Ron DeSantis Wants $12 Million To Transport Migrants 'From Any Point' in the U.S.
The Florida governor wants to fund more migrant stunts, despite claiming that his budget will “keep more money in the pockets of Floridians.”

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis made waves in September for a costly (and legally questionable) anti-immigrant stunt that saw nearly 50 migrants flown from San Antonio, Texas, to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts. DeSantis and other Florida officials have defended the flights on two main grounds: first, as an opportunity to expose liberal hypocrisy, and second, as a step in "protecting the people of the state of Florida."
The liberal hypocrisy didn't quite materialize; Martha's Vineyard residents quickly volunteered as translators, coordinated shelter, and prepared food for the migrants before they continued on to other destinations. The claim about protecting Floridians also rested on shaky ground. The flights targeted migrants who weren't even in Florida to begin with. (DeSantis claimed that "most of them [were] intending to come to Florida.")
Those problems haven't discouraged DeSantis. In his 2023–24 budget, announced on Wednesday, the governor requested $12 million to continue his "initiative to protect Floridians against the harms resulting from illegal immigration by facilitating the transport of unauthorized aliens." The $12 million would be used "to cover all costs associated with facilitating the transport of inspected unauthorized aliens, including, but not limited to the costs of litigation."
The request mirrors a provision in the 2022–23 budget that funded "a program to facilitate the transport of unauthorized aliens from this state consistent with federal law" (emphasis added). This time, DeSantis wants to transport migrants "from any point of origin in the U.S. to any jurisdiction." Spending taxpayer money to protect Floridians, in other words, need not involve anything actually taking place in Florida.
Of course, the Martha's Vineyard flights didn't originate in Florida, either (though they were routed through Crestview, Florida, ostensibly to refuel). Given the contradiction with the "from this state" budget language—along with other procedural issues—state Sen. Jason Pizzo (D–Miami) filed a lawsuit to block DeSantis from spending more money on migrant transportation. Last month, a Florida judge rejected DeSantis' request to toss the suit. His administration is also fighting a lawsuit filed by the migrants.
Axios reports that "Florida may end up paying up to $1 million to defend itself" in the migrant suit. This effectively leaves taxpayers with two bills: one to fund the initial stunt, and one to clean up the damage. That's also been the case in Arizona, where former Gov. Doug Ducey spent $95 million in state funds to put up a shipping container wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, which was built on tribal land without permission (and proved unsuccessful at deterring migrants). It will cost $76 million to remove. Taxpayers are losing in Texas, too: As of November, Gov. Greg Abbott had spent more than $20 million in state funds to bus migrants to D.C., New York City, and Chicago, at a cost of about $1,600 per head.
In DeSantis' case, the request for migrant transportation funding comes as part of a budget he claims will "keep more money in the pockets of Floridians." (Never mind the fact that it rings in at a record $115 billion.) A fiscally responsible governor would recognize that immigrants contribute significantly to public finances through taxes, use welfare at lower rates than similarly situated native-born Americans, and both fill and create critical jobs. DeSantis has proven more interested in a showy big-government stunt that punishes taxpayers and migrants alike.
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It’s not a stunt. You now have every shitlib in sanctuary citys saying their “flood” of 100s of illegals is unmanageable. How many have you taken in?
Also liberal hypocracy didn't happen?
So the Martha's Vinyard people didn't kick them to the curb within 24 hours? How much do you have to work out to be able to do the mental gymnastics you do?
“So the Martha’s Vinyard people didn’t kick them to the curb within 24 hours? How much do you have to work out to be able to do the mental gymnastics you do?”
They gave them pizza and let them stay the night in a church, so they have long since written that whole event off as a win for their side. Ignore having the military sweep them up and ship them out. Ignore the residents comparing the immigrants to trash. Pizza is what matters.
Eric Adams is shipping them to Canada.
https://nypost.com/2023/02/05/migrants-abandon-nyc-for-canada-with-taxpayer-funded-bus-tickets/
That’s just a political stunt
Am I reasoning correctly?
