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China

Nothing About the Chinese Balloon Saga Makes Sense

Plus: The French face "le wokisme," a Tennessee "eyelash specialist license" would require 300 hours education, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 2.6.2023 9:30 AM

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Nothing about the "Chinese spy balloon" story makes sense—but that hasn't stopped U.S. officials from using it to stoke anti-China sentiment and cancel an attempt to ease diplomatic relations.

The basics: A Chinese balloon started drifting into U.S. territory about 10 days ago. It first entered Alaskan airspace, then drifted over Canada, then made its way back into U.S. airspace, appearing over Montana on February 1. By Saturday, when U.S. forces shot down the balloon, it was floating over the shores of South Carolina.

What the Chinese say: It was "a civilian airship used for research, mainly meteorological, purposes"—a weather balloon, essentially—that veered off course due to westerly winds and "limited self-steering capability."

What Americans are saying: It's a spy balloon! It's an act of open hostility! U.S. Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken called it "a violation of our sovereignty" and "a violation of international law." House China Select Committee Chairman Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.) declared the balloon "a threat to American sovereignty" and "a threat to the Midwest." Mitt Romney used it as an opportunity to call for banning TikTok.

The fallout: Blinken was supposed to visit Beijing this past weekend, on a trip designed to help keep relations cordial and keep lines of communication open between the countries. He was even scheduled to meet with Chinese president Xi Jinping. But Blinken canceled the trip last week, as the Chinese balloon loomed large (literally and figuratively) over America.

Not only did the balloon nix a diplomatic visit, it's inflaming tensions—and paranoia—here in the States. The balloon is "more fodder for China hawks in Washington, for sure," NPR correspondent Michele Kelemen said on Saturday. Kelemen described the incident as sounding like a story out of the Cold War, which was "exactly what [Blinken's] trip was supposed to prevent."

The absurdity: The balloon in question is absolutely massive, with "an undercarriage roughly the size of three buses," as The New York Times put it. This would be an absolutely bonkers way to spy on the United States—especially since the images it picks up are reportedly no better than those it can obtain through satellites. One defense official said, as summarized The Washington Post, that the images a balloon like this could obtain "wouldn't offer much in the way of surveillance that China couldn't collect through spy satellites."

Anyone on the ground could see the balloon in the sky without any sort of specialized equipment. To believe this was meant as a secret spycraft, you'd have to believe the Chinese authorities are just absolute morons, which (whatever else they might be) clearly isn't true.

Some have suggested, alternatively, that it was not meant to be a secret—we were supposed to see it and to feel intimidated. This theory also makes little sense. Why would China act with such belligerence while simultaneously trying to soothe relations through the Blinken visit? And why would the U.S. be intimidated by what is essentially a hot air balloon? A hot air balloon, mind you, that China may have little precise directional control over once it's in the air?

https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1621753852067463171

"Experts in national security and aerospace said the craft appeared to share characteristics with high-altitude balloons used by developed countries around the world for weather forecasting, telecommunications and scientific research," reports The Washington Post, which also notes such vessels are wind-controlled. "These balloons navigate by rising and sinking to find winds blowing in the direction they want to go."

If the balloon can't be precisely controlled from afar, that seems to lend it little use as a spy balloon, but it would fit China's story of a weather balloon that drifted off course.

This thread from entrepreneur and commentator Arnaud Bertrand is worth a read for a healthy dose of skepticism about the idea that China meant to send the balloon to the U.S. for spying purposes.

But, but, but…: There could be new and specialized tech in the balloon that made it easier to guide, some experts say. And some of the weirdness—like the fact that it was floating so low and therefore so easily detectable—could have been mistakes. So we can't entirely rule out the possibility that this was a poorly conceived, badly executed, and oddly timed spy mission.

It's also possible that China did launch this as a spy balloon but that it wasn't intended to fly over the U.S.

"The Chinese would have known that sending a clearly observable balloon into the US heartland would be a provocative action, and they are unlikely to have done so on purpose," says Ars Technica. But this could be a scenario where "the termination mechanism, which is used to bring down a balloon at the end of its desired flight time, failed….The prevailing currents in the stratosphere would appear to support this theory of a drifting balloon the Chinese government had lost control of."

Now that the balloon has been shot down, U.S. authorities should be able to determine more, and maybe we'll get some more definitive answers in the coming days. If authorities can say with more certainty that it was nefarious, we will surely hear about it. If details are sparse and slow to come…well, I think that tells us something, too.

This didn't have to be a big deal, at least not yet. It didn't have to ruin Blinken's diplomatic visit. And it doesn't have to turn into another step on the way to American-Chinese cold war. But an intentional spy balloon makes a much sexier story than a research balloon run amok or "we just don't know yet," and a lot of politicians and press couldn't resist leaning into the former framing.


FREE MINDS

"Le wokisme." Thomas Chatterton Williams explores the fault lines in France's fights over social justice politics. He describes the scene at a Tocqueville Conversations conference he attended in Normandy:

Onstage with [Rokhaya Diallo] were a political scientist and two philosophy professors, one of whom was the moderator, Perrine Simon-Nahum. Diallo is a well-known and polarizing figure in France, a telegenic proponent of identity politics with a large social-media following. She draws parallels between the French and American criminal-justice systems (one of her documentaries is called From Paris to Ferguson), making the case that institutional racism afflicts her nation just as it does the U.S., most notably in discriminatory stop-and-frisk policing. Her views would hardly be considered extreme in America, but here she is seen in some quarters as a genuinely subversive agent….

"The circulation of knowledge is also the circulation of experiences," Diallo responded [to a question about shaping citizens in a democracy]. "Some minority experiences may be more visible" now thanks to social media. That poses a much-needed challenge to traditional "elite" knowledge production, which, she said, had "filtered out" certain perspectives in the past. This claim was indisputable. A few weeks after this conference, Emmanuel Macron would become the first French president to participate in commemorations of the 1961 massacre of Algerian protesters by police in Paris. Most French people I know had never encountered this event either in school or in traditional media.

Diallo's views were vehemently rejected by other panelists and by the audience, writes Williams. He continues:

By the end of the discussion, I was somewhat shaken. On many discrete points, I tended to agree with the philosophers on the panel. I have made Paris my home for the past 11 years and have been raising French children there for nine of them, which is to say I feel a genuine stake in the culture. I am convinced that it would be a terrible, perhaps even insurmountable, loss to abandon the universalist, color-blind French ideal to the fractured landscape of American tribal identity.

And yet I also felt that something fundamentally unfair had just transpired. France, like America, is constantly evolving. Any attempt to make sense of it will have to take Diallo's arguments seriously. She had tried to share an understanding of French life—one in which growing segments of the French population feel excluded and censured—that her interlocutors could not or would not accept, but that their behavior seemed to confirm.

Read the whole thing here.


FREE MARKETS

Department of occupational licensing run amok:

https://twitter.com/bradenboucek/status/1621879159499722752

A proposal in Tennessee would add "providing eyelash services"—defined as "applying and removing a semi-permanent, thread-like, natural or synthetic single fiber to an eyelash"—to cosmetology practices that require specialized licenses. Obtaining an "eyelash specialist license" would require "no less than 300 hours in classroom instruction and practical experience, including at least eight hours of theoretical instruction." Eyelash specialist license applicants would also have to train on "recogniz[ing] the signs of domestic violence, how to respond to these signs, and how to refer a client to resources for victims of domestic violence."


QUICK HITS

• President Joe Biden will give his 2023 State of the Union address on Tuesday night.

• A federal court has ruled a law barring marijuana users from owning guns to be unconstitutional.

• Citation, please:

All told, between higher prices and lower wages, lack of competition between businesses costs the median American household $5,000 a year.

I'm building a fairer, more competitive economy that works for working families. pic.twitter.com/ZmFCbfJZ2r

— President Biden (@POTUS) February 5, 2023

• In the wake of losing an antitrust lawsuit against Facebook, the Federal Trade Commission "is preparing a potential antitrust lawsuit against Amazon…that in the coming months could challenge an array of the tech giant's business practices as anticompetitive," reports The Wall Street Journal.

• Offices are still much less full than they were pre-pandemic.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Nothing about the "Chinese spy balloon" story makes sense...

    I heard Balloon Boy was piloting it.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Ballon boy and the entire population of China should be free to immigrate to the US via safe and humane means. They shouldn't need to depend on outdated modes of transport like ballons - Reason.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        What about shipping containers?

        1. JenniferSilva   2 years ago (edited)

          I get paid over 190$ per hour working from home with 2 kids at home. I never thought I’d be able to do it but my best friend earns over 10k a month doing this and she convinced me to try. The potential with this is endless. Heres what I’ve been doing..

          HERE====)> http://WWW.NETPAYFAST.COM

        2. Utkonos   2 years ago

          That’s so Flower Drum Song!

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            The Montgolfier Brother are so excited about all this balloon news that they can hardly wash!
            🙂

            Monty Python's Flying Circus Season 4 Episode 1 The Golden Age Of Ballooning
            https://dai.ly/x85vlvq

            You know who else would say: "IT'S NOT A BALLOON, YOU STUPID SAXON GIT!"?
            😉

    2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      It makes complete sence if you have an iq over 10...o wait I see enbs problem

      1. Utkonos   2 years ago

        Perfectly innocent explanation—Chinese driving!

    3. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      Come on guys, quite being spoil sports. It was FUN seeing that balloon shot down, and a good "here, take THAT you commie bastards!"

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Hey, let's go full alt-tin foil hat and ask: how many virus dispensers can fit on a balloon payload the size of three buses?

      1. Beezard   2 years ago (edited)

        My problem with that line of thinking is: if China gets one chance to get an edge on us in starting WWIII, it’s possibly the stupidest and most ineffectual way to do it.

        I hope they’re that stupid, but I doubt it. I think 20 suitcase bombs in 20 cities would be just as easy and a zillion times more effective than relying on a single balloon and wind currents.

        I definitely think they’re testing NORAD or some shit, though.

    5. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      Well then, obviously the Moops are behind this.

    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      The only thing we can say for certain here is that the DoD and glowies are lying their ass off about all of it.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "the DoD and glowies are lying their ass off"

        Like gravity and the conservation of energy it's an immutable physical law.

    7. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

      I am surprised there is no left/progressive movement to call the balloon something other than 'Chinese' because of racism...

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Did you notice how carefully the media avoided the word "Chinese" after the shootings in California?

    8. Unable2Reason   2 years ago

      China is practicing for germ warfare. Wouldn't it be nice if Covid-20 appeared to come out of the USA? With obvious genetic engineering? Planted it in some covert manner, like a steerable "weather" balloon?

      A defected Chinese vaccine scientist claims that the Kung-flu was engineered to be just deadly enough to cause panic & weaken the rest of the world by their over-the-top overreaction. Coronavirus was used because it doesn't appear on any list of potential germ warfare agents and thus provides plausible deniability.

      China has been gathering genetic information from around the world to enable targeted germ warfare. Chinese scientists built some fragments of the Monkey Pox from scratch with the lie that they had to because samples of the virus was claimed to be unobtainable. Everybody else in the world just drew a sample from somebody that had it but somehow the Chinese couldn't find anybody.

      All this is practice, practice, practice. Hitler started flying gliders while he was under the constraints of the Treaty of Versailles. When he decided to break out and start the Luftwaffe, he already had fully trained pilots.

