State Lawmakers Help Farmers by Improving Consumer Access to Raw Milk
The raw milk restoration is underway.

Food freedom is spreading. And there's perhaps no better evidence of that fact than the growing number of states making it easier for farmers to sell "raw," or unpasteurized, milk to eager consumers.
This week, the North Dakota House of Representatives passed House Bill 1515, which would legalize dairy farms to sell raw milk to consumers. "A debate over whether dairy farms should be able to sell unpasteurized milk pitted proponents of consumer freedom against advocates for public health," the Bismarck Tribune reported this week.
Currently, farmers in North Dakota may only legally sell raw milk to consumers who purchase a share of a cow, sometimes known as a herd share.
Similar bills are currently under consideration in Iowa, Idaho, and Washington. And a Wyoming bill could expand raw-milk sales even further than would the aforementioned bills.
Raw milk is a litmus test of sorts for food freedom—which I've long defined as a person's right to grow, raise, produce, buy, sell, share, and eat the foods of their own choosing.
On the one hand, opponents of raw milk, including public-health bureaucrats and the nation's largest sellers of pasteurized milk, argue raw milk should be banned because it may contain pathogens that could sicken or kill consumers.
The FDA, which was forced by a federal judge to reverse course and ban interstate sales of raw milk in 1987, regulates a host of raw foods (from sprouts to melons to sushi) that may contain harmful pathogens. While the agency may issue warnings about and recalls of those foods when they are found to contain pathogens, on raw milk the agency's position is an absolutist no.
"No one disputes that pasteurization helps kill harmful pathogens," I explained in a 2011 Washington Times op-ed. "But where the FDA claims to see a mountain, most states see a molehill."
On the other hand, "raw milk has become popular in recent years as part of the local food movement," NPR reported in a 2015 piece on the spread of raw milk. "[Consumers] say they buy raw milk because it doesn't contain the growth hormone rGBH, they like the taste, and they enjoy having a direct connection to the food they eat."
Supporters also note that many conventional dairy farmers who sell pasteurized milk are struggling and that raw milk sales may provide a lifeline in the form of higher margins. In December, such an argument won the day in Wisconsin—America's leading dairy state—when the state farm bureau reversed its longstanding opposition to legal raw milk sales.
More and more, farmers, consumers, and lawmakers are favoring such sales. As of August 2022, according to data provided by the nonprofit Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, where I serve on the board, at least 10 states allow some form of retail sales of raw milk, at least 18 states allow on-farm sales, and at least eight states allow herd shares. A similar raw-milk map, produced in 2015 by the National Conference of State Legislatures and reproduced here, shows state laws governing raw milk sales have improved noticeably across the country in less than a decade.
None of this is to say that consuming raw milk (or any food) comes without risk—for producers and consumers alike. But driving raw milk sales underground won't make raw milk safer, I note in my 2016 book Biting the Hands that Feed Us: How Fewer, Smarter Laws Would Make Our Food System More Sustainable. Ultimately, adults should have the right to weigh risks and make choices about the foods we eat.
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There is a reason Pasteur went thru all the trouble to develop a way to make milk safe to drink.
Profit!
Isn't that a dirty word among the left? Why would a statist applaud it?
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Well actually, no he didn't. Pasteurization was originally used as a technique to keep beer and wine from souring. The process wouldn't be applied to milk for years after.
That said, somebody applied the process to milk - and they had good reasons at the time. Let's look at what those reasons were. If you're getting your milk from the family cow, you did not (and still don't) need pasteurization because you're drinking it, well, not quite straight from the cow but directly fresh. But times were changing. Specifically, the time was the late 1800s and very early 1900s. Lots of people moving away from farms and into the cities. No place to keep a family cow in the city. But there is no rapid transportation and refrigeration hasn't yet been invented. Dairy cows were sometimes kept in urban paddocks but even that became harder as city densities increased. Milk had to travel further and sit longer in uncontrolled temperature conditions. Yes, that makes it just as nutritious for harmful bacteria as it is for us humans. Disease flourishes. Pasteurization helped keep milk safe when it had to sit in the back of a warm cart and then on the counter at home. Maybe you were well off enough to afford and icebox and regular supplies of ice - but maybe not. Pasteurization was a vital way to prevent disease under those conditions.
Now let's contrast that to modern conditions. Every family can easily drive to the farm and get milk as fresh as the farmer's own family. They can quickly cool the milk and keep it at the optimal temperature indefinitely. In other words, pasteurization was the right control for the time but it was not necessary before we tried to move milk for long distances and it is no longer necessary now that we can manage disease using other controls.