The long term solution to this humanitarian crisis is to just send all the illegals on a never ending bus trip around the US. After all, everybody loves a road trip. The left media, especially Fiona, can wring their hands several times daily at the atrocious treatment of these "asylum seekers" and show videos at various picturesque locations. Lefties will eat it up.
On a school bus, after all who doesn't love a yellow school bus?
How dumb are you? The refugees were told there were being taken to Boston and given assistance; instead they were dumped in the middle of nowhere. The community scrambled to provide them shelter and assistance, and immigration lawyers rushed there from Boston. They were then provided transport to a facility that is set up to provide longer-term temporary shelter and better located to get them to court appearances.
What is wrong with you?
"The liberal hypocrisy didn't quite materialize; Martha's Vineyard residents quickly volunteered as translators, coordinated shelter, and prepared food for the migrants before they continued on to other destinations."
THEY KICKED THEM OUT AND SHIPPED THEM TO A MILITARY BASE WITHIN 24 HRS. So, it could not have materialized faster than it did.
What the fuck are you talking about Fiona? Fucking Hell, you're a complete moron on this fucking topic.
Beat me to it.
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Apparently calling the feds to 'get these fucking immigrants out of here, yesterday!' is totally on track with being a shitlib open borders sanctuary city supporter, so long as you do it with a smile on your face?
^THIS^
Stop assuming altruism where the malice is obvious.
“WITHIN 24 HRS”
https://reason.com/2023/02/06/ron-desantis-wants-12-million-to-transport-migrants-from-any-point-in-the-u-s/?comments=true#comment-9912958
What is it with both you and Diane/Paul both having, and repeating in the precise same wording, incorrect facts on this matter?
44 Hours (24 may be a typo).
2 days makes it better than 1?
After reading that bald faced lie I was done.
8 million less than a single hospital in Yuma Arizona spent on illegal immigrant Healthcare and is now going bankrupt.
Why do you never write about those costs Fiona?
Be fair - we only have one hospital;)
Democrats are terrified that Republicans will nominate DeSantis (who might make 2024 competitive) instead of Trump (who is almost certain to lose).
Koch-funded open borders fanatics are terrified that Republicans will nominate DeSantis (who might make 2024 competitive) instead of Trump (who is almost certain to lose).
But either way, expect Koch-funded open borders fanatics to support the Democrat in 2024 like they did in 2020.
#CheapLaborAboveAll
keep beating that ‘trump is gonna lose’ drum
the way things have been set up over the last couple election cycles no Republican candidate can win in these fortified elections UNLESS they start doing something about it in every state of the union
No Republicans can win anymore, period, because the entire election system is rigged by Democrats.
now you’ve got it!
took you long enough.
now if you could only get on board with some common sense election corruption reform
Whenever politicians say "common sense" you can rest assured that whatever they are proposing is the opposite.
The Meeting of the Right Rightist Minds will now come to Odor!
Years ago by now, Our Dear Leader announced to us, that He may commit murder in broad daylight, and we shall still support Him! So He Has Commanded, and So Must it be Done!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
And now, oh ye Faithful of the Republican Church, It Has Become Known Unto us, that it is also in His Power and Privilege Ass Well, to murder the USA Constitution in broad daylight. Thus He Has Spoken, and Thus Must It Be Done! Thou shalt Render Unto Trump, and simply REND the USA Constitution, and wipe thine wise asses with it! Do NOT render unto some moldering old scrap of bathroom tissue! Lest we be called fools, or worse!
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There, I think that’s a wrap! I’ve covered it ALL! You can take the rest of the day off.
(You’re welcome!)
Why yes, I will keep mentioning the fact that Trump 2024 (no longer incumbent, keeps whining like a sore loser) is a weaker candidate than Trump 2020. And Trump 2020 managed to lose to a fading Joe Biden, who wasn't even impressive in his prime.