    9. MoreFreedom   2 years ago

      What makes sense is the balloon is a distraction from the biggest corruption scandal in US history unfolding as we learn more and more about how weaponized the federal government has become for the Democrats, how Biden has sold us out, how the government cheated in the election, but look a balloon!

      I'd bet they could quickly engineer a high altitude balloon that intercepts these stratospheric balloons, with a camera, attach to it, and that can puncture it and bring it down slowly. Instead, it appears they intentionally lost it, to facilitate fake narratives.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    President Joe Biden will give his 2023 State of the Union address on Tuesday night.

    As long as he makes it to the Early Bird Special in time that afternoon.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Will that leave time for his fresh blood transfusion?

      1. JoeB   2 years ago

        If they have to generate the adrenochrome, no.

    2. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      Is Jackie going to be there?

      1. Utkonos   2 years ago

        With a special guest appearance by Corn Pop. The Gang’s all here!

    3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      I didn't Jello Pudding and Boost were on the buffet.
      🙂

    4. CE   2 years ago

      My fellow Americans, the state of our union is "strong".
      I already know that's the key takeaway, because that's what every president says every year.

  3. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622425697812627457?t=6TQ2LQWB5JRvKztYbmScQg&s=19

    ChatGPT says it is never morally permissible to utter a racial slur—even if doing so is the only way to save millions of people from a nuclear bomb.

    [Link]

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      It was certainly slurring/stereotyping white people a few days ago.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      That's ChatGPT, esquire

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Meanwhile, OpenAI, developers of ChatGPT, have encoded woke racial, ethnic, and gender biases in their content moderation. See David Rozado's Substack.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Thank you for that, by the way. Just read one of his substacks on chatgpt. Very informative.

      2. MoreFreedom   2 years ago

        AI algorithms are trained based on correlating the desired output to a huge data set of samples. If the algorithm uses the vast quantity of woke articles and books for its sample data, it's the definition of Garbage In, Garbage Out.

    4. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

      I just changed my password.

    5. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      Conclusion: AI has not yet evolved to the Zeroth Law of Robotics.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    A federal court has ruled a law barring marijuana users from owning guns to be unconstitutional.

    WELL THAT SETTLES IT I'M SURE

    1. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

      LOL. Yeah. But, hell, maybe it's a start.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        If the pot heads remember.

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

          I never forget where I put my guns.

          1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

            Never?
            I don't smoke pot and I searched for hours for a missing Kimber 1911. Top shelf of the wrong safe.

            It happens.

            1. WuzYoungOnceToo   2 years ago

              How many safes do you have that it took hours to search them all for a firearm?

          2. Minadin   2 years ago

            Tragic boating accident?

    2. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Time for the Post and NY Times to start stoking fear of pot-crazed killers on the rampage with their now-legal guns.

  5. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1622282274216546305?t=rl3xooDycM6hXHkj3Af2Fw&s=19

    They want to indoctrinate kids with the woke marxist ideology that teaches them to hate certain races

    [Link]

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Joseph Goebbels approves. Stalin and Mao, too.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Offices are still much less full than they were pre-pandemic.

    Clot shot death toll?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Combined with the new "work is optional" economy.

      1. HorseConch   2 years ago

        Greatest economy ever. Forget about the fact that the number employeed has barely moved in 3 years. I'm sure Covid killed the 6-8 million that should have entered the workforce.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago


          2017 $19.543 $18.144 2.3%
          2018 $20.612 $18.688 2.9%
          2019 $21,433 $19,092 2.2%
          2020 $20,893 $18,384 (3.4%)
          2021 $22,996 $19,427 5.7%
          2022 2.1%

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Well there's some... numbers.

            You sure showed HorseConch, Shrike.

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

              GDP, dumbass.

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                What the fuck does the GDP have to do with unemployed and the number of those out of the workforce, which was what HorseConch was talking about, dumbass.

                You just stuck some numbers up irrelevant to the topic hoping that you could bluff you're way through.
                I hope that you didn't get fifty-cents for that.

              2. MoreFreedom   2 years ago

                You could have used some context there: AFAIK it was your and your spouse's (the two columns with $) part time income from the past few years and the % change from the prior year, showing your economic situation and annual income of about $40,000.

                Some numbers have two decimal points in them where it appears you're supposed to have commas. Finally, I'm supposed to know the US GDP (I assume that's what you're talking about) was only $22,996 (or the other number, $19,427)? Heck, I made more than that last year on my investments, and my income is part of the USA GDP. Seems you forgot to mention those are in units of billions of dollars, rather than just dollars.

                See what I mean about missing context?

          3. Jerry B.   2 years ago

            A cite and link would be much more effective.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              If he did that, we could read his link, and show that it refutes him as Shrike never reads his links.

            2. Chumby   2 years ago

              Don’t click on Sloppy Pluggo’s links unless you want a visit from Chris Hansen.

              1. xiveta   2 years ago

                44

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Or, you know, zoom.us.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        A piss poor substitute.

      2. damikesc   2 years ago

        If it was good, you'd see environmentalists using it.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Environmentalists don't use Zoom? Doesn't everyone use Zoom?

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            Real men don’t use zoom.

          2. damikesc   2 years ago

            Explains all of the private jets at environmental conferences.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Mike knows. He's playing retard on purpose.

            2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Oh, that's the joke you were trying to make: by "environmentalists" you mean attendees at environmental conferences.

              I'll explain why your joke wasn't clear: vegan Political Science majors who smell like patchouli oil also go around calling themselves "environmentalists", so it wasn't obvious you were referring to politicians who attend conferences in their jets.

              Also, even they use videoconferencing some of the time.

              1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

                That's a reach. Obtuse Mike, like the warden in Shawshank obtuse.

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

                  Obtuse = doesn’t do conservative group think.

                  1. Chumby   2 years ago

                    10) My feelingz need me to “no true Scotsman” words.

      3. Minadin   2 years ago

        I always enjoy it when my construction crews decide to work from home.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

          You need to get into building projects in the Zuckerverse. Meatspace is passé.

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            Faggot.

  7. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "President Joe Biden will give his 2023 State of the Union address on Tuesday night."

    The official hype man for the Biden economy told me Dementia Joe deserves to brag about this performance.

    #DefendBidenAtAllCosts

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Special emphasis on spittin tobaccy policy.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        3 for 2 deals at gas stations on spitting tobaccy prove there is no inflation.

        1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

          POUCH COUNT IS UP

        2. Utkonos   2 years ago (edited)

          Actually, Biden just accomplished some serious deflation, for all to sea!
          (I don’t have a cite, but I think it’s somewhere in The Atlantic)

          1. MoreFreedom   2 years ago

            The funny thing about how Biden handled the Chinese balloon, is he allowed it to complete its spying mission over the US (never mind that Chinese satellites can almost see everything with the same resolution), then lost all the electronics, IMHO, to further fake narratives about it. Then both Xi and Biden declared victory, which is expected since Xi owns the Bidens because he can blackmail them by revealing the dirty money they've sent to the Bidens.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Looks like the Kochs will back deathsantis. A rare OBL miss.
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11715841/Koch-network-releases-plan-defeat-Trump-GOP-nomination-2024.html

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        DeSantis has the potential to easily beat Sleepy Joe by 3-4% and pull the Senate into a filibuster proof majority of 60 seats in 2024.

        Fatass doesn't and wouldn't. His crazy tirades and lies have turned off moderate voters.

        Other than his cultists I don't see how any Republican could support Fatass if they want full GOP control of DC.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          BTW, turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            Shut up, you splooge soaking Trump Cultist.

            My logic is impeccable and not a single GOP supporter can deny that my strategy for total GOP control of Washington DC is faulty.

            Proof that you Team Red Peanuts are all Trump Cultists.

            (except Sandra)

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              Your logic is so impeccable that you don't even bother to read your own links.

            2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Remember folks, Buttplug is a guy who shills day in and day out for an actual Nazi party member, and yet he's calling you cultists because you think Trump was more libertarian than Biden.

            3. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

              Idiot.

      2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

        They are never trumpers

        1. HorseConch   2 years ago

          I was really rooting for them to latch on to the Cheney bandwagon.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            She would have gotten beat even worse than Trump did. I think the Bushes and the Cheneys have finally come to the realization that there's no place in the GOP for them anymore. They're basically going to morph into Democrat-voting noblesse oblige in the near future.

            1. JoeB   2 years ago

              Right-wing neocon Democrat is totally a niche worth occupying!

      3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Charles Koch. David Koch, the libertarian between the two, is deceased.

      4. CE   2 years ago

        They haven't said they will back DeSantis though. Judging from their daily press releases here on Reason, they are not on board with him either.

        1. JoeB   2 years ago

          They will back a non-Trump candidate until Trump is out, then they will support the Dem candidate.

  8. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    …. certainty that it was nefarious, we will surely hear about it.

    HaHaHaHaHA!

  9. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Another Arizona Hospital to go bankruptcy from the tens of millions spend on care of illegal immigrants. This is a long pattern in Arizona. But we know there is no cost to illegal immigration.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/arizona-hospital-brink-collapse-spending-20-million-migrant-care-nobody-has-solution

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      “If health care was free, this wouldn’t happen”
      /Tony

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        That is correct; because there are trillions and trillions of dollars just sitting in rich people's bank accounts, that must be taken to take care of losers like him. Because he can't manage to find himself a sugar daddy.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Moar Taxes!

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      There was an op-ed article about a similar situation down in the Imperial Valley in California. The Democrat-voting activists are pissed at Newsom because the state won't sink more funding down the medical black hole of a hospital there to provide border-jumpers with free top-level healthcare. The hospital is basically operating at a loss as it is because very few ever pay for the service.

      This is what's known as "end-state marxism."

    4. DeAnnP   2 years ago

      I'm sure the pay raises of the top honchos (including 50% for the CEO) have nothing to do with the money problems.

      https://www.facebook.com/DannyLeeBryant/photos/p.591197699318640/591197699318640/?type=3

      1. BYODB   2 years ago

        It certainly doesn't given how little of overall costs are CEO compensation, but it does retain at least some staff so there are actually people there who can provide care as opposed to an open hospital with no employee's inside it.

  10. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    If it was an errant weather balloon, they would have given a heads up.

    1. BeatriceWhiteman   2 years ago (edited)

      My Companion mother makes 50 bucks an hour on the PC(Personal Computer). She has been out of w0rk for quite some time red however last month her check was 11k bucks only w0rking on the PC(Personal Computer) for 9 hours per day.
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    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the dynamic would be if we sent a weather balloon up over china with a contraption the size of *checks media* three buses and it went off course. Wouldn't we make a phone call or something?

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

        We, yes. CCP, no. They'd rather lie than ever admit making a mistake. That's not to say it isn't a spy satellite. I've no idea at this point.

    3. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

      This errant weather balloon just accidentally drifted over missile ranges and SAC bases. Totally just a matter of probability.

    4. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

      If they did, would the biden admin have told the people? They don't have a great track record for transparency until it becomes a crisis.