Every time I learn something from comments here, I think back to ENB hating the commentariat. I guess she hates learning.
https://twitter.com/ENBrown/status/1601256561086988289
Be fair. People might learn the Wrong Things.
"Reason commenters make up a very small percentage of our readership, and are largely people who hate everyone on staff and all of our work, on any subject. They’re in now way representative of “libertarian audiences” overall"
Well, she wrote "now way" when she meant "no way". Otherwise, she's 99.9% correct (maybe more). I buy Reason hardcopy mag, and am a REAL libertarian, and do NOT post authoritarian CRAP! Or engage in orange-dick-sucking! How many of YOU can honestly say the same things?
Didn't they also have an issue with some urban cows being kept in really very unsanitary backyard conditions? Udders being covered in shit and slime and the like? Or is that apocrypha?
Might have been, but a family drinking their own milk from cows like that would get sick real quick, and I doubt there was enough urban grazing land for much other than family milk cows.
I like suspenders with my belt and redundancies with my redundancies, thank you very much.
Also today, unlike olden days, farmers clean and sterilize the shit (often literally!) out of their milking machines, clean the tits of the cows, and wipe these same tit-tips down with an iodine solution. And THEN the bulk milk gets tested for bacteria as well! Some way-high percentage of milk really doesn't need pasteurized, any more.
Plus they've cured their cows of tuberculosis.
Pop-Up Video Factoid: Pasteur went through a lot of good beer to refute Spontaneous Generation and develop the process of Pasteurization too. That's the stuff he worked with first. Ohters can have what they want, but no way am I giving up on Pasteurized milk.
That will surly make up the difference when the feds ban fertilizer and meat and force most farmers out of business
You will drink soy milk* (when the ration comes through) and you will like it.
*Now you understand why we have to sanction and entrench the word "milk" for these other beige fluids.
Washington State Democrats to introduce bill to censor opposing voices.
HB 1333 sponsored by Rep. Bill Ramos, D-Issaquah, creates a Domestic Violent Extremism Commission to develop ways to combat “disinformation and misinformation,” though the two words are not defined in the bill. Also not defined is the term DVE.
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The legislation is derived from a recommendation by the Attorney General’s Office own 2022 “Domestic Terrorism” study, which cautioned that “effective State intervention to address these threats has the potential to implicate speech or association that may be protected by the First Amendment, or the individual right to bear arms protected by the Second Amendment.”
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/ministry-truth-critics-warn-washington-extremism-bill-targets-free
Democracy can only be safe when only some people are allowed to speak. And vote.
We can call it "The Ministry of Truth". I mean Bureau.
The gas stove ban was tightly unpopular causing Biden to scrap it. So he will make them more expensive instead.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/fri-rule-proposes-gas-stoves-be-more-efficient-after-biden-reversal-stance
Seems even the government boys and girls admit kitchen stoves, both gas and electric, are about as efficient as possible already.
It's hard for me to imagine anything more efficient than kitchen stoves, gas or electric. What next, efficiency standards for water faucets, inside and out? I mean, look at the design of valves, they disrupt the flow so much that it loses pressure!
And by faucet efficiency standards, you mean government-set limits on flow rates, and restricted access to hot water, right? Don't give them any ideas.
Inefficiency standards for showers.
Nobody needs 23 showers a month. Or year.
Seriously. In case you missed it, there was an insane save the planet by not bathing movement a couple of years ago. I figure by now, some of those visionaries have appointments in the Biden administration.
Americans do tend to bathe excessively. When I was a kid the only people who bathed every day were coal miners and pig farmers.
We modern-day Americans have just got it like that.
🙂
I once heard an album of old radio and TV bloopers. One was a pair of radio advertisers advertising a Saturday Night radio program. One asked the other: "What is it you do once a week every Saturday Night?"
The other replies: "I take a bath!" (*Canned laughter.*)
The growing frequency of bathing between then and now just adds to the humor.
🙂
That happened in England a few years back. Not long after that, Doctors were having to consult Mideaval medical texts to identify skin diseases long thought banished from the face of the Earth.
Me, I'll stick with at least one soothing hot shower a day from a flexible shower head and a 50 Gallon reserve in the hot water tank for emergency water at all times. Let Biden and his Gurus languish in old-man must and filth. (The very thought make me queasy.)
Only only forget to shower when really depressed.