Trump's best chance to win in 2024 is if the economy gets much worse and Biden is the weakest incumbent since Jimmy Carter. Or if Biden gets replaced by someone less likeable than Hillary Clinton.
#ButInEitherCaseAnyWarmBodyRepublicanShouldWin
keeps whining like a sore loser
TDS! You voted for Biden! You're a leftist!
Get a new act.
^ ad hominem *snorts*
Note how Sandra is not widely criticized as having TDS?
Hey Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, and ALL of your other socks…
How is your totalitarian scheme to FORCE people to buy Reason magazines coming along?
Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to severely constrict these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!
So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!
“Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)
(Etc.)
See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/
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This (above damikesc quote) is a gem of the damnedest dumbness of damikesc! Like MANY “perfect in their own minds” asshole authoritarians around here, he will NEVER take back ANY of the stupidest and most evil things that he has written! I have more of those on file… I deploy them to warn other readers to NOT bother to try and reason with the most utterly unreasonable of the nit-wit twits here!
That's because Sandra is always attacking Reason, which makes her cool. Anyone in the comments who doesn't constantly attack Reason is a leftist with TDS.
She isn’t a one trick leftist victim like you are.
Oddly enough, the two you now communicate the most with, Mike and Jeff, both admitted to having TDS yesterday.
She's getting there.
It's unfortunate she dropped the OBL act only to prove herself incapable of being anything more than an AWFL clown.
No wonder she knew her previous character.
"Or if Biden gets replaced by someone less likeable than Hillary Clinton."
Oh, come on. Hitler is dead, and Xi has his hands full already with balloons and such. There is nobody left that is less likable than Hillary Clinton.
No real Floridian wants DeSantis to run in 2024.
We want him to stay his full term protecting us from the feds, THEN run for Prez and take the battle to the fascists.
Correct
It’s not about cheap labor, it’s about fascism-Hotel chains hosting illegals are getting paid, by taxpayers- the stock price goes up. Free food (well, taxpayer funded) agribusiness stocks go up. Free healthcare (taxpayer funded) is a great way to grift on pharmaceuticals, see Biden’s new chief of staff. Housing vouchers (taxpayer funded) are excellent for housing related stocks.
Fascism chaos ..somebody do something!. Otherwise, a host inviting a guest would be well prepared for the guest.
Transportation is much better than incarceration.
Repatriation would be better than both. Though I guess you would need transportation for that.
So you’re seconding the motion?
As long as they use trains?
What have the poor Venezuelans done to deserve being shipped round the Horn to Botany Bay, when a shrimp boat can safely deliver them from Miami to San Juan
Quickly on to other destinations. Quickly. So as not to disturb the residences of the folks who are constantly claiming that undocumented migration is a great thing.
And they DO think it IS --so long as it's actually occurring nowhere near them.
As yet, no one has been able to explain why it's a bad thing to send
illegalundocumented migrants to the prosperous communities who say that they want them and who, if fact CAN (and often DO) employ them.Doesn't it help to get them to places that want them and where they can find work?
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The Florida governor wants to fund more migrant stunts, despite claiming that his budget will “keep more money in the pockets of Floridians.”
Well this is a strangeball statement. Let's pretend for a moment that he successfully sends these migrants somewhere else... even just a few migrants who were so devastating to the Martha's Vineyard economy that they had to hustle 50 of them out before the sun came up because the burden to their systems and services was so crushing that a self-described sanctuary *checks notes* social construct couldn't sustain them. $12 million might actually save Floridians a lot of money. A lot. Like a fucking fuck ton.
The story of Arizona losing hospitals due to a rash of illegals consuming their resources with no ability to pay for them seems to be, for Fiona, an overall good thing.
"before the sun came up"
https://reason.com/2023/02/06/ron-desantis-wants-12-million-to-transport-migrants-from-any-point-in-the-u-s/?comments=true#comment-9912958
Efficiency.
I want to know why he thinks 2 days is so much better than 1 day.
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I just don't get how he thinks this is a defense of their actions.
Sorry I called you out on your spreading "that which is not true".