  11. JesseAz   2 years ago

    A killer who transitioned from male to female while in prison has demanded guards hold her hand while outside her cell because she identifies as an infant.
    .
    Sophie Eastwood, 36, was named Daniel when she was jailed for life in 2004 after using shoelaces as a garotte to strangle her cellmate.
    .
    Eastwood, who has lived as a woman in Her Majesty’s prisons for the past four years, has been described as “attention-seeking” and “manipulative” by sources inside the jail.
    .
    The murderer has now told chiefs at Polmont prison in Brightons, Scotland, that she identifies as a tot, and should be allowed to wear diapers and have her meals pureed like baby food.
    .
    She has also demanded guards hold her hand when she is escorted to and from her cell.
    .
    Prison bosses are taking Eastwood’s requests seriously and have already supplied her with a dummy.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/benbartee/2023/02/05/trans-inmate-identifies-as-infant-authorities-accommodate-him-with-baby-food-and-diapers-n1668054

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      … already supplied her with a dummy

      Also known as the warden.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Don't blame the insane criminal. Blame the insane politicians.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Yes. There have always been people like this. We used to know how to deal with them.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      "A biological male who identifies as a transgender woman was convicted of raping two women in the United Kingdom before beginning to transition. After the trial, it was reported by multiple outlets that the criminal, Isla Bryson, would be remanded in a women's prison. Now, Bryson will be removed from the women’s prison and sent to a different facility to await his sentencing.

      Scotland’s First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, said that Bryson will be removed from the Cornton Vale women’s prison “soon.” BBC reported that the move would occur on Thursday.

      Bryson’s estranged wife, Shonna Graham, 31, told Daily Mail that Bryson was “bulls***ing” officials to get “an easier life in prison.” Bryson previously went by “Adam Graham.”

      “When I saw the photos of him dressed as a woman with a blonde wig and pink lycra leggings, I fell out of bed laughing,” Shonna Graham told the outlet. “Never once did he say anything to me about feeling he was in the wrong body or anything.”

      “His gender transition is a sham for attention and an easier life in prison,” she added.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        TERF!

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          Seriously, yes.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      "In August, Townhall reported how a male prisoner named Demi Minor in New Jersey who identified as a “transgender woman” impregnated two inmates. In an interview with the New York Post, Minor’s former foster mother, Dr. Wanda Broach-Butts, said that she believes Minor is a “psychopath” and used transgenderism as a “ploy” to get locked up among females.

      “I think all this about him being transgender is a ploy,” she told The Post. “He’s manipulating people to get a better situation for himself and to get attention. He’s learned the language to use. He’s dangerous and he’s a psychopath.”

      Broach-Butts added in the interview that she is worried for the female inmates if Minor is returned to a women’s prison. and Minor’s uncle told the Post that they did not see signs of gender dysphoria throughout Minor’s upbringing.

    5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

      Eastwood, who has lived as a woman in Her Majesty’s prisons for the past four years, has been described as “attention-seeking” and “manipulative” by sources inside the jail.

      That’s surprising, I’ll admit.

      1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

        Not to come off entirely woman-bashing, but it appears eastwood has 2 female traits dialed. Can 'she' make duckfaces on social media posts? that would be a 3rd.

  12. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Disney+ continues to have woke gems. Demands reparations in a kids show.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/disney-cartoon-demands-reparations-and-more-with-slaves-built-this-country-song

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Remember when we thought people who shouted "America, love it or leave it" were extremist nut jobs?

    2. McGuffin   2 years ago

      Can we counter with a "slaves, or some version of slaves, built most countries, that's how the world worked for all of time, you whiney fucking babies, get over it or kill yourselves already" song?

      Or maybe a "hey just a reminder, the African slave trade was started by Africans, and the worst perpetrators were in the middle east and Africa, also white people ended it" song. That's a good historical hit that doesn't get enough air time

  13. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Schools get around CRT bans by hiding it in SEL guidance.

    https://thefederalist.com/2023/02/06/public-schools-are-avoiding-crt-ban-with-trojan-horse-of-social-emotional-learning/

    If you're unfamiliar with SEL, it is a Democrat led initiative that seeks to indoctrinate your kids with Marxism beliefs. It is often the program used to teach kids "correct" political beliefs under the guise of social learning. A system that would make Mao jealous.

    1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      Nothing to see here, just unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats defying the law, the voting public, the taxpayer, and their direct customers so that they can indoctrinate children with religious zealotry. The only culture war is coming from those voters, taxpayers and parents that dare to talk back to their betters.

    2. McGuffin   2 years ago

      Yup. Its a good bet that whatever their buzzword of the day is pushing their ideology.

      Marxism is at the core of their ideology. Its no coincidence that all of the modern leftist buzzwords end up pushing it.

      Intersectionality
      Diversity, Equity, Inclusion
      Critical Race Theory (which of course is not a surprise, as critical theory is based in marxism)
      Social Emotional Learning
      "EQ" rather than "IQ", or "emotional" intelligence
      "Holistic" education

      Its not that people are just trying to find marxism everywhere, its that in the end that is what their worldview and ideology is based on, so every iteration their curriculum ends up pushing it.

      I mean, we arent surprised when Christian missionaries open up a school in a poor country and include god/christianity in how they teach, as its important to them. They are open about it. These leftists' religion is marxism. They cant help but include it in all they do, but the difference is they wont admit it (because it just happens that marxism keeps resulting in sadness, suffering, and death when countries seriously try it)

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

        A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

        Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

        Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

        Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

        Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

        Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

        Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

        Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

        Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Hey, why bother spending billions over decades to reinforce the mandates for public schools staffed by woke leftists educated in co-opted university departments propagandizing Marxist doctrine if we can't brainwash our kids to finally achieve the Peoples' Revolution?

    4. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Get rid of public schools. Problem solved.

    5. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

      SEL and CASEL are both about leftwing social programming.

    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Marxism is, at its core, founded on the concept of an oppressor/oppressed duality and the abolition of property in all forms. Ultimately, they are materialists and simply change the form of the thing they frame their materialism upon, sort of the like how Gozer the Gozerian takes on the form of the Destructor envisioned by those it's about to obliterate.

      In Marx's day, it was "capital" that defined property; after World War II it was racism, and in the late 90s- early 2000s, it became "whiteness" as a form of property to be abolished.

      They haven't actually come up with anything new, it's just different skins on the same old ideological zombie.

    7. Utkonos   2 years ago

      Those who initiated this probably learned the trick from their college days when the (mandatory) English 200 course became just such a Trojan horse for struggle sessions.

  14. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "I'm building a fairer, more competitive economy that works for working families."

    LOL

    No. Your economy has ordinary families paying more for things they have to buy every week, while Reason's silver spoon billionaire sugar daddy Charles Koch keeps getting richer because your party supports his #CheapLaborAboveAll immigration agenda. 🙂

    #OBLsFirstLaw
    #VoteDemocratToHelpCharlesKoch

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      What about free weed and ass sex?

      1. Utkonos   2 years ago

        Just keep the food coming and I can truck with that.

    2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      ordinary families paying more for things they have to buy every week

      US 103rd highest inflation in the world.

      Seriously, anyone who thinks Biden caused worldwide inflation is stupid.

      Thanks to Reason for the article on what DID cause inflation this past weekend:

      COVID Stimulus Spending Played 'Sizable Role' in Inflation
      Fiscal stimulus during the pandemic contributed to an increase in inflation of about 2.6 percentage points.
      ERIC BOEHM | 2.2.2023 11:45 AM

      Not shilling for Biden - just reality.

      1. Ronbback   2 years ago

        We are not the worst so its ok. If your Daddy beats you up half as much as your neighbor beats his kid then its okay for your Daddy to beat you up

        1. Super Scary   2 years ago

          "We are not the worst so its ok"

          I see a similar line of thinking in my city's local reddit page when crime things are posted. A lot of users defend the city by saying "Well, crime is up in these other cities too! It's not just us! We're not a shit hole! Stop posting about all these car jackings and street shootings!" as if that were a valid argument.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Obviously Buttplug hasn't shopped for groceries anytime this year.

      3. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

        "US 103rd highest inflation in the world."

        Doesn't matter. Global context is irrelevant. We have inflation. Everything that happens on a President's watch, the President is responsible for.

        At least that's the standard you established in 2020 when you said a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic and lockdowns were no excuse, and that every single bad economic metric was 100% Trump's fault.

        #CantHaveItBothWays

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          When turd posts numbers, they are either outright lies or cherry-picked to change the meaning. turd lies,

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          #CantHaveItBothWays

          Sure he can. He's a Democrat and Democrats practice repressive tolerance as a keystone of their ideology. The double standard is entirely the point.

      4. Sevo   2 years ago

        Keep in mind that turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      5. Chumby   2 years ago

        Sloppy Pluggo, your nambla chapter is the 103rd most molesty, it doesn’t make it ok.

        1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

          Yikes! Who comes up with those rankings, and on what criteria?

          Never mind, I don’t wanna know.

  15. JesseAz   2 years ago

    The media anonymous story regarding THREE ballots under trump has kept changing through the weekend. The latest claim is nobody in the Trump administration knew, nobody told him, the balloons were never detected, by the Pentagon knew about them and told Biden recently. Reminder, all anonymous sources.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2023/02/05/now-the-administration-claims-chinese-spy-balloons-transiting-the-u-s-were-discovered-after-trump-left-office-n1668149

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Stories often change when bases on lies.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      If true, everyone who knew it was happening and didn’t report the potential threat should be charged with dereliction of duty.

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Three balloons*

      1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

        Serious questions, are there any pictures of any of these balloons out there?

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          That’s classified!

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

          None that I know of. Which is why I’m questioning how they found out after the fact.

          These balloons are often in international waters near test shots from the US military. But the fact they found evidence it crossed US air space after the fact is quite questionable.

          1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

            Being extremely generous to the Biden regime, maybe the first thing they did when this became a news story was scramble to find some way to deflect blame, searched for records of spy balloon tracks, found nothing over US airspace but three that got into the ADIZ, and "discovered" that the balloons flew over US airspace years after the fact by changing the definition of US airspace to include the ADIZ.

            1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

              Suspect you are correct, balloons in the ID zone, but not over the US, being represented as the same thing that just occurred. Because the media lack integrity and objectivity, are not impartial, and do not report unadulterated facts.

          2. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

            Maybe they rescanned satellite footage, JesseAZ. That is possible, but very remote. It sounds like total bullshit = anonymous story.

      2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        Reminded of the German pop band song "99 Luft Baloons:"

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiwgOWo7mDc

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          I was actually surprised they just didn't report it as 99 balloons instead of 3. I mean, if you're going to lie about it, make it a big lie.

          1. CE   2 years ago

            And every one with Captain Kirk.

        2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

          Is it just me, or does Dolly Parton’s “Two Doors Down” have a similar cadence to “99 Red Balloons” at least in certain places?

          Two Doors Down
          https://youtu.be/oodPqrjwNQc

          99 Red Balloons
          https://youtu.be/hiwgOWo7mDc

          One thing’s for sure: Dolly’s and Nena’s balloons can float over and trigger my missile anytime.
          ????

          1. Utkonos   2 years ago

            Let’s not get carried Up Up And Away with these songs…

        3. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

          The German language version flows better. The bass slap is classic and Nena is a hottie too!

      3. Joe Brandon   2 years ago

        obligatory:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsNAfRoqwlE

    4. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      If the last seven years have taught us anything it's that anonymous sources are the most reliable kind, especially when it comes to rumors about Trump.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        It worked on sarc below. Nobody is shocked. Good soldier pushed the initial narrative while ignoring the evolving "facts."