Gas stoves are already more efficient than electric ones.
Easily the worst President in my lifetime, and I'm counting all of the future ones.
Ye of little faith
all of the future ones.
If any.
Good news Sarc!
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/907-million-housing-available-california-drug-addicted-mentally-ill
California! Ever striving for the most extreme inequality since feudal times.
Transgenders form anti trans alliance asking medical providers to rely on evidence instead of activism.
In an open letter to 29 major medical organizations based in the U.S., a group of transsexuals (a term they prefer) belonging to the Gender Dysphoria Alliance (GDA) called for a shift toward evidence-based care and a rejection of ideologically and politically-driven narratives.
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The letter explains that the postmodern philosophy called Queer Theory, which seeks to do away with biological categories based on the belief that they are oppressive and socially constructed, is where ideological narratives about transgender people arose that have filtered into mainstream culture in recent years. According to the letter, the view of “gender” being untethered from biological sex has been embraced by transgender activists who have managed to impose their beliefs into law and medicine. The letter argues that the beliefs taught in Queer Theory have infiltrated healthcare practices and compromised the safety of patients by prioritizing ideology over evidence.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/transsexuals-pen-letter-asking-u-s-based-medical-organizations-to-reject-ideology-in-favor-of-evidence
"a group of transsexuals (a term they prefer)"
I prefer gender benders. Actually, I don't prefer them at all, they are a bunch of hypochondriac attention whores at best, pedos and rapists at worst. Go ahead and cross dress, have fun, but when they expect me to remember their special pronouns, fuck off.
These ones at least seem rational. They will be banned from most social media though, like Gays against Groomers.
Yes, I should have added "mutilate yourself as an adult at your own expense for all I care", but the problem is, I bet even these folks think prisons and Medicare should pay for the adult surgery.
Agreed. They always demand free in their victimhood. They are now talking feminizing facial reconstruction as paid my medicaid and ACA.
Are you sure about you preference? Call 69-69-69-69 for the prettiest lady boy actions.
See? Not to worry. Queer theory has replaced objective logic and rational thinking only in the law. Oh, and in medicine. And education. And maybe science. And...
So.... TERTs?
Trans-Exclusionary Radical Transsexuals?
(like TERFs, Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists?)
Are they from Trannsylvania?
Let's do the Time Warp again!
Rocky horror picture show was right, trannies aren’t human
TURDs
Transsexuals Upsetting Retarded Democrats
... that has nothing to do with whether the milk is raw.
Good point!
How much of the growth hormones stay inside the cow, how much comes back out in the milk? I have read enough stories about human medicines passing straight through, makes me wonder how efficiently they are absorbed.
Hey, why are you against growth?
Well, that's technically true - but not so much as a practical matter. You are right that pasteurization doesn't add (or remove) rGBH. But pasteurization is an inustrial process that only makes economic sense for large-scale operations. Which makes it nearly guaranteed that your non-rGBH milk will be co-mingled with milk from rGBH cows. Finding an operation that's big enough to run non-rGBH-only is impossible in most communities and prohibitively expensive in the few remaining.
On the other hand, finding one farmer willing to set aside milk from one non-rGBH cow isn't particularly hard at all. But that milk will inevitably be "raw".
Why would you be feeding growth hormones to dairy cows? I could see feeding growth hormones to beef cattle - mostly steers as I understand it - but dairy cows would be better served by some sort of hormone to make them produce more milk. I suspect that the raw milk advocates are mostly smelly hippies who believe locally-sourced organic free range carrots are superior to carrots of unknown province and are therefore worth double or triple the price.
There are some small producer carrots that are far superior.
When the organic movement started the organic produce was far superior quality. Now that it is mainstream I can't tell the difference. Same crap as far as I can tell. At least the organic in the store.
Not a dairy farmer but my understanding is that it helps the cow mature faster and also helps them to produce more milk.
Jack Spirko’s Survival Podcast Forum had a constituency who rah-rah-ed about the “Buy Local” Movement and raw milk. Fortunately, I didn’t stay on long enough to find out how the Local-Yokel raw milk-ers smelled.
Alas, I was ban-hammered as a bigot for expressing grief that an Amish Mother of six kids died senselessly from an oil lantern fire because of her renunciation of non-Biblical technology. The Forum Moderators were evidently Deathists instead of Survivalists.