I think the question isn't necessarily that you're being pedantic about it, the question is what is your point?
The liberal hypocrisy didn’t quite materialize; Martha’s Vineyard residents quickly volunteered as translators, coordinated shelter, and prepared food for the migrants before they continued on to other destinations.
You are fucking kidding me. You are kidding me on fucking methamphetamines with this comment.
It's pretty accurate. Despite conservative efforts to spin the Martha's Vineyard as an own of the libs, the folks of Martha's Vineyard treated the immigrants quite well.
Now maybe they really are a bunch of hypocrites and they only treated the immigrants well because the world was watching, but it doesn't change that they did indeed treat them well.
“Pizza and transportation outta here” is treating well.
"Get the fuck outta here" is not treating them "well".
MV, with considerable money, melted down over about 50 immigrants while numerous small towns in TX and AZ deal with multiples of that weekly.
They didn’t “get the fuck outta here” them. They fed and housed them and then took them to where services were available to them.
Where was this “melt down”? Just because right-wingers go around high-fiving each other that they owned the libs, doesn't mean they actually owned the libs.
And yet, the stunts have worked wonders for attention. When you get a bunch of progressive locations, including some of the most affluent places on the planet, out-bursting how they can't handle the immigration from even small numbers of immigrants, the point gets made pretty quickly. It may not be an "own," but they have been successful political stunts.
They knew full well the cameras were on them and put on a nice little show, with a smile, and it lasted as long as it did (not long at all) because that's exactly how long it took to make arrangements to get them the fuck out.
Its the embodiment of clear hypocrisy. They made the exact move Desantis attempted to force. They got played
DeSantis wanted them to freak out and sic the police dogs on them. His stunt failed.
Whether it was genuine concern or to put on a show of concern, what we SAW was the immigrants being treated well. You implicitly admit that in your comment.
No, what people saw was the wealthiest Americans in the country buying immigrants pizza and then having the military take them away.
For 2 days. For 1% of the immigrants seen in southwestern districts who have had their economies decimated.
So, you think shipping them out within 2 days is cool as long as the wealthiest people in the US bought them pizza first?
I like the idea that unless the people of MV violently evicted the immigrants within one hour, this is somehow a win against DeSantis' stunt. Yet, that was never the standard. The standard was the people who claim to care so much about illegal immigrants weren't remotely willing to have the illegal immigrants around them for any longer than it took to generate a nice little virtue signaling story they could post on Instagram with a photo of how they "embraced" these immigrants before they had the military take them away.
Juuuuuuuuust in case anyone is stumbling onto Reason.com for the first time, I'll explain what's going on here. 🙂
Reason.com is funded by Charles Koch, a silver spoon billionaire whose only goal in life is to see his inherited fortune get even larger. One of his favorite ways to inflate his inheritance is to drive down wages by importing cheap labor. He pays "libertarians" to promote open borders because it's in his financial interest.
Fiona has taken over the role of Chief Open Borders Advocate formerly held by Shikha Dalmia. Dalmia was so terrible at her job that she didn't even attempt to hide the fact that Koch-funded writers view immigrants primarily as imported labor: A country that committed the original sin of slavery to forcibly bring foreign labor to America should not be going to such draconian lengths to throw voluntary foreign labor out of America.
Yes. She seriously argued slavery was bad; therefore, we should pursue policies that enrich my white male billionaire boss.
#ToneDeaf
My personal favorite was when she explained how US Customs is so racist that she has to have her white husband drive whenever they go to Canada.
Ah, Shikha Dalmia. The writer who used Reason to post a hagiographic eulogy for an Indian socialist. A socialist so fanatically extreme that she was fired from a newspaper by her own brother because of her support for Maoist terrorism.
How do you have these details case files on people? How come when you recount things from long ago you obscure the story by not naming anyone’s names or providing links?
I feel like starting a daily Reason/Desantis article counter, but I don't think I'd be able to keep up.
It's tough, but it worked to get ENB off her yglasias addiction
STOP IT WITH STUPID FACTS!