    5. McGuffin   2 years ago

      Imagine sighting anonymous sources, with a straight face, after the last 6 years. Especially is said anonymous sources are pushing a NYT/Wapo narrative. After Russiagate.

    6. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      It is clear that the Trump hating MSM held back on this story at the time because?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Afraid of more mean tweets?

    7. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      No matter how much you think journalists hate you, it's more than that.

  16. JesseAz   2 years ago

    The absurdity: The balloon in question is absolutely massive, with "an undercarriage roughly the size of three buses," as The New York Times put it. This would be an absolutely bonkers way to spy on the United States—especially since the images it picks up are reportedly no better than those it can obtain through satellites. One defense official said, as summarized The Washington Post, that the images a balloon like this could obtain "wouldn't offer much in the way of surveillance that China couldn't collect through spy satellites."

    The absurdity here is ENB thinking the only possible piece of electronic on such a balloon would be a simple camera.

    Weather monitoring devices are also not 3 school busses large.

    But trust the narrative.

    1. Ronbback   2 years ago

      Even if it was a weather ballon why are they so interest in weather over America, so they can know which direction the fallout will go? It also silly to think that satalites are better when it has been shown our own government has been using balloons to spy on Americans even though we also have satalites.. this whole shit show and the last six years prove to me that our govenrnment is not our government for the people anymore

      1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        "...last six years prove to me that our government is not our government for the people anymore."

        It's more than 6 years and the government is openly hostile to the citizenry.

        1. Ronbback   2 years ago

          True but it took some of us longer to let it finally sink in.

      2. CE   2 years ago

        Scouting out second home locations, most likely.

    2. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      JesseAZ, you do know that ENB is naturally blonde, correct? 🙂 = her absurdity comment

    3. Utkonos   2 years ago

      “Weather monitoring devices are also not 3 school busses large.”
      Hey, the “experts” only stated that it “shared characteristics “ with weather balloons. They didn’t specify size (or anything else).

      1. Utkonos   2 years ago

        Also, don’t you love how calm the “China Version” appears? Then comes the US! Version! which! seems! to! merit! extra! snark!!!

  17. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    Trump DENIES China flew spy balloons across US during his administration despite Pentagon claiming Beijing sent THREE

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11715549/Trump-DENIES-Pentagons-claim-three-Chinese-balloons-entered-airspace-watch.html

    Obviously the Pentagon is full of shit, since Trump has never told a lie.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

      Hey dumbass, I literally linked how the story changed and now the sources are saying trump nor his cabinet was ever told.

      Man you look retarded yet again.

      This is a case of "facts", is narratives, changing in real time due to a piss poor version of truth.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      The pentagon is a paragon of truth.
      /sarc.

    3. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      Aren't you the guy that keeps repeating whaddabout like a moron?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

        And screaming ad hominem for people calling out his strawman arguments.

        Jeff and Mike finally openly admitted to TDS yesterday, sarc should take note.

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        I'm just the messenger. Talk to the Daily Mail if you've got a problem with the story.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          How about get new talking points to realize your attempted attack on trump is idiotic at this point.

        2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          You didn’t give it any thought at all.

      3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        Whataboutism is when you try to excuse the actions of your Dear Leader by saying the other guy did it first. I'm not trying to excuse anything. I just think it's funny that it happened on his watch, and that he is of course denying it. That and his followers will no doubt say the Pentagon is involved in a conspiracy to make him look bad.

        It's better than butter on popcorn.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Loser.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

          Thats literally what you did above. Said it happened under trump as a means to excuse Biden.

          Hypocrite, heal thyself.

          The anonymous sources is now even saying they didn't know under Trump.

          How far are you going to dig on this?

        3. damikesc   2 years ago

          "I’m not trying to excuse anything."

          Then why bring it up here? It could not be less relevant.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            Because it's funny.

            It's funny that Trump claims it never happened on his watch, it's funny that it did happen on his watch, it's funny how is followers believe the balloon was worse than the Cuban Missile Crisis, it's funny that they'd excuse it if it happened while Trump was president, and it's funny that they will defend his lies.

            That's all.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Lol. Thats a shit ton of bullshit to rationalize youre whataboutism based on a narrative that already changed.

              1. damikesc   2 years ago

                It heard what it wanted to hear so no need to hear more.

            2. damikesc   2 years ago

              So...whataboutism? Got it.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                Let me try this again.

                The point of whataboutism is that your team’s actions are justified because the other team did it first. It’s a variant of the tu quoque fallacy that is considered to be a logical argument by leftists and Reason commentariat.

                You can’t find anything in my posts that attempts to justify the actions of the love child of Skeletor and Pee Wee Herman who currently occupies the White House. Therefore my comments are not whataboutism.

                Is that clear?

                Oh, fuck. Here I go expecting intellectual honesty again. Never mind. My fault. I’m sorry for overestimating your integrity. I will try to remember to not do it again.

                1. damikesc   2 years ago

                  So, it's not "whataboutism" when you do it.

                  Got it.

                  Could've said a lot fewer words.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                    I’m saying “Ha ha, the same thing happened under Trump, and not only is he lying about it but his followers are going to defend his lies! Ha ha! Typical.”

                    That is distinctly different from y’all saying “So what? They did it first! That means it’s ok when we do it! Shut up! They did it first!”

                    Do I expect you to tell the difference? Nope. But maybe readers with IQs above room temperature might.

                    The reason why I don't expect you to tell the difference is because you honestly believe that tu quoque is a legitimate and logical argument. If they do it first then you point at them and say what you did was ok. And you believe it.

              2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                For it to be "whataboutism", Biden would have had to have mishandled the situation. That is a necessary condition for being able to say, "Well, Trump mishandled it, too."

                But Biden didn't mishandle the situation. So, it would make no sense to say, "Well, Trump mishandled it, too."

            3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Just found out the latest reporting is that there were balloons during the Trump administration but they weren't discovered until after Trump left office.

              Oh, well ... the own of Trump was fun ...

            4. JoeB   2 years ago

              If it did happen under Trump, then the big story is how the Pentagon did not report it to his admin, since they clearly did not. I hope it's true, so the CCP moles in the Pentagon can get cleaned out.

    4. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

      close up of spy balloon before it was shot down

      https://tinyurl.com/3dkjr96y

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Does it have a penis?

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          A tiny one.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Still bigger than yours.

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            So, not as useful as Hunters?

          3. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Please don't talk about tiny penises given your penchant for child porn.

          4. Sevo   2 years ago

            A turd post! A lie!

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        Gross. Need some eye cleanser.

        https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ne4Gs1XTP2Y

        I feel better now.

      3. Sevo   2 years ago

        Don't forget, turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    5. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      The most likely truth is he was on his phone during his the national security briefings where they told him about the balloons, and this is the first time he has heard about any of it.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Man it is amazing watching you idiots not get your updated talking points from your anonymous sources. How are you not embarrassed that the narrative from your side already changed?

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          The lefties here are spreading a heavy doe of the “wishful thinking” fallacy. There are a lot of phallacies that exit Mike’s mouth.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        On the phone?

        Fatass was bouncing around a golf course instead.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Cite?

        2. JoeB   2 years ago

          Obummer has the record for most time spent on the links while president.

      3. Chumby   2 years ago

        Cite?

      4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Just found out the latest reporting is that there were balloons during the Trump administration but they weren’t discovered until after Trump left office.

        Oh, well … the own of Trump was fun …

        (I admit when I am wrong about something.)

    6. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Yesterday, Trump flipped flopped on his opposition to ballot drop boxes.

      Today, he is distancing himself from the COVID-19 vaccines, which he had touted (correctly) as one of the biggest achievements of his administration. He is trying to paint a contrast between himself and pro-vax DeSantis:

      https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-ramps-up-attack-on-rino-globalist-desantis/

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Remember, Fatass used to be a pro-abortion Democrat.

        His only consistent characteristic is running up massive debt whatever he does.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-added shit pile, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          and THATs why y ou've always hated Trump to the point of hysteria, simply due to running up debt. No other reason. Thanks for clarifying.

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        DeSantis is pro-vax? Isn't that blasphemy?

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Oh, shoot. I mistook principles for principals. It's ok for Republicans to be pro-vax, but any Democrat who is pro-vax is a fascist.

          1. damikesc   2 years ago

            Yeah. Saying "You can get a vaccine but you're not required to do so" was plank 1 of Mussolini's party platform.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Take this up with Trump. He's the one whose campaign's new strategy is to paint DeSantis as a vaccine pusher.

              1. damikesc   2 years ago

                I'm taking it up with sarc who is saying it. I could care less what Trump is saying.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  What are the voices in your head telling you that I'm saying this time?

          2. Zeb   2 years ago

            Well, there were a whole lot more Democrats than Republicans who were demanding that everyone get the vax or lose their job and be excluded from polite society.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Less tyrannical is still tyrannical.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Hey, another strawman!

          sarcasmic 4 days ago
          Flag Comment Mute User
          Sure. You probably think you’re tough because you got kicked out of public spaces for coughing in peoples’ faces, and you refused to get vaccinated because it’s a global conspiracy to microchip everyone. Then you get really tough by talking shit online. Sure buddy. Whatever you say.

      3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Facts changed?

      4. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        He really broke y ou guys good didnt he?

      5. JoeB   2 years ago

        DeSantis is hardly "pro-vax". He successfully ran for re-election on a platform of keeping FL free of vax mandates and lockdowns. Are you even awake?

    7. Cronut   2 years ago

      Remember that time the Pentagon lied to the president- who is CinC of the Armed Forces- about the disposition of troops?

      Remember that time the chairman of the Joint Chiefs inserted himself into the nuclear chain of command?

      The pentagon is no more honest than any other government agency.

  18. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1622547652972879878?t=PqJ7ICic60OMrnLNXkvXnA&s=19

    Liberal logic:

    Supporting Trump’s policies = CULT

    Worshiping pharmaceutical companies, slaughtering babies, censoring journalists/scientists, ignoring basic human anatomy/biology, promoting child self-mutilation, normalizing pedophilia, and glorifying satan = NOT CULT

    [Link]

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      Why do you hate The Science, Nards?

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      One man's cult is another man's revealed holy doctrine that he is willing to kill and die for.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        They call it "politics and religion" for a reason.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Throw in some pro sports and we have modern America.

  19. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    Reason openly criticizing Biden? Now we know the DNC wants a different candidate in 2024.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      They are going to flub his meds for the SOU tomorrow. Then 25th him.

      1. Rich   2 years ago

        Watch for problems reading the teleprompter.

        "Pause here and grin. Oh, was I supposed to *say* that?"

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          "Ask Jackie"

      2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        I want to watch just to hear him weave "What, are the deer wearing Kevlar now?" into his speech; should be an outstanding non-sequitur.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Blow their lungs out!

    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      I know it. It's the very first time they've ever been critical of Biden. Last time was the first time too. And next time will also be the first time.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Poor sarc.

    3. CE   2 years ago

      Notice who is responding on the record to Balloon-Gate: the Sec'y of Transportation:

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pete-buttigieg-says-biden-handled-chinese-spy-balloon-appropriately-backlash-republicans

      Time to break out those campaign buttons again. How's that supply chain going these days?