I’m so glad I’m shunned by that bunch! The worst-case scenario of that kind of cancellation is that you live and you live sane and happy! 🙂
Easier than you might think. In the Midwest, finding milk with rGBH is very difficult as most farmers will not use it. Locally, around Chicago, even the cheap store-brand milk proudly proclaims it is rGBH-free. IIRC, the push for rGBH use was mostly a California thing.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1629460445797965826?t=-ELKrDc22pNlP-U_5VirvA&s=19
Sometimes they tap the sign for you
[Pic]
For the mildly curious -- someone holding up a cardboard sign "QUEER JOY IS FOR ALL AGES".
Is that you, Tony?
Tony argued yesterday that being against fucking kids is what pedophilia really is.
I don't think he was quite down from his molly bender the night before.
Another teacher. Another usurpation of parental rights.
"Parents-check your school districts’ policy regarding keeping info about YOUR child secret from you. There are some scary policies out there. Schools should not have a right to keep info about your child from you unless abuse by you is suspected. There I said it and mean it," a tweet written by "The Principle’s Office" reads.
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Love responded, "I cannot disagree with this more. So many students are not safe in this nation from their Christo-fascist parents. And our guidelines and laws haven’t caught up with this."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-teacher-says-schools-keep-students-info-secret-christo-fascist-parents
Yup. If we are not bleeding-edge (crotch?) progressives, we are actual Nazis and have no rights.
Speaking of blood, I fear we will have to shed some.
Who would still send their kid to school these days?
Many parents simply cannot afford not to.
https://twitter.com/SovMichael/status/1629443073808662529?t=gqbZnirl25SBkQcOBPvbZQ&s=19
Never confuse "talking about CRT" with "doing what is necessary to remove the Marxists from your institution."
Addressing and describing the issues with CRT *is not* the same as removing the men who attempted to run a Marxist Color Revolution in the SBC over the past 12 years.
Removing the stain of Marxism from the SBC will take actual courage: the courage that leads to conflict and division. If you refuse to take the necessary steps to remove those within your midst that are responsible for infusing Marxism into your institution, please save your passionate claims about your dedication to the purity of your institution.
If you make the decision to play politics with the Marxists in order to elevate yourself, you have betrayed the Saviour who bought you as well as the congregations who follow you as a bold "leader"(who had to be convinced to take the stands that led to your current fame as being "courageous").
Men in the SBC need to stop playing games with corrupt men with nefarious schemes.
Call them out.
Stand for what is right.
Or shut up, resign and admit that you are more concerned about the opinions of men in your tribe and your own legacy than you are about doing what is necessary to save the SBC.
Sexual abusers like the Southern Baptist Convention and Marxist Critical Race Theorists sound like two peas in a pod. I’m just glad I’m not in the pod and “gave up foolish things.” As I like to say, I gave up religion for Lent many years ago.
🙂
People still die from consuming raw milk. I'll pass. Is it the government's business? Probably not. I'll still pass.
Do you also pass on driving? How about stepping outside your home? How about even staying alive?
Life is full of risks. Your virtue signalling that you're probably OK with government control is all anyone needs to understand how libertarian you are.
One of these days you'll respond with something about why or why not it is the government's business instead of a comment about me as a person.
Haaa ha ha ha! Who am I kidding?
Another sarc comment talking about a person. And the pure self unawareness of sarc is retained.
You’d think they’d feel some shame after a while.
Lol. Fucking projection.
Some risks are necessary if you want to do anything.
Drinking raw milk is an unnecessary risk.
Is this risk a job for government rules, tort law, something else?
Individual choice.
Libertarianism and other forms of minarchism are not anarchy. Some of us acknowledge a role for coercion in society.
Here’s a book on the subject.
The authors are a pair of PHDs with degrees in Economics and Political Science. Here’s their podcast.
https://wordsandnumbers.libsyn.com/
If you don’t like learning new things then I suggest you steer clear of those links.
It turns out that coercion is necessary . . . sometimes. Even in a democracy, we all abide by rules, including plenty that we don’t agree with, in the name of getting along.
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But in the end, Davies and Harrigan show, cooperation without question is the key to human happiness and progress. The more we encourage it, the better off we all are.
Hmm....
Are you an anarchist?
That's my thought when people react to any acknowledgement of a role for government with accusations of "You're not a true libertarian."
Sometimes not sure if it's a dodge or a misunderstanding. In this case it's the former.
The same argument made against anyone who calls out the leftist false narratives against Trump. Interesting.
Yeah it's just a way to virtue-signal to the tribe that Alphabet Guy is opposed to the "correct" people.