Immigrants do not pay any taxes at all because they don't work and they don't buy stuff, they steal good jobs while they're not working, they are all on welfare, they all have anchor babies (even the men), and they every single one is a criminal (in addition to the capital crime of not having papers they all rob, murder and rape)!
Jesus H Christ on a skateboard! Get with the program!
Is that directed at Martha’s Vineyard?
How about NYC? They don't seem to want all of that no-strings-attached GDP growth.
Weird how everybody but zealots see some negatives with illegals.
Some immigrants are on welfare, therefore all immigrants are on welfare.
Some immigrants avoid taxes, therefore no immigrants pay taxes.
Some immigrants commit crimes, therefore every immigrant is a criminal.
Some immigrants have children, therefore every immigrant has an anchor baby.
Is that why “sanctuary cities” kick them out?
Heck, sanctuary cities take far fewer than those evil, racist cities that openly do not want plenty of illegals. But don't call it hypocrisy.
Sarc, I posted an article a week ago about how illegal immigrants have used up all the homeless welfare in Maine. Something you should care about. Note this is far less than seen in other cities and states.
Your ignorant cries that there is no cost is belied by reality. Large cities freaking out over 50k illegal immigrants. 2.5 million have crossed under Biden.
Do you live in a fact free world where narratives are king?
Nice strawman by the way. Is that all you do now?
Some immigrants are on welfare, therefore all immigrants are on welfare.
From your quote above: use welfare at lower rates than similarly situated native-born Americans
You are trying to be sarcastic but how is this an argument? At what rate does someone who comes here illegally deserve to collect welfare over a natural born citizen?
Some immigrants avoid taxes, therefore no immigrants pay taxes.
Avoid taxes is not the same as not paying them. I avoid as much tax as allowed, but not by illegally not paying any at all.
Some immigrants commit crimes, therefore every immigrant is a criminal.
Some immigrants do indeed commit crimes. Some don't and work very hard to stay here.
Some immigrants have children, therefore every immigrant has an anchor baby.
Here's an anecdote for you. Took my wife to the ER in AZ for a pain issue. In the next examining booth was a youngish 'immigrant' woman and a friend of similar age who had come in by ambulance for stomach pain. The nurse kindly suggested the pain may be residual from the most recent of the five Caesarean procedures she'd had. The nurse dismissed the patient with no payment requirement.
When my wife was done, even though I had insurance, I had to secure the bill with a credit card as part of my dismissal. The bill later came to $5400 for the ER.
Not only that but they lie about the manipulations to the statistic to get there. A woman has an anchor baby, the benefits go to the child (US citizen) but the mother has full discretionary control of the funds. They also include the existence of sales taxes to handwave in as proof of taxes paid and for crime they exclude the deportations even if done as part of a plea.
The zealots see the negatives as soon as the illegals show up at their door
weaksauce on a nothingburger of a comment
It's amazing how the federal government can spend the nation bankrupt yet cannot even do their MOST BASIC F'En job.
Are we at the point of daily 'Florida Man Bad!' articles?
Soon: hourly.
Chicago built a ton of housing for the homeless. Then instead of putting homeless there, they stuck immigrants in them.
Yet we keep getting told that immigrants literally don’t use any public services or anything. They just add to the GDP. Man, Chicago and Martha’s vineyard are missing out on all that GDP.
"don’t use any public services"
Who says that?
Hey Mike is asking for tedily avaliable sources that he will never read or acknowledge.
Kill yourself
Conservaturds making friends, gathering votes, and influencing people by... PEDDLING KOOL-AID AND SUICIDE!!! How's it workin' for ya, servant of the Evil One?
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
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Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
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The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
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Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
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You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
It's a shame you just don't drink from the vat of Flavor-Aid there.
Conservaturds making friends, gathering votes, and influencing people by… PEDDLING KOOL-AID AND SUICIDE!!! How’s it workin’ for ya, servant of the Evil One?