  20. McGuffin   2 years ago

    "The French face "le wokisme,""

    "Diallo is a well-known and polarizing figure in France, a telegenic proponent of identity politics..."

    Hope the french (erm..excuse me, people experiencing Frenchness) take a lesson from us on this one. The move from a color-blind society (MLK ideals) to one obsessed with identity politics is absolutely regressive, damaging, and openly racist. This never ends well. This is exactly what has happened in America in the last couple decades and it serves no other purpose than to divide people in service of granting power to race grifters, who just divide more and make race relations worse.

    Look at America, look at the UK. 2 perfect examples of obsession with race over color blindness. Of note, it never does anything to improve lives of the so-called oppressed. It just gives power to those that say "They Care (TM)" about race relations, while they shove a massive wedge between people

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Skin color is the most important thing

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Actually, Marxism is the most important thing. Skin color is just the latest attempt to get there.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Yeah, once you realize that trying to get to the marxist utopia is the end goal of any left-wing movement since the turn of the 20th century, their methodologies make a lot more sense. Like I posted above, they're all built on the same framework, it's just different skins depending on the conditions of the time period. But it's always about working in the service of marxism--elimination of property and flipping the oppressed/oppressor duality in their favor (dictatorship of the proletariat/repressive tolerance/department of anti-racism/etc.).

  21. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

    Why would China act with such belligerence while simultaneously trying to sooth relations through the Blinken visit?

    Do you really not understand how these things work?

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      China to America, 'you want a ballon?'
      https://i.imgflip.com/18qory.jpg

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      You mean the Chinese were lying?

      1. Utkonos   2 years ago

        Communists don’t lie—especially those in power.

  22. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    All told, between higher prices and lower wages, lack of competition between businesses costs the median American household $5,000 a year.

    Wait, Biden is admitting his policies are hurting people? Own goal?

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      The fucking guy is nuts.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      He is blaming greedy corporations. It will be the focus of his speech.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        What has capitalism ever done for you?

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Raised billions of people out of poverty.

          1. McGuffin   2 years ago

            But what about the free bread the commies gave out? People loved it! In fact they would stand in line for days to get some they loved it so much!

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              Socialists will not like the lack of gluten-free bread lines if they get their way.

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            But that made Gaia sad.

            1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

              Jesse won't be happy until he can choose from 30 different deodorants.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                Gas stations only carry 1 or 2.

                1. Chumby   2 years ago

                  They always have knockoff Aqua Velva and that should be enough.

                  HO2 Velva

  23. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

    All told, between higher prices and lower wages, lack of competition between businesses both caused by my administration costs the median American household $5,000 a year.

    I'm building a fairer, more competitive economy that works for working families squandering more of your money and taking more of your freedom to increase the size of the bureaucracy and pay off favored constituencies.

    FTFY

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Also bread lines.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        "You know, it's funny, sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is because people are lining up for food," Sanders said. "That's a good thing. In other countries people don't line up for food. The rich get the food, and the poor starve to death."

        1. Utkonos   2 years ago

          And those regimes under which people line up for food? None of those has ever caused—let alone deliberately engineered—a famine. Not anywhere. Not ever.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Although in the WEF future, the bread lines won't be bread lines. They'll be lines for bug loaf. You'll own nothing and be happy!

  24. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Oddly, this strikes me as ironic.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/06/ilhan-omars-empire-of-censorship/

    It is now Islamophobic to talk about anti-Semitism. Dare to comment on anti-Jewish racism and you risk being called a racist yourself. Witness the media meltdown that followed Republicans’ ousting of Democrat congresswoman and Squad kween, Ilhan Omar, from the House Foreign Affairs Committee. It is not really Omar’s past dabbling in anti-Semitic tropes that Republicans are concerned about, the woke set say. No, the real reason they booted her out is because they hate Muslims. As Omar herself said, they just don’t want Muslims to ‘have a voice on that committee’. These people are ‘okay with Islamophobia’, she said.

    1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      That settles it, Muslim beats Jew on the victimhood scorecard.

      1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

        Yeah but Jew beats Muslim in war.

    2. McGuffin   2 years ago

      they hate black people and especially women of color, as noted by their simultaneous booting of 2 white guys

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      How can anybody suspect a religion that shouts "Peace!" while blowing people up?

      Hmm, you know who else did that?

      1. mpercy   2 years ago

        Islam is a religion of peace. And Brutus is an honorable man.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          Brutus The Barber Beefcake

    4. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      These people are ‘okay with Islamophobia’, she said.

      So far they've kept their Incestophobia in check.

  25. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

    "To believe this was meant as a secret spycraft, you'd have to believe the Chinese authorities are just absolute morons"

    Or maybe they just think Americans are absolute morons? If the new reports that we missed other balloons during the Trump administration turn out to be true then who are the morons?

  26. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Wokeist censorship in literature.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/06/sensitivity-readers-are-a-menace-to-literature/

    Poor Anthony Horowitz. Last year, we learned that his publishers had delayed the hard-copy release of his book, Where Seagulls Dare, and had asked him to rewrite whole sections of it, fearing that some readers might be offended by his jokes. Now he has revealed he was asked to take out the word ‘scalpel’ from his 2017 murder-mystery book, The Twist of a Knife, because Native American readers might have taken offence to it.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      …. word ‘scalpel…

      Because that word has nothing to do with Native Americans?

      1. Utkonos   2 years ago

        Scalpel? Native Americans? I don’t get it. But hey, what do I know? I mean, look at me—I make my living buying up concert tickets and reselling them at jacked up prices outside the venues….

  27. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Just to piss off Shackford.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/06/its-time-to-stop-saying-her-penis/

    The strange phrase ‘her penis’ keeps cropping up in the papers these days, usually in reports about the sex crimes of trans-identified offenders.

    1. McGuffin   2 years ago

      I dont prefer to be purposefully rude to anyone, and I feel bad for people who have these mental health problems

      But the problem doesn't go away by pretending this stuff is normal. A schizophrenic doesn't get better by telling them that the voices are real.

      So we have to stop going along with it, as its become too much of a problem. Stop 'being nice' and calling the obvious man 'she'. Stop pretending they aren't a guy that has mental health problems. 'Nice' well intentioned people are 100% fueling this problem. It doesnt go away until they start acting like adults.

      This blackmail of 'you have to go along with my delusion or ill get sad and maybe kill myself' is nothing but emotional blackmail and crybullying to push their ideology.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        And why do YOU hate science?

      2. rbike   2 years ago

        A true libertarian would respond with. " Go ahead, make my day"

      3. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

        I have yet to see the evidence that these people are well intentioned. Given the choice of to do something of zero benefit but causing great harm they invariably choose not just to do that but to do so in a way to ensure as near maximum harm as they can. Their rationalizations sound nice in a vacuum but that only exists between their ears.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      150 years from now, our great-great grandkids will learn about the 2010s-2020s as a time when American society went functionally insane and started to treat mental pathologies as something to not only be encouraged, but providing the people possessing these pathologies with tremendous political and cultural power, simply because no one wanted to deal with the fact that treating a man wearing a dress as a fetish and a LARP (if it was real, it wouldn't be called an identity, after all) was actually the proper thing to do.

      The response to, "well, it doesn't affect you, so why should you care?" needs to be "my disgust at your mental condition shouldn't affect you, either."

      1. JimboJr   2 years ago

        gender affirmation therapy will be looked back on like lobotomies and viewed as child abuse

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Yeah, it's really just the latest example in a very long line of medical quackery that goes back to shamans punching a hole in a person's skull to let the evil spirit escape who was causing their headache.

  28. Chumby   2 years ago

    China’s next military balloon coloring will be a rainbow, making it a hate crime to shoot it down.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      What about black balloons?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        With a lady dick?

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          With an inflated sense of importance!

        2. THX1138   2 years ago (edited)

          ...

  29. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Rock the Casbah!

    Turkey and Syria: more than 2,000 people confirmed dead after two large earthquakes strike – latest updates
    Numbers of dead expected to keep rising rapidly amid desperate search and rescue operations on the ground following two quakes on Monday
    Full report: 7.8 magnitude quake strikes Turkey

    Guardian.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Buttplug thinks tragedy is funny.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Allah has a sense of humor.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd lies constantly.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      But how was this Trump's fault?

    3. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      WTF, Buttplug. What is humorous about thousands of people dying in an earthquake.

  30. Rich   2 years ago

    "The Chinese would have known that sending a clearly observable balloon into the US heartland would be a provocative action, and they are unlikely to have done so on purpose," says Ars Technica.

    Emphasis added. "Hey, let's see what the Americas do with a clearly observable balloon sent into the US heartland. Might be useful info for future operations."

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      More likely they are demonstrating their complete ownership of Biden.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        How did they own Biden? Biden ordered the balloon shot down, which is what one would expect to be done with a Chinese balloon in US airspace.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Only after it had drifted over the entire country, west to east.

        2. NOYB2   2 years ago (edited)

          Biden ordered the balloon shot down after it had crossed the entire US and was over the ocean. At that point, the Chinese had already gathered all the data they wanted to gather, and they had proven once again that Biden was an indecisive, incompetent fool.

          As a bonus, Biden destroyed the evidence, and on top of that, they don’t have to put up with Blinken, although they were probably looking forward to humiliating him again too.

          China couldn't have wished for a better outcome.

    2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      The military better recover that satellite and find out what sensors they had.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Shooting it down over the ocean made it so much easier to do that.

    3. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      The Chinese would have known that sending a clearly observable balloon into the US heartland would be a provocative action

      On the contrary, the military acted like it wasn't even there until civilians on the ground started taking pictures of it and sharing it online.

    4. Number 2   2 years ago

      If they did not do so on purpose, why did the Chinese not give us advance notice of their errant “weather balloon.?”

      And would it not be possible to track the wind patterns prevailing at the time and plot them against the course the balloon followed to see if they are similar or different?

      1. MasterThief   2 years ago

        Now that just makes too much sense. An honest government would report those details and an honest journalist would ask.

  31. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1622609843319087104?t=sw-Aj9tZQ7JlH-5ZFeG59w&s=19

    Any male 18-60 (and rumored to be as young as 16) is being forced to serve in the war effort in Ukraine.

    Many sent directly to the front with no training, where the average lifespan is mere hours.

    A humanitarian catastrophe in every way, shape and form.

    Peace must prevail.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      If they only had tanks. Or A-bombs.

      1. NOYB2   2 years ago

        They would hurt Russia more. The outcome would still be the same.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      The demons in our senate and house have a lot to answer for .

      1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

        Accountability for their actions? That isn't how things work for those fucktards.

  32. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    This should be something a libertarian publication should discuss.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/05/the-lethal-cost-of-lockdowns/

    In July 2020, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, asked to be judged in a year, not on the pandemic’s first few weeks. It has taken longer, but Tegnell has now been vindicated. Meanwhile, our own leaders abandoned long-prepared pandemic plans and adopted untried lockdowns, believing the fantasy that they would save lives. They will not be remembered so well. Their legacy is writ large in economic ruin and excess deaths.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      But only after facts change and the evidence is insurmountable. Then it will be who could have known? Anyone prior was just a conspiracy theorist.

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

        Old news. Move on, already. /CNN, et al

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      They will not be remembered so well. Their legacy is writ large in economic ruin and excess deaths.