Alphabet Guy is commenting on a forum hosted by a publicly-funded Internet. Therefore, Alphabet Guy is totally in favor of government control. QED. What a statist, amirite?
When I was a kid we drank raw milk at my grandparents’ ranch every morning. Had no idea back then it had any health risk, but it often tasted nasty. You could tell when the cow had been eating a lot of weeds.
Would irradiated raw milk still be considered raw? I'm just curious if it helps with shelf life in a similar way.
There's more to treating milk than shelf life. There is a real risk of deadly pathogens in raw milk. As in people have died from that shit.
I'm not sure how much of a risk it is with modern practices. For example you're not going to get trichinosis from undercooked pork today, despite what your grandmother tells you. But at one point the risk was very real.
I'm sure there is still a non-zero risk from raw milk. I just don't use much milk so shelf life is very important to me. Irradiation could eliminate much of the risk without heat. It could also increase shelf life. I'm just curious about alternative methods.
Build more nuclear power plants near dairy farms. Vertical integration 🙂
Right. Now it's toxoplasmosis from undercooked beef.
Maybe their next libertarian victory will let people eat raw pork and poultry!
Raw chicken sashimi is a thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torisashi
It is mere happenstance that raw milk is mostly sold by small INDEPENDENT farmers, and pasteurized milk is mostly sold by huge corporations?
And a certain administration, along with the non-existent deep state (fascists) gets huge barrels of money from corporations but not from small business.
The ultimate rebels.
The Satanic convention in Boston on April 28, requires worshippers to have proof of Covid vaccination + they must wear an N-95 or KN-95
I guess JFree and Shrike really are on the committee.
Well, it is Boston, and most of the worshippers are probably upper-middle class white college types.
Hey, they’re just practicing their religion.
Hail Safety!
A Billionaire Committed Suicide. No One Knows Why.
But I can certainly imply.
"Lee was married with five children and “one of the most generous, and kindest people [I] ever met,” a source who knew him told the Post.
The source also said that Lee “was regarded as having one of the most admired houses in the Hamptons — Bill and Hillary Clinton were frequent guests, they would regularly stay there.”
Ruh-roh...
Rachel Levine is Now One of Chelsea Clinton’s ‘Inspirational Women.’
This is real.
What a time to be alive.
Uranium Fire Prompts Emergency Response at Y-12 National Security Complex in Tennessee
It's scary but thank goodness they have Diversity, Inclusion and Equity.
Watch: Former Black Panther Angela Davis horrified to learn she is a descendant of the Mayflower
JAILERS HATE HIM: AVOID PROSECUTION WITH THIS ONE NEAT TRICK.
L.A. DA Gascón Suspends Prosecutor for ‘Deadnaming’ Transgender Child Molester Accused of Murder
"This is the man who became transgender after authorities arrested him in connection with a child molestation case in 2014."
Is DA Gascón one of Soros' angels? You bet.
Chemjeff, Shackford wrings their hands with glee:
High school student suspended, arrested for saying only 2 genders
Jeff and Mike are going to hate this.
https://aapsonline.org/aaps-statement-on-gender-affirming-care-for-minor-children/
“Gender-affirming care” in minors is medically and ethically contraindicated because of a lack of informed consent. There are inherently unknown and unknowable long-term risks, and the consequences of removing normal, healthy organs are irreversible.
White Mike will be torn between screaming that this is transphobic, and denying that it ever happens. He'll end up doing both while denying the contradiction.
Buttplug hardest hit.
Despite White House rhetoric, inflation still rising
Shrike has been socking since roundup destroyed his day prior blame of Trump for derailment.
Kamala's 'Please Clap' Moment
Poor
Jeb!Kamala.Chemjeff, Shackford inspired.
Canadian trans Antifa activist with diaper fetish speaks to children on tour event
The artwork has to be seen to be believed.
So, a state Senator in Nebraska is threatening to filibuster everything unless the Republican majority withdraws their anti-trans bills.
https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1629203499404623872
So evidently, the Republican argument in favor of these bills is that parents can’t be trusted with making these types of medical decisions for their own kids. This goes back to what I’ve been saying about traditional conservatism, in that it favors liberty for individuals – but only if that liberty is exercised within a relatively narrow range of morally acceptable choices. And when it comes to parents, that range of acceptable choices is constrained even further. So parents can raise their kids “however they want”, as long as the Watchful Eye of Caring Big Brother Conservative Government approves of the parents’ choices.