For a "sanctuary city", Chicago seems very ill-prepared to handle them. And yes, Mike, they are using those services.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2023/01/31/is-chicago-running-out-of-room-to-house-migrants-more-seek-help-from-police-stations-hospitals-as-shelters-fill-up/
Thousands of migrants continue to arrive in Chicago, increasingly straining the city’s ability to house and support them, local leaders say.
Migrants have shown up at police stations, community centers and other locations in recent weeks, unable to access a city shelter, an alderperson and a community organizer said. In some cases, rumors and other information have encouraged migrants to seek help in places besides the shelters.
Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s administration has denied migrants are being turned away from shelters. But as city leaders scramble to find more housing for thousands of people, organizers and local leaders also are hustling to help migrants they say aren’t easily finding support through the city.
And the locals are not happy about it.
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-residents-attempt-to-block-migrants-from-moving-into-former-woodlawn-school
Over the last several weeks, Woodlawn residents have expressed concerns about the move. Alderman Jeanette Taylor of the 20th Ward says she, along with residents, have been left out of the loop regarding planning and services that will be offered.
"STOP IT WITH STUPID FACTS!
Immigrants do not pay any taxes at all because they don’t work and they don’t buy stuff, they steal good jobs while they’re not working, they are all on welfare, they all have anchor babies (even the men), and they every single one is a criminal (in addition to the capital crime of not having papers they all rob, murder and rape)!"
https://www.abc15.com/news/state/two-arizona-hospitals-set-to-close-due-to-financial-struggles#:~:text=After%20years%20of%20financial%20struggles%2C%20two%20Arizona%20hospitals,officially%20close%20Saturday%2C%20June%2016%20at%201%20p.m.
Never any negative impact from illegals.
I didn't vote for socialism in the USA, but I have been forced to participate, so yes, I will help pay for roads, education, etc., for the kids. Please don't forget, we tax the illegal sub-humans to make them pay to help prop up Social Security, but they never get to benefit from the taxes that they pay! (In the particular case of SS). See "The Truth About Undocumented Immigrants and Taxes" (in quotes) in your Google search window will take you straight there, hit number one... AKA http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/
This is a part of a long pattern of Government Almighty fuck-ups making necessary, MORE Government Almighty fuck-ups! Government Almighty mandated WAY too many licenses, before we're allowed to earn an honest living... Put too many of us into poverty. To "help" with this poverty problem that Government Almighty created, Government Almighty gave us welfare. Welfare then attracts too many illegal sub-humans, sometimes, so to fix THAT problem, Government Almighty now wants e-verify and giant border walls and giant border armies, so I suppose Government Almighty will next fire up the military draft to fix THAT problem! (Lack of a large enough wall-and-army forces).
Those of us who like individual freedom, would like for Government Almighty to SHRINK, for once, instead of always making itself BIGGER to fix all of the problems created by Government Almighty in the first place!
...
FYI, Martha's Vineyard calling themselves a Sanctuary Social Construct and then hustling 50 migrants out of said social construct in less than 24 hours is a "stunt".
It's one thing to have an opinion about how Martha's Vineyard handled the migrants, but let's not alter the facts. They were there more than 24 hours.
The correct number is 44 hours:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/17/us/marthas-vineyard-migrants-journey-desantis/index.html
Whoooo! Almost 4 days! Like a mini vacation it was.
Needs moar pedanticism.
They made it almost 2 days then?
Wow. Put them up for the fucking Nobel Prize for their sheer humanity.
Really? Citing CNN?
OK, what about Fox News, from an article critical of Martha's Vineyard:
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/marthas-vineyard-rallies-relief-effort-migrants-shipping-them-cape-cod-military-base
48 hours is your metric for migrant care. Most of those shipped to MV were in other areas for weeks to months. So you should be praising DeSantis for being much more caring.
I'm guessing that FOX and talk radio must be pushing really hard for DeSantis to be the next president. At least that would explain some of the reflexive hatred towards anything critical of the man.
Goes along with Reason deciding he is the new victim of their Two Minutes of Hate.