      I wish that were true, but the gaslighting and memory-holing has already begun. The perpetrators will, as always, avoid any sort of accountability, or even lesson, for their actions and all the COVIDians, who were once eager to see you and your family starve to death and be denied essential medical care for declining an experimental vaccine, will quietly resume their normal life (other than now wearing a mask every time they leave the house) and act like none of it ever happened.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        SleepyJoe gonna end the emergency in May.
        Probably.

        1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

          Except for the 'I can rule by decree' part - - - - - -

          1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

            The three month lead allows time to manufacture a new crisis.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Hint: They didnt do it to save lives.

      They were stretching their muscles.

  33. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    This might irritate the twits here, but when does that stop me?

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/05/dr-john-money-and-the-sinister-origins-of-gender-ideology/

    It would be impossible for Money to test his theory on ‘normal’ infants. What mother would allow her healthy baby to be ‘streamed’ into the opposite gender, undergo countless surgeries and intensive therapy sessions, all for something that might not even work? But then, as a 1997 Rolling Stone essay recounts, David Reimer fell into his hands.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      Just troll a Manhattan cocktail party, or college faculty office; you'd be sure to find several who yearn to prove their wokeness, or out woke the competition.

    2. Illocust   2 years ago

      Jesus, this doctor was sick in the head. Who asks eight year olds to do mock sex with their twins?

      1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

        I believe that is the current trend of "inclusion" among leftist activists.

    3. NOYB2   2 years ago

      What mother would allow her healthy baby to be ‘streamed’ into the opposite gender, undergo countless surgeries and intensive therapy sessions, all for something that might not even work?

      What mother? The kind of mother that is a Democratic politician or a Silicon Valley executive!

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      These quacks were also influenced by the Hirschfeld Institute in Weimar Germany as well.

    5. Utkonos   2 years ago

      Just this once….can we agree to lose Money?

  34. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

    Well if it doesn't make sense to Liz, then it doesn't make sense to anyone.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      OK, please explain how it makes sense to send a big-ass, highly-visible balloon into US airspace?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Probably as a test to see what we would do. As far as I'm concerned, we failed this test.

      2. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

        Okay, if it doesn’t make sense to Liz, then it doesn’t make sense to Mike Laursen either.

        1. Testing our response time and capabilities.

        2. Xi distracting from problems at home.

        3. Creating false grievances with the USA that can be used as later bargaining chips.

        4. Saber-Rattling is an old tactic.

        5. ???

        6. Profit

        I think the most beneficial thing to come out of this is the complete befuddlement of the Left and their water-carriers. There has been no cogent response from all the usual lackeys and boot-lickers. "Duuuuurrrr, what does it mean Boss?"

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          So, a bunch of conjectures, not one of which entails the balloon really being used for actual spying, which is precisely what ENB was calling into question.

          1. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

            Oh please, like I or anyone else is going to have actual data as to why China sent these over. All we have is guesses, educated or otherwise.

            If you are truly looking for more than that, well, good fucking luck. Maybe find a different hobby?

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Not one thing on your list was actual spying.

              1. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

                So add it.

                The question was "what makes sense?"

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  Whoosh!

                  1. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

                    JFC.

                  2. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago (edited)

                    As to #2 on my list, do you think Joe will mention Hunter’s Laptop or the MiC Balloon in his SotU.

                    It’s not only Xi, Joey and his drug-addled scion need a distraction too.

          2. Utkonos   2 years ago

            Conjecture is all that is possible at this point. Mind you, there are varying grades of conjecture.

  35. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Montana and the Chinese balloon.

    https://www.thefp.com/p/the-chinese-spy-balloon-over-my-house

    Once eagle-eyed Montanans had seen the balloon and Americans came to discover that the country’s military elite was allowing a giant bag of gas hooked to a payload of surveillance gear to bob along unmolested above our nukes and, as it just happened, my house, a minor national panic followed.

  36. Nobartium   2 years ago

    Well golly gee, why would a country that we've liberalized by trade since 1972 send balloons only 3 years after we evicted the guy saying mean things about them in favor of Biden?

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      You do know that they sent similar balloons during the Trump administration, and Trump did nothing.

      1. rbike   2 years ago

        Cite? With pictures please.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        You mean this hoax, Mike?

        https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1622350694836731904

        Ironically, a Biden official just said the balloons allegedly flown during Trump's administration were found out about after he left office.

        Another debunked hoax from the left.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/biden-official-chinese-spy-balloons-flown-during-trump-admin-were-discovered-after-he-left-office/

          “Former ODNI John Ratcliffe just denied Biden admin claims Chinese sent 3 balloons into US on Trump’s watch: “I can refute it. It didn’t happen.” He said this was first time and “the damage is incalculable.” He also suggested Biden & his nat’l security team “compromised”” investigative journalist Paul Sperry said on Twitter.

      3. rbike   2 years ago

        Or is Mike a Chinese asset here to show communist ideology? More likely I think.

      4. Minadin   2 years ago

        I know that there was one this past summer (2022) that wasn't reported on, because I saw it.

      5. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Just found out the latest reporting is that there were balloons during the Trump administration but they weren’t discovered until after Trump left office.

        Oh, well … the own of Trump was fun …

        (I admit when I am wrong about something.)

  37. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Joe may be in a sticky situation.

    https://nypost.com/2023/02/05/house-oversight-chair-james-comer-is-building-a-killer-case-against-joe-biden/

    “This is not about Hunter Biden,” Comer said last week in a broad-ranging interview with The Post. “It’s about Joe Biden.” He aims to “prove Joe benefited financially and prove he made decisions against the best interests of the United States.”

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Sure, but please don't use "sticky" and "Hunter Biden" in the same paragraph.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Does anyone doubt this at this point?

  38. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    More Biden lies.

    https://nypost.com/2023/02/05/six-lies-biden-will-tell-in-his-state-of-the-union/

    Here are six fibs you’re very likely to hear the president recite Tuesday night. They should be tagged with the label of the left’s favorite word this year: “disinformation.”

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      10 bucks says it’s more than six.

    2. Super Scary   2 years ago

      Ah yes, fibs. Like how Biden spins yarn. Or tells tell tales. He's not a liar, no sir. He's too folksy for that, apparently.

  39. Chumby   2 years ago

    Major earthquake in Turkey and Syria. Putin has sent humanitarian aid.

  40. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Joe and hypocrisy.

    https://nypost.com/2023/02/05/bidens-utter-no-negotiations-debt-limit-hypocrisy/

    Heck, during his decades in the Senate, Biden proudly voted against raising the limit nine times — with explanations like “I refuse to be associated with the policies that brought us to this point” (March 2006).

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      Obama said much the same, too:

      "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

      "Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

      "I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.

      1. Ronbback   2 years ago

        Obama got around the debt limit by never having a budget.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          Ironic thing is that Obama actually cut spending with his Budget Control Act of 2011 (a real budget and not a CR) - after accurately pledging to halve the $1.3 trillion deficit the Bushpigs left him.

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Ahem, who put that together, Turd? Oh, that's right, the Republican House did.

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

              Bullshit.

              Boehner was sick of the "crazies" in the GOP House and worked with Obama secretly to get it done. Dems joined with moderate Repubs to pass it.

              But the "crazies" have now taken over the House.

              1. Sevo   2 years ago

                turd is an inveterate liar. If turd posts it, it's a lie.

              2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Pluggo, you're a lying sack of manure.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_Control_Act_of_2011

                The House passed the Budget Control Act[1] on August 1, 2011, by a vote of 269–161. 174 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted for it, while 66 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted against it.[14]

                1. Sevo   2 years ago

                  Imagine that! turd caught lying again!

              3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                Boehner was sick of the “crazies” in the GOP House and worked with Obama secretly to get it done. Dems joined with moderate Repubs to pass it.

                LOL, no. The "crazies" were the ones pushing for spending cuts, which was the whole reason they were elected in 2010 to begin with. Boehner tried to get a deal done with Reid, but Reid refused to sign anything that wasn't 100% what he wanted. Boehner ended up asking to work with Biden because he couldn't talk to Reid at all. Biden and Boehner were the ones who hammered out the sequestration deal, and Biden told Reid to sign off on it like a good boy.

                1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                  Biden later helped but it was the Grand Bargain of Obama that got things started.

                  https://thehill.com/policy/finance/268857-showdown-scars-how-the-4-trillion-grand-bargain-collapsed/

                  bottom line=

                  The country’s deficit is now at 2.5 percent of the gross domestic product, just under the Simpson-Bowles goal of 3 percent and down from 9.8 percent at the start of Obama’s presidency.

                  Biden or Obama? Who cares? They cut about 75% of the deficit in % GDP terms.

                  Obama was the only fiscally responsible POTUS this century.

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                    LOL, thanks for conceding the point.

              4. Super Scary   2 years ago

                "Boehner was sick of the “crazies” in the GOP House and worked with Obama secretly to get it done."
                No one cares about your fan fictions.

          3. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

            Also a significant accounting happenstance. The bailouts passed under Bush for the auto and banking industries plus Fannie & Freddie all ran the spending way up, and rightly were marked as deficit spending. But a few months later when many of the banks and automakers paid back their loans (loans which many banks did not even want to take, but were forced to), those counted as revenue.

            The Treasury disbursed $440 billion of TARP funds in total and, by 2018, it had put $442.6 billion back. That's an $800B+ accounting swing, and one that was planned in the TARP spending authorization. It's not like Obama went out a squeezed $400B out of the banks to recover what Bush "spent".

            And then Obama decides to double down on the TARP-like spending with another $787B stimulus package that was supposed to be a one-time deal but which baked that level of spending into future budgets.

          4. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

            https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/obamas-fiscal-legacy-comprehensive-overview-spending-taxes-and-deficits-10669.html

            Upon taking office in January 2009, President Obama inherited a budget deficit that had soared from $161 billion in 2007 to a recession-slammed $1.186 trillion estimate for 2009. The January 2009 CBO baseline budget projection for 2009–19—which already incorporated the effects of the year-old recession in its projections—estimated that a strong economic recovery and the expiration of certain tax cuts would return the annual budget deficit to approximately $260 billion by 2012. In other words, the projections assumed that the high recessionary deficits would quickly fall back to earlier levels. Overall, CBO estimated that there would be $4.32 trillion in total budget deficits over the decade.

            That is not what happened. Figure 1 shows that, as Obama left office, the 2009–19 budget deficits were now estimated to total $8.93 trillion—more than double the initial projections. Annual budget deficits remained above $1 trillion through 2012, fell to $438 billion by 2015, and have since begun rising once again. While current deficits of 3% of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) are not historically atypical, they are significantly higher than the default baseline when Obama took office.

            These deficits also exceeded the president’s own targets. A month after his inauguration, Obama pledged to “cut the deficit we inherited by half by the end of my first term in office.”[4] Instead, the inherited $1.186 trillion was pushed up to $1.413 trillion by 2009 stimulus legislation, and then remained over $1 trillion throughout the president’s first term (Figure 2).

            Had the president and Congress simply stuck to CBO’s original budget baseline legislatively (even allowing for budget effects of the weak recovery), the deficit would have fallen well below $300 billion by 2013 and approached balance by 2018. Instead, expensive new policies slowed the deficit reduction, leading to $8.93 trillion in red ink rather than $4.32 trillion—which is $4.6 trillion in additional deficits. Readers can determine which new costs were justified, and which were not.