And it struck me that these same conservatives who don’t trust parents to make wise choices about their kids’ health care, are ironically making the case in FAVOR of government-run schools. After all, if parents can’t be trusted to make wise medical choices for their kids, how can they be trusted to make wise educational choices for their kids? Are the same right-wing educators who want to throw parents and doctors in jail for making the “wrong” health care choices for their kids, really going to stand idly by while those same parents “indoctrinate” their kids into left-wing DEI and CRT propaganda under the guise of “homeschooling”? Shouldn't we have, instead, "patriotic" government-run schools which teach kids the proper way to think and learn, as opposed to those dangerous parents who harm kids with their CRT indoctrination?
So, what are your thoughts about raw milk?
It should be legal for commercial sale, but clearly labeled.
As I’ve mentioned a couple of times last week, in Idaho the same Republicans who are considering an anti-gender affirming care law have been scrupulously keeping their hands off a faith healing cult who have had several of their members’ children die from refusing modern medical care.
No consistency in their deference to parental rights.
Except it isn't "the same Republicans" you dishonest fuck. You're making an association that you know is a lie and doesn't exist, for the sake of cheap rhetoric.
I want you to detail here how your family of snake-handling faith-healers are the same thing as the millions of people who think castrating kids is wrong.
Every single thing that you say here just has to be in bad faith, doesn't it? You're physically incapable of an honest argument, aren't you?
Why are you comparing causing active harm against choosing to not heal on faith. They are two different things dumbass. One actively harms a healthy child.
Christian Scientists and Jehobahs Witnesses exist, so Mike thinks it is fine to cut a kids dick off. What the actual fuck.
This can be reconciled if you consider the *primary* standard here isn't preventing harm to kids. That is a secondary standard. The *primary* standard is to enforce traditionalism.
You do tell the most amazing lies, with absolutely no evidence ever presented to back up your bullshit accusations.
Please quote anyone here who has expressed that.
"So evidently, the Republican argument in favor of these bills is that parents can’t be trusted with making these types of medical decisions for their own kids."
Same reason why those parents aren't allowed to feed them booze and weed, give them tattoos and cock rings, pimp them out, or fuck them themselves, you disingenuous piece of garbage. Parents are guardians, not pet owners.
You bitched and squawked about circumcision and clitorectomies when it was other religions doing it, but the second your cult wants to castrate and maim, look out kids.
You keep trying to argue with people who aren't here.
People already answered the retarded leftist. But he has everyone on mute.
Except that what I write is broadly consistent with how they argue.
They're in favor of homeschooling. Okay.
They're opposed to gender affirming care for kids because it "harms" them (so they claim).
They're also opposed to "woke indoctrination in schools" because, again, it's bad for kids (again so they claim).
So at what point are they going to step in and say the state should prohibit homeschooling of 'woke indoctrination'?
"They’re opposed to gender affirming care for kids because it “harms” them (so they claim)."
THEY'RE SHOOTING THEM FULL OF TOXIC LEVELS OF HORMONES AND FUCKING CUTTING OFF THEIR CLITORISES AND PENISES! How the hell is that not harm, you psychopathic fuck?!
If you were honest you'd eschew weasely euphemisms like "gender affirming care" and deal with accurate descriptions of what their doing, but you're an evil fuck so you can't do that.
"They’re also opposed to “woke indoctrination in schools” because, again, it’s bad for kids (again so they claim)."
So if you're fine with rehashed evil Nazi racial theories and antiscientific garbage like 96 genders being peddled on the public dime, then are you okay with bible studies and teaching intelligent design?
Why is your pseudo-religious claptrap okay, but nobody elses?
Who is "they"? Why not stop shadow boxing and attempt good-faith conversation with people who are actually here?
Jeff - you may want to explore this link posted by ML earlier before posting how gender affirming treatment does no harm. Also, the concern over the lucrative financial stream that it is generating.
https://aapsonline.org/aaps-statement-on-gender-affirming-care-for-minor-children/
Well well well. Wingnuts take control of a state party, chaos ensues.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/25/bernie-world-nevada-democratic-party-00084426
Except it’s not Trumpbots this time, it’s Berniebros. They really had no chance. They were attacked from the left for not being radical enough when they had the levers of power, and they were attacked from the center for not being organized and competent enough (even as they did everything they could to sabotage the upstarts).