*snort*
The only victims I see are the poor, sad Republicans being smeared by mean, mean, leftist Reason.
And yourself. Always the biggest victim.
Fiona, do you like to play "intern" when Mr. Koch stops by Reason HQ?
damn, you guys are still trying to hamstring HeavyD and this is the best you can come up with?
more governors need to do the same. if all 5 million illegals that have entered under brandon were transported to libtarded cities they'd rethink this retarded policy.
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You people could at least get a ChatGPT bot to write these. The grammar is getting to war crimes level.
Budget it as a state subsidy for performance art?
Ask for drag queen volunteers who also happen to be illegal aliens. Send them to Martha's Vinyard for an illegal alien drag show. So much fun to be had.
Maybe an article regarding how VP Harris is faring in regard to securing the southern border, something she was tasked with two years ago.
She is too busy playing with yellow school buses and venn diagrams.
I fucking love Venn diagrams!
>>The liberal hypocrisy didn't quite materialize
oh no no y'all are still definitely liberal hypocrites.
So how much taxpayer money did he spend to send people, who were not in Florida, on a tourist flight to Martha's Vineyard ?
Several sources claim it was $615,000. But I'm seeing others saying up to $1.4 or 1.5 million. Not sure who, or if anybody, has the right numbers.
But traitor Joe not upholding his constitutional oath by opening our boarders to let third world scum walk into our country unopposed, that wasn't a political stunt, was it?
What section or clause in the Constitution has been violated? No hand waving, be precise.
Article IV Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against **Invasion**; and on Application of the Legislature
Not sure how this is different from liberal judges issuing nationwide injunctions against laws they don’t like.
Why do you care? The illegal immigrants are apparently being transported to areas that want them. Those new areas should then show the benefits you claim will come with illegal immigration, and you will have a real life case study to prove your theory with no one getting harmed. Why are you against this?
Fiona is concerned for the poor people of Florida, who are denied the benefits of illegal migration, of course! That's just the kind of woman she is, kind and caring! /sarc
DId you miss the point of the article, which is that it contradicts DeSantis' claims of fiscal conservatism.
And he is right: every illegal migrant they manage to ship out of Florida will save the state a lot more money than the tickets cost.
But he's proposing to use the money for illegals everywhere in the US, not those in Florida. This is performative bullshit - a domain in which DeSanitise is, I concede, an expert.
Biden is already doing that with Federal dollars. So what is your issue exactly? He has been doing that for 2 years.
You should really understand the underlying facts shrike.
Fuck off, cracker.
Yes, in order to transport illegal migrants out of Florida, they generally need to promise them to not just drop them off at the state line but get them to some sanctuary city destination. This may require the purchase of out of state tickets, and that needs to be authorized by law.
Yes, you are engaging in "performative bullshit".
"And he is right: every illegal migrant they manage to ship out of Florida will save the state a lot more money than the tickets cost."
Hey Noy-Boy-Soy-Boy-Toy... Did ya notice that they are NOT being shipped out of FloriDuh, Duh?!?!
De-Satan-Tis wants to ship them from ANY point in the USA!!! Using Florid-Duh tax money!!! READ the fucking HEADLINE, at least, mentally deformed and-or lazy moron!!!
"Martha's Vineyard residents quickly volunteered as translators, coordinated shelter, and prepared food for the migrants before they continued on to other destinations."
1. All those services were provided by citizens, religious zealots all, not the MV government.
2. "continued on to other destinations" = "were rounded up by the military and thrown off the island". So the actual government response was to treat them like criminals. Well, damn.
Fiona is a liar like the rest of the flock.
"All those services were provided by citizens, religious zealots all, not the MV government."
Relevance? Importance? Isn't this what we libertarians want?
Isn’t this what we libertarians want?
You're not a libertarian.
Right… the person in this conversarion arguing the value of voluntarily helping one’s fellow men is not a libertarian.