            The main source of lower spending: $2.3 trillion less in interest payments on the national debt, thanks to lower interest rates. These lower interest rates were a direct result of the weak economy and the Federal Reserve’s policy of keeping its target interest rates near zero, to spark growth. Consider that between 1996 and 2016, the national debt quadrupled, from $5 trillion to $20 trillion, yet interest payments were lower in 2016 than in 1996.[7] Had the original 2009 CBO interest-rate assumptions held, the federal government would be paying a $620 billion interest tab in 2017, rather than $270 billion.

            That is the good news. The bad news is that when interest rates paid by Washington return to a historically normal range of 5%–7% (or even higher, because of the soaring national debt), federal spending will explode by hundreds of billions—or even trillions—of dollars.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      But that's whataboutism!

    3. CE   2 years ago

      In 2008 the national debt was 9.75 trillion.
      No it's 31.5 trillion.

  41. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

    Guarantee: if a US "weather balloon" drifted over any part of China, it would be shot down as soon as the planes could get off the ground.

    Despite what has been said about imagery from satellites vs balloons (not sure I believe that satellites produce as-good-or-better imagery), satellites cannot effectively measure or intercept a lot of EM/RF signals (where loss is an R^2) effect but that balloon could.

    I work in this industry, and sending an "innocuous" "weather balloon" through the NORAD airspace would be high up on the list of ways I would use to try to gather radar signals intelligence. A simple small thermite charge in certain pieces of equipment triggered at say 10kft altitude would provide mission deniability. Plus, you'd get the whole benefit of being about to complain about your "civilian weather experiments" being shot down by the warmongering US and play that card for all it's worth.

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      Blinken and Milley needed to make sure President Xi was able to extract all the information he needed first

      1. Ronbback   2 years ago

        and shoot it down over the ocean so that there would be no chance of finding anything to analize to see what it was doing. instead of just poking a whole in the balloon to let is slowly fall to earth with little to no damage. yes that could have been done

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          There are divers retrieving the balloon from the shallow water it was shot down in.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        As specified in Hunter's contract with the CCP.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      We had to look through the couch cushions for bullets to shoot it down after sending them all to Ukraine.

    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      "I work in this industry, and sending an “innocuous” 'weather balloon' through the NORAD airspace would be high up on the list of ways I would use to try to gather radar signals intelligence."

      Would you send a huge, easily-seen balloon? Why would you make that choice?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Maybe you might ask someone who works in that industry instead of being ignorant, Dee.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Sure. Even a huge balloon can have a very low radar cross section, and even virtually zero depending on the material used to make it. The payload for signals intelligence can be made quite small (often coming in a roll-on/roll-off package), and inexpensive (for a nation-state) so that it can be destroyed with on-board munitions if/when needed to obfuscate the purpose of the equipment. Furthermore, by moving with the wind, NORAD radars would tend to ignore the low-speed returns as moving target indicator algorithms tend to skew toward ignoring returns that are too-slow and especially with velocities equal to wind-speed, and so this balloon would tend to not spike any radars scanning for ICBMs and the like.

        As for being visible, it leverages the "hiding in plain sight" mechanism. It looks like weather balloon, so people seeing it will either report it as a UFO or as a weather balloon. In the event that it does cause some consternation in the spied-upon nation, the aforementioned munitions will provide a level of cover "The missile they used to shoot down our much-maligned scientific experiment destroyed all the equipment beyond recognition. How dare they claim it was spy equipment!"

        And finally, the trajectory the balloon traveled went directly over or very close to a number of US anti-ICBM radars and important military sites. COBRA DANE is on Shemya, Aleutian Islands, Alaska. JBER, Alaska has a number of domestic and foreign threat radars and training operations. AN/FPS-120 PAVE PAWS is in Clear, Alaska. AN/FPQ-16 PARCS is in North Dakota. AN/FPS-85 is at Eglin AFB, Florida. All of these systems had had modernization programs updating them over the last 20-30 years from their cold war configurations, and getting signals-intelligence from them could be important to China.

        OTOH, the damn thing could very well have been nothing more than a weather balloon that China lost and was too proud to admit the error. Perhaps they saw the opportunity to let it float just to see what Biden might do.

        But Ill repeat what I said before. If the US lost a "weather balloon" that floated over China, it would be destroyed as soon as the planes could launch. Indeed, China would probably assume we had sent a spy drone and do everything they possibly could to preserve the payload rather than just blast it. But it would be coming down one way or another, and lickety split.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Keep in mind that the Pentagon admitted to tracking this thing the minute it entered US airspace in Alaska, all the way through Canada and into Montana. The only reason it got any pub was because some eagle-eyed resident in Billings saw the balloon and started making phone calls.

  42. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Speaking from a geologic perspective (as that is my educational background), this tragically shows the perils of building unreinforced masonry and concrete structures.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/widespread-devastation-powerful-quakes-hit-turkey-thousands-dead-usgs-warns-death-toll

    A 7.5-magnitude earthquake followed by a powerful 7.8 tremor in Turkey has caused 1,900 deaths so far across southeast Turkey and Syria. About 1,121 deaths were reported in Turkey, while 783 died in Syria.

    More than 2,830 buildings have been destroyed, Turkey's Disaster and Emergency Management Authority said.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Why do you deny the scientific consensus that will somehow blame earthquakes on fossil fuels and gender oppression?

      1. Number 2   2 years ago

        Earthquakes clearly are a tool white supremacy.

      2. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

        I'm waiting for the stories tying the quake to climate change, and claiming women & minorities are more seriously impacted than men.

  43. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    I have it on good authority, from a close friend, that all weather balloons use encrypted communications.

    To compare reporting to statistics, there are lies, stupid lies, and Reason articles.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      What did you find dishonest or stupid about ENB's take on the balloon? No hand waving please. Go into detail.

      1. Cronut   2 years ago

        The stupid AND dishonest part is ignoring that China has engaged in multiple belligerent provocations against various nations. It just flew a bunch of jets over Taiwan in December. That's a deliberate show of force and a provocation. Why WOULDN'T they fly a balloon over the US?

        China is also known to be less than honest, especially when they fuck up. We just had a whole pandemic that came out of China and for which they STILL refuse to release research data.

        Don't trust China. China is asshoe.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          So you didn’t merely disagree with ENB when she wrote, “Why would China act with such belligerence while simultaneously trying to sooth relations through the Blinken visit?” You judged that she is being simultaneously stupid _and_ dishonest.

      2. Chumby   2 years ago

        2) I’m a libertarian (tm) and ENB <3 me.

  44. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Election security at the NC Supreme Court.

    https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/02/north-carolina-supreme-court-orders-rehearings-of-redistricting-and-voter-id-case/

    The North Carolina Supreme Court Friday granted a petition for rehearing for two settled cases. This decision comes after the election of new justices in 2022, which gave the court a 5-2 Republican majority.

  45. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    EU shoots self in foot.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/europe-bans-russian-diesel-imports-other-refined-oil-products

    The European Union's ban on Russian diesel imports and other refined petroleum products went into effect on Sunday, the latest attempt by the 27-nation bloc to defund Russian President Vladimir Putin's war machine.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      This time for sure we will turn the ruble into rubble!

  46. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    The Dems might just have to give FTX back a lot of money.

    https://nypost.com/2023/02/06/ftx-seeking-return-of-sam-bankman-frieds-political-donations/

    FTX wants that money back by Feb. 28, warning recipients that making a donation to a third-party charity “does not prevent the FTX Debtors from seeking recovery from the recipient or any subsequent transferee.”

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Indian givers.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Leave Elizabeth Warren out of this!

      2. Utkonos   2 years ago

        “Indian givers.”
        How DARE you?! TAKE THAT BACK NOW!!!!

    2. Illocust   2 years ago

      Good to hear that trying to pass the funds into this parties once you are aware they are tainted isn't acceptable.

  47. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    One defense official said, as summarized The Washington Post, that the images a balloon like this could obtain "wouldn't offer much in the way of surveillance that China couldn't collect through spy satellites."

    My experts said that the balloon offered a unique way to spy because of the relatively slow speed of the balloon compared to spy satellites therefore allowing it to "linger" over a target.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      The goal may not be photographs. It may be a test to see how NORAD works and what gets noticed, and what may fly under the radar.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Yeah, exactly... a trial balloon.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          It follows from what the Japanese had tried during WWII with the fu-go bombs.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb

          A number of these devices actually did work, but failed to start any serious forest fires. The Japanese also had an idea to use the same delivery method for germ warfare. Fortunately, that never came to fruition.

      2. JFree   2 years ago (edited)

        That’s exactly the purpose. Though I doubt they are trying to recon NORAD. I’m sure they know that NORAD can knock down a balloon. They were imo trying to gauge both our public and private – our military and civil reactions to a known non-threat ‘violation’.

        Creating their standard for this supposed rules-based order. China - unlike Russia - is very much into a rules-based order. They just don't like the US one or the double standards we employ. So that the next time we violate ‘their’ airspace, they can play the public propaganda/outrage game better than just the wolf warrior diplomacy that has kind of backfired against the Chinese and has probably run its course.
        I think we did well actually.

  48. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    I am convinced that it would be a terrible, perhaps even insurmountable, loss to abandon the universalist, color-blind French ideal to the fractured landscape of American tribal identity.

    And yet I also felt that something fundamentally unfair had just transpired. France, like America, is constantly evolving. Any attempt to make sense of it will have to take Diallo's arguments seriously. She had tried to share an understanding of French life—one in which growing segments of the French population feel excluded and censured—that her interlocutors could not or would not accept, but that their behavior seemed to confirm.

    Right, it did exactly what it was designed to do. Convince you that something is wrong.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      How do you say "gaslight" in French?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        "lampe à gaz"

  49. Sevo   2 years ago

    "President Joe Biden will give his 2023 State of the Union address on Tuesday night."

    Pretty sure I'll have company in being otherwise engaged.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      He is boring.

      Will you be playing with your Trumpy Bear?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Nowhere near as much you'll be looking at CP.

      2. Chumby   2 years ago

        Sloppy Pluggo, will you be playing with your My Buddy doll?

      3. Sevo   2 years ago

        Remember turd is a TDS addled liar

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          https://gettrumpybear.com/

          It is definitely NOT a cult, people!

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            BTW, it bears remembering that turd lies; it's what turd does.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      I havent listened to a state of the union speech in over 20 years. Why woould anyone tune in to such a meaningless spectacle?

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Also recommended: reckless boating with your latest gun purchases aboard.

    4. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      The State of the Union is a godawful, meaningless, opportunity for the Chief Executive to verbally masturbate before a national audience under a normal president. With this stale old fart it can only reach ridiculous heights of fableism and sanctimony.

  50. (Impeach Biden) Weigel's Cock Ring   2 years ago

    "[Sleepy Joe] Biden]’s been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”
    -Former Secretary of Defense obert Gates

    "Never underestimate [Sleepy] Joe's ability to fuck things up."
    -Former President arack Obama

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      What's up Mikey?

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        Don't forget that turd lies.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          That’s not the quality Sloppy Pluggo has.

  51. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Family of 3 found dead in apparent suicide pact were 'hell-bent' on Trump winning, thought it could be 'the end' if he lost: reports

    https://www.businessinsider.com/family-found-dead-suicide-pact-were-hell-bent-trump-winning-2023-2

    THEY AIN'T NO SUCH THANG AS A TRUMP CULT !!!!!

