered to the gods. Then we invented government and put them in charge. This involved bureaucrats so rules had to be established. Within normal parameters. In the western world hanging seemed like the most efficient means with the added benefit that if it was a public event the ner do wells would think twice about fucking up. But when the Brits started hanging little kids for stealing bread, the bleeding hearts demanded change. Thankfully, Einstein or somebody invented electricity. How about an electric chair where the perp could kick back and relax while we fry his brain? This was high tech shit and obviously a much more humane method of ridding the planet of evil. Of course we didn't have cell phone cameras back then but some smartass smuggled out some black and whites of some evildoer with flames shooting out of his eyes and the bleeding hearts screamed their heads off. Again. Clearly we needed new normal parameters. Lethal injection sure fit the bill. We do it to dogs every day. Shit, some guy could get a bad bag of H and do it to himself. Problem solved. Or maybe not.
Seriously. We've been reinventing this thing for thousands of years to make it seem like execution can somehow be a legitimate function of government. It isn't. Just stop. Problem solved.
Third time is a charm.
An OD on H.
The executed is flying until the end comes.
And the problem with that is that medical professionals have increasingly come around to the viewpoint that participating in an execution violates their oath. Unless it's an abortion.
Guillotine
"And the problem with that is that medical professionals have increasingly come around to the viewpoint that participating in an execution violates their oath."
But somehow chemically (and sometimes surgically) castrating/mutilating is A-okay with the Hippocratic oath. Someone square that circle for me.
"No one buys this sham of a review," wrote Josh Moon, a reporter at the Alabama Political Reporter. "And the reason we don't buy it is because we all have functioning brains. And those functioning brains tell us that you can't repeatedly botch executions—and botch them because you're repeatedly failing to accomplish some of the simplest tasks related to that execution—and not have way bigger issues than needing to practice more."
Good Lord, Alabama, if we're going to successfully execute people, just go to Canada and see how they're doing it. They've got a high-efficiency assembly line over there, going 24x7, and the trains even run on time.
Government run prisons killing murderers is inhumane. Government run hospitals killing people is compasion. Did I get that right?
The VA is so good, people wait months to get in
Did I get that right?
No. 'Compassion' has two 's'es.
You are awfully pedantic for being mad casual.
I don't like this "closure" stuff, because it sounds like covering up a tragedy with psychobabble.
If you mean that victims would derive some satisfaction from seeing the execution carried out after a long delay, then the term "relief" might better express the emotions involved.
Guillotine....quick and easy.
And the cost could be defrayed with pay-per-view.
Boring. Have them face off against 3 bears emerging from a trunk.
>>"Far too many Alabama families have waited far too long—often for decades—to obtain justice for the loss of a loved one and to obtain closure for themselves
maybe I'm too Lifey but I don't understand justice from another dead human
to be fair I've never been faced with it knock wood.
Was gonna say ….
also, personally extracted "justice" might be different than relying on l'etat
I don't understand the problem with the executions. Hire a certified anaesthesiologist to give the first dose... out the guy to sleep. Once asleep the prisoner cannot be aware of anything, After that it does not matter what is actually used to end the vital systems 'functions resulting in death. This would revent any of the "half dead" or :"waking up before its over" scenarios we've read about. There are docs that put dozens of patients a day "under" and maintain them "under" for the duration of the proceedure.
If the guy is in such physical condition the needle guy can't find a vein, there are gasses used to knock people out for surgery, teeth pulling etc.
I have a hard time grasping how the entire state government cannot figure tis out. Nom we don't want to slice them up piece by piece... just put them "out" to as to avoid the "cruel and unusual" aspect of execution. Although hanging and firing squad have ben effectively used for executing capital criminals.
The first problem is the certified anesthesiologist (an MD specializing in anesthetics) won't participate in an execution.
But does it matter? One does not need any kind of expertise to fit a mask on someone and turn on the anesthetic gas. The expertise comes in when you want to give just enough gas to knock them out, but still have them wake up afterwards, _every time_. In this case, there's no such thing as too much anesthetic.
But I think the way a slaughterhouse kills a cow is quite humane enough for a murderer, and there's no expertise required for that job. Thunk them in the forehead with a bolt gun, then slit the throat to make sure they're dead.
Alabama isn't 'botching' executions.
Alabama is experiencing the impediments created by anti death penalty activists that were designed for just this purpose.