I think this is a lesson for those who think the proper strategy for libertarians is to “take over” the Republican Party. Here, socialists actually did “take over” the Democratic Party in Nevada, and the result was simply chaos and dysfunction. It won’t work. The defeated establishment won’t go away quietly, they will work to sabotage the rebels. And the radicals can’t be placated unless Libertopia is achieved within one election cycle. Really and truly, the solution is to destroy the two-party system itself.
Good lord. You're going to stan for your establishment Top Men regardless, aren't you Jeff.
He isn't chemjeff statist collectivist for nothing.
https://www.newsweek.com/west-virginia-republicans-vote-against-banning-breast-enlargement-teenagers-1778730
“West Virginia Republicans pushing for a bill prohibiting gender-affirming surgery for trans teenagers in the state are now opposing a Democrat-proposed amendment asking to expand the ban to include breast surgery for cis teenagers.“
Seems like the amendment is reasonable if one is concerned about minors receiving medically-unnecessary, appearance-altering surgery. But suppose all one really cares about is looking for things about your partisan opponents to be outraged about.
Won’t bother linking but almost identical news stories about Utah.
Unless there has been an injury to the breast area, it's not a good idea to do cosmetic surgery on minors. Let them complete their natural development, physically and mentally, before making surgical changes.
However, "it's not a good idea" is not the same as "should be prohibited by the state".
Removing healthy organs from a minor should be prohibited by the state.
What difference does it make what your motives are if you're doing the right thing?
Didn't you just swear to us that they weren't doing clitorectomies and castration on minors, Mike? So what's the big deal that WV banned them?
Also, I'm against boob jobs for minors myself, but maybe you can explain how a saline implant is irreversible like having your dick cut off.
Every argument you make is so appallingly sophistic. What an evil prick you are.
Breast reduction surgery is irreversible! Clearly, then, NON-hypocritical authoritarians should DEMAND that it NOT be available to youngsters!
(And don't tell me that you can make them bigger again using saline. Saline can't produce milk.)
Hey shithead. Did you miss this part?
"I’m against boob jobs for minors"
But that doesn't actually matter because breast reduction surgery in teens is almost always medical and never cosmetic, unlike the implants or "gender affirming" mastectomies we were talking about. Breast hypertrophy in the adolescent females can cause actual physical pain and serious damage to the body.
And I know that you know this, but your such an enourmous sophist that you retardedly thought you could get away with it.
“I’m against boob jobs for minors”
So Ye of the Perfect YUUUUUGE "Punishment Clitoris"... What should the punishment be for those who DARE to disagree with Perfect You, about THIS particular offense?
Below is my stance on a bunch of shit and stuff... What should the punishments for all of the below offenses be?
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!
I am anti-divorce, anti-bad-breath, anti-body-odor, anti-bad-diets, anti-sickness, anti-lies, anti-suffering, anti-messy-housekeeping, I oppose bad haircuts and ugly tattoos, and MANY more. And I will say these things publicly, and even advocate that others should get on my bandwagon! Does that mean that I advocate the use of Government Almighty to prohibit ANY of these things, or punish ANY of those who indulge in said activities? Absolutely not!
Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, do You NOT recall (well OK, it was a few hundred years ago by now, I suppose) when, ass a youngster with under-aged pubes, Your (NOT-So-Perfect-Back-Then) Marxist Mammaries were WAAAY too large, and the other maggots made fun of You? What if breast reduction surgery had been OFF LIMITS to You in those "good old days", eh, Authoritarian Wonder Child?
And besides... WHOSE Marxist Mammaries were they, anyway? The "child" and "they's" parents, guardians, doctors, etc., or Nosenheimers, Buttinskies, Karens, voters, and politicians?
Hey Sqrlsy, remember when you raped a child to death and kept going back to the corpse to eat bits of it and masturbate?
Many foods that are mass produced for the mass market are overly safe, but selling raw milk, or apple juice, or unfrozen local meat, to knowledgeable consumers should not be prohibited by law.
Huh. So now it is revealed Serial Liar Santos has lied to a judge.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3873921-santos-falsely-told-judge-in-2017-that-he-worked-for-goldman-sachs-reports/
So is this the point where Team Red says he should resign? I mean, isn't this perjury? Isn't perjury even beneath Team Red standards for who should be qualified for office (see: Bill Clinton)?
I suppose he'll be expelled, Goldman Sachs will insist.
This might astonish you, shillbot, but his constituents are the only people with the right to remove him. It's nobody elses choice.
The party can and should expel him from the party, but they can't remove him from office.
I knew you were fucking stupid, but this is even a low for you.
The House can expel him from the House by majority vote.
Yes, a two-thirds majority. However, Jeff's point was that the party wasn't removing him, not his constituents or a two-thirds majority of the house.
Clearly, a matter of national concern.
When he visited East Palestine, Pete Buttigieg may have worn dress boots instead of work boots.
https://nypost.com/2023/02/24/pete-buttigiegs-boots-at-east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment/
"Don't look at all the other legitimate criticism of Buttigieg's handling of the East Palestine disaster folk's, it's only about people bitching about his boots. Mmm-hmm, just his boots. So petty." - t. chemjeff
Don't you dare call Jeff a DNC shill folks, even when he posts shit like this. He swears he isn't. Just ask him.
So, we heard for months and months that Democrats in Congress were being secretive and selective with their release of Jan. 6 materials, so as to make Republicans (esp. Trump) look bad.
Now, McCarthy has decided to release all of the Jan. 6 materials… but only to Fox News and Tucker Carlson. Huh.
https://www.axios.com/2023/02/25/news-outlets-mccarthy-capitol-footage
I’m sure they can be counted on to be neutral and unbiased with the material, right? Right?
Can we say yet that both teams suck at this? Neither one is really interested in uncovering the truth about what happened that day, instead they just want to use selective bits to make the other side look as bad as possible?
Man, the footage being released really terrifies you huh?
I actually hope that they dump it all on reddit and 4chan. The DNC/FBI would shit themselves.
It's up to the consumer to verify that the raw-milk cows don't have brucellosis, and that their milk is free from m. bovis--two reasons for pasteurizing milk in the first place.
These days, cows are vaccinated or tested for this stuff. You should be fine unless your farmer is an anti-cow-vaxxer, in which case you might get malta fever or tuberculosis.
Anti-cow-vaxxers have been known to COMMAND that their vaccinated cows may NOT associate very much with their newborn calves! Too-long cow-and-calf hugs, for example, are FORBIDDEN!
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot
This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.
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See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!
Oops, what's this, Shillsy?
FEBRUARY 22, 2023 Research reveals COVID vaccine blood clot connection.
and this?
17 January 2023 SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine sequences circulate in blood up to 28 days after COVID-19 vaccination
Uh-oh, Shillsy. Looks like maybe that school was on to something two years ago.
How come everything you believe is horribly outdated, Shillsy?
Ooooops, Marxist Authoritarian Wonder Child, food poisoning can cause death!
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21167-food-poisoning#:~:text=While%20complications%20from%20food%20poisoning,can%20cause%20other%20specific%20complications.
Better stop eating NOW, hyper-partisan, hyper-paranoid Perfect One! Ya gotta play idiot SAFE, ya know!
"The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!"
THIS is what R Mac Who Talks and Snorts Smack REALLY actually BLEEVES and defends!
Good morning mutha flicklers, licklers, and picklers!!! It’s Sunday morning sermon time!
The Devil went down to Georgia, he was lookin’ for a soul to steal. He said to Jesus, “Bitch, ya Son of a God, turn those rocks to bread.” Thus Spake the Wiki Translation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_4:3#:~:text=In%20the%20King%20James%20Version,these%20stones%20be%20made%20bread. Note that DingleBerry Bible Publishers Spake thusly also.
Bruthas and Sistas, the question is now posed to the SCROTUS: In sight of the indubitably infinite “Woes Unto” inflicted unto humanity by the Devil, WHO shall be held legally responsible for the EVIL words of the Devil… The Devil, or DingleBerry Bible Publishers, who DARED to publish the words of said evil Devil? The SCROTUS will now spend $4,983,229.05 in tax money, and 3 months, DEEPLY Pondering upon this Ultimate Puzzle!
Let us now PRAISE the Wise Elders of the SCROTUS, and the Government Almighty, and the Pubic Benefits that they bring unto all of us! Amen!
If the farm is sanitary it is not a problem. Most Dairy farm kids grow up drinking raw milk, my wife did, and we still have Dairy farmers. Of course if you look at the barn and their is crap everywhere, and they don't wash the cows utters before milking, and never clean their bulk tank, and don't test for bacteria and you are still dumb enough to buy from that farmer, you put yourself at risk.
Good job, exactly correct! I grew up that way too! I NEVER even got sick from bad milk, or home-made cheese, or ice cream made from it! Even though the wages of disobedience towards Government Almighty is death, Cheeses Crackers SAVED me, even yea verily from mere food-borne illnesses!
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He's so crazy tribalist.