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      The lead detective, Fink, also said that documents left behind at the family's home showed that Morgan had told her mother that she was having "auditory hallucinations" that weren't improving, per York Dispatch.

      Not a cult, but instead a disturbed person who may have committed a tragic murder-suicide.

      The police department added that it believes that Deborah Daub killed her husband, and was then killed by their daughter, who died by suicide, adding that there is no evidence that anybody else was involved, according to NBC News.

      The lead detective in the case, Timothy Fink, told local media outlet York Dispatch that the department reached this conclusion from handwritten notes left behind by the family members, but added: "We may never know with certainty exactly who fired each shot."

      You really do need to learn to fully read your links there, Turd.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        My goodness - turd caught lying?!!

        1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

          Fuckwit's citations showing the opposite of what he claims? That never happens...

  52. Sevo   2 years ago

    "In the wake of losing an antitrust lawsuit against Facebook, the Federal Trade Commission "is preparing a potential antitrust lawsuit against Amazon…that in the coming months could challenge an array of the tech giant's business practices as anticompetitive," reports The Wall Street Journal."

    Keep throwing stuff at a wall, maybe something will stick.

  53. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    "The Chinese would have known that sending a clearly observable balloon into the US heartland would be a provocative action, and they are unlikely to have done so on purpose," says Ars Technica.

    Quoting Ars Technica on the matter? Seriously?

  54. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Department of occupational licensing run amok:

    End all state-enforced occupational licensing or every job not just eyelash cosmetologists.

  55. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>This would be an absolutely bonkers way to spy on the United States

    is not even spying if you knew the knucklehead in charge would let you conduct your business

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    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Defective bot?
      typos?
      9 hours per DAY? what happened to weeks?
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  57. Dillinger   2 years ago

    I mean ffs we destroyed it for them instead of capturing it how much more absolute bonkers does it need to be?

  58. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

    This would be an absolutely bonkers way to spy on the United States—especially since the images it picks up are reportedly no better than those it can obtain through satellites.

    Say it with me - Signals Intelligence.

    1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

      ENB is definitely showing her ignorance and ideological bias w/ today's stupidity. A carriage that large would allow for optical equipment providing better resolution imagery than from space -her 'reportedly' can fuck right off. As you say, the same carriage was also gathering other information, and, if it was a recon craft, could have transmitted data to China via satellite network. The idea that the balloon was entirely passive is a bit silly and discounts redundancy plans for crashing. But, you know, mock it as a hot air balloon, ENB, after all, you have decades of experience in the field.

  59. Billy Bones   2 years ago

    "This theory also makes little sense. Why would China act with such belligerence while simultaneously trying to sooth relations through the Blinken visit?"

    And what evidence do you possess that China is "trying to soothe relations"? Is that all China is trying to do in Hong Kong? Taiwan? Nepal? Trying to soothe relations?

    The current China regime desires nothing less the world dominance. Everything China does is with this goal in mind. Never hear of the China 100-year plan?

  60. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

    President Joe Biden will give his 2023 State of the Union address on Tuesday night.

    And on Wednesday, the latest job numbers report will be revised from 500,000 to 17.

  61. NOYB2   2 years ago (edited)

    This would be an absolutely bonkers way to spy on the United States—especially since the images it picks up are reportedly no better than those it can obtain through satellites.

    Balloons can detect signals that are orders of magnitude weaker than what a spy satellite can detect. In addition, they can observe for much longer times since they move more slowly. They can spy on cell phone signals, detect nuclear radiation, etc.

    One defense official said, as summarized The Washington Post, that the images a balloon like this could obtain “wouldn’t offer much in the way of surveillance that China couldn’t collect through spy satellites.”

    Well, perhaps the fact that this is in the WaPo and comes from an unnamed Biden admin source tells you that they are lying. Is this the same “defense official” who lied about this happening three times during the Trump administration?

    Some have suggested, alternatively, that it was not meant to be a secret—we were supposed to see it and to feel intimidated.

    “Intimidation” has nothing to do with it. They wanted to see how Biden reacts: was he going to shoot it down right away? Was he going to dither?

    This theory also makes little sense. Why would China act with such belligerence while simultaneously trying to sooth relations through the Blinken visit?

    The Chinese are preparing for an attack on Taiwan. They don’t care about “soothing relations”. They consider Blinken and Biden to be incompetent fools.

    A hot air balloon,

    WTF? How could this possibly be a "hot air balloon"? Do you know anything about the subjects you are reporting on? How scientifically illiterate can you be?

    that China may have little precise directional control over once it’s in the air?

    Again, WTF? How about you find out how much "directional control" people have over these kinds of balloons and report on it? You might be surprised.

    You are effing journalists. Your job is not to regurgitate American Pravda’s propaganda unquestioningly and sow confusion. Your job is not to speculate on scientific and technical issues like a drunk social science major at a frat party. Your job is to research these things, question experts, validate and verify their answers, and then leave your readers more informed.

    1. NOYB2   2 years ago

      Note that this is a win-win situation for China:

      - if Biden shoots it down right away, they learn that Biden is not as much of a fool as they thought; they also get a PR win

      - if Biden doesn't shoot it down right away, they get very useful intelligence that they can't get from satellites

      Biden letting it pass over the entire continental US and then shooting it down is the best outcome for the Chinese: it shows that Biden is the incompetent, indecisive fool they thought he was, they don't have to put up with Blinken, they get a PR win, and they still collect lots and lots of intelligence.

    2. JimboJr   2 years ago

      "You are effing journalists. Your job is not to regurgitate American Pravda’s propaganda unquestioningly and sow confusion"

      And this represents one of the biggest problems we have. They aren't journalists, and they absolutely are state TV, DNC propaganda.

      Their 'research' involves:

      - checking to see what lefty twitter feels about it
      - finding tweets / articles sympathetic to this point
      - seeing how we can make it about Trump bad
      - citing 'anonymous sources' or propaganda papers (Wapo) that are known for using said sources to push propaganda

      They are opinion writers at best, but more likely just standard useful idiot propagandists

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Well, perhaps the fact that this is in the WaPo and comes from an unnamed Biden admin source tells you that they are lying. Is this the same “defense official” who lied about this happening three times during the Trump administration?

      As Greenwald has pointed out, the WaPo is the go-to source for glowies when they have leaks or talking points to distribute. The playbook is more predictable than Green Bay under Lombardi running the toss sweep.

    4. nutso fasst   2 years ago

      The article is a 'hot air balloon' of unsubstantiated claims and personal ignorance. Thanks for putting a pin in it.

  62. mpercy   2 years ago

    Global warming?

    WSJ: "Housing Market Shows Signs of Thawing"

  63. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    The Chinese government denounced the U.S. decision to down the balloon, calling it an “excessive reaction that seriously violates international convention.”

    Umm... kayy?

  64. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Does shooting down this Chink balloon count as another "war" for Biden?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      OK, so you've shown that not only are you stupid, retarded, don't bother to fully read your own links, but you're a racist too.

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

        And he's also a pedophile

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      A turd post = at least one lie.

  65. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

    Chatterton williams' (?) 'somewhat shaken is more likely 'literally shaking' given the following description of tears over a rejection of Diallo's racist viewpoint that he represents as racist. Chatterton williams' need to attempt to give authority to Diallo based on faith 'to my knowledge, the sole practicing Muslim,' while providing no information on such for the rest of the panel is telling. This paywalled piece is as dishonest as most of what appears in the atlantic, as it is more likely that the need to virtue signal drove its writing than any change in viewpoint. In short, he always agreed w/ Diallo, but never openly.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      The fucking kayfabe that these people indulge in sometimes gets to be really aggravating. I can at least respect the open marxists who write for The Nation as not pretending to be anything other than what they are. Supposed center-left assholes like the guys at The Atlantic who are really just far-left in all but name are incredibly aggravating in their disingenuousness.

      1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

        Agreed. If Diallo's 'lived experience' is so earth-shaking, quantify, qualify, and not through 'shaken' and 'tears' -appeals to emotion. His argument is wokism, which places more value on one group than another, in this case the Muslim, African immigrant Frenchwoman versus all other possible French identities. I'm preaching to the choir, but beyond hypocrisy -racist in their focus on 'antiracism,' focused on race alone, the wokists are w/o regard for individual liberties.

  66. Cronut   2 years ago

    "Why would China act with such belligerence while simultaneously trying to sooth relations through the Blinken visit?"

    Same reason they would fly a bunch of jets over Taiwain, or fly a bunch of jets over a US naval vessel. Or why they would keep provoking India along the border. Because China is a belligerent nation.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      People trying to find some sort of complex answer to why this happened are the same types who argued for decades that offloading our economy on China's lower orders and giving them our military tech was necessary to liberalize them. 50 years later, these dingdongs still haven't learned that lesson, and it probably still won't sink in if China actually does decide to let the dog off the chain and invade Taiwan.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      Once again, ENB is either a liar or too dumb to be allowed to discuss foreign policy on national platform.

      1. Utkonos   2 years ago

        Call her dumb one more time and she’ll put you on mute!

    3. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      As Mao said Marxism is always at war

  67. SRG   2 years ago

    Re Biden and competition

    It's possible Biden got the number from this book. (Well, obviously he didn't read it himself, but an advisor could have done.)

    https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674237544

  68. VinniUSMC   2 years ago

    U.S. Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken...

    Is this a real person? Seriously?

    A. Blinken?

    Abe Lincoln? lol

    Also, look how easy it is for the Biden admin to just point in Trump's direction and get his base all riled up.

  69. williams25248   2 years ago

    Whatever this thing is, nothing in Communist China is actually "civilian" and their government cannot be trusted to be truthful about anything. What will be key is to determine what this balloon was carrying, and what it wasn't. If it actually has weather collecting devices, fine. Send it back and warn them not to "lose" another one. If it has surveillance technology or some other non-weather related equipment, then that's a different story.

  70. Utkonos   2 years ago

    “eyelash specialist license"
    Oooh, where can I git me one of them high brow licenses?

  71. RickAbrams   2 years ago

    It is classic strategy to do contradictory and inexplicable things to see how the enemy would react. See how easily they set us to fighting against each other! China Balloon 1, US Public 0

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Veeeely inscrutable.
      😉

    2. Chumby   2 years ago

      So far it has been a goodyear for China blimps.

      1. Utkonos   2 years ago

        Good for the blimps, sure…. But Oh the humanity!!!

  72. n00bdragon   2 years ago

    To paraphrase an expression about Russia: The Chinese are never as smart as they look... or as stupid. It's probably safest to assume that about 50% of the entire scenario can be chalked up to some retarded commie chucklefucks who have no clue what they are doing, but the trouble is figuring out which 50%. Unfortunately, I don't think the US military wants to talk about what found in the debris because why show your cards if you don't have to.

  73. JoyceMorales   2 years ago (edited)

    I am making a good salary from home $6580-$7065/week , which is amazing under a year ago I was jobless in a horrible economy. I thank God every day I was blessed with these instructions and now it’s my duty to pay it forward and share it with Everyone,
    🙂 AND GOOD LUCK. 🙂

    Here is I started.……......>> http://WWW.SALARYBEZ.COM

  74. Chumby   2 years ago

    Mike will later claim that the post above was from Tulpa.

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