No, he is pointing out that MV residents are hypocrites, since they demand that other local governments provide services to illegal migrants while their own local government fails to do so. And it fails to do so despite declaring itself a "sanctuary".
What is the picture with this article? It almost looks like it's an attempt to depict DeSantis surrounded by flames.
It's a teenage girl's selfie pose, complete with filter.
De-Satan-Tis is emerging from the flames of HELL to come and suck us all into the vortex of unending HATRED of ALL of the un-Americans, starting with those supposedly HORRIBLE illegal-subhuman BROWN people!!! ALL is for the Glorious Collective Hive, of ONLY the REAL Americans, Comrade! All Hail!!!
Reason does not often publish superficial and ideologically dishonest articles, but this is one (in fact the first one I have read since I found reason online three years ago).
While you might call the Desantis immigrant flights to Martha's Vineyard a stunt, they also clearly have a philosophical point to make, and the people and political leaders in MA and NY have reacted in a way that shows deep hypocrisy, when juxtaposed with their political views (shipping the immigrant to other locations quickly or saying their support systems are overwhelmed, even though the number of immigrant are low compared to border states).
I am for fairly liberal and high rates of immigration, but loosing control of our border is not reasonable. The feds (politicians) are derelict in their duties, as they ignore the border situation. The author of this article is derelict in their duty, as they try to bend fact to fit an ideological narrative.
Wow, go back to the late 90s early 2000s and earlier (when I started reading) . They use to steel man their opponents arguments, then tear them down one by one arguing from a liberty/personal responsibility/NAP first principles. The level that reason has fallen in the last 10 years is quite depressing. The real massive slide started with their article on why eliminating 1A can be libritarian
You skipped over commenting on the central point of the blog post, which is that DeSantis is claiming to be a champion of fiscal restraint … and then he’s spending $$$ on this.
And the counter to that argument is that this is $$ that will save his state even more $$ in the long run.
By flying people who aren’t even in Florida in the first place?
The law merely gives permission to use funds to move people outside Florida. That is needed because migrants leave Florida voluntarily in response to Florida giving them tickets and some of those tickets may be from out of state locations to other out of state locations.
Is that easy enough to understand?
He's a governor, let him spend his own 6 figure salary on sending immigrants on sight-seeing tours. But Floridians should really be asking themselves why is he spending so much money on non-Floridians ... and coming back for more. How is minding other state's business good fiscal policy ?
Is Biden spending his own money flying his invited illegals around the country?
For a proper analogy using Emperor Biden...
Did Biden spend USA tax money to trick or force the illegal sub-humanoids into being shipped from Canada to Belgium, using USA taxpayer money, for a political stunt? Or was it from Sweden to Brazil?
A governor putting a $12 million request in a budget? Wait did you say $12 million with an m? With an M?
Congrats for focusing on the consequential!
Why is it bad went DeSantis and Ducey do it but fine when Biden and Hobbs do it?
So... Did Biden and Hobbs spend USA tax money to trick the illegal sub-humanoids into being shipped from Canada to Belgium, using USA taxpayer money, for a political stunt? Or was it from Sweden to Brazil?
"The liberal hypocrisy didn't quite materialize; Martha's Vineyard residents quickly volunteered as translators, coordinated shelter, and prepared food for the migrants before they continued on to other destinations."
Vox or HuffPost couldn't have said this better. This is a wholly inaccurate, left-wing prospective portrayal of what occurred in Martha's Vineyard.
I think what's going on here is that DeSantis wants to divert illegal aliens who were scheduled to be transported to Florida before they get to Florida. So for example if there are ten illegal aliens in Texas who were going to be bused to Florida as "refugees" - rather than wait until they're in Florida (where they state taxpayer would probably have to foot the bill as long as they're there) and then bus them to Martha's Vinyard - he'd rather bus them directly to Martha's Vinyard from Texas and not have Florida act as the go-between (and pick up the costs while they're in Florida).
It’s likely mainly for migrants coming out of Florida that still need to go through other states to get to their destinations.
Cool. What does the governor of California get to do to people in your state